View Full Version : If Hill were starting on a weaker team ...
dougp
01-16-2009, 10:25 AM
He'd be RotY. Easily, hands down.
Blake
01-16-2009, 10:40 AM
and Bonner would be an all star
Mason would finish 2nd in MVP votes only behing LeBron.
easily, hands down
mrspurs
01-16-2009, 10:52 AM
He wouldnt do so well. If he was that good he would have been picked earlier in the draft.
hater
01-16-2009, 10:53 AM
He'd be RotY. Easily, hands down.
you should watch the Chicago Bulls more often
Fabbs
01-16-2009, 10:57 AM
He'd be RotY. Easily, hands down.
He'd be in the running, no doubt.
I wish Popped would have left him in vs the Lakers, esp after the double digit lead. Tony was tired and Hill was playing great.
mrspurs, NBA draft history is loaded with players drafted later in the 1st who ended up doing much better then the top 10ers.
dougp
01-16-2009, 10:58 AM
He wouldnt do so well. If he was that good he would have been picked earlier in the draft.
You're right, kinda like how Kobe went #1, right? I mean, what about that guy Tony Parker - the Finals 2007 MVP? Shit man, he's a #1 too!
Go look at his PER, and also look at his stats for the 18 minutes he plays. His numbers would be just as good as the top 3 if he played their minutes.
He wouldnt do so well. If he was that good he would have been picked earlier in the draft.
i hope you're joking
EricB
01-16-2009, 11:21 AM
He wouldnt do so well. If he was that good he would have been picked earlier in the draft.
Yeah that Tony Parker guy that totally holds true with him as....
Oops.....
EricB
01-16-2009, 11:22 AM
I disagree he would be ROTY, the defenses would've started keying in on him and I think he would've struggled with that long enough to take him out of the running.
Tell that to OJ Mayo and Derek Rose. Hill would be doing good but he's not even a true point guard ... he's a scorer like Parker. But Mayo is a much better scorer and Rose is a much better PG. So no, I don't think so.
i can't see any spur player who actually doesn't benefit from being a spur.
all our role player would almost remain anonymous in NBA without the spurs (oberto, bonner....)
Bruce wouldn't be recognised as the first class defender he is.
Tony and Manu would be playing great elsewhere but not known as proven winner as they are and deserve to be.
Mason would have been stayed unknown with an invisible career.
Fin wouldn't have taste the win.
Even Tim, who still would be one of the greatest player of his time and maybe still a HOFer wouldn't maybe be considered as one of the best of all time.
and Hill ? come on, no one would talk about him right now.
not saying that each player doing well doesn't have his share of credit in what happen to him. but the Spurs have changed the career in a good way of so many players than i see it as a gift, a luck and a privilege when a player has the chance to play for them.
NFGIII
01-16-2009, 12:00 PM
ROY? I don't think so but his name would be in the conversation. He would obviously have more minutes to develop but I still look to Mayo and Rose as being the prime candidates now for that award.
I just hope that as the season goes on Pop will give him more minutes and let him play through some tough stretches so he can mature more. At times it seems that TP gets winded and his legs give out. Timvp and others have pointed this out - that historically this seems to be his pattern until he gets that second wind in the latter part of the season.
m33p0
01-16-2009, 12:47 PM
easily no.
mexicanjunior
01-16-2009, 12:49 PM
Hill would be a candidate for the all rookie team but I don't think he would put up better numbers than Mayo, Westbrook or Rose...
CubanMustGo
01-16-2009, 12:54 PM
Hill would be a candidate for the all rookie team but I don't think he would put up better numbers than Mayo, Westbrook or Rose...
+1
jlpittsley
01-16-2009, 01:04 PM
I think Mr. Hill will be a rather good player. He is a strong athlete that seems to have a good head on his shoulders. But he has many of the limitations seen with rookies.
1. The NBA 3-point line is too long for him. Thee corner 3 is within his range but the wing is a tough shot. I don't think he would argue against this. But, he was a strong outside shooter in college. I've seen several games where he would snap a quick three from the top of the key. Players that can do that in college, and have the foot speed to get open, learn to do it in the NBA. He's 2 years away from this.
2. Limited left-handed finisher. Certain teams have already identified that he does not like to drive to the left. Also, he will start by driving left and then cross-over to the right before he takes the shot. He also seems to favor this swooping layup that tends to hit too high off the board. I'm not sure how much success he can get from that shot. In an attempt to avoid the shotblocker he tries to aim high and reach around the defender. Instead, He might want to lead with the body and then extend during the very- last phase of his layup. Kobe has that mastered.
Overall, he has all the tools needed to be good. Currently, Mayo is a much better shooter and Rose a much better finisher. But hey, let's have this conversation in 4 years!
EricB
01-16-2009, 01:08 PM
The knock on him being a bad finisher is a fair one and one I don't dispute. I think he can easily fix and remedy that as Tony Parker did. When Parker came into the league he was notorious for being able to blow by the defender but miss contested layups.
Right now I think his season is going as perfect as you could hope, and I think he should easily be on the rookie team at the all star game, and possibly second team all rookie, which is nothing at all to sneeze at.
The knock on him being a bad finisher is a fair one and one I don't dispute. I think he can easily fix and remedy that as Tony Parker did. When Parker came into the league he was notorious for being able to blow by the defender but miss contested layups.
Eh, I'd wholeheartedly disagree with the knock. I think he's one of our best finishers when he's being aggressive and actually getting to the paint. The problem is, he starts deferring too much, especially to Manu. When he's on the court he needs to be looking for his own shot any time the ball is in his hands ...
Blake
01-16-2009, 01:24 PM
You're right, kinda like how Kobe went #1, right? I mean, what about that guy Tony Parker - the Finals 2007 MVP? Shit man, he's a #1 too!
oh yeah, I had forgotten that both Tony and Kobe won the rookie of the year award.
good point.
BlackBellamy
01-16-2009, 04:23 PM
He wouldnt do so well. If he was that good he would have been picked earlier in the draft.
:lol And if Manu was that good he would have been picked earlier than 56th. And If this Tony Parker character was any good he wouldn't be drafted at 28 in '01. So... the logic behind your statement (and hopefully it was meant to be a joke) is flawed and laughable to say the least.
Raoul Duke
01-16-2009, 04:31 PM
You're right, kinda like how Kobe went #1, right? I mean, what about that guy Tony Parker - the Finals 2007 MVP? Shit man, he's a #1 too!
Go look at his PER, and also look at his stats for the 18 minutes he plays. His numbers would be just as good as the top 3 if he played their minutes.
how about gilbert arenas? where was he drafted?
how about gilbert arenas? where was he drafted?
He was the #0 pick
angelbelow
01-16-2009, 04:34 PM
hill still has the benefit of top notch coaching and class act players that surround him. he was also playing with tim duncan.
i fully believe in geogre hills talent but i dont think he would easily win the ROY at all. he simply wouldnt have the atmosphere.
arodz
01-16-2009, 04:39 PM
He was starting for a weaker team: The Spurs of the first weeks of the season.
cool hand
01-16-2009, 04:40 PM
I wish Duncan would get hurt so he would be forced to play MAHIMINDIE+UAJSAZKSADSUIDSODKSDIZDUIIIIIII
I wish Duncan would get hurt
No... no you didn't.
timvp
01-16-2009, 04:46 PM
Rose and Mayo are a couple steps up in talent. Hill wouldn't win ROY in any scenario.
That said, I have no complaints and he's surpassed all my hopes for him during his rookie season.
He'd be RotY. Easily, hands down.
Ye rite. :lmao
lefty
01-16-2009, 06:26 PM
you should watch the Chicago Bulls more often
I remember Hill OWNING that Bulls rookie not a long time ago
Josepatches_
01-17-2009, 12:10 AM
i can't see any spur player who actually doesn't benefit from being a spur.
all our role player would almost remain anonymous in NBA without the spurs (oberto, bonner....)
Bruce wouldn't be recognised as the first class defender he is.
Tony and Manu would be playing great elsewhere but not known as proven winner as they are and deserve to be.
Mason would have been stayed unknown with an invisible career.
Fin wouldn't have taste the win..
Not true.I would say that I can't see any spur player who actually doesn't benefit from playing with TD.
TD would be the same player out SA but we never had won a tittle.TP never had won an MVP finals and Pop never had been one of the best coaches of the NBA history.It's simple.
Pop says it.The only secret of the team is TD
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