Scola thread!

[m33p0]

back on topic: fuck scola and the scola trade.

[Indazone]

The Whott Ownage here is hilarious

[DAF86]

EPIC FAIL

"vos" is used in both Rio de la Plata countries not exclusively in Argentina...

whottt FTW! :toast

Yep, After I realized that, I thought about changing it so that you don't get mad but my PC went off and I needed to go to sleep.

[urunobili]

Yep, After I realized that, I thought about changing it so that you don't get mad but my PC went off and I needed to go to sleep.

No big deal and I know u r a cool poster.

Most Uruguayans (me included) have a complex about our independence and freedom and most of all, our differences with the Argies.

That's why it pisses us off when they tell us we are just one of ARG provinces in the soccer matches against each other :madrun

Language is not one of the main differentiators though... Just like what happens in between the Kiwis and the Aussies :lol

[picnroll]

whottt's arguments have gone like the old SNL Francisco Franco skits. He's gone from seriously dead to critically dead to clinging to death.

[DAF86]

No big deal and I know u r a cool poster.

Most Uruguayans (me included) have a complex about our independence and freedom and most of all, our differences with the Argies.

That's why it pisses us off when they tell us we are just one of ARG provinces in the soccer matches against each other :madrun

Language is not one of the main differentiators though... Just like what happens in between the Kiwis and the Aussies :lol

We should be one country then we'd have 4 world cups (and maybe more) and we'd be closer to those damn Brazilians :lol

How does "Uruntina" sounds?

[ElNono]

No big deal and I know u r a cool poster.

Most Uruguayans (me included) have a complex about our independence and freedom and most of all, our differences with the Argies.

I have family in Colonia, and I know exactly what you mean. It's hilarious when tourists ask "What do you mean Punta del Este is not in Argentina?" :bang

[urunobili]

I have family in Colonia, and I know exactly what you mean. It's hilarious when tourists ask "What do you mean Punta del Este is not in Argentina?" :bang

Oh well... we deal we it pretty well i think... when we get offended by the "provincia del Uruguay" kind of stuff... the harshest of the uruguayans would say "mandarinas mandarinas mandarinaaaass... si es que tienen tanto huevo recuperen las malvinas!!!!" :lol

[whottt]

See what I mean by 'shitting all over yourself'??? You do this a lot. Please make up your mind...[/quote




Been there repeatedly...



My source is actually the government of Argentina itself. Here's the link:
http://www.argentina.gov.ar/argentina/portal/paginas.dhtml?pagina=231

It just corroborates what the Wikipedia article expresses, but it's in spanish. Considering you're just learning spanish, I figured it would be difficult for you to use it as a source.



Really? You keep on pushing your French agenda when showed repeated times to be wrong... just say you were wrong, that somebody pulled a fast one on you and we'll be moving on.



LOL, this coming from the easiest guy to own in these forum. If I had a dime for each time you got owned in these forums, I would be looking at a multi million dollar stash right now.



Sure you do. That's why you keep coming back.



Are you going to argue with the government of Argentina now? I mean, I recall you arguing with the dictionary before. I'm not really surprised.



You asked where the word Argentina comes from. Doesn't get much clear than:
La palabra argentina proviene del latín (argentum, plata).


A. I never presented myself as an expert on word origin of Argentina. At no point have I attempted to do that. Not a single time in this thread. You are attributing this position to me, but it is not my position.

B. I was originally saying, well he might be right...until you expanded upon your own point with the opening statement that French and Spanish are descended from Latin.

Tell me Nono...what is your next big insight, 2+2=4?

Is was at that point I realized I was arguing with an individual that in the past had known very little, say what a 5th grade geography student would know, and considered himself intelligent because of it.

Additionally, I asked a simple question and was not given an answer, in fact, you obviously don't even understand the question, because you keep giving me the same non-answer that proves you either don't understand the question, or don't know it...I'm betting you don't know it, because Wikipedia does not have that answer...

All the while you are telling to just assume the PHD linguistics professer, from Latin America, who gave me this information, is just mysteriously fucking with his entire class for no apprarent reason.


I don't think you understand that when this Professor was discussing the Spanish J in class, he gave a de-facto dissertration that included every visual image of the character and associated sound, going back to the time of the Roman Empire. The entire evolution of Spanish J dating back...I don't know 2000 years? He also explained exactly why it's image and sound changed during that time.

So you go ahead and keep telling yourself how smart you are because you are one of the "elite" that realizes French and Spanish are Latin languages...I'm gonna wait until the question I want answered is answered before making my final judgement.

[whottt]

EPIC FAIL

"vos" is used in both Rio de la Plata countries not exclusively in Argentina...

whottt FTW! :toast

No offense but I was surprised to learn one Spanish country used vos...learning that 2 use it is even more of a surprise. It's the exact opposite of a FTW.


Unlike ElNono...I don't consider it backpedaling to refuse to argue from a postion of ignorance.(which explains a great deal about my previous arguments with him) Nor am I so desperate to prove I know something beyond what a 5th grader knows that I will take credit for knowing things I don't know.

Ignorance isn't a positive to me..it's a negative.


IOW, I didn't know it was used in other Spanish countries, I didn't even know it was used in Argentina until DA told me.

So the win is all yours in this case.

[JudynTX]

Paging Coyote_Geek, Paging Coyote_Geek! :lol

[ElNono]

A. I never presented myself as an expert on word origin of Argentina. At no point have I attempted to do that. Not a single time in this thread. You are attributing this position to me, but it is not my position.

B. I was originally saying, well he might be right...until you expanded upon your own point with the opening statement that French and Spanish are descended from Latin.

Tell me Nono...what is your next big insight, 2+2=4?

Is was at that point I realized I was arguing with an individual that in the past had known very little, say what a 5th grade geography student would know, and considered himself intelligent because of it.

Additionally, I asked a simple question and was not given an answer, in fact, you obviously don't even understand the question, because you keep giving me the same non-answer that proves you either don't understand the question, or don't know it...I'm betting you don't know it, because Wikipedia does not have that answer...

All the while you are telling to just assume the PHD linguistics professer, from Latin America, who gave me this information, is just mysteriously fucking with his entire class for no apprarent reason.


I don't think you understand that when this Professor was discussing the Spanish J in class, he gave a de-facto dissertration that included every visual image of the character and associated sound, going back to the time of the Roman Empire. The entire evolution of Spanish J dating back...I don't know 2000 years? He also explained exactly why it's image and sound changed during that time.

So you go ahead and keep telling yourself how smart you are because you are one of the "elite" that realizes French and Spanish are Latin languages...I'm gonna wait until the question I want answered is answered before making my final judgement.

Are you posting this from a position of ignorance or not? :lmao

Go argue with the government of Argentina... I sure as hell will take their word from where the name of their own country came from instead of you or your imaginary professor.
I told you before I was going to call you out whenever you decide to sprout ignorance out of your mouth. This is just another one of those times.

At the end of the day, people reading this thread did learn a few valuable lessons:
1) If they didn't know already, they now know you're a joke.
2) As a debater, you suck.
3) You already got owned in geography, politics and history. Is math next?

I have to say, playing the ignorant role really suits you well. Plus there's the entertainment value of seeing you backpedal whenever you get called out for something retarded you said.

Now that I'm done owning your ass one more time, feel free to be a pussy (again), and add me to your ignore list.

Adios, amigo!

[smeagol]

EPIC FAIL

"vos" is used in both Rio de la Plata countries not exclusively in Argentina...

whottt FTW! :toast

It's used in other LatAm countries too. Costa Rica comes to mind . . .

[smeagol]

I don't think the word Argentina comes from a French word. I'm almost positive it comes from the word Argentum. I know I read this more than once . . .

[urunobili]

It's used in other LatAm countries too. Costa Rica comes to mind . . .

:lol

Costa Rica? :lmao

You'll need to prove me wrong... but i think JUST ARG and UY use it...

[ElNono]

http://i41.tinypic.com/24oslmt.png

:lol

[smeagol]

:lol

Costa Rica? :lmao

You'll need to prove me wrong... but i think JUST ARG and UY use it...

Don't laugh so much, amigo

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vos

Países con predominancia del voseo

Argentina* (voseo pronominal y verbal, el pronombre tú es inexistente)

Paraguay* (voseo pronominal y verbal, el pronombre tú es inexistente)

Uruguay* (voseo pronominal y verbal, aunque también es común el uso del pronombre tú junto con voseo verbal, e incluso se usa el tú con la conjugación estándar, especialmente en el Este del país, como en San Carlos o Rocha, dónde es de uso exclusivo)

En América Central

Guatemala

Honduras

El Salvador (voseo pronominal y verbal). El tuteo se usa como cortesía o respeto en ciertos registros (por ejemplo, cuando se habla con extranjeros, cuando se habla en público, publicidad, correspondencia, etc. Si la situación es espontánea, se suele cambiar a vos con frecuencia o mezclar tú y vos)
Nicaragua* (voseo pronominal y verbal). El voseo se utiliza de forma común en el trato familiar y publicamente entre personas de la misma edad o entre amigos. Como cortesía o respeto a personas de importancia publica (ejecutivos, empleadores, profesionales), a adultos o personas de mayor edad se utiliza "Usted".

Costa Rica*

* En Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Nicaragua y Costa Rica el voseo es también parte habitual de la lengua estándar escrita.

[urunobili]

Don't laugh so much, amigo

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vos

Países con predominancia del voseo

Argentina* (voseo pronominal y verbal, el pronombre tú es inexistente)

Paraguay* (voseo pronominal y verbal, el pronombre tú es inexistente)

Uruguay* (voseo pronominal y verbal, aunque también es común el uso del pronombre tú junto con voseo verbal, e incluso se usa el tú con la conjugación estándar, especialmente en el Este del país, como en San Carlos o Rocha, dónde es de uso exclusivo)

En América Central

Guatemala

Honduras

El Salvador (voseo pronominal y verbal). El tuteo se usa como cortesía o respeto en ciertos registros (por ejemplo, cuando se habla con extranjeros, cuando se habla en público, publicidad, correspondencia, etc. Si la situación es espontánea, se suele cambiar a vos con frecuencia o mezclar tú y vos)
Nicaragua* (voseo pronominal y verbal). El voseo se utiliza de forma común en el trato familiar y publicamente entre personas de la misma edad o entre amigos. Como cortesía o respeto a personas de importancia publica (ejecutivos, empleadores, profesionales), a adultos o personas de mayor edad se utiliza "Usted".

Costa Rica*

* En Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Nicaragua y Costa Rica el voseo es también parte habitual de la lengua estándar escrita.

as whottt was saying earlier in this thread... Wikipedia doesn't own the only indisputable truth in this planet for EVERYTHING...

I have worked with people from all of those countries for more than 9 months on a cruise line and i have NEVER and i mean NEVER heard them use "vos"...

Paraguay by the other hand... i missed them, my bad... they actually started to use it since the infection of the Argentinean Media (TV shows etc) in the region... :stirpot:

Also... FOXSPORTS using mostly argies for their shows may have started to spread it around in other countries in South America now i bet...

[leo_d]

... I sure as hell will take their word from where the name of their own country came from instead of you or your imaginary professor.

I wouldn`t take the argentinian government word for anything they have to say.

[urunobili]

I wouldn`t take the argentinian government word for anything they have to say.

:tu

[ElNono]

I wouldn`t take the argentinian government word for anything they have to say.

:lol

[kuato]

Originally Posted by leo_d View Post

I wouldn`t take the argentinian government word for anything they have to say. ----> Of course, the argentinian government is the main cause for the International Financial Crisis ... ohhh waith ... :nope , whottt is the Gary Payton of forums !!!

[whottt]

Are you posting this from a position of ignorance or not? :lmao

Go argue with the government of Argentina... I sure as hell will take their word from where the name of their own country came from instead of you or your imaginary professor.
I told you before I was going to call you out whenever you decide to sprout ignorance out of your mouth. This is just another one of those times.

At the end of the day, people reading this thread did learn a few valuable lessons:
1) If they didn't know already, they now know you're a joke.
2) As a debater, you suck.
3) You already got owned in geography, politics and history. Is math next?

I have to say, playing the ignorant role really suits you well. Plus there's the entertainment value of seeing you backpedal whenever you get called out for something retarded you said.

Now that I'm done owning your ass one more time, feel free to be a pussy (again), and add me to your ignore list.

Adios, amigo!


Let's take a look at your great insights and your so called debate ability.

1. Whottt says hey I just learned this. Says what he learned,.
2. You tell whottt he is full of shit.
3. Whottt says why, you post wikipedia articles and state French and Spanish are Latin Languges.
4. You then say my PHD instructor was lying.
5. You then say I am making him up.
6. You do this(as you always do) worrying more about your audience and who agrees with you, than if you are actually right. You seem to be operating under the severe delusion that if people agree with you, you are right.
7. You consider not arguing on a subject you are not knowledgable on to be "backpedaling".


You have childlike cognitive ability and an extremely dull intellect, not to mention a weak character that needs the support of others...and nothing you will ever do in this lifetime will change that. It's not common sense and a simple clarity of understanding as you seem to think it is, it's a limited intellect and you completely incapable of realizing just how limited it is.

And it does not matter how many other dullards you get to agree with you. It's still going to be the truth. If anything that's a confirmation of just how unintelligent you truly are...you'd be one of the people burning witches at the stake or branding round earthers as heretical..



In spite of all this...you very well may be right about the origins(the parts I that contradict my statement even though there weren't many) and it may have nothing to do with a French word or the word Costs, and my instructor very well may be wrong. It's just that the more your open your mouth and utter brilliant statements like, Spanish and French are descended from Latin as if it is something that needs to be said, the more I realize how unlikely it is that you will be the source of some exceptional knowledge on this subject...whereas my instructor...he's got pretty impressive credentials.



And I'm not making him up, and I seriously doubt he's full of shit. You on the other hand, I know will argue from a positon of ignorance(you consider it backpedaling not to do so), and you also think posessing a 5th grade knowledge of a subject qualifies you as an expert. Sorry...it's just the truth I don't have much faith in your intelligence or your insight. No sense lying about it.

[whottt]

I don't think the word Argentina comes from a French word. I'm almost positive it comes from the word Argentum. I know I read this more than once . . .



Even if it comes from Argente, Argente still comes from Argentum.


Look...I took French about 20 years ago but I do not remember virtually any of it...yet I know the French word for silvery is Argente.

Furthermore, at no point in my entire life have I known what Costa meant(although it's kind of obvious now that I know), and now I do.



Forget about all the stuff with the Portugese and Rio de Plata...I am not arguing against that stuff as I already stated I don't remember those details, didn't take notes on them, and in fact I remember him mentioning details of that sort...but that's not what he was explaining.


Tell me this...and granted I do not know shit about Spanish outside of cuss words...but correct me if I am wrong...


Argentina is femenine correct?

The word Argentina came from Argentino(which came from Argente I was told)...

What turned it from masculine to feminine?

River, or Rio is masculine is it not?

Costa is feminine correct?




This is the point I believe he was making when he was explaining(exactly) how it came to be...Costa Argente(or Argentino) became Argentina...

The story about Rio de Plata makes no sense...not that I doubt it was true, because I do remember him mentioning something about that...but it doesn't excplain how or why the name Argentina came into being...

The Spanish and Portugese words for silver or silvery sound nothing like Argentina...and Rio doesn't explain the masculine to femenine change.

I don't know enough about Spanish to even be aware of this shit on my own.


Proof that the wikipedia articles and Argentine government source have holes in them...they keep mentioning the first time the word Argentina was used in in print...

This is well after Argentina was first discovered and colonized by Spain...so obviously there is more to the story and that is not in fact the origin of the word...neither is there being rivers with silver in them.


At least I know I don't have to hear you accusing me of having a French agenda :lmao


Anyway, like I said earlier...when this guy was explaining the spanish J he went through it's entire evolution dating from the Roman Empire. Every symbol it's ever been, every sound it's ever been, and exactly why the symbols and sounds changed...


So you can see why I am leaning towards believing him over El Nono and his, Spanish and French are latin languages insight.

[ElNono]

Let's take a look at your great insights and your so called debate ability.

1. Whottt says hey I just learned this. Says what he learned,.
2. You tell whottt he is full of shit.


Incorrect. I tell whottt he and his professor are full of shit.


3. Whottt says why, you post wikipedia articles and state French and Spanish are Latin Languges.


Incorrect. I did not post ANY Wikipedia articles. I posted where the country Argentina got it's name from.


4. You then say my PHD instructor was lying.


He obviously was considering he doesn't know where the name comes from.



5. You then say I am making him up.
6. You do this(as you always do) worrying more about your audience and who agrees with you, than if you are actually right. You seem to be operating under the severe delusion that if people agree with you, you are right.


Incorrect. I'm operating under the fact that the origin of the name has been thoroughly documented. It certainly follows that when you find multiple sources other posters will bring them up.



7. You consider not arguing on a subject you are not knowledgable on to be "backpedaling".


But you do argue. Why are you still here if you're not?
Contradicting yourself again, aren't you?



You have childlike cognitive ability and an extremely dull intellect, not to mention a weak character that needs the support of others...and nothing you will ever do in this lifetime will change that. It's not common sense and a simple clarity of understanding as you seem to think it is, it's a limited intellect and you completely incapable of realizing just how limited it is.


LOL... Save the cod psychoanalysis for anybody that cares what you think. I thought we established a long time ago that what you think it's mostly worthless and oftentimes wrong.

[removed the personal attacks for irrelevance and brevity]


In spite of all this...you very well may be right about the origins(the parts I that contradict my statement even though there weren't many) and it may have nothing to do with a French word or the word Costs, and my instructor very well may be wrong.

I don't think there's the slightest doubt at this point.

[removed more irrelevant personal attacks]


And I'm not making him up, and I seriously doubt he's full of shit. You on the other hand, I know will argue from a positon of ignorance(you consider it backpedaling not to do so), and you also think posessing a 5th grade knowledge of a subject qualifies you as an expert. Sorry...it's just the truth I don't have much faith in your intelligence or your insight. No sense lying about it.

Please. I've said I've been wrong on many topics before in these very same forums. Backpedaling is arguing a point, only to contradict your own ass 20 posts later. And after presented with that fact, backpedaling again to try to make shit reconcile. You do that a whole lot. That's why you're a weak debater, and very predictable.

Now, tell me how my ass taste...

[ElNono]

Even if it comes from Argente, Argente still comes from Argentum.

...

Tell me this...and granted I do not know shit about Spanish outside of cuss words...but correct me if I am wrong...

Argentina is femenine correct?

The word Argentina came from Argentino(which came from Argente I was told)...

What turned it from masculine to feminine?

River, or Rio is masculine is it not?

Costa is feminine correct?


This is the point I believe he was making when he was explaining(exactly) how it came to be...Costa Argente(or Argentino) became Argentina...

The story about Rio de Plata makes no sense...not that I doubt it was true, because I do remember him mentioning something about that...but it doesn't excplain how or why the name Argentina came into being...

The Spanish and Portugese words for silver or silvery sound nothing like Argentina...and Rio doesn't explain the masculine to femenine change.

I don't know enough about Spanish to even be aware of this shit on my own.


Proof that the wikipedia articles and Argentine government source have holes in them...they keep mentioning the first time the word Argentina was used in in print...

This is well after Argentina was first discovered and colonized by Spain...so obviously there is more to the story and that is not in fact the origin of the word...neither is there being rivers with silver in them.


At least I know I don't have to hear you accusing me of having a French agenda :lmao


Anyway, like I said earlier...when this guy was explaining the spanish J he went through it's entire evolution dating from the Roman Empire. Every symbol it's ever been, every sound it's ever been, and exactly why the symbols and sounds changed...


So you can see why I am leaning towards believing him over El Nono and his, Spanish and French are latin languages insight.

The answer to your question is really simple if you knew Spanish:

La Plata (silver) is feminine. That's what makes it feminine.

[whottt]

La Plata (silver) is feminine. That's what makes it feminine.

No it's not so simple...because the name of the country is not Platina, it's Argentina. Nor have you(nor any article you have posted) explained why they adopted a different version of the word than the one offered by the Spanish or the Portugese languages. And that's what he explained. What every single part of the word Argentina means, how it arrived at that spelling. I've pointed that out several times now and you don't have an answer for that. You know why you don't have an answer? Because wikipedia isn't giving you one.


Still not sold that the brain known as El Nono knows more than the PHD Linguistics Professor. No matter how butthurt you get over it...You know, my lying full of shit PHD tenured Spanish Linguistics Professor, that I made up...



And keep telling yourself you don't care what I think...let's face it, look at your posting history, look at your sig, look at yourself right now. No air enters your lungs unless I fart it into them.

[whottt]

I really wish you were as much of an expert on this as you think you are. I'd have been indebted to you, but what you have given me, is Wikipedia and a rudimentary knowledge that can be gained by googling the word Argentina. That is worthless and I refuse to trust it or your insight. In any case, I will find out beyond all doubt tomorrow. It'd have been nice if you had given me ammo to combat this commie F giving asshole with...but what you have given me, I could have gotten from a 5th grader.

Sorry but I'm not going up against him armed with,"but Wikipedia says" and "Spanish and French are latin languages".

Go fuck yourself for even thinking that was insightful. Brain.

[ElNono]

No it's not so simple...because the name of the country is not Platina, it's Argentina. Nor have you(nor any article you have posted) explained why they adopted a different version of the word than the one offered by the Spanish or the Portugese languages. And that's what he explained. What every single part of the word Argentina means, how it arrived at that spelling. I've pointed that out several times now and you don't have an answer for that. You know why you don't have an answer? Because wikipedia isn't giving you one.


If your professor explained it so well, what's stopping you from posting his explanation and actually verifying it's veracity? I mean, if he explained it so well, it shouldn't be that hard to prove it's accuracy. Obviously, when we hit the French connection, I fully expect an Epic Fail.
And BTW, you keep clinging on Wikipedia, but I actually posted a link to the Argentina's own goverment site explaining the history of the name.
If you are going to argue with that source, I fully expect better than 'I have a hunch my professor knows better' without any substantive evidence to back that up.


Still not sold that the brain known as El Nono knows more than the PHD Linguistics Professor. No matter how butthurt you get over it...You know, my lying full of shit PHD tenured Spanish Linguistics Professor, that I made up...


I don't have to nor pretend to convince you of anything. I just keep entertained by calling you out whenever you screw up, followed by toying with you when you try to defend your indefensible position. Works every time.



And keep telling yourself you don't care what I think...let's face it, look at your posting history, look at your sig, look at yourself right now. No air enters your lungs unless I fart it into them.

Don't flatter yourself. I mean, let's do look at my posting history. I would say less than 5% of my post are anywhere near related to you. The reality is that you're comedic gold. My sig is a prime example of how somebody can be so delusional and completely disconnected from reality. I mean, if you're so really worked up about my sig, I can remove it if you just ask.

[ElNono]

I really wish you were as much of an expert on this as you think you are. I'd have been indebted to you, but what you have given me, is Wikipedia and a rudimentary knowledge that can be gained by googling the word Argentina. That is worthless and I refuse to trust it or your insight. In any case, I will find out beyond all doubt tomorrow. It'd have been nice if you had given me ammo to combat this commie F giving asshole with...but what you have given me, I could have gotten from a 5th grader.

Sorry but I'm not going up against him armed with,"but Wikipedia says" and "Spanish and French are latin languages".

Go fuck yourself for even thinking that was insightful. Brain.

Another problem with you whottt is that you're a cherry picker. Why not print out the article, in Spanish, from the Argentina goverment. I mean, the guy is from Argentina, he won't have a problem reading it.
The thing is, you rather cling to one or two cherries in order to try denigrate me or my posts. The problem with that tactic is the thread is still all there for everyone to see, so its easy to point out the obvious errors or ommisions.
I mean, if these forums would only show the last 10 posts, you might look like a genius. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and you look fairly retarded.

[whottt]

If your professor explained it so well, what's stopping you from posting his explanation and actually verifying it's veracity? I mean, if he explained it so well, it shouldn't be that hard to prove it's accuracy. Obviously, when we hit the French connection, I fully expect an Epic Fail.

Because asshat...I didn't take the fucking notes on that part. I think I mentioned that before I even started arguing with you.

I told you my notes were shitty...all I know is Costa and Argente...I didn't know those fucking words before he explained it.

Have you or have you not seen me mention that I made an F on the test?

Probably because of my notes.

Do I sound like someone who is presenting himself as an expert?

IF you notice...I also mentioned I was taking a Spanish class before I was arguing with you...kinda takes a big shit on that whole I'm making this all up theory of yours doesn't it?





What's got you pissed off is that I refuse to be a stupid as you are and place blind faith in Wikipedia...and assume I know more than a PHD does just because I can google wikipedia or the Argentine goverment site...
and have a 5th grade education.


And seriously...you are the first Argentine I have known that views the Argentine govt as being credible on anything. The very first one.

Whether they are raving socialist or a totalitarian fascist...every Argie I've known on this board thinks the Govt of Argentina is pathetic.





And BTW, you keep clinging on Wikipedia, but I actually posted a link to the Argentina's own goverment site explaining the history of the name.

It has the same logic gap...and it doesn't detail how the name Argentina was derived sufficiently for my purposes. It gives this history with very little etymology...and this isn't a history class, it's a language class. I even said in the original post to DA that I don't remember all the details of the history.


You see it's not that I am saying you are wrong...it' that you are saying he is wrong, and you aren't proving shit.





If you are going to argue with that source, I fully expect better than 'I have a hunch my professor knows better' without any substantive evidence to back that up.

No...if you are going to say I am full of shit, not to mention the PHD...you had better do better than the shit you are providing.







Don't flatter yourself. I mean, let's do look at my posting history. I would say less than 5% of my post are anywhere near related to you. The reality is that you're comedic gold. My sig is a prime example of how somebody can be so delusional and completely disconnected from reality. I mean, if you're so really worked up about my sig, I can remove it if you just ask.

I don't want you to remove it...I'm pissed off all the other guys removed me from theirs. It's the internet equivalent of having my name tatooed on your ass.

Just don't have the audacity to say you don't care what I think when you are carrying a small novella by me in your sig...

You care what I think...you care what everyone thinks.

Beyond that, only a dumbass thinks I go into the political forum for the purpose of intelligent discourse...in fact, only a dumbass expects to find intelligent discourse in the political forum period.

[whottt]

Another problem with you whottt is that you're a cherry picker. Why not print out the article, in Spanish, from the Argentina goverment. I mean, the guy is from Argentina, he won't have a problem reading it.
The thing is, you rather cling to one or two cherries in order to try denigrate me or my posts.

What a gigantic penocha you are...you are the cherry picker, you are also the one that started talking shit. I sat there and said I don't remember the details of the history and you post the history and tell me I'm full of shit. Then you tell me I'm arguing something I've never attempted to argue...you are an idiot.






The problem with that tactic is the thread is still all there for everyone to see,

Like I said....you are incredibly weak minded and in need of support by others.

The reason we do not get along is that I am the exact opposite...if I see everyone agreeing with me, I am not achieving one of my main purposes on this board.

What makes you incomparably stupid is that you seem to think that getting people to agree with you makes you right...furthemore, you are too fucking stupid to notice that I do nearly everything in my power to get people to disaagree with me in the course of an argument. You fail to see this, even though I have told you I do this...even as I was doing it to you.

Why? Because when they agree the moment will be genuine.


IF your judge of how you win an argument is how many people agree with you(and it is, pathetically), then you are always going to feel like you have accomplished something when arguing with me...because

A. I'm not looking to get as many people to agree with me as possible.
B. I have fucking gotten into argument and started shit with nearly every poster on this board, and those I haven't yet...their time is coming.

Rest assured, when anyone agrees with me on anything, it is genuine...and not the pandering of weak asskisser such as yourself.





so its easy to point out the obvious errors or ommisions.
I mean, if these forums would only show the last 10 posts, you might look like a genius. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and you look fairly retarded.

I don't care how I look...if genius was common place, it wouldn't be genius. It's supposed to be solitary voice.

[kuato]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2wgrqyp.jpg

[WalterBenitez]

Even if it comes from Argente, Argente still comes from Argentum.


Look...I took French about 20 years ago but I do not remember virtually any of it...yet I know the French word for silvery is Argente.

Furthermore, at no point in my entire life have I known what Costa meant(although it's kind of obvious now that I know), and now I do.



Forget about all the stuff with the Portugese and Rio de Plata...I am not arguing against that stuff as I already stated I don't remember those details, didn't take notes on them, and in fact I remember him mentioning details of that sort...but that's not what he was explaining.


Tell me this...and granted I do not know shit about Spanish outside of cuss words...but correct me if I am wrong...


Argentina is femenine correct?

The word Argentina came from Argentino(which came from Argente I was told)...

What turned it from masculine to feminine?

River, or Rio is masculine is it not?

Costa is feminine correct?




This is the point I believe he was making when he was explaining(exactly) how it came to be...Costa Argente(or Argentino) became Argentina...

The story about Rio de Plata makes no sense...not that I doubt it was true, because I do remember him mentioning something about that...but it doesn't excplain how or why the name Argentina came into being...

The Spanish and Portugese words for silver or silvery sound nothing like Argentina...and Rio doesn't explain the masculine to femenine change.

I don't know enough about Spanish to even be aware of this shit on my own.


Proof that the wikipedia articles and Argentine government source have holes in them...they keep mentioning the first time the word Argentina was used in in print...

This is well after Argentina was first discovered and colonized by Spain...so obviously there is more to the story and that is not in fact the origin of the word...neither is there being rivers with silver in them.


...

Hey whottt,

I am surprised for your knowledge, as I remember from school you are right :toast
only one minor comment ... we were found and conquered by Spain, there was a complete civilization before europeans came to this land.:rolleyes

After this post I am ready to offer you ("one time offer") ... a lovely peace period if you only post once ...

I love Scola! :D

[WalterBenitez]

No big deal and I know u r a cool poster.

Most Uruguayans (me included) have a complex about our independence and freedom and most of all, our differences with the Argies.

That's why it pisses us off when they tell us we are just one of ARG provinces in the soccer matches against each other :madrun

Language is not one of the main differentiators though... Just like what happens in between the Kiwis and the Aussies :lol

The only thing I envy you (uruguayos) is Punta del Este and Natalia Oreiro :wow

[whottt]

Hey whottt,

I am surprised for your knowledge, as I remember from school you are right :toast
Seriously? That's awesome because I was beginning to think I was schizophrenic. But I'm not certain he's right myself...I'm just less convinced El Nono is.

Plus I kinda have sense you are saying that in the hopes it will shut me up.



only one minor comment ... we were found and conquered by Spain, there was a complete civilization before europeans came to this land.:rolleyes

Agree, and that earlier part of your history I know a little about, although I don't know as much about that particular region as I do others. But I do trash Spain a whole lot at times if it makes you feel any better.




After this post I am ready to offer you ("one time offer") ... a lovely peace period if you only post once ...

No thanks :toast

#1. I was called into this thread.
#2. Even though I give you crap you are generally a nice guy and I don't think you've ever been rude to me unless I was provoking you first. Not that it would bother me if you were, but that's kind of a toothless deal there.

IF you can get El Nono to shut his stupid hole and admit I am simply better than he is PERIOD WITH NO QUALIFIERS OTOH...we'll that I might be interested in.(I still want to be in his sig though).



I love Scola! :D

You really shouldn't.

[leo_d]

----> Of course, the argentinian government is the main cause for the International Financial Crisis ... ohhh waith ... :nope , ...

I don`t see how the lack of responsability to create the international financial crisis gives more credibility to the argentinian government.

[urunobili]

The only thing I envy you (uruguayos) is Punta del Este and Natalia Oreiro :wow

well just FYI... Uruguayan's best kept secret.. they always root for Brazil when they play against you :stirpot:



Not me though... I'm just another Argie homer...

[smeagol]

as whottt was saying earlier in this thread... Wikipedia doesn't own the only indisputable truth in this planet for EVERYTHING...

I have worked with people from all of those countries for more than 9 months on a cruise line and i have NEVER and i mean NEVER heard them use "vos"...

Paraguay by the other hand... i missed them, my bad... they actually started to use it since the infection of the Argentinean Media (TV shows etc) in the region... :stirpot:

Also... FOXSPORTS using mostly argies for their shows may have started to spread it around in other countries in South America now i bet...

You are acting like the Uruguayan whottt (stubborn as hell).,

Have you ever heard a Costa Rican talk? I'm sure you haven't.

Let me give you a hint: I have. They use the "vos" just like you and me. And it is not because of FoxSports.

If you cannot take my word for it, or Wikipidia's word, then take a fucking plane to CR and hear them with your own ears.

[MB20]

well just FYI... Uruguayan's best kept secret.. they always root for Brazil when they play against you :stirpot:


Not nice. Not nice at all...:ihit

:lol

[ElNono]

Because asshat...I didn't take the fucking notes on that part. I think I mentioned that before I even started arguing with you.

I told you my notes were shitty...all I know is Costa and Argente...I didn't know those fucking words before he explained it.

Have you or have you not seen me mention that I made an F on the test?

Probably because of my notes.

Do I sound like someone who is presenting himself as an expert?

IF you notice...I also mentioned I was taking a Spanish class before I was arguing with you...kinda takes a big shit on that whole I'm making this all up theory of yours doesn't it?


So you remember the presentation where he broke down the word every which way, but you don't actually remember anything he said. Convenient. And you're wondering why you got an F ? :lol



What's got you pissed off is that I refuse to be a stupid as you are and place blind faith in Wikipedia...and assume I know more than a PHD does just because I can google wikipedia or the Argentine goverment site...
and have a 5th grade education.

And seriously...you are the first Argentine I have known that views the Argentine govt as being credible on anything. The very first one.

Whether they are raving socialist or a totalitarian fascist...every Argie I've known on this board thinks the Govt of Argentina is pathetic.


I disagree with many things with the Argentina's government, and said so repeatedly. That said, if you're going to pretend to de-authorize a tourism site from said government that has no motive whatsoever to be lying about the origins of a word, you need to provide ANYTHING that counters their argument. You know, some tangible rebuttal or evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, you're just yapping empty words as usual.



It has the same logic gap...and it doesn't detail how the name Argentina was derived sufficiently for my purposes. It gives this history with very little etymology...and this isn't a history class, it's a language class. I even said in the original post to DA that I don't remember all the details of the history.


The only logic gap is that it directly contradicts your account of a French background to the name.



You see it's not that I am saying you are wrong...it' that you are saying he is wrong, and you aren't proving shit.
No...if you are going to say I am full of shit, not to mention the PHD...you had better do better than the shit you are providing.


The burden of presenting evidence is now on your side. I said he was wrong and presented factual accounts demonstrating so. If you're going to argue that, then you need to bring more than your opinion. Something you have not done yet.



I don't want you to remove it...I'm pissed off all the other guys removed me from theirs. It's the internet equivalent of having my name tatooed on your ass.
Just don't have the audacity to say you don't care what I think when you are carrying a small novella by me in your sig...

You care what I think...you care what everyone thinks.


Is that what you call being delusional? A novella? :lmao
My sig concisely expresses what a complete disconnect a person like you has from reality. It's like a prelude to what to expect from a weakling like you. I like it. I'm definitely keeping it until I find anything more entertaining...



Beyond that, only a dumbass thinks I go into the political forum for the purpose of intelligent discourse...in fact, only a dumbass expects to find intelligent discourse in the political forum period.

We all come here for entertainment purposes. This thread is nothing more than pure entertainment. I never stated otherwise, so you can stop pretending I ever did.



IF you can get El Nono to shut his stupid hole and admit I am simply better than he is PERIOD WITH NO QUALIFIERS OTOH...we'll that I might be interested in.(I still want to be in his sig though).


If you want me to shut up, I want you to back up your assertion that Argentina comes from the French argenté. But since you can't, I'm going to have to stick around to keep calling you out for it.

I find it hilarious that you seek other people's help to try to 'shut me up'. Who is the weak minded bitch and in need of support by others?
There you go contradicting yourself again...

[manubili]

Wow. You can argue about anything. For the record: the "Vos" is used in some cities of Colombia too. And "argentina" is not a french barbarism, is a spanish adjective, a synonym of "plateada", meaning silvery.

By the way, Scola had another double double.

[ElNono]

What a gigantic penocha you are...you are the cherry picker, you are also the one that started talking shit. I sat there and said I don't remember the details of the history and you post the history and tell me I'm full of shit. Then you tell me I'm arguing something I've never attempted to argue...you are an idiot.


I'm sorry, but we can go back and verify that the one that got this started was you posting garbage about how Argentina comes from a french word.
You fucked up, and you got called out for it. That's how this works.



Like I said....you are incredibly weak minded and in need of support by others.


Sure I am. This coming from a guy soliciting help from other posters in order to shut me up... We got a winner right here.



The reason we do not get along is that I am the exact opposite...if I see everyone agreeing with me, I am not achieving one of my main purposes on this board.


What's that purpose? That other people tell you that you're better than them? I mean, if that is it, you're failing miserably.

[more irrelevant cheap psychology]


I don't care how I look...if genius was common place, it wouldn't be genius. It's supposed to be solitary voice.

Sure you don't. That's why you still here... :rolleyes

[urunobili]

You are acting like the Uruguayan whottt (stubborn as hell).,

the only thing whottt and I have in common is that we love to argue with Argies...


Have you ever heard a Costa Rican talk? I'm sure you haven't.

Dude.. i have been there (Costa Rica)2 times... have you?


Let me give you a hint: I have. They use the "vos" just like you and me. And it is not because of FoxSports.

Thanks I'll check with some friends still doing the Cruise thing...


If you cannot take my word for it, or Wikipidia's word, then take a fucking plane to CR and hear them with your own ears. :lol check my first answer... your word is enough though... i just can't remember them talking like that... probably i got distracted with their central american accent... so central american saying vos with their accent makes it almost impossible to hear... :downspin:

[AnotherArgie]

Hi whottt,


Argentina is femenine correct?

The word Argentina came from Argentino(which came from Argente I was told)...

What turned it from masculine to feminine?

River, or Rio is masculine is it not?

Costa is feminine correct?


In the first documented use of the word Argentina, in the poetry book La Argentina by del Barco Centenera (full download here: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/25317) I see he refers to both Argentina and Argentino without distinction, but when he talks about Argentina he speaks about a province (Provincia Argentina), while when he says Argentino he refers to its inhabitant.

The feminine looked to be the right choice, considering the official names the country has according to the original Constitution. The first name we can find in the preamble is "Nación Argentina", which even today is correct as an official name. The old official name was "Confederación Argentina", and the modern name is "República Argentina".

Now, as to why they decided to call the country Nación Argentina, I don't know. I find interesting what your professor said, even if I wasn't able to find any documentation talking about it. But it's always nice to have different points of view about history.

[ElNono]

I've met a few Costa Ricans here in the states that use the 'vos'... :stirpot:
The minority really, and they just don't use it anywhere as regularly as the Argies/Uruguay people.

That said, I completely hate how most Costa Rican kids love to replace the r for the l these days... I cringe every time I hear one of them say a word like 'hablal' instead of hablar...

[urunobili]

I've met a few Costa Ricans here in the states that use the 'vos'... :stirpot:
The minority really, and they just don't use it anywhere as regularly as the Argies/Uruguay people.

That said, I completely hate how most Costa Rican kids love to replace the r for the l these days... I cringe every time I hear one of them say a word like 'hablal' instead of hablar...

+1

I think they got that from the Puerto Rican's (Ticos)

I think the rest of the Caribbean/Central American countries have that kind of accent too... :rolleyes

[WalterBenitez]

Seriously? That's awesome because I was beginning to think I was schizophrenic. But I'm not certain he's right myself...I'm just less convinced El Nono is.


Well, well, well ... my only major is in Business Management for being properly diagnosticated you should go with someone close to that field.
:rolleyes

[whottt]

Wow. You can argue about anything. For the record: the "Vos" is used in some cities of Colombia too. And "argentina" is not a french barbarism, is a spanish adjective, a synonym of "plateada", meaning silvery.

By the way, Scola had another double double.

I do not see that definition in any Spanish dictionary...the closest I see is Argentine meaning "looks silvery".

[whottt]

I'm sorry, but we can go back and verify that the one that got this started was you posting garbage about how Argentina comes from a french word.

You can also go back and look and see at no point was I claiming to be an expert opinion on the subject. You can also see you calling me full of shit which often means deliberate deceitful, which would be incorrect in this case.

Furthermore, you can also see you presenting yourself as an expert on the subject and then when given a stage you open with Spanish and French are latin languages. And absolutely no one was impressed other than yourself.



You fucked up, and you got called out for it. That's how this works.

Eh...whatever. I wasn't presenting myself as an expert opinion on the subject. If I was then you'd have a point...but you don't.




Sure I am. This coming from a guy soliciting help from other posters in order to shut me up... We got a winner right here.

You are incomparably stupid if you think that was actually a request for help to shut you up. It was a fucking joke, as it was obviously request that would never be met.







Sure you don't. That's why you still here... :rolleyes

Unlike you...my presence was requested in this thread. Why are you still here?

Realize this...you are El Nono...and no one ever requests your presence in threads. Play to that audience cocksucker.

[ElNono]

I do not see that definition in any Spanish dictionary...the closest I see is Argentine meaning "looks silvery".

Definition (http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?LEMA=argentina&origen=RAE)

Lexicon (http://www.lexsee.net/argenteo)

[whottt]

So you remember the presentation where he broke down the word every which way,

I wrote that part down...as that was the part that was surprising to me. Lo and behold it is surprising to Argentines as well.

I wrote down Costa and Argente = Argentina.




but you don't actually remember anything he said. Convenient. And you're wondering why you got an F ? :lol

Well I was shocked I got an F...first test I failed to pass since I was 17 or so. But I know why...and it had everything to do with the verbs...

Plus the cocksucker wrote the directions on the test in Spanish. He translated them on a previous handout but I never looked at that handout before taking the test.




I disagree with many things with the Argentina's government, and said so repeatedly. That said, if you're going to pretend to de-authorize a tourism site from said government that has no motive whatsoever to be lying about the origins of a word, you need to provide ANYTHING that counters their argument. You know, some tangible rebuttal or evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, you're just yapping empty words as usual.

Dude you are a fucking idiot if you consider a government as a good source for historical accuracy...all history is biased, but goverment history is the most biased of them all...

Idiot.




The only logic gap is that it directly contradicts your account of a French background to the name.

No it really doesn't...since Argente was derived from Argentum....and you are posting summaries.

What it is, what everything you have posted is...is a historical summary at best. Hardly detailed information of the sort you would get from a PHD in linguistics.




The burden of presenting evidence is now on your side. I said he was wrong and presented factual accounts demonstrating so. If you're going to argue that, then you need to bring more than your opinion. Something you have not done yet.


No no no stupid fuck...at no point have I presented myself as an expert or informed source on this subject...in fact I've gone to great lengths to make it clear that I am not...

It is you has made that claim, you did it when you challenged the statement I made in the manner in which you did...wikiboy.

Therefore, I don't have to prove shit..you do. And so far you have posted wiki articles, cited governments as unimpeachable sources of history...and said French and Spanish are descended from Latin. I don't think you know much more about this than I do...difference is you think you know a great deal more. That is the epitome of an idiot.

In short...you are just as I say you are, someone who knows very little and and because of that thinks he knows a great deal...me? In this instance I amn not someone who thinks he knows a great deal...but what I do know, is you are an idiot. On that I have no doubts.


I am off to class now...I'll have the info when I return.

[manubili]

I do not see that definition in any Spanish dictionary...the closest I see is Argentine meaning "looks silvery".

I take a look at the RAE site (Real Academia Española), the mother of all spanish dictionaries:
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=argentina

"Argentina" it's a synonym of "argenteo", which means actually "made of silver"

What is really funny is that a possible correct translation of "Silver Spurs" is ESPUELAS ARGENTINAS !!

You're bound to the argies, Whottt! Face it!

[whottt]

I take a look at the RAE site (Real Academia Española), the mother of all spanish dictionaries:
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=argentina

"Argentina" it's a synonym of "argenteo", which means actually "made of silver"

What is really funny is that a possible correct translation of "Silver Spurs" is ESPUELAS ARGENTINAS !!

You're bound to the argies, Whottt! Face it!

Argenteo? French = Argente? And we get one step closer to the truth. Thank you :tu

Thank you also mother of all spanish dictionaries.


So what made it go from the masculine Argenteo(I think this is hte word I was looking for when I was saying Argentino earlier) to the feminine Argentina?

La Costa? It damn sure wasn't El Rio.

and please don''t say Plata had anything to do with it...that's combining two words that mean silver...that would be stupid and unnecessary, since they already had a word from their own language that meant that. They'd have just used a variation on plata if that's what they wanted.



What's cool is Dario Argento's last name I think means silver in Italian...which is cool.

[manubili]

Argenteo? French = Argente?

I don't know. I do know "argent" in french means money, which in spanish is dinero or plata.

>So what made it go from the masculine Argenteo(I think this is hte word I was looking for when I was saying Argentino earlier) to the feminine Argentina?

I don't know for sure either. I'm just guessing. The spanish found lots of Silver here, that's why the called the river "Rio de la Plata", because that's was where the shipped all the silver to Spain.

>La Costa? It damn sure wasn't El Rio.

Maybe it was the land or the zone, both feminine words in spanish (tierra, zona). But I'm just guessing again.


>and please don''t say Plata had anything to do with it...that's combining two words that mean silver...that would be stupid and unnecessary, since they already had a word from their own language that meant that. They'd have just used a variation on plata if that's what they wanted.

Well, that's what the synonyms are for, isn't it? To call the same thing with another word. Maybe it came from the french, I don't know. But it doesn't make it less spanish. A lots of words in every languaje come from another one.

>What's cool is Dario Argento's last name I think means silver in Italian...which is cool.

Yes it is. Argento rules, and her daughter too.

[whottt]

Yes it is. Argento rules, and her daughter too.

:tu

I gotta give the latins credit...they make by far the best horror movies currently. One of the main reasons I wanted to take Spanish is because I want to be able to watch Guillermo Del Toro's movies without subtitles. Probably need to take Italian at some point also so I can watch Argento's old stuff without the dubbing.

[MmP]

Argentina comes from "Argentum" which is Silver. The Spaniards thought when they first came to Buenos Aires that the country was filled with silver, after search they found no silver at all.

[ElNono]

Argenteo? French = Argente? And we get one step closer to the truth. Thank you :tu


Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you actually took the time to go to the RAE website, it actually says argénteo comes from the Latin word argentĕus.

Definition (http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?LEMA=argénteo&origen=RAE)



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What's cool is Dario Argento's last name I think means silver in Italian...which is cool.

You're welcome. That lexicon is there for you to peruse whenever you have questions.

[ElNono]

I wrote that part down...as that was the part that was surprising to me. Lo and behold it is surprising to Argentines as well.


What's surprising to Argentines is that you lack the balls to man up and admit you were wrong.



Dude you are a fucking idiot if you consider a government as a good source for historical accuracy...all history is biased, but goverment history is the most biased of them all...


Please. We're not talking political history here. Enlighten us how Argentina would have any motive to lie about the origins of the country's name...
Don't be disingenuous. This is not to mention it actually matches perfectly with all the other accounts posted here, which shot your Frenchie theory into thin air.



No it really doesn't...since Argente was derived from Argentum....and you are posting summaries.

What it is, what everything you have posted is...is a historical summary at best. Hardly detailed information of the sort you would get from a PHD in linguistics.


It's the only available historical account of the origins of the country name. Are we to believe your PHD professor lived in the 1500's and has a first hand account of what transpired then, and somehow nobody else found out about it? This is the kind of delusion you're walking on right now.



No no no stupid fuck...at no point have I presented myself as an expert or informed source on this subject...in fact I've gone to great lengths to make it clear that I am not...


But you keep spewing the bullshit like you know what you're talking about. Expect to get called out for it. If you instead would shut your trap, we wouldn't be here in the first place.

[removed more incoherent personal attacks]

[ElNono]

You can also go back and look and see at no point was I claiming to be an expert opinion on the subject. You can also see you calling me full of shit which often means deliberate deceitful, which would be incorrect in this case.


Your lack of claims of expertise sure didn't stop you from posting garbage, nor did it stop you from clinging into said garbage after being called out for it.


Furthermore, you can also see you presenting yourself as an expert on the subject and then when given a stage you open with Spanish and French are latin languages. And absolutely no one was impressed other than yourself.


Quote where I claimed that? I want to see the whole quote claiming to be an expert on the subject. Wait, you can't find it? Shit, I wonder why.



You are incomparably stupid if you think that was actually a request for help to shut you up. It was a fucking joke, as it was obviously request that would never be met.


Sure it wasn't. Nobody here can't read english now. :rolleyes



Unlike you...my presence was requested in this thread. Why are you still here?

Realize this...you are El Nono...and no one ever requests your presence in threads. Play to that audience cocksucker.

LOL, pulling the my opinion is valuable card. Stop overrating yourself.
Unfortunately for you, your account is entirely not true. Your very first post in this thread is this one: here (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2933732&postcount=95)

And surprise, surprise, it's entirely unsolicited. I know what you're thinking, 'damn these internets keeping all my posts'. Or maybe it's that short memory problem hitting you again?. Gotta take your meds!

Plus I already answered the reason I'm here having this conversation with you in this (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3141521&postcount=297) post.

[whottt]

Alrighht I am back...first of all, El Nono...go suck a cock. You are so fucking ignorant and have such poor comprehension it isn't even funny. Seriously, put a gun in your mouth, pull the trigger, and make the world a less stupid place.

Seriously...you are fucking ignorant. I never presented myself as an expert on this subject, by definition the fact that I am taking a Spanish class and discussing how to speak it better when you interjected your dumbass into the conversation, makes it readily apparent. Secondly...I was indeed joking when I made that comment to Walter Benitez...I didn't expect you to shut your stupid fucking hole and admit I am better than you...I wouldn't expect that much of you.

It was a joke..and you are an idiot, at no point was I claiming to be an expert...in fact I was willing to listen to your explanation, and upon hearing you begin I realized the overwhelming stupidity contained in your stupid fucking dome an rejected the idea that you might have exceptional insight...in fact I reject it even more after your last post. And you still have provided none...

[ElNono]

I am off to class now...I'll have the info when I return.


Alrighht I am back...
[removed irrelevant personal attacks]


I gather you have the info now...

PS: Don't edit your posts... let it all out...nobody cares about your personal attacks.

[whottt]

So anyway...

No where were we...oh yeah, I went to class tonight.

I want you pay attention to this El Nono...I know you will think you somehow have something to do with what I am about to do...but trust me you do not, you have an extremely weak character...and it is all yours. And no one can make it stronger, just as no one can make anothers weaker.

And the difference between you and I is that I am not afraid to admit I am wrong...no matter how big of an ignorant dickhead you might(still) be.


Anyway...the word does indeed descend from the Latin word Argentum and not the French version of the word. And I didn't write it down wrong or mishear him the first time either. He made a mistake when he used the French instesd of the Latin...and did the exact same thing tonight at the beginning of the story and it was only when I pressed him for more details that he caught it. He speaks 6 languages...so I guess one would get them confused at some point.

And BTW it also does indeed become feminine from the word Costa, and I pressed him on this...and it's because that river does run along the coast. Kill me for not having the exact details because this was after class and he was explaining it as we were walking to the cars. But I think he mentioned that could see the river running alonside the coast when you are viewing it from the sea.


He said some shit about Uraguay too as he was describing just where it ran, (he was pretty much talking to himself at this point) but I don't remember what it was.

And there is your story...

[whottt]

I gather you have the info now...

PS: Don't edit your posts... let it all out...nobody cares about your personal attacks.

Idiot...I edited it to put more personal attacks into it. The part about the gun and pulling the trigger wasn't in the first draft.

[ElNono]

So anyway...

...

Anyway...the word does indeed descend from the Latin word Argentum and not the French version of the word. And I didn't write it down wrong or mishear him the first time either. He made a mistake when he used the French instesd of the Latin...and did the exact same thing tonight at the beginning of the story and it was only when I pressed him for more details that he caught it. He speaks 6 languages...so I guess one would get them confused at some point.

...

And there is your story...

I'll just say thank you for being the clown you are. I think the rest of the thread speaks for itself.
I'll be seeing you the next time you fuck up. :toast

[whottt]

I'll just say thank you for being the clown you are


I think the rest of the thread speaks for itself.

Whatever...I never said I was an expert. You just proved you can be partially righht while still proving you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were originally....I didn't think it possible.



I'll be seeing you the next time you fuck up. :toast

Hey...everyone's got to have a reason to live. I bet you'll be seeing me sooner than that.

Fuckface.

[ElNono]

Whatever...I never said I was an expert. You just proved you can be partially righht while still proving you are a bigger idiot than I thought you were originally....I didn't think it possible.

Hey...everyone's got to have a reason to live. I bet you'll be seeing me sooner than that.

Fuckface.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/lake_nobody_cares.jpg

[whottt]

See how easy that was?

[ElNono]

See how easy that was?

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/qYEHdX4X3f8k6ar6IjbnUKlco1_500.jpg

[whottt]

You aren't doing a very good job of proving that...by continuing to post, pictures and otherwise...Prove you don't...and shut up, dickface.

[ElNono]

You aren't doing a very good job of proving that...by continuing to post, pictures and otherwise...Prove you don't...and shut up, dickface.

:blah :blah :blah
You must be bitter Wikipedia got it right this time and you didn't. :lmao
And I already proved my point, so I'll keep posting whatever I want whenever I want. What you gonna do about that Internet tough guy?

[whottt]

:blah :blah :blah
You must be bitter Wikipedia got it right this time and you didn't.

Dude, I don't think I am an expert on anything to do with the Spanish Language, in fact I have said it dozens of times...you seem to think you have accomplished something great. And you certainly seem proud of yourself. I've been taking Spanish for 6 weeks more or less and haven't exactly been a good student up to this point. I never presented myself as an expert on the subject.





:lmao
And I already proved my point, so I'll keep posting whatever I want whenever I want.

You'll post whenever I want you too...you can't help it in fact.

Just like I brought you into this when I called you El Culo Grande....it was only a matter of time before you responded.

Because you care so little...


Fuck face.

Cue El Nono response:

[whottt]

:lmao at wottt getting owned by Argies again.
Looks like it never ends.


La Profesora...I already posted the stats that show Scola, Scola alone of every starter on the Rockets, is the only with a negative Roland rating.

Not TMac, not Battier, not Yao, not Artest...just Scola.

That's basically an impossible achievement...he plays most of his minutes with players that have a positive Roland rating yet he has a negative one...

And what that means is, they do a better job of outscoring their opponents when he is off the court, than they do when he is on it. Inspite of the fact that he is almost always surrounded by the best players on the team in Roland rating.

That is a complete and total confirmation of the main criticism I have made of Scola...that he doesn't improve his team. That he doesn't do shit in fact. And is therefore not worth all the bitching la murjeres have done about him.

And there is not a shred of evidence you can show me that the Rockets are a better team since he started playing for them.

But I can show you evidence they are worse...and I can show you evidence they are a better team without him.





Bonner OTOH actually has a positive one...the Spurs are better with him on the court than they are with him off it.



As for the shit about the name Argentina...I'll say it for the one millionth time, I am not an expert on things Argentine, nor have I ever claimed to be.


Here's what I know about Argentina...they don't pay their bills. They produce an inordinate amount of homer assholes. These are the things I would say I know with all certainty...and I'd be 100% right on both of those statements, everything else would be the opinion of a neophyte on things Argentine.


So chupa mi culo pendejo.

[urunobili]

La Profesora...

So chupa mi culo pendejo.

:lmao

[whottt]

I dont need to look up at no numbers here,eventhough numbers show a part of the game,it doesnt show the intangibles and BBIQ.(which is important when you play for the Spurs).
Me,as a BB fan and ex-BB player, when I look at Bonner's style of play and his robotic moves(eventhough He's been pretty good with his 3 pt shot)and them I watch Scola´s moves in the low post,his rebounding, mid-range jumper and all the little things that don´t show on the stat sheet that brings Scola to the table(read:really High BBIQ and understandment of the game) makes me think that we actually could've been in a diferent possition to mutchup better with the Lakers.
Scola can Guard guys like Odom or Dirk(it's been proven already) unfortunelly Bonner,not Fabs or KT can do it like He does.
Too bad He got traded to the rockets for a bag of peanuts(V-Spam)
Bottomline Scola is a way better overall player tham Bonner is,and Yes, the spurs could've done more with him tham what they get from Bonner,Period.


so stats aren't important? Fine,..then shut the fuck about them. They either matter or they don't...you can't just ignore the ones you don't like and post the ones you do, and saying you are proving something. At least have the balls to show up when Bonner hands Scola his ass....like he did earlier this season.


Scola starts on a not very good team, so I don't know why you idiots get amazed whenever he has decent numbers in a game. It's like because he doesn't completely suck statistically you guys think he's Wilt Chamberlain or something. And bitch accordingly.


You guys need to understand...Scola is the one who got the worst end of this trade. Ask him how the Spurs and Bonner's ass tastes...since he's done nothing but look up at it in the standings since the day he entered the leage.

[Ariel]

I dont need to look up at no numbers here,eventhough numbers show a part of the game,it doesnt show the intangibles and BBIQ.(which is important when you play for the Spurs).
Me,as a BB fan and ex-BB player, when I look at Bonner's style of play and his robotic moves(eventhough He's been pretty good with his 3 pt shot)and them I watch Scola´s moves in the low post,his rebounding, mid-range jumper and all the little things that don´t show on the stat sheet that brings Scola to the table(read:really High BBIQ and understandment of the game) makes me think that we actually could've been in a diferent possition to mutchup better with the Lakers.
Scola can Guard guys like Odom or Dirk(it's been proven already) unfortunelly Bonner,not Fabs or KT can do it like He does.
Too bad He got traded to the rockets for a bag of peanuts(V-Spam)
Bottomline Scola is a way better overall player tham Bonner is,and Yes, the spurs could've done more with him tham what they get from Bonner,Period.

that sounded kind of gay in Spanish.You should go and ask your Spanish teacher a better way to make a comeback in Spanish.
Till them: you kiss my ass, fag.
Hmmmm... You remind me a lot of a certain someone who used to post here...

[whottt]

What's the matter? Why change names? You realize what a disgrace your previous name was and are now ashamed to use it?

[whottt]

ok them, Here are the numbers for you.
L.S 12.4 ppg 8.3 rpg .526 Fg% .750 FT% in 29 mpg
M.B 8.7 ppg 5.0 rpg .521 Fg% .714 FT% in 21 mpg

Right...so basically they are the exact same player except Bonner is shooting over 52% while also taking 170 3 point shots. And Scola gets more minutes.

Since Scola, by your own admission, plays on a shittier team, it stands to reason that Bonner would get more minutes on the Rockets while Scola would get less on the Spurs.

So basically...that means the difference between them is that Bonner has taken 150 more 3 point shots than Scola, and is still shooting basically the same PCT.




Nobody said he was the second coming team Duncan.
But He's better tham Bonner for sure,and many more PFs in the league.

I don't really think so....most players would have a positive Roland Rating starting alongside TMac Yao and Artest on the same team.




Not really,Spurs fans and the Spurs organization got the worst part.
Just look around,there's no Scola and No V-Spam.

And the Spurs have 4 titles and a shot at another one. While Scola has shit but chemistry problems...and a feverent hope that Yao doesn't go down to injury.



I wonder how good the rockets could be if their starting PF was Matt Bonner. Just wondering though.

Well since they are basically the same after adding Scola that they were before adding him...probably about the same. Except Bonner would probably get more minutes for them than he does for the Spurs...because as you just said, the Spurs are a much better team. So his numbers would probably be better on the Rockets but his team would be shittier, just as it is now, and Scola would play for the better team if he played for the Spurs, just as it is now, and his numbers would be shittier.

IOW...neither one of them are worth this much debate, and I am going to debate that until you guys realize it and become real NBA basketball fans.

[whottt]

BTW, the question you need to be asking yourself...if Scola's team is such a shitty team and he is so important to it...then why doesn't he get more minutes?

Because 29 minutes per game is not starters minutes in this league.

Food for thought.

[DAF86]

BTW, the question you need to be asking yourself...if Scola's team is such a shitty team and he is so important to it...then why doesn't he get more minutes?

Because 29 minutes per game is not starters minutes in this league.

Food for thought.

The Rockets aren't a shitty team IMO.

[Spursmania]

Scola who? You mean the guy that plays on a worthless team that will never win a championship? Let's talk about real contenders for the Larry not pretenders.

[diego]

Here's what I know about Argentina...they don't pay their bills. They produce an inordinate amount of homer assholes. These are the things I would say I know with all certainty...and I'd be 100% right on both of those statements, everything else would be the opinion of a neophyte on things Argentine.




you know i dislike the block mentality and scola obsession as much as anyone else... but why do you have to throw shit like this out there, other than to provoke people?

i could easily make "100% certain" generalizations about americans, but i wont fall into your stupid game. its shit like this that makes me really dislike your shtick

[ElNono]

Yes Professor, somebody got owned and is real pissy... :lmao
I don't know what's funnier, that he thinks he knows what he's talking about, or that he thinks he knows what's on other people's minds. :lol

This guy is pure comedy.

[Tmac&Luther]

BTW, the question you need to be asking yourself...if Scola's team is such a shitty team and he is so important to it...then why doesn't he get more minutes?

Because 29 minutes per game is not starters minutes in this league.

Food for thought.

It's called depth dumbass....Carl Landry could start on plenty of teams in this league and he needs his minutes too. Landry and Scola compliment eachother so well, why the hell screw with a good thing? It's like having a excellent 2 back system in the NFL. Scola and Landry are our smash and dash. Plus on top of that, it's only Scola's second season......I wonder how many minutes Ginobili was averaging in his second season?

I love how you try to come up with these bullshit excuses to devalue Scola, because he isn't on your team, knowing damn well that if he was on your team you'd be one of his biggest fans.

But this is also the same dumbass who sad he'd rather have Mahinimi over Scola :rollin:lmao:lol

[ChumpDumper]

I wonder how many minutes Ginobili was averaging in his second season?Manu wasn't a starter for much of his second season.

But why wonder? The numbers are out there.

[Tmac&Luther]

Manu wasn't a starter for much of his second season.

But why wonder? The numbers are out there.

Because I'm trying to prove a point to Mr. Dumbass.

and Okay screw the 2nd season.....how about his third season (a extra year into his development than Scola is right now) where he started every game....."I wonder how many minutes he averaged"...hmm.

[ChumpDumper]

The monitoring of Manu's minutes is the subject of much discussion here. I personally have been in favor of it.

[Tmac&Luther]

The monitoring of Manu's minutes is the subject of much discussion here. I personally have been in favor of it.

That's fine and dandy, but the quote was...


BTW, the question you need to be asking yourself...if Scola's team is such a shitty team and he is so important to it...then why doesn't he get more minutes?

Because 29 minutes per game is not starters minutes in this league.

Food for thought.


So when Ginobili in his third season where he played 74 games and STARTED 74, if he only averages 29 minutes it's Pop just monitoring Manu's minutes, but if it's Scola where he shares the position with another very talented player.....it just means Scola "isn't a starter in this league".

Please explain this to me Whottt. (AKA Dumbass, who's too prideful he can't admit when he's wrong.)

[ChumpDumper]

Manu's minutes are pretty closely monitored. That was the whole point. Now if Scola's are being monitored too, that's cool. I don't follow the Rockets that closely.

[Tmac&Luther]

Manu's minutes are pretty closely monitored. That was the whole point. Now if Scola's are being monitored too, that's cool. I don't follow the Rockets that closely.

There isn't a player in this league that doesn't have his minutes "monitored" So that really isnt a real excuse....and I'm not talking about Ginobili now, I'm talking about his third year in the league where he was the obvious starter.

[ChumpDumper]

Manu's minutes have always been monitored more than the average NBA player from the first season on. If Scola's minutes are monitored as closely out of fear of injury, I haven't heard of it, but I'm sure it's possible.

[Tmac&Luther]

Manu's minutes have always been monitored more than the average NBA player from the first season on. If Scola's minutes are monitored as closely out of fear of injury, I haven't heard of it, but I'm sure it's possible.

It's not even just about monitoring minutes.....it's also about being a post player in the NBA, that's another thing "Mr. Dumbass" doesn't even realize. Most of the time when post players first come into the league (especially a player who grew up playing by completely different rules), they are prone to foul trouble...another thing that has limited Scola's minutes. Yao another post player from international play, guess what he averaged his first year as a full time starter?

[ChumpDumper]

So the comparison to Manu is invalid on two counts.

OK.

Personally I think Scola is a fine player. The big mistake the Spurs made was signing Jackie Butler to a multiyear deal. I simply see no reason to continue dwelling on it.

[ChumpDumper]

Having him on the roster was fine.

Playing him as much as they did instead of Bonner was the mistake.

[ChumpDumper]

Nope. It wold have been Butler and Bonner in that case. Maybe Butler and some minimum salary dude.

[whottt]

Yes Professor, somebody got owned and is real pissy... :lmao
I don't know what's funnier, that he thinks he knows what he's talking about, or that he thinks he knows what's on other people's minds. :lol

This guy is pure comedy.

About time bitch...in the future when I tell you to post I expect you to do it sooner...like a good puto.

BTW, I say this with all sincerity, it's wonderful that you have finally found a kindred spirit in La Profesora...but just so you know, he's twice been banned from this board and is generally the most despised poster on the forum...including by other Argentines.

Now you think about the fact that not only have I not ever been banned, but in fact was a mod here...and maybe that'll give you some idea of just how big of an asshole you find yourself commiserating with. I personally am not surprised...

I tell you this only because I know you are a huge pandering asskisser and don't want to rub the wrong people the wrong way.

[ChumpDumper]

Pop was already done with Butler a long time ago.He was still on the team.

If they didn't use Scola like they did,they would've used Barry to get out of his bad contract and big ass.The Spurs would have had to take back salary for Barry.

The fuckup was to think Horry was gonna still bring it at 37.that was the fuckup.Nope. It was paying Butler.

[ducks]

Lock

[Hemotivo]

Lock

what?

[kuato]

This is the best Scola thread in all the world. :whine

[whottt]

Why do you say that squato?

[ChumpDumper]

... and Horry, he was a non factor last year.
Shit,He got paid for working only a couple of months, and that's throw money away.That was a multiyear deal. First one was definitely worth it. Neither of Butler's were.

[Tmac&Luther]

Why do you say that squato?

Why won't you answer my question about starter's minutes? You're just a fraud...save your rep and just admit you were wrong man.

[ElNono]

About time bitch...in the future when I tell you to post I expect you to do it sooner...like a good puto.


What you gonna do if I don't, putita? You gonna pour some more sand in your vagina? I know you're desperate for my verga, but you gotta wait just like everybody else.


BTW, I say this with all sincerity, it's wonderful that you have finally found a kindred spirit in La Profesora...but just so you know, he's twice been banned from this board and is generally the most despised poster on the forum...including by other Argentines.


Who I talk to is none of your business. If you don't like it, why don't you stop me? Oh, wait, you can't do shit about it. :lmao



Now you think about the fact that not only have I not ever been banned, but in fact was a mod here...and maybe that'll give you some idea of just how big of an asshole you find yourself commiserating with. I personally am not surprised...

I tell you this only because I know you are a huge pandering asskisser and don't want to rub the wrong people the wrong way.

You didn't mind when I rubbed my poronga all over your chin. Plus, I don't take advise from sore ass losers like you, so save it. Anyways, I was talking to another poster when you interrupted. Listen, I know you just can't stop thinking about me, but I gotta move on until I decide to bitchslap you again.
Nothing pesonal, you just entertainmed me for a while and now I'll take a break until I decide to toy with your fragile mind again. I'll let you know when that is.

[whottt]

Why won't you answer my question about starter's minutes? You're just a fraud...save your rep and just admit you were wrong man.

Because it's such a stupid question. It's like you've never seen Manu play before or something.


Manu plays limited minutes because he plays an aggressive almost wreckless extremely physical style of basketball in which he expends tons of energy, draws tons of contact when taking it to the hoop, and is frequently a defensive focus for both the interior and perimeter defenders. A style that is breaking his body down and often leaves him worn down or injured on a semi-frequent basis.

Pop limits his minutes in an attempt to keep him healthy and extend his career as long as possible.


Scola OTOH is not a defensive focus, does not play an overly physical style and is not the recipient of frequent beatings from the opposing defense due to being a focal point. On the contrary, he capitalizes on the beatings the actual stars on that team get.


I can't believe you needed that explained to you.



PS Bonner's minutes aren't limited to preserve his career either. It's just that, like Scola, and unlike Manu, he's a limited player who the team is better off with on the bench at times.

[whottt]

What you gonna do if I don't, putita? You gonna pour some more sand in your vagina? I know you're desperate for my verga, but you gotta wait just like everybody else.



Who I talk to is none of your business. If you don't like it, why don't you stop me? Oh, wait, you can't do shit about it. :lmao



You didn't mind when I rubbed my poronga all over your chin. Plus, I don't take advise from sore ass losers like you, so save it. Anyways, I was talking to another poster when you interrupted. Listen, I know you just can't stop thinking about me, but I gotta move on until I decide to bitchslap you again.
Nothing pesonal, you just entertainmed me for a while and now I'll take a break until I decide to toy with your fragile mind again. I'll let you know when that is.



You aren't going anywhere...you're going to stay here and keep right on replying like I tell you...because you can't stop.

Who do you think you are fooling?


Assface.

[El Jefe Americano]

What you gonna do if I don't, putita? You gonna pour some more sand in your vagina? I know you're desperate for my verga, but you gotta wait just like everybody else.



Who I talk to is none of your business. If you don't like it, why don't you stop me? Oh, wait, you can't do shit about it. :lmao



You didn't mind when I rubbed my poronga all over your chin. Plus, I don't take advise from sore ass losers like you, so save it. Anyways, I was talking to another poster when you interrupted. Listen, I know you just can't stop thinking about me, but I gotta move on until I decide to bitchslap you again.
Nothing pesonal, you just entertainmed me for a while and now I'll take a break until I decide to toy with your fragile mind again. I'll let you know when that is.


Tu es joto?

[Tmac&Luther]

Because it's such a stupid question. It's like you've never seen Manu play before or something.


Manu plays limited minutes because he plays an aggressive almost wreckless extremely physical style of basketball in which he expends tons of energy, draws tons of contact when taking it to the hoop, and is frequently a defensive focus for both the interior and perimeter defenders. A style that is breaking his body down and often leaves him worn down or injured on a semi-frequent basis.

Pop limits his minutes in an attempt to keep him healthy and extend his career as long as possible.


Scola OTOH is not a defensive focus, does not play an overly physical style and is not the recipient of frequent beatings from the opposing defense due to being a focal point. On the contrary, he capitalizes on the beatings the actual stars on that team get.


I can't believe you needed that explained to you.



PS Bonner's minutes aren't limited to preserve his career either. It's just that, like Scola, and unlike Manu, he's a limited player who the team is better off with on the bench at times.

Umm nice try "Dumbass", but I gave you more than one example of players who averaged only 29 minutes during their first full season of starting"...also multiple reasons why Scola isn't logging 30+ minutes as a starter this year, (which you obviously didn't WANT TO address because it destroyed your argument). Seriously you might as well just change your name to "cop out", because that's exactly what you're doing....just toting the company line huh.

Also to say Scola doesn't play a physical/wreckless style of basketball is like saying "I'm stupid and haven't watched this guy play at all the year". The only way Scola knows how to play is balls to the wall. His nickname isn't passion assassin for nothing.

Like I said above, your embarrassment could end if you simply admitted you had no fucking clue of what you were talking about and you were wrong....I mean you didn't even address the fact that you said you would rather have Mahinmi over Scola :rollin Explain that one Mr. Dumbass.

Your whole post above was a stolen post from a fellow poster and nothing else...sad really.

Oh yeah

P.S.

For the love of god, stop comparing Bonner to Scola, because just like another one of your fellow posters brought up......that's bullcrap. Bonner is nothing, but a 3pt shooter and that's pretty much it. Scola kills in the paint and rebounds like his hair is on fire. Whether your pride would allow you to admit it or not....Scola by a mile > than Bonner. Scola is simply a much complete player and stop pulling up season #s when Scola had to play with the ball stopping Tmac. Since Tmac has been out Scola is averaging like 14 and 12...Bonner doesn't touch that...He'll never touch that.

[E20]

Dang, Scola is averaging 12 and 8. Nice...........

[whottt]

Um...yeah I already told you that discussing the Rockets is like analyzing a turd I just shit. It's not that you are making compelling arguments, they wouldn't be compelling even if I was interested in discussing the Rockets. Talk to me after they get out of the first round...

Basically everything that needs to be said about you, and what you know about basketball, was said when you chose TMac as your username. Ugh...

It's like concentrated dumbass. Why don't you befriend ElNono and get him to post on Rockets boards with you?

[Tmac&Luther]

Um...yeah I already told you that discussing the Rockets is like analyzing a turd I just shit. It's not that you are making compelling arguments, they wouldn't be compelling even if I was interested in discussing the Rockets. Talk to me after they get out of the first round...

Basically everything that needs to be said about you, and what you know about basketball, was said when you chose TMac as your username. Ugh...

It's like concentrated dumbass. Why don't you befriend ElNono and get him to post on Rockets boards with you?


For the impaired........yada yada yada "I was wrong, but don't want to admit it" yada yada yada...I said mahimmi would be much better, yada yada yada...clearly I have no idea of what the hell I'm talking about....yada yada yada, I hated Bonner a year ago until he started draining threes and thought he would bail me out of this crap I got myself into with bashing Scola, but crap nobody is buying it....shit god WHY!, WHY!.yada yada yada.

I thing that's pretty clear.

It's just 3 easy words

I....WAS....WRONG.

[whottt]

Ugh...it's like turd Kryptonite. Just sucks the life out of you with the stench and all encompassing aura of shittynesss.

[whottt]

Seriously...instead of Gitmo we should have terorrists be forced to talk Rockets basketball with TMac and Luther. Would probably be a pretty high suicide rate among them, but at the same time we'd probably get a lot of confessions too.

You know seeing TMac's enthusiasm for discussing the Rockets teaches me a lesson...it lets me know that no matter incredibly shitty and uninteresting you think something is...there is always someone excited and enthusiastic about it. No matter how shitty, tedious and uninteresting it may be.

Life is pretty amazing when you think about it.

[smeagol]

I like Scola because he is from my home country.

I also like whottt (and I don't mean that in a gay way) and I don't know why . . .

[Indazone]

14 pts and 9 rebounds tonight. Ya he sucks.

[manubili]

I like Scola because he is from my home country.

I also like whottt (and I don't mean that in a gay way) and I don't know why . . .

:lol
Pretty much the same here.

[temujin]

14 pts and 9 rebounds tonight. Ya he sucks.

-It's historically known that Celveland is weak on February Thursday nights.
-He scored all his points in garbage time.
-He missed a layup in warmups.
-Cleveland is focusing on the SA game, for whatever reason.
-He missed two FTs.
-Pavlovic didn't play.
-Cleveland' flight was late.

One of the above -or ALL of them- soon to come........

[whottt]

Bonner had 15 and 9 in the last Spurs Game. Without Tim Duncan and Manu even!

Incredible...that two guys of this caliber, capable of putting up these kinds of wholly unmatchable numbers, are playing in the NBA at the same time.

This is truly the Golden Age of the NBA, and we are truly blessed to be witnessing it.

Somwhere, Wilt is smiling.

It is truly fucking amazing. 14 and 9...Holeeeeeee Shit.

Will anyone else ever again attain both those numbers in the same game?

I'm thinking no.

Then again, you never know when Scola is on the floor...might see a 20-10 or something truly special like that.

Be sure to save that boxscore...it'll be a collectors item someday.

[whottt]

I was trying to think of the list of players capable of having a 14 and 9 game...not just currently in the league, but in all of NBA history.

You guys got any suggestions on any others players capaple of those numbers?

I think I saw Rafe LaFrentz come close to it once.

I think Eric Dampier has approached it a time or two.

Maybe um...some guy like Za Za Pachulia.

If Kwame hadn't been cursed with those damn injuries he might have pulled it off....he'd have definitely raised the bar.

Nazr Mohammed has flirted with the coveted 14 and 9 game which automatically precludes a player from sucking for life.

It's just damn hard trying to think of guys that could put up a 14 and 9...

I mean we are talking the elite of the elite here.

[whottt]

Holy shit..check this fucking out...

I think I might have found someone in Scola's league:

In the 99-00 season second year player Raef LaFrentz put up an astounding 12.4 points and 7.9 rebounds a game...he also blocked over 2 shots a game but that's another story.

And he was only 23 years old....


A pity the tragic final years of his career. I personally think he could have been one of the all time greats...if only...

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/raef_lafrentz/career_stats.html

And just to prove it was no fluke...Raef put those numbers on a poor team that I think had just about the worst record in the league.


Just imagine if he'd had 15-16 other All Stars surrounding him...I'm thinkin' he wins at least 7-8 titles in a row.

[diego]

Here's what I know about Argentina...they don't pay their bills. They produce an inordinate amount of homer assholes. These are the things I would say I know with all certainty...and I'd be 100% right on both of those statements, everything else would be the opinion of a neophyte on things Argentine.



Still no answer whottt. you have time to piss on scola but you wont stand by your 100% right statements. since you havent apologized for the clear provocation I have no choice but to moderate for you.

You are 100% wrong on your statements. you say "here's what I know about Argentina" . In this sentence you are referring to a country or government.

Then you say "they don't pay their bills" Are you referring to they the argentine people, or the government of Argentina, which took the decision to stop paying the external debt? there was no referendum, it was a unilateral decision. It was popular, but not enough for you to qualify all argentines as people who dont pay their bills. if you want to go by that fallacy and equate govt to people, then i can say that Americans are torturers. of course, I'd be lying just like you are.

as for the other 100% certain statement, it doesnt require even rudimentary analysis because it is clearly opinion. but just to indulge you, I'm quite sure that kobe/laker fans are proportionally a larger part of the American fan base than basketball fans are proportionally a (minuscule) part of the Argentine fan base. therefore, there are more homer assholes from America than there are from Argentina (and I'm not even counting the homer asshole mav fans, or the homer asshole spurs fans, to whom you can call yourself a proud member)

and since we're talking about the rockets, how come barry didnt put them over the top this year? just imagine if we had barry instead of finley eh? looks like I should drop the spurs and leave you at homer asshole instead, a spurs fan would be about the team and not the guy he identifies himself with (old, unathletic, washed up, pot smoking whiteboy- though at least barry was funny)

[diego]

and yes that was uncalled for, but so was your BS. I gave you a chance to recant.

[Rogue]

:lmao

You just reminded me a certain someone....
your name fits you well.

[urunobili]

this thing I've got hanging here will fit you well too.

ArgSpursFan II... the return of the Messiah :lol

[urunobili]

I didn't know you had Wottt on your friend's list.
That sais alot.

I hope you stick around long enough to understand why...

dude whottt is one of the funniest posters on this board.... and he probably has more fun than the 80% of the users on this board... :lol I hope that rings a bell for you to understand what he is doing on this thread :lol

[urunobili]

yeah,He's funny as hell. Please I don't wanna know about the no-cool/annoying poster though.
I mean.... IF this guy is on the funny poster´s side.....

well think about a Gremlin having fun spreading chaos... that is what whottt is all about... his favorite meal... Argentine beef! :lmao

[Indazone]

Tell you what Whott. Since you are so adamant about the Scola suckitude, why don't you pull a Barkley and tell me that you'll kiss my @$$ if Scola ever pulls down 20 pts and 10 rebounds in a game.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj137/Spurspics/ScreenHunter_02-Feb-27-09.jpg

It's only a matter of time:nope

[Hemotivo]

I was trying to think of the list of players capable of having a 14 and 9 game...not just currently in the league, but in all of NBA history.

You guys got any suggestions on any others players capaple of those numbers?

I think I saw Rafe LaFrentz come close to it once.

I think Eric Dampier has approached it a time or two.

Maybe um...some guy like Za Za Pachulia.

If Kwame hadn't been cursed with those damn injuries he might have pulled it off....he'd have definitely raised the bar.

Nazr Mohammed has flirted with the coveted 14 and 9 game which automatically precludes a player from sucking for life.

It's just damn hard trying to think of guys that could put up a 14 and 9...

I mean we are talking the elite of the elite here.

better numbers than David Robinson in 2002/2003

[Indazone]

Scola would be on my fantasy team just for his rebounding alone. But his scoring and free throws make him automatic.

[WalterBenitez]

I like Scola because he is from my home country.

I also like whottt (and I don't mean that in a gay way) and I don't know why . . .

:wakeup interesting comment, I was sure that all the Scola thread should allow people to find themselves.:rolleyes

[temujin]

:lmao

You just reminded me a certain someone....

Really?

I could never come come up with a

"Raf Lafrez had several 14 and 9 games in his second year"

Tha's pure class.

Firstable, you need to know who the hell is this La Frenz.
Any self-respecting human being should duely ignore who Raf Lafrenz is.

Even I should stop and think a second to come up with something like this.

The whott guy is truely amazing.
He is probably a politician: he could sell you that Raf lafrenz would make a perfect senator.

[temujin]

Scola would be on my fantasy team just for his rebounding alone. But his scoring and free throws make him automatic.

I put whott on my fantasy government team.

The financial crisis immediately vanished.

[waly.mg]

I was trying to think of the list of players capable of having a 14 and 9 game...not just currently in the league, but in all of NBA history.

You guys got any suggestions on any others players capaple of those numbers?

I think I saw Rafe LaFrentz come close to it once.

I think Eric Dampier has approached it a time or two.

Maybe um...some guy like Za Za Pachulia.

If Kwame hadn't been cursed with those damn injuries he might have pulled it off....he'd have definitely raised the bar.

Nazr Mohammed has flirted with the coveted 14 and 9 game which automatically precludes a player from sucking for life.

It's just damn hard trying to think of guys that could put up a 14 and 9...

I mean we are talking the elite of the elite here.

All of the players in Bold are Centers, if we are talking about Scola or Bonner is one thing, if we are talking about Scola or Bonner as Starting Center, is another different thing, Bonner is more a SF than a Center, and Scola is more a Center than a SF, Bonner is a outside shooter and Scola is a inside player.

If we have a Spot at the Center Posittion i choice Scola every day and twice on Sunday.

[whottt]

Still no answer whottt. you have time to piss on scola but you wont stand by your 100% right statements. since you havent apologized for the clear provocation I have no choice but to moderate for you.

You are 100% wrong on your statements. you say "here's what I know about Argentina" . In this sentence you are referring to a country or government.

Then you say "they don't pay their bills" Are you referring to they the argentine people, or the government of Argentina, which took the decision to stop paying the external debt?

there was no referendum, it was a unilateral decision. It was popular, but not enough for you to qualify all argentines as people who dont pay their bills. if you want to go by that fallacy and equate govt to people, then i can say that Americans are torturers. of course, I'd be lying just like you are.

I didn't say all Argentines. But just for the sake of argument, I think when your government does something officially and with the will of the people...it includes everyone that considers themself a citizen of that Nation.

If America goes to war, all Americans are at war.

As for the torture thing, since I am Pro-torture when it comes to known terrorists I don't really know how to respond to that. Ok?

Although since we just elected an anti-torture President, I'd say that also is reflective of the will of the people so it's no longer a true statement now even if it once was.





as for the other 100% certain statement, it doesnt require even rudimentary analysis because it is clearly opinion. but just to indulge you, I'm quite sure that kobe/laker fans are proportionally a larger part of the American fan base than basketball fans are proportionally a (minuscule) part of the Argentine fan base. therefore, there are more homer assholes from America than there are from Argentina (and I'm not even counting the homer asshole mav fans, or the homer asshole spurs fans, to whom you can call yourself a proud member)

and since we're talking about the rockets, how come barry didnt put them over the top this year? just imagine if we had barry instead of finley eh? looks like I should drop the spurs and leave you at homer asshole instead, a spurs fan would be about the team and not the guy he identifies himself with (old, unathletic, washed up, pot smoking whiteboy- though at least barry was funny)

Now I didn't say all Argentines were homer assholes, I said an inordinate amount...and I agree we've got you in overall numbers of homer asssholes but I'd say you guys got us on the PCT's. If you disprove I will concede the point for I am nothing if not openminded. :tu

[whottt]

better numbers than David Robinson in 2002/2003

And David Robinson was a broken down shadow of his former self in 2003. I'd still take him over Scola though....numbers aren't everything. That's my whole point.

My other point is that Scola's numbers wouldn't be as good if he played for the Spurs.

[whottt]

All of the players in Bold are Centers, if we are talking about Scola or Bonner is one thing, if we are talking about Scola or Bonner as Starting Center, is another different thing, Bonner is more a SF than a Center, and Scola is more a Center than a SF, Bonner is a outside shooter and Scola is a inside player.

If we have a Spot at the Center Posittion i choice Scola every day and twice on Sunday.

Centers play PF all the time in the NBA, and vice versa...there really is little or no dividing line any longer and there hasn't been in years.

[waly.mg]

Yes , the Big Mans switch between PF and C, Bonner switch between PF and SF

[temujin]

Whott,

I have a task adequate for you phenomenal sophistic capacity.

You need to demonstrate that this Raf Lafrenz is (or was) better than Mickel Jordan.

PS.
At basketball, not at frying eggs.

[whottt]

Scola would be on my fantasy team just for his rebounding alone. But his scoring and free throws make him automatic.

BFD...I'd take a lot of players on my fantasy team that I wouldn't let anywhere near my real basketball team.

More to the game than just numbers.

[whottt]

Yes , the Big Mans switch between PF and C, Bonner switch between PF and SF

Bonner is listed as the starting Center for the Spurs. He's never listed as the starting SF...never considered to playing much there either, seldom defends opposing SF's.

You act like C's can't shoot threes or something...ever hear of Same Perkins?

[whottt]

Tell you what Whott. Since you are so adamant about the Scola suckitude, why don't you pull a Barkley and tell me that you'll kiss my @$$ if Scola ever pulls down 20 pts and 10 rebounds in a game.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj137/Spurspics/ScreenHunter_02-Feb-27-09.jpg

It's only a matter of time:nope

BFD...Bonner's had 20 and 10 in a game too.

Come to think of it...Nazr had like 35 and 20 in a game.

[waly.mg]

One thing is listed, and another in Playing Center.
When Bonner is in the Field he´s behind the 3 point line
When Scola is in the Field he´s is inside

[whottt]

:wakeup interesting comment, I was sure that all the Scola thread should allow people to find themselves.:rolleyes

And I'm hoping at some point you'll look at the name of this particular forum and understand that you are not acting as a Spurfan when you bump this thread and side with Rockets trolls.


Not at all...

Unfortunately I've just about given up on you...it's pretty clear where your priorities are and what's most important to you. Even if it means disrespecting the forum owners by bumping OT threads.

Personally I think it's incredibly rude, and takes a ton of audacity to do it and still act like you are a SpurFan on top of it...I suppose it could just a be a cultural difference though. Nah...

[whottt]

One thing is listed, and another in Playing Center.
When Bonner is in the Field he´s behind the 3 point line
When Scola is in the Field he´s is inside

And that's got absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a player is a C or a PF, or a SF....those positions were created like 80 years before the 3 point line even existed. I'd drop this entire line of argument if I were you...it's not speaking well of your knowledge of the game....

[whottt]

And so the meltdown begins...


Again.

[whottt]

:lmao
You know what's incredibly rude?wanna know puto??
you being here so long without being banned mofo.
How come you say you're pro-torture and dont get banned???
oh,right. I forgot you hand out with LJ. My bad.

You pretty much have to be an incomparable asshile to be banned from SpursTalk...that's why I haven't been banned.

Don't sell yourself short here...

[waly.mg]

A Center behind the 3 Point line, how many Center you know like this.
Every Body in the world know that, Tim Duncan is the Spurs Centers, he´s listed as PF but he really play C.
Check this in 82 games.
TD play the 70% of the Spurs minutes, 11% as Pf and 59% as Center
Matt Bonner play 47% of Spurs minutes as PF and Zero as Center.
Luis Scola play 59% of the Rockets minutes, 45% as PF and 14% as Center
Yao Ming play all his 64% minutes of the Rockets and Center

That means you never can say Matt Bonner is a Center, and you can say Luis Scola sometimes is a Center, Tim Duncan is a Center who play sometimes as PF and Yao Ming is always a Center

[urunobili]

How come you say you're pro-torture and dont get banned???
oh,right. I forgot you hand out with LJ. My bad.

I think that whottt; apart from being an Argentine beef fan; brings the best and worst out of the people he interacts with...:wakeup

[whottt]

I think that whottt; apart from being an Argentine beef fan; brings the best and worst out of the people he interacts with...:wakeup

Thanks for the comments. What I do is pretty simple...if there is a mob or people with a mob mentality, IE no longer thinking rationally and caught up in pure emotion, like a stampede of cattle or something...I oppose them.

I always ask myself...whottt, what would you have done when they were burning witches at the stake, crucifying people, stonething them, rounding up jews and throwing them into ovens...would you have stood idly by, or would you have said something?

I'll never know for sure but at least with this philosophy I feel like I know what I would have done.

Is a compulsion...

[urunobili]

Thanks for the comments. What I do is pretty simple...if there is a mob or people with a mob mentality, IE no longer thinking rationally and caught up in pure emotion, like a stampede of cattle or something...I oppose them.

I always ask myself...whottt, what would you have done when they were burning witches at the stake, crucifying people, stonething them, rounding up jews and throwing them into ovens...would you have stood idly by, or would you have said something?

I'll never know for sure but at least with this philosophy I feel like I know what I would have done.

Is a compulsion...

Dude have you ever read Henry Rollins? I think you'll feel identified with lot of what he says... he is my transgression role model :toast

[whottt]

A Center behind the 3 Point line, how many Center you know like this.
Every Body in the world know that, Tim Duncan is the Spurs Centers, he´s listed as PF but he really play C.
Check this in 82 games.
TD play the 70% of the Spurs minutes, 11% as Pf and 59% as Center
Matt Bonner play 47% of Spurs minutes as PF and Zero as Center.
Luis Scola play 59% of the Rockets minutes, 45% as PF and 14% as Center
Yao Ming play all his 64% minutes of the Rockets and Center

That means you never can say Matt Bonner is a Center, and you can say Luis Scola sometimes is a Center, Tim Duncan is a Center who play sometimes as PF and Yao Ming is always a Center


I'm sorry Wally but you are just wrong....they can all shoot threes and the better they are at it, the more they will do it. And Bonner plays as a PF/C almost exclusively on D...

[whottt]

why dont you ask your self what would've you done if you had somebody being tortured in front of you???
Never mind,I already know that. you would've helped torture him/her.

Depends...it's possible I might, then again it's possible I might not. I said I'm anti-mob...not a saint.

[whottt]

Dude have you ever read Henry Rollins? I think you'll feel identified with lot of what he says... he is my transgression role model :toast

Henry Rollins of Black Flag? :lmao I used to listen them a long long time ago.

EdIt: BTW, personally I was always more of a Misfits guy...but I liked Black Flag too.

[whottt]

you dont even know what you are wottt,just face it.
You just want to go against everyones opinion in order to get some attention and stop feeling lonely.
I don't blame you for that. Life is not easy.

It's really not about getting attention...although it does do that.

No I j ust don't like mobs...we become animals in a mob. Mindless unthinking animals.

[urunobili]

Henry Rollins of Black Flag? :lmao I used to listen them a long long time ago.

EdIt: BTW, personally I was always more of a Misfits guy...but I liked Black Flag too.

Dude... go somewhere now and buy ANY of his books... I know u r a Rep and he is anti bush... bah.. he is anti whoever is at the office :lol... but still... damn he as writer is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than a singer for black flag... he is one of the celebrities that visits the deployed US troops worldwide the most, he has an annual tour for that purpose... he blogs a whole lot about that too...

[whottt]

Dude... go somewhere now and buy ANY of his books... I know u r a Rep and he is anti bush... bah.. he is anti whoever is at the office :lol... but still... damn he as writer is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than a singer for black flag... he is one of the celebrities that visits the deployed US troops worldwide, he has an annual tour for that purpose... he blogs a whole lot about that too...

LOL ok I'll check it out sometime.

I'm not Pro Bush or Pro Republican btw...it's just that he was getting mobbed.

A few of us always need to break away from the herd...for it's own good.

[whottt]

Vaya con dios mi amiga :tu

[whottt]

that's ok. you've got my attention for a while anyways.
No go out and get a life please.
I'm out.


Vaya con dios mi amiga


Fixed :tu

[WalterBenitez]

And I'm hoping at some point you'll look at the name of this particular forum and understand that you are not acting as a Spurfan when you bump this thread and side with Rockets trolls.


Not at all...

Unfortunately I've just about given up on you...it's pretty clear where your priorities are and what's most important to you. Even if it means disrespecting the forum owners by bumping OT threads.

Personally I think it's incredibly rude, and takes a ton of audacity to do it and still act like you are a SpurFan on top of it...I suppose it could just a be a cultural difference though. Nah...

:huh:huh

[mystargtr34]

Matt Bonner

October - 6.5 PPG 4.5 RPG 0 APG .500% 3 PT FG in 21 MPG

November - 7.5 PPG 3.9 RPG 0.9 APG .519% 3 PT FG in 18.4 MPG

December - 8.9 PPG 5.5 RPG 1.4 APG .407% 3 PT FG in 25.7 MPG

January - 9.2 PPG 5.1 RPG 1.2 APG .560% 3 PT FG in 25.9 MPG

February - 11 PPG 6.4 RPG 1.4 APG .500% 3 PT FG in 29 MPG

:hat

[Rogue]

Bonner last night

9 pts 3 rbs -/+ -31

I guess your boy went back to reality last night.

Oh BTW, Scola on Feb. averages 13.4 ppg and 10.3 rpg in 30 mpg

yeah I know,Anyone can average a double double in this league..:rolleyes
please change your avatar professor, here is a good one fit for you.

...

[mystargtr34]

Bonner last night

9 pts 3 rbs -/+ -31

I guess your boy went back to reality last night.

Oh BTW, Scola on Feb. averages 13.4 ppg and 10.3 rpg in 30 mpg

yeah I know,Anyone can average a double double in this league..:rolleyes

Yea, Parker going 3-16, aswell as playing without 2 of the big 3 had nothing to do with Bonner going -31. If your gonna hate for the sake of hating, try pretending to be smart and know what your talking about at least - then go from there.

[diego]

I didn't say all Argentines. But just for the sake of argument, I think when your government does something officially and with the will of the people...it includes everyone that considers themself a citizen of that Nation.

If America goes to war, all Americans are at war.

please, you are being extremely naive and setting yourself up big time. I dont read the political forum anymore but I've a strong hunch, that you are not a fan of Obama and you did not support the multiple bailouts we are seeing now. so when Obama makes decisions you dont agree with, you are just going to agree because he is your leader and the people are willing? What's the standard to establish the will of the people, a failed revolution/coup-d'etat or angry letters to your newspaper of choice? and since you are the leader of the anti-mob movement, why weren't you against the war? I lived in the US (east, west, and midwest) for both Iraq wars so dont tell me what was and wasnt the mob mentality.



As for the torture thing, since I am Pro-torture when it comes to known terrorists I don't really know how to respond to that. Ok?

Although since we just elected an anti-torture President, I'd say that also is reflective of the will of the people so it's no longer a true statement now even if it once was.

no longer a true statement? so when argentina changed govt over a year ago from the one that refused to pay the debt (ok this is a bit of a stretch but you probably dont know the reason why) , we ceased to have a government that doesnt pay its bills so your original statement is still false; unless you want to man up and recognize that a change of administration doesnt absolve a government of its decisions, responsibilities, and their historical weight. "even if it once was." oh, i see what you did there, nice cover. please, grow up.

and i find it extremely telling that you have to frame every single argument around your personal point of view. you're pro torture so it doesnt matter that the christian majority citizenship and geneva-convention member state aren't (that geneva convention signing means everyone supported it, there was no revolution, no coupdetat and only 7 angry letters to 2 major newspapers! oh wait, that was several administrations ago, nevermind). If i call Americans torturers its a lie not because the government of America has never used torture, its a lie because the average american citizen has never used torture and doesnt approve of it either.




Now I didn't say all Argentines were homer assholes, I said an inordinate amount...and I agree we've got you in overall numbers of homer asssholes but I'd say you guys got us on the PCT's. If you disprove I will concede the point for I am nothing if not openminded. :tu

thats why i made my hypothetical argument in proportions. and i am not going to disprove your retarded opinion because you cant even define homer asshole or even what constitutes an inordinate amount, nor did you ever specify from what population (total population, sports fans, basketball fans, NBA fans, yadda yadda yadda).




i dont post often but the few times i have have often been to agree with you, i generally appreciate your sense of humor and contrarian nature. but i'm not going to sit and let you make stupid generalizations about my countrymen for the sole reason of disparaging a role player traded almost two years ago so you can "win" some stupid argument with dumbasses like the profesor. if thats how you want to spend your time, go for it. but dont make false generalizations about my countrymen to make your grandiose point.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It amazes me how many people still argue with whottt as if he doesn't live in his own little universe... Give it up diego. You'll NEVER get whottt to concede shit. His ego is bigger than his ability to reason. Its as simple as that.

[DAF86]

Ok I think is time to give this thread a break, maybe take it to the political forum.

[Indazone]

Scola Rules!!

[Ariel]

It amazes me how many people still argue with whottt as if he doesn't live in his own little universe... Give it up diego. You'll NEVER get whottt to concede shit. His ego is bigger than his ability to reason. Its as simple as that.
It's not just that. As stubborn as you may be, there comes a point where pursuing a lost argument for the sake of it is simply not worth your time. What we have yet to find is just how low whottt values his own time. As Golda Meir would say, Peace will come when whottt cares more about his real life than his e-persona. However sad that may be.

[Indazone]

It's not just that. As stubborn as you may be, there comes a point where pursuing a lost argument for the sake of it is simply not worth your time. What we have yet to find is just how low whottt values his own time. As Golda Meir would say, Peace will come when whottt cares about his real life more than his e-persona. However sad that may be.

Is that like when Hell freezes over?

[whottt]

Hi...just popped in to say fuck Scola in the ass...as well as all those who like him.

[whottt]

BTW Manumaniac...I am not the stubborn one, the Scola fans are.


It's proven that the Rockets are no better after adding him.

It's proven that in fact, he is their worst starter.


Since that was the nature of my criticism of Scola, not his stats...


You tell my why I should change my opinion, just because a bunch of homer argies, who combined I doubt have watched as much basketball as I have, don't agree with my assessment.

I said Scola wouldn't make a difference...and he didn't.

You guys are the ones that need to admit ya'll were wrong not I.



Futhermore Ariel...why don't you tell the guys that bumped this thread and solicited my opinion in it...to get a life.


Or did you not fucking read that part where that was done?


The last time I initiated a Scola conversation was the night Matt Bonner BUTTFUCKED him...ironically enough, no Scola fans were interested in discussing him then...they only want to discuss him when he's having good games.



Me? The Rockets did worse in the post season year with Scola than they did the year before without him..

My point was proven then.


And fuck all ya'll that refuse to admit it because you like his empty stats, his team, or his country of origin.

That's really what's it's all about...not a single fucking Argie in this motherucking thread would be making this much of an issue of Scola...if he wasn't from Argentina...


And you either a GODDAMN Fucking liar, or fucking stupid if you don't realize it.


How fucking dare anyone of you accuse me of not being the objective one.


How fucking dare you...



I'd just like say a big ole suck my dick to all Scola fans...especially the Argies...

Suck
My
Dick

[whottt]

Manimaniac is right about one thing though...anyone that thinks I'm going to change my opinion on this based on the situation as it is now...

Is incomparably stupid. For I will not...

I will not change my opinion unless Scola justifies all the bitching and whining his fans have done over him...

Since you guys have whined, and cried, like little fucking bitches, more than LakerFans did when the Lakers traded Shaq...

As it stands right now, Scola will have to win 4 consecutive finals MVP's for me to change my opinion on him...because only then will he not be the most over-rated piece of shit to ever desecrate an NBA court...

Remember that the next time you want validation of this fucking over-rated scrub from me.


Again..if you don't like it, you can suck my dick.


You first Manumaniac.

[Agloco]

Manimaniac is right about one thing though...anyone that thinks I'm going to change my opinion on this based on the situation as it is now...

Is incomparably stupid. For I will not...

I will not change my opinion unless Scola justifies all the bitching and whining his fans have done over him...

Since you guys have whined, and cried, like little fucking bitches, more than LakerFans did when the Lakers traded Shaq...

As it stands right now, Scola will have to win 4 consecutive finals MVP's for me to change my opinion on him...because only then will he not be the most over-rated piece of shit to ever desecrate an NBA court...

Remember that the next time you want validation of this fucking over-rated scrub from me.


Again..if you don't like it, you can suck my dick.


You first Manumaniac.

I see whottt is back and better than ever...... :toast

[Hemotivo]

disrespectful

[whottt]

please, you are being extremely naive and setting yourself up big time. I dont read the political forum anymore but I've a strong hunch, that you are not a fan of Obama and you did not support the multiple bailouts we are seeing now. so when Obama makes decisions you dont agree with, you are just going to agree because he is your leader and the people are willing?

Well since that forum primarly deals with internal politics and not international ones...no of course I won't.

But the statement I made about Argies...was an international one.

And trust me...like in a war, the enemy doesn't draw lines there...nor would I expect them too.

If I was an Argie I would not say it that way...of course. But I'm not.





What's the standard to establish the will of the people, a failed revolution/coup-d'etat or angry letters to your newspaper of choice?

Popular vote and PEACEFUL transfer of power...




and since you are the leader of the anti-mob movement, why weren't you against the war? I lived in the US (east, west, and midwest) for both Iraq wars so dont tell me what was and wasnt the mob mentality.

I was very much against the Iraq War. But I was also against pulling out after we went in. It was too late then. It was too late to protest then, it was too late to undo what was done then.

So the only choice for me was get as many positives out of it as possible..and blowing the shit out of their country and then saying fuck it and leaving it to a state civil war, was not my idea of a positive...it was my idea of irresponsibility. Not to mention wasted lives.




no longer a true statement? so when argentina changed govt over a year ago from the one that refused to pay the debt (ok this is a bit of a stretch but you probably dont know the reason why) , we ceased to have a government that doesnt pay its bills so your original statement is still false;

Not really...

Obama ran largely on a platform of completely reversing and being the opposite of Bush...is that the case in Argentina? If so then you'd be right...if not, well than I disagree.

But even if it is different now...I am not expert on Argentina, and freely admit to being ignorant of their current stance on international debt...

In fact that was the whole point I was making...


So even I'm wrong? What you have proved that I was not already admitting?






unless you want to man up and recognize that a change of administration doesnt absolve a government of its decisions, responsibilities, and their historical weight. "even if it once was." oh, i see what you did there, nice cover. please, grow up.

Well one administration can't be held accountable for the actions of another usually...I mean to me they can't.

Furthermore, it's not like Bush ever ran on a platform of torture...





and i find it extremely telling that you have to frame every single argument around your personal point of view.

:lol That's a ridiculous statement...everyone does that, whether they realize it or not.



you're pro torture so it doesnt matter that the christian majority citizenship and geneva-convention member state aren't (that geneva convention signing means everyone supported it, there was no revolution, no coupdetat and only 7 angry letters to 2 major newspapers! oh wait, that was several administrations ago, nevermind). If i call Americans torturers its a lie not because the government of America has never used torture, its a lie because the average american citizen has never used torture and doesnt approve of it either.


Must you frame every single argument around your personal POV?

RE: The Geneva Convention

If the terrorists want to clearly mark themselves as an enemy combatants and stop deliberately placing civillians at risk by fighting a covert war, I am all in favor of then receiving the treatment called for under the Geneva Convention...

If they do not want to conduct themselves in the manner outlined in the Geneva Convention, then they should not benefit from it.


You know why they won't adhere to those tenets of the Geneva Convention?

Becuse they will lose the war instaneously if they do.


I support no rules when only one side is expected to play by them.




thats why i made my hypothetical argument in proportions. and i am not going to disprove your retarded opinion because you cant even define homer asshole or even what constitutes an inordinate amount, nor did you ever specify from what population (total population, sports fans, basketball fans, NBA fans, yadda yadda yadda).

I feel I defined them quite well...you just don't agre with my definitions.

Must you look at every single point from your own POV?





i dont post often but the few times i have have often been to agree with you, i generally appreciate your sense of humor and contrarian nature. but i'm not going to sit and let you make stupid generalizations about my countrymen for the sole reason of disparaging a role player traded almost two years ago so you can "win" some stupid argument with dumbasses like the profesor. if thats how you want to spend your time, go for it. but dont make false generalizations about my countrymen to make your grandiose point.

How very Nationalistic of you...you remind me of myself in the political forum. :tu

[whottt]

disrespectful

Not as disrespectful as this thread is.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You're pathetic whottt. Keep it up :lmao

[diego]

instead of disparaging, i should have said LYING. because that is what you did and what annoys me- you used a fact about the argentine government's decision to not pay their foreign debt (a decision with a process so long and complicated that the average argentine had almost no connection to) to say that argentine's dont pay their debts and that isnt any more true than to say that americans torture when it is CIA agents, not average americans, doing the torturing. If I walk into a bar anywhere in the US and start calling people torturers, people will get confused, then look at me like an idiot until someone is annoyed/offended enough to kick me out. and if you walked into a bar anywhere in argentina calling people bad creditors for not paying the foreign debt they will do the same. no one will say "yeah i did it, so what?" unless you walked into a bar in CIA headquarters or the Argentine interior ministry, or maybe a thread about luis scola where you need to twist something unrelated into bait to annoy people and garner attention. congratulations.

MY whole point is you are making this generalization so you can herd people into groups instead of saying who did what, so that you can smear other nameless people with it, with the only intent to provoke.

i guess david robinson wasn't as good as shaq or olajuwon since he lost to them so many times? was it david robinson that sucked, or his teammates? i'm sure then you'll say it was his teammates. and i agree. but that is what you are doing by using that kind of association, and in the case of nationality its worse because people dont "sign" with their country, nor can they threaten their govt to opt out and go to another "country". its a lot more complicated especially when you are talking about poor people. for someone who says he doesnt like the mob mentality of the herd, you sure are doing a good job of promoting it.

and by one of your first responses above it seems you think i'm arguing about luis scola when this is the first post i mention him in the thread. who cares about scola anymore? you all look like fools rehashing this over and over, its like going to realgm and reading kobe v lebron threads only you are arguing about freaking role players who are even more different than kobe and bron, so nobody cares, unless you provoke people with a false generalization. i'm done with this thread, you know perfectly well what you are doing by provoking people with unnecessary and false generalizations instead of sticking to the actual subject- luis scola vs matt bonner.

[urunobili]

disrespectful

It starts with G and finishes with s...

[whottt]

It's called talking shit...

It's just like when I say Scola Fans are sucking Scola off...

Outside of La Profesora...I don't acually believe Scola fans are actually wanting to perform oral sex on him, but I say it in that way so as to demean their masculinity and insult them...

Furthermore there are like sixty Argies I am arguing with and I'm not going to name them each just so the smart ones won't be offended...the way I look at it, if you are stupid enough to be offended by a comment that is not directed at you..

Then go ahead and consider it directed at you...for my comments are always meant to insult the stupid.


When I make an obviously derisive comment aimed at a certain segment...it is always intended to rile the stupidest of people, the most easily provoked..

I am sorry to say this, but there are two groups on this board that are exponentially easier to provoke than anyone else...

Liberals and Argies.


Note, I do not mean all Liberals and all Argies, sigh...it is a general statement made to save time, I am not going to list name by name the sixty people the comment is directly aimed at...I expect the people it's not aimed at to be smart enough to see that it is not aimed at them.


You see no matter how smart you think you are, no matter how eloquent you may be...the fact that you could not see my intent and needed it explained speaks poorly of you..

Note, smeagol(usually, but he does slip up every once in a while) and urno did not need it explained.


And I also refuse to explain the motivation behind my attacks on Scola to anyone not smart enough to understand it in the first place...if you don't understand it, when it is so blatantly obvious what I am doing, then you really aren't worth an explanation...and go ahead and consider the insult meant for you. :tu


I am going to shit on Scola and this trade until he wins 4 Finals MVP's in a row...if you expect anything to change, you are stupid.

Ironically enough, Manumaniac is by the far the stupidest Argie and most easily provoked(a 2 year old could get a rise out of Manumaniac)...yet even he understands this....doesn't keep him from getting pissed off...but he actually does understand that I am not going to change my position on this and it is absolutely useless to argue with me over it.

[whottt]

Oh,I see what you're doing now.
So,you're buck trucking now Pussy?
So,it all was just to piss some Argies off??
I don't buy that.
The whole truth behind your statements is that you can't stand being so fucking wrong as you were,are and will be on the Scola subjet.

I genuinely don't like Scola and think he's overated...but the way you guys react to that makes it a great deal more fun to dislike him and think he's over-rated...and I will continue to relish doing it, the more pissed off it gets you.


In fact the more outraged you guys get about it...the more I like doing it.

Rest assured, every time you call me into one of these threads I will be back...even more spiteful and provocative than I was the last time you called me into one of them.



We're not saying Scola will win the MVP of the year here(but maybe the MIP though)

Moot...

You guys have bitched more than anyone about any other trade in NBA history...that alone means Scola has to be the greatest player ever, to justify your bitching..







In my case,I'm just glad He's doing great,and that I wasn't wrong after all.

Backpedal all you want...and he's not doing that great.

Chris Webber put up some of the most sickening stats ever from about 99-2002...and I didn't want him anywhere near my team, and I was right to not want him...for there would have been no title in 2003 had the Spurs signed him.

The Spurs almost jettisoned David Robinson to sign this worthless douchebag...and at the time the Webber fans sounded exactly like the Scola fans.

More to the game than stats....you'd think I wouldn't have to explain this to fans of Manu Ginobili...yet sadly I do.

[urunobili]

Oh,I see what you're doing now.
So,you're buck trucking now Pussy?
So,it all was just to piss some Argies off??
I don't buy that.
The whole truth behind your statements is that you can't stand being so fucking wrong as you were,are and will be on the Scola subjet.
We're not saying Scola will win the MVP of the year here(but maybe the MIP though)
In my case,I'm just glad He's doing great,and that I wasn't wrong after all.
in your case,well.... it's pretty obvios you know chuck shit about the game of basketball. Maybe you know some Spurs history,but that's about it.
Now,you're officially OWNED, bitch.
dude you're stalking whottt... you just post when he does???:lmao

Well... i can't judge you... some people prefer it rough.. :devil

[whottt]

But you don't piss me off...you work yourself into a rage and then get banned....nothing on this board pisses me off, and if you ever met me you'd understand that.

Well ok I did get pissed once but I don't remember what it was about...wasn't politics or Scola though.

[noob cake]

This thread is too long for me to read; but whottt can you tell me why Scola sucks after he has gotten 11 double-doubles in the past 15 games. (And has averaged a double double in these 15 games).

Sorry if you already posted your explaination, but I am dying to read your reasonings.

[MmP]

Oh, not again please...

[Tmac&Luther]

This thread is too long for me to read; but whottt can you tell me why Scola sucks after he has gotten 11 double-doubles in the past 15 games. (And has averaged a double double in these 15 games).

Sorry if you already posted your explaination, but I am dying to read your reasonings.

He thinks Scola sucks, because his team traded him away (he acts like his team is incapable of making a bad move, which is why in his pea sized brain Bonner > than Scola), which makes him a complete homer as well as a fool. If some other team drafted and traded him away he wouldn't think that Scola sucks. The guy is a complete jackass who embarrasses himself everytime he posts in this thread.......the guy has been completely wrong about Scola for almost two years now.

Duncan aside, Scola is alot better than any big man they currently have on their roster which in Whottt's dumbass head makes him "overrated and not that good".

[WalterBenitez]

Some person should try Second Life, probably there Scola doesn't exist:oink

[whottt]

This thread is too long for me to read; but whottt can you tell me why Scola sucks after he has gotten 11 double-doubles in the past 15 games. (And has averaged a double double in these 15 games).

Sorry if you already posted your explaination, but I am dying to read your reasonings.

Since you asked nicely...

I don't like Scola because well in a nutshell becuase he talked a lot of shit and copped an attitude in the 7 years since we drafted him, before he was traded.

We traded him as much because of his atittude as anything else and as long as there are people acting like he is the equivalent of Wilt Chamberlain, I am going say he sucks, is an asshole, and point out that the Rockets are not one iota closer to a championship since getting him...and since that is the primary concern of the Spurs year in and year out, and we were in fact the defending champs when we traded him to the Rockets, it's relevant.

I never liked Scola, and I genuinely don't think he's much of a difference maker...but I became violently anti-Scola due to all his whining fans after that trade.

I never said he wouldn't put up numbers...I said he'd put up 9 and 4 last year, I said playing Adelman's system might put him up in the range of a 15 and 6 player...he's been a better rebounder than I said he would be and he's shot at a better PCT than I said he would...but he also hasn't ever become an offensive focus for the Rockets as I figured they would try for a least a little while, he's actually a worst defender than I thought he would be, and they got manhandled by powerful frontlines last year when
Yao was out...

I predicted the game that would end that 22 game win streak and nailed exactly their next 5 losses after it as well.


He's just not worth all the bitching...and fans that are really that upset about it should just go ahead and shut up about it, and become Rocketfans.


I would like to point out that Splitter staying in Europe pretty much changed everything...it wasn't that hard to see why the Spurs were willing to give him to the Rockets to solve their cap problems when they had Splitter and Mahinmi in reserve...

The Rockets are built around two very frequently injured stars, and they have a coach that is soft on D...it was never hard to see that the trade wouldn''t be a disaster for the Spurs and wouldn't be that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.


But just so you know...I didn't like Scola before he was traded.



I didn't like him because he said it would have been better if he hadn't been drafted the night the Spurs drafted him...I don't care his reason for saying it, that's a stupid and insulting thing to say...and if he has that attitude about being drafted by my team...well you can damn sure bet I have the same attitude towards him...especially when we are the defending champs and he's choking in Euroleague Finals.

Fuck Scola.

[temujin]

I think there should be a drink named after Scola.

A Scola drink.

Any suggestions?

[ChumpDumper]

Coca-Scola

[kuato]

One Coca Scola Por favor ! , whottt , what shit did Scola talked about exactly ?
Im asking it nicely too :toast

[noob cake]

Why is Luis Scola such a manly man?

20/16 tonight on 58.8% shooting

[dirk4mvp]

Why is Luis Scola such a manly man?

20/16 tonight on 58.8% shooting



He's made more shots than he's attempted? That is badass.

[DAF86]

He's made more shots than he's attempted? That is badass.

Are you drunk already? 20 pts 16 rbds.

[dirk4mvp]

Are you drunk already? 20 pts 16 rbds.



:lol Totally read that wrong :bking

[sook]

Scola is friggin insane rofl these last 10 or so games the dude has been unconscious

[whottt]

Yawn...same shit as around this same time last year when the Rockets were on the 22 game winning streak. Wake me when something meaningful happens. I realize not totally sucking is always a big deal for RocketFan....but seriously, it's not that big of a deal. Especially in Adelman's system. Brad Miller put up some numbers under Adelman that would put him in the HOF if averaged them for a career...doesn't mean he's not a lump of shit.

[sook]

Yawn...same shit as around this same time last year when the Rockets were on the 22 game winning streak. Wake me when something meaningful happens. I realize not totally sucking is always a big deal for RocketFan....but seriously, it's not that big of a deal. Especially in Adelman's system. Brad Miller put up some numbers under Adelman that would put him in the HOF if averaged them for a career...doesn't mean he's not a lump of shit.

Your unbelievable, but i don't blame you considering you gave us a legit 20/10 guy for a bag of chips!

[Tmac&Luther]

Yawn...same shit as around this same time last year when the Rockets were on the 22 game winning streak. Wake me when something meaningful happens. I realize not totally sucking is always a big deal for RocketFan....but seriously, it's not that big of a deal. Especially in Adelman's system. Brad Miller put up some numbers under Adelman that would put him in the HOF if averaged them for a career...doesn't mean he's not a lump of shit.

Yeah, because Scola controls the entire team's success? You fail at life, first you bashed Scola and then when he made you look like a complete fool, you try to hold him responsible for the entire team's success.

Oh and look, now it's "Adelman's system". :rollin Just another dumbass excuse.

[whottt]

Yeah, because Scola controls the entire team's success? You fail at life, first you bashed Scola and then when he made you look like a complete fool, you try to hold him responsible for the entire team's success.

Oh and look now, now it's "Adelman's system". :rollin Just another dumbass excuse.

Um...I'm not lying about my criticisms of Scola...do a forum search.

[Tmac&Luther]

Um...I'm not lying about my criticisms of Scola...do a forum search.

I have done forum searches before......your criticisms have consistently changed since the first time the trade happened.

I still remember the "Oh he can't play next to Duncan" excuse. :lol

But hey, atleast y'all picked up Gooden....that way we won't have to hear the rediculous comparisons to Matt Boner anymore. :rolleyes.......wait he can't play next to Duncan either huh? :lol

[whottt]

I have done forum searches before......your criticisms have consistently changed since the first time the trade happened.

I still remember the "Oh he can't play next to Duncan" excuse. :lol

But hey, atleast y'all picked up Gooden....that way we won't have to hear the rediculous comparisons to Matt Boner anymore. :rolleyes.......wait he can't play next to Duncan either huh? :lol

Note that I don't like Gooden either. Watch his rebounding drop...you'll be less stupid then.

If it makes you feel any better...I like Scola better than Gooden. As I noted earlier...Scola might be an asshoe, but at least he's not a dumbass...

assholes always >>> dumbasses

[Indazone]

The Rockets big three in reality are Yao, Artest, and Scola. We had a big four but we all saw how that went. But this lineup is good enough to go with anyone.

[DaDakota]

If the Spurs kept Scola they would be the favorites in the West.

DD

[Ocotillo]

At least we got rid of Jackie Butler's salary...... :rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

If the Spurs kept Scola they would be the favorites in the West.

DDShouldn't the Rockets be favorites with him then?

[The Franchise]

Luis is a beast.

[waly.mg]

Are you drunk already? 20 pts 16 rbds.
He´s drunked since his nick is dirk4mvp, fixed is dirk4loser

[Tmac&Luther]

Shouldn't the Rockets be favorites with him then?

Give us Duncan for Yao and Tony Parker for Aaron Brooks and we'll see....

[dirk4mvp]

He´s drunked since his nick is dirk4mvp, fixed is dirk4loser


Dude, you freakin showed me!

[WalterBenitez]

Scola is friggin insane rofl these last 10 or so games the dude has been unconscious

I assume he read this thread and whottt's comments :D

[WalterBenitez]

Note that I don't like Gooden either. Watch his rebounding drop...you'll be less stupid then.

If it makes you feel any better...I like Scola better than Gooden. As I noted earlier...Scola might be an asshoe, but at least he's not a dumbass...

assholes always >>> dumbasses

:wow another thread is coming .... give him a chance, he would be nice contributor for SAS.

[DaDakota]

Shouldn't the Rockets be favorites with him then?


Aren't we?

;)

DD

[WalterBenitez]

Aren't we?

;)

DD


You got your chances with T-Mac out, I predict you will reach second round, later you will face a real team and you will lose :wakeup

[sook]

18/14

This guy is deff my most fav rockets player

[Tmac&Luther]

Hey Whottt....are you finally ready to admit you have no idea of what the hell you're talking about? Are you finally ready to admit you were wrong as hell about Scola? I think it's about time, don't you? :lol

bu bu but Boner is better :lol

bu bu but Scola can't rebound :lol

bu bu but Scola can't play next to Duncan :lol...

YOU FAIL!

It's time to come clean and admit your stupidity already...

[MaNu4Tres]

Hey Whottt....are you finally ready to admit you have no idea of what the hell you're talking about? Are you finally ready to admit you were wrong as hell about Scola? I think it's about time, don't you? :lol

bu bu butt Boner is better :lol

bu bu butt Scola can't rebound :lol

bu bu butt Scola can't play next to Duncan...

YOU FAIL!

It's time to come clean and admit your stupidity already...

Or just admit that R.C only has a job because of Tim Duncan. Obviously he hasn't done anything significant other than having Presti beg him to draft Tony Parker.

[ezau]

Epic Spurs Fail when the team lost Scola. I cringe each time and I watch him put those 20/10 numbers. If only we didn't trade him....

[AusSpursFan]

Note that I don't like Gooden either. Watch his rebounding drop...you'll be less stupid then.

If it makes you feel any better...I like Scola better than Gooden. As I noted earlier...Scola might be an asshoe, but at least he's not a dumbass...

assholes always >>> dumbasses

So where do you fit? Considering you qualify for both

[antimvp]

scola is a low post/tempo controller......he can take control of a game and set the pace.........the rockets can go for if this keeps up.

[Ice009]

Scola is friggin insane rofl these last 10 or so games the dude has been unconscious

Well he's not insane. I think Luis is basically showing he is a big game player, just like a lot of us thought he was.

I mean he was pretty much the 2nd best player on the Argentinian team so I don't know why the Spurs didn't want him.

Edit : I replied to a post older than I thought it was ;).

[George Gervin's Afro]

I'm not sure this guy could have helped us....:(

[Extra Stout]

Fire R.C. Buford now.

[ShoogarBear]

Fire R.C. Buford now.

Yep. Let Dennis take over.

[FaithInOne]

lmao at the dumbass scola haters

such spurs fanbois they couldn't see reality.

[SPURSGOAT]

He had 24 pts and 12 rbs last night....dumb front office move to let him go...

Damn I hope they beat the Lakers in game 7...

[Knoxxx]

Scola was great, let's keep Manu and pair them up in 2010. Sure RC is looking crazy and we all would like to throttle him right now considering he spent more to get Kurt "The Statue" Thomas than Scola cost. However, we did get TP and Manu from this regime, so I guess you can't hit a home run every time. Rather than lament past mistakes, we need to be scheming for the future.

[duncan228]

The Saga of Scola (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/16/sports/basketball/16dribble.html?_r=1)
Howard Beck

If the reeling Los Angeles Lakers need another scapegoat for their suddenly perilous playoff position, perhaps they can blame Jackie Butler. It takes a few steps to get there, but play along.

Two years ago, the San Antonio Spurs realized they had overpaid Butler, a young center with a short résumé and a shorter N.B.A. lifespan. To shed his contract, the Spurs needed to trade him. To find a willing buyer, they needed to include something of value in the deal.

So in July 2007, the Spurs sent Butler and the draft rights to Luis Scola to the Houston Rockets. Two nights ago, Scola pounded the Lakers for 24 points and 12 rebounds to tie the Western Conference semifinal series at 3-3.

Scola, a star for Argentina’s national team and in the Spanish league, has largely outplayed the Lakers forwards Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. He is one of the biggest reasons that the Rockets are still contending, despite losing Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and Dikembe Mutombo to injuries.

In Game 6, Scola practically put the Lakers away by himself. He scored the first 6 points of the game, and outscored the entire Los Angeles lineup by 12-3 in the first seven minutes. Houston cruised to an early double-digit lead and never surrendered it.

The hard-nosed, smooth-shooting Scola was highly regarded by the Spurs, but they were never sure how to fit him into their plans — financially or competitively. At the time they traded his rights, the Spurs already had his countryman, center Fabricio Oberto. They also owned the rights to another promising foreign big man, Ian Mahinmi, their first-round pick in 2005.

So Scola seemed expendable, or at least not essential. Ever budget-conscious, the Spurs were eager to move Butler’s $2.4 million salary off the books. They received an undisclosed amount of cash in the trade. And the one player they obtained — guard Vassilis Spanoulis — was released at his own request, providing another $4 million in savings.

Butler never played a minute for the Rockets. The Lakers surely wish that Scola never had.

[nil.ball]

A big part of the reason I log on here (as a rockets fan) was to read all the Scola thread. To be honest, Houston front office since the dream era was fail sauce, until recently. Scola, Hayes, Landry, Battier, Brooks, Artest, Wafer, Lowry, the entire team you see on the floor right now, non of them was here until Daryl Morey came.

Yes the scrub team that is taking the championship bound lakers to the brinks of elimination is pretty much hand picked by our new GM. Give him some credit (who is this year's exec of the year? stupid nba).

[vander]

Yawn...same shit as around this same time last year when the Rockets were on the 22 game winning streak. Wake me when something meaningful happens. I realize not totally sucking is always a big deal for RocketFan....but seriously, it's not that big of a deal. Especially in Adelman's system. Brad Miller put up some numbers under Adelman that would put him in the HOF if averaged them for a career...doesn't mean he's not a lump of shit.

LOL so in order for Scola to be good enough for the Spurs, he has to beat the Lakers, something the Spurs couldn't even do, with basically Artest as the only other marquee player on the team. :lol

No, Whotttt knows that Scola would have been a tremendous asset to our team, and that's why he hates him. whottttt is sick of the Spurs winning and collecting bandwagon fans. He longs to see us wallow in mediocrity so that only the REAL fans stick around and he doesn't have to share the Spurs and these boards with all the bandwagon fans

don't worry whottttt, you will most likely get your wish

[smeagol]

The problem is not how good Scola is, we all know, to some degree, that he is an above average player (even whottt admits this). The issue is the Spurs got shit for him.


Plain ole' smelly shit.

[Knoxxx]

What impressed me was Scola v Gasol, whom I view as just below the elite level in the NBA. Scola used his superior weight and smarts to offset Gasol and make him work for everything the last couple games. Scola has basically neutralized Gasol since Ming went out, averaging 16 and 13 to Gasol's 20 and 11. Scola only got 11 and 8 when YM was in. Gasol was going for 16 and 11 against YM. So three games with YM and three without. Gasol had 30 in game 4, but only averaging 16 the rest of the series. If Gasol can't get 20+, Kobe needs 40+ or who is going to score for the Lakers?

The Lakers scared me a lot when Bynum was going 20 and 10, but he looks like a shadow of that right now, and their role players aren't doing it. Really like what I see out of Houston's role players. Their FO has clearly outperformed ours lately.

[JustBlaze]

Scola to Haters: "Tell me how my ass taste?":lol

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41-year-old Luis Scola received a standing ovation in what is expected to be his final Olympic game https://abs.twimg.com/emoji/v2/72x72/1f44f.png @LScola4 (https://twitter.com/LScola4/) will go down as one of the greatest players in Argentina basketball history.






6:27pm · 3 Aug 2021 (https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1422700744336191490) · Sprinklr (https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-tweet#source-labels)

[SAGirl]

It reminds me of Manu’s last game with Argentina.
:bobo