Report: Spurs send Rose to Knicks for Nazr Mohammed

[mrose31]

Looks like there is something on espn but does not say anything.

[mrose31]

in top corner espn it says rockets, knicks, and spurs trades but only shows rockets trade when you click on it.

[usckk]

The Spurs probably didn't have any trades. If there were, it would be on ESPN News by now.

[David@SLCC]

New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs-Houston Rockets: The Knicks are in the process of adding more big salaries to their roster.

Two league sources told ESPN Insider Chad Ford that New York has traded Nazr Mohammed and Jamison Brewer to the Spurs for Malik Rose and a first-round pick.

The Knicks also traded Vin Baker and Moochie Norris to the Rockets for Maurice Taylor and a first-round pick, Ford reports.

Once again, team president Isiah Thomas is willing to take back huge contracts to get more talent. In the Spurs deal, the Knicks are sending back $5.5 million in future salaries for the remaining four years, $27.3 million of Rose's contract.

In the Rockets deal, Thomas is sending back $8 million in future salaries and getting back $18 million in return. In total, the Knicks, who have the largest payroll in the league, will add an extra $32 million in future salaries.

For the Rockets, this trade was a salary dump and an effort to shore up a thin point-guard crop.

For the Spurs, not only did the clear $21 million in long term salary, they got another legit center in Mohammed -- something the team felt the desperately needed.


Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1998814

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

from espn.


league sources told ESPN Insider Chad Ford that New York has traded Nazr Mohammed and Jamison Brewer to the Spurs for Malik Rose and a first-round pick.

[mrose31]

Bye Malik, it seems like Mohammed and Brewer for rose and 1st round draft pick.

[kolko]

Malik Traded!!!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Spurs get a backup backup point in Brewer.

A legit center in Nazr, and his contract is up after 2006.

Good deal!

[kolko]

Someone needs to be cut. We have 16 players now.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

WOW... amazing deal for the spurs

[Shelly]

wow!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Dear Isiah:

Thanks for being a sucker.

-Spurs fans

[genghisrex]

Wow.

[Useruser666]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1998814

New York Knicks-San Antonio Spurs-Houston Rockets: The Knicks are in the process of adding more big salaries to their roster.

Two league sources told ESPN Insider Chad Ford that New York has traded Nazr Mohammed and Jamison Brewer to the Spurs for Malik Rose and a first-round pick.

Maurice Taylor
Taylor

Malik Rose
Rose

The Knicks also traded Vin Baker and Moochie Norris to the Rockets for Maurice Taylor and a first-round pick, Ford reports.

Once again, team president Isiah Thomas is willing to take back huge contracts to get more talent. In the Spurs deal, the Knicks are sending back $5.5 million in future salaries for the remaining four years, $27.3 million of Rose's contract.

In the Rockets deal, Thomas is sending back $8 million in future salaries and getting back $18 million in return. In total, the Knicks, who have the largest payroll in the league, will add an extra $32 million in future salaries.

For the Rockets, this trade was a salary dump and an effort to shore up a thin point-guard crop.

For the Spurs, not only did the clear $21 million in long term salary, they got another legit center in Mohammed -- something the team felt the desperately needed.






Take down the banner in SBC center called "Rose's Roses" and put up "Nazr'a Nook"! :lol

[exstatic]

I think Brewer gets cut. Nazr Mohammed is a relatively talented big. Nice trade, if true.

[Phenomanul]

10+ pages predicted length of this thread.......

[texbound]

This is great deal for the Spurs. Too bad they can't turn around and trade Rasho now. Nazr is a solid pickup. Big body, who can actually score down low. Again, great deal RC and Pop.

[Shelly]

I guess Spursgal will be moving to NYC now....

[usckk]

WTF? Is this true?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Damn, this is a good trade! RC and Pop do it again. Best front office in da league.

[usckk]

Awesome!

[Useruser666]

So is Rose's jersey going to be retired at the SBC center or MSG? :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11154

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I guess Spursgal will be moving to NYC now....

Cue psychotic stalker breakdown in 3....2....1

[usckk]

Love this trade, if it is true that is.

[lessthannick11]

someone check if blondie is still alive

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~clee1750/malik.jpg

Farewell and Godspeed, Soldier.

[bigzak25]

well, at least she got to see him in his last game....

bye malik...wish you were a little bit taller.... :(

[SpursWoman]

Hooollllly shit............I never thought this would actually happen..... :wow :wow :wow



Edit: To add: :( :(

[mrose31]

Damn I am disappointed that Rose is gone but it is a good trade for the spurs.

[Shelly]

I dunno why...but I feel like somebody just died!

[waly.mg]

The Ring is Coming

And Comeon Rasho or you are going to the Doghouse

[Useruser666]

Thank god there are teams like NY!

[waly.mg]

Finnally Pop can tarde Malik, how many years take it?

[usckk]

I bet Brewer would be put in the IR. He sucks.

[texbumTHElife]

Confirmed by a friend in the Spurs FO. Sweet ass job Pop! Nazr is a perfect fit!

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs have to get rid of someone now.

[Useruser666]

San Antonio trades: PF Malik Rose (6.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.2 minutes)
San Antonio receives: PG Jamison Brewer (1.7 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (10.9 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 28.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.3 ppg, +4.8 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

New York trades: PG Jamison Brewer (1.7 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.3 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (10.9 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 0.5 apg in 28.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Malik Rose (6.3 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 17.2 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -6.3 ppg, -4.8 rpg, and -0.4 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Holy shit!!! What is with Isiah????

[exstatic]

There's no rooom on IR, and he sucks. Wouldn't the Spurs actually have to cut someone before this trade could happen?

[Phenomanul]

You all make it sound like Malik was a cancer to the team....

Malik is a decent player who happenned to get on Pop's bad side.....

resulting in less playing time, diminished productivity, and lackluster performances...

When given time to get in rythym though, Malik more often than not played his role well...

[travis2]

mentioned on STSA...not official yet...

[kolko]

I bet Brewer would be put in the IR. He sucks.

He or Wilks will be cut. We have 16 players right now.

[Phenomanul]

In New York hopefully he'll get the PT to show how good a player he can be....

[usckk]

Then the Spurs would get ride of Marks.

[ducks]

I feel bad new york media will rip rose

[MannyIsGod]

man. I feel like someone just shot me in the chest.

I know Nazr isn't bad. But, it was Malik.

I hope he fucking kicks ass in NY. Malik will always be one of my favorite players.

[usckk]

Maybe afterwards cut Brewer and sign Marks back again.

[genghisrex]

Kurt Thomas, Mike Sweetney, Jerome Williams, Malik Rose, and Maurice Taylor? Yikes.

[Marcus Bryant]

At least the Spurs ended up with a big who isn't afraid to play in the paint. Hopefully he fits in.

[Spurminator]

I'm sad. Malik frustrated me sometimes as a player, but I've always rooted for him because I like him as a person.

Can't say I don't like the trade though. Very good grab for the Spurs.

[boutons]

"I dunno why...but I feel like somebody just died!"

Shelly, you're such a wimp. :) ME TOO!

I have regrets about losing Malik. For all the bad history, Malik, a "nice Spur guy" and a Spur ancient veteran, seemed to be turning the corner definitively, ready to contribute as much as ever.

oh well, "NBA is a business", and businesses can do whatever TF they want, as long as it makes $$$.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm glad we got a good player though.

Fuck, I love Malik though.

[duncan2k5]

damn. i feel sad. remember all those games where he would be tied then we would miss a shot then out of nowhere 'Lik grabs a rebound and we all would go crazy? like last night when he hit that big baseline jumper i went sick! he won a ring with us man. he would have wona nother this year. i live the kid. he is a spur for life in my book. we miss u malik.

[Nikos]

Man, I wish Malik luck. Sad to see him go, he was a great asset for the team when he was not in the doghouse. Who knows what could have happened if Malik got consistent time, but for whatever reason Pop did not use him (Horry playing over Malik).

Thank you Malik for your work in 0203 as one of the better bench players in the league. Thanks for your energy in the years before that as well. You were rock solid for a few years, unfortunely things did not work out.

This a nice trade considering the circumstances. Nazr is a SOLID big man underneath. He can help in a lot of areas. Spurs essentially are getting Nazr in a salary dump. Provided he continues his solid rebounding and efficient play in SA, then this is an excellent trade.

[TDominant]

Great move, once again pop and RC put the rest of the league in their rear view mirror.
sucks to see malik go but i had a tremendous feeling this was going to happen, pop used last 10 games to showcase malik, it just seemed awkward that horry was getting the DNP and malik was getting playing time.

good luck malik. prove us wrong.

[maxpower]

It's sad to see malik go...but hopefully Nazr will be able to mesh with Tim....

[exstatic]

Malik was a good guy, but didn't have the size necessary to play in the WC. He should do very will in the EC. Spurs get a legit backup pivot who mixes it up in the paint. His numbers in about the same minutes as Rasho (28.1) are 10.9p/8.1r. Nice snag, RC.

[usckk]

I bet Malik is pissed.

[maxpower]

Who's seen Nazr play? I know he was averaging 11 pts 8 boards and under 1 block but that is in the east and with NY...I wonder how that will translate to the West and Spurs system?

[Useruser666]

It's sad for me to see Malik go......I will never be able to enjoy yelling at him when he dribbles the ball off his foot and out of bounds again! Damnit!

Seriously, it's sad. He was a good player and had a great personality. I will miss his commercials.

I do believe this is a good trade for the Spurs.



Player Profile
Nazr Mohammed | 13
Position: C
Born: 09/05/77
Height: 6-10 / 2,08
Weight: 250 lbs. / 113,4 kg.
College - Kentucky '99

2004-05 Statistics
REBOUNDS PER GAME
TEAM G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
NYK 54 54 28.1 234-460 .509 0-1 .000 121-171 .708 3.10 5.00 8.10 .5 .98 .98 1.50 3.20 10.9
Career Highlights



* Scored his 1,000th career point on January 29, 2002 against the Lakers.
* Had a career-high 30 points on November 5, 2001 at the LA Clippers.
* Started 22 games in 2000-01
* Averaged 18.9 ppg and 12.9 rpg over last nine games of 2000-01
* Made his NBA debut in a 78-66 win over the Charlotte Hornets on 2/5/99
* A member of the 1998 NCAA champion Kentucky Wildcats
* Recorded the 4th-best single-season field-goal percentage (.597) in Kentucky history in 1997-98


Personal


Nazr Tahiru Mohammed...First name is pronounced NAH-zee...Nazr and wife Mandy were married in 2001 and are proud parents of a daughter, Amani...Studied business management at Kentucky...Brother Alhaji played at Louisville under Rick Pitino...Favorites: Music artists: Jay-Z and Brian McKnight; movie: Scarface; TV shows: The Cosby Show and Seinfeld; food: spaghetti...Considers winning the ’98 NCAA Championship his biggest thrill in sports...Person he most admires is Andre Feavy, his junior varsity basketball coach...Hometown of Chicago, where he starred at Kenwood High, is his favorite place to visit...During Atlanta stint, served as spokesperson for the Hawks’ “Home Team Hero” award, which recognizes individuals who make a difference in their local communities...Wears No. 13 in honor of Wilt Chamberlain and former teammate Glenn Robinson...Donned No. 13 with Knicks on the same day Alex Rodriguez first wore No. 13 for Yankees.

Season Highs / Career Highs
2004-05 HIGHS CAREER HIGHS
Points 25 @ Toronto 11/24/04 30 @ L.A. Clippers 11/05/01
Field Goals Made 9 3 Times 14 @ L.A. Clippers 11/05/01
Field Goals Attempted 16 @ Indiana 11/13/04 21 @ L.A. Clippers 11/05/01
Three Point Field Goals Made None None
Three Point Field Goals Attempted 1 @ L.A. Clippers 1/31/05 1 3 Times
Free Throws Made 10 @ Boston 12/22/04 10 @ Boston 12/22/04
Free Throws Attempted 11 @ Boston12/22/04 11 @ Boston12/22/04
Offensive Rebounds 11 @ Indiana 11/13/04 11 @ Indiana 11/13/04
Defensive Rebounds 10 4 Times 13 2 Times
Total Rebounds 18 @ Boston 12/22/04 19 2 Times
Assists 3 @ Orlando 12/27/04 3 5 Times
Steals 4 2 Times 4 2 Times
Blocks 8 @ New Jersey 12/14/04 8 @ New Jersey 12/14/04
Minutes Played 46 vs. Detroit 12/15/04 46 vs. Detroit 12/15/04
created: 02/24/2005 03.12.am
CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
98-99 PHI 26 0 4.7 .357 .000 .571 .70 .70 1.40 .1 .19 .15 .46 .80 1.6
99-00 PHI 28 3 6.8 .389 .000 .545 .60 1.20 1.80 .1 .14 .43 .64 1.00 1.9
00-01 PHI 30 3 6.5 .466 .000 .500 .60 1.20 1.80 .1 .20 .23 .30 1.30 3.2
00-01 ATL 28 19 25.6 .480 .000 .765 3.50 5.50 9.00 .6 .82 1.00 1.96 2.60 12.3
00-01 -- 58 22 15.7 .477 .000 .706 2.00 3.30 5.30 .3 .50 .60 1.10 1.90 7.6
01-02 ATL 82 73 26.4 .461 .000 .617 3.00 5.00 7.90 .4 .77 .74 1.44 3.10 9.7
02-03 ATL 35 0 12.7 .421 .000 .634 1.30 2.30 3.70 .2 .46 .60 .71 2.30 4.6
03-04 ATL 53 1 17.7 .493 .000 .627 1.90 3.10 5.00 .4 .42 .51 1.04 2.10 6.5
03-04 NYK 27 23 24.9 .563 .000 .525 2.90 4.80 7.70 .6 1.22 .93 1.52 3.00 9.1
03-04 -- 80 24 20.1 .521 .000 .592 2.20 3.70 5.90 .5 .69 .65 1.20 2.40 7.4
04-05 NYK 54 54 28.1 .509 .000 .708 3.10 5.00 8.10 .5 .98 .98 1.50 3.20 10.9
Career 363 176 19.2 .480 .000 .644 2.20 3.60 5.70 .3 .62 .66 1.14 2.40 7.4
Playoff 7 4 14.3 .500 .000 .688 1.40 1.90 3.30 .1 .86 .43 1.00 2.60 5.9


This was taken from his bio in the field above:

During Atlanta stint, served as spokesperson for the Hawks’ “Home Team Hero” award, which recognizes individuals who make a difference in their local communities..

[mysterious_elf26]

This is an awesome trade. They add a big body that could play D and offense. Man, I was a fan of Mohammed since his days in Kentucky when they compared him to Shaq. As for the 1st round pick they lose. No problem, they'll be adding Scola and possibly a quality 7 foot player from Lithuania. I can't think of his name right now. The spurs are good and they're getting better. Look for SA to try to get rid of Rasho NEXT year about the same time as Rose is being dealt this year.

They mentioned something about us needing to counter Miami, well I think we just did.

[Jimcs50]

This sucks.

Giving up someone that plays as hard as Rose just plain sucks.

Fuckyou Pop!!!

[bigzak25]

Jan 1st article bout NazMo.

link (http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/sport/archives/2005/01/01/2003217638)

Knicks' Nazr Mohammed among East's best centers

NY TIMES NEWS SERVICE , NEW YORK
Saturday, Jan 01, 2005,Page 20

Nazr Mohammed has never given himself a clever nickname or made a rap CD, and he would not know how to start a superstar feud. Shaquille O'Neal he is not.

But Mohammed has, unexpectedly, become perhaps the best Eastern Conference center not residing in south Florida. Or the most consistently productive one, anyway.

Mohammed, the Knicks' starting center, is averaging career highs of 12.5 points and 9.3 rebounds. He is also shooting 53.2 percent from the field. His hustle and grit have helped the Knicks (16-13) to first place in the Atlantic Division. And his steady production has put him squarely in the conversation about who should back up O'Neal in the All-Star Game on Feb. 20 in Denver.

"I think he's in that discussion," Isiah Thomas, the Knicks' president, said. "I know the thing that the coaches value the most is his work ethic, the way he approaches the game every night and the way he does the dirty work inside the paint. He's not flashy; he's effective. He's just a worker."

O'Neal, of the Miami Heat, is a lock to start in the All-Star Game; he leads the voting for Eastern Conference players. Detroit's Ben Wallace will be a favorite when the coaches select reserves in late January, and Cleveland's Zydrunas Ilgauskas will receive heavy consideration.

Mohammed cannot match the popularity or the flair (or hair) of Wallace, but he may be the best qualified to be O'Neal's backup in Denver. Mohammed has recorded 11 double-doubles, as many as Houston's Yao Ming; among centers, they are second only to O'Neal, who has 17.

Entering Thursday's games, Mohammed was third among centers in rebounding average, behind Wallace (12.6) and O'Neal (10.8), and second in offensive rebounds (3.8), also behind Wallace (4.6). Wallace also had the edge on Mohammed in blocked shots, with 2.89 a game to 1.17. But Mohammed was ahead of Wallace in scoring average (12.5 to 9.9), field-goal percentage (53.2 to 44.3) and free-throw percentage (74.3 to 47.2).

Mohammed has scored in double digits in 18 of 29 games this season; he has not missed a game. Wallace has scored in double figures in 9 of 19 games; he served a six-game suspension for his role in the Nov. 19 brawl at the end of the Pacers-Pistons game. Mohammed, ever unassuming, chuckled softly when the possibility of being an All-Star was mentioned.

"Hey, shoot, keep passing it on, keep the buzz," he said. "I can't lie. I would be ecstatic. Just my name being mentioned is a great achievement for me. I wouldn't know how to react. I wouldn't have thought I'd have an opportunity like that."

Even Knicks officials have been pleasantly surprised by how far Mohammed has come since they acquired him in February in a three-team deal. Although Tim Thomas was viewed as the key pickup, "I wouldn't have made the deal without Mohammed," Isiah Thomas said.

Mohammed's name was not even placed on this year's ballot for the All-Star Game. The omission was understandable. Mohammed, 27, was not considered a full-time starter, and only once has he averaged more than nine points or seven rebounds in a season. As the preseason came to a close, he was still battling Vin Baker for the starting role. Both struggled in October, but Mohammed struggled less and won the job.

In the first two weeks of the regular season, Mohammed often looked passive and sometimes lethargic. It was not until mid-November when Mohammed, a devout Muslim, revealed he had been fasting for Ramadan and had lost seven or eight pounds. His game took off after that. In the nine games from Nov. 13 to 30, he averaged 15.8 points and 11.2 rebounds. Those are All-Star numbers.

"There's Shaq and there's Yao, and after that I think it's pretty much a coin toss, depending on what type of center you want," Mohammed said. "On a team like ours, my job is to defend, rebound and when my teammates get me the ball, I'm able to score when I'm given a chance. And we're winning games. If you want a center like that, that's me."

Stephon Marbury regularly looks for Mohammed when he drives the lane, and his dump-off passes have led to easy shots.

"Everybody, they're getting more and more confidence in me," Mohammed said.

If the All-Star nod comes, Mohammed said he would be grateful. But he is pleased just to be starting every night for a first-place team. It is a refreshing change after spending years on the bench for the rarely relevant Atlanta Hawks.

"It's the opportunity that I've been waiting for, for a long time," he said. "I don't want to ever take steps back, so I'm just trying to improve, get better and eventually, one day, it won't just be consideration or buzz; it'll be like, `Hey, he deserves it.' So that's my goal."

[texbumTHElife]

NY uses a very wild big man rotation. Pretty much ever big on there roster plays some minutes and the minutes from game to game are very inconsistent. Nazr will benefit from much more stable minutes. He is a banger and a low post scorer with a good mid range jumper. IMO this is about the best deal we could hope for. We dump 27 million and a headache and get back 5.5 mill and a banger!

[Jimcs50]

And another thing.....why fuck with the best team with the best chemistry in the league at this point???

I hope we lose the championship now...fuck the Spurs.

[spur219]

Are you serious Mohammed. That is awesome. Mohammed is very good. Finally a good quality big man. Wait is this for real?

[ducks]

spurs got the better deal

[spurster]

Well, nothing is forever in the NBA. Malik had a good run on the Spurs and a great dunk over Mutombo. Sorry to see him go, but Nazr is a very good trade. On first glance, I think the Knicks got the bad end of the deal, but maybe this will end up being a trade improving both teams. The long-term salary cuts both ways. How much would the Knicks had to pay Nazr to keep him?

[Jimcs50]

Fuck Jim


Fuck a duck

[SLOVENIAN 8]

3 big mans!! :smokin Good when we play with Miami

[bigzak25]

found this quote in another article though....


Mohammed is a weak defender, who gives up position too early. Role players like Mark Blount drop 20+ points on him. And he isn't a shot blocking presence.

link (http://knicks.realgm.com/mwollert10.php)

another one....


Nazr Mohammed is having the best season of his NBA career. For the season, he's averaging 12.5 points, 55.5% shooting (3rd best in NBA) and 9.5 rebounds (15th best in NBA) per game. And those numbers don't even do him justice, as he started slowly but over the last few weeks has picked things up in a big way. InsideHoops.com credits some of his improvement to Mark Aquirre, who works the center out regularly and teaches him how to operate down low.

link (http://www.insidehoops.com/knicks-game-notes-121504.shtml)

[waly.mg]

Pop waives Brewer Tomorrow or soon

[Useruser666]

Calm down Jim, shit! We still got that Ducan dude! :lol

[BigVee]

And another thing.....why fuck with the best team with the best chemistry in the league at this point???

I hope we lose the championship now...fuck the Spurs.

Been nice hearing from you. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

[ShoogarBear]

J
Saturday, Jan 01, 2005,Page 20
Mohammed, the Knicks' starting center, is averaging career highs of 12.5 points and 9.3 rebounds. He is also shooting 53.2 percent from the field.

Of significance, those numbers have dropped off considerably since then.

He's now averaging 10.9-8.1 and shooting 51%.

[spur219]

Is the 1st round pick the one from the Suns.

[maxpower]

I like the dumping of the salary...although with some of the salaries I've seen...Malik's is no where near as bad as some make it out to be.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't argue with the trade, because Nazr is good. But man,it still sucks.

[Jimcs50]

Calm down Jim, shit! We still got that Ducan dude! :lol


Listen I have watched this Mohammed play and I am not impressed at all. Malik is twice the player and he was the heart and soul of the Spurs, he represented all that was good on the team, he always played 100%......this sucks.


Fuck Pop!!

[sungo99]

I have the salary details etc. posted in my blog if you're interested.

[exstatic]

Giving up someone that plays as hard as Rose just plain sucks.

Heart and hustle only go so far when you're a 6'5" power player in the WC, and Malik took that as far as he could.

[exstatic]

Jim, no one thinks that Nazr is a star, but given the choice between a 6'5" role player PF and a 6'10" role player PF/C, give me the size, especially in the West.

[boutons]

watcha think?

How long will it take him to pick up Spurs defensive rotations?

Could he be in the groove by the playoffs?

or will will Nazr spawn 100's of "bring back Malik" threads? :)

[Useruser666]

found this quote in another article though....



link (http://knicks.realgm.com/mwollert10.php)

another one....



link (http://www.insidehoops.com/knicks-game-notes-121504.shtml)


Nazr averages .98 bpg to Rose's .18! I know that's not a total indicator of defense, but still it's something. The quote you got was just off a Nick fan site. Just saying that is an oxymoron! :lol

[TheWriter]

Listen I have watched this Mohammed play and I am not impressed at all. Malik is twice the player and he was the heart and soul of the Spurs, he represented all that was good on the team, he always played 100%......this sucks.


Fuck Pop!!

If you stop being a Spurs fan. All the better. Will you stop posting too? Please say yes.

[waly.mg]

Uhh!! recien me lo confirmaron. Una lastima que se vaya Malik.

Veremos que tal es Nazr.

Saludos


http://manuginobili.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18818

[ladiesman]

So, Pop's Dog house is now vacant. I wonder who the next tenant will be. Maybe a vBookie poll is in order....

[waly.mg]

i Bet for Rasho

[S4Spur21]

I dunno why...but I feel like somebody just died!
He's been on the team a while, it kinda sucks to see him go since he was a likeable spur, well i liked him anyway.

[Useruser666]

Listen I have watched this Mohammed play and I am not impressed at all. Malik is twice the player and he was the heart and soul of the Spurs, he represented all that was good on the team, he always played 100%......this sucks.


Fuck Pop!!

No matter how loud or how much Pop yelled, Malik could not grow taller. There have been plenty of games where if you weren't a Spurs fan you wouldn't be impressed with Malik either. Hell, there are a lot of Spurs fans that weren't impressed with him. I will miss his hussle.

[waly.mg]

Malik takes a ring from SA, is enough

[TwoHandJam]

Seems like a good trade to me so far.

Pros: Big body with size who rebounds really well (#7 in offensive rbs)
Over 50% fg%.


Cons: Weak shotblocker.
Has been injury prone in the past.
Average ft shooter.

Overall I think we come out ahead since Malik wasn't a shotblocker either and his fg% was worse. Nazi should help Tim with bangers down low and he isn't afraid to throw it down.

Personally, I think Pop should try Rasho off the bench now that we have another legit center. Rasho just seems to play better when he's the only option down low.

[Useruser666]

^Agree....well maybe after a little work in time.

[ladiesman]

Malik takes a ring from SA, is enough
Actually he got 2.

[GoSpurs21]

And another thing.....why fuck with the best team with the best chemistry in the league at this point???

I hope we lose the championship now...fuck the Spurs.Please step to the ledge and jump and save all of us the time to put you on the ignore list.

Thanks Malik for the hustle...good luck in NY

[MannyIsGod]

Malik takes 2 rings, not just one. Are we sure this trade has gone down? I cna't find conformation of it anywhere.

[IceColdBrewski]

And another thing.....why fuck with the best team with the best chemistry in the league at this point???

I hope we lose the championship now...fuck the Spurs.


And you call yourself a Spurs fan?

Pathetic.

[PimpScourge]

Farewell, Malik. You shall be missed... :(

[sungo99]

A lot of you are missing the point --> $14.2 million.

[adidas11]

Good ridance. I couldn't stand him anyhow.

[timvp]

:depressed



P.S.

Jamison Brewer is the worst basketball player I ever saw.

[Kori Ellis]

I'd imagine they just cut Brewer, right?

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

i still havent seen this trade on ESpNNews, which is kinda weird

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not convinced yet

[sungo99]

I'd imagine they just cut Brewer, right?

Probably. They could cut Wilks, but he's been there a while and knows the system.

What's your opinion on the trade? And what's your job? I think I read that you're a sportswriter, but I'm new and clueless.

[ShoogarBear]

What's not to like about Brewer?

He's 6'4" and has a lifetime free throw percentage of .393!

That's got to be an NBA all-time record low for a guard.

[coachtf]

Yes!

I hate to see Malik go but Nazr is long and capable of playing effective defense in the system. He can put up some nice numbers and has worked hard as of late to improve on the block.

I like Wilks behind Tony and Beno. The Spurs will miss Malik energy wise when he is right but they now have some length to play with.

[exstatic]

Manny, the Spurs NEVER leak trades that aren't done.

[timvp]

Pop is a lucking fire.

:shootme

[SLOVENIAN 8]

On ESPN is Confirmed!!

[exstatic]

Pop is a lucking fire.

Um, why? He said they probably wouldn't do a deal, but that they were talking to as many teams as anyone. He probably didn't think that Isaiah would take the bait again.

CIA.

[coachtf]

@ :lol timvp

[Gummi]

I really like this trade for several reasons.

My first; Malik's contract was too much and now when the Spurs are trying to save some money after the signing of both Parker and Manu, it gives the Spurs more cap flexability. Brewer's contract is up after this season and Nazr has only one more year left, not three years like Malik.

Secondly; Nazr's size is great. He's got bulk and length. Malik had bulk but he didn't have length. Also Nazr has some shot blocking skills, Rose never had that. I haven't seen too much of Nazr this season so I can't really say if he's got a good jumpshot like Rose has, but if Nazr's touch is similar to what I've seen of him, I'm going to be happy.

And lastly; Now that the Heat are going to sign Zo, Nazr is going to be vital for us. He's basically the same size as Zo and a banger like him. Now we have Rasho, Duncan, and Nazr that will be our main big man bangers. Then we have Horry as more of a quicker/more athletic big. Then of course Mass, he'll be vital when playing against physical teams like Seattle, Detroit, and Miami.

I really like our big man rotation.

[Useruser666]

Nothing official yet. Hmmmmmm....


Did anyone else see the Knicks are adding another $32 million to their salary? :wow :lol

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs would have to cut someone BEFORE they make this trade. Right?

Hmmm....

[MannyIsGod]

I really like this trade for several reasons.

My first; Malik's contract was too much and now when the Spurs are trying to save some money after the signing of both Parker and Manu, it gives the Spurs more cap flexability. Brewer's contract is up after this season and Nazr has only one more year left, not three years like Malik.


Doesn't matter, the Spurs will still be over the cap. There is zero cap flexibility to be had

[exstatic]

Thank God we landed a 27 YO Nazr Mohammed and not a 41 YO (barely still) Warm Karl.

[Kori Ellis]

Probably. They could cut Wilks, but he's been there a while and knows the system.

Jamison Brewer is the worst NBA player I've ever seen. I hope they don't keep him over Wilks.

[Kori Ellis]

It's weird that the Knicks got Malik and Mo Taylor.

This has been a busy day.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

wait... so will the spurs have to cut someone before the trade is finalized, and then cut brewer and resign who they cut

[coachtf]

They better keep Wilks because Brewer is crap.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Isiah certainly isnt going for executive of the year this year

[Useruser666]

What about the trade kicker in Rose's contract?

[Jimcs50]

And you call yourself a Spurs fan?

Pathetic.

I am the biggest fan in this forum, hands down.

But when this franchise stabs a player in the back, a player that gave his heart and soul to the team for 6 yrs, it rubs me the wrong way. That and also with the fact that Pop lied to his team that they had nothing in the works even as early as yesterday, I lose 100% respect for the coach, a coach that I called the best coach in Spurs history for the past 5 yrs.

I am deeply saddened by this cut throat move and I can not see one good reason why they would make a move in midseason, a season that they have the best record, the best team and the best chemistry in the NBA. The Spurs have nowhere to go but down.....that is the facts....get it!!??

[tekdragon]

Jim, I can't believe you typed those words. Upset I understand. Rooting against the Spurs because they traded the worst contract on the team and got back a player that can actually help us? That's just sad. I hope you stick to your guns, though. GTFO, STFO.

I love Malik, but I love the trade more. Another excellent job by the best FO in the league.

Pop and RC...hats off.

[Jimcs50]

Have we not learned anything about tradeing with the Knicks in midseason????


Do you remember the last time we did this???

It fucked the franchise for yrs.

[BronxCowboy]

Damn, I'm so sad to see Malik go. He was one of my favorite current Spurs. I'm also not impressed with what I've seen of Mohammed, but I admit we could have done a lot worse. I hope it works out well for the Spurs and especially for Malik, because the Knicks fans can be rough on players. Hell, maybe I'll start watching the Knicks just to support Malik. But if it comes down to the Spurs and Knicks in the finals (ha ha) don't worry, I'm still on the Spurs side.

[Jimcs50]

At least I am finding out who my friends are.

Fuck you dicks.

Loyalty means a lot to me, and I guess it means nothing to any of you?

Mohammed blows big ones, I watch the League Pass every night, he is HORRIBLE.

[Useruser666]

Nothing has been confirmed yet. Jim, do you actually believe Pop lied? When has he ever said anything about team moves? He didn't even say anything about Elliott's jersey till the news conference.

[Marcus Bryant]

From a basketball standpoint the deal should be fine, as long as Mohammed fits, though giving up a draft pick is certainly not appealing given the recent success of the front office.

[ShoogarBear]

Knick fans will love Malik.

Who the hell else on that team hustles?

Plus Malik is well-educated and articulate as hell, the media will love him.

MB brings up a good point, why the hell are the Spurs so easy to give up first round picks?

[BronxCowboy]

One good by-product of this trade is that maybe Holt will now feel like he can afford to resign Devin. That would be nice. I sure hope they don't keep Brewer!!! :cuss

[Useruser666]

Jim, did Spurgal poses you or something? :lol

[Shelly]

Now, now, Jimbo...Take a deep breath and go flirt with someone! :)

[bigzak25]

lotta malik fans here Jimbo, but the sky is not falling...

obviously a salary dump move, but the trade could have been alot worse...
i'm sure we're all hoping naz's d proves more valuable than any bench scoring malik could have provided when the playoffs come around....

if naz don't work out, you can unload him next year....plus we all know scola's coming soon....high hopes for that guy...keep da faith bro.

[GoSpurs21]

I am the biggest fan in this forum, hands down.

But when this franchise stabs a player in the back, a player that gave his heart and soul to the team for 6 yrs, it rubs me the wrong way. That and also with the fact that Pop lied to his team that they had nothing in the works even as early as yesterday, I lose 100% respect for the coach, a coach that I called the best coach in Spurs history for the past 5 yrs.

I am deeply saddened by this cut throat move and I can not see one good reason why they would make a move in midseason, a season that they have the best record, the best team and the best chemistry in the NBA. The Spurs have nowhere to go but down.....that is the facts....get it!!??and you call yourself the biggest fan.....Jimcs creditability rating = none
from your last few post it seems like you are about 10 years old or just making for the best temper tantrum

[boutons]

Maybe Pooh could put ex-Pooh-cer Jamison up at Pooh's mom's house for Jamison's short stay in SA?

:)

[BronxCowboy]

Knick fans will love Malik.

Who the hell else on that team hustles?

Plus Malik is well-educated and articulate as hell, the media will love him.

You've never been to a Knick game or read the NY Post, have you?


MB brings up a good point, why the hell are the Spurs so easy to give up first round picks?
Probably had to throw in a draft pick to get them to take the salary.

[Marcus Bryant]

A benefit from the cheapness angle is that 1st rounders come with a multi-year guaranteed salary.

[infinite styles]

Damn its a good trade but you always hate to see one of your favorites go. I'm a miss Malik, I mean he always shined against teams like Dallas when we needed it, but on the other hand he would piss me off by not just playing. But the NBA is a business and I'm in the business of winning so if this helps our chances of winning the ring then I'm all for it.

P.S. What does this mean for Philly's Famous and the new one he was planning on opening up by my house. I'm pretty sure he'll keep them since he's an SA favorite. Oh well we'll see if the trades even official yet!

[timvp]

Well at least Nazr has a cool first name and is a lot better than a player like Cliff "The Playoffs Make Me Wet Myself" Robinson. Rose will be missed but I hope he tears up the Eastern Conference.

Good luck, Malik. You were a warrior and you leave with two rings. Spurs fans and management turned on you but there are still some of us around that believed in you. It's your time to shine.

:cry

[sungo99]

Knick fans will love Malik.

Who the hell else on that team hustles?

Plus Malik is well-educated and articulate as hell, the media will love him.

MB brings up a good point, why the hell are the Spurs so easy to give up first round picks?
Maybe because they already have four-five guys overseas who they want to bring over? Or maybe because they don't want to give guaranteed money to the 30th pick in the draft? Or maybe because an age limit will be included in the next CBA, rendering the next couple of drafts extremely weak?

[bigzak25]

plus one less guaranteed salary next year...(trade of 1st rounder)

[Duff McCartney]

At least I am finding out who my friends are.

Fuck you dicks.

Loyalty means a lot to me, and I guess it means nothing to any of you?

I hope you don't go Jim...I like having the Redskins/Cowboys debates.

[texbound]

Confirmed on ESPNews. Spurs trade Rose and 2 1st round picks for Nazr and Jamison

[jcrod]

Wow, if this is true, it's a good trade. I much as I loved Malik, he was too inconsistent. We know have a legit backup big man or starter over Rasho. AND we get rid of the horrible contract.

Maybe they trade Rasho next, now that we have another C, but I doubt they do that much turnaround with so little time left in the regular season.

[IceColdBrewski]

:lol @ Jim

"Fuck Pop, I hope the Spurs lose the Championship! p.s., I'm the biggest Spurs fan on this forum."

Too funny.

[texbound]

That's right. I said 2 1st round draft picks. It wasn't mentioned if they're back to back, but they said 2 1st round picks.

[Duff McCartney]

I think one of the weird things that Spurs fans might not be thinking is what if he turns out to be better than Malik off the bench?

They'll probably have to re-sign him in a year to a bigger contract than Maliks.

[bigzak25]

spurs and phoenix picks?

[coachtf]

Just want to clarify that my (yes!) was to answer Kori in response to cutting Brewer. I'm not and never will celebrate dealing Malik Rose who has huge BALLS and is a great team player.

The positives are that we get some cap relief down the road and we add length to the roster. Malik is going to be missed in more than just energy but his heart and loyalty as well.

[Spurminator]

So, how is it pronounced? "NAzzer," "NaZIR," or "AntWAN"?

[Marcus Bryant]

From a basketball angle I'd say this deal is a wash to perhaps a slight disadvantage to the Spurs. Mohammed's put up decent stats in the bigman starved East, yet Malik was proven in the Spurs' system and was a proven playoff performer. The 3 inches or whatever that Mohammed has on Malik means a lot less than what some here believe. The draft pick is more than I would like to have seen given up from a talent perspective.

From a financial perspective it's a good day for Holt Cat. Not only do the Spurs reduce their salary commitment from the 4 years on Malik's contract to the 2 remaining after this season on Mohammed's, but they also lose the guaranteed salary that comes along with a future 1st round pick.

At least the Spurs didn't deal Rose for the rotting corpse of Cliff Robinson's career to make a few extra bucks.

[Useruser666]

Confirmed on ESPNews. Spurs trade Rose and 2 1st round picks for Nazr and Jamison

2 first rounders? For Jamison now and not Brewer?

[MannyIsGod]

There is one reason the spurs trade 1st round picks, and one reason alone.

Guarnteed Contracts.

[texbound]

Jamison Brewer

[Extra Stout]

So, how is it pronounced? "NAzzer," "NaZIR," or "AntWAN"?

"NAH-zee." I think there's a little gutteral sound at the end, like the "r" in "bonjour," but we Anglophones can ignore it.

Remember it's "NAH-zee," not "NAH-tsee."

[PM5K]

Jamison Brewer

[Marcus Bryant]

Jamison is Brewer.

Well looks like the Spurs just doubled their pleasure with the picks. If Mohammed doesn't break into the starting lineup this deal really looks like less to be excited about. Spurs will also find themselves potentially having to re-sign Mohammed in about 2 years.

[infinite styles]

March 21 @ MSG the Spurs and Malik re-unite

[Spurminator]

Oh, so it really IS "Na-zee"... I always thought that was just his nickname, like "Timmy" or "Baggy."

[timvp]

For those who didn't know, Nazr was like 400 pounds when he got to Kentucky. He worked hard and has made a career for himself. He's injury prone and can still balloon sometimes, but when the other options are Karl Malone and Cliff Robinson ... I'll take him.

[Jimcs50]

For those who didn't know, Nazr was like 400 pounds when he got to Kentucky. He worked hard and has made a career for himself. He's injury prone and can still balloon sometimes, but when the other options are Karl Malone and Cliff Robinson ... I'll take him.

Can you explain why they had to make this trade now, and not look for a better player in the offseason?

[Kori Ellis]

By CHRIS SHERIDAN, AP Basketball Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- The New York Knicks agreed to two deals before Thursday's NBA trading deadline to acquire Malik Rose and two No. 1 picks from San Antonio and forward Maurice Taylor from Houston.

Both deals were awaiting league approval one hour after the NBA's 3 p.m. EST trade deadline and hadn't yet been finalized.

The Knicks would send starting center Nazr Mohammed and backup point guard Jamison Brewer to the Spurs for Rose and the two picks -- a first-round choice in 2005 that originally belonged to Phoenix, and San Antonio's No. 1 pick in 2006.

In the Taylor trade, Houston would get backup center Vin Baker and point guard Moochie Norris.

The moves appeared to be a sign that Knicks president Isiah Thomas was placing a greater emphasis on rebuilding through the draft.

New York would have its own No. 1 and the Suns' first-round pick this June, and the 2006 pick from the Spurs would put the Knicks back into the first-round of that draft. Thomas traded the Knicks' own 2006 first-round pick to Phoenix as part of the Stephon Marbury deal.

So while their Atlantic Division opponents all made significant upgrades -- New Jersey dealt for Vince Carter and Cliff Robinson, Philadelphia got Chris Webber and Rodney Rogers, and Boston agreed to a deal with Atlanta to reacquire Antoine Walker -- the Knicks made two moves that left little-used Bruno Sundov as their only true center.

Kurt Thomas, the player most frequently mentioned in pre-deadline trade speculation surrounding the Knicks, will likely move back to center -- the position he played before Mohammed was acquired from Atlanta slightly more than a year ago.

Rose and Taylor would add depth at the power forward spot, where the Knicks have been giving an increased role to second-year forward Michael Sweetney.

New York (21-33) was in last place in the Atlantic Division heading into its game Thursday night against Philadelphia.

For the Spurs, the acquisition of Mohammed would provide an additional option at center behind Rasho Nesterovic. Mohammed, in his seventh NBA season, also could be used as the backup to Tim Duncan at power forward -- the role Rose had for the last 71/2 seasons.

Mohammed was averaging 10.9 points and 8.1 rebounds for the Knicks, while Rose averaged 6.3 points and 4.5 rebounds for San Antonio.

Rose, a fan favorite in San Antonio, was nearly dealt to the Knicks a year ago for Kurt Thomas in a deadline-day trade that fell through at the last minute.

Norris, who averaged 2.6 points and 1.1 assists in a limited role backing up Stephon Marbury, was the second point guard acquired by Houston on Thursday. Earlier, the Rockets got playmaker Mike James, along with center Zendon Hamilton, from Milwaukee for Reece Gaines and two second-round picks.

Baker also was playing sparingly for the Knicks, averaging a team-low 1.4 points. The four-time All Star, in his 12th season, would join a Houston roster that already includes ex-Knicks Charlie Ward, Dikembe Mutombo and Clarence Weatherspoon.

[sungo99]

Can you explain why they had to make this trade now, and not look for a better player in the offseason?
Because Isiah is the only GM stupid enough to take Rose.

[Marcus Bryant]

Uh, again, Spurs make this trade because they just dumped about $25 mil net in guaranteed salaries after this season.

[coachtf]

True timvp.

I don't think he's ever been questioned for not working hard but the injury bug has been what he is dogged for most of the time. He will work at it and bang but Malik Rose could spark the team when he played with confidence.

[ZStomp]

Wow. It's happened.

It's finally happened!

It's a sad day.

[Jimcs50]

Uh, again, Spurs make this trade because they just dumped about $25 mil net in guaranteed salaries after this season.


Did Malik put a gun to Pop's head when they gave him that contract? Everyone holds that contract against Malik, Pop gave it to him.

[ShoogarBear]

Hey, now if they managed to sneak Antawn in on the deal somehow, that wouldn't be so bad . . .

[exstatic]

Bizarrely, it's pronounced Nah-Zee.

[Marcus Bryant]

Don't ask the question then.

[Streakyshooter08]

If the Spurs sign Scola this summer they will be okay with C/F. You would have 4 relativley "young" bigs.

Rasho /Nazr
Timmy/ Scola

looks allright to me. But I am also sad because I liked Malik. By the way: how many time is left till the deadline ends? I don't know what time you have over there. Thanks.

[timvp]

Two first round draft picks?

Damn.

That makes it a little harder to swallow. Unless the Spurs expect big things from Nazr, it doesn't make sense to trade Rose and two first round draft picks just to get rid of him.









Now if Nazr starts in place of Rasho, this is a steal.

[exstatic]

Did Malik put a gun to Pop's head when they gave him that contract? Everyone holds that contract against Malik, Pop gave it to him.
Did you never make a mistake, and have to clean up a mess? And as to your loyalty card, Malik was talking to the Lakers that year. A gun, of sorts.

[Marcus Bryant]

Exactly timvp. From a basketball standpoint Mohammed has to shine to make this deal worthwhile. Otherwise Mohammed is not worth what the Spurs gave up. Financially is another matter...

[timvp]

From a basketball standpoint Mohammed has to shine to make this deal worthwhile. Otherwise Mohammed is not worth what the Spurs gave up.

True.

If Nazr averages around 10 points and 8 rebounds, this is a steal. If he plays a Massenburg/Willis role, the Spurs got robbed.

We'll see.

[Streakyshooter08]

When does the deadline end?

[Marcus Bryant]

In about 1 or 2 hours.

[T Park]

good trade.

If Nazr isnt a peanut head, his defense, atheltic ability, and great lowpost scoring are gonna be awesome.

Nazr can move unbelieveably quick, and, for all you Rasho haters, he dunks constantly.


Also, the Spurs have two LEGIT 7 footers, and if Nazr plays well enough to start??

Rasho off the bench will be awesome, because it would mean Rasho can play sans duncan on the court.


This trade could be fantastic.


Im sure though the haters of the Spurs management, will say its all about money blah blah blah.

IMO, they got a taller, more talented player out of the deal.


BRING IT ON!!! :)

[Kori Ellis]

The deadline was over two hours ago, but if teams had deals on the table they are given time by the league to finalize them.

[ShoogarBear]

Reality is he's been averaging 3 and 3 the last week for a team whose only other true big man was Vin Baker.

Maybe Pop will work a miracle.

[Spurminator]

Reality is he's been averaging 3 and 3 the last week for a team whose only other true big man was Vin Baker.

Kurt Thomas, too.

[Marcus Bryant]

Reality is he's been averaging 3 and 3 the last week for a team whose only other true big man was Vin Baker.

Maybe Pop will work a miracle.


Ouch.

[johnny00]

True.

If Nazr averages around 10 points and 8 rebounds, this is a steal. If he plays a Massenburg/Willis role, the Spurs got robbed.

We'll see.
In Pops system I don't see him averaging 10 points.

[T Park]

If Nazr averages around 10 points and 8 rebounds

Isn't that what he was averaging in New York around horrible front court players??

With Duncan holding up the strong side rebounding wise, Muhammed will get alot of balls his way, and his athleticism will get him alot more.


Blocked shots wise, the Spurs average will shoot up.

[Duff McCartney]

Did Malik put a gun to Pop's head when they gave him that contract?

He didn't have to hold a gun to his head...he had Tim Duncan has his friend. As far as that goes, he was holding all the cards.

[Kori Ellis]

the Spurs have two LEGIT 7 footers

Nazr is only 6-9 or 6-10. But yes, he's significantly taller than Rose.

[PM5K]

Already did...

[GoSpurs21]

Two first round draft picks?

Damn.

That makes it a little harder to swallow. Unless the Spurs expect big things from Nazr, it doesn't make sense to trade Rose and two first round draft picks just to get rid of him.

Now if Nazr starts in place of Rasho, this is a steal.Only if Nazr can grasp Pop's defensive scemes as well as Rasho. I still think if Nazr is the first big man off the bench this is a great thing for the Spurs. He will get to play with both Tim and Rasho. Horry can be saved for the playoffs, Mass can be used to mussle oppentents big man when needed.

As for the two first round draft picks, isnt one of them from Suns this year? and do we really need 1st round rookie next year? The Spurs will be integrating Scola and hopefully LJIII into the active roster. Would there be any room for anther player?

[Kori Ellis]

He didn't have to hold a gun to his head...he had Tim Duncan has his friend. As far as that goes, he was holding all the cards.

Malik got his contract with the Spurs because the Lakers made him a similar offer and the Spurs wanted to keep him ... he didn't get it because he's Duncan's friend.

[Medvedenko]

I think it's a good trade for the Spurs....talent level wise...another good big to bang in the west. I just find it hard to see Malik go considering he has always played the lakers tough.

[Streakyshooter08]

In about 1 or 2 hours.

Thanks!

[maxpower]

2 first round picks....I guess it can be seen as 1 since one is phoenix's and with how well they are playing ..it's going to be a low pick.
Also with the Spurs planning on bringing in Scola...that is one less contract to worry about.

[Extra Stout]

That makes it a little harder to swallow. Unless the Spurs expect big things from Nazr, it doesn't make sense to trade Rose and two first round draft picks just to get rid of him.Those picks are likely #29 this year and #30 or so next year. How many foreign point guards do the Spurs need, after all?

[Marcus Bryant]

AD was TD's friend too. Look where that got him.

[ShoogarBear]

Also, the Spurs have two LEGIT 7 footers, and if Nazr plays well enough to start??

"Legit?"

That would be Rasho and . . . .

http://www.sworddragon.com/passions/images/montoya4.jpg

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

[Useruser666]

Funny Knick forum quote:


Quote:
...the summer is still ours.


Nah. Isaih will trade summer away leaving us with fall, winter and two springs to be named later.


:lol

[T Park]

Shoogar,


"You killed my family, prepare to die" lol. Awesome picture.


Well Mohammed is 6 10 ALMOST 7 foot.


But, hes significantly bigger than Rose, and hes IMO a little quicker, and hell be able to guard Stoudamire and a guy like Rasheed Wallace better than Duncan or Nesterovic.



This trade, if Mohammed has his head on straight, is so good its not even funny.

[Kori Ellis]

This trade, if Mohammed has his head on straight, is so good its not even funny.

I have a question, has he had problems in the past that I missed? You said "if he's not a peanut head" and now that comment above. Does he have a history?

[Marcus Bryant]

Of course he has a history. Every black man does, right TPark?

[ShoogarBear]

There's no way Nazr is quicker than Rose, but you do bring up a good question.

How quick is he? Can he at least try to do a reasonable job on Amare, or maybe even Dirk or KG?

[ducks]

they make the move to get a legit center to get rasho to perfrom better
nothing to do with $$$$$$$$$

[Useruser666]

I have a question, has he had problems in the past that I missed? You said "if he's not a peanut head" and now that comment above. Does he have a history?

This was from his bio I posted earlier:


During Atlanta stint, served as spokesperson for the Hawks’ “Home Team Hero” award, which recognizes individuals who make a difference in their local communities..

Seems like David Robinson to me.

And T Park, do honestly believe he will be a better defender than Duncan?

[Spurminator]

I wouldn't count on him as any kind of Amare stopper... but maybe he'll be a little more effective against Yao if Rasho gets in foul trouble.

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm sad. Malik frustrated me sometimes as a player, but I've always rooted for him because I like him as a person.

Can't say I don't like the trade though. Very good grab for the Spurs.

That capture's my sentiment exactly. I'll miss Malik, but I think he will be back in a few years under a smaller contract.

Kick some ass in NYC Malik!

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, Tpark brought up a pretty decent point.

Rasho playing with the 2nd unit might be better than Rasho playing with the starters.

[nbascribe]

Fans have got to remember that business is business and what the Spurs have done was fleece the Knicks big time. They pick up a guy that's three inches taller and is averaging almost a double-double a nite.

I'll miss Malik too but this is a business people....these players know that.

[PM5K]

I wouldn't count on him as any kind of Amare stopper... but maybe he'll be a little more effective against Yao if Rasho gets in foul trouble.

I agree, I was going nuts watching Mass get owned by Yao, then Rasho comes back in and Yao scores one point and that's why we need a legitimate backup center which it looks like we've just gotten.

I liked Malik too but this is a business and from a business point of view the Spurs made a good move.

[Kori Ellis]

Rasho playing with the 2nd unit might be better than Rasho playing with the starters.

I have been saying that to LJ for weeks.

Rasho and Duncan's games don't complement each other. Rasho gets in Duncan's way and defers to him too much. I was trying to think of a way to bring Rasho off the bench. This might be the answer.

[ShoogarBear]

1. I can't see Malik ever averaging more than around 12 and 8, because I figure he's probably a guy with severely diminishing returns once his MPG consistenly go above 24-28 minutes.

2. Realistically, Nazr is not "almost averaging a double-double". He was almost averaging a doub-doub through the end of December. Since then he's been in a tailspin. In 2005, freakin' Lorenzen Wright has been a better center, among others.

[kskonn]

Yea Rasho is a much more confident player when he is the only Big on the court. he loves to take shots running across the lane, with him and tim in at the same time he dooes not have enough floor space to work with. Every game when tim was injured showed a side of Rasho that we need to see more often.

[Kori Ellis]

Realistically, Nazr is not "almost averaging a double-double". He was almost averaging a doub-doub through the end of December. Since then he's been in a tailspin. In 2005, freakin' Lorenzen Wright has been a better center, among others.

In December he averaged 32mpg, in February he's averaging only 20. So are his stats falling due to a decrease in playing time? or is his playing time been cut due to his stats falling?

[PM5K]

In December he averaged 32mpg, in February he's averaging only 20. So are his stats falling due to a decrease in playing time? or is his playing time been cut due to his stats falling?

Chicken or the egg?

[ShoogarBear]

So are his stats falling due to a decrease in playing time? or is his playing time been cut due to his stats falling?

Can only speculate, but if it was the former, then that would imply that somebody else was playing well enough to beat him out for minutes. Looking at the Knicks roster, I find that hard to believe, nor can figure out who that might be.

[Clandestino]

NY didn't care about Malik or Nazr... They just wanted to take #1 picks out of our hands because we always get bad ass guys!

[Jimcs50]

Charles Smith revisited...

If one does not know his history, he is destined to repeat it.

[Spurminator]

Charles Smith had a shitty coach.

[timvp]

Can only speculate, but if it was the former, then that would imply that somebody else was playing well enough to beat him out for minutes. Looking at the Knicks roster, I find that hard to believe, nor can figure out who that might be.

Perhaps it was just the coaching change. Under Lenny Wilkens, he averaged 12.2 points per game. Under Herb Williams, he averaged 7.5 points per game.

Hopefully Herbie was just going in a different direction. If it's that Nazr is breaking down as the season is progressing, that would suck and this would be a bad trade.

We'll find out.

[sungo99]

Perhaps it was just the coaching change. Under Lenny Wilkens, he averaged 12.2 points per game. Under Herb Williams, he averaged 7.5 points per game.

Hopefully Herbie was just going in a different direction. If it's that Nazr is breaking down as the season is progressing, that would suck and this would be a bad trade.

We'll find out.
14.2 million dollars people. Nazr Mohammed could have had two broken legs and the Spurs still would have made this trade.

[Jimcs50]

Perhaps it was just the coaching change. Under Lenny Wilkens, he averaged 12.2 points per game. Under Herb Williams, he averaged 7.5 points per game.

Hopefully Herbie was just going in a different direction. If it's that Nazr is breaking down as the season is progressing, that would suck and this would be a bad trade.

We'll find out.



I can just hear Sequ now.

[Guru of Nothing]

The New York Knick roster is so ill-conceived that I would not pay any attention to stats alone for any player on their roster.

[Kori Ellis]

The New York Knick roster is so ill-conceived that I would not pay any attention to stats alone for any player on their roster.

Agreed.

[nbascribe]

This isn't the Charles Smith deal. The Knicks are paying Malik's salary now....not the Spurs. This team needed a big that was more consistant than Rasho.

Get over being a Malik fan and be a damn basketball fan people.

[tekdragon]

Jim, you've got to be kidding me:


At least I am finding out who my friends are.

Fuck you dicks.

Loyalty means a lot to me, and I guess it means nothing to any of you?



I hope we lose the championship now...fuck the Spurs.

This is loyalty?

Show some loyalty to the fucking team for once in your life, Derek Anderson.

[Streakyshooter08]

Somebody should make the suggestion at the Pop Show and tell him to try Rasho off the bench/without Tim on the court. Maybe he hadn't hat the idea yet.

BTW: Did you receive my Mail Kori?

[Kori Ellis]

Streaky, I got the pictures. I'll put them up later tonight. Thanks very much.

[timvp]

SHAQ: REALLY NOT WHAT NAZR NEEDS

By MARC BERMAN

February 9, 2005 -- Nazr Mohammed isn't heading into tonight's rematch with Shaquille O'Neal and the almighty Heat on a confidence roll.

Mohammed would have been the ultimate goat Monday in Utah had Stephon Marbury not saved the Knicks in overtime for a 102-99 victory. It avoided what would have been their season's most absurd loss — in a year already brimming with them.

Up two points with 3.5 seconds left, Mohammed botched two free throws. The Jazz forced the extra session when Raul Lopez hit two free throws after being fouled by Trevor Ariza on last-ditch jumper, capping a 13-point comeback in the final 5:37. It's one thing to choke like dogs against the mighty Kings. It's quite another to let the 16-32 Jazz do the defiling.

The Knicks were just happy to have a win to finish their Western trip at 1-5. "I credit my teammates for saving me," Mohammed said.

They likely can't save Mohammed tonight as the Heat roll into town. Shaq whipped the Knicks for 33 points and 18 rebounds in 36 minutes in their first meeting on Jan. 5 in Miami. Shaq threw down dunks on the break and in halfcourt sets. Mohammed was in early foul trouble and played like a timid bystander.

Tonight marks Shaq's first game at the Garden since being traded to Miami, so the Newark native might be trying to tear down some Broadway rims before an expected flood of celebrities. Mohammed said he didn't make it hard enough for Shaq the first time.

"I know I was in foul trouble and got two quick ones, got a fifth," Mohammed said. "The game plan is always to stay within you and the basket and make him shoot over you. When we send help, send it hard and rotate."

The Miami showdown comes after the Knicks' 10-day trip and the OT game in Utah that caused a 5 a.m. landing yesterday. It's horrible timing. "It's kind of disappointing, you have such a long road trip and on the travel day, you prepare for your next team and it's Miami," Mohammed said. "We're disappointed about that. But it's the NBA. We need to stop the bleeding so we can't worry about the schedule."

The Knicks are amidst a 3-16 tailspin. "This losing streak has tested our hearts to see where we're at," rookie Trevor Ariza said.

A timid bystander? Don't tell me he's related to Rasho.

:shootme

[Streakyshooter08]

Streaky, I got the pictures. I'll put them up later tonight. Thanks very much.

Great! :elephant I have to thank you for hosting them. They aren't very good but some fans might be interested.

Seems to be a busy day for the fans all around the league.

I go to sleep now.

Streaky :spin

[T Park]

the only reason I wonder, hes a good tall center for New York, with a small contract. Young too.

I mean, the game I went to in November New York against Indiana, this guy was hanging RIGHT WITH O'Neal, that is NO Joke folks, this guy was playing Jermaine O'Neal straight up, and was playing great defense.

Blocking shots like no one's business either.


What I mean if he has his head on straight, in Atlanta he was critisized for his work ethic, and I don't know what his deal was in New York, but guys, Popovich and Buford would NOT make a trade, unless it would improve the team.


This isn't the Bob Bass days of making a trade for the hell of it.

[nbascribe]

Timvp I guess we have to come up with a new prop for the roundtable now......:D

[Kori Ellis]

Atlanta he was critisized for his work ethic

I hadn't heard anything about that. That's why I asked.

[timvp]

ACHING MOHAMMED WON'T YIELD TO PAIN

By EVAN GROSSMAN

February 14, 2005 -- Give Nazr Mohammed credit. At least he's not giving up on the season, fighting through a painful groin strain to play the last two games through it.
"You can either sit or fight," Mohammed said.

Mohammed was in the starting lineup last night after seeing limited time at Boston following the strain suffered last week against Miami, but played just 15 minutes.

He finished with six points and four rebounds in a 102-99 win over Charlotte, but because his groin was "too tight," could not play in the fourth quarter.

When he was not on the floor, Mohammed pedaled on an exercise bike in the tunnel by the Knick locker room because he said sitting on the bench only made him tighten up more. At least on the bike, he said, he could remain somewhat loose for when he went back in.

Because he didn't log a lot of minutes, Mohammed said he'll play tonight in Philadelphia.

"The last game, I couldn't even dunk," he said. "Every game, it gets a little better."

Ummm ... the Spurs better check this guy out before they finalize the trade.

This could explain his drop in numbers.

[T Park]

Lets take what the New York Post thinks about players with a grain of salt.

The New York media can be pricks.

[ShoogarBear]

There were some direct quotes of Nazr in the story. Doubt they'd make that up in the Sports section.

[timvp]

DIESEL NOT SO HOT IN FIRST NY VISIT WITH HEAT

By EVAN GROSSMAN

February 10, 2005 -- Aside from the fact that standing next to each other, Shaquille O'Neal looks like he could fold up Nazr Mohammed and stuff him in his back pocket like a dollar bill, The Diesel appeared somewhat human and mortal last night in a 116-110 overtime win over the Knicks.

O'Neal, who had Mohammed on him most of the night, wasn't the human eclipse in the paint he normally is. In fact, the big guy might not have been able to throw the ball in the ocean if he tried last night.

While O'Neal dumped 33 points and pulled down 18 rebounds in 36 minutes last month when the Knicks lost 102-94 at Miami in their first meeting of the season, last night he was average under the hoop and had trouble shooting against the Knicks, which is something few opponents ever really suffer from. O'Neal shot 5-for-16 from the field and finished with 16 quiet points and 13 rebounds in 42 minutes.

Never known for his foul shooting, Shaq did hit pair of free throws to put the Knicks down four with 1:53 left in overtime, his two biggest baskets of the evening. For the game, he shot 6-for-8 from the line.

Prior to the opening tip, O'Neal, a human quote box, touched on a host of topics, from the uncertain coaching future of his former skipper Phil Jackson, to Shaq possibly owning an NBA franchise in the future.

Shaq said he would never come to New York.

"The city and the people are great here . . . but you can't drive," he said.



Shaq still talks about becoming an ATF agent, a U.S. Marshall or FBI man after his basketball days are over. It's highly unlikely we'd see The Diesel going through a door with a Kevlar helmet, but we could eventually see him as part-owner of an NBA team.

"The one team that would interest me would be the Orlando Magic. I live in Orlando; my family lives in Orlando," O'Neal said. "I wouldn't want to own a team, too much pressure. But I'd like to put a group together."

Not bad. Sounds like Nazr played Shaq well.

[Das Texan]

from a business standpoint its an awesome trade.


from a personal standpoint it sucks.


malik will kick some ass in new york though.

[timvp]

Knicks notebook: Mohammed in scoring slump
Monday, January 24, 2005
BY COLIN STEPHENSON
Star-Ledger Staff

NEW YORK -- A month ago, some people were starting to tout center Nazr Mohammed as a potential All-Star. Now that thought seems far-fetched.

Mohammed scored just three points in 13 foul-plagued minutes yesterday in a loss to the Bucks. His absence as a scoring threat is one of the reasons the Knicks, who have lost 10 of their last 11, are struggling. In the past six games, Mohammed, who is averaging 11.8 points, has scored seven, two, seven, 16, nine and three points.


"I play off my teammates," Mohammed said. "When we're getting penetration and I'm able to get to the rim, they're able to dump it off to me."

Foul trouble has hurt Mohammed lately, sending him to the bench early in the first half in a several recent games. Against the Bucks he picked up his second foul just 2:25 into the game and went to the bench immediately, in favor of Michael Sweetney.

"I feel I've had a couple of bad calls, but sometimes it's penetration and I'm the 'help' guy," he explained. "I think I try to do too much sometimes. sometimes I try to be the help guy and I try to also get back to my man. I've just got to count on my teammates and realize that they're going to be there instead of trying to do both."

Trying to do too much? Sounds familiar.

:shootme

[tekdragon]

It's going to be simply a question of "Can we actually use him?", because we just weren't using Malik. Not because Pop is an idiot or had anything personal against Malik, but because in the Spurs system, there are consequences for mental lapses in defensive execution, and Malik just kept making mental mistakes. He'd get out of the doghouse, and put himself right back in. The amount of talent or heart he has is irrelevent if he's not on the court. If he doesn't earn time on the court, he doesn't play. He doesn't earn it consistently (according to Spurs standards, which call for execution as well as effort), so all his talent and heart are wasted on our bench. Maybe Nazr will learn and efficiently fit into our system, maybe he won't. It became quite clear that Malik just couldn't consistantly live up to the standards of execution within the system. Consequently, he's not going to see significant court time. Effectively, we traded away someone who (based on the amount of playing time he earned) had value to the team equivalent to a 9th or 10th man. Obviously, Malik is more valuable and more talented than his playing time/production indicates, but he couldn't keep himself on the court. Again, this is based solely on his performance. The standards for playing time in New York are significantly lower. Malik should see a lot of court time (which is great for him, if you care about him so much), will get lots of exposure in the big apple (as hard as New York is, they'll love his heart and hustle. There's no way you couldn't), and I personally think he's going to thrive in the Eastern Conference. This is a great move for Malik, and it's a great move for the Spurs.

[whottt]

Mohammed is a fucking scrub, nothing more than lethargically gained stats. Malik was much more than that and his feistiness will be missed in the playoffs.

I see why the Spurs did it, but it's not really a good trade for the purposes of winning a title. Malik would have helped us more.

Mohammed does nothing, absolutely nothing to improve our title chances this year.

There's a reason the Knicks suck...

[rascal]

1. I can't see Malik ever averaging more than around 12 and 8, because I figure he's probably a guy with severely diminishing returns once his MPG consistenly go above 24-28 minutes.

2. Realistically, Nazr is not "almost averaging a double-double". He was almost averaging a doub-doub through the end of December. Since then he's been in a tailspin. In 2005, freakin' Lorenzen Wright has been a better center, among others.


Mohammed has been battling a groin injury and thats a big reason why his numbers have come down recently.

It was a good trade for the spurs. They get a true center, trim salary and dump a bad contract in Rose who they have been trying to trade for awhile now. They also add an inside player bigger than Malik and won't have to rely on Rasho as a banger and inside rebounder where he is weak.

[T Park]

Well, thats going off foggy memory Kori dont totally hold me to it, I remember when he was there, he was pretty overweight, and I cant remember the coach at the time, but he mae comments of, if Nazr could improve his practice habits and such.


But if those are problems?? What better team to come to?? Stephen Jackson was horrible in discipline and such, and he came to the Spurs and now look at him.


The Spurs are the surgeons of undisciplined players.

[ShoogarBear]

Although trying to do too much on defense, which probably won't be too much of a problem with Pop.

On offense, it sounds like he says he just tries to play off his teammates, which Pop will love, and which was probably Malik's greatest failing on O.

[ChumpDumper]

If you're all still scurred of Shaq there's no trade that will satisfy you save Pryzbilla or Cato, and that ain't happening.

[spurster]

The Spurs are full of young players now, so that's another reason to deal the 1st round picks. We can probably look forward to signing Scola, resigning Devin and maybe seeing LJ III and/or Sato some year.

[tekdragon]

Malik would have helped us more.

He's no help to us from the doghouse.

[whottt]

He's no help to us from the doghouse.


I just don't know what to say to that...he hadn't been in the doghouse lately and he had been playing well.

And his stint in the doghouse last season hurt us more than it did him.

[T Park]

If Robert Horry is healthy, how much time does Malik get, minimum numbers.


Mohammed will be reinvigorated by this trade, come wanted to prove himself, that, and playing next to Duncan.



This is IMO a very good trade, I cant believe it only took Malik.


When I first heard this on the radio in passing I heard Malik Rose and Rasho Nesterovic.


I was wondering what in the world HUGE blockbuster had been made.

I agree with Mark Stein though, this trade is a great and perfect one for the Spurs.

Acquiring him moves some players around and maximizes the current roster.

[exstatic]

Charles Smith had a shitty coach.

Charles Smith had a shitty knee and was on the wrong side of 30. Nazr's deal also has only 1 year, plus the remaining 20-something games from this year left, and it's relatively friendly at that.

[ChumpDumper]

Had we pried Ariza from Zeke too this would have been an A+ trade.

Pretty good as it is though.

I get the feeling we're keeping LJ3 and Sato if it's possible, so the picks would've been traded away during the summer anyway.