Disturbing trend...

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Parker with the ball late in the game = turnover/airball/brick.:(

Parker is great at racking up points through the first three-and-a-half quarters or so, but it seems that when the opposition shuts down the lane and clamps down tight on D, we only have a few players who can will the ball in the hole.

With the game on the line, I hope Tony will continue going to Tim, Manu, and the Mase Killer.

[Yorae]

I believe the opponent team put their best defender against tony in the 4th. Talk about scouting reports. Ariza did great defense in the 4th.

[thekingrobert]

to me tony looked tired tonight

[Keepin' it real]

I noticed the same thing. It stood out because it happened in other games recently, too. Looks like Tony is looking to be the go-to guy at the end. We already have Manu, Tim and now Mason for that. Tony is the 4th end-of-game option, at best. Hope this is addressed before the playoffs.

[jag]

YcKCxWZnrZU

please gtfo

[2centsworth]

I've been watching Tony since he first entered the league. For those of you who haven't watched more than the past two games, you might be surprised to know that Tony is a very reliable crunch time player. His confidence seems a little shaken right now for some odd reason, but Tony is usually a fearless player.

[scanry]

I believe the opponent team put their best defender against tony in the 4th. Talk about scouting reports. Ariza did great defense in the 4th.

Ariza was guarding him for the majority of the game.

This has become a trend and Parker needs to realize this. He has to give the damn ball to Tim or Manu in the 4th. That's what got us the championships.

[stxspurs]

i rather have hill out there....parker just cant do it in cruch time....too many turnovers like u said.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Not just tonight. This has been a recurring thing over the last several games...outside of the wide open game-winner he hit, he has botched a few end-of-game possessions.

I guess you could say he's not been looking very "clutch."

[Kori Ellis]

Tony has the best clutch/4th quarter stats on the Spurs this season.

He hasn't been great in the 4th the past couple games though. Tonight I believe Tony was 1-for-2 in the 4th with 1 turnover. But the Laker D was all over him in the 2nd half compared to the 1st half.

[anakha]

outside of the wide open game-winner he hit

You lost all credibility here.

[Rapper]

Parker with the ball late in the game = turnover/airball/brick.:(

.

strongly agreed

[scanry]

to me tony looked tired tonight

Dude played 34 minutes and he looks tired to you.

BTW Hill was playing really well today.:hat

[2centsworth]

Tony has the best clutch/4th quarter stats on the Spurs this season.

He hasn't been great in the 4th the past couple games though. Tonight I believe Tony was 1-for-2 in the 4th with 1 turnover. But the Laker D was all over him in the 2nd half compared to the 1st half.

tony has been a very clutch player throughout his career, but those 4th qtr stats are very misleading. Tony had two very questionable passes to Duncan that resulted in TOs, but I guess they assessed those to Timmy. To me Tony looked very gun shy and turnover prone tonight.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

YcKCxWZnrZU

please gtfo

Guess I am not the only Spurs fan who shares this concern?

Yeah he nailed that game winner, and I actually was hoping it would reverse the trend that had already begun to appear. But he almost cost us tonight, and he had a big hand in the loss to Orlando, if I remember right.

[Ginobilly]

I've been watching Tony since he first entered the league. For those of you who haven't watched more than the past two games, you might be surprised to know that Tony is a very reliable crunch time player. His confidence seems a little shaken right now for some odd reason, but Tony is usually a fearless player.

your right, but against the Lakers Tony has historically not been good. Give the ball to Mase/TD/Manu.

[Kori Ellis]

In the 4th, Tony was 1-for-2 with a turnover. Manu was 1-for-3 with 2 turnovers and a missed freethrow.

Neither of them were good in the 4th, but they carried the Spurs through 3 quarters.

It's a team game, Duncan and Mason were the men in the 4th.

[2centsworth]

i rather have hill out there....parker just cant do it in cruch time....too many turnovers like u said.


this is sickeningly ignorant. :bang (short memories)

[2centsworth]

In the 4th, Tony was 1-for-2 with a turnover. Manu was 1-for-3 with 2 turnovers and a missed freethrow.

Neither of them were good in the 4th, but they carried the Spurs through 3 quarters.

It's a team game, Duncan and Mason were the men in the 4th.

more tony vs manu talk, no thanks.

[anakha]

:lol at the Parker haters coming out in force tonight.

[timvp]

Parker with the ball late in the game = 42.7 points per 48 minutes, 56.9% from the field, 1.6 turnovers per 48 minutes

Fixed.

[Creation88]

actually i think the ball in Manu's hands mean a turnover late in the game.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

I think that Tony possesses great scoring ability AS LONG AS THE D ISN'T KEYING ON HIM. When they take away his drive with help and play him close on the perimiter, he sort of dries up.

[Kori Ellis]

more tony vs manu talk, no thanks.

No that was actually Tony & Manu vs Mason & Tim talk. I was putting Tony and Manu together :lol

[timvp]

I'm convinced a large segment of Spurs fans were dropped on their heads at birth.

[scanry]

this is sickeningly ignorant. :bang (short memories)

I wouldn't go that far, however Parker has to player better in the crunch time.

[DrHouse]

Nope that was the result of Ariza's defense. Expect to see more of that in the playoffs.

[Reck]

I'll agreed on the turning the ball over so much lately.

I hope he gets over that hump pronto.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

actually i think the ball in Manu's hands mean a turnover late in the game.

For the most part, I agree...

[2centsworth]

your right, but against the Lakers Tony has historically not been good. Give the ball to Mase/TD/Manu.

Tony is exceptionally good against the Lakers when the Spurs are in a competitive game. The only time Tony doesn't do so well the Spurs are getting blown out, which has been often against the Lakers.

[DAF86]

Did you know that he's hitting 57% of his shots in the clutch?

However I did get angry at Tony for his performance at the end of the game tonight, but it was for not taking shots that he usually takes (and makes) and making stupid passes that ended in turnovers.

But either way saying that Tony doesn't deliver in the clutch is ridiculous when stats show that he does.

[Yorae]

Nope that was the result of Ariza's defense. Expect to see more of that in the playoffs.

Sorry but TP will figure out Ariza in the POs and crush him.

[RC's Boss]

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?! ARE YOU BASTARDS SERIOUS? IF A PLAY IS DRAWN UP FOR TIM OR MANU, COOL, BUT TONY IS AND HAS BEEN SINCE LIKE 00 OR 01 THE SPURS 2ND OPTION ON OFFENSE. GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY. MOST OF YOU IDIOTS COULD CHOP OFF 2 FINGERS ON ONE HAND AND RUN OUT OF FINGERS ON THAT HAND B4 NAMING PGs BETTER BTHAN TONY PARKER. STFU PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

[DAF86]

actually i think the ball in Manu's hands mean a turnover late in the game

What?

[timvp]

I wouldn't go that far, however Parker has to player better in the crunch time.
Exactly how many more points do you want him to average in crunch time? He's already 8th in the NBA and out of those 8, he is second in field goal percentage. He also averages the third least turnovers in the clutch of the top ten scorers.

Spurs fans are pretty damn hard to please if those stats aren't sufficient enough.

[timaios]

...and here we go again
...and again
...and again

:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes:roll eyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Fixed.

These stats make Tony look like Kobe, which he is not. Everyone knows that. Stats are only so good, and they can never tell the whole story.

Timvp, can you find stats on Tony's BA's late in the game? Or maybe just the stats above, but limited to the last 10 games?

[2centsworth]

Did you know that he's hitting 57% of his shots in the clutch?

However I did get angry at Tony for his performance at the end of the game tonight, but it was for not taking shots that he usually takes (and makes) and making stupid passes that ended in turnovers.

But either way saying that Tony doesn't deliver in the clutch is ridiculous when stats show that he does.

I can't agree with this more.:toast

[RC's Boss]

The same idiots say he isn't a true pg b/c he doesn't avg. 10 apg...... As if assists are the only stats that make you a pg. As if a big man isn't in the paint to dump the ball to and draw double teams.

[Kori Ellis]

Exactly how many more points do you want him to average in crunch time? He's already 8th in the NBA and out of those 8, he is second in field goal percentage. He also averages the third least turnovers in the clutch of the top ten scorers.

Spurs fans are pretty damn hard to please if those stats aren't sufficient enough.

Don't waste your time explaining. Earlier in the game when Tony was like 6-for-9, Spurs fans were bitching about bad shot selection. :lol It's just how it goes.

[2centsworth]

Exactly how many more points do you want him to average in crunch time? He's already 8th in the NBA and out of those 8, he is second in field goal percentage. He also averages the third least turnovers in the clutch of the top ten scorers.

Spurs fans are pretty damn hard to please if those stats aren't sufficient enough.

it's called memory loss. Spurs fan can only remember 1 or 2 games back.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

What?

I'll qualify that by saying that hasn't been the case lately, and I hope he's on an upward curve.

He just needs to temper "tragic johnson" tendencies just a bit. Tonight I thought he did that.

[timvp]

Timvp, can you find stats on Tony's BA's late in the game?Blocks against? If he's shooting 56.9%, why would it matter if he's getting his shot blocked on the misses?

[pawe]

A more disturbing trend is posters not thinking before starting a thread. TP is clutch and the Spurs wouldnt have any problem if he made the last shot or would run the last play. Even Pop trusted him a few games ago to run the play without calling a timeout on the closing seconds of the game.

[anakha]

After realizing that the OP is the same poster who accused Parker of freezing out Mason before, I now know that I should give his opinions all the respect they deserve.

Meaning, none.

[2centsworth]

the only player that had my blood boiling until the last minute of the game was Duncan. Then he reminded me he's superman.

[timvp]

I give up on these types of Spurs fans. Parker gets bashed after every loss, that's a given. But now the new trend is to bash him after any close game. The only time threads like these don't appear is if the Spurs win in a blowout. You win, New Age Spurs Fans, you win.

:yield

[stxspurs]

i rather have hill out there....parker just cant do it in cruch time....too many turnovers like u said.


this is sickeningly ignorant. :bang (short memories)

speaking of the last few games

[Shastafarian]

Blocks against? If he's shooting 56.9%, why would it matter if he's getting his shot blocked on the misses?

uh oh

[RC's Boss]

your right, but against the Lakers Tony has historically not been good. Give the ball to Mase/TD/Manu.

What games have you been watching??????? Check the records stat boy before making quotes that hold no weight.:rolleyes

[anakha]

speaking of the last few games

:lol at the backpedaling

[Shastafarian]

I give up on these types of Spurs fans. Parker gets bashed after every loss, that's a given. But now the new trend is to bash him after any close game. The only time threads like these don't appear is if the Spurs win in a blowout. You win, New Age Spurs Fans, you win.

:yield

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe there are so many because they actually are seeing something? Both Tony and Manu were iffy late in the game tonight so I'm not sure the point of this thread. But have you ever considered you're wrong? :lol I forgot who I was talking to...

[Kori Ellis]

the only player that had my blood boiling until the last minute of the game was Duncan. Then he reminded me he's superman.

:lol

Timmy came up big in the closing minutes.

But that's what being a team is all about. Tony and Manu had strong 3 quarters tonight. Neither of them did much of anything in the 4th. But Timmy and Roger came through late.

I don't know why Spurs fans don't just think that's awesome that the team has so many good players that anyone can step up at any time. Not every player is going to be a superstar every second they are on the floor. But it doesn't mean the Spurs aren't blessed with the players they've got. And it certainly doesn't mean that TP or Manu or anyone else is "choking" in the 4th.

[InK]

There is no trend :sleep

[underdawg]

this is sickeningly ignorant. :bang (short memories)

you always want your best players in the game at the end, but there are going to be rare occasions when a player struggles. Has Hill developed enough in Pop's mind to put him in when Parker is struggling in a big game? I don't think Parker's the type of player that would sulk because of that. I think if anything it would make him work harder - it could be a good thing.

[RC's Boss]

speaking of the last few games

I'm sure if Deron Williams struggles, Jerry Sloan will go w/ his backup too. That's why you are on this forum w/ us and not coaching genius.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Don't waste your time explaining. Earlier in the game when Tony was like 6-for-9, Spurs fans were bitching about bad shot selection. :lol It's just how it goes.

When Tony is the best option, he needs to take his. That is the case probably 95-97% of the time. BUT...Once they key on him (like they did tonight, by closing the lane and playing him tight), he needs to realize that and make a play for someone else.

Not every team can do this, but teams with strong interior D and good perimeter D have shown that Tony can be stopped.

As the season wears on, we are finding out that we have guys who can be trusted with the game on the line. When they take away our #1 (TP, without a doubt), our #1 has plenty of guys he can trust. Tonight TIM and MASE stepped up big, and saved our asses.

Anyone who argues that point is wearing Rose-colored glasses.

[RC's Boss]

you always want your best players in the game at the end, but there are going to be rare occasions when a player struggles. Has Hill developed enough in Pop's mind to put him in when Parker is struggling in a big game? I don't think Parker's the type of player that would sulk because of that. I think if anything it would make him work harder - it could be a good thing.

I haven't posted for some time, but I can't help but respond to all this ignorant crap (does that make me ignorant too????). You should all just chill and STFU before Tony demands a trade or tears some cartilage..... Trust me, you WILL see the difference when he's gone.... DUNCE

[BlackSwordsMan]

duncan needed 2 more asst for a triple double

[Kori Ellis]

When Tony is the best option, he needs to take his. That is the case probably 95-97% of the time. BUT...Once they key on him (like they did tonight, by closing the lane and playing him tight), he needs to realize that and make a play for someone else.

Not every team can do this, but teams with strong interior D and good perimeter D have shown that Tony can be stopped.

As the season wears on, we are finding out that we have guys who can be trusted with the game on the line. When they take away our #1 (TP, without a doubt), our #1 has plenty of guys he can trust. Tonight TIM and MASE stepped up big, and saved our asses.

Anyone who argues that point is wearing Rose-colored glasses.

He shot 9-for-14 tonight. So they weren't taking THAT much away from him. They just tightened up late and he went 1-for-2 in the 4th.

[BlackSwordsMan]

:bang

[DAF86]

:lol

Timmy came up big in the closing minutes.

But that's what being a team is all about. Tony and Manu had strong 3 quarters tonight. Neither of them did much of anything in the 4th. But Timmy and Roger came through late.

I don't know why Spurs fans don't just think that's awesome that the team has so many good players that anyone can step up at any time. Not every player is going to be a superstar every second they are on the floor. But it doesn't mean the Spurs aren't blessed with the players they've got. And it certainly doesn't mean that TP or Manu or anyone else is "choking" in the 4th.

Manu's performance in the 4th Q was due to Kobe overplaying him and Manu not doing a lot to get free. With the way Manu was playing I thought that Pop should've called some more plays to get him open like he did after a TO where Ginobili got the and 1

[timvp]

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe there are so many because they actually are seeing something? Both Tony and Manu were iffy late in the game tonight so I'm not sure the point of this thread. But have you ever considered you're wrong? :lol I forgot who I was talking to...No, timvp isn't wrong. It's not a coincidence that the least knowledgeable Spurs fans on the whole are the same ones who blame Parker for everything whether win, lose or draw. I can't think of a poster on here who brings solid takes more often than not who is on the "Blame Parker" bandwagon.

[RC's Boss]

When Tony is the best option, he needs to take his. That is the case probably 95-97% of the time. BUT...Once they key on him (like they did tonight, by closing the lane and playing him tight), he needs to realize that and make a play for someone else.

Not every team can do this, but teams with strong interior D and good perimeter D have shown that Tony can be stopped.

As the season wears on, we are finding out that we have guys who can be trusted with the game on the line. When they take away our #1 (TP, without a doubt), our #1 has plenty of guys he can trust. Tonight TIM and MASE stepped up big, and saved our asses.

Anyone who argues that point is wearing Rose-colored glasses.

When Mason hit that shot X-Mas day, who drew in tho defense???? I mean really????

[stxspurs]

I'm sure if Deron Williams struggles, Jerry Sloan will go w/ his backup too. That's why you are on this forum w/ us and not coaching genius.

hill was playing just as good, and i think his defense is better......it seems like parker thinks he needs to go it all and in the process slips up

[RC's Boss]

No, timvp isn't wrong. It's not a coincidence that the least knowledgeable Spurs fans on the whole are the same ones who blame Parker for everything whether win, lose or draw. I can't think of a poster on here who brings solid takes more often than not who is on the "Blame Parker" bandwagon.

REALLY!!!!! The shot Mason hit was a little lucky too. Same for the shot Tim hit. Outside of Paul, you can make a serious argument for him as 2nd best pg in league, and cats are complaining!!! Hey, where is Biggie????? You should rock that avatar for the movie dude!

[Shastafarian]

No, timvp isn't wrong.shocker

It's not a coincidence that the least knowledgeable Spurs fans on the whole are the same ones who blame Parker for everything whether win, lose or draw.:lol

I can't think of a poster on here who brings solid takes more often than not who is on the "Blame Parker" bandwagon.
because this doesn't reek of bias at all...

[timvp]

shockerNo not really.


:lolQuality take.


because this doesn't reek of bias at all...Name one.

[underdawg]

I haven't posted for some time, but I can't help but respond to all this ignorant crap (does that make me ignorant too????). You should all just chill and STFU before Tony demands a trade or tears some cartilage..... Trust me, you WILL see the difference when he's gone.... DUNCE

easy now hotrod - read my entire post and understand that I'm only talking about the possibility of using Hill if Tony is struggling in a certain part of the game. To suggest that it's not an option is in fact ignorant. I'm not saying that Hill should supplant Parker, but I'm saying it would be a nice weapon to use in certain rare occasions if Hill is ready to handle it.

[Hemotivo]

parker is playing better than 2007

[Shastafarian]

No not really.nope, not at all


Quality take.thanks


Name one.first I'd have to see the names on this famed "Blame Parker Bandwagon". Can you produce them?

[td4mvp21]

What I don't get is that statistics are shown over and over again to refute this bullshit yet it always pops up.

[timvp]

first I'd have to see the names on this famed "Blame Parker Bandwagon". Can you produce them?You should keep better track of your allies.

[Shastafarian]

What I don't get is that statistics are shown over and over again to refute this bullshit yet it always pops up.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Don't always believe statistics. I'm not saying any of these are faulty but relying on statistics to prove a point is very dangerous ground.

[Shastafarian]

You should keep better track of your allies.

Oh can you find me a post of mine where I blame parker for anything? Please. Oh and waiting for the names on that list.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

When Mason hit that shot X-Mas day, who drew in tho defense???? I mean really????

And, as Pedro says, "I would like to see more of that..."

Late in the game when they key on him. Set someone else up. We all know he has the ability...noone is arguing that. And he has had success doing that this season late.

Why harp on this? This becomes a big deal in the playoffs. TIMVP can stack stats to the ceiling, but they won't make a difference in the playoffs. The best teams are always able to take away your #1 option. Unless your Michael Jordan's Bulls. We even had success against Kobe in Bruce's heyday.

[bugmenot]

Here are stats for turnovers in the clutch adjusted to 48 minutes of game play:

Duncan - 4.9 turnovers
Ginobili - 4.5 turnovers
Parker - 1.6 turnovers

Parker is the turnover prone player in the clutch according to retarded Spursfans??????

[RC's Boss]

easy now hotrod - read my entire post and understand that I'm only talking about the possibility of using Hill if Tony is struggling in a certain part of the game. To suggest that it's not an option is in fact ignorant. I'm not saying that Hill should supplant Parker, but I'm saying it would be a nice weapon to use in certain rare occasions if Hill is ready to handle it.

Your 2nd option does not sit on the bench for a rookie.... WTH???? Logic has left the building!!!! Pop: Hey Tony, I'm gonna go w/ Hill on this one. You're struggling. Tony: Pop, I think you need some psychiatric help! Manu: Lay off the wine old man. Tim: I'm telling the Holts to can your ass ASAP!

[Shastafarian]

Your 2nd option does not sit on the bench for a rookie.... WTH???? Logic has left the building!!!! Pop: Hey Tony, I'm gonna go w/ Hill on this one. You're struggling. Tony: Pop, I think you need some psychiatric help! Manu: Lay off the wine old man. Tim: I'm telling the Holts to can your ass ASAP!

The only reason the sit Parker at the end was it looked like he was about one sprint down the floor from puking. He looked very tired.

[RC's Boss]

And, as Pedro says, "I would like to see more of that..."

Late in the game when they key on him. Set someone else up. We all know he has the ability...noone is arguing that. And he has had success doing that this season late.

Why harp on this? This becomes a big deal in the playoffs. TIMVP can stack stats to the ceiling, but they won't make a difference in the playoffs. The best teams are always able to take away your #1 option. Unless your Michael Jordan's Bulls. We even had success against Kobe in Bruce's heyday.

Apply for a job smart guy. Sit in on a practice and give Pop your keys to victory. He looks like he could use a good laugh.

[2centsworth]

you always want your best players in the game at the end, but there are going to be rare occasions when a player struggles. Has Hill developed enough in Pop's mind to put him in when Parker is struggling in a big game? I don't think Parker's the type of player that would sulk because of that. I think if anything it would make him work harder - it could be a good thing.


Tony is our best option at PG. It would take an entire season of Tony being horrible in crunch time situations for Pop to pull him. Don't get me wrong, I love what GHill did tonight and think the sky is the limit for the kid. However, Tony is Godzilla.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Here are stats for turnovers in the clutch adjusted to 48 minutes of game play:

Duncan - 4.9 turnovers
Ginobili - 4.5 turnovers
Parker - 1.6 turnovers

Parker is the turnover prone player in the clutch according to retarded Spursfans??????

Where did you get your stats?

[ducks]

Did Not The Spurs Beat The Fucking Lakers?

[Shastafarian]

Where did you get your stats?

I'd guess www.82games.com

[jcrod]

:hang

It will never end, you freaking people are unbelievable.

[pawe]

Some Spurs fans are insatiable. Just imagine what other fans would give to get a pg like Tony Parker playing for their team.

[Shastafarian]

Oh and waiting for the names on that list.

still waiting timvp

[2centsworth]

Some Spurs fans are insatiable. Just imagine what other fans would give to get a pg like Tony Parker playing for their team.

It's Tony and Chris Paul, PERIOD!!!!

[underdawg]

Your 2nd option does not sit on the bench for a rookie.... WTH???? Logic has left the building!!!! Pop: Hey Tony, I'm gonna go w/ Hill on this one. You're struggling. Tony: Pop, I think you need some psychiatric help! Manu: Lay off the wine old man. Tim: I'm telling the Holts to can your ass ASAP!

Maybe you're right that TD, TP and Manu wouldn't let Pop do that, but I have a hunch that at the end of the day they would support whatever it takes to win - kinda of like Manu coming off the bench. I'm just saying that there are going to be times (extemely rare if they are) where a player can be more effective than another player and it's great that we have the depth to utilize that. Please understand that I'm not saying Hill should get more playing time in crucial moments than Parker.

[timvp]

still waiting timvpI'm not doing your homework for you.

You can probably find some here (http://spursreport.com). Go do some digging and let me know what find.

Thanks.

[Shastafarian]

I'm not doing your homework for you.

You can probably find some here (http://spursreport.com). Go do some digging and let me know what find.

Thanks.

haha thought so. Are you gonna find my posts where I blame parker? That wouldn't be doing my homework for me.

[timvp]

haha thought so. Are you gonna find my posts where I blame parker? That wouldn't be doing my homework for me.No, I told you I gave up. You and other New Age Spurs Fans win. Parker sucks or doesn't suck. Up to you. If you want to claim yourself as the biggest TP fan on the forum, be my guest. You and your ilk won.

Congrats :tu

[Shastafarian]

No, I told you I gave up. You and other New Age Spurs Fans win. Parker sucks or doesn't suck. Up to you. If you want to claim yourself as the biggest TP fan on the forum, be my guest. You and your ilk won.

Congrats :tu

Cool. Nice parting dig.

[baseline bum]

Some Spurs fans are insatiable. Just imagine what other fans would give to get a pg like Tony Parker playing for their team.

I wish all the detractors would imagine how much Spurs fans would have killed to have Parker from 85 to 02.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

No, I told you I gave up. You and other New Age Spurs Fans win. Parker sucks or doesn't suck. Up to you. If you want to claim yourself as the biggest TP fan on the forum, be my guest. You and your ilk won.

Congrats :tu

Are you so naive that everything has to be black and white? Why must Parker suck or not suck?

Why can't we discuss his obvious issues without this whole damn thing blowing up?

A lot of folks were agreeing with the post until the "TP saviour-squad" rolled in the building.

He's a teamate, just like the rest of the guys. He's susceptible to criticism just like anyone else. And by no means does this thread bash TP.

[timvp]

Are you so naive that everything has to be black and white? Why must Parker suck or not suck?

Why can't we discuss his obvious issues without this whole damn thing blowing up?

A lot of folks were agreeing with the post until the "TP saviour-squad" rolled in the building.

He's a teamate, just like the rest of the guys. He's susceptible to criticism just like anyone else. And by no means does this thread bash TP.Victory is yours.

[South Side Spurs Fan]

I wish all the detractors would imagine how much Spurs fans would have killed to have Parker from 85 to 02.

Some of us thought we had the next MJ in Antonio Daniels.

[Spurs#1]

Parker sucked in the 4th quarter tonight, anyone want to argue with that?

[South Side Spurs Fan]

Victory is yours.

Not Victory.

But I will always be entitled to my opinion. As are the other members of the board.

You may bang the "If we only had TP in '83" drum all you want, and all the "new age spurs fans" BS you care to, but there are those of us who adored the little general, and who cried when these guys lost to the blazers in the WCF, then again to the rockets...and still think that Parker needs to trust his teamates more when the other team keys on him and the game is on the line.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Parker sucked in the 4th quarter tonight, anyone want to argue with that?

i see ur trying to call the haters out tonight

who let da haters out? hoo hoo hoo

[Spurs#1]

i see ur trying to call the haters out tonight

who let da haters out? hoo hoo hoo

I'm an equal opportunity hater. YOu suck, I hate.

[Shastafarian]

Not Victory.

But I will always be entitled to my opinion. As are the other members of the board.

You may bang the "If we only had TP in '83" drum all you want, and all the "new age spurs fans" BS you care to, but there are those of us who adored the little general, and who cried when these guys lost to the blazers in the WCF, then again to the rockets...and still think that Parker needs to trust his teamates more when the other team keys on him and the game is on the line.

+1

[kace]

i said i won't answer this bullshit anymore and i won't. i'm tired of it. so i won't try to argue about TP.


but, without giving any advice to the owners, i'm wondering when this insane TP's bashing will be considered a harmful trolling needing to be stopped for the safe of this great forum.

i mean we'je just beaten the fuckin' Lakers, in a great game, with our three stars playing overally well and an incredible end, with Mason confirming he's good and clutch. and still this bullshit.............

[EricB]

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe there are so many because they actually are seeing something? Both Tony and Manu were iffy late in the game tonight so I'm not sure the point of this thread. But have you ever considered you're wrong? :lol I forgot who I was talking to...


New Spurs fans suck.

[EricB]

Not Victory.

But I will always be entitled to my opinion. As are the other members of the board.

You may bang the "If we only had TP in '83" drum all you want, and all the "new age spurs fans" BS you care to, but there are those of us who adored the little general, and who cried when these guys lost to the blazers in the WCF, then again to the rockets...and still think that Parker needs to trust his teamates more when the other team keys on him and the game is on the line.


Sigh......

[SpursPreacher]

Never can please everybody,parkers helped lead up to the promise land and people still find reasons to hate him.

[Shastafarian]

New Spurs fans suck.

How long have you been a Spurs fan? I love how people presume to know about someone they have never met. I've been a Spurs fan since '91 when I was 5.

[Shastafarian]

Sigh......

douche

[EricB]

How long have you been a Spurs fan? I love how people presume to know about someone they have never met. I've been a Spurs fan since '91 when I was 5.


Been going to games since about 1987 when I was 7.

I've been through Maurice Cheeks, Rod Strickland, Greg Sutton, Morlon Wiley, Matt Othick and other STIFF point guards, and to see people like you that wouldn't know a top 5 point guard if it slapped them in the face constantly rip Parker all the time, it makes me sick.

[mathbzh]

I wonder why a brilliant coach like Pop continues to design play for Parker late in the 4th (like against the Suns) if Parker sucks that much in the crunch time :rolleyes

[Shastafarian]

Been going to games since about 1987 when I was 7.

I've been through Maurice Cheeks, Rod Strickland, Greg Sutton, Morlon Wiley, Matt Othick and other STIFF point guards, and to see people like you that wouldn't know a top 5 point guard if it slapped them in the face constantly rip Parker all the time, it makes me sick.

So put me on ignore and quit bitching. I love how you think you're a better fan than me or anyone else. I personally hate fans who can't criticize their own team when it's valid. Find me "constantly rip" Parker. Seriously find the posts.

[EricB]

So put me on ignore and quit bitching. I love how you think you're a better fan than me or anyone else. I personally hate fans who can't criticize their own team when it's valid. Find me "constantly rip" Parker. Seriously find the posts.

Uh, wheres the thread that got locked because you and others continually ripped Parker.

Thats the one.

I never said I was better, I said that people like you that don't appreciate a great point guard like Parker are sickening.

So you've been around since 91.

So tell me, since Parker is such a horrible ball hog, wouldn't it be great to call up Negele Knight and let him be a "passer"

[EricB]

I wonder why a brilliant coach like Pop continues to design play for Parker late in the 4th (like against the Suns) if Parker sucks that much in the crunch time :rolleyes


Cause he clearly is an idiot. I mean, Parker is unclutch and horrible down the stretch, never mind the stats that have him almost double Duncan in clutch stats.

[Shastafarian]

Uh, wheres the thread that got locked because you and others continually ripped Parker.

Thats the one.read the thread again please


I never said I was better yes you did

I said that people like you that don't appreciate a great point guard like Parker are sickening. again you presume to know what I think based on a couple criticisms I voiced.


So you've been around since 91.You have me by 4 years ooooo ahhhh


So tell me, since Parker is such a horrible ball hog, wouldn't it be great to call up Negele Knight and let him be a "passer"
Never said he was a horrible ball hog. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though. Shows you have no argument.

[EricB]

My arguement is that you guys bag on him for no reason, I'm backed up and echoed by many others.

Whats that tell you? Were ALLLL Horrible homers?

Get over yourself.

[Shastafarian]

My arguement is that you guys bag on him for no reason, I'm backed up and echoed by many others.Who is you guys? Do you have this list of "Blame Parker Bandwagoner" I've been hearing about?


Whats that tell you? Were ALLLL Horrible homers?So that means anyone who criticizes him in any way is...a Lakers fan?


Get over yourself.
you first.

[EricB]

Who is you guys? Do you have this list of "Blame Parker Bandwagoner" I've been hearing about?

So that means anyone who criticizes him in any way is...a Lakers fan?


you first.


You and others who after the Orlando game took it upon yourself to call out Tony Parker for practically losing that game, and continually being asshurt this game with the complaints about his supposed "bad shot selection"

Own up to it already.

[Shastafarian]

You and others who after the Orlando game took it upon yourself to call out Tony Parker for practically losing that gameNope never happened. In fact, I said I didn't blame him in that very thread.

and continually being asshurt this game with the complaints about his supposed "bad shot selection"what? asshurt?


Own up to it already.
Why should I own up to something that I didn't do? Because you tell me to?

[EricB]

Nope never happened. In fact, I said I didn't blame him in that very thread.
what? asshurt?


Why should I own up to something that I didn't do? Because you tell me to?

You did not critique Tony Parker for bad shot selection?

Uh, then who was arguing with TIMVP about his shot selection then WITH the other people?

a troll with the same name?

[Shastafarian]

You and others who after the Orlando game took it upon yourself to call out Tony Parker for practically losing that game


You did not critique Tony Parker for bad shot selection?

Uh, then who was arguing with TIMVP about his shot selection then WITH the other people?

a troll with the same name?

Critiquing shot selection doesn't equal blaming someone for a loss last time I checked. Who are these "other" people and what the hell do they have to do with anything?

[EricB]

Critiquing shot selection doesn't equal blaming someone for a loss last time I checked. Who are these "other" people and what the hell do they have to do with anything?


You totally said that one of the reasons they lost was the questionable shot selection :lmao

Good lord.

[SpursPreacher]

Didnt parker hit a game winner this year,was that real or imagined.

[Shastafarian]

You totally said that one of the reasons they lost was the questionable shot selection :lmao

Good lord.

Really? Did I? Can you post a direct link to that please?

[EricB]

Really? Did I? Can you post a direct link to that please?


Its a deleted thread I've told you that already.

[EricB]

Didnt parker hit a game winner this year,was that real or imagined.


Of course not, his shot selection is questionable, and hes not clutch at all.

[Shastafarian]

Its a deleted thread I've told you that already.

You mean the closed thread? It wasn't deleted last time I checked.

This thread?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114171

[SpursPreacher]

Weither alot of parker haters like it or not.He is going to be key for the spurs winning another title. He has been key before and come though and he will come though again this year and all the haters will go back into the cave and mutter "I should have had more faith in him"

[EricB]

But he's not perfect and he does take stupid shots (as do all of the Spurs). The difference with him is that he's supposed to run the team, not dribble around for a while, not pass to anyone, and then take a jump shot (actually happened last night).

Yeah you just practically have his back there.

[EricB]

Weither alot of parker haters like it or not.He is going to be key for the spurs winning another title. He has been key before and come though and he will come though again this year and all the haters will go back into the cave and mutter "I should have had more faith in him"

They never say that.

They just wait till the next time he screws up and point at it and jump up and down like 12 year olds on cotton candy saying "I TOLD YOU SO!!!"

[ForeignFan]

Shastafarian, the point is that when I read your posts, I cannot help but feel you are somewhat biased with respect to TP. Not as bad as Lefty and a few others :bang , but still, I do not remember seeing you post the type of comments you make about TP for other players (though I do not think you've opened any of the "TP bash" threads).

[hotsauce0987]

fo sho

[Brazil]

So put me on ignore and quit bitching. I love how you think you're a better fan than me or anyone else. I personally hate fans who can't criticize their own team when it's valid. Find me "constantly rip" Parker. Seriously find the posts.

You don't criticize your own team, you spend your time bashing TP. Man you are obsessed or what ? He refused to sign you an autograph ? He stole your wife ? GTFOH and go root for Utah/Deron or NO/CP3

[Illusionarist]

In my mind just because of his height and only, Parker should not get the ball in the last minutes. It has got to be Manu.

[bobbybob0]

Critiquing shot selection doesn't equal blaming someone for a loss last time I checked. Who are these "other" people and what the hell do they have to do with anything?

You're a waste of time.

You don't bring anything to the debate except your initial statement (Parker sucks) and then you keep arguing for pages about what you did or did not intent in you're previous posts.

That's not why I'm coming to ST for. :bang

[Illusionarist]

In my mind just because of his height and only, Parker should not get the ball in the last minutes. It has got to be Manu.

[anakha]

Well, bashing Parker for his height makes as much sense as any... :lol

[ThaiFanofSpurs]

This is just my 2nd post here! I am a big fan of all our big 3: Tim, Tony, and Manu. And I think for the Spurs to win it all this year, we need all three of them to play strong. Some comments about Tony, I would say (I am not a Tony hater, instead, I am a Tony's supporter) he does seem to get tired in the game fast. Maybe because of his strength and energy are not there for the whole 48 minuts in the game. In the game vs. Lakers, he seemed to be a little shaky (I don't know it was because of his mentality or his energy or the hard defense from Ariza) Hopefully, Pop and the Spurs coaching staffs can see that and fix it. Also hopefully, Tony will read this forum and realize that we are not gonna give up on him but want him to work harder to get through all these problem that we all are worried about.

I also agree that we did a good pick up in signing Mason and Hill. They will help us greatly come playoff time. And we still need another athletic Big to help Tim down low.

Anyway, I might not be a Spurs' fan that long. It has been about 6 or 7 years since i came to the US in 2002.

Go Spurs Go!

[Shastafarian]

Shastafarian, the point is that when I read your posts, I cannot help but feel you are somewhat biased with respect to TP. Not as bad as Lefty and a few others :bang , but still, I do not remember seeing you post the type of comments you make about TP for other players (though I do not think you've opened any of the "TP bash" threads).This all started with me saying I didn't like the trend of Tony taking the most shots on the team (See signature for some juicy stats):lol I have said Tim and Manu are careless and take stupid shots but fair enough and thanks for an honest opinion. But....


You don't criticize your own team, you spend your time bashing TP.Nope

Man you are obsessed or what ?Obsessed with what? Can you find me anywhere in this thread where I criticize Parker?

He refused to sign you an autograph ?I'm not a child like you seem to be thanks.

He stole your wife ?Yep I was going out with Eva for a while

GTFOH and go root for Utah/Deron or NO/CP3:lol If you can find some posts where I "bash" Parker then by all means. But you can't because I don't bash him.


You're a waste of time.Yet you decided to waste your time with me...


You don't bring anything to the debate except your initial statement (Parker sucks) Interesting considering I have never said this

and then you keep arguing for pages about what you did or did not intent in you're previous posts.because other people keep arguing with me. It's what happens on message boards. Welcome to the internet.


That's not why I'm coming to ST for. :bangThanks for sharing?

Thanks guys, I thought you were there.

[bobbybob0]

It's what happens on message boards. Welcome to the internet.

That's right, message boards are full of assholes like you...

[Shastafarian]

That's right, message boards are full of assholes like you...

Coming from a guy who called me a "waste of time" and also lied about what I had said. What does that make you?

[bobbybob0]

Coming from a guy who called me a "waste of time" and also lied about what I had said. What does that make you?

What's your point, really?

Tony Parker takes the most shots on the team, so what? (that's in your sig, I'm not making anything up here, am I?)

Please, do some research then show us how it affects other spurs when TP is taking the most shots and when he's not then, maybe, we can have an interesting discussion.

82games.com and basketballreference.com are just waiting for you...

[WalterBenitez]

I'd prefer the ball going to TD, Manu, Mason, later Tony... he's looping around in those plays, anyhow his numbers support him.

[Shastafarian]

What's your point, really?

Tony Parkers takes the most shots on the team, so what?

Please, do some researchs then show us how it affects other spurs when TP is taking the most shots and when he's not.

82games.com and basketballreference.com are just waiting for you...

Well if you look at my signature you can see this year is off trend. For your benefit:

Tony Parker 2004-2005 (FGA-FGM) - 6.7-14.0
Tim Duncan 2004-2005 (FGA-FGM) - 7.8-15.8

Tony Parker 2005-2006 (FGA-FGM) - 7.8-14.2
Tim Duncan 2005-2006 (FGA-FGM) - 7.2-14.8

[mudyez]

Parker with the ball late in the game = turnover/airball/brick.:(



tony against suns: kickout assist to mason for gamewinner

tony against philly: tony with the gamewinner

...uh...

ok, he also does mistakes, but its not like only bad things happen to us, when he gets the ball late in a game!

[bobbybob0]

Well if you look at my signature you can see this year is off trend. For your benefit:

Tony Parker 2004-2005 (FGA-FGM) - 6.7-14.0
Tim Duncan 2004-2005 (FGA-FGM) - 7.8-15.8

Tony Parker 2005-2006 (FGA-FGM) - 7.8-14.2
Tim Duncan 2005-2006 (FGA-FGM) - 7.2-14.8

So what? Is it a bad thing? Please back up your claim (you know, stats, analysis, that kind of stuff, not just a statement without any argument)

Did you notice that Tony Parker is 6 years younger than Duncan?
He's taking a bigger role in the offense now than when he was 23 yo (at least during the RS), once again is it a bad thing?

You're posting for the sake of posting...

[Shastafarian]

So what? Is it a bad thing? Please back up your claim (you know, stats, analysis, that kind of stuff, not just a statement without any argument)

Did you noticed that Tony Parker is 6 years younger than Duncan?
He's taking a bigger role in the offense now than when he was 23 yo (at least during the RS), once again is it a bad thing?

You're posting for the sake of posting...

...What do you want from me? I don't like the trend of Parker taking so many shots because in my eyes some of those shots are sometimes unnecessary and of poor choice. That's not exactly "I hate Tony Parker and wish he would get traded" is it? I just think he hesitates to pass down low when he thinks he can make a circus shot over 2 people or a big man. Granted in some games his teammates have let him down when he passes out to them but he is averaging 2 more shots a game than last year. That's a fairly big increase when you have to distribute shots amongst Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Roger Mason, etc.

[mathbzh]

Parker FGA:
In games won: 17.9 (0.52 FGA/min)
In games lost: 15.3 (0.47 FGA/min)

[bobbybob0]

...What do you want from me? I don't like the trend of Parker taking so many shots because in my eyes some of those shots are sometimes unnecessary and of poor choice. That's not exactly "I hate Tony Parker and wish he would get traded" is it? I just think he hesitates to pass down low when he thinks he can make a circus shot over 2 people or a big man. Granted in some games his teammates have let him down when he passes out to them but he is averaging 2 more shots a game than last year. That's a fairly big increase when you have to distribute shots amongst Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Roger Mason, etc.

And I thought the shot selection issue was settled after Timvp's and others' numbers showed you were wrong.

:wakeup

[Shastafarian]

Parker FGA:
In games won: 17.9 (0.52 FGA/min)
In games lost: 15.3 (0.47 FGA/min)

Where did you get those numbers?

[Shastafarian]

And I thought the shot selection issue was settled after Timvp's and others' numbers showed you were wrong.

:wakeup

How can you show someone is wrong when the issue is fairly subjective in nature? He has his opinion and I have mine.

[mathbzh]

NBA.com, Parker Season splits.

I don't consider it to prove nothing about how the Spurs should play.
But I am still waiting for facts that could convince me TP should shoot less.

[I Love Me Some Me]

It's funny...I think people are so pre-determined that anyone who criticizes Tony Parker for any reason are in this hypothetical "Tony Parker Hater's Club".

I think Shatsafarian's questions about Parker's shot selection are valid. I also think Tony is a below average defender, and gets lazy on that side of the floor.

And just because a shot goes in, doesn't mean the decision to take that shot was the right one, nor does it make it a "good" shot.

[Shastafarian]

NBA.com, Parker Season splits.

Fair enough and maybe the trend isn't a bad thing.

[mathbzh]

I think Shatsafarian's questions about Parker's shot selection are valid.

I think his questions are valid. But he should bring some facts to backup what he is saying.





And just because a shot goes in, doesn't mean the decision to take that shot was the right one, nor does it make it a "good" shot.


About that I consider his shot selection his good.
This is the reason why:
Parker takes some tough shots he is able to make.
These shots are a reason why he commands respect from the defense.
If he did not take take these shots, the TP/Mason play against the Suns would not have been possible.
Do you really think that without TD/TP/Gino there to create space for him, Mason would shoot that well?

[Brazil]

And just because a shot goes in, doesn't mean the decision to take that shot was the right one, nor does it make it a "good" shot.

:lmao nice one, therefore a shot goes in but it's not a good shot:lmao

[Brazil]

Fair enough and maybe the trend isn't a bad thing.
:toast

[I Love Me Some Me]

I think his questions are valid. But he should bring some facts to backup what he is saying.

What facts? It's not like there is a goodshot/badshot statistic somewhere that can be introduced to support this. I've seen Tony Parker make bad decisions with the basketball (same with TD and Manu also). I've seen him get burned by the opposing team's PG, and I've seen him play poorly in the final 5 minutes of a game against a quality opponent two times in a row.

It's nice to drop 55 on the Timberwolves, it's nice to have a prayer answered against the Sixers, and it's nice to be Finals MVP against a clearly inferior opponent, but what we'd really like to see is for Tony to have those moments in clutch situations against quality teams. Doesn't happen that much.



About that I consider his shot selection his good.
This is the reason why:
Parker takes some tough shots he is able to make.
These shots are a reason why he commands respect from the defense.
If he did not take take these shots, the TP/Mason play against the Suns would not have been possible.
Do you really think that without TD/TP/Gino there to create space for him, Mason would shoot that well?

Of course Mason gets better shots playing with those guys...but that's not what this is about.

It's about whether or not Parker should be the go to guy in key situations against quality opponents.

[Shastafarian]

I think his questions are valid. But he should bring some facts to backup what he is saying.


5:29 left in the first last night. Tony took a long range jump shot that was unnecessary.

4:50 left in the first. Fast break - tony went against two guys (Kobe and Fisher) who were draped all over him and ended up getting a charging call.

2-4 Seconds left in the first half - Another fast break. Maybe it's not fair to question his decision with the time left but he was doubled and Manu was open.

Notice how these are kind of subjective? Oh I Love Me Some Me explained it well. Thanks.

[I Love Me Some Me]

:lmao nice one, therefore a shot goes in but it's not a good shot:lmao

Is that really hard to understand?

Just because a shot goes in, doesn't mean it was the best shot a team could have taken on that posession.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Tony didn't play well late in the game last night. I know he was credited with one turnover in the 4th, but he had a bad pass to Duncan that the turnover wasn't tagged to him, and another bad pass to Duncan when TD was lucky enough to call a timeout. He put up an ill-advised three at one point, and was basically locked down by the LA defense late. Those are the facts of the game.

When I watch the Spurs play the Lakers I usually walk away thinking that Phil Jackson doesn't get enough credit for his defensive play calling. Tony was locked down, LA was making it tough to get a good entry pass into Duncan, and Manu's only opportunity in the 4th came on a multi-screened play drawn up for right after a timeout.

Tony didn't do much in the 4th, but I credit LA's defense for that as much as anything else. They historically have done a pretty good job defending Parker...especially in big games it seems.

But Tony's still one of the best PG's around.

[Shastafarian]

He put up an ill-advised three at one point,No he had to shoot that because the shot clock was near 0.

[Spurminator]

Remember when Tony was guarding Bynum down low and he stole Gasol's pass to him in the post? That was a great play.

Oh sorry, wrong thread.

[jag]

One thing Shastafarian refuses to understand is that Parker is held to a ridiculously high standard; it's not reasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

Parker carried the team in the first, Manu in the second, and it was a collective effort in the 3rd. Niether Manu nor Tony played that well in the 4th...but that's how this team works. When the defense concentrates on particular players, other players are willing and capable of stepping up.

No matter what the situation, a certain group of posters must find fault with him. If he blows up for 30+ pts... then he didn't pass enough. If he distributes the ball and has a low scoring game...then he isn't scoring enough. All this group of posters manage to due is fabricate "trends" that obviously don't exist. To call the Spurs most efficient 4th quarter player(pts, fg% and assists) an underachiever is absurd. The guy has two off nights and all the sudden "it's a trend" and he's a detriment to the team in the 4th quarter.

There's a reason opposing fans find these type of arguments ridiculous...it's because they've seen what Tony has consitently done in crunch-time over the course of his career.

[Shastafarian]

One thing Shastafarian refuses to understand is that Parker is held to a ridiculously high standard; it's not reasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

Parker carried the team in the first, Manu in the second, and it was a collective effort in the 3rd. Niether Manu nor Tony played that well in the 4th...but that's how this team works. When the defense concentrates on particular players, other players are willing and capable of stepping up.

No matter what the situation, a certain group of posters must find fault with him. If he blows up for 30+ pts... then he didn't pass enough. If he distributes the ball and has a low scoring game...then he isn't scoring enough. All this group of posters manage to due is fabricate "trends" that obviously don't exist. To call the Spurs most efficient 4th quarter player(pts, fg% and assists) an underachiever is absurd. The guy has two off nights and all the sudden "it's a trend" and he's a detriment to the team in the 4th quarter.

There's a reason opposing fans find these type of arguments ridiculous...it's because they've seen what Tony has consitently done in crunch-time over the course of his career.
:lol

How is what I showed fabricated?

[jag]

:lol

How is what I showed fabricated?

If you are having trouble grasping the basic concepts alluded to in my previous post then please just disregard it...because at his point you're obviously beyond reproach.

[Shastafarian]

If you are having trouble grasping the basic concepts alluded to in my previous post then please just disregard it...because at his point you're obviously beyond reproach.

Oh so are you gonna claim that statement wasn't aimed at me? You just picked the word "trends" out of nowhere. Why don't you answer my question? I'm sorry I'm beyond disappointing to you.

[m33p0]

all i know is good things happen when duncan has the ball.

[bobbybob0]

Oh so are you gonna claim that statement wasn't aimed at me? You just picked the word "trends" out of nowhere. Why don't you answer my question? I'm sorry I'm beyond disappointing to you.

Attention whore.

:sleep

[jag]

Oh so are you gonna claim that statement wasn't aimed at me? You just picked the word "trends" out of nowhere. Why don't you answer my question? I'm sorry I'm beyond disappointing to you.

The word "trends" is in the thread title.

And you're definitely not beyond using a dictionary. You should try it.

[magui86770]

I thought Parker play great. His scoring came within the flow of the offense. There was not one shot I thought was ill advise or forced.

I was more upset with Duncan not showing up in the first half with the missed shots. He came through at the end.

[Shastafarian]

The word "trends" is in the thread title.

And you're definitely not beyond using a dictionary. You should try it.

What word should I be looking up? And you specifically called me out in your post. Sorry I assumed you were referencing my recent posts in the thread.

[Spurs Brazil]

:lol

I don't know why Spurs fans don't just think that's awesome that the team has so many good players that anyone can step up at any time. Not every player is going to be a superstar every second they are on the floor. But it doesn't mean the Spurs aren't blessed with the players they've got. And it certainly doesn't mean that TP or Manu or anyone else is "choking" in the 4th.

:tu