Who is the favorite in the West now?

[tlongII]

Still the Lakers?

The Spurs?

How about the Nuggets?

Could it be the Hornets?

Or is it now the Blazers?

[DAF86]

Lakers

[ClingingMars]

The Spurs.

-Mars

[timvp]

Lakers still. Bynum will probably be back. MCL injuries are about the "best" knee injuries possible.

Even without Bynum, the Spurs have just as much trouble with Odom.

[stretch]

mavericks

[Banzai]

Clippers

[CavsSuperFan]

Lakers in the West…But the East takes it again this year…
(Like that was ever in doubt)…

[IronMexican]

Lakers

[tlongII]

Personally I don't think the Lakers can beat us now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Lakers......but the Spurs are a close 2nd. Regardless of this injury the only 2 teams with a realistic shot in the West are these 2 teams.

[DAF86]

Personally I don't think the Lakers can beat us now.

It doesn't matter, the Spurs, Hornets, Rockets, Nuggets, Jazz, Mavs and Suns can.

[FreeMason]

It's still the Lakers.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

It's a wash between the Lakers and Spurs now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Personally I don't think the Lakers can beat us now.

You wouldn't think the 1996 Bulls could beat the Blazers.

[tlongII]

You wouldn't think the 1996 Bulls could beat the Blazers.

They couldn't this year. They're WAAAAY too old.

[djohn2oo8]

mavericks


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[xtremesteven33]

Lakers still. Bynum will probably be back. MCL injuries are about the "best" knee injuries possible.

Even without Bynum, the Spurs have just as much trouble with Odom.


Dont tell me you believe what you just said....YOU KNOW without Bynum the Spurs are the better team....:lol

[crc21209]

Ok. Don't know what tlong is smoking but the East AND West are three horse races I think....In the West the Lakers, then Spurs, then Hornets...and my darkhorse being Denver. In the East the Celtics, Cavs, Magic, and my darkhorse being the Pistons if they can put it together. The 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th seeds in the West are going to be a fight between Houston, Portland, Dallas, Utah, and Phoenix.

[1Parker1]

It's still the Lakers. They lost Bynum last season around this same time and they still managed to grab the #1 seed...and that was with a much tougher Western Conference. This season, the Western Conference isn't as strong so the Lakers should definitely be ok. Add to it that the Spurs, arguably the second best team in the West, have their toughest schedule in the 2nd half of the season, and it adds up the Lakers being ok.

[TwinTowers]

Lakers......but the Spurs are a close 2nd. Regardless of this injury the only 2 teams with a realistic shot in the West are these 2 teams.

Totally agree with you, but let's wait what happens before the trade deadline

[TwinTowers]

Dont tell me you believe what you just said....YOU KNOW without Bynum the Spurs are the better team....:lol

Do Mason, Hill, and Bonner make the Spurs that much better from last season's team?

[CavsSuperFan]

The Lakers have Chris Mihm & Josh Powell this year...Two of the best back up big men in the history of the NBA...

[BlackSwordsMan]

boston

[xtremesteven33]

Do Mason, Hill, and Bonner make the Spurs that much better from last season's team?


Hell F***N Yea.....

[xtremesteven33]

Also a healthy Manu helps...

[crc21209]

The Spurs are better than last yr Twin Towers.....Bonner, Hill, Mason > Horry, Vaughn, Udoka. Plus, like xtreme said....a healthy Manu makes all the difference.

[sook]

The Spurs are better than last yr Twin Towers.....Bonner, Hill, Mason > Horry, Vaughn, Udoka. Plus, like xtreme said....a healthy Manu makes all the difference.

I agree, i saw the Jazz vs Spurs game and Bonner had 6 threes upto the 3rd qrtr alone! The guy is a beast. Hope its tx team either way :king

[Kai]

I don't see how you can say anyone but the Lakers. It's not like they've been playing so well all season because of Bynum.

[crc21209]

I don't see how you can say anyone but the Lakers. It's not like they've been playing so well all season because of Bynum.

Bynum is a HUGE factor. Other than Pau, they have really no other "big time" big man. Powell, Mihm are not going to do and can not do what Bynum can. Bynum can avg. 15-10, hell he even scored 42 2 weeks ago. Powell and Mihm sure as hell can not. And Bynum brings a 7 foot body in the paint to take up space and block shots. Powell and Mihm, can not.

[sook]

Bynum is a HUGE factor. Other than Pau, they have really no other "big time" big man. Powell, Mihm are not going to do and can not do what Bynum can. Bynum can avg. 15-10, hell he even scored 42 2 weeks ago. Powell and Mihm sure as hell can not. And Bynum brings a 7 foot body in the paint to take up space and block shots. Powell and Mihm, can not.

The addition of Bonner in the starting lineup has done miracles for SA. I think SA could easily take this smaller lineup of LA

[Ghazi]

Mavericks :)

[FreeMason]

This time last year I don't think the Spurs could even hit 100 pts. I remember Manu was in Beastmode Dec-Jan but once he cooled down the droughts were atrocious.

This Spurs team will be better than last year.

[TheNextGen]

Lakers in the West…But the East takes it again this year…
(Like that was ever in doubt)…

You are right. The East will take it. Either Boston or Orlando.

[layupdrill]

Lakers but it makes things interesting.

[ClingingMars]

Do Mason, Hill, and Bonner make the Spurs that much better from last season's team?

a 100% manu sure as hell does

[Brazil]

Lakers. Last year they won the West without him they have some margin in the West.

Now if they meet a healthy West team in the WCF it will be tough, after that I think boston / clev and even magic would be favorite.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

trade deadline plays a huge role......does John Salmons make either team better than the other? He's a huge improvement over either Walton or Finley.

[ClingingMars]

trade deadline plays a huge role......does John Salmons make either team better than the other? He's a huge improvement over either Walton or Finley.

if Finley keeps producing, i beg to differ. and so will Pop, he loves his vets.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

if Finley keeps producing, i beg to differ. and so will Pop, he loves his vets.

If I were a Spurs fan and I witnessed last year's playoffs, I'd trust Finley in a Laker's series about as much as I trust Barbosa in a Spur's series.

[dirk4mvp]

Lakers

Bynum got injured, not Kobe.

[tlongII]

The Blazers now clearly have the best front line in the West.

[sook]

The Blazers now clearly have the best front line in the West.

:lol

[IronMexican]

I love this shit. Bynum was taking the most shots on this site all season. Now this suddenly opens it up for the rest of the West. Thoygh I agree, it's still funny.

[tlongII]

Dude, it's TRUE!

[me15lo]

The Lakers have Chris Mihm & Josh Powell this year...Two of the best back up big men in the history of the NBA...

i didnt know sarcasms are written in italic

[xtremesteven33]

I love this shit. Bynum was taking the most shots on this site all season. Now this suddenly opens it up for the rest of the West. Thoygh I agree, it's still funny.



For many people here but not me. I always said Bynum was the real deal and he was one of the main reasons why the Lakers were better than San Antonio.

Now, I KNOW if he stays out the Spurs are the favorites.

[mystargtr34]

The Blazers now clearly have the best front line in the West.

The Lakers still have a better front line.

Pau >>> Przybilla
Odom = LA
Mihm = Oden.

[mystargtr34]

Suns now have the best front line - but that dont mean much from the lottery.

[CavsSuperFan]

me15lo - It was a Bill Walton quote regarding Samaki Walker...

[Xylus]

The Lakers are still the favorite. Bynum wasn't a big part of their success.

Now if Kobe or Pau went out, it'd be a different story.

[DrHouse]

Bynum was the cherry on top, icing on the cake. The core of the Lakers is still very much intact and now they have a healthy Trevor Ariza as well.

If Bynum can make it back in 8 weeks I am very hopeful the Lakers will be fine for the playoffs. I do believe they will need him against SAS though, I'm not sure they get past the Spurs this season without him.

[layupdrill]

trade deadline plays a huge role......does John Salmons make either team better than the other? He's a huge improvement over either Walton or Finley.


Good point, I dont see LA being able to acquire Salmons though. As for San Antonio, or perhaps another team in the West needing a big(Denver), anythings possible.

[Darthkiller]

tbh, i think a healthy blazers team can be very very dangerous in playoff.

[Killakobe81]

Lakers slight favorite over spurs ...but i can see the argument the other way as well ...but we no worse than 2nd ...

[Killakobe81]

I love this shit. Bynum was taking the most shots on this site all season. Now this suddenly opens it up for the rest of the West. Thoygh I agree, it's still funny.

that is a gREAT point bynum was overrated ...bust etc. Now he is the reason the Lakers cant win gotta love it ...

[ginobili's bald spot]

It's not the Blazers.

[z0sa]

LA by a small margin - but if I'm a Lakerfan, I'm very disappointed Bynum is down once again right as LA starts to get into the thick of things.

As a homer, i think without Bynum spurs take LA in 6.

[pauls931]

the fuckin' lakers

[Deimosfobos]

Bynum was a big problem for the Spurs, without him and with a healthy Manu things are quite even now.
Tho... Odem is still much better than any of our bigs minus Duncan, so they still have a clear advantage there.

[Lars]

It's not the Blazers.

[JoeTait75]

Lake Show are still the favorites.

tlong, how about the Blazers a.) finish over .500, and b.) make the playoffs with this current group before you coronate them. Second round of the playoffs/backdoor trip to the WCF a la Utah in '07 would be a success for Portland this year.

[j-money24]

blazers are crap

[Ghazi]

Blazers are way too young to scare anyone in the playoffs. I can see them winning a playoff series though.

[tlongII]

30-17 with our schedule to date is definitely NOT crap! We are for real and our opportunity HAS ARRIVED!

[iggypop123]

30-17 with our schedule to date is definitely NOT crap! We are for real and our opportunity HAS ARRIVED!

darius miles says no

[m33p0]

not the blazers.

[mogrovejo]

Blazers defence is too bad to carry them too far in the play-offs.

I say the Lakers, by a much smaller margin. But Bynum will be ready for the playoffs.

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

still the lakers mann...yall act like bynum is out for the season. he'll be back when the playoff starts.

[Kobe™]

L.A. Bitches!
Ariza>>Mason

EATIT

[z0sa]

If Manu plays like he has been the last few games, the Lakers and their fans are going to be very sad come May ..

Mason shows up or not, Manu is still too good for a single defender, only a tough team defense is going to stall him much - and the Lakers don't exactly have that. Right as Bynum is doing well, he goes down and any chance of developing that good Team D chemistry is going to be gone. Even if he plays in the PO, the Lakers' softness on D is going to be their downfall.

Manu is fucking unstoppable still ..:wow in the last three games, he's scored and got to the paint at will on Stephen Jackson, James Posey, and AK47 ..

[ElNono]

I think it's Spurs or Lakers... Whoever gets there in better overall shape, both physically and mentally. The only reason I see one of them falling short is some injury.
The Hornets are going to be a tough matchup if CP3 and Chandler come back in good shape and West works out his slump. They can be hard to beat in their home court.
After that, I would say Denver upgraded nicely with Chauncey and they might actually make the 2nd round this time around, depending on the matchups.
The rest are playoff fodder at this point. The Mavs seem to show signs of life, but you have to wonder if JHo will stay interested for long. Portland has a decent coach, and Roy is fairly good, but even then they basically have next to none playoff experience. It's going to take a while for them to learn the ropes. Utah depends on Boozer, but other than wearing out the opponent for the next round, I don't see them with a lot left in the tank. And finally Houston... TMac seems uninterested when he's not actually injured... Yao actually cares when he's not injured... And Artest can be a great defender and an offensive blackhole at the same time. I don't think Adelman really got the pulse of that team yet, and that says a lot.

[21_Blessings]

If Manu plays like he has been the last few games, the Lakers and their fans are going to be very sad come May ..

Mason shows up or not, Manu is still too good for a single defender, only a tough team defense is going to stall him much - and the Lakers don't exactly have that. Right as Bynum is doing well, he goes down and any chance of developing that good Team D chemistry is going to be gone. Even if he plays in the PO, the Lakers' softness on D is going to be their downfall.

Manu is fucking unstoppable still ..:wow in the last three games, he's scored and got to the paint at will on Stephen Jackson, James Posey, and AK47 ..

Like the 9 points he torched the Lakers for last week? Manu is the definition of streaky - he's good for 1-2 or big games in a 7 game series but that's about it. Meanwhile, the Spurs still have nobody that can guard Kobe. He raped the shit out the Spurs last post-season with a fractured pinky finger. Expect the same again.

Other than that, Ariza is 10 times the defender Sasha is. He even has the ability to annoy Parker with his length. His versatility brings more than anything Bonner, Hill or Mason gives the Spurs, that much is for sure.

Lakers in 5, again, without Bynum










































Except Bynum will be back for the playoffs this time. Suckers. :lobt2:

[DrHouse]

Assuming Bynum comes back in 8 weeks it really won't matter what any team in the WC does. The Lakers should advance to the Finals. Nobody in the WC has the coaching, talent, depth, and size to match LAL.

[m33p0]

Assuming Bynum comes back in 8 weeks it really won't matter what any team in the WC does. The Lakers should advance to the Finals. Other than the Spurs, nobody in the WC has the coaching, talent, depth, and size to match LAL.

[Ghazi]

Lakers are probably better than the Spurs even without Bynum. People act like a BIG reason why the lakers were successful is because of Bynum, I really don't think it is. He's just a luxury that puts them over the top, but they're still elite without him. They need him to compete with Cleveland Boston and Orlando, but not to stay ahead of teams like the Spurs/Nuggets.

The Spurs and Lakers are about even defensively but the Lakers are a MUCH better offensive team, there's your difference. The Spurs trademark was being the premier defensive team in the league, they no longer are. Orlando, Cleveland, and Boston are clearly better defensively and LA and HOuston are right there w/ the Spurs.


The Spurs aren't looking as good lately as some Spurs fans would like to believe. they've beaten some good teams, but 2 of them were battling injuries and aren't that great to begin with and the Suns are simply mediocre. Then tonight they had a close call with the Warriors.

They're still just 4 games removed from getting blown out in Staples, yet some think the last 4 games should suggest the Spurs are right there with the Lakers?

So with all that being said, the Lakers IMO are still the favorites in the West.

[angelbelow]

sonics

[DrHouse]

Lakers are probably better than the Spurs even without Bynum. People act like a BIG reason why the lakers were successful is because of Bynum, I really don't think it is. He's just a luxury that puts them over the top, but they're still elite without him. They need him to compete with Cleveland Boston and Orlando, but not to stay ahead of teams like the Spurs/Nuggets.

The Spurs and Lakers are about even defensively but the Lakers are a MUCH better offensive team, there's your difference. The Spurs trademark was being the premier defensive team in the league, they no longer are. Orlando, Cleveland, and Boston are clearly better defensively and LA and HOuston are right there w/ the Spurs.


The Spurs aren't looking as good lately as some Spurs fans would like to believe. they've beaten some good teams, but 2 of them were battling injuries and aren't that great to begin with and the Suns are simply mediocre. Then tonight they had a close call with the Warriors.

They're still just 4 games removed from getting blown out in Staples, yet some think the last 4 games should suggest the Spurs are right there with the Lakers?

So with all that being said, the Lakers IMO are still the favorites in the West.

Quality post.

I would add the Spurs are barely eeking out wins against even subpar teams. Nearly every game I've seen this season has come down to a last second shot or overtime. That's not a good sign IMHO. Championship teams typically don't struggle against weak competition and then get blown out embarrasingly by the elite teams.

The Spurs are Tier 2 below the Tier 1 teams which are BOS, CLE, ORL, and LAL. Good enough for #2 in the WC, but at this point that ain't saying much.

[Ghazi]

That's another thing I forgot to mention. the Spurs margin of victory is 3.3... the Lakers are at 8.8, Celtics 10.0, Cavs 10.3, and Magic 8.1

In fact, the Blazers (4.0) and Nuggets (3.8) have higher margins than the Spurs.

Some people don't take that stat seriously, and the difference between a 4 and 5 point MoV usually isn't that much, but the gap between 8.8 and 3.3 is pretty significant, especially over a 47 game sample size.

I give the Spurs a chance out of reverence for their past accolades, but this years Lakers are probably better than those Suns of '05 and '07 teams and '03 Mavs that Spurs played en route to their championships and the Magic/Cavs/Celtics are much better than the '03 Nets (49-33), '05 Pistons (54-28), and '07 Cavs (50-32)....but we'll see what happens.

[Rapper]

The San Antonio Silvers Stars

[Rummpd]

Lakers still slight favorites over Spurs but the rest are all of a bunch of wannabees with the possible exception of Houston that could get scary good IF EVER HEALTHY

[Sportstudi]

Lakers

[ElNono]

The Spurs and Lakers are about even defensively but the Lakers are a MUCH better offensive team, there's your difference. The Spurs trademark was being the premier defensive team in the league, they no longer are. Orlando, Cleveland, and Boston are clearly better defensively and LA and HOuston are right there w/ the Spurs.


I would have agreed with you at the beginning of the season, but while the Spurs have not managed to play solid defense for 48 minutes yet, there are signs of improvement. The Lakers have regressed considerably on the defensive department. The Spurs offense is actually improved from previous years, probably the sole reason we're winning these tight games allowing over 100+ PPG. Still not on the Lakers level, but that has a reason also, which I explain below.



The Spurs aren't looking as good lately as some Spurs fans would like to believe. they've beaten some good teams, but 2 of them were battling injuries and aren't that great to begin with and the Suns are simply mediocre. Then tonight they had a close call with the Warriors.

They're still just 4 games removed from getting blown out in Staples, yet some think the last 4 games should suggest the Spurs are right there with the Lakers?

So with all that being said, the Lakers IMO are still the favorites in the West.

You need to understand that Pop realizes that as long as we're fresh for the playoffs, the regular season is relatively meaningless. Go take a look at the minutes per game for Ginobili and Bowen (Even Duncan's have come down considerably lately. They're skewed right now because he played a lot of minutes when Manu and Tony were out) and you'll see what Pop is doing.
He's also still playing with the rotation (we pretty much debuted a rookie last night, Hairston), which is fairly surprising at this point in the season.
The reason Spurs see a major improvement for the last 3 or 4 games is basically Ginobili. He's now back to driving to the basket almost twice as much as he's taking jumpers, and when he scores 20+, we're very, very hard to beat. Even by the Lakers (Look at Ginobili's numbers from last season WCF, and even the games this season, and you'll see what I mean).

[tlongII]

Blazers

[TwinTowers]

The addition of Bonner in the starting lineup has done miracles for SA. I think SA could easily take this smaller lineup of LA

Bonner is a big men with no inside game... he might score some threes, but he's a liability on defense... I don't see him being able to contain Odom's quickness

[z0sa]

Like the 9 points he torched the Lakers for last week? Manu is the definition of streaky - he's good for 1-2 or big games in a 7 game series but that's about it. Meanwhile, the Spurs still have nobody that can guard Kobe. He raped the shit out the Spurs last post-season with a fractured pinky finger. Expect the same again.

Last I checked we have Bowen, AKA Kobe stopper, and Pop wants you to think he's lost a step ... because he clearly has not, not even one little bit.

Second, Manu was our leading scorer last season IE he was good for a lot more than "1-2", but expecting you to know the facts is a lesson in pointlessness. Manu's already stated he feels 100% and the last three games (30+ in two of them) just show without a strong, physical team D, no one will be stopping him this season. But continue on thinking anyone -- ANYONE -- on the Lakers ballclub has a chance of even containing him. You had a better argument saying Bynum could contain Tim, but even that's out the door now :lol


Other than that, Ariza is 10 times the defender Sasha is. He even has the ability to annoy Parker with his length. His versatility brings more than anything Bonner, Hill or Mason gives the Spurs, that much is for sure.

Last I checked, Ariza fucking traveled in the biggest play of the game against the Spurs on Jan. 14th, while Mason hit the gamewinner and got fouled :lmao what a fucking douche. Mason/Hill/Bonner bring much more to the table than one man, who didn't annoy Parker at all - Parker just made a couple careless plays. Three-time All-star Tony Parker never got annoyed by players like Marion or Joe Johnson, who are better defenders than Ariza and get more ref respect. Don't take it you've watched the Spurs play much outside of the tired ones last WCF.


Lakers in 5, again, without Bynum
Except Bynum will be back for the playoffs this time. Suckers. :lobt2:

Team D takes whole seasons to perfect.. Bynum out during this key stretch run dooms LA's title chances, which IMO were slim even if they did make it to the Finals. Their biggest problem was interior D. Whether you like it or not, Parker and Manu will be getting to the paint, and thats when you're going to wish PJ had a run a few more defensive drills earlier in the season, or at least found some way to keep Kobe from injuring Bynum :rollin

[DrHouse]

Last I checked we have Bowen, AKA Kobe stopper, and Pop wants you to think he's lost a step ... because he clearly has not, not even one little bit.

Second, Manu was our leading scorer last season IE he was good for a lot more than "1-2", but expecting you to know the facts is a lesson in pointlessness. Manu's already stated he feels 100% and the last three games (30+ in two of them) just show without a strong, physical team D, no one will be stopping him this season. But continue on thinking anyone -- ANYONE -- on the Lakers ballclub has a chance of even containing him. You had a better argument saying Bynum could contain Tim, but even that's out the door now :lol



Last I checked, Ariza fucking traveled in the biggest play of the game against the Spurs on Jan. 14th, while Mason hit the gamewinner and got fouled :lmao what a fucking douche. Mason/Hill/Bonner bring much more to the table than one man, who didn't annoy Parker at all - Parker just made a couple careless plays. Three-time All-star Tony Parker never got annoyed by players like Marion or Joe Johnson, who are better defenders than Ariza and get more ref respect. Don't take it you've watched the Spurs play much outside of the tired ones last WCF.



Team D takes whole seasons to perfect.. Bynum out during this key stretch run dooms LA's title chances, which IMO were slim even if they did make it to the Finals. Their biggest problem was interior D. Whether you like it or not, Parker and Manu will be getting to the paint, and thats when you're going to wish PJ had a run a few more defensive drills earlier in the season, or at least found some way to keep Kobe from injuring Bynum :rollin

Damn you are such a ridiculous homer I don't even know where to begin.

I guess the fucking thrashing the Lakers delivered in the last game didn't teach you anything. The Spurs problem isn't Manu, Parker, or Duncan. It's the fact that they have no legiitmate front court depth to stop a Bynum/Gasol/Odom frontline.

But keep thinking Matt Bonner and Kurt Thomas are going to get it done for you.

[The_Game]

z0sa you really are a big homer lol

the spurs won't beat the lakers even if bynum is out...spurs are simply overmatched

we are no longer in 2007

[Bartleby]

z0sa you really are a big homer lol

the spurs won't beat the lakers even if bynum is out...spurs are simply overmatched

we are no longer in 2007

:lol @ the Laker homers calling out Spurs homers.

[lefty]

Not the Lakers
Not the Blazers

[TheMACHINE]

Not the Lakers
Not the Blazers

I guess its the Hornets.

[BLACKMAMBA24]

While we are all pretending nothing happened last night as a message was sent to the leaugue(celtics),the lakers for sure. MVP!

[endrity]

With Manu finally resembling the Manu of old, and Mason playing really well also, I am starting to think that the 'odd year' luck will continue for the Spurs. Maybe Duncan does get that 5th ring before Shaq after all.

[DrHouse]

With Manu finally resembling the Manu of old, and Mason playing really well also, I am starting to think that the 'odd year' luck will continue for the Spurs. Maybe Duncan does get that 5th ring before Shaq after all.

Let's say the Spurs do make it to the Finals.

Does anyone think they can realistically beat BOS or CLE in a 7 game series without HCA?

Give me a break. They will get slaughtered by both teams. The only team in the WC that stands a chance against the EC is the Lakers w/ Bynum.

[z0sa]

Let's say the Spurs do make it to the Finals.

Does anyone think they can realistically beat BOS or CLE in a 7 game series without HCA?

Yes.


Give me a break. They will get slaughtered by both teams. The only team in the WC that stands a chance against the EC is the Lakers w/ Bynum.

The Lakers already had their chance and got owned by 40+ points in the deciding game. Time for the Dyasty of our era to keep that perfect Finals record.

[z0sa]

z0sa you really are a big homer lol

the spurs won't beat the lakers even if bynum is out...spurs are simply overmatched

we are no longer in 2007

i brought out the biggest Laker homer on this board :rollin

[tlongII]

Let's say the Spurs do make it to the Finals.

Does anyone think they can realistically beat BOS or CLE in a 7 game series without HCA?

Give me a break. They will get slaughtered by both teams. The only team in the WC that stands a chance against the EC is the Lakers w/ Bynum.

It depends on how much we have improved at the end of the season. People forget that we still don't have our starting SF yet. He's due back in mid-March. Add to that the fact that we are so young that we can't help but learn and improve as the season continues to progress. We're already seeing improvement in Oden and Bayless. Steve Blake will be back in the lineup in a week. We have the talent to beat anybody. It's just a matter of seeing it mature quickly.

[The_Game]

Let's say the Spurs do make it to the Finals.

Does anyone think they can realistically beat BOS or CLE in a 7 game series without HCA?

Give me a break. They will get slaughtered by both teams. The only team in the WC that stands a chance against the EC is the Lakers w/ Bynum.

Not without a trade, adding Roger Mason is not enough to win the title. Cavs, Celtics and Lakers are all better as it stands now.

[DrHouse]

Yes.



The Lakers already had their chance and got owned by 40+ points in the deciding game. Time for the Dyasty of our era to keep that perfect Finals record.

Last season moron. No Bynum. No Ariza.

We beat the Celtics this season with both of them in the lineup.

[DrHouse]

Not without a trade, adding Roger Mason is not enough to win the title. Cavs, Celtics and Lakers are all better as it stands now.

Yup. Anyone who says otherwise is a pure homer. Plain and simple.

[DaDakota]

Favorite?

Whomever is healthiest at the time of the playoffs.

DD

[mytespurs]

Still the Lakers?

The Spurs?

How about the Nuggets?

Could it be the Hornets?

Or is it now the Blazers?

Until and unless one of the WC teams can overtake them, it's the Lakers in my book.

[z0sa]

Last season moron. No Bynum. No Ariza.

We beat the Celtics this season with both of them in the lineup.

Lakerfan reveling in that regular season win at home :lol you're fuckin pathetic, twofaced and a hypocrite. Bynum is young and dumb, this injury is going to turn him into a relative non factor, especially when the PO progress and PJ refuses to play him. Ariza? Don't make me fucking laugh. First and foremost, he can't be on both Manu and Tony at once - as if he could hold either one out of the paint :lmao besides this, he's inexperienced and really just isn't that impressive.

Manu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ariza's traveling ass

keep them blinders on though, we'll gladly torch your team on the way to Number 5 out of 5.

[z0sa]

Yup. Anyone who says otherwise is a pure homer. Plain and simple.

says the biggest dumbass homer on this site :blah

[DrHouse]

Lakerfan reveling in that regular season win at home :lol you're fuckin pathetic, twofaced and a hypocrite. Bynum is young and dumb, this injury is going to turn him into a relative non factor, especially when the PO progress and PJ refuses to play him. Ariza? Don't make me fucking laugh. First and foremost, he can't be on both Manu and Tony at once - as if he could hold either one out of the paint :lmao besides this, he's inexperienced and really just isn't that impressive.

Manu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ariza's traveling ass

keep them blinders on though, we'll gladly torch your team on the way to Number 5 out of 5.

Ariza didn't guard Manu much in that last game.

It was primarily Kobe. And I thought Kobe did an amazing job on him, holding him to a mere 9 pts on sub 40% shooting. More importantly Manu could not get to the rim at all. He was relegated to being a jumpshooter and making careless turnovers with the ball.

The Lakers don't need to prove they can beat the Spurs. They whooped their ass last year 4-1 and if Bynum can make it back in 8 weeks they will certainly do it again. A healthy Manu is not a game changer if Kobe is guarding him and Bynum is protecting the rim.

The Spurs need a front court to be elite. Right now it's Tim Duncan, Bonner, and Kurt Thomas. That's not going to get it done against LAL at full strength.

[Flo-Rida]

Spurs

[Ghazi]

Spurs are 2-6 v Lakers since Gasol trade, and 1-7 if we consider that the Mason shot/Fisher foul were fluke occurences.

Spurs have no reason to be confident, that's 8 games of evidence that the Lakers are a better team.

The Spurs chance is some sort of Lakers implosion/underachievement or the Spurs playing a FLAWLESS game of basketball

Lakers best basketball > Spurs best basketball

[PDXSpursFan]

Suns are more fun to watch :rolleyes

[DrHouse]

Spurs are 2-6 v Lakers since Gasol trade, and 1-7 if we consider that the Mason shot/Fisher foul were fluke occurences.

Spurs have no reason to be confident, that's 8 games of evidence that the Lakers are a better team.

The Spurs chance is some sort of Lakers implosion/underachievement or the Spurs playing a FLAWLESS game of basketball

Lakers best basketball > Spurs best basketball

This is simply a reality Spur fan refuses to accept.

[Xylus]

Jason Richardson is clearly the favorite to win the West right now.

[21_Blessings]

Last I checked we have Bowen, AKA Kobe stopper, and Pop wants you to think he's lost a step ... because he clearly has not, not even one little bit.

The 'kobe stopper'? Haha. Bowen has never stopped Kobe. And in the last 3 seasons Kobe has lit Bowen up. You do realize Kobe averaged close to 30 on the Spurs in the WCF on 50% shooting, right? Kobe stopper, that's rich.


Second, Manu was our leading scorer last season IE he was good for a lot more than "1-2", but expecting you to know the facts is a lesson in pointlessness. Manu's already stated he feels 100% and the last three games (30+ in two of them) just show without a strong, physical team D, no one will be stopping him this season. But continue on thinking anyone -- ANYONE -- on the Lakers ballclub has a chance of even containing him. You had a better argument saying Bynum could contain Tim, but even that's out the door now :lol

Where was Manu on the 25th? Oh that's right, he was contained.



Last I checked, Ariza fucking traveled in the biggest play of the game against the Spurs on Jan. 14th, while Mason hit the gamewinner and got fouled

Except Ariza didn't travel and he was fouled. Good job pointing out the refs gift wrapped that victory for the Spurs at HOME.


:lmao what a fucking douche. Mason/Hill/Bonner bring much more to the table than one man, who didn't annoy Parker at all - Parker just made a couple careless plays. Three-time All-star Tony Parker never got annoyed by players like Marion or Joe Johnson, who are better defenders than Ariza and get more ref respect. Don't take it you've watched the Spurs play much outside of the tired ones last WCF.

Ariza did annoy and bother Parker. He was doing nothing against Ariza. Don't confused Parker's production with Fisher guarding him to Ariza.


Team D takes whole seasons to perfect.. Bynum out during this key stretch run dooms LA's title chances,

The Lakers only played about 30 games with Pau last season and theys tilled played better team defense than SA in the WCF. Now they have an entire season with Pau AND ARIZA so their team defense will be even tougher come playoff time.


which IMO were slim even if they did make it to the Finals. Their biggest problem was interior D. Whether you like it or not, Parker and Manu will be getting to the paint, and thats when you're going to wish PJ had a run a few more defensive drills earlier in the season, or at least found some way to keep Kobe from injuring Bynum :rollin

Is Duncan going to shoot 43% again with Gasol guarding him? :lol Whatever offense Parker and Manu can give the Spurs it will matched and trumped by Kobe and the rest of the Laker roleplayers.

The Spurs are done. Time to accept that reality. :flag:

[mytespurs]

The 'kobe stopper'? Haha. Bowen has never stopped Kobe. And in the last 3 seasons Kobe has lit Bowen up. You do realize Kobe averaged close to 30 on the Spurs in the WCF on 50% shooting, right? Kobe stopper, that's rich.



Where was Manu on the 25th? Oh that's right, he was contained.




Except Ariza didn't travel and he was fouled. Good job pointing out the refs gift wrapped that victory for the Spurs at HOME.



Ariza did annoy and bother Parker. He was doing nothing against Ariza. Don't confused Parker's production with Fisher guarding him to Ariza.



The Lakers only played about 30 games with Pau last season and theys tilled played better team defense than SA in the WCF. Now they have an entire season with Pau AND ARIZA so their team defense will be even tougher come playoff time.



Is Duncan going to shoot 43% again with Gasol guarding him? :lol Whatever offense Parker and Manu can give the Spurs it will matched and trumped by Kobe and the rest of the Laker roleplayers.

The Spurs are done. Time to accept that reality. :flag:


The Spurs may not have the youth, depth, offensive scoring power that the lakers have and they are an older team with not as much depth but I hardly consider them "done" just yet. They probably won't win the West but this is veteran championship group so never discount them and I wouldn't underestimate them....:hat

[hater]

and 1-7 if we consider that the Mason shot/Fisher foul were fluke occurences.


:lol talk about denying reality...

truth is, Spurs are a better team this year than last year. Mason, Hill, Manu healthy. truth is, Lakers are a worse team than last year defensivewise. 2 realities Laker fan refuses to see

[DrHouse]

:lol talk about denying reality...

truth is, Spurs are a better team this year than last year. Mason, Hill, Manu healthy. truth is, Lakers are a worse team than last year defensivewise. 2 realities Laker fan refuses to see

They are so much worse that they have a better record.

[hater]

youre giving up 100ppg

[Ghazi]

^ they play a fast pace

[21_Blessings]

youre giving up 100ppg

San Antonio is letting other teams shoot .457 which 19th in the NBA :rollin

[IronMexican]

How are the Lakers worse that last season? lol.

[hater]

how many they give up last year?

[DrHouse]

how many they give up last year?

How are the Lakers worse than last season?

[21_Blessings]

Meanwhile the Spurs defense is worse than last season by a good amount.

[Banzai]

The Spurs may be older but they are full of experience..I'm not counting them out...2003 comes to mind.

[Ghazi]

Our Mavs would've won it ALL in 2003 if our beloved Dirk didn't get slain in battle.

Just kidding, but ya never know :)

[TwinTowers]

While we are all pretending nothing happened last night as a message was sent to the leaugue(celtics),the lakers for sure. MVP!

yeah, as long as the supporting cast step up to the challenge...

[TwinTowers]

Let's say the Spurs do make it to the Finals.

Does anyone think they can realistically beat BOS or CLE in a 7 game series without HCA?

Give me a break. They will get slaughtered by both teams. The only team in the WC that stands a chance against the EC is the Lakers w/ Bynum.

I think the Spurs would match up better with the Cs than the Lakers did last year. San Antonio has the edge at PG, and PF; Boston has the advantage at SF, and SG. As far as roll role players, they're evenly matched. Against Cleveland it all depends on whether LJ can shot from the outside consistently, and the cavs lack a third scorer...

[TwinTowers]

Lakerfan reveling in that regular season win at home :lol you're fuckin pathetic, twofaced and a hypocrite. Bynum is young and dumb, this injury is going to turn him into a relative non factor, especially when the PO progress and PJ refuses to play him. Ariza? Don't make me fucking laugh. First and foremost, he can't be on both Manu and Tony at once - as if he could hold either one out of the paint :lmao besides this, he's inexperienced and really just isn't that impressive.

Manu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ariza's traveling ass

keep them blinders on though, we'll gladly torch your team on the way to Number 5 out of 5.

Ariza doesn't have to guard both Parker and Manu, don't forget that kobe can guard either one of them, and he's a good defender too.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Last I checked we have Bowen, AKA Kobe stopper, and Pop wants you to think he's lost a step ... because he clearly has not, not even one little bit.


I think everyone here knows my view on the Lakers, but this is ridiculous. Kobe had a fuckin MJ quality series against him last year.

[Trainwreck2100]

Our Mavs would've won it ALL in 2003 if our beloved Dirk didn't get slain in battle.

Just kidding, but ya never know :)

To this day i wonder where the Mavs would be if Cuban got his way and Dirk played injured

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Jason Richardson is clearly the favorite to win the West right now.

:tu

[Bandwagon Spurs Fan]

I think everyone here knows my view on the Lakers, but this is ridiculous. Kobe had a fuckin MJ quality series against him last year.

Don't expect that again. Kobe's no MJ.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Don't expect that again. Kobe's no MJ.

I'm aware of that, I was only saying Bowen doesn't have the ability to frustrate Kobe like he would be able to do a few years ago. This is why I've repeatedly said SA would be smart to get Salmons who has defended Kobe superbly this year.

[z0sa]

I'm aware of that, I was only saying Bowen doesn't have the ability to frustrate Kobe like he would be able to do a few years ago. This is why I've repeatedly said SA would be smart to get Salmons who has defended Kobe superbly this year.

Bowen not only can still defend Kobe as well, he sometimes outscores him now too.

for real though, I'm serious. I honestly don't think Bowen has lost a step. I don't even know how you're judging his defense against Kobe when he's played a handful of minutes against him. Not only that, those handful of minutes were very good, including forcing 3 TO's in the first game between LA/SA - in something like 10 minutes of play.

[DrHouse]

Bowen can't defend Kobe like he used to 3-4 years ago. He can still defend him well, but he isn't stopping Kobe by any means all by his lonesome.

Kobe averaged near 30ppg and 50% shooting last year in the playoffs. If that is what you consider good defense you are fucking retarded.

[ElNono]

Let's say the Spurs do make it to the Finals.

Does anyone think they can realistically beat BOS or CLE in a 7 game series without HCA?

Give me a break. They will get slaughtered by both teams. The only team in the WC that stands a chance against the EC is the Lakers w/ Bynum.

Please, the only thing that the Lakers have proven is that they can choke away NBA Finals... We're 4-0 there...

[Bandwagon Spurs Fan]

Bowen can't defend Kobe like he used to 3-4 years ago. He can still defend him well, but he isn't stopping Kobe by any means all by his lonesome.

Kobe averaged near 30ppg and 50% shooting last year in the playoffs. If that is what you consider good defense you are fucking retarded.

Nothing like beating up on a tired team three rounds in when you've had the easiest path of the entire playoffs :lmao That well-rested Lakerclub could barely beat the Spurs, who held 3 double digit leads in 3 of the 4 losses. The Lakers were lucky and squeaked by.

When the Lakers played someone in the PO who could match their intensity, they failed. Miserably. By 40 points. Almost the worst loss in Finals history. So often it happens when there is a collection of so many chokers and pussies on one team.

[ElNono]

Bowen can't defend Kobe like he used to 3-4 years ago. He can still defend him well, but he isn't stopping Kobe by any means all by his lonesome.

Kobe averaged near 30ppg and 50% shooting last year in the playoffs. If that is what you consider good defense you are fucking retarded.

Pop learned the lesson. That's why Bowen is resting now. Guess why?
But nevermind. We'll play the games and see who comes up on top when all is said and done. And I love the Spurs chances against any team in the league when May comes around...

[Trainwreck2100]

Please, the only thing that the Lakers have proven is that they can choke away NBA Finals... We're 4-0 there...

They didn't choke away the Finals. The Celts curbstomped, raped em(for irony's sake), then burned them alive, and pissed on their ashes.

[DrHouse]

The team that got beat down 4-1 by the Lakers cannot talk shit about the Lakers.

[Ghazi]

They didn't choke away the Finals. The Celts curbstomped, raped em(for irony's sake), then burned them alive, and pissed on their ashes.

Only in game 6, the first 5 games were decently competitive.

[Trainwreck2100]

The team that got beat down 4-1 by the Lakers cannot talk shit about the Lakers.

:lol 39 point beat down in an elimination game.

:lmao NBA record

[Trainwreck2100]

Only in game 6, the first 5 games were decently competitive.

I meant game 6

[DrHouse]

:lol 39 point beat down in an elimination game.

:lmao NBA record

2001 WCF: LAL vs SAS

Game 1: 104-90 LAL wins by 14
Game 2: 88-81 LAL wins by 7
Game 3: 111-72 LAL wins by 39
Game 4: 111-82 LAL wins by 29


In 2001 the Lakers swept Duncan and the Spurs by an average margin of 22.3 points per game in the WCF, including a 39 point advantage beatdown. That was the greatest margin of defeat for a conference series in NBA historySpur fan cannot talk shit to Laker fan about beatdowns.

[TheNextGen]

2001 WCF: LAL vs SAS


Game 3: 111-72 LAL wins by 39


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WOW..FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE.

[DrHouse]

I love it when stupid homer Spur fan owns himself.

Dumb motherfucker tries to talk shit about the Lakers only to realize the Lakers have thoroughly owned his franchise throughout its existence.

[Trainwreck2100]

2001 WCF: LAL vs SAS

Game 1: 104-90 LAL wins by 14
Game 2: 88-81 LAL wins by 7
Game 3: 111-72 LAL wins by 39
Game 4: 111-82 LAL wins by 29

Spur fan cannot talk shit to Laker fan about beatdowns.

:lmao blown up dynasty
:lol pho curbstomps
:rollin 39 points

I will admit though the Lakers do tend to catch the Spurs when their two guards are coming off injury.

[Trainwreck2100]

I love it when stupid homer Spur fan owns himself.

Dumb motherfucker tries to talk shit about the Lakers only to realize the Lakers have thoroughly owned his franchise throughout its existence.

Sorry i had to make sure that was the year where they were fucked over by Juwon Howard

[TheNextGen]

:lmao blown up dynasty
:lol pho curbstomps
:rollin 39 points

I will admit though the Lakers do tend to catch the Spurs when their two guards are coming off injury.

Dude...your out of control. You're not even making good arguements anymore.

[DrHouse]

Dude...your out of control. You're not even making good arguements anymore.

When has he ever made good arguments? He's just a dumbass bitter Spur homer who hates the Lakers.

[Trainwreck2100]

When has he ever made good arguments? He's just a dumbass bitter Spur homer who hates the Lakers.

Really, show me a post where i say i hate the lakers?

[DrHouse]

Really, show me a post where i say i hate the lakers?

You're also dumb.

[z0sa]

I love it when stupid homer Spur fan owns himself.

Dumb motherfucker tries to talk shit about the Lakers only to realize the Lakers have thoroughly owned his franchise throughout its existence.

Are you talking about the same team that barely outplayed a tired Spurs team on its way to a 40 point meltdown?

[Trainwreck2100]

You're also dumb.

I'll tell you this much since you won't find where i hate the Lakers, because i don't mind you. I think Chick Hearn is one of the best ever. I applaud Wilt, and i even appreciate what they did early in the decade. Do i care that Kobe raped that bitch, no the charges were dropped good for him we should all be so lucky. What i hate are Laker fans. There's a difference.

[ezau]

The team that got beat down 4-1 by the Lakers cannot talk shit about the Lakers.

Lakers are really good at making history and records. Say for example..... getting beat by 40 points in the Finals. That's more than embarrassing and the worst part is, your rivals gave you a beat down that everyone will remember.

[DrHouse]

Lakers are really good at making history and records. Say for example..... getting beat by 40 points in the Finals. That's more than embarrassing and the worst part is, your rivals gave you a beat down that everyone will remember.

That's fine and if CELTIC fans want to talk shit about their team's accomplishments they can go ahead.

But for a sorry ass SPUR fan to take credit for what the CELTICS did is just pathetic. Especially when the SPURS got beaten 4-1 by the same Laker team.

Like I sad before, Spur fan can't talk shit to Laker fan.

14 > 4
4-2 this decade in the playoffs

You have nothing to say so you ride the coattails of other franchise's accomplishments.

[anakha]

You're also dumb.

In other words, you assumed that TW2100 is a Laker hater and are trying to figure out how you can backpedal out of it without losing face.

[DrHouse]

In other words, you assumed that TW2100 is a Laker hater and are trying to figure out how you can backpedal out of it without losing face.

Read the thread before you open your idiot mouth.

[ElNono]

They didn't choke away the Finals. The Celts curbstomped, raped em(for irony's sake), then burned them alive, and pissed on their ashes.

Don't forget Detroit...

[ElNono]

2001 WCF: LAL vs SAS

Game 1: 104-90 LAL wins by 14
Game 2: 88-81 LAL wins by 7
Game 3: 111-72 LAL wins by 39
Game 4: 111-82 LAL wins by 29

Spur fan cannot talk shit to Laker fan about beatdowns.

GINOBILI INJURED
LAKERS HAVEN'T WON SHIT WITH KOBE THE CLOSER

You finished second. They'll remember that Laker team pretty much like the Spurs that year... not at all... except obviously for the NBA record setting beatdown in the Finals.

[DrHouse]

You, as a fan, cannot talk shit to another team's fans when your team got beat down in the playoffs by them. You just can't.

The only fans who can talk shit are Piston fan and Celtic fan. Their team did what the Spurs did not. Trying to take credit for what other team's did is what pathetic losers do. You're better than that.

[ElNono]

You, as a fan, cannot talk shit to another team's fans when your team got beat down in the playoffs by them. You just can't.

The only fans who can talk shit are Piston fan and Celtic fan. Their team did what the Spurs did not. Trying to take credit for what other team's did is what pathetic losers do. You're better than that.

I can talk all the shit I want to the Lakers because they have not won shit. There's no 2nd place championship trophy. You failed, exactly like the Spurs that year. And we can talk all we want, since the last 3 NBA Championships coming from the West read Spurs/Spurs/Spurs. So STFU and stop telling me what I can talk or not talk about.

[DrHouse]

I can talk all the shit I want to the Lakers because they have not won shit. There's no 2nd place championship trophy. You failed, exactly like the Spurs that year. And we can talk all we want, since the last 3 NBA Championships coming from the West read Spurs/Spurs/Spurs. So STFU and stop telling me what I can talk or not talk about.

Nope you can't talk shit about that either.

14 > 4.


Man it must kill you inside to know you simply cannot talk shit to Laker fan about anything.

[Trainwreck2100]

You, as a fan, cannot talk shit to another team's fans when your team got beat down in the playoffs by them. You just can't.

The only fans who can talk shit are Piston fan and Celtic fan. Their team did what the Spurs did not. .

2003?

[DrHouse]

2003?

Since 1982, the Lakers have faced the Spurs 10 times in the playoffs, winning eight times and holding a 35-18 overall edge in games. The Lakers are 4-0 against the Spurs in the conference final, winning 17 of the 15 games played.


Here's the Lakers-Spurs playoff series history:

1982...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-0
1983...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-2
1986...First round.............Lakers ....3-0
1988...First round ............Lakers ... 3-0
1995...Second round .......Spurs .....4-2
1999...Second round .......Spurs .....4-0
2001...Conference Final...Lakers.....4-0
2002...Second round .......Lakers.....4-1
2003...Second round .......Spurs .....4-2
2004...Second round........Lakers....4-2
2008...Conference Final.....Lakers....4-1

[Trainwreck2100]

Since 1982, the Lakers have faced the Spurs 10 times in the playoffs, winning eight times and holding a 35-18 overall edge in games. The Lakers are 4-0 against the Spurs in the conference final, winning 17 of the 15 games played.


Here's the Lakers-Spurs playoff series history:

1982...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-0
1983...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-2
1986...First round.............Lakers ....3-0
1988...First round ............Lakers ... 3-0
1995...Second round .......Spurs .....4-2
1999...Second round .......Spurs .....4-0
2001...Conference Final...Lakers.....4-0
2002...Second round .......Lakers.....4-1
2003...Second round .......Spurs .....4-2
2004...Second round........Lakers....4-2
2008...Conference Final.....Lakers....4-1

And the Pistons have beaten the Lakers just as many times as the Spurs

[ElNono]

Nope you can't talk shit about that either.

14 > 4.


Man it must kill you inside to know you simply cannot talk shit to Laker fan about anything.

Please, you weren't even in the bandwagon when they won their last one...
Call me back when THIS Lakers core wins anything...

I talk shit to Lakers fans for breakfast, especially those living in the past...
Maybe you guys should get Shaq back, considering Kobe can't lead them to a championship.

You can go back now to celebrate that 61 points in MSG trophy Kobe got last night. As usual, he's the man when it doesn't matter. Great leader you got there...

[Trainwreck2100]

Read the thread before you open your idiot mouth.

kindly point out where i say i hate the lakers

[ElNono]

Since 1982, the Lakers have faced the Spurs 10 times in the playoffs, winning eight times and holding a 35-18 overall edge in games. The Lakers are 4-0 against the Spurs in the conference final, winning 17 of the 15 games played.


Here's the Lakers-Spurs playoff series history:

1982...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-0
1983...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-2
1986...First round.............Lakers ....3-0
1988...First round ............Lakers ... 3-0
1995...Second round .......Spurs .....4-2
1999...Second round .......Spurs .....4-0
2001...Conference Final...Lakers.....4-0
2002...Second round .......Lakers.....4-1
2003...Second round .......Spurs .....4-2
2004...Second round........Lakers....4-2
2008...Conference Final.....Lakers....4-1

Sine Duncan joined the league the Spurs have won 4 championships, including 2 where they eliminated the Lakers. Lakers with Shaq have won 3. Lakers in their current incarnation have won zero.

[DrHouse]

Please, you weren't even in the bandwagon when they won their last one...
Call me back when THIS Lakers core wins anything...

I talk shit to Lakers fans for breakfast, especially those living in the past...
Maybe you guys should get Shaq back, considering Kobe can't lead them to a championship.

You can go back now to celebrate that 61 points in MSG trophy Kobe got last night. As usual, he's the man when it doesn't matter. Great leader you got there...

You're really grasping at straws here.

And nothing you say disputes the fact that 14 > 4 and the Lakers OWN the Spurs when it counts. Go ahead and take credit for what other teams did to the Lakers, it's what losers who have no leg to stand on do.

[ElNono]

You're really grasping at straws here.

And nothing you say disputes the fact that 14 > 4 and the Lakers OWN the Spurs when it counts. Go ahead and take credit for what other teams did to the Lakers, it's what losers who have no leg to stand on do.

You bring up Magic Johnson's Lakers and I'm grasping at straws? LOL
Just say you're scared. We know. It's ok.

[Trainwreck2100]

You're really grasping at straws here.

And nothing you say disputes the fact that 14 > 4 and the Lakers OWN the Spurs when it counts. Go ahead and take credit for what other teams did to the Lakers, it's what losers who have no leg to stand on do.

Nobody's taking credit of anything

[anakha]

Read the thread before you open your idiot mouth.

:lmao at you taking TW's obvious trolling of Laker fans and getting all righteously indignant over it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You're really grasping at straws here.

And nothing you say disputes the fact that 14 > 4 and the Lakers OWN the Spurs when it counts.

Unless you've lived in Minneapolis, 9 > 4 would be the better thing to say since the Lakers won 5 of the 14 championships in Minny, which it's safe to say weren't celebrated at all by LA fans.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's funny how the DrHouse is so argumentative and condescending that Spurs and Suns fans argue with him like they're from the same fan base.

[DrHouse]

Yes I'm so scared of the Big Bad Spurs......the team that had to rest their best 3 players because their too fucking old to play a b2b game :lmao

[21_Blessings]

Haha, Denver > SA at this point. About to win the season series.

[21_Blessings]

LAKERS HAVEN'T WON SHIT WITH KOBE THE CLOSER
.

Look how stupid you are. Kobe was the closer in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

[Trainwreck2100]

Look how stupid you are. Kobe was the closer in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

If that was the case why hasn't he done shit since?

[DrHouse]

Haha, Denver > SA at this point. About to win the season series.

The sad thing is they are throwing a game against the team that is nipping at their heels for that #2 spot. I get the feeling this won't even be the last time Popovich rests the Big 3 like this.

It's one thing to rest players in the last week or two of the regular season. But before the ASB? Damn you gotta have one old ass team to warrant that.

[DrHouse]

If that was the case why hasn't he done shit since?

What the fuck do you mean hasn't done shit? He's gotten to the Finals twice since then you stupid fuck.

Is it his fault Bynum and Malone went down? One player can't control other player's health.

Go worry about your own old ass fucking team that can't even play b2b games.

[21_Blessings]

If that was the case why hasn't he done shit since?

It was the case and it was obvious. Maybe you should learn to watch basketball?

Hasn't done shit? Went to the finals last season and is working on another trip.

[Trainwreck2100]

What the fuck do you mean hasn't done shit? He's gotten to the Finals twice since then you stupid fuck.

Is it his fault Bynum and Malone went down? One player can't control other player's health.

Go worry about your own old ass fucking team that can't even play b2b games.

working hard just to get second place still makes you a loser

[Trainwreck2100]

It was the case and it was obvious. Maybe you should learn to watch basketball?

Hasn't done shit? Went to the finals last season and is working on another trip.
look up cause i dont want to type it again

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Look how stupid you are. Kobe was the closer in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

he must have a finals MVP trophy to show for it then? Right?

[21_Blessings]

And San Antonio working hard just so they can get could get destroyed in the WCF makes them even bigger losers.


he must have a finals MVP trophy to show for it then? Right?

Are you really this stupid or were you still in diapers when the Lakers were winning titles?

[Trainwreck2100]

And San Antonio working hard just so they can get could get destroyed in the WCF makes them even bigger losers.

so you agree the lakers are losers

[DrHouse]

And San Antonio working hard just so they can get could get destroyed in the WCF makes them even bigger losers.

Exactly this little maggot tries to talk shit about the Lakers when his own team got trashed by the Lakers last season 4-1. Stupid fuck trying to take credit for what the Celtics and Pistons did.

[21_Blessings]

so you agree the lakers are losers

Lakers: 14 time champion losers

[DrHouse]

so you agree the lakers are losers

:lmao

Trainwreck fits you to a T. Why aren't you watching the Spurs game anyways? Oh that's right, because your geriatric team is getting blown out the fucking building.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao

Trainwreck fits you to a T. Why aren't you watching the Spurs game anyways? Oh that's right, because your geriatric team is getting blown out the fucking building.

its 8 points xcuse me 6 points its not like the game is over in the 4th you know like last years finals elimination game

[Trainwreck2100]

Lakers: 14 time champion losers

so you are saying they are not losers, after saying they were?

[DrHouse]

its 8 points xcuse me 6 points its not like the game is over in the 4th you know like last years finals elimination game

That would almost be as bad as the beat down the Lakers delivered the Spurs in the 2001 WCF (you know the one where the Spurs lost by an AVERAGE of 22.3 pts and made the record books for the MOST LOPSIDED WCF IN NBA HISTORY).

There you go again taking credit for things YOUR franchise DIDN'T do. Fucking loser.

[Trainwreck2100]

Why aren't you watching the Spurs game anyways? Oh that's right, because your geriatric team is getting blown out the fucking building.


its 8 points xcuse me 6 points its not like the game is over in the 4th you know like last years finals elimination game

now its four points see house when you have wireless you can hold on to your pants here watch the game and post at the same time. Its not like you who has to wait for his sister to get off her myspace before you can post.

[Trainwreck2100]

There you go again taking credit for things YOUR franchise DIDN'T do. Fucking loser.

WTF are you talking about who is taking credit for anything

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

In 2000, 2001, and 2002, Shaq averaged more points than Kobe all 3 seasons, won an MVP, and won 3 finals MVPs. It's no secret who the "closer" was on those teams.

[DrHouse]

now its four points see house when you have wireless you can hold on to your pants here watch the game and post at the same time. Its not like you who has to wait for his sister to get off her myspace before you can post.

:lmao

What's the score now?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Are you really this stupid or were you still in diapers when the Lakers were winning titles?

That doesn't answer my question. If Kobe was the best player on those 3 teams, why did he not win finals MVP or MVP once? Why did Shaq average more points in all 3 of those seasons?

[DrHouse]

In 2000, 2001, and 2002, Shaq averaged more points than Kobe all 3 seasons, won an MVP, and won 3 finals MVPs. It's no secret who the "closer" was on those teams.

That doesn't mean Shaq was the closer. Trust me, the ball was in Kobe's hands more often than it was in Shaq's when the game was on the line. And Kobe definitely delivered.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

That doesn't mean Shaq was the closer. Trust me, the ball was in Kobe's hands more often than it was in Shaq's when the game was on the line. And Kobe definitely delivered.

The only reason the game was on the line was because of what Shaq had been doing the entire game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Ginobili is more or less the "closer" on the Spurs, but Duncan is still far more important to them than Manu.

[DrHouse]

The only reason the game was on the line was because of what Shaq had been doing the entire game.

You realize nobody here takes your opinion seriously with a name like DuncanOwnsKobe? We know your biased.

[Trainwreck2100]

You realize nobody here takes your opinion seriously with a name like DuncanOwnsKobe? We know your biased.

Who is this we?

[21_Blessings]

That doesn't answer my question. If Kobe was the best player on those 3 teams, why did he not win finals MVP or MVP once? Why did Shaq average more points in all 3 of those seasons?

Are you dumb, serious question?

Kobe was the CLOSER, which is what I responding to. That is a fact.


The only reason the game was on the line was because of what Shaq had been doing the entire game.

Now you're embarrassing yourself. Kobe will go down as one of the top 10 greatest players ever. He was the closer, facilitator and best defender on a 3 peat team. What you just wrote pretty much spells out the fact you know nothing about how basketball actually works.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You realize nobody here takes your opinion seriously with a name like DuncanOwnsKobe? We know your biased.

Like your name is any better, that's the worst show on TV. It's Bill Bellichick as a doctor, not very entertaining.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Are you dumb, serious question?

Kobe was the CLOSER, which is what I responding to. That is a fact.



Now you're embarrassing yourself. Kobe will go down as one of the top 10 greatest players ever. He was the closer, facilitator and best defender on a 3 peat team. What you just wrote pretty much spells out the fact you know nothing about how basketball actually works.

I'm not denying he will be one of the top 10 best players ever......I'm saying he sure as hell wasn't the best player on those teams. Best defender? Yes. Closer? Maybe, but it's not like Shaq disappeared in the 4th quarter. Facilitator? That was Fisher/Ron Harper, the two most underrated players on the 3-peat Lakers.

I'm not saying Kobe is worthless, in fact I have no idea how this argument I was foolish enough to jump into even started, I'm saying he has yet to prove the ability to win a title as the best player on his team.

[ElNono]

Look how stupid you are. Kobe was the closer in 2000, 2001 and 2002.

You mean the Shaq's Lakers? When the Lakers used to win Championships?
All Kobe has to show since he rode Shaq's bandwagon are personal titles: NBA MVP, registered sex offender, MJ wannabe of the year, etc.

[cobbler]

I'm saying he has yet to prove the ability to win a title as the best player on his team.


Wow.... did you think of that all by yourself or copy the comment for the bizillion other posts saying the exact same thing?

BRILLIANT!!!!:lmao

[DrHouse]

Wow.... did you think of that all by yourself or copy the comment for the bizillion other posts saying the exact same thing?

BRILLIANT!!!!:lmao

What's funnier is they think Laker fans actually care. All Laker fans care about is RINGS. I don't give a fuck who got Finals MVP.

The only people who care are bitter Kobe haters who don't want to see him win.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The only people who care are bitter Kobe haters who don't want to see him win.

I'm actually not a Kobe hater anymore.....in fact I've been meaning to change my profile name because it is elementary to some extent.

The only thing I hate about Kobe is how much I hear about him, which Kobe cannot be faulted for. I'm willing to admit, that right now, he's league MVP.

[ElNono]

Kobe was the CLOSER, which is what I responding to. That is a fact.


Like the backdoor sweep fact? Or some other fact?



Now you're embarrassing yourself. Kobe will go down as one of the top 10 greatest players ever. He was the closer, facilitator and best defender on a 3 peat team. What you just wrote pretty much spells out the fact you know nothing about how basketball actually works.

He will go down as the 2nd best SG in the game. Kobe 'Number 2' Bryant. Second to MJ, second to Shaq, second to the Spurs, second to Detroit, second to Boston...

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm actually not a Kobe hater anymore.....in fact I've been meaning to change my profile name because it is elementary to some extent.

The only thing I hate about Kobe is how much I hear about him, which Kobe cannot be faulted for. I'm willing to admit, that right now, he's league MVP.

Well dude to some laker fans, every non-laker fan hates the lakers. When in actuality most people just hates the Laker fan.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well dude to almost every laker fan, every non-laker fan hates the lakers. When in actuality most people just hates the Laker fan.

That sums it up best right there. If I never had to hear Kobe MJ comparisons, I would probably be a Kobe fan......well maybe not, but I wouldn't scrap for reasons to hate on him.

[Bandwagon Spurs Fan]

The Spurs, minus the Big 3 and Finley, just put up 96 points on a physical Denver team, and held them to a respectable 104. The Lakers minus Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and Radmanovic would have never been able to accomplish such feats. For the Mason haters, guess what, he scored 26 along with dishing 6 assists and grabbing 5 boards.

Reality is, Spurs are just a better team than Kobe's one-and-done Lakers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well dude to some laker fans, every non-laker fan hates the lakers. When in actuality most people just hates the Laker fan.

usually it's the bandwagon fans that are obnoxious, same with any fan base. DrHouse and 21 retards started posting here after the Lakers beat the Spurs in the playoffs. Fans like Allanon and IronMexican seem like they've been posting here for years.

[cobbler]

The Spurs, minus the Big 3 and Finley, just put up 96 points on a physical Denver team, and held them to a respectable 104. The Lakers minus Kobe, Gasol, Odom, and Radmanovic would have never been able to accomplish such feats. For the Mason haters, guess what, he scored 26 along with dishing 6 assists and grabbing 5 boards.

Reality is, Spurs are just a better team than Kobe's one-and-done Lakers.

Quite possibly the dumbest post ever on SpursTalk. :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Quite possibly the dumbest post ever on SpursTalk. :lmao

You obviously don't read your own posts.

[cobbler]

You obviously don't read your own posts.

I certainly read your racist ones... Go away loser

[Trainwreck2100]

usually it's the bandwagon fans that are obnoxious, same with any fan base. DrHouse and 21 retards started posting here after the Lakers beat the Spurs in the playoffs. Fans like Allanon and IronMexican seem like they've been posting here for years.

Just reading some of the posts you can tell how old they are. There is no way in hell DrHouse is out of high school

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Just reading some of the posts you can tell how old they are. There is no way in hell DrHouse is out of high school

for sure......which is why it's even funnier that he tries to act like he's been a Laker fan for 20+ years.

[ElNono]

I certainly read your racist ones... Go away loser

Quite possibly the dumbest post ever on Spurstalk. :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I certainly read your racist ones... Go away loser

LOL, somehow DrHouse is allowed to talk shit about Phoenix but once I talk shit about LA I'm deemed racist. And if you don't like what I have to say, there's this thing called the ignore toggle, consider using it cause I'm not going anywhere.

[cobbler]

Quite possibly the dumbest post ever on Spurstalk. :lmao

BRILLIANT!!!!!

Get your own material!:lol

[Trainwreck2100]

LOL, somehow DrHouse is allowed to talk shit about Phoenix but once I talk shit about LA I'm deemed racist. And if you don't like what I have to say, there's this thing called the ignore toggle, consider using it cause I'm not going anywhere.

Yeah but ignore is for fags

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yeah but ignore is for fags

That's why Cobbler should consider using it.

[Bandwagon Lakers Fan]

for sure......which is why it's even funnier that he tries to act like he's been a Laker fan for 20+ years.

Damn, you caught me.

BUT THE LAKERS HAVE 16 RINGS!!11111111111

[cobbler]

LOL, somehow DrHouse is allowed to talk shit about Phoenix but once I talk shit about LA I'm deemed racist. And if you don't like what I have to say, there's this thing called the ignore toggle, consider using it cause I'm not going anywhere.

First off... I am not DrHouse. 2nd... on multiple occasions you have thrown out the Compton dig as a reply to my posts... not DrHouse's. Each time I have asked you to explain what you mean... and each time you have crawled under your rock and refused.

Go figure!

[cobbler]

Yeah but ignore is for fags


That's why Cobbler should consider using it.

This coming from someone who just posted about anothers maturity level.

CLASSIC!!!!

[Trainwreck2100]

First off... I am not DrHouse. 2nd... on multiple occasions you have thrown out the Compton dig as a reply to my posts... not DrHouse's. Each time I have asked you to explain what you mean... and each time you have crawled under your rock and refused.

Go figure!

Is you straight outta compton homie, be you dizzenfranchisied bout how the cracas of the world hold you down? Throw up dem dubyous

[Trainwreck2100]

WESTSAYEED
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[Trainwreck2100]

FUCK THA POLlCE!!!!!!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

fuck Tupac, Biggie is Da shit!!!! I go eastsayeed on yo bitchass son.

[Trainwreck2100]

fuck Tupac, Biggie is Da shit!!!! I go eastsayeed on yo bitchass son.

Tupac was wrong about the whole "Black President" thing

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Damn, you caught me.

BUT THE LAKERS HAVE 16 RINGS!!11111111111

:lmao

[kcplayboi_26]

lol wow, just embarrassing

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol wow, just embarrassing

that wasn't him this time, but awhile ago DrHouse did actually say the Lakers had 16 rings.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao

thats not him its a troll, well he is a troll but thats still not him

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Is you straight outta compton homie, be you dizzenfranchisied bout how the cracas of the world hold you down? Throw up dem dubyous

yeah fo real son all dem cracka ass muthafuckas be oppressin us compton thugs.

[DrHouse]

lol wow, just embarrassing

I know, I stopped posting just to see how far they'd troll.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

thats not him its a troll, well he is a troll but thats still not him

I know, who do you think I changed the name?

[DrHouse]

yeah fo real son all dem cracka ass muthafuckas be oppressin us compton thugs.

You are so white.

[Trainwreck2100]

http://images.blackheartgoldpants.com/images/admin/PurpleDrank.jpg

speech is slurred

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You are so white.

Never said I wasn't. Seeing that you watch DrHouse my guess is you are as well.

[Trainwreck2100]

I was really surprised that Findog was white, he struck me as an asian

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I was really surprised that Findog was white, he struck me as an asian

After that story Findog posted about weed how could you think he was Asian?


PS - never play pickup basketball with Asians......it's annoying as fuck. They watch too much Allen Iverson and take 3 steps in between each dribble.

[Trainwreck2100]

After that story Findog posted about weed how could you think he was Asian?


PS - never play pickup basketball with Asians......it's annoying as fuck. They watch too much Allen Iverson and take 3 steps in between each dribble.

The key is to split them up, they only play well with their buddys on their team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The key is to split them up, they only play well with their buddys on their team.

Unfortunately the rec center I play at that can't work since everyone already has chosen their team already.

I almost got in a fight with one yesterday because I blocked his shot and he called foul when it was a full blown leather sandwich. On his next shot, I pulled a Bynum and got him right in the ribs, and then said, "How's that for a foul?"

Hopefully if I did get in a fight the guy wasn't some crazy black belt crouching tiger hidden dragon dude.