Manu Ginobili will be remembered as a Lakers Killer

[Man In Black]

http://www.hotnonporn.com/2009/01/daily-sports-select-manu-ginobili-will.html

When his playing career is over, Manu Ginobili will be remembered for two things : being a Team USA killer in his international career and being a Los Angeles Lakers killer in his NBA career.

Basketball fans have been very fortunate to have been treated to a Lakers-Spurs rivalry for a decade. The San Antonio Spurs, led by the twin towers of Tim Duncan and David Robinson, swept the Lakers in the second round in the 1999 playoffs on their way to their first title. But for the next three years, with the Shaq-Kobe tandem peaking under the tutelage of Phil Jackson, the Lakers had the Spurs' number, and victimized them on their way to a three peat.

Enter Manu Ginobili in 2002. Manu was an afterthought in the 1999 NBA Draft, being picked second to last, but by the time he made his NBA debut, basketball observers were drooling at what he had become - and what he could become.

Needless to say, in the next five years, Manu became one of the greatest winners in the history of the game, helping the Spurs win three championships and Argentina win Olympic gold in Athens, schooling the Dream Team to boot.

Ironically, Manu's NBA debut came against the Lakers. He played 20 minutes and his stats were modest, yet telling. Although he scored just seven points on 3-9 shooting, he was looking like a seasoned veteran in helping the Spurs win. What he didn't score in points, he made up on defense (four steals, two defensive rebounds, a block) and the floor (three assists).

The Lakers and Spurs met again in the second round of the playoffs that season, and Manu's efforts helped the Spurs not only reclaim their throne, but get sweet revenge on the team that had tormented them. Manu had stepped up his game, averaging 11.7 points and 2.17 steals in the six-game series. He also made some memorable highlight-worthy plays in the series, including a baseline reverse dunk over Mark Madsen.

After 2003, the Lakers and Spurs faced off again in the playoffs twice (2004 and 2008), with the Lakers winning both times. The sophomore Manu played solidly against the Lakers team with four future Hall of Famers in 2004, but Derek Fisher's miraculous turnaround jumpshot with 0.4 seconds left in Game 5 was a killer.

In 2008, Manu was seriously hurt and frankly, stunk it up, but his 30-point outburst in Game 3 under the worst of circumstances didn't hurt his reputation as a Lakers killer. After all, when you play well, make some spectacular plays and victimize a team on your way to a title, and follow up with a few more titles, people tend to remember that first impression.

I don't want to sound as if I'm putting my life on the line for a regular season matchup between the Spurs and Lakers but what just happened Wednesday night in San Antonio was too good to ignore. The game went right down to the wire, with heart-wrenching lead swings and a three-point play by Roger Mason, Jr. deciding the game by one (112-111 Spurs). And not surprisingly, Manu Ginobili killed the Lakers, scoring 27 points and making timely baskets that ultimately made the difference in the game.

Hey, even though I'm a San Antonio Spurs fan, I understand they can be seriously boring. However, try telling me that the Lakers-Spurs rivalry has been boring.

There have been great games, great players and great personalities (mostly on the Lakers side) between the Purple and Gold and Black and Silver. There's an understated level of bad blood between the two clubs, one that is not talked about a lot - but undoubtedly simmering underneath the surface. And it wouldn't have been the same if Manu Ginobili's prime didn't coincide with the ongoing war.
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[DrHouse]

Yup Manu was just killing the Lakers enroute to his team's 1-4 record against them this decade.

[Man In Black]

Hey Doc...

When was the last time your team won a Championship?

I hear Crickets.

[DrHouse]

Are you seriously trying to bring up the rings argument to a Laker fan?

14 > 4 you dumb crack whore.

[Allanon]

Manu is as much a Laker Killer as Sasha is the Manu Stopper.

Both will have to do it again in the Playoffs to earn their titles.

[Man In Black]

Are you seriously trying to bring up the rings argument to a Laker fan?

14 > 4 you dumb crack whore.

It's funny how you claim FIVE rings won in MINNESOTA ASS-WIPE!!!
Tell me, is comprehension your weakest skill?

WHEN AGAIN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WON A TITLE?

Again...I hear crickets. They tell me you last won a title SEVEN SEASONS AGO.
:lmao

[Shastafarian]

Are you seriously trying to bring up the rings argument to a Laker fan?

14 > 4 you dumb crack whore.

How many of those have you been alive for?

[LakeShow]

In LA, this is how he will be remembered. Manu's a pussy!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/374757431_9e7e611dbd.jpg

[crc21209]

Spurs>Lakers in the past 10 years.

The Spurs have won 4 Championships, the Lakers 3. The Spurs have made it past the 1st round every year. The Lakers, have not. In 05' the Lakers did not even make it to the playoffs at all. 2006 and 2007 the Lakers lost in the 1st round. The Spurs have also won every Finals appearance they have been in. The Lakers, in 04' and 08' not only lost the series but were also humiliated in the final game of the Finals of those years by both the Pistons and the Celtics.

So as of right now in RECENT history, the Spurs>Lakers.

[Man In Black]

In LA, this is how he will be remembered. Manu's a pussy!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/374757431_9e7e611dbd.jpg

What's funny is that I recall..THE SPURS WON THAT GAME...And KOBE GOT SUSPENDED THE NEXT GAME against the Knicks. :lmao

[Shastafarian]

In LA, this is how he will be remembered. Manu's a pussy!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/374757431_9e7e611dbd.jpg
That's funny cuz this is how Kobe will be remembered.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/kobeinside.jpg

[Man In Black]

That's funny cuz this is how Kobe will be remembered.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/art3/kobeinside.jpg

IS that because he attacked the Pussy that wasn't his?
Is it true that he changed his number to 24 to let his wife know that's how faithful he'll be every hour from since Golden, Colorado?
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[xtremesteven33]

Kobe cant win without Shaq

[mookie2001]

is this actually a thread

did yall see manu vs the lakers last year

it was shameful, he shat in the face of every spursfan in the state of texas, ruined whatever legacy he ever had and played THE WORST basketball an nba player could possibly play

remember that because i will never forget

[Shastafarian]

is this actually a thread

did yall see manu vs the lakers last year

it was shameful, he shat in the face of every spursfan in the state of texas, ruined whatever legacy he ever had and played THE WORST basketball an nba player could possibly play

remember that because i will never forget

I hope you're being sarcastic. I'm not sure how well I would play on an ankle that required surgery...

[Solid D]

mookie is guilty of PBT sometimes.

PBT=Post Before Thinking

[mookie2001]

hey that was a real great basketball decision playing on an injured ankle and hurting the team

he said during that series he wouldnt use it as an excuse, played, then cried that he was injured

ultimate bitch move

[Shastafarian]

hey that was a real great basketball decision playing on an injured ankle and hurting the team

he said during that series he wouldnt use it as an excuse, played, then cried that he was injured

ultimate bitch moveWould you rather he just sat out and not even tried? That sounds like a bitch move.

And wow you sure know your history. Can you find me a quote of his where he blamed anything on his ankle?

[Man In Black]

Mook=Closet Laker Fan


COME OUT OF THE CLOSET MOOKIE!!!

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[ClingingMars]

How did I know that idiot Faker fans would come in here and fuck this thread up.

-Mars

[mookie2001]

Would you rather he just sat out and not even tried?

uhh YES

clearly yes

[Shastafarian]

uhh YES

clearly yes

Why? What would it have done? Spurs would've still lost the series.

[timvp]

Manu Ginobili will be remembered as a Lakers Killer

I didn't read the article but that title is definitely premature ejockularity.

[Manufan909]

Are you seriously trying to bring up the rings argument to a Laker fan?

14 > 4 you dumb crack whore.

Kobe without Shaq Lakers=0
Timm with anyone=4
4>0, you retarded weed slut(see, i can make dumb insults too!:downspin:).

[Kori Ellis]

I'm more amazed that there's a website called Hot Non Porn.

[mookie2001]

Why? What would it have done? Spurs would've still lost the series.
well i guess we'll never know but usually an injured player, HURTS the team, thats why when you tear your knee or dislocate your shoulder, you dont play for a while because you wouldnt play well

[de Soto]

The Spurs better kill them first.

[Shastafarian]

well i guess we'll never know but usually an injured player, HURTS the team, thats why when you tear your knee or dislocate your shoulder, you dont play for a while because you wouldnt play well

Usually. But who would have taken Manu's minutes? Udoka? Barry? The Spurs were not gonna get past the Lakers without Manu one way or another.

[timvp]

Spurs probably win Game 1 if Manu doesn't play but I'm guessing they still lose the series.

[rayray2k8]

Throwing salt in old wounds.. I love it. XD
Lakers have a richer history than the spurs, no doubt.

But the Spurs have been more successful this past 10 years.
(That half a season does count lakers fans. L.A tried, last I remember)
Remember, back in 1999, it did spark the 3 championship years it had from 2000-2002.
Which in turn, in 2003, the spurs had a team specifically built to beat
the lakers and did so that year.
Then comes 2004...
Well, we all know how that turned out.. Empty trips home for both teams.
That year proved more fatal for the Lakers, in the summer.

After that, San Antonio won in 2005 and in 2007.
Lakers.. Still looking for the first since forever... (I'm sure for Bryant it feels that way)

Last years playoffs, I feel the series was closer than the outcome indicated and
it does have to do something with Manu Ginobili foot injury. Had he been healthy,
I think it may have been a longer series, with no way of telling who would have won
the series..
Yes laker fans, Manu is THAT important to the spurs.

Bottom line, the spurs have been eliminated by the lakers 4-2 in the playoffs in the
last 10 years..
But the spurs have done better overall.

[Solid D]

This article was written after the Spurs won Game 3 bringing the series to 2-1 (Lakers).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A0oGkuNExXxJh7MA8CdrCqMX;_ylu=X3oDMTBvdm M3bGlxBHBndANhdl93ZWJfcmVzdWx0BHNlYwNzcg--?slug=jy-lalsasgamethree052508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Ginobili turns frustration into fuel
By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports
May 26, 3:03 am EDT

SAN ANTONIO – Sasha Vujacic had done everything possible short of taking a tire iron to Manu Ginobili’s knee. He had bounced off screens, crowded him, pushed him right and … nothing. Ginobili had already thrown in four three-pointers and now he was stepping back for another.

Vujacic stepped, too, thrusting his arms between Ginobili’s, forcing the wiry guard to fade … fade … fade. Just as it looked like Ginobili’s back could bend no more, he launched a moonball toward the rim.

Vujacic turned to see the shot drop through the net. Shoulders slumped, he looked toward the roof of the AT&T Center, questioning, perhaps, just what he had done to deserve this torture. Kobe Bryant grinned. He knew. The Los Angeles Lakers had helped create this monster.

“Manu’s pissed,” one San Antonio Spurs coach said early Sunday evening before Ginobili had taken even his first step onto the court. “That could be good for us.”

The Spurs have long fed off Ginobili’s fire, and he burned as bright as ever Sunday, scoring 30 points and throwing a charge through his teammates as they rolled to a 103-84 victory over the Lakers. The Spurs only trimmed Los Angeles’ lead in the Western Conference finals to 2-1, but with Ginobili playing as he did Sunday? The champs aren’t dead just yet.

Ginobili had simmered through the first two games. His legs were heavy, his left ankle throbbed and he was missing a fingernail on his shooting hand. He had totaled just 17 points in the two losses, but that’s not what bothered him most. He expected more from himself. As the Spurs prepared to leave Los Angeles Friday night, Ginobili stared into the TV cameras and blamed himself for the two losses.

Ginobili’s recovery began, not surprisingly, in a medical office. On Saturday afternoon he stuck his sore ankle in an MRI tube and waited for the results. The Spurs doctors looked at the scan and saw what they expected: The ankle had some swelling and chronic arthritis, but was structurally sound.

The news, team officials said, seemed to relax Ginobili. The arthritis is an issue, and will likely continue to be in this every-other-day series. He jammed his foot in the first game of these playoffs, but the arthritis is believed to have built up since Ginobili tried to play in the finals of the 2002 World Championships after he severely sprained the ankle the previous game. Still, even that should have told Ginobili something.

After all, hadn’t he been through worse?

Ginobili also benefited, like every player does, from a couple of nights in his own bed. But Spurs coach Gregg Popovich worried as much about Ginobili’s mental state as he did his physical makeup. After tough losses, Popovich often talks about “filling up the cup.” Ginobili’s was clearly empty.

So Popovich gave Ginobili space at Sunday morning’s shootaround. He didn’t ask him how he was feeling because he didn’t want him thinking about it. He also shielded Ginobili from the media so he wouldn’t have to answer questions about either his ankle or his struggles.

“I think he just put all that behind him,” said Fabricio Oberto, Ginobili’s Argentine teammate and closest friend on the Spurs. “He just played.”

All that frustration? Ginobili turned it into fuel. After he hit his second consecutive three-pointer midway through the first quarter, he screamed and pumped both his fists. Ginobili continued to snarl his way through the game, again making back-to-back three-pointers in the second quarter to give the Spurs the lead for good.

Ginobili would later say he was “more me,” which should permanently end any Sasha Vujacic comparisons. All season long the Spurs have sensed Ginobili playing with an edge, even an anger, they had not felt in previous years. Now he barks back at opposing players, and after Ronny Turiaf and Derek Fisher decked him with a hard foul in the second half, Ginobili picked himself up and growled.

Popovich has long said he’s never coached a more competitive player, and there’s a reason for that: He hasn’t. In truth, only Bryant’s competitiveness may exceed Ginobili’s among current players, and that’s why the Spurs didn’t celebrate much Sunday. Bryant’s four fourth-quarter three-pointers could be a sign he’s only warming up.

Bryant, too, has long respected Ginobili from afar. He once called him his favorite player to watch. On Sunday, he merely called him “phenomenal.” The admiration dates to Ginobili’s second season. Then, Bryant came to San Antonio with Shaquille O’Neal, Karl Malone and Gary Payton at his side and found Tim Duncan and Tony Parker sidelined with injuries. Ginobili, totaling 33 points and 12 rebounds, somehow pushed the Spurs into double overtime before they lost.

That’s why neither the Spurs, nor Bryant, were surprised by Ginobili’s performance. Lakers coach Phil Jackson couldn’t even fault Vujacic too much. Ginobili, he said, simply made too many “impossible shots.”

“He understands what he’s done in games all his life, both in Europe and over here,” Popovich said. “He’s got a lot of confidence in what he can do.”

Ginobili’s confidence has continued to grow, as well as his standing in the league.

“He’s one of the best players in the world, without a doubt, but he never gets mentioned,” said New York coach Mike D’Antoni, who coached against Ginobili in Italy and lost to him four times in the playoffs in Phoenix. “He didn’t even make the All-Star team, which is a travesty.

“I think he exemplifies everything you want a player to be: great in the clutch; great at getting after a loose ball; great at defense; great at offense; unselfish; takes a contract for less money to make his team better.

“I don’t think there is one superlative you can say that is too much about him. … In the world he is unappreciated. Maybe because he is unorthodox, whatever. I don’t know. But I’ll tell you what, you can’t get a better player than him.

“You can debate Kobe or LeBron. Fine. But he is right there in the debate.”

The difference is that Kobe never seems to tire. Popovich long ago moved Ginobili to the bench not only to spark his teammates, but also to save him. That’s why these West finals don’t work in his favor. Ginobili, unlike Kobe, needs his rest.

Spending another night at home with family and friends will help. And if Ginobili’s cup fills again?

On Tuesday, the Spurs have a chance to make this a series.

[ShoogarBear]

Spurs probably win Game 1 if Manu doesn't play but I'm guessing they still lose the series.

I dunno. If Pop doesn't sit Bowen in the third, I think Game 1 would have had the same psychological effect as Game 1 of the Phoenix series, effectively convincing the Lakers they couldn't win.

[Killakobe81]

Manu has had great games against us the on earlier this year was one ...however ...he is more of a Suns killer i think he has hit 40+ at least twice that i have seen and also ...hit some late game daggers if not gamewinners in the playoffs and regular season ...I also think the Pistons hate to see him get hot ...

[spursncowboys]

Why do Laker fans go onto Spurs forums? Also why is Mookie pretending to not be a Lakers fans.
If the Spurs had the ref love that the Lakers have, they would have 7 rings!!!
George Karl said the Lakers have the majority of calls go their way (out of any team in the league). When asked which head coach he would love to be in the huddle with, he said Pop!