Israel wiping the floor with Palestine

[LnGrrrR]

I'm not positive of the degree it would take, but would you disagree that US and world pressure prevents them, diplomatically and in the media, from doing any meaningful elimination of the aggressors?

When that aggression ends up hitting innocents, yes, that probably is a hindrance.


We need to let Israel target all the military installations they want without interference.

I'm all for it! I also think we should let Gaza hit whatever they want. Let these two guys fight it out; they seem rather eager too.


We need to stop posing pictures of a kid killed because he was walking past a military installation that was bombed.

So... restrict the First Amendment?


We need to tell people it is the Terrorists placement of these facilities that kills children. Not Israel.

I don't see why we need to do that... Israel seems like they're doing a pretty good job with the Psyops.


We need to let Israel do what ever they feel is necessary to protect their borders. We don't do that. We interfere.

Again, personally, I don't care if they both wail on each other.


If you believe Israel wants to wipe out their neighbors, you are flat out wrong. I'm sure there are some individuals who do, but that's the the majority.

I should've specified "Hamas" instead of "Gaza".

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So what is your solution?

Stay out of it and don't stick our nose where it doesn't belong.

[SA210]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/27929_486199754754133_112164901_n.jpg

[Capt Bringdown]

Interior Minister Eli Yishai (http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/live-blog-idf-prepares-for-ground-invasion-as-gaza-offensive-enters-fourth-day-1.478505) on Israel's operation in Gaza: "The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years."

Glenn Greenwald (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/17/israel-gaza-us-policy): Let me know if any of the US Sunday talk shows mention that tomorrow during their discussions of this "operation."

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/guardian/About/General/2012/11/17/1353170677424/A-Palestinian-man-carries-010.jpg
A Palestinian man carries a wounded child at a hospital following an Israeli air raid in Beit Lahia in the northern Gaza Strip, on November 17, 2012

Are these child's injuries the result of Israel's right to defend herself or the goal to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages?

[Wild Cobra]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/27929_486199754754133_112164901_n.jpg
Looks fitting to me.

[Wild Cobra]

Are these child's injuries the result of Israel's right to defend herself or the goal to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages?
I'm sorry, but yes.

Why are all these children in a war zone anyway? Why haven't their parents moved them away from the artillery, rocket launchers, etc? For years, Gaza has been attacking Egypt. they are a war zone.

Yes I know, in some cases they can't. But answer me this them. How does Israel have a snowballs chance in hell of winning if they are afraid of the collateral damaged caused?

[Stringer_Bell]

Israel has committed some crimes that a lot of people don't know about because they never get written about or photographed, but at the same time I don't think it's unreasonable to trace their paranoid tactics back to the fact that most of their neighbors (read as: surrounding nations) want them destroyed. I just wonder why those surrounding countries don't open their doors to all the people that should be evacuating what has basically been a war zone for all these years. Instead, it just looks like those countries arm militants and foster hatred. That whole region is a shit hole anyway, but I"m sure there's good people on all sides, and it's just really sad to see so many human casualties.

[ElNono]

http://i49.tinypic.com/b4jos5.jpg

[GoodOdor]

Tbh, if the Palis stopped lobbying those rockets, problem solved.....not very smart
when the other side is much better armed.....

[Jacob1983]

Can a sane person help me out on this? Why is it that if a person does not blindly follow and support Israel then you hate Jews?

[GoodOdor]

Can a sane person help me out on this? Why is it that if a person does not blindly follow and support Israel then you hate Jews?

You already hate the gays though, so it's safe to assume you also hate the jews tbh.

[Wild Cobra]

Can a sane person help me out on this? Why is it that if a person does not blindly follow and support Israel then you hate Jews?
It might no be that they hate Jews. Instead they might just be ignorant of the facts. They might believe the lies and propaganda out there.

[ElNono]

I'm going to withhold opinion until I read the transcripts...

[ElNono]

Tbh, if the Palis stopped lobbying those rockets, problem solved.....not very smart
when the other side is much better armed.....

Not going to happen, and military interventions like the current one only foster more hatred and virtually guarantees more rockets in the future. As Chump said, this is only going to end when there's some ethnic cleansing. Even if they get those Iron Domes to work 100% of the time, that won't stop Israel from turning the place back into the "Middle Ages" again and again. There's much more than "we're defending ourselves" behind this stuff. Both sides hate eachother's guts, and that's exactly the reason why we should stop pouring money in that clusterfuck.

[Wild Cobra]

Not going to happen, and military interventions like the current one only foster more hatred and virtually guarantees more rockets in the future. As Chump said, this is only going to end when there's some ethnic cleansing. Even if they get those Iron Domes to work 100% of the time, that won't stop Israel from turning the place back into the "Middle Ages" again and again. There's much more than "we're defending ourselves" behind this stuff. Both sides hate eachother's guts, and that's exactly the reason why we should stop pouring money in that clusterfuck.
I hate to see that happen, and I don't want to agree, but I do.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if both sides hate each other

whats stopping the israelis from gtfo of that region and settle somewhere else...

look at the ppl who who left their countrys and settle built up singapore which is a country of mixed races atm...

[Pelicans78]

Iran is starting this conflict with Isreal. They're suckering them to get involved. Everything that's happened the last 10 years from the Iraq war to the Arab Spring has benefitted Iran and increased their influence in the region. They're biggest rival was executed, dictators were overthrown and replaced with religious fundamentalist rulers. The entire region is desperate more than ever, ready to rebel more than ever. This conflict may not get the governments from those countries involved, but it will bring foreign fighters from everywhere. While Isreal has great military might, they don't have numbers. They cant sustain long-term battle like our country. Plus, Obama won't get our country involved until absolutely necessary.

[Pelicans78]

if both sides hate each other

whats stopping the israelis from gtfo of that region and settle somewhere else...

look at the ppl who who left their countrys and settle built up singapore which is a country of mixed races atm...

Religious reasons. They believe that that land is promised to them.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You already hate the gays though, so it's safe to assume you also hate the jews tbh.


I already said I don't hate those butt sex having faggots! If two queers wanna get married and fuck each other in their gay fucking asses, I'm OK with it :madrun:madrun

[Bill_Brasky]

So tired of Israel's bullshit getting a pass....fuck Netanyahu and fuck AIPAC.

[boutons_deux]

Hamas, in Israel and Lebanon and Syria, is supported by Iran, so the extermination of Gaza is really a proxy war Israelites vs Persians.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Religious reasons. They believe that that land is promised to them.

nothin beats brainwashed jews who think whatever jesus/god says is correct, b4 jesus whose country was it?

lol bombin a building which houses most of the worlds media journalists, and saying its being used as a telecommunications by hamas....watta fkn joke israel has become...

[Jacob1983]

It's interesting how the media forgets the fact that Gaza Strip is basically a ghetto for Palestinians. Have you ever seen pictures of that place? It's a sad dirty place.

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.idfblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/HamasRocketRange-640x640.jpg

[admiralsnackbar]

That has been true for Zionists, but long before Israelite Zionism was a realistic solution was the need of a place for Jews to have the basic human rights to property and equal protection under law. Post-diaspora Jewry was reduced to second-class citizens in the Christian and Muslim countries they fled to. To answer the question of whats stopping the israelis from gtfo of that region and settle somewhere else... The sheer number of Jews that would have migrated to another country to set up a safe place for themselves would have instantly been a threat to X country's native population and likely triggered a genocide or war of some sort -- natives wouldn't have welcomed them with open arms, at any rate.

[Drachen]

That has been true for Zionists, but long before Israelite Zionism was a realistic solution was the need of a place for Jews to have the basic human rights to property and equal protection under law. Post-diaspora Jewry was reduced to second-class citizens in the Christian and Muslim countries they fled to. To answer the question of whats stopping the israelis from gtfo of that region and settle somewhere else... The sheer number of Jews that would have migrated to another country to set up a safe place for themselves would have instantly been a threat to X country's native population and likely triggered a genocide or war of some sort -- natives wouldn't have welcomed them with open arms, at any rate.


... Kinda like what happened when israel was made.

[boutons_deux]

A phrase used by the Israelis when they go after a new crop of Gaza/Hamas militants replacing the dead ones is "mowing the lawn".

[admiralsnackbar]

... Kinda like what happened when israel was made.

Bingo, the only difference being the land of what is now Israel was guaranteed by (primarily) England, whereas any other Jewish migration would probably have been taken as an act of war/invasion. An interesting/tragic exception was Birobidzahn, which Stalin created in Siberia as a resolution to "the Jewish question."

[boutons_deux]

With practical brilliance like this in the CIA, no wonder the CIA is a laughing stock for missing nearly everything of importance in the last few decades.

Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer told Fox News: "No country has a right to exist.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/11/19/fox-news-guest-on-israel-they-dont-have-any-right-to-exist/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.idfblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/HamasRocketRange-640x640.jpgDo you have a map for the Israeli rocket threat?

[TDMVPDPOY]

isnt america another word for israel? why u guys and UK continue to bend over for these clowns is beyond me....

[SA210]

Wow..Hypocrite much?

A few words from the President on Israel/Gaza..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqvGRIVr1G8

[CosmicCowboy]

Hamas has seriously fucked up. They though Egypt would back their play but the Egyptian Sunnis are a lot more pragmatic that the Hamas Shiites...Egypt has already whored itself out to the US, Great Britain, and the IMF for billions in foreign aid....they aren't going to risk that by backing the Hamas cowboys play...and Hamas can't hurt the Israelis and are themselves getting chopped to shit by the Israeli air force.

[clambake]

eh, airplanes or bulldozers.

[Wild Cobra]

Do you have a map for the Israeli rocket threat?
It doesn't matter. Israel's attacks are in response to them being attacked.

[ChumpDumper]

It doesn't matter. Well, it might not matter -- what is the range of their bulldozers?
Israel's attacks are in response to them being attacked.I guess they just assassinate foreign leaders preemptively and blamelessly.

[Th'Pusher]

Anonymous declares cyberwar on Israel (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/19/tech/web/cyber-attack-israel-anonymous/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

[CosmicCowboy]

I guess they just assassinate foreign leaders preemptively and blamelessly.

Kind of like the United States?

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Reaper_MQ9.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Kind of like the United States?

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Reaper_MQ9.jpgWhich foreign government leader did the US assassinate lately?

[CosmicCowboy]

Is Hamas technically a foreign government? We knock off suspected Taliban and Al Quaeda leaders all the time. One could say we were pretty fucking complicit in knocking off Gaddafi since the rebels would never have captured him without our air support.

[Drachen]

Kind of like the United States?

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Reaper_MQ9.jpg

I know that this isn't the purpose of you posting the picture, but damn those look badass

[SA210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtuBas3Ipw

[ChumpDumper]

Is Hamas technically a foreign government?Yes. It is.

[CosmicCowboy]

Yes. It is.

Was the PLO technically a foreign government?

[Jacob1983]

So what kind of threat does Palestine pose to Israel? I'm just curious because Israel is a developed country going up against a 3rd world country(yes I know that Palestine isn't technically a country).

[Wild Cobra]

Anonymous declares cyberwar on Israel (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/19/tech/web/cyber-attack-israel-anonymous/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
Wow.

They just made themselves a legitimate assassination target!

[Jacob1983]

So again, what kind of threat does Palestine pose to Israel? I just don't get it.

[Wild Cobra]

Is Hamas technically a foreign government? We knock off suspected Taliban and Al Quaeda leaders all the time. One could say we were pretty fucking complicit in knocking off Gaddafi since the rebels would never have captured him without our air support.
If I recall, it was all Hamas candidates that won the new free elections.

[ElNono]

Hamas has seriously fucked up. They though Egypt would back their play but the Egyptian Sunnis are a lot more pragmatic that the Hamas Shiites...Egypt has already whored itself out to the US, Great Britain, and the IMF for billions in foreign aid....they aren't going to risk that by backing the Hamas cowboys play...and Hamas can't hurt the Israelis and are themselves getting chopped to shit by the Israeli air force.

Well, disagree. Egypt will keep feeding Hamas through back channels. Same for Syria, Libya, Iran, Tunisia, Pakistan and up to an extent Turkey.

The common mistake is to try to apply logic to religious conflicts. This isn't some little rogue group doing this stuff. People there actually voted to put Hamas in power (same as Egypt and Tunisia, and sooner or later Lybia).

Parents feel honored to have their 15, 16 year old kids accepted in these militias fully aware the endgame is martyrdom.

Sucks for Israel, but there's no end to this except for a major leveling of not just Gaza but a good chunk of the ME.

[SA210]

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/20185_553308918028813_7606736_n.jpg

[Winehole23]

to their credit, Afghanistan and Pakistan do occasionally complain

[Winehole23]

Yemen and Bahrain and the Horn of Africa cut a much lower profile for some reason . . .

[Latarian Milton]

sand nigs hate the yids to such an extent where they would replicate what hitler did to them yids if they had such power enabling them to do so.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, disagree. Egypt will keep feeding Hamas through back channels. Same for Syria, Libya, Iran, Tunisia, Pakistan and up to an extent Turkey.

The common mistake is to try to apply logic to religious conflicts. This isn't some little rogue group doing this stuff. People there actually voted to put Hamas in power (same as Egypt and Tunisia, and sooner or later Lybia).

Parents feel honored to have their 15, 16 year old kids accepted in these militias fully aware the endgame is martyrdom.

Sucks for Israel, but there's no end to this except for a major leveling of not just Gaza but a good chunk of the ME.

Talking trash and sending them a few AK47's and RPG's is a lot different than committing their army/air force...Egypt has 200+ F-16c/d's AWAC's, 100+ state of the art blackhawk and apache helicopters, etc.

[boutons_deux]

Washington’s Blog: War in Gaza = War Over Natural Gas? (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/NakedCapitalism/~3/m4tfUuINeJs/washingtons-blog-war-in-gaza-war-over-natural-gas.html)http://www.globalresearch.ca/articlePictures/gazagasmap.jpg

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/11/washingtons-blog-war-in-gaza-war-over-natural-gas.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capi talism%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

[ElNono]

Talking trash and sending them a few AK47's and RPG's is a lot different than committing their army/air force...

Which is exactly what they need for their continuous guerrilla warfare.


Egypt has 200+ F-16c/d's AWAC's, 100+ state of the art blackhawk and apache helicopters, etc.

A head-on war doesn't work for them. Israel and the US itself can outmatch them and they know that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the classification of missiles is fkn misleading, more like fkn destruction impact of what a grenade or rpg can do only

palestines dont have the resources for a rocket or real missile like what the israelis are shelling them with

[Wild Cobra]

A head-on war doesn't work for them. Israel and the US itself can outmatch them and they know that.
Do you really think Obama will commit troops or drones against his Muslim Brotherhood?

[boutons_deux]

I heard the fatality it 30:1, Israel:Palestinians.

[Wild Cobra]

I heard the fatality it 30:1, Israel:Palestinians.
I'm glad Israel is spanking them hard. Be a shame if the rates were closer.

[SA210]

I'm glad Israel is spanking them hard. Be a shame if the rates were closer.

With all due respect, how does it feel to support and to be glad about murder? I see you are already in the Holiday (Oh I'm sorry, Christmas) spirit.

[Wild Cobra]

With all due respect, how does it feel to support and to be glad about murder? I see you are already in the Holiday (Oh I'm sorry, Christmas) spirit.
I don't consider such things in time of war, murder. At 15:1, Israels enemies may say "we can win this war of attrition."

[SA210]

I don't consider such things in time of war, murder.

I see, so I guess it isn't murder. Maybe they just went to sleep.

[Wild Cobra]

I see, so I guess it isn't murder. Maybe they just went to sleep.
No doubt, they were killed. At least one target can be considered assassinated. It just wasn't what I would call murder. Not under the realism of war.

Murder is an unlawful act of killing. Killing your enemy in time of war is not murder.

[SA210]

I understand that people make those rationalizations because of their own brainwashed thinking and propaganda. In the real world, children are being murdered. It may not be popular to say, but it's mass murder. To be "glad" about it, I don't even know what to say about that, tbh. Amazing that so many people actually think that way.

[Wild Cobra]

I understand that people make those rationalizations because of their own brainwashed thinking and propaganda. In the real world, children are being murdered. It may not be popular to say, but it's mass murder.
So please... We are all dying to know... Since you think you have this infinite wisdom...

Just how can Israel fight off these attacks against them, without collateral damage?

[SA210]

So please... We are all dying to know... Since you think you have this infinite wisdom...

Just how can Israel fight off these attacks against them, without collateral damage?

Well first, if I were you..I would unlearn that bogus propaganda.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579104_445820188809066_965913902_n.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

Well first, if I were you..I would unlearn that bogus propaganda.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/579104_445820188809066_965913902_n.jpg
Yes, you need to unlearn the propaganda you believe.

That is a long way from answering the question. Israel is attacking in response to attacks initiated in Gaza.

How does unlearning any propaganda change the facts?

[LnGrrrR]

SA, if you were in charge of Israel, what would you do?

[boutons_deux]

"Israel is attacking in response to attacks initiated in Gaza."

Maybe Hamas is attacking Israel for illegally occupying and building in the Palestinian areas, etc, etc, etc.

[Wild Cobra]

"Israel is attacking in response to attacks initiated in Gaza."

Maybe Hamas is attacking Israel for illegally occupying and building in the Palestinian areas, etc, etc, etc.



I swear.

Ever time I read one of your posts, I think you are about to cry.

[SA210]

SA, if you were in charge of Israel, what would you do?

Stop murdering, come out with real talk on a change of policy and apologize for years of tyranny and unnecessary war and thievery committed by the past lying murdering dictator.
Come out and lead the nation and the world for real Peace..Easier said than done I guess..

[Wild Cobra]

Stop murdering, come out with real talk on a change of policy and apologize for years of tyranny and unnecessary war and thievery committed by the past lying murdering dictator.
Come out and lead the nation and the world for real Peace..Easier said than done I guess..
I found your address using Google maps...

1212 Utopia Lane
Xanadu VA.

[SA210]

Yes, you need to unlearn the propaganda you believe.

That is a long way from answering the question. Israel is attacking in response to attacks initiated in Gaza.

How does unlearning any propaganda change the facts?

That's precisely the horrible propaganda you need to unlearn. It kills babies.

[Wild Cobra]

That's precisely the horrible propaganda you need to unlearn. It kills babies.
My God. Get a grip.

This is not Israel's fault. they are defending themselves.

If someone is out to hurt you or your family, do you respond with platitudes, or do you hit them hard enough they don't want to do it again?

[SA210]

My God. Get a grip.

This is not Israel's fault. they are defending themselves.

If someone is out to hurt you or your family, do you respond with platitudes, or do you hit them hard enough they don't want to do it again?

So then Yemen, Lybia, Somalia, etc have a right to attack us in defense for our drone strikes?

[ChumpDumper]

Was the PLO technically a foreign government?As soon as the two state solution was on the table after Oslo, technically yes.

[Drachen]

Do you really think Obama will commit troops or drones against his Muslim Brotherhood?

See, this is why I could never put WC on ignore.... This guy is a HOOT!

[clambake]

My God. Get a grip.

This is not Israel's fault. they are defending themselves.

If someone is out to hurt you or your family, do you respond with platitudes, or do you hit them hard enough they don't want to do it again?and what do you do when they bulldoze your home and family?

[SA210]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/254846_10151352416722150_1387291534_n.jpg

[ElNono]

Do you really think Obama will commit troops or drones against his Muslim Brotherhood?

lol his

[Wild Cobra]

lol his
LOL...

Pun intended...

[ChumpDumper]

That's not a pun.

[Wild Cobra]

That's not a pun.
I know. Nothing is a joke compared to you.

[ChumpDumper]

I know. Nothing is a joke compared to you.Mislabeling your shitty innuendo as a pun was a joke?

You're terrible at this.

[Wild Cobra]

Mislabeling your shitty innuendo as a pun was a joke?

You're terrible at this.
Good.

I sure would hate to be as good as you at making shit up.

[CuckingFunt]

Cobra's attempts at humor just make me sad.

[ChumpDumper]

Good.

I sure would hate to be as good as you at making shit up.I'm sorry, what did I make up?

[lebomb]

I'm sorry, what did I make up?

Trying to act like you know a damned thing, or what you are talking about..............thats what you made up.

[ChumpDumper]

Trying to act like you know a damned thing, or what you are talking about..............thats what you made up.You'll have to give some examples here.

lol cross-forum butthurt

[clambake]

Cobra's attempts at humor just make me sad.

yeah, but its his best characteristic.

[LnGrrrR]

Stop murdering, come out with real talk on a change of policy and apologize for years of tyranny and unnecessary war and thievery committed by the past lying murdering dictator.
Come out and lead the nation and the world for real Peace..Easier said than done I guess..

This is why you'll never be a politician. :lol Because everyone would laugh at you, and then elect a "strong" leader.

[SA210]

This is why you'll never be a politician. :lol Because everyone would laugh at you, and then elect a "strong" leader.

A strong leader is someone who can avoid unnecessary war.

[SA210]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/61470_447430245324955_1076243010_n.jpg

[SA210]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/61470_447430245324955_1076243010_n.jpg


http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/318927_447430095324970_247241640_n.jpg

[SA210]

US Media Lackeys for Israel | Weapons of Mass Distraction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL1S9kt33ek

[ChumpDumper]

Russia also has media lackeys.

And message board lackeys.

[SA210]

Ahmad Davoud Oglu, the Foreign Minister of Turkey cried loudly with tears, during his visit to Al-shifaa Gaza hospital. .http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/248858_447439361990710_836131594_n.jpg



A child waiting for his mother to wake up ....she will never awaken though ...

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558816_447449061989740_615559073_n.jpg

[LnGrrrR]

A strong leader is someone who can avoid unnecessary war.

It would take an exceptionally strong leader to avoid war when each side is deliberately provoking the other.

[GoodOdor]

Ahmad Davoud Oglu, the Foreign Minister of Turkey cried loudly with tears, during his visit to Al-shifaa Gaza hospital. .

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/248858_447439361990710_836131594_n.jpg



A child waiting for his mother to wake up ....she will never awaken though ...

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558816_447449061989740_615559073_n.jpg

Wonder if he was crying as hard as when they were killing the Armenian people tbh....

[SA210]

Blowback: Did Israel Help To Create Hamas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wfz1DA6x_I

[TDMVPDPOY]

war = money

israel doing shit on purpose so they can continue get that 3billion foreign aid/humanitarian money america keeps on sending to them each year

[Jacob1983]

Ben Swann with the goods as usual FTW!

So correct if I'm wrong but the American propaganda goes like this:

Israel = good
Palestine = evil

[Wild Cobra]

Ben Swann with the goods as usual FTW!

So correct if I'm wrong but the American propaganda goes like this:

Israel = good
Palestine = evil
That's not propaganda. That is pretty close to the truth.

[Jacob1983]

So little kids in Palestine are evil?

[Wild Cobra]

So little kids in Palestine are evil?
They are taught hatred of the Jews, and can't wait to be old enough to carry a weapon.

Am I right or wrong?

[ElNono]

They are taught hatred of the Jews, and can't wait to be old enough to carry a weapon.

Am I right or wrong?

So that's the kids fault?

[Wild Cobra]

So that's the kids fault?
No, but how does someone undo such developmental damage?

[ElNono]

No, but how does someone undo such developmental damage?

Bombs?

[Wild Cobra]

Bombs?
Is that your answer?

[ElNono]

Is that your answer?

No, I'm asking you if that's yours...

[Wild Cobra]

No, I'm asking you if that's yours...
I'm not close enough to the situation to have a solid answer. Under the circumstances I do know, and because of history, I support Israel to do as they think is necessary. If it were me, in a past event, I would have told Hamas "If this happens again, we will level 10 km of your land from our border so you have no place to hide mortars in range of us." Then, when it happens, make good on that promise. Effectively make a "DMZ."

[Jacob1983]

Isn't half of Palestine's population under the age of 18? You're going to honestly make the case that every child in Palestine is evil? What about Christian Palestinians? Yes, they do exist.

[Wild Cobra]

Isn't half of Palestine's population under the age of 18? You're going to honestly make the case that every child in Palestine is evil? What about Christian Palestinians? Yes, they do exist.
I thought it was obvious that I was speaking of the children that were taught to hate. Sorry if you need more specificity than I offer. I thought it was a given we often speak in general terms.

There is almost always an exception to the rule. You must be pretty young if you don't know that.

[TDMVPDPOY]

can someone explain to me about the jews...

they did shit all during the ottoman empire downfall
they did shit all during WW2
gets themselves a fkn country to themselves out of the expense of arabs who were the original owners of the land/country
i dont see any of the other ethnic minorities that time get a country

if ur an arab of course u be pissed
on one hand the west supports the arab spring, muslim brotherhood....on the other hand they let israel bomb the shit out of palestine...what fkn foreign policy is this...

[SA210]

Breaking News: Egyptian foreign minister announces Gaza cease-fire between Israel and Hamas.

Is this true? How long will it last?

[Drachen]

They are reporting it on CNN... It will last until Israel continues building settlements and the Pals fire rockets as a result.

[Th'Pusher]

Nice work Hillary. She solved the problem in the middle east

[clambake]

break out the bulldozers.

[DarrinS]

Nice work Hillary. She solved the problem in the middle east

Sarcasm?

[Th'Pusher]

Sarcasm?
Nope. Hillary is personally responsible for the cease fire.

[Creepn]

I thought it was obvious that I was speaking of the children that were taught to hate. Sorry if you need more specificity than I offer. I thought it was a given we often speak in general terms.

There is almost always an exception to the rule. You must be pretty young if you don't know that.

Blowing up mommies and daddies is a great way to teach hate.

Palestinians will never ever ever ever ever forgive Israel during our lifetime.

[Wild Cobra]

Nice work Hillary. She solved the problem in the middle east
She didn't solve anything. Hamas probably ran out of rockets. Once they rearm, slowly over a few years, this shit will start all over.

[Wild Cobra]

Nope. Hillary is personally responsible for the cease fire.

LOL...

Bullshit!

[clambake]

out of missles. good. now they can just go back to crushing people with dozers.

[ChumpDumper]

If this holds, the big winners are President Clinton (get used to that again) and the scary Muslim president of Egypt.

Boo!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not close enough to the situation to have a solid answer. Under the circumstances I do know, and because of history, I support Israel to do as they think is necessary. If it were me, in a past event, I would have told Hamas "If this happens again, we will level 10 km of your land from our border so you have no place to hide mortars in range of us." Then, when it happens, make good on that promise. Effectively make a "DMZ."

Translation: I fully admit that I am at best poorly informed and more than likely completely fucking wrong but I will take a stand according to my political indoctrination anyway.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

She didn't solve anything. Hamas probably ran out of rockets. Once they rearm, slowly over a few years, this shit will start all over.

You are such an asshole. You have no fucking clue about what she did or did not do and you still take the political hack route. If nothing else there is a correlation of her arrival and the ceasefire. Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation but it hardly rules it out.

[clambake]

wc knew where all the nukes were. lol

[SA210]

This isn't over, the cease fire is temporary theater. Sooner or later.. Israel will wipe em all out, and soon America will attack Iran with butt buddies Israel. None of this shit will stop, nobody has the balls to stand up to this pussy murderous President, Israel and the military industrial complex.

[clambake]

actually, nobody would survive standing up to the mic.

[ChumpDumper]

This isn't over, the cease fire is temporary theater. Sooner or later.. Israel will wipe em all out, and soon America will attack Iran with butt buddies Israel. None of this shit will stop, nobody has the balls to stand up to this pussy murderous President, Israel and the military industrial complex.I don't know what you're waiting for.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant wait for israel to swallow up more arab land

[Venti Quattro]

Maybe Hamas is a diversionary tactic for Iran?

[DMX7]

It absolutely disgusts me that my tax dollars go to Israel.

[Wild Cobra]

Translation: I fully admit that I am at best poorly informed and more than likely completely fucking wrong but I will take a stand according to my political indoctrination anyway.


You are such an asshole. You have no fucking clue about what she did or did not do and you still take the political hack route. If nothing else there is a correlation of her arrival and the ceasefire. Correlation doesn't necessarily imply causation but it hardly rules it out.

You are so fucking owned...

You simply cannot resist any opportunity to try to cut me down, can you. You are too fucking stupid to realize it doesn't work!

[ChumpDumper]

Seems like it kind of did work.

[ElNono]

Translation: I fully admit that I am at best poorly informed and more than likely completely fucking wrong but I will take a stand according to my political indoctrination anyway.

pretty much...

[ElNono]

I'm not close enough to the situation to have a solid answer. Under the circumstances I do know, and because of history, I support Israel to do as they think is necessary. If it were me, in a past event, I would have told Hamas "If this happens again, we will level 10 km of your land from our border so you have no place to hide mortars in range of us." Then, when it happens, make good on that promise. Effectively make a "DMZ."

This isn't a little group. When 10km aren't enough, keep the land grab with the bulldozers?

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol stealing land that didnt belong to them

gettin free land where they did shit nothing

lol arabs continue to be rick roll by westerners


for those that say nowhere in the world would accept the jews, so the british/french wankers go and put them in the middle east where they are not welcome hahahahaa, how come they just didnt give them one of the african countries or somewhere in the pacific...they can always build up their new country/economy and not worry about any arab hating jew getting there...

[Wild Cobra]

This isn't a little group. When 10km aren't enough, keep the land grab with the bulldozers?

LOL...

I think 10 KM would take away most their land.

I'll change that to 10 km outside of the city limits of their nearby cities.

Seriously though, how can any nation accept their neighbor lobbing over motors, rockets, and missiles? What would you do if you were the CiC of a nation, and your neighbor was doing that to you?

[Wild Cobra]

lol stealing land that didnt belong to them

gettin free land where they did shit nothing

lol arabs continue to be rick roll by westerners


for those that say nowhere in the world would accept the jews, so the british/french wankers go and put them in the middle east where they are not welcome hahahahaa, how come they just didnt give them one of the african countries or somewhere in the pacific...they can always build up their new country/economy and not worry about any arab hating jew getting there...
Actually, Israel had the right to all that land and more.

Remember the wars that were won by Israel?

They had every right to keep all that land that they are now being attacked from.

[velik_m]

LOL...

I think 10 KM would take away most their land.

I'll change that to 10 km outside of the city limits of their nearby cities.

Seriously though, how can any nation accept their neighbor lobbing over motors, rockets, and missiles? What would you do if you were the CiC of a nation, and your neighbor was doing that to you?

I would probably do the same as Hamas is doing - attack back.

[ElNono]

LOL...

I think 10 KM would take away most their land.

Then keep moving to Iran, Syria, Lybia, etc? I mean... it's not stopping.


I'll change that to 10 km outside of the city limits of their nearby cities.

Seriously though, how can any nation accept their neighbor lobbing over motors, rockets, and missiles? What would you do if you were the CiC of a nation, and your neighbor was doing that to you?

What I would do? I would GTFO of the region and live my life somewhere else. But I'm not the one attached to a piece of land under religious brainwashing, so I certainly don't speak for them.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are so fucking owned...

You simply cannot resist any opportunity to try to cut me down, can you. You are too fucking stupid to realize it doesn't work!


pretty much...


Note Nono's response. My audience is not you or at least not only you. I shoot you down because you are not only wrong but you are wrong for the same bullshit time and again.

When you do not argue my point but instead try this tact and it speaks to everyone else. At this point you have conceded that you speak on things that you are poorly informed on and instead choose a stance that is politically convenient to your ideology. It's an ethic that I have nothing but contempt for and when you do it again and again, I point it out.

You maintain no credibility around here so it does 'work.' I don't bother trying to convince you, dimwit.

[Borat Sagyidev]

Actually, Israel had the right to all that land and more.

Remember the wars that were won by Israel?

They had every right to keep all that land that they are now being attacked from.


Yup, with tons of foreign assistance, especially from US taxpayers.
Your ignorant views, let alone lifestyle are exactly why the republican party is in shambles.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dubby dub dub

[Borat Sagyidev]

I get a kick out of conservatives who want to appear so militant and principled but their only acts amount to putting on a bumper sticker and making an online presence.

Heck, the wealthy ones have been avoiding any manual labor or fighting for generations...since slavery. They should reflect their support and interest by going right over to help Israel in person. This is coming from someone who can be considered Jewish.

Nothing makes me happier than morons who want to eliminate themselves from the gene pool.

[DMC]

The world needs to step aside and let these people kill each other. They are both attention whores.

[DMC]

I get a kick out of conservatives who want to appear so militant and principled but their only acts amount to putting on a bumper sticker and making an online presence.

Heck, the wealthy ones have been avoiding any manual labor or fighting for generations...since slavery. They should reflect their support and interest by going right over to help Israel in person. This is coming from someone who can be considered Jewish.

Nothing makes me happier than morons who want to eliminate themselves from the gene pool.

Like your online presence here? Oh you must be posting from your Ipad as you stage a rally in Gaza.

[DMC]

They are taught hatred of the Jews, and can't wait to be old enough to carry a weapon.

Am I right or wrong?
We were taught hatred of the native Americans and couldn't wait to be old enough to have a real gun either.

[Nbadan]

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/22/bibi_loser_israeli_soldiers_spell_out_criticism_of _netanyahu_with_bodies/1353599977691.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg


In case there was any doubt of the frustration that many Israeli soldiers are feeling with the cease-fire, a photograph depicting 16 uniformed soldiers with their bodies arranged to spell out “Bibi loser” in Hebrew quickly turned viral Thursday. The Times of Israel calls it “a deft physical critique of Prime Minister Benjamin (Bibi) Netanyahu’s failure to send ground troops into Gaza during the just-ended Operation Pillar of Defense.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/22/bibi_loser_israeli_soldiers_spell_out_criticism_of _netanyahu_with_bodies.html

[TDMVPDPOY]

http://www.theage.com.au/world/hamas-says-israeli-troops-kill-farmer-in-gaza-after-ceasefire-20121123-29zg6.html

lol shooting farmers near the border....

breaking ceasefires

lol jews are on another level compared to commies...fck them

[Wild Cobra]

http://i49.tinypic.com/b4jos5.jpg
Do you think that pictorial lie is funny?

Part of the arsenal lobbed over by Gaza strip was Fajr-5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5) rockets. These have an effective range of 75 km and a 175 kg warhead.

[SA210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HB67FW-1AU

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HB67FW-1AU
What is your point?

Israel is responding to real attacks on their people.

[Jacob1983]

Ben Swann with the goods again. It's a shame he has to do those videos outside and not on television like he did in the past.

[Wild Cobra]

Ben Swann with the goods again. It's a shame he has to do those videos outside and not on television like he did in the past.
I agree Obama is indiscriminately using drones, and is on the verge of being a global war crimes criminal. I am questioning SA's reason of placing it in this thread.

[Jacob1983]

Obama is already a war criminal just like his best friend Bush was but he doesn't want you to know that. Obama doesn't want people to know that his foreign policy is similar to Bush's foreign policy but on steroids. Obama wants to be cool and relevant so he can't have people talking about his epic fails.

[Wild Cobra]

Obama is already a war criminal just like his best friend Bush was but he doesn't want you to know that. Obama doesn't want people to know that his foreign policy is similar to Bush's foreign policy but on steroids. Obama wants to be cool and relevant so he can't have people talking about his epic fails.
I will disagree. I know Bush was more zealous than many people like, but he did set in place an end to our conflict in Iraq. Obama never set an end in Afghanistan. Funny how it is the war liberals said was just. Lately, he has been taking on other nations. Worse yet, he is aiding the Muslim Brotherhood with our hard earned tax dollars.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I will disagree. I know Bush was more zealous than many people like, but he did set in place an end to our conflict in Iraq. Obama never set an end in Afghanistan. Funny how it is the war liberals said was just. Lately, he has been taking on other nations. Worse yet, he is aiding the Muslim Brotherhood with our hard earned tax dollars.

:lmao Republicans commending Bush for "setting a timeline" to end our conflict in Iraq when he wasted thousands of American lives and over a trillion dollars getting us into Iraq when we should have never been there in the first place

Obama does have a timeline to get us out of Afghanistan btw. I'm not gonna give him credit for it because Afghanistan will turn into shit right after we leave no matter how long we stay and we should have been out of there a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago, but he does have a timeline in place.

:lol Republicans suddenly being pacifists who are against middle eastern nation building when they were OK with it when Bush was president

[Wild Cobra]

Obama does have a timeline to get us out of Afghanistan btw.
I must have missed a newsflash.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I must have missed a newsflash.

Must have.

:lol "Bush might have made one of the biggest and most expensive mistakes in American history that ruined our credibility with other countries, but he set a :crytimeline:cry!"

[Wild Cobra]

You said Obama had a timeline. I don't know why I asked. You are always so full of bullshit.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All troops will be out of Afghanistan by 2014, is that not a timeline?

:lol Why didn't Bush create a timeline for Afghanistan seeing that he also started det war?

[Wild Cobra]

All troops will be out of Afghanistan by 2014, is that not a timeline?

:lol Why didn't Bush create a timeline for Afghanistan seeing that he also started det war?
Where is the link to the signed SOFA, or is it one of those political promises?

Hey DoK...

If you believe Obama's words, I have a bridge I'll sell you for cheap...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Where is the link to the signed SOFA, or is it one of those political promises?

Hey DoK...

If you believe Obama's words, I have a bridge I'll sell you for cheap...

I believe his words because they're highly unimpressive. It's not like him saying he'll trim the deficit in half. Getting out of Afghanistan by 2014 isn't some bold promise.

Why didn't Bush set a timeline for Afghanistan since he started the war?

[SA210]

All troops will be out of Afghanistan by 2014, is that not a timeline?

:lol Why didn't Bush create a timeline for Afghanistan seeing that he also started det war?


"The White House is considering a plan to leave around 10,000 U.S. troops (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324784404578141404242088648.html?u ser=welcome&mg=id-wsj) in Afghanistan after 2014, The Wall Street Journal reports. According to the report, Gen. John Allen (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324784404578141404242088648.html?u ser=welcome&mg=id-wsj), the commander of U.S. and international forces in Afghanistan, has proposed to keep between 6,000 and 15,000 U.S. troops in the country following the end of combat operations in 2014."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/afghanistan-us-troops-2014_n_2191929.html

[RandomGuy]

I must have missed a newsflash.

You do that a lot.

[RandomGuy]

You said Obama had a timeline. I don't know why I asked. You are always so full of bullshit.

House GOP Leaders Block Amendment Solidifying Afghanistan Withdrawal Timeline (click for link) (http://truth-out.org/news/item/9241-how-house-gop-leaders-silenced-support-for-amendment-solidifying-afghanistan-withdrawal-timeline)

Republicans seem to think he has a timeline.

Hope that is context-y enough for you.

[CosmicCowboy]

They will just do the same thing they did in Iraq...pull the troops out on the "deadline" and then get the State Department to replace them with mercenaries at 5 times the cost.

[RandomGuy]

They will just do the same thing they did in Iraq...pull the troops out on the "deadline" and then get the State Department to replace them with mercenaries at 5 times the cost.

Actually the mercenaries were really only in play while we still had combat ops, as we didn't have enough troops. Most of them left long before the last combat formations, if I have it correctly, but I am not very confident in that statement, and could be wrong.

[boutons_deux]

Actually the mercenaries were really only in play while we still had combat ops, as we didn't have enough troops. Most of them left long before the last combat formations, if I have it correctly, but I am not very confident in that statement, and could be wrong.

I think that disfiguring turd of the US Embassy in Iraq is secured mostly by mercenaries under the State Dept.

[CosmicCowboy]

State department admits to having almost 6000 mercs in Iraq. No telling how many more are hidden as "private contractors".

[ChumpDumper]

State department admits to having almost 6000 mercs in Iraq. No telling how many more are hidden as "private contractors".Another conspiracy!

[SA210]

"The White House is considering a plan to leave around 10,000 U.S. troops (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324784404578141404242088648.html?u ser=welcome&mg=id-wsj) in Afghanistan after 2014, The Wall Street Journal reports. According to the report, Gen. John Allen (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324784404578141404242088648.html?u ser=welcome&mg=id-wsj), the commander of U.S. and international forces in Afghanistan, has proposed to keep between 6,000 and 15,000 U.S. troops in the country following the end of combat operations in 2014."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/afghanistan-us-troops-2014_n_2191929.html

[CosmicCowboy]

Another conspiracy!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/3975167029_cc949b8077.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

CC, trying to dismiss you being called out for inserting what you want to be true for what is true with pictures of dog penis speaks to you and your credibility more than it does of Chump's. You and WC are two peas in a pod in that regard and only a step away from truthers.

The world is as it is and now how you want it to be. Hidden mercenaries? gmfb

[LnGrrrR]

Pulling out rarely means pulling out all troops, full stop. It just means the great majority.

And I thought conservatives/Republicans hated timelines, and thought they were a horrible thing? Remember all the "If we have a timeline, the terrorists will just wait us out!" Where did all that go?

[CosmicCowboy]

Pulling out rarely means pulling out all troops, full stop. It just means the great majority.

And I thought conservatives/Republicans hated timelines, and thought they were a horrible thing? Remember all the "If we have a timeline, the terrorists will just wait us out!" Where did all that go?

I don't want to be there at all. If it was my decision I'd tell Karzai "adios muthafucker" and get the fuck out tomorrow.

[CosmicCowboy]

CC, trying to dismiss you being called out for inserting what you want to be true for what is true with pictures of dog penis speaks to you and your credibility more than it does of Chump's. You and WC are two peas in a pod in that regard and only a step away from truthers.

The world is as it is and now how you want it to be. Hidden mercenaries? gmfb

Been living under a rock, fuckhead? It's common knowledge reported in multiple legitimate media sites that troops in Iraq were replaced by private mercenaries hired by the State Department. Among other things they provide security for the Green Zone in Baghdad.

[ChumpDumper]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2476/3975167029_cc949b8077.jpgAw, a picture of you on Obama's pant leg.

Cute!

[Wild Cobra]

House GOP Leaders Block Amendment Solidifying Afghanistan Withdrawal Timeline (click for link) (http://truth-out.org/news/item/9241-how-house-gop-leaders-silenced-support-for-amendment-solidifying-afghanistan-withdrawal-timeline)

Republicans seem to think he has a timeline.

Hope that is context-y enough for you.
LOL...

In the defense bill...

LOL...

What else did it include?

A SOFA is an agreement between two countries. Not part of a defense bill!

[RandomGuy]

State department admits to having almost 6000 mercs in Iraq. No telling how many more are hidden as "private contractors".

Interesting. Went digging and found this:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/37877/iraq-withdrawal-obama-and-clinton-expanding-us-paramilitary-force-iraq#



The State Department is asking Congress to approve funds to more than double the number of private security contractors in Iraq with a State Department official testifying in June at a hearing of the Wartime Contracting Commission that the Department wants "between 6,000 and 7,000 security contractors." The Department also has asked the Pentagon for twenty-four Blackhawk helicopters, fifty Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected (MRAP) vehicles and other military equipment. "After the departure of U.S. Forces [from Iraq], we will continue to have a critical need for logistical and life support of a magnitude and scale of complexity that is unprecedented in the history of the Department of State," wrote Patrick Kennedy, under secretary of state for management, in an April letter to the Pentagon. "And to keep our people secure, Diplomatic Security requires certain items of equipment that are only available from the military."

...

What is unfolding is the face of President Obama's scaled-down, rebranded mini-occupation of Iraq. Under the terms of the Status of Forces agreement, all US forces are supposed to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011. Using private forces is a backdoor way of continuing a substantial US presence under the cover of "diplomatic security."

Sounds like an expensive way of buying influence, and keeping Iraq from devolving into a civil war.

Probably better than paying higher oil prices, and a ready made counter to Iranian influence. (we appear to be keeping some bases there)

Wonder how much this Bush-era boondoggle is going to contribute to the national debt in the next 10 years?

Iraq: the Republican gift that keeps on giving. :^/

I shudder to think of the VA costs for the rest of my life incurred because of Iraq. Caring for PTSD, TBI, and other injuries for a lifetime is big $$$$.

[Wild Cobra]

Hillary is just a bigger war machine than we thought.

[RandomGuy]

LOL...

In the defense bill...

LOL...

What else did it include?

A SOFA is an agreement between two countries. Not part of a defense bill!

You said, or at least seemed to imply, Obama didn't have a "timeline". to paraphrase:

"You said Obama had a timeline, what bullshit"

I provided something that seems to conclusively prove that statement to be incorrect.

Whether it is a hard and fast timeline, or not is another matter. Is that what you were trying to get at?

[Wild Cobra]

You said, or at least seemed to imply, Obama didn't have a "timeline". to paraphrase:

"You said Obama had a timeline, what bullshit"

I provided something that seems to conclusively prove that statement to be incorrect.

Whether it is a hard and fast timeline, or not is another matter. Is that what you were trying to get at?
What is reported as a timeline for Obama is as meaningless as saying now, what you plan to have for breakfast 3 years from now. It will change with other factors.

[RandomGuy]

What is reported as a timeline for Obama is as meaningless as saying now, what you plan to have for breakfast 3 years from now. It will change with other factors.

Gotcha. You should be clearer than. Saying "he has no timeline at all" is quite different than saying "he isn't serious about his timeline".

So you seem to think that any withdrawal should be independent of ground circumstances at the time?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Been living under a rock, fuckhead? It's common knowledge reported in multiple legitimate media sites that troops in Iraq were replaced by private mercenaries hired by the State Department. Among other things they provide security for the Green Zone in Baghdad.

That's not the conspiracy. What you are clming is that the DoD is hiring mercenaries and not disclosing them. You said:


No telling how many more are hidden as "private contractors".

You really do suck at critical thinking. Is that age or are you just stupid? And note when i call you stupid, i do it after describing how you failed to understand what should have been a simple concept that you yourself stated.

[CosmicCowboy]

That's not the conspiracy. What you are clming is that the DoD is hiring mercenaries and not disclosing them. You said:



You really do suck at critical thinking. Is that age or are you just stupid? And note when i call you stupid, i do it after describing how you failed to understand what should have been a simple concept that you yourself stated.

LOL @ YOU calling ME stupid, loser...

[Wild Cobra]

Fuzzy just doesn't know when to stop. He's so stupid, he doesn't know when he loses.

[GoodOdor]

He's so stupid, he doesn't know when he loses.

Kinda sounds like this one dude I know, here's how it usually goes with him:

Racist old stupid fuck: "something extremely stupid"

Someone:"no, that's is not true. What you just said is extremely stupid."

Racist old stupid fuck: " :cryno, I didn't actually say that, you just completely misunderstood me! you need to understand what I meant, not what I actually wrote:cry"

[Jacob1983]

Can't we just agree that Obama is a neo-con on foreign policy?

[Wild Cobra]

Can't we just agree that Obama is a neo-con on foreign policy?
You mean a Johnson democrat?

[ChumpDumper]

You mean a Johnson democrat?He means a Republican.

[Wild Cobra]

He means a Republican.
What was Johnson's foreign policy? Obama seems closer to Johnson than any republican I can think of.

[ChumpDumper]

What was Johnson's foreign policy? Obama seems closer to Johnson than any republican I can think of.Don't worry about it. You have an incredibly biased memory.

[tlongII]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/205477_10151148447415911_1739620089_n.png

[RandomGuy]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/205477_10151148447415911_1739620089_n.png

I see you have them in the crushing grip of reason.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL @ YOU calling ME stupid, loser...

You should be proud. In all of this, you have WC supporting you. Certainly lend credibility don't you think?

We have been through this before. If you are going to claim that I am stupid then you need to provide supporting arguments. What you are doing right now is masturbation because any lay person that comes by and reads the diatribe will see no basis for your claim. It has the opposite effect you want as it hearkens to middle schoolers mindlessly bashing.

Refer back to my breaking down how to read sentences and the meaning of adverbs like 'sometimes' and your failure to do so. From that I point to your inability to perform on an 8th grade reading level --and that is not hyperbole-- as to why you lack intelligence. When people read that they can see your failure at basic reading skills. See how that works?

[CosmicCowboy]

You should be proud. In all of this, you have WC supporting you. Certainly lend credibility don't you think?

We have been through this before. If you are going to claim that I am stupid then you need to provide supporting arguments. What you are doing right now is masturbation because any lay person that comes by and reads the diatribe will see no basis for your claim. It has the opposite effect you want as it hearkens to middle schoolers mindlessly bashing.

Refer back to my breaking down how to read sentences and the meaning of adverbs like 'sometimes' and your failure to do so. From that I point to your inability to perform on an 8th grade reading level --and that is not hyperbole-- as to why you lack intelligence. When people read that they can see your failure at basic reading skills. See how that works?

Still waiting for you to provide a link to one of your imaginary friends that thinks Salt Lake City is on the West Coast.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As I told you before, that is a red herring. Give me a justification for the premise of your question and I will consider answering it. But hey WC has your back.. Maybe he can come up with one for you.

[Jacob1983]

I laugh at people that get defensive and upset when someone makes the legitimate claim that Obama is similar to Bush when it comes to foreign policy.

[SA210]

I laugh at people that get defensive and upset when someone makes the legitimate claim that Obama is similar to Bush when it comes to foreign policy.

[ChumpDumper]

Has SA210 ever had an original thought?

[Drachen]

Has SA210 ever had an original thought?



Yes
of course
I
have had an
original thought?

[RandomGuy]

I laugh at people that get defensive and upset when someone makes the legitimate claim that Obama is similar to Bush when it comes to foreign policy.

He is quite similar, for good and bad, mostly good.

Bush's foreign policy in the last year or two of his presidency was actually fairly effective and decent. It took him about six years to pull his administration's collective head out of its ass. I would guess he finally grew a spine and started standing up to Cheney et al, and the ignorant fucks that seem to populate the GOP zealot wing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sorry but there is a doctrine named after Bush: the Bush Doctrine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine

Obama doesn't act unilaterally like that.

[Drachen]

He is quite similar, for good and bad, mostly good.

Bush's foreign policy in the last year or two of his presidency was actually fairly effective and decent. It took him about six years to pull his administration's collective head out of its ass. I would guess he finally grew a spine and started standing up to Cheney et al, and the ignorant fucks that seem to populate the GOP zealot wing.

I remember the last 8 months of his presidency thinking, "damn, if we had this guy as president for the last 7 years, I would have been largely satisfied". I chalked it up to the same reasons you did. He started doing things he thought was right instead of what Cheney, wolfowitz, et al told him to do.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol latest UN meeting identifying palestine as state

guess the clowns who veto or went against it

i to wonder did USA made their decision independently in the best interest for themselves and the issue, or was it the zionist/israelites in american politics are voting for their agenda?...

[Wild Cobra]

A new little tidbit:

Charles Krauthammer: Why was there war in Gaza? (http://www.recordonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121202/OPINION/212020315/-1/SITEMAP)

Part of the article:


What occupation? Seven years ago, in front of the world, Israel pulled out of Gaza. It dismantled every settlement, withdrew every soldier, evacuated every Jew, leaving nothing and no one behind. Except for the greenhouses in which the settlers had grown fruit and flowers for export. These were left intact to help Gaza's economy — only to be trashed when the Palestinians took over.

Israel then declared its border with Gaza to be an international frontier, meaning that it renounced any claim to the territory and considered it an independent entity. In effect, Israel had created the first Palestinian state ever, something never granted by fellow Muslims — neither the Ottoman Turks nor the Egyptians who brutally occupied Gaza for two decades before being driven out by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.

Israel wanted nothing more than to live in peace with this independent Palestinian entity. After all, the world had incessantly demanded that Israel give up land for peace.

It gave the land. It got no peace.

What did Hamas hope to gain from this latest round of fighting, which it started with a barrage of about 150 rockets into Israel? To formally translate Hamas' recent strategic gains into a new, more favorable status quo with Israel. It works like this:

Hamas' new strength comes from two sources. First, its new rocketry, especially the Fajr-5, smuggled in from Iran, that can now reach Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, putting 50 percent of Israel's population under its guns.

Second, Hamas has gained strategic strength from changes in the regional environment. It has acquired the patronage and protection of important Middle Eastern states as a result of the Arab Spring and the Islamist reversal in Turkey.

For 60 years, non-Arab Turkey had been a reliable ally of Israel. The vicious turnaround instituted by its Islamist prime minister, Recep Erdogan, reached its apogee on Monday when he called Israel a terrorist state.

Egypt is now run by Hamas' own mother organization, the Muslim Brotherhood, of which Hamas is simply the Palestinian wing. And the emir of Qatar recently visited Gaza, leaving behind a promise of a cool $400 million.

Israel has once again succeeded in defending itself. But, yet again, only until the next round, which, as the night follows the day, will come. Hamas will see to that.

[ChumpDumper]

Krauthammer is such a drama queen.

[Wild Cobra]

Krauthammer is such a drama queen.
Do you disagree with the facts he presents? Is he making them up?

Disagree with his conclusions or opinion all you want. What about the facts?

[ChumpDumper]

He presents a bunch of emotional whining as fact.

I disagree with that.

Israel wanted nothing more than to live in peace with this independent Palestinian entityThat's a huge load of shit.

[Wild Cobra]

He presents a bunch of emotional whining as fact.

I disagree with that.
That's a huge load of shit.
So you opinion differs. Why doesn't that surprise me?

[ChumpDumper]

So you opinion differs. Why doesn't that surprise me?He also acts like the land Israel "gave" them and their economy is completely within their control. It's just such a ridiculous lie whatever opinions he might have on the situation are undermined and rendered moot.

He's a shill.

[boutons_deux]

Pushback: Israel withholds Palestinian revenue, approves new settlements

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government struck a $120 million blow to the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority today
The financial punishment


As the custodian of Palestinian Authority tax revenues, Israel wields significant financial leverage over the PA thanks to an annex of the Oslo Accords known as the Paris Protocol.


The PA owes Israel roughly 800 million shekels ($210 million) in unpaid electricity bills and has yet to pay November salaries. It was counting on 460 million shekels ($120 million) in November tax revenues to meet payroll. But today Israel’s minister of Finance announced that rather than transfer the tax revenues to the PA, it would deduct that amount as a down payment on the PA’s overdue electricity bill.


While Israel had threatened to withhold tax revenues if the Palestinians pursued their UN bid, it also has expressed concern that the deep and chronic economic crisis in the West Bank could spark greater restlessness –

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1202/Pushback-Israel-withholds-Palestinian-revenue-approves-new-settlements?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fcsm+%28Christian+Scie nce+Monitor+|+All+Stories%29

You Don't Mess with the Zohan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZF_IQg6-Mw

[Wild Cobra]

He also acts like the land Israel "gave" them and their economy is completely within their control. It's just such a ridiculous lie whatever opinions he might have on the situation are undermined and rendered moot.

He's a shill.
Oh, but you are at least 20 times a better shill.

[Wild Cobra]

Pushback: Israel withholds Palestinian revenue, approves new settlements

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government struck a $120 million blow to the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority today
The financial punishment


As the custodian of Palestinian Authority tax revenues, Israel wields significant financial leverage over the PA thanks to an annex of the Oslo Accords known as the Paris Protocol.


The PA owes Israel roughly 800 million shekels ($210 million) in unpaid electricity bills and has yet to pay November salaries. It was counting on 460 million shekels ($120 million) in November tax revenues to meet payroll. But today Israel’s minister of Finance announced that rather than transfer the tax revenues to the PA, it would deduct that amount as a down payment on the PA’s overdue electricity bill.


While Israel had threatened to withhold tax revenues if the Palestinians pursued their UN bid, it also has expressed concern that the deep and chronic economic crisis in the West Bank could spark greater restlessness –

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/1202/Pushback-Israel-withholds-Palestinian-revenue-approves-new-settlements?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fcsm+%28Christian+Scie nce+Monitor+|+All+Stories%29

You Don't Mess with the Zohan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZF_IQg6-Mw
Serves them right. I'll bet the defense efforts cost them far more the $120 million.

[ChumpDumper]

Oh, but you are at least 20 times a better shill.For what?

I think both sides have been disingenuous pricks.

[Wild Cobra]

For what?

I think both sides have been disingenuous pricks.
Perhaps, but I will give the side constantly having to protect itself the benifit of doubt.

[ChumpDumper]

Perhaps, but I will give the side constantly having to protect itself the benifit of doubt.Both sides have had to do that from disingenuous pricks.

[Wild Cobra]

Both sides have had to do that from disingenuous pricks.
You lost me.

How is shooting rockets and mortars into Israel a protective measure?

[ChumpDumper]

You lost me.Quelle surprise.

[Wild Cobra]

Quelle surprise.
Yet you don't answer my question.

Par for the course.

[ChumpDumper]

Yet you don't answer my question.

Par for the course.Why should I?

You're lost.

But the Palestinians have put up with a bunch of shit you would claim you would never put up with -- I have trouble believing you since you are such a shill yourself.

If you're a fan of slow motion ethnic cleansing, so be it. Others might not share your opinion.

[Wild Cobra]

Why should I?

You're lost.

But the Palestinians have put up with a bunch of shit you would claim you would never put up with -- I have trouble believing you since you are such a shill yourself.
So starting a war is the answer, when it never works for them? Repeatedly, how many time? They have to be insane.

Do you seriously think that's appropriate?

What would your solution be? Do you have one?

[ChumpDumper]

Terror worked for Israel when they started out.

You tell me what's appropriate.

[Wild Cobra]

Terror worked for Israel when they started out.

You tell me what's appropriate.
I see...

You live in the past.

What do I think is appropriate? Leave Israel alone. No mercy to the aggressor when shit starts. The borders are established, let it be.

[ChumpDumper]

I see...

You live in the past.I see.

You live in denial.


What do I think is appropriate? Leave Israel alone. No mercy to the aggressor when shit starts. The borders are established, let it be.You act as if there is an independent Palestine.

That is a lie.

[Wild Cobra]

I see.

You live in denial.

You act as if there is an independent Palestine.

That is a lie.
Really? You once again misjudge me. No surprise there.

You still haven't answered why lobbing mortars and rockets are appropriate. How can anyone accept full independence and UN acceptance for such a rouge entity?

[ChumpDumper]

Really? You once again misjudge me. No surprise there.then you agree the border are pretty meaningless.

Ok.


You still haven't answered why lobbing mortars and rockets are appropriate. How can anyone accept full independence and UN acceptance for such a rouge entity?You recognize Israel.

Terrorism helped them become independent and gain UN acceptance.

[Wild Cobra]

then you agree the border are pretty meaningless.

Ok.
Wrong.

You recognize Israel.
Yes.

Terrorism helped them become independent and gain UN acceptance.
Really? I'm not aware of that. What are you speaking of? The UK was the occupier and granted them statehood in the late 40's. Surrounding nations didn't like that and started a war.

Am I wrong?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not aware of that.No shit.

[Wild Cobra]

No shit.
That's it? No Shit.... and no link. Can you prove me wrong?

That's not how I remember it from history class.

Revisionist history maybe?

[ChumpDumper]

That's it? No Shit.... and no link. Can you prove me wrong?

That's not how I remember it from history class.

Revisionist history maybe?No. It's simply what happened.

Sorry you were so poorly educated, but your continued ignorance is your problem and your responsibility.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

Once again, no evidence.

I'm suppose to take your word?

No thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...

Once again, no evidence.

I'm suppose to take your word?

No thanks.I certainly wouldn't expect you to actually educate yourself. That would be too much for you.

I'll let you live with your rosy fantasy of instantly granted statehood. The Jews just asked nicely using good handwriting on fancy stationery.

[Wild Cobra]

I certainly wouldn't expect you to actually educate yourself. That would be too much for you.
Well, I have actually been searching material on the topic. You are misinformed. There was a radical faction that attacked British interests, but at the same time, the majority of Jewish people were working with the British. Not against them. I believe one number I found had 10% of eligible Jews volunteer for the British military. It was the Arabs causing the British problems in the 40's. Not the Jews.

I'll let you live with your rosy fantasy of instantly granted statehood. The Jews just asked nicely using good handwriting on fancy stationery.
Actually, I believe the British changed their mind. Said they were going to grand a Jewish state, and the Arabs resisted. Israel then self declared statehood, which cause the Arab nations to start the war.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, I have actually been searching material on the topic.

You are misinformed. There was a radical faction that attacked British interests, but at the same time, the majority of Jewish people were working with the British. Not against them. I believe one number I found had 10% of eligible Jews volunteer for the British military. It was the Arabs causing the British problems in the 40's. Not the Jews.You are misinformed.

[Wild Cobra]

You are misinformed.
You going to prove me wrong, or are we to believe you. The Master Baiter of this forum?

[ChumpDumper]

You going to prove me wrongLike you proved yourself right with extensive links and citations?

Hypocrite.

[Wild Cobra]

Like you proved yourself right with extensive links and citations?

Hypocrite.
I've been actually reading various material. Have you looked up and verified any of your accusations? Nothing I read is in conflict of what I have maintained. More to it than I remembered, but nothing so far that shows the Jewish leaders of the time as attacking British interests. A few small radical groups, yes. The Jewish leadership, no.

[ChumpDumper]

Sure it's not like a terrorist leader became prime minister or anything.

[Wild Cobra]

Sure it's not like a terrorist leader became prime minister or anything.
Ben-Gurion was no terrorist. He did have plans with the Irgun and Lehi, but then backed out when he learned the true nature of the plans. He was probably the one that sent warning to the British ahead of the bombing. From those of Jewish heritage, it was the Irgun, and worse yet, the Lehi who were causing problems. The Lehi was a Fascist group that initially backed Germany against the British.

[ChumpDumper]

Ben-Gurion was no terrorist. He did have plans with the Irgun and Lehi, but then backed out when he learned the true nature of the plans. He was probably the one that sent warning to the British ahead of the bombing. From those of Jewish heritage, it was the Irgun, and worse yet, the Lehi who were causing problems. The Lehi was a Fascist group that initially backed Germany against the British.Menachem Begin was head of the Irgun.

Thanks for helping me out again, WC! :toast

[LnGrrrR]

I see...

You live in the past.

What do I think is appropriate? Leave Israel alone. No mercy to the aggressor when shit starts. The borders are established, let it be.

So do you also support removing the blockades, and stopping Israel from building up settlements where they're not supposed to?

[Wild Cobra]

Menachem Begin was head of the Irgun.

Thanks for helping me out again, WC! :toast
OK, I didn't know a member of that paramilitary group was the 6th Prime minister. Still, different time. They were fighting a physical occupier that was abusing the people. Not the same as Israel not being in Gaza. That group wasn't that bad anyway, as it was absorbed into the IDF if I recall.

[ChumpDumper]

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p133/debs711/goalposts.gif

[ChumpDumper]

That group wasn't that bad anywayhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/KD_1946.JPG/604px-KD_1946.JPG

Your views on terrorism are evolving.