Chandler to OKC - Stick a fork in the Hornets

[Shank]

For expiring contracts - Smith and Wilcox.

Sweet move, Shinn. Thank you.

[sribb43]

Love the hornets frontcourt of Marks, Smith, Wlicox, Bowen, Armstrong and West

[Findog]

Wow, the Hornets can't stay above water in this economy even with a good team. Guess I was right about the long-term viability of New Orleans after all.

[Findog]

Watch Chandler go back to sucking now that he doesn't have Paul to throw him lobs off the p'n'r.

[tlongII]

Unbeavable. They should move the Hornets franchise to Seattle.

[Findog]

unbeavable. They should move the hornets franchise to seattle.

+1

[tlongII]

Sam Presti is doing a helluva job putting together OKC's club though.

[Shank]

I think it all goes back to Bush not caring about black people.

[Findog]

Sam Presti is doing a helluva job putting together OKC's club though.

He is, but I'm curious if Chandler will revert back to the scrub he was in Chicago. I like Westbrook, but he's not Chris Paul.

[layupdrill]

Chandler was gonna get moved...surprised they couldnt get more

[tlongII]

He is, but I'm curious if Chandler will revert back to the scrub he was in Chicago. I like Westbrook, but he's not Chris Paul.

That's true, but he's better than Wilcox.

[Findog]

Tough day to be a Hornets fan though - it's gotta suck knowing your franchise has to sell off players, even when the team is good in this economy.

[Findog]

That's true, but he's better than Wilcox.

The SloppySeconds are shaping up to be a pretty interesting little team.

[BlackSwordsMan]

one less team in the west to worry about!

[IronMexican]

Sucks ass for NOH. Now we officially know They are renting Cp3 for the next 3 years.

[lil_penny]

Unbeavable. They should move the Hornets franchise to Seattle.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Sons, he will enjoy play in redneck gym :rolleyes

[Twisted_Dawg]

Sons, I can't wait for BRHornets rant.

[sribb43]

once again the Mavs were eliminated in the playoffs by another fluke team....first GSW now NOH

[degenerate_gambler]

Wow, the Hornets can't stay above water in this economy even with a good team. Guess I was right about the long-term viability of New Orleans after all.


if you said that, then you called it..

hurricane or not, n.o was and is a cesspool.

seattle has an opening..

[slowchild25]

Getting none of the 8,000 first round picks the Thunder has in this deal is mind boggling. Fucking bunch of amatuers :bang

Hey let's sell off our 1st round pick for $3 million dollars because we are "contenders" and can't afford to develop a younger player at this time.

Let's go buy James Posey because we are "contenders" now and we need big game experience.

Hey after 50 games let's scratch all that and trade our only 7 footer for a box of popcorn and toilet tissue. :bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

Fuck Bower!

[slowchild25]

Tough day to be a Hornets fan though - it's gotta suck knowing your franchise has to sell off players, even when the team is good in this economy.

This part of your comment makes no sense. Half the teams in this league are struggling in "this economy". It's no coincidence that Raef Lafrentz's expiring contract is a hotter trading commodity than Amare Stoudamire.

[scanry]

Getting none of the 8,000 first round picks the Thunder has in this deal is mind boggling. Fucking bunch of amatuers :bang

He let's sell off our 1st round pick for $3 million dollars because we are "contenders" and can't afford to develop a younger player at this time.

Let's go buy James Posey because we are "contenders" now and we need big game experience.

Hey after 50 games let's scratch all that and trade our only 7 footer for a box of popcorn and toilet tissue. :bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

Fuck Bower!

A very bad trade for NO and i'm pretty sure Chris Paul is pissed.

I think he's going to demand a trade very soon. BTW Byron Scott could replace Phil Jackson very soon, and it could be as early as next season.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Watch Chandler go back to sucking now that he doesn't have Paul to throw him lobs off the p'n'r.

I couldn't agree more. OKC must be considering Jennings in June because Chandler needs a great passer on offense and needs to be involved on offense to play defense. Basically he needs PG to have any use at all.

[slowchild25]

Blah. Fuck this. Hornets give up on the season. The Saints cut Duece. I'm going to go get drunk listen to some old Smiths/Morrissey records and cut myself in the dark. Fucking shit.

[LockBeard]

Spurs outlast another franchise.

[Findog]

Half the teams in this league are struggling in "this economy".

And the Hornets are one of them. How is that hard to understand?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Hey let's sell off our 1st round pick for $3 million dollars because we are "contenders" and can't afford to develop a younger player at this time.


I know the owner/GM might say that, but it's bullshit when they do. Sarver has said that too many times to count.

[slowchild25]

And the Hornets are one of them. How is that hard to understand?

I'm just saying you said it must suck to be a Hornets fan because they can't make it "in this economy" and the truth is a majority of the NBA teams can't "make it" "in this economy".

When in reality no it sucks to be a Hornets fan because the Owner/GM have no plan and no fucking clue on how to come up with one. :bang

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I'm just saying you said it must suck to be a Hornets fan because they can't make it "in this economy" and the truth is a majority of the NBA teams can't "make it" "in this economy".

When in reality no it sucks to be a Hornets fan because the Owner/GM have no plan and no fucking clue on how to come up with one. :bang

HEY, welcome to my world!!!!

[slowchild25]

HEY, welcome to my world!!!!

Exactly! Skin flint tight ass owner and a GM who's "master plan" changes every 4 months. At least I can take comfort in the fact when we sell off our picks they only end up being players that are stupid enough to smoke weed at a rookie seminar and don't become Loul Deng, Sergio Rodriguez or Rajon Rondo. :lol




Sorry about that you didn't deserve to have more salt rubbed in your gapping wounds. :toast

[turiaf for president]

i wanna see skip on first take's reaction. he said hornets and spurs were better than the lakers this year and said it again today before this trade happened

[dirk4mvp]

lmao hornets

[IronMexican]

You know what's weird? Every time I see SpursDynasty right something down, I imagine that it's Skip Bayless typing.

[Dex]

*is personally relieved he will never have to see another Paul to Chandler oop over the entire Spurs team*

[SpursDynasty]

Wow. I knew the Hornets were disappointed with a 30-20 start, but to trade their only 7 footer? Tyson Chicken wasn't a 20/10 player or anything, but a 7 footer on the floor does make a difference. The Hornets won't get out of the first round now.

[ploto]

I keep thinking they must have another trade lined up for a big man with a cheap or expiring deal.

[turiaf for president]

You know what's weird? Every time I see SpursDynasty right something down, I imagine that it's Skip Bayless typing.

:lmao

soo true. skip LOVEs the spurs and likes the hornets

[turiaf for president]

I keep thinking they must have another trade lined up for a big man with a cheap or expiring deal.

they have no one with trade value now. no one wants peja, paul and west are untouchable, posey nutt hugging has died down, and only one of some value is butler or peterson and they are minimal as well

[ManuTP9]

Blah. Fuck this. Hornets give up on the season. The Saints cut Duece. I'm going to go get drunk listen to some old Smiths/Morrissey records and cut myself in the dark. Fucking shit.

:lol

[mattb_25]

It's a great day to be a Thunder fan lol. I'm not sure if tyson chandler was with the hornets or not when they were in OKC but he'll be fine here. And it doesn't hurt either that they didn't even get a first rounder from the thunder for him either.

I wonder if westbrook can be imitate the wonderful lob passes that paul did.. Probably not.

[IronMexican]

I mean Skip Bayless loves the Spurs, hates LeBron, hates the Lakers, likes the Hornets. I need to find out if SD has a hard on for Brett Favre then I would know for sure.

[turiaf for president]

It wasnt like they were a contender anyway.

come on man. dont spill the can of beans here. you KNOW coming in this year the hornets with the addition of posey were contenders

[jack sommerset]

Spurs outlast another franchise.

New Orleans should have learned from the Spews. As soon as the injuries started to happen this season sit the whole team and go for the number one pick. Foolish Hornets.

[BUMP]

Wilcox and Smith are no scrubs though

[cjjr72984]

Wilcox and Smith are no scrubs though

Exactly....especially Wilcox.

People are so quick to judge before the players take the court with their new teams.

Wilcox is still young, and will probably benefit from having CP and DWest clearing up space for him. This was a trade the Hornets had to make since Tyson's cap hit next year would've made the Hornets pay the luxury tax with CP's 13mil kicking in.

Another thing I'm interested to see is Hilton Armstrong's development. At least he'll finally get more minutes to become a better center.

[scanry]

New Orleans should have learned from the Spews. As soon as the injuries started to happen this season sit the whole team and go for the number one pick. Foolish Hornets.

I think Houston should do it more often with all their injuries and all.

BTW when was the last time you guys got past the first round?

[mogrovejo]

I'm just saying you said it must suck to be a Hornets fan because they can't make it "in this economy" and the truth is a majority of the NBA teams can't "make it" "in this economy".

When in reality no it sucks to be a Hornets fan because the Owner/GM have no plan and no fucking clue on how to come up with one. :bang

A fair bunch of NBA teams have been losing money for years. The difference is mostly in the owners: they used to be millionaires with plenty of liquidity available to inject, nowadays they're cash-strapped and they can't afford to lose even more money. How many months with a positive operating income had the Hornets had since Shinn created them like 15 years ago? Not a lot. He's been trying to sell shares of the team to reduce debt since he moved to New Orleans.

Anyway, Chandler has been horrific this season, he's one of the reasons why the Hornets are under-performing. If he doesn't improve his defence and rebounding, OKC will be overpaying.

[slowchild25]

A fair bunch of NBA teams have been losing money for years. The difference is mostly in the owners: they used to be millionaires with plenty of liquidity available to inject, nowadays they're cash-strapped and they can't afford to lose even more money. How many months with a positive operating income had the Hornets had since Shinn created them like 15 years ago? Not a lot. He's been trying to sell shares of the team to reduce debt since he moved to New Orleans.

I agree. It also doesn't help that there are questions if the state of Louisiana can come up with the yearly payments that they pay to the Hornets and Saints.


Anyway, Chandler has been horrific this season, he's one of the reasons why the Hornets are under-performing. If he doesn't improve his defence and rebounding, OKC will be overpaying.

Actually that's the thing that the Hornets will miss the most. Without him they go from being Charmine soft to fucking wet Kleenex soft. :bang

[Pelicans78]

I'm glad Deuce was released. Pierre Thomas deserves the starting job and the Saints are over the cap anyway. We need to rebuild our defense, not keep guys past their prime.

I'm kinda disappointed about trading Chandler since I wanted West gone, but we needed to make this trade. I think we will get more production from Wilcox/Armstrong/Smith combined than with Chandler. We're still better than teams like the Mavs, Rockets, etc. Chandler wasn't playing well this season and he's been injured as well. Peja's salary killed us. We couldn't trade him so we had to trade Chandler.

[IronMexican]

The Saints had back to back years of being Super Bowl picks, and not even making the playoffs. I wonder if they will ever get the D to make it to the Super Bowl.

[slowchild25]

I'm glad Deuce was released. Pierre Thomas deserves the starting job and the Saints are over the cap anyway. We need to rebuild our defense, not keep guys past their prime.

I'm kinda disappointed about trading Chandler since I wanted West gone, but we needed to make this trade. I think we will get more production from Wilcox/Armstrong/Smith combined than with Chandler. We're still better than teams like the Mavs, Rockets, etc. Chandler wasn't playing well this season and he's been injured as well. Peja's salary killed us. We couldn't trade him so we had to trade Chandler.

I agree it was Duece's time to go but it still doesn't make it any less depressing. As for Peja I was saying that in the off season when his "value" would have been at it's peak it was time to trade him on one of the Hornets boards and everyone had a heart attack and said I was out of my mind, and we should keep the "chemistry" that we have now. Well that worked out great. :wow


The Saints had back to back years of being Super Bowl picks, and not even making the playoffs. I wonder if they will ever get the D to make it to the Super Bowl.

New Defensive Cord. this year :crossesfingersandwaitsforinevitableletdown:

[DPG21920]

Why not trade West instead?

[mogrovejo]

Actually that's the thing that the Hornets will miss the most. Without him they go from being Charmine soft to fucking wet Kleenex soft. :bang

He wasn't playing elite defence this season. In fact, the Hornets have been a better defensive team with Chandler off the floor. I think he'll recover his mojo, but only next season.

[slowchild25]

Why not trade West instead?

Because in comparison to Chandler, West's contract is actually a pretty good deal for the Hornets.

[Pelicans78]

The Saints had back to back years of being Super Bowl picks, and not even making the playoffs. I wonder if they will ever get the D to make it to the Super Bowl.

I really don't know. Our two high-priced DEs have been non-existent the last two seasons meaning we get no pass rush whatsoever. Also, our safeties can't make any big plays. We only have 4 picks this season due to making a terrible trade for Shockey who we really don't need. Also, our best player defensively, Vilma, is a free agent.

There is hope with our new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, last year's first round pick DT Sedrick Ellis, and solid young CBs, but we need to rush the passer and get better play from our LBs and safeties. I believe our offense is the best in the league. We were first in yards and points scored. We have a superstar QB, good RBs, WRs, and a really good o-line. We just need to fix our defense.

[BRHornet45]

sons this has to be a bad dream.

[Killakobe81]

I knew letting Pargo go would kill their chances. I actually like this trade they just made. Both Wilcox, and Smith are better than Tyson. Tyson is a scrub, and yet the Hornets are still not contenders.

I wont say chandler is a scrub but this is his 3rd TEAM since he was drafted he is not THAT good ...
Wilcox is underrated and a Laker killer ...Joe Smith solid but dont see how he will mesh with West because Joe smith is just an older version of him ..

[slowchild25]

He wasn't playing elite defence this season. In fact, the Hornets have been a better defensive team with Chandler off the floor. I think he'll recover his mojo, but only next season.

Where do you see this at? I watched the games and when Chandler was out the interior D sucked. Also it limits how much gambling Paul can do now trying to get steals knowing that there is not a 7 foot eraser behind him to block/alter numerous shots.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I knew letting Pargo go would kill their chances. I actually like this trade they just made. Both Wilcox, and Smith are better than Tyson. Tyson is a scrub, and yet the Hornets are still not contenders.

Letting Pargo go was fine.....Pargo was overrated anyway.

The Paul-West pick and roll being the only way for them to score in the half court was why they weren't contenders.

[Pelicans78]

[quote=slowchild25;3117856]I agree it was Duece's time to go but it still doesn't make it any less depressing. As for Peja I was saying that in the off season when his "value" would have been at it's peak it was time to trade him on one of the Hornets boards and everyone had a heart attack and said I was out of my mind, and we should keep the "chemistry" that we have now. Well that worked out great. :wow


I agree. I just watched his press conference. Pretty depressing since he was a true professional his whole career. I was raised in Mississippi so I remember his days at Ole Miss as well. It's sinking in that his career as a Saint is over. Pretty sad thinking about it. I wish him the best in life. DEEUUUUUUCEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sribb43]

I wish they would trade CP3 already so i dont have to listen to Ric Flair anymore everytime he scores

[Pelicans78]

I wish they would trade CP3 already so i dont have to listen to Ric Flair anymore everytime he scores

If you guys could defend him, you wouldn't have to hear it over and over :downspin:

[Bob Lanier]

Exactly....especially Wilcox.
Wilcox is a decent offensive player who doesn't rebound or play defense.

I don't see how that's what the Hornets need.

[Lars]

Hornets are gonna be so exploited in the playoffs it will be laughable.

[21_Blessings]

1st round exit.

What a fucking trade for OKC. A young athletic big that can defend and rebound is exactly what they needed. They'll be better than Portland in a few years.

[slowchild25]

Hornets are gonna be so exploited in the playoffs it will be laughable.

Your allowed to talk shit when you find your way out of the first round again.

And don't bring that shit about "2 rings bitches" because 1) your posting on a site where a team has won 4 since then 2) The guy that led you to said titles hasn't played for your team in 8 years.

[dirk4mvp]

lmao hornets

not that ever got started, but they're done.

[mogrovejo]

Where do you see this at? I watched the games and when Chandler was out the interior D sucked. Also it limits how much gambling Paul can do now trying to get steals knowing that there is not a 7 foot eraser behind him to block/alter numerous shots.

I disagree. When I watched the games I saw Chandler playing as a fairly ordinary defender, far from the level he used to be at. His screen/roll defence was particularly bad, but even at the blocks people were forcing him to take retreat steps more than usual. Probably a consequence of the injuries, but still... Stats also show the Hornets allowing more points per possession when Chandler was on the court, but I don't think that's meaningful.

In all honesty, I believe this trade may very well make the Hornets better this season, especially considering Chandler's injury. Now, for the future, that's another story...

[slowchild25]

I disagree. When I watched the games I saw Chandler playing as a fairly ordinary defender, far from the level he used to be at. His screen/roll defence was particularly bad, but even at the blocks people were forcing him to take retreat steps more than usual. Probably a consequence of the injuries, but still... Stats also show the Hornets allowing more points per possession when Chandler was on the court, but I don't think that's meaningful.

In all honesty, I believe this trade may very well make the Hornets better this season, especially considering Chandler's injury. Now, for the future, that's another story...

If the Hornets had gotten 1 of the 5 1st rounders the Thunder have I wouldn't feel as bad about this trade. But some how Bower managed towhiff on that and pretty much got his ass handed to him in this trade.