Chris Webber has been traded to Sixers

[adidas11]

Just saw it mentioned on ESPNnews.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Chris Webber, Matt Barnes and Michael Bradley to the 76ers for Kenny Thomas, Corliss Williamson and Brian Skinner.

Ooooooooookay.

[adidas11]

C-Webb, Matt Barnes, and Michael Bradley....for Brian Skinner, Coliss Williamson, and Kenny Thomas.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bdiddy is supposedly headed to Golden State also on the trade front.

Edit: haha I beat you. :spin

[ShoogarBear]

Holy Smokes.

[PM5K]

Oh My God

[Supergirl]

link?

[ChumpDumper]

Well, there's your blockbuster. Difficult to see what was so wrong with Webber this year that he had to go. The Kings at least get some size back.

Maloofs are broke, apparently.

[conversekid]

AI and Cwebb? nice duo

[Spurminator]

Wow.

Happy for AI. But confused by Ramento's logic here. Guess they're writing off the season.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=1998426

[picnroll]

Scratching head.

[conversekid]

It's all over sports center right now.

[ShoogarBear]

Kings have given up on this year.

Philly just locked up the Atlantic and #3 seed.

[Supergirl]

How do those salaries even match up? Why would the Kings trade their franchise player for a bunch of scrubs, esp with Peja already talking about leaving next year?

[jalbre6]

That's a weird trade. Is Sacto mailing in the season? First Christie, now C-Webb. Strange times.

[IcemanCometh]

wtf

[ChumpDumper]

"See, we can't keep players like Chris without a new arena!"

Prelude to a franchise move.

Booked.

[Jdspur20]

what the hell is sac doing???

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Webber and Peja were not getting along, looks like Sacramento wants to build around Peja and Miller.

Damn this blows, I just made a big trade sending away Brad Miller in a fantasy league I'm in, now he's gonna be the man in teh middle in Sacramento. Fuckin' A.

[Spurminator]

Now AI is only the second-most-tattooed player on his own team.

[PM5K]

That's just a huge move for the Sixers, combined with some of their young talent that was showcased during All-Star weekend this could be a pretty good team in the East, I wonder if they are done yet, if they could deal Robinson and his expiring 12 million dollar contract for the right player(s) they could be even better...

[adidas11]

I agree. I don't see why Sac-town made this deal. Webber is supposed to be their franchise player! Have they given up on their nucleus?

[jalbre6]

"See, we can't keep players like Chris without a new arena!"

Prelude to a franchise move.

Booked.

I dig the logic here. Las Vegas Kings? I can see the playing card logo now.

[timvp]

Webber is playing on no legs and is a breath away from a major injury. He can't even play back-to-back games too often anymore. I think the Kings did what they had to do to get rid of Webber, pacify Peja and get back three pretty good players.

Kings got the better end of the deal.

[kolko]

Sacramento trades: PF Chris Webber (21.3 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 5.5 apg in 36.3 minutes)
PF Michael Bradley (1.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.4 minutes)
SF Matt Barnes (3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 16.6 minutes)
Sacramento receives: PF Kenny Thomas (11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes)
SF Corliss Williamson (10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes)
PF Brian Skinner (2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -2.5 ppg, -1.6 rpg, and -4.4 apg.

Philadelphia trades: PF Kenny Thomas (11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes)
SF Corliss Williamson (10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes)
PF Brian Skinner (2.0 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 10.3 minutes)
Philadelphia receives: PF Chris Webber (21.3 ppg, 9.7 rpg, 5.5 apg in 36.3 minutes)
PF Michael Bradley (1.5 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 6.4 minutes)
SF Matt Barnes (3.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 16.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +2.5 ppg, +1.6 rpg, and +4.4 apg.

TRADE DECLINED

Due to Sacramento and Philadelphia being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and Philadelphia had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only Sacramento met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

AI
Iggy
Korver
Webber
Dalambert

That's gonna be a fun team to watch.

[ChumpDumper]

It's a gamble, but the Sixers didn't even have to give up Dalembert. I think it's safe to say who wanted it more.

[adidas11]

Call me crazy, but I don't see C-Webb and Iverson meshing all that well. Webber is not a back to the basket player, and demands the ball facing the basket. AI operates on the perimeter, and needs the ball to be effective.

[Supergirl]

I read the article, OK, so this was a move to try and keep Peja happy, but no WAY did the Kings get the better deal. A healthy Webber is still the best defensive option out there, with Christie gone. This will send the Kings back to being a first round playoff exit. Peja is not franchise player material.

[jalbre6]

timvp, I gotta disagree.

Skinner sucked in college...[b]at Baylor[\b]. Thomas can play some nights, but it's a crapshoot. He was much better as a Rocket. Corliss, a former King, occupies his own zip code...but is averaging 10 a game or so.

Not worth Webber, in my opinion.

[adidas11]

Hey, at least Webber will be able to find a soul food joint in Philly...

[picnroll]

"See, we can't keep players like Chris without a new arena!"

Prelude to a franchise move.

Booked.
Elvis won't be the only King in Las Vegas.

[ShoogarBear]

It's a gamble, but the Sixers didn't even have to give up Dalembert. I think it's safe to say who wanted it more.

Agreed. When I first heard C-Webb to Philly, I said it has to be Dalembert.

Amazed that Sac didn't ask for him.

[Supergirl]

I also wonder how CWebb and AI will mesh. I think AI will be happy to have some solid help for ONCE in his career. But I could see there being some problems. if they can work it out, they'll be HOT.

[timvp]

A healthy Webber is still the best defensive option out there, with Christie gone.

Webber hasn't played defense this decade.

[Spurminator]

Agreed. When I first heard C-Webb to Philly, I said it has to be Dalembert.

Amazed that Sac didn't ask for him.


I'm sure they asked....

[ShoogarBear]

Call me crazy, but I don't see C-Webb and Iverson meshing all that well. Webber is not a back to the basket player, and demands the ball facing the basket. AI operates on the perimeter, and needs the ball to be effective.

Yeah, but C-Webb is not a selfish player, and doesn't dominate the ball.

And clearly, AI will be the go-to guy in crunch time, which is how they both would want it.

I think it will be a good match.

[jalbre6]

And clearly, AI will be the go-to guy in crunch time, which is how they both would want it.

Truer words might never have been spoken. I bet C-Webb still has nightmares calling timeout with alumni waving $100's in his face.

[Rummpd]

Living in Philly = with the 76ers my second favorite team LOVE this trade.

One thing is that Miller seemed to step up with Webber gone, but I also cannot see how you can trade a guy that has had several recent triple doubles for what they got back.

I lived in WI last year and Skinner was with the Bucks, he plays hard but in not a major talent, Thomas has been up and down all year and Williamson is an inconsitent hard nose type but a little under-sized.

I simply cannot see why the Kings could not of got more than this???

[timvp]

timvp, I gotta disagree.

Skinner sucked in college...[b]at Baylor[\b]. Thomas can play some nights, but it's a crapshoot. He was much better as a Rocket. Corliss, a former King, occupies his own zip code...but is averaging 10 a game or so.

Not worth Webber, in my opinion.

Skinner has some game. He played well at the end of last season on the Bucks. Kenny Thomas could be a monster in Sac's offensive scheme which has the bigmen as the passers and decision makers. Corliss Williamson provides a bench player for the team with the worst bench in the league. The Kings weren't winning any championship and Webber is broken down ... they can now build around Peja, Bibby and Miller.

Plus they get three nice players to add to the mix. I like.

[Spurminator]

Defenses will now have to actually guard someone on the post, instead of guarding whichever side of the basket Iverson is on.

[timvp]

Webber plays like he has no knees and is perhaps the worst defending big man in the league.

This forum has highly overrated him.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Webber's basically a role player whose been averaging damn close to a triple double for the past two weeks.

He can go rebound, throw some passes here and there, and get offensive putbacks off AI's misses.

Philly just became the team that nobody wants to play in the East come post-season.

[ChumpDumper]

I think Corliss will probably be the odd man out of the rotation. Thomas/Songaila at PF and Skinner beating out Ostertag as backup C.

[jalbre6]

Skinner has some game. He played well at the end of last season on the Bucks. Kenny Thomas could be a monster in Sac's offensive scheme which has the bigmen as the passers and decision makers. Corliss Williamson provides a bench player for the team with the worst bench in the league. The Kings weren't winning any championship and Webber is broken down ... they can now build around Peja, Bibby and Miller

I see where you're going here. Thomas as like a 3rd option after Peja and Bibby makes (a little) sense. Corliss off the pine does too. I can even follow where you're headed with Skinner. But are these three guys worth Webber, scoring 20 a game? I don't think so, and to me it sounds like Philly definitely came out ahead in the deal.

[adidas11]

Spurminator, C-Webb doesn't have much of a post game anymore. He's almost strictly a jump shooter.

[timvp]

IMO, Webber will turn into another Glenn Robinson for the Sixers. He'll be a dead weight contract before too much longer.

[1Parker1]

WOW! I am speechless. If this doesn't get people around here to stop talking football and the damn Eagles, I don't know what will!

Weird trade though, never saw it coming. I didn't even know we were looking at C WEBB. Kenny Thomas will be missed though.

[PM5K]

This forum has highly overrated him.

I think you've underrated him, let's meet somewhere in the middle :spin

[baseline bum]

What the hell was Sacramento thinking? Stojakovic isn't a guy to build a team around because he does nothing well besides shoot and he is a notorious choker in the playoffs. I know Webber has that rep, but he put up huge numbers in that series with LA and ofthen was the only person doing shit for them (see the 2nd half of game 4). Webber made that team what it was and he didn't deserve to get done like that for some crybaby shooter.

At the same time, I'm very excited about this trade. I'm a huge AI fan and I've hated seeing him busting his ass for a team that's not ready to make a move right now. I've never respected any of the rest of Sac's core anyways, except for its point guards (Jackson and Bibby). The Kings just bolted their window of opportunity shut and I don't see how they're ever going to become good again.

RIP Sacramento Kings

[exstatic]

First Christie, now C-Webb. Strange times.

Older players. Big contracts. Do the math.

[1Parker1]

AI
Iggy
Korver
Webber
Dalambert

That's gonna be a fun team to watch.

Agreed, especially in our weak division.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What's sad is that those three sent to the Kings matchup identically to CWeb salary wise after Kenny's trade kicker, for the same # of years.

[Rummpd]

I also want to add that all the talk around Philly was if a trade was made it would be to either Minn Robinson for Spreewell or a package that included one of their young guards, especially Willie Green.

This is totally out of the blue and the local sport talk here is going nuts, talking about a possible East title run - that probably overboard but this will at least keep AI happy and this team could make it to the semis and test any of the 3 supposed elite with now a true 2nd star on team potentially.

Time will tell.

[jalbre6]

IMO, Webber will turn into another Glenn Robinson for the Sixers. He'll be a dead weight contract before too much longer.

Then they are truly fucked with two contracts like that polluting their cap space. But in my mind anyway Webber is worth more than Corliss Williamson, Brian "I sucked at Baylor" Skinner, and Kenny Thomas.

I guess we should be happy. One weapon sent out of conference.

[Kori Ellis]

What's sad is that those three sent to the Kings matchup identically to CWeb salary wise after Kenny's trade kicker, for the same # of years.

Yeah, this wasn't a money move. It was just to keep Peja happy and in Sacramento.

[baseline bum]

Webber is the most underrated player in the league. 21.3, 9.7, and 5.5 per don't lie. Throw in a steal and a half and 80% from the line too. He's not Webber circa 2000, but he's still a top 15 player.

[ChumpDumper]

Philly should've tried to add Robinson/Green for Mobley+ or something else. Sacto comes off a bit eager in this deal.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, this wasn't a money move.I'd hold off to see if they keep everyone they got.

[1Parker1]

^^Interesting. A Mobley addtion would have been nice. He would have been closer to his girlfriend Stevie Franchise too :)

[ShoogarBear]

Cherce quotes from KingsFans.com:


My god this sucks.......just shoot me now. Peja, you better get over your bruised uterus and get your wimp *** back on the court.



Uh, WHY? I could understand if it was for expiring contracts, but it's not. And they don't even get Dalembert in the deal?


this isnt a "Hum" trade in the least. its a screaming a the top of your lungs "what the **** are you doing" kinda trade.


WHAT????? Let me breath... and finish my dinner OMG this is not good at first glance


This is the worst day in the history of basketball!!!


I can't believe we got Corliss back. This trade SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! Guess Petrie gave up on the season. Dammit....why didn't they do this before I paid for my playoff tickets.


i have the worst headache EVER right now

god help us


i cant believe kings management would jsut give up on this season like that. i mean, god....i dont even have words to describe how angry i am. i've never been for trading webber, cuz i've always been about whats best for the team. and if trading webber happens to be best for the team, then i'm for it....but not for these 3 schmucks. we absolutely do not get better in this trade, and that makes me sooo angry i could ****ing spit.


I'd rather just trade Webber without getting those players!!!!


i can just hear all of the basketball nation laughing at us


It cant be something with Webbers knee... He still has to pass the physical... This is absolutely dispicible... HE chose Peja over Webber, that is the bottom line... JESUS... KENNY THOMAS?! CORLISS WILLIAMSON!!!!! WTF!!!


Well I just exercised my season ticket holder privilege and ripped Geoff a new one in an email I sent off.


I can't STAND Shaquille O'Neal, but he hit it on the nose when he said a couple of years ago that if the Kings didn't keep Webber, they would go back to "Expansionism".

[jalbre6]

Sacto comes off a bit eager in this deal.

Yup, I agree. Why didn't they shop with Golden State? New Orleans?

[baseline bum]

Dude's still only 32. Philly raped them every bit as badly as Miami did to LA. What the fuck do they smoke here on the West Coast...... oh yeah :hat

no wonder crazy shit like that doesn't happen back in Texas

[timvp]

It was thought that nobody in the league would touch Webber other than the Knicks. Everyone knows how close he is to an injury disaster.

I've watched him play a lot this season and although he's putting up the stats, he has no lateral movement and his quickness is gone. He's turned into a deadly spot up shooter who can rebound some and pass really well, but also remember that is the Kings' system. They feature the bigmen and make them look like great passers.

Divac, Webber and BMiller are all good passers, but not the Magic Johnson level passers the Princeton Cut offense would make it seem.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

how well will AI share the ball here, and does this make dalembert expendable?

[exstatic]

Yup, I agree. Why didn't they shop with Golden State? New Orleans?

Both of those teams are in the West.

[exstatic]

Sacto had to do something. All of their little Princesses started a meltdown right after their All Star Snubs.

[baseline bum]

Webber and Divac made that offense what it was. You could see that it wasn't running as well without Divac and now with Webber gone they should scrap that. Miller isn't half the passer Webber is.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

RobtoDunc

I don't think this makes Sammy expendable, I think it makes him a better player.

[ChumpDumper]

does this make dalembert expendable?God no. They have to get another big man there with a quickness. They're not done.

[1Parker1]

I just think its nice that AI finally has a bonafied star on the team after all these years and someone to share the burden. Give Kyle Korver a few years to develop and the rookie AI, Sixers finally have a good team, especially in the weak east.

[jalbre6]

Meet your Kingsfans.com alteregos!!!


My god this sucks.......just shoot me now. Peja, you better get over your bruised uterus and get your wimp *** back on the court - whottt


Uh, WHY? I could understand if it was for expiring contracts, but it's not. And they don't even get Dalembert in the deal? - AHF


this isnt a "Hum" trade in the least. its a screaming a the top of your lungs "what the **** are you doing" kinda trade - smeagol


WHAT????? Let me breath... and finish my dinner OMG this is not good at first glance - rummpd


This is the worst day in the history of basketball!!! - walton


I can't believe we got Corliss back. This trade SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!! Guess Petrie gave up on the season. Dammit....why didn't they do this before I paid for my playoff tickets. - sequspur


have the worst headache EVER right now
god help us - ducks


i cant believe kings management would jsut give up on this season like that. i mean, god....i dont even have words to describe how angry i am. i've never been for trading webber, cuz i've always been about whats best for the team. and if trading webber happens to be best for the team, then i'm for it....but not for these 3 schmucks. we absolutely do not get better in this trade, and that makes me sooo angry i could ****ing spit. - alvarez


I'd rather just trade Webber without getting those players!!!! - twohandjam


i can just hear all of the basketball nation laughing at us - zstomp


It cant be something with Webbers knee... He still has to pass the physical... This is absolutely dispicible... HE chose Peja over Webber, that is the bottom line... JESUS... KENNY THOMAS?! CORLISS WILLIAMSON!!!!! WTF!!! - HookDem


Well I just exercised my season ticket holder privilege and ripped Geoff a new one in an email I sent off. - timvp


I can't STAND Shaquille O'Neal, but he hit it on the nose when he said a couple of years ago that if the Kings didn't keep Webber, they would go back to "Expansionism". - bigzak

[timvp]

Webber and Divac made that offense what it was. You could see that it wasn't running as well without Divac and now with Webber gone they should scrap that. Miller isn't half the passer Webber is.

Last year they were pretty much the same in APG and this year it's Webber at 5.5 and Miller at 3.9.

Pretty close.

:smokin


P.S.

Greg Ostertag is averaging like 2.5 assists per 48 minutes playing the bigman role in that offense and even led the team in assists in a game against the Spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

They have to get another big man there with a quickness.Ah, forgot about Josh Davis and Bradley, but I still think the other shoe might drop tomorrow (GRob).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kyle Korver doesn't need a few years to develop. he's at the top of the league dropping threes and is nearly averaging a double double.

[ducks]

this is ducks first post in this thread
I think getting rid of webber is smarter then peja
webber made the kings worse last year
webber is also a known drug addict

[whottt]

Kyle Korver doesn't need a few years to develop. he's at the top of the league dropping threes and is nearly averaging a double double.

:wtf

You should have taken Math at UT..

[jalbre6]

Yup, I agree. Why didn't they shop with Golden State? New Orleans?
Both of those teams are in the West.

Funny enough, it looks like those two teams had their own deal working.

[MannyIsGod]

He's a 20-10 player, even if he's playing on one knee.

Good move for Philly, but nto good enough.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

whott, more like verified his stats before I spoke :lol

[Duff McCartney]

"This is the first time Allen Iverson has had a legitimate, All-Star low post threat," said Tim Legler, an ESPN NBA analyst and Insider contributor.

Tim Legler is a fucking retard, Webber hasn't been a low-post threat in two years. The only thing Webber has is an outside shot, he can't run, he can't post up, and he can't defend.

[milkyway21]

...could be the East's most potent dous...
AI- 29ppg
Webber-21ppg
=50ppg + Korver
....Scary!

[Useruser666]

Last year they were pretty much the same in APG and this year it's Webber at 5.5 and Miller at 3.9.

Pretty close.

:smokin


P.S.

Greg Ostertag is averaging like 2.5 assists per 48 minutes playing the bigman role in that offense and even led the team in assists in a game against the Spurs.

You mean the game where the Spurs blew the Kings out by like 30?

The game where they had a total of 8 assists and the Oyster led them with 3? :lol

[timvp]

Exactly.

When Ostertag is getting close to half your team's number of assists, you know you are in a bigman passing system.

[Useruser666]

Exactly.

When Ostertag is getting close to half your team's number of assists, you know you are in a bigman passing system.

Pfffft!!!!!!!! :lol

I'm not arguing that Sac isn't that type of system, but it's pretty funny that you would use that one game as an example!

[T Park]

Tim Legler is a fucking retard, Webber hasn't been a low-post threat in two years.


Duff go back to studying retard 101 and wasting Jim's money cause you dont watch the game for shit.


Legler is right.

Webber is a low post player and in the east will quite damn good.


21 and 10 with the Sixers down low next to Iverson??

Pretty serious.

[ALVAREZ6]

Sixers also get Mashburn baby!!! Webber , Mash, and AI, can't wait!

As I am a Spurs fan, I'm also a Sixers fan, so I'm extremely happy!

[Slo spurs fan]

Sixers also get Mashburn baby!!! Webber , Mash, and AI, can't wait!

As I am a Spurs fan, I'm also a Sixers fan, so I'm extremely happy!

How can you be a fan of two teams? I guess that you are a 76'ers and Manu (but not Spurs) fan.

[Kori Ellis]

Webber , Mash, and AI, can't wait!

You know that Mashburn is finished and likely retiring, right?

[Streakyshooter08]

Sixers also get Mashburn baby!!! Webber , Mash, and AI, can't wait!

As I am a Spurs fan, I'm also a Sixers fan, so I'm extremely happy!

Mash won't play this season. Maybe he will retire after this year. Rogers is a good pickup for them. I am happy for AI, he won't win a champinship but they will definetly be better from now on.

[Egg]

sorry to dissapoint you Alvie, but Mashburn's gonna retire...

At this stage I maybe able to play better than Mash

[ALVAREZ6]

I know that Mash is retire but who cares, I like him.

The Sixers traded Glenn Robinson who didn't even play a game yet, and no team was willing to take this scrub. We traded him for Rogers and Mash, and I would rather have Mash sitting on the sidelines or whatnot than Robinson

[ALVAREZ6]

How can you be a fan of two teams? I guess that you are a 76'ers and Manu (but not Spurs) fan.
I've lived most of my life in this area, and I was a Sixers fan before a Spurs fan, but yes, I can be a fan of both teams.

I don't know how you can't see that.

[timvp]

Webber is sucking it up just as I suspected. He's whining, playing horribly and his assists have been cut in half. He was a system player in Sacramento and now that he's in a pick-and-roll offense, he's a fish out of water.

Kenny Thomas is averaging 11 and 8 on 48% shooting. Corliss Williamson is averaging 9 and 3 on 48% shooting. Brian Skinner is averaging 9 and 8 and 2.3 blocks on 57% shooting.

This was a genius move by the Kings. They got rid of the overrated and broken Chris Webber and his contract, while picking up three solid interior players.

Props.

[ducks]

I think webber will demand to be traded. He has already been booed!
He hated that with kings!

[exstatic]

How many years does Chrissy have left on her contract?

[timvp]

How many years does Chrissy have left on her contract?

According to this website (http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/philadelphia.htm), four years at close to $80M. If that's true, the Sixers got OWNED on this trade.

WTF were they thinking?

:wtf

[exstatic]

They're fucked. I agree that he was a system player in Sacto, and now that he's out of that comfort zone, he'll never put up those all-around numbers again, and Philly is stuck with him. I take that back. Isaiah may be stupid enough to bite if Philly can get to him this summer during the draft/FA period. No one else, though.

Two of the best FA's that SA didn't sign:
Chrissy Webber and Dog Crispy.

[ducks]

I think you can add Jason Kidd to that list also