OLD: Manu Ginobili might be out for the season

[DarrinS]

Well, are you happy now Darrin? Bears. Now all our lives are in danger.


You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.

[Spurminator]

I'm not 100% sold that this means we need to trade Hill and Mason for Carter. Are we really any more assured of Championship contention with Jacque Vaughn getting significant minutes?

I think Horry may be the key now.

[dirk4mvp]

Fuck Jason Terry.


And now your second best player is out for the year.

[EricB]

Well, are you happy now Darrin? Bears. Now all our lives are in danger.


:lmao

Anchorman references are always money.

60% of the time, they work everytime....

[spursfan09]

Fuck Jason Terry.

[DarrinS]

You're a real hooker and I'm going to slap you in public.


You are a smelly pirate hooker.

Why don't you go back to your home on Whore Island?

[Shastafarian]

And now your second best player is out for the year.

He is? Who are your sources? Oh right you're just speculating. Thanks Mavs fan

[dirk4mvp]

You keeping that, and he'll never play again.

[Bruno]

Oden blew his knee by getting off a couch, it's possible that Manu had a severe injury during the all star break by doing some basketball drills.

I don't think a single second that it's a CIA move and that Manu isn't injured. It's way too tricky, even for Pop.

[xtremesteven33]

Im gonna punch you in the ovary

[Buddy Holly]

If the Spurs wanted to keep his injury quiet, good going LJ!

[Shastafarian]

Anchorman jokes are old and unfunny.

[dirk4mvp]

He is? Who are your sources? Oh right you're just speculating. Thanks Mavs fan


Church of Manu.

[Buddy Holly]

:lmao

Anchorman references are always money.

60% of the time, they work everytime....

Milk was a bad choice.

[Ice009]

Maybe the Spurs are telling the Nets Carter isn't enough to put us over the top if Manu is out for a bit so we're not giving up both Hill and Mason?

[tomtom]

News 4 WOAI has confirmed that Manu Ginobili will not join the Spurs on their current road trip. (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Manu-out-Injury-could-be-serious/nRSyADE59ka7atBSUQEnGQ.cspx)

[MateoNeygro]

This is what you get for smiling and cracking open a beer when JET went down.

Ooooh yah because the Mavs were a real big worry of ours. Please.:lol

[Summers]

I don't follow Manu's forum too closely but isn't it weird he hasn't said anything? Usually they'll be something from him somewhere talking about the injury. Manu being quiet adds to the mystery.

I wanted to agree with something you and a couple others mentioned about the guys looking out of it last night. I mentioned it to my husband and another poster here. I know a couple people have said that's nonsense, but when you watch these guys as much as some of us do, you notice things like that. The team looked drugged last night. They either told Tim and Tony that something's really wrong with Manu or they told them they're trading him. WEirdness, whatever it is.

[Bartleby]

Being serious here, if the Spurs wanted to kick his injury quiet, ST didn't help them in that regard.

It sounds like the cat was already out of the bag.

[ElNono]

I don't follow Manu's forum too closely but isn't it weird he hasn't said anything? Usually they'll be something from him somewhere talking about the injury. Manu being quiet adds to the mystery.

Yes. I'm still not going to contact a mutual friend from Argentina to ask, because Manu always has no problems talking publicly about these things. The other theory is that they're waiting for test results, and don't want to talk until then.

[EricB]

Maybe the Spurs are telling the Nets Carter isn't enough to put us over the top if Manu is out so we're not giving up both Hill and Mason?


"Then why trade for him at all then?"- New Jersey

[timvp]

Being serious here, if the Spurs wanted to kick his injury quiet, ST didn't help them in that regard.Other teams had already started speculating. We kept it quiet yesterday but once the other teams saw the smoke, we felt it was right to let Spurs fans know what was up.

If other teams wouldn't have found out, we'd still be sitting on it to help the Spurs keep the secret.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm not 100% sold that this means we need to trade Hill and Mason for Carter. Are we really any more assured of Championship contention with Jacque Vaughn getting significant minutes?

I think Horry may be the key now.

I think you make the Carter move (if possible) now because that at least gives you a colorable chance to stay in the Top 4 in the conference and reason to hope for the one break you might need to get out of the conference during the playoffs. Without Manu, neither of those things happen; with Carter but without Manu they at least remain possible.

I wouldn't normally think there would be any urgency to maintaining that flickering light at the end of the tunnel, but as the end nears for Tim, the justification for doing whatever it takes to give yourself a chance would seem to grow.

[MateoNeygro]

:lmao

Anchorman references are always money.

60% of the time, they work everytime....

It's made with real bits of panther. That's how you know it's good.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Why Mavs Fans are bringing up Low Blow, I don't know.

Didn't rejoice with Low Blow's injury either.

Doubt many here rejoiced with Low blow's injury.


So, kind of ridiculous to post that here and now !

[EricB]

Milk was a bad choice.


I killed a man with a trident.

[xtremesteven33]

yea i was telling a friend that the Spurs body language didnt look good last night. They looked like something bad just happened.

[tomtom]

If its season ending, I say we stand pat let Hill and Mason develop more, and make a strong run next year with Gist, Hairston, hopefully Mahinmi, and hopefully a FA.

[EricB]

Shocking,

Lakerfan comes in and acts like a jackass.

Didn't see that coming :rolleyes

[MateoNeygro]

Anchorman jokes are old and unfunny.

You bite your tongue. Will Ferrel is a saint.

[Chomag]

How mad would everyone be if they found out that this is just a smoke screen and NJ has asked to keep Manu out for a trade for VC? Would you be happy that it was just for a trade and he is not really hurt?

[admiralfats]

if he's hurt for good, i hope tim duncan breaks wilt chamberlain's record of 100 points in one game for the next 4 months straight, or however long they're going to play basketball until manu ginobili comes back.

[Bartleby]

If its season ending, I say we stand pat let Hill and Mason develop more, and make a strong run next year with Gist, Hairston, hopefully Mahinmi, and hopefully a FA.

But if it's more than season ending and/or Manu goes down again next season (God forbid), the Spurs will need a third impact player to fill the void left by Manu's absence. That's where having Carter would make lots of sense.

[coyotes_geek]

If its season ending, I say we stand pat let Hill and Mason develop more, and make a strong run next year with Gist, Hairston, hopefully Mahinmi, and hopefully a FA.

I still think you have to consider a deal for Carter, if there's one to be made, but outside of that I agree. Stand pat, give it your best the rest of the way, and re-assess everything in the offseason.

[timvp]

Please move the "this is what Spurs fans get for being happy that _______ got injured" talk to another thread.

Thanks.

[Buddy Holly]

News 4 WOAI has confirmed that Manu Ginobili will not join the Spurs on their current road trip. (http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Manu-out-Injury-could-be-serious/nRSyADE59ka7atBSUQEnGQ.cspx)

So Don reads the forum.

[alchemist]

very troubling. what are the alternatives?

[The Truth #6]

The only way I can see this being CIA is that Pop wants to scare off other teams from Manu, and by saying he's damaged goods then other teams won't be as likely to demand him in the trade.

Obviously, that would hurt our bargaining power as far as what we can get.

This theory would be a real stretch but at this point everything is a mystery. The day before the draft the FO did that weird email to every team saying they wanted to trade their pick. The FO seems to pull some crazy tricks from time to time that seem to be intended to mislead and confuse.

Even if we don't make a trade, I'm not sure we'll ever get a straight answer about this until later when it's randomly dropped into a Harvey column.

That Manu somehow severely aggravated his ankle while on All Star Break seems ludicrous on its face, especially when his comments were about lifting weights, getting treatment, and trying to relax during the break. It could be possible that he injured it, just not likely in my opinion.

Hopefully by Friday some confirmed reports will shed some light on all of this. Anything is possible at this point.

[Jayem2]

If its season ending, I say we stand pat let Hill and Mason develop more, and make a strong run next year with Gist, Hairston, hopefully Mahinmi, and hopefully a FA.or we can trade for vince AND win now!

[quentin_compson]

How mad would everyone be if they found out that this is just a smoke screen and NJ has asked to keep Manu out for a trade for VC? Would you be happy that it was just for a trade and he is not really hurt?

While I seriously hope the FO don't plan on trading Manu, him being healthy is much more important. Let's quote Robert Horry: "It's only a game".

[Bruno]

Yes. I'm still not going to contact a mutual friend from Argentina to ask, because Manu always has no problems talking publicly about these things. The other theory is that they're waiting for test results, and don't want to talk until then.

If Manu's injury is ankle related, it's possible that he flew to L.A. to see the doctor that repaired his ankle last summer.

[TheTruth]

:td

get well soon Manu.

[kjhip1]

I think everyone is getting too worried about this...Until something official comes out about the injury we are just guessing...Even with a down Ginobili Spurs are still in good shape for the SouthWest Division title...At least some kind of homecourt in the playoffs...I mean we do have the Best big man in the game...I believe Duncan is his name...The road will be tougher but, havent the Spurs always been against the odds?

[spurastic]

I'm sure that the delay is that they don't know the findings of the medical tests yet. But the 'half empty glass' side of me, thinks that the business side is concerned about ticket sales when the report is released.

Get well Manu!!!

[EricB]

I'm sure that the delay is that they don't know the findings of the medical tests yet. But the 'half empty glass' side of me, thinks that the business side is concerned about ticket sales when the report is released.

Get well Manu!!!


Nah, I don't think the Spurs operate in that sense.

[Mavs<Spurs]

The only way I can see this being CIA is that Pop wants to scare off other teams from Manu, and by saying he's damaged goods then other teams won't be as likely to demand him in the trade.

Obviously, that would hurt our bargaining power as far as what we can get.

This theory would be a real stretch but at this point everything is a mystery. The day before the draft the FO did that weird email to every team saying they wanted to trade their pick. The FO seems to pull some crazy tricks from time to time that seem to be intended to mislead and confuse.

Even if we don't make a trade, I'm not sure we'll ever get a straight answer about this until later when it's randomly dropped into a Harvey column.

That Manu somehow severely aggravated his ankle while on All Star Break seems ludicrous on its face, especially when his comments were about lifting weights, getting treatment, and trying to relax during the break. It could be possible that he injured it, just not likely in my opinion.

Hopefully by Friday some confirmed reports will shed some light on all of this. Anything is possible at this point.


Difficult to make any sense out of this.

Played well in Toronto. Didn't seem injured. Didn't play any games after that. So, no possibility of injury in games after Toronto.
Won't join Spurs on road trip.
And reliable sources seeming to indicate that Manu may possibly have a season-ending injury.
And silence from Manu and the Spurs on Manu's status.

Doesn't make any sense. Hard to reconcile all of these statements.

[coyotes_geek]

or we can trade for vince AND win now!

Do we know whether or not we can still trade for Vince? It's debatable at best whether or not the Spurs offer was the best on the table before we knew Manu got hurt. Now that the Nets know Manu's definitely hurt I'm pretty sure they'd try to up the price.

[Xylus]

This might not have happened if Manu believed in God...

:stirpot:

[Xylus]

Is it too soon to joke?

[EricB]

Difficult to make any sense out of this.

Played well in Toronto. Didn't seem injured. Didn't play any games after that. So, no possibility of injury in games after Toronto.
Won't join Spurs on road trip.
And reliable sources seeming to indicate that Manu may possibly have a season-ending injury.
And silence from Manu and the Spurs on Manu's status.

Doesn't make any sense. Hard to reconcile all of these statements.


Yeah its a headscratcher.

[Bartleby]

Difficult to make any sense out of this.

Played well in Toronto. Didn't seem injured. Didn't play any games after that. So, no possibility of injury in games after Toronto.
Won't join Spurs on road trip.
And reliable sources seeming to indicate that Manu may possibly have a season-ending injury.
And silence from Manu and the Spurs on Manu's status.

Doesn't make any sense. Hard to reconcile all of these statements.

All right before the trade deadline . . .

:meeting:

[braeden0613]

Is it too soon to joke?
Nothing definitive has even happened yet

[temujin]

Is it too soon to joke?

Yes.

Wait untill it's clear that's not a serious matter.

[Duncan2177]

Man this shit is getting weirder by the hour. WTF is up? :bang

[Joe Schmoogins]

I had a dream about losing Manu last night... I hate foreseeing the future sometimes.

[vander]

are you allowed to trade injured players in the NBA?

[tmtcsc]

:depressed

We first got wind yesterday. Today, two more sources told us the same thing. A fourth source insists that he's just resting and nothing serious has been officially diagnosed.

But the bad news is that the most connected source is in the first group.

Pray, Spurs fans.

Pray.

:(

Please tell me your 2 sources are Jeff McDonald and his imaginary friend.

[temujin]

are you allowed to trade injured players in the NBA?

Not as much as you are allowed to trade (mentally)-injured posters.

[coyotes_geek]

Difficult to make any sense out of this.

Played well in Toronto. Didn't seem injured. Didn't play any games after that. So, no possibility of injury in games after Toronto.
Won't join Spurs on road trip.
And reliable sources seeming to indicate that Manu may possibly have a season-ending injury.
And silence from Manu and the Spurs on Manu's status.

Doesn't make any sense. Hard to reconcile all of these statements.

I can only think of two things.

1. He did something non-basketball related to hurt himself within the last couple of days.
2. Whatever it is has been bugging him for a while and someone reached the decision that he would only do more harm to himself if he tried to keep playing on it.

[kjhip1]

I haven't been this let down since Uwe Blab turned me down for an autograph...

[DPG21920]

Did Manu practice the last practice before the NY game?

[tav1]

My theory: this allows the Spurs to say, "We can't give up both Mason and Hill when we might be down Manu..."

[EricB]

I haven't been this let down since Uwe Blab turned me down for an autograph...

Substitute Uve with Matt Othick and you know how I feel now.

[Evil Angel]

My theory: this allows the Spurs to say, "We can't give up both Mason and Hill when we might be down Manu..."
Hear that!

[coyotes_geek]

My theory: this allows the Spurs to say, "We can't give up both Mason and Hill when we might be down Manu..."

I really hope you're right, but the Spurs could have just as easily said "that's too much to give up".

[MateoNeygro]

The only way I can see this being CIA is that Pop wants to scare off other teams from Manu, and by saying he's damaged goods then other teams won't be as likely to demand him in the trade.

Obviously, that would hurt our bargaining power as far as what we can get.

This theory would be a real stretch but at this point everything is a mystery. The day before the draft the FO did that weird email to every team saying they wanted to trade their pick. The FO seems to pull some crazy tricks from time to time that seem to be intended to mislead and confuse.

Even if we don't make a trade, I'm not sure we'll ever get a straight answer about this until later when it's randomly dropped into a Harvey column.

That Manu somehow severely aggravated his ankle while on All Star Break seems ludicrous on its face, especially when his comments were about lifting weights, getting treatment, and trying to relax during the break. It could be possible that he injured it, just not likely in my opinion.

Hopefully by Friday some confirmed reports will shed some light on all of this. Anything is possible at this point.

I'm a total spurs fan and I'm not saying they actually do mislead and confuse or make up rumors about injuries. But everyone says how classy the Spurs are(and I agree) but wouldn't lying about injuries to better yourself be un-classy?? I don't necissarily believe this is the case but thats a major running contradiction in these forums.

[timvp]

My theory: this allows the Spurs to say, "We can't give up both Mason and Hill when we might be down Manu..."Hopefully. Unlikely but hopefully.

[EricB]

THen New Jersey or whoever else says " then we don't have a deal"

I think New Jersey is dealing from a point of strength here...

[DPG21920]

It would be a sheisty move if the Spurs leaked a rumor about a season ending injury to keep him from a trade. Isn't that like joking about your kid dying? Plus, couldn't teams just require him to take a physical?

[alchemist]

we'll we will know in 21 hours if this is a legit injury or a trade ploy....

[Chomag]

are you allowed to trade injured players in the NBA?

Not sure if you are being sarcastic with that question, but if you are serious I believe the traded player has to pass a physical or the trade is voided if I am not mistaken

[tav1]

THen New Jersey or whoever else says " then we don't have a deal"

I think New Jersey is dealing from a point of strength here...

I think their strength is something of a front. They're hemorrhaging money. I think Carter is gone, regardless. They're just trying to salvage 50 cents on the dollar.

[crc21209]

God time cant be going by fast enough...This really blows right now...

[xtremesteven33]

People forget that New Jersey is desperate.....really desperate.

[ElNono]

Nothing yet on Ole, La Nacion or Clarin... the Argentina newspapers... *very* strange...

[spurastic]

I saw a report that Pop stayed and played tourist in NYC for a few days before the game --so doubt that there was a practice unless in NY. If some of the team members were playing tourists in NY--then maybe they didn't have any major concerns about Manu at that time.

[pad300]

THen New Jersey or whoever else says " then we don't have a deal"

I think New Jersey is dealing from a point of strength here...

The only reason NJ is contemplating trading Vince is financial in the 1st place. The strength of NJ's position is entirely dependent on what they think their books will look like over the next couple of years...

[EricB]

It would be a sheisty move if the Spurs leaked a rumor about a season ending injury to keep him from a trade. Isn't that like joking about your kid dying? Plus, couldn't teams just require him to take a physical?

It would be a kick ass move.

Kidding me?

Like I said, if that were the case, and that happened, they would lose credibility regarding injuries for a while, but who the hell cares, you pulled one over on the Nets.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

If Manu is really going to miss any amount of time do you really think giving up hill and Mason for 1 player is even worth it. Personally I wouldn't trade for anyone now if Manu can't be healthy come playoff time....

[kjhip1]

Now it looks as though we would be in a desperate need of a 3rd scoring threat...I really dont think Manu is gone for the season.but if he is we shouldnt go over board and blow up our team for One guy...

[spursfan09]

Or Team A makes a deal with the Spurs that includes Ginobili, then Team A lets Ginobili walk "because he's injured" and comes back to SA. Like Barry last year

[MateoNeygro]

This might not have happened if Manu believed in God...

:stirpot:

hhaaha that was shitty.

[crc21209]

If the fucking Spurs could pull off a trade for VC without having to deal BOTH Mason and Hill, AND Manu is not really injured....the Spurs are fucking geniuses. A lineup of TP, VC, Manu, Mase and TD if playing small ball would kick some serious ass.

[ElNono]

It would be a sheisty move if the Spurs leaked a rumor about a season ending injury to keep him from a trade. Isn't that like joking about your kid dying? Plus, couldn't teams just require him to take a physical?

After the Gasol trade, anything goes.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

THen New Jersey or whoever else says " then we don't have a deal"

I think New Jersey is dealing from a point of strength here...

You're overlooking the fact NJ and others are desperately trying to shed payroll.

[timvp]

Nothing yet on Ole, La Nacion or Clarin... the Argentina newspapers... *very* strange...
Yeah, whenever Manu has been injured, we have heard quotes from him literally within hours. Since it's been multiple days, something has to be up . . .

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think I'm gonna throw up

[EricB]

Nothing yet on Ole, La Nacion or Clarin... the Argentina newspapers... *very* strange...

Yeah head scratching.

[EricB]

You're overlooking the fact NJ and others are desperately trying to shed payroll.


I understand, but they are still dealing from a position of strength.

[vander]

Not sure if you are being sarcastic with that question, but if you are serious I believe the traded player has to pass a physical if I am not mistaken

I didn't think you could, but wasn't sure if it was an actual rule or not. I mean, if there's a team out there willing to take an injured player, shouldn't it be their decision and not the NBA's ?

[crc21209]

Spurstalk, Kori, and Timvp getting shout-outs on Chris Duel's show right now again.

[coyotes_geek]

It would be a sheisty move if the Spurs leaked a rumor about a season ending injury to keep him from a trade. Isn't that like joking about your kid dying? Plus, couldn't teams just require him to take a physical?

Agreed. It just makes no sense that this is some kind of charade to keep teams from asking about Manu. If the Spurs don't want to include Manu in a deal it's as simple as saying "no Manu". I mean if someone calls up asking about Tim Duncan are the Spurs going to say "no way" or are they going to hold him out of a game and then say "you don't want him, he's hurt"?

[Holt's Cat]

If Manu is out for the season then it would make another team think twice about demanding him back in a trade. He's a name and his deal is up after next season so he's definitely an attractive trade target for a team that is looking to offload a name player with a long term financial commitment attached.

There are only so many teams in the NBA in the current economic environment that would be willing to take back a big contract and who can offer cap relief at the end of this season. The Spurs, with Horry and assorted odds and ends, can help a team significantly pare payroll past this season. Still, you gotta have a name to sell tickets, even if you can cut payroll.

There are a number of teams that are looking to deal some great talent now. The Spurs may be willing to deal with them. Making Ginobili less attractive is not a bad tactic at this point.

[MateoNeygro]

Substitute Uve with Matt Othick and you know how I feel now.

Substitute Uve and Matt Othick with Blake Ahearn and you know how i feel now.

[tsb2000]

Yeah, whenever Manu has been injured, we have heard quotes from him literally within hours. Since it's been multiple days, something has to be up . . .

One thing I do know is that players on the imminent trading block are often "sat down" to protect the asset that is the player. Anyone notice that Marcus Camby didn't play last night against the Suns due to an "ear infection?"

Hmmm...

[tav1]

The Spurs like to introduce inexplicable confusion into their dealings. CIA Pop or whatever. Like the weird email to the entire league on draft day. I'm not sure they think about it too much, they just go all Joker and introduce chaos.

Pop: We need to obfuscate matters...

R.C.: Alright, let's send an email to the every GM asking for their best offer...

Pop: Oh yeah, that's funny. Okay, why not? Demps,...

[MateoNeygro]

It would be a sheisty move if the Spurs leaked a rumor about a season ending injury to keep him from a trade. Isn't that like joking about your kid dying? Plus, couldn't teams just require him to take a physical?

Exactly my thoughts. Thats a crappy thing to do. I guess it's smart but that's like tempting bad shit to happen.

[Chomag]

Now it looks as though we would be in a desperate need of a 3rd scoring threat...I really dont think Manu is gone for the season.but if he is we shouldnt go over board and blow up our team for One guy...

However bare in mind we are not talking about Finley here. Loosing that one guy can make our break our season.

[FromWayDowntown]

People forget that New Jersey is desperate.....really desperate.

This afternoon, J.A. Adande quoted a Western Conference GM as saying that the Nets are hemmorraging money and will basically give Carter away.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

[coyotes_geek]

I didn't think you could, but wasn't sure if it was an actual rule or not. I mean, if there's a team out there willing to take an injured player, shouldn't it be their decision and not the NBA's ?

I'm pretty sure it is. I believe the only requirement is that teams give the physical, but teams don't have to void a trade just because the physical turned up something.

[z0sa]

If this is true, the Spurs are in dire straits, both this season and going forward.

[pad300]

I think their strength is something of a front. They're hemorrhaging money. I think Carter is gone, regardless. They're just trying to salvage 50 cents on the dollar.

If NJ is really having that kind of money problems, I think my Lopez + Carter for Manu and fillers proposals have more legs than might first appear. If they trade Carter for scraps, how do they put butts in the seats? My proposal gives them a player that will put butts in the seats - watching Manu play is awesome. Manu is more than fair value for Carter, and is saves them a ton of money besides, but they would have to give up potential in response...

[Ginofan]

How soon do y'all expect the FO to make an announcement on this mystery injury? I'm starting to slowly freak-out... :(

[Ditty]

i give up on this team see yall next year ginobili is a joke

[tav1]

The Nets are not trading Brooke Lopez. Let's move off that.

[timvp]

This afternoon, J.A. Adande quoted a Western Conference GM as saying that the Nets are hemmorraging money and will basically give Carter away.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218Didn't their arena deal fall through? That could be part of the reason why they are holding a VC fire sale.

[Ice009]

This afternoon, J.A. Adande quoted a Western Conference GM as saying that the Nets are hemmorraging money and will basically give Carter away.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

Wow is that true?

[kjhip1]

Something's gotta give...The Spurs' FO are up to something....do you'll think anyone has actually called and asked if Manu was available?

[FromWayDowntown]

I didn't think you could, but wasn't sure if it was an actual rule or not. I mean, if there's a team out there willing to take an injured player, shouldn't it be their decision and not the NBA's ?

I think the physical is purely optional on the part of the team acquiring the player.

If a team acquires Raef LaFrentz to get his expiring deal, they're not going to void the trade because LaFrentz can't pass a physical. Thus, the "pass a physical" thing can't be a requirement for consummating a trade.

[Xylus]

VC will definitely not be in a Nets uniform next week.

[Kori Ellis]

How soon do y'all expect the FO to make an announcement on this mystery injury? I'm starting to slowly freak-out... :(

Sometime after 2pm tomorrow.

[timvp]

How soon do y'all expect the FO to make an announcement on this mystery injury?No sooner than 2:01 PM tomorrow when the trade deadline passes.

[tsb2000]

Didn't their arena deal fall through? That could be part of the reason why they are holding a VC fire sale.

Yes it did. Financing broke down in the talks.

[MateoNeygro]

I think I'm gonna throw up

I just did twelve times. And will continue to do so until I find out the truth.

[EricB]

The Nets are not trading Brooke Lopez. Let's move off that.


I don't think anyones on it :lol

[Ice009]

i give up on this team see yall next year ginobili is a joke

WTF man. That is BS.

[tav1]

Didn't their arena deal fall through? That could be part of the reason why they are holding a VC fire sale.

I spoke with someone who confirmed this...

They're in a bad spot money wise. Their position of strength is something of a joke. The problem is, every team is hurting money wise. So it's not as easy to give up VC as you might think.

[Das Texan]

getting VC for pesos on the dollar would be so sexy.


Horry will be a part that deal for sure.

[EricB]

Sometime after 2pm tomorrow.


Coincidence?

[pad300]

I'm pretty sure it is. I believe the only requirement is that teams give the physical, but teams don't have to void a trade just because the physical turned up something.

Yep, a physical is required by the recieving team for each player. However, that team can choose to ignore the results of said physical; this is particularly common if they are doing the trade solely for capspace reasons.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I understand, but they are still dealing from a position of strength.

Yeah, such strength the best offer they've gotten to date is Vaughn, Oberto, Hill, and Mason for their franchise player.

NJ is losing money like it's going out of style, and want to be a player for LeBron in 2010.

[Bartleby]

i give up on this team see yall next year ginobili is a joke

Good fucking riddance. Don't come back.

[crc21209]

There's TOO MANY things to believe he cant be that hurt

1. He was playing awesome ball before the all-star break, most notably scoring 32 in that Toronto game.

2. Nothing has been said on Manu's blog, any of Argentina's papers, nothing.

3. We all should know by now Pop is straight up CIA, and this would be the ultimate CIA move.

4. Manu hadnt said anything prior to this week about the ankle bothering him, not even when missing the Denver game, he was listed as having a hip contusion. Neither after the Toronto game, he stated he was gonna take time off during the break, no mention of soreness or injury.

[tav1]

If NJ is really having that kind of money problems, I think my Lopez + Carter for Manu and fillers proposals have more legs than might first appear. If they trade Carter for scraps, how do they put butts in the seats? My proposal gives them a player that will put butts in the seats - watching Manu play is awesome. Manu is more than fair value for Carter, and is saves them a ton of money besides, but they would have to give up potential in response...

Eric, I was responding to this.

[FromWayDowntown]

Didn't their arena deal fall through? That could be part of the reason why they are holding a VC fire sale.

Here's the entirety of Adande's report from about 6 hours ago:

POSTED: Feb. 18 -- 1:28 p.m. ET

J.A. Adande: While the Nets continue to downplay Vince Carter trade talks, other executives in the league expect Carter to be moved.

Quite simply, the Nets "want off Vince," one general manager said.
Carter is due $16.3 million next season and $17.3 million in 2010-11 (likely taking any team with him on the roster out of play for the 2010 free-agent derby).

But don't be surprised if Carter, a 10-time All-Star, doesn't bring back All-Star talent in return -- especially if a trade with Portland for Raef LaFrentz's expiring contract and Travis Outlaw goes down.

"It comes down to New Jersey giving Vince away," another GM said. "They're hemorrhaging money."

Although Devin Harris has surpassed Carter as the team's best player, Carter is still the biggest name, so at first glance trading him wouldn't make sense in a star-driven business. But as the general manager said, "They're not selling tickets anyway," and Carter isn't enough of a box office draw to cover his $15 million salary this season.

With a mediocre team playing in a lame-duck, 27-year-old stadium and ground yet to be broken on a new arena in Brooklyn, the Nets have averaged 14,805 fans per game this season. That ranks 25th on the league's attendance list.

"They're hurting," the second general manager said. "The league's hurting. The world's hurting."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

[EricB]

I spoke with someone who confirmed this...

They're in a bad spot money wise. Their position of strength is something of a joke. The problem is, every team is hurting money wise. So it's not as easy to give up VC as you might think.


I was going off of only "Well you need a SG now, and we have a great one here and you obviously are desperate for one"

[Ginofan]

Sometime after 2pm tomorrow.


No sooner than 2:01 PM tomorrow when the trade deadline passes.

:bang:bang:bang
I'm not going to be able to concentrate at work or school at all.

I pray that Manu is okay and this is all just smoke and mirrors.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

He must've gotten into a freak accident or something day before yesterday.

When I saw the thread title I prayed it was a thread topic from ages ago that got bumped.

[EricB]

Eric, I was responding to this.


apologies, didn't see that. The posts are coming in pretty fast and furious right now.

[Holt's Cat]

Carter is due $16.3 million next season and $17.3 million in 2010-11

That's a lot of CATs.

[tp2021]

Here's the entirety of Adande's report from about 6 hours ago:

POSTED: Feb. 18 -- 1:28 p.m. ET

J.A. Adande: While the Nets continue to downplay Vince Carter trade talks, other executives in the league expect Carter to be moved.
...

"They're hurting," the second general manager said. "The league's hurting. The world's hurting."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=TradeTalkRoundup-090218

I'm all fucked up now. What the hell, its like a fucking soap opera.

[vander]

Yep, a physical is required by the recieving team for each player. However, that team can choose to ignore the results of said physical; this is particularly common if they are doing the trade solely for capspace reasons.

cool thanks

[EricB]

getting VC for pesos on the dollar would be so sexy.


Horry will be a part that deal for sure.

Yeah it would brighten things up a tad.

[EricB]

That's a lot of CATs.

Thats alot for any team.

Let alone a pretty small market team with a thin profit margin.

[mookie2001]

hmmm

this recent manu shit proves that I was right and esmegmol was wrong

hope hes ok but WOW this was the most predicable event of the season

[EricB]

Yeah, such strength the best offer they've gotten to date is Vaughn, Oberto, Hill, and Mason for their franchise player.

NJ is losing money like it's going out of style, and want to be a player for LeBron in 2010.


I think they've gotten offered Josh Howard for Vince, wich is better than what the Spurs offer IMO.

[Mavs<Spurs]

He must've gotten into a freak accident or something day before yesterday.

When I saw the thread title I prayed it was a thread topic from ages ago that got bumped.

Or from someone unreliable.


And then I saw it was posted by TimVP today.


And I knew it was for real. And it has me completely freaked out too.

2 p.m. can't come soon enough.

Crap !!

:(:depressed:wow

[timvp]

That's a lot of CATs.Tie up Holt so that Pop is left no choice but to ask David Robinson whether or not the trade can be approved . . .

[Death In June]

This is definetly one of the more interesting trade deadlines that I can remember. My guess is that Manu will be okay, and no trades will be made. I'd be shocked if the spurs were willing to make VC the second highest paid player on the team.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

I still feel sick :(

[Chomag]

Can we safely say that this might go down as the Spurs franchise's strangest season?

[EricB]

Tie up Holt so that Pop is left no choice but to ask David Robinson whether or not the trade can be approved . . .

Tie up the other 11 at the same time

[Mavs<Spurs]

I think they've gotten offered Josh Howard for Vince, wich is better than what the Spurs offer IMO.

And Josh Howard being so much younger and I'm thinking he's not expensive.

[HarlemHeat37]

living in NY, I can tell you that nobody goes to Nets games..it's even worse than you see in the crowds, because a lot of the tickets are given away..it's an unattractive location, not a big sports state..

I would be surprised if the Nets are still in Jersey in a few years..they won't be in Brooklyn though..

[Holt's Cat]

If the Spurs were truly looking to set themselves up for 2010, taking on a player like Carter before that time may not be such a bad deal. Free agency is definitely a mirage for the Spurs, especially with respect to top tier FAs. It would seem a bit wiser to use that cap flexibility in a trade. And it's not like the Big 3 are getting any younger.

Of course, do we realistically see Peter Holt paying 4 players $60 mil per and giving up the lux tax rebate?

[Cherry]

Are you f****** kidding me?
We know nothing about this here. :(

[Manu20]

I need a hug:depressed

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think they've gotten offered Josh Howard for Vince, wich is better than what the Spurs offer IMO.

Yes, a team that is moving to Brooklyn, right down the road from the site of the Twin Towers, would love to have a bitch ass thug who hates the Star Spangled Banner as the face of its franchise.

[Kori Ellis]

Yes, a team that is moving to Brooklyn, right down the road from the site of the Twin Towers, would love to have a bitch ass thug who hates the Star Spangled Banner as the face of its franchise.

I think the LaFrentz (expiring contract) and Outlaw is the best deal they are being offered for VC.

[porksword]

This is not a CIA Pop move. Even he has his limits. And to me this would be so extreme. Just start throwing away games in the middle of the season to accomplish what? Not having to talk about Manu in trade talks. Thats way too hard to imagine.

I truly believe Manu is hurt, and we will prolly stand pat at the trade deadline and not screw up our 2010 plan.

[mookie2001]

dam argentina is full of twats

[coyotes_geek]

If the Spurs were truly looking to set themselves up for 2010, taking on a player like Carter before that time may not be such a bad deal. Free agency is definitely a mirage for the Spurs, especially with respect to top tier FAs. It would seem a bit wiser to use that cap flexibility in a trade. And it's not like the Big 3 are getting any younger.

Of course, do we realistically see Peter Holt paying 4 players $60 mil per and giving up the lux tax rebate?

That's why I'm thinking that the Spurs may just stand pat and see how things look in the offseason. They'll know more about Manu's situation and the cap/tax situation. If the Nets don't trade carter tomorrow he'll be available again then.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think the LaFrentz (expiring contract) and Outlaw is the best deal they are being offered for VC.

Admittedly I've been on the road, but I missed news of that offer. It's an interesting one and I'd agree with you that it's probably the best offer.

[angelbelow]

wtf...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

timvp, kori, is there any way that manu is just out for a week? I mean maybe the Spurs just wanna await the rest results and Manu will be back by the end of next week.

It's a possibility right?

[spursfan09]

Well, going to class now. I guess we aren't going to know anything until tomorrow anyways. You'll be in my thoughts Manu

[crc21209]

I just can't believe he's hurt...he's such a good guy..such a good competitor...he doesnt deserve this.

[alchemist]

I think the LaFrentz (expiring contract) and Outlaw is the best deal they are being offered for VC.
exactly, I find it hard to believe they would take the Spurs deal over the Blazers deal.

[The Truth #6]

Bruce Ratner's Brooklyn arena, a billion dollar venture, is supposedly slipping away. That was his whole reason for getting the Nets, to include them as part of an eminent domain/real estate venture in downtown Brooklyn. Add that failure to the already miserable economy, and yeah, I can see him trying to get out of debt. He's probably considering selling the team but no one would want to buy it now.

Given this, YES, I can see the Spurs trying to bluff the Nets somehow to give them Carter for as little as possible.

I'm not saying this is the case but it's not unlikely. Remember, the Spurs are shrewd and cheap.

The glaring question is why the Spurs would throw all that money on another wing if we're going to keep Manu, but that's another issue...

[coyotes_geek]

Regarding Carter & the Mavs, keep in mind the Nets have the Mavs unprotected 2010 1st round pick. So the Nets do have a vested interest in not helping the mavs become a better basketball team next year. I think the Nets only see the Mavs as a last-resort option for moving Vince.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

timvp, kori, is there any way that manu is just out for a week? I mean maybe the Spurs just wanna await the rest results and Manu will be back by the end of next week.

It's a possibility right?

Dude, what could they be waiting on? If this has been building for a couple of days he probably had an MRI early in the week. For pro sports teams the turnaround on their MRIs is 24 hours or less. If this isn't a CIA ploy, they already know what's up.

[MateoNeygro]

I think they've gotten offered Josh Howard for Vince, wich is better than what the Spurs offer IMO.

Yah but I'm not sure but Josh Howard probably makes a shit ton of money too and the Nets wanna save not spend.

[BlackSwordsMan]

just reported on the news manu is missing the rest of the rodeo road trip

[Holt's Cat]

Carter is overpaid but he's been proven to be a rather durable scorer over the last 5 seasons. If all you have to give up is Hill+Mason, you do it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

exactly, I find it hard to believe they would take the Spurs deal over the Blazers deal.

Well, if you look at the Nets and their two deep, Mason and Hill would help them more than Outlaw.

[timvp]

timvp, kori, is there any way that manu is just out for a week? I mean maybe the Spurs just wanna await the rest results and Manu will be back by the end of next week.

It's a possibility right?Yes, if this is a CIA Pop ploy, it's possible.

However, it sounds like best case scenario is out for at least a while.

Given everything, as long as Manu's back by the playoffs, I'd be thrilled.

[George Gervin's Afro]

yes, if this is a cia pop ploy, it's possible.

However, it sounds like best case scenario is out for at least a while.

Given everything, as long as manu's back by the playoffs, i'd be thrilled.

+1

[braeden0613]

just reported on the news manu is missing the rest of the rodeo road trip
that's not too bad...what station was it on?

[crc21209]

If Manu is just out for the rest of the REGULAR SEASON, and is back by playoffs, I am totally fine with it. Because this Spurs team can hold serve till then, into the playoffs, they need Manu at 100%. I dont care if the Spurs go in as the damn number 8 seed, if our big 3 is together and healthy, we can take it all.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Dude, what could they be waiting on? If this has been building for a couple of days he probably had an MRI early in the week. For pro sports teams the turnaround on their MRIs is 24 hours or less. If this isn't a CIA ploy, they already know what's up.

you're probably right man


:bang

The season began cursed, and will probably end that way

[EricB]

Yes, a team that is moving to Brooklyn, right down the road from the site of the Twin Towers, would love to have a bitch ass thug who hates the Star Spangled Banner as the face of its franchise.

Not moving there anymore...

[benefactor]

I think the LaFrentz (expiring contract) and Outlaw is the best deal they are being offered for VC.
Indeed it is. Portland offering this basically takes us out of the running for Carter...not that I believed we ever were.

All we can do now is hope for the best with Manu.

[DaDakota]

Tmac for Manu?

;)

DD

[Mavs<Spurs]

Dude, what could they be waiting on? If this has been building for a couple of days he probably had an MRI early in the week. For pro sports teams the turnaround on their MRIs is 24 hours or less. If this isn't a CIA ploy, they already know what's up.

Could it be something like Mahinmi situation where multiple MRI don't reveal anything, but the same ankle becoming sore/sprained leads them to consider exploratory surgery for Manu to see if there is something not revealed on the MRI?

This would take 8 to 10 weeks to recover from at least, apparently.

And they might not have anything specific to say except that they suspect that since Manu's ankle is persistently sore or gets sprained, he may have some problem with it that the exploratory surgery could identify and then fix.

And this might appear to be a season-ending decision for Manu-- it could be.

[timvp]

Could it be something like Mahinmi situation where multiple MRI don't reveal anything, but the same ankle becoming sore/sprained leads them to consider exploratory surgery for Manu to see if there is something not revealed on the MRI?

This would take 8 to 10 weeks to recover from at least, apparently.

And they might not have anything specific to say except that they suspect that since Manu's ankle is persistently sore or gets sprained, he may have some problem with it that the exploratory surgery could identify and then fix.

And this might appear to be a season-ending decision for Manu-- it could be.Could be. Although, knowing Manu, if it was anything that could be played through, he'd be more than willing to do it.

[MateoNeygro]

If the Spurs were making up an injury to get over on people. Wouldn't it make more sense to say it was the previously operated on ankle?? Rather than the other ankle that nobody knew was "hurt"??

[Holt's Cat]

So, to recap:

Manu is on the shelf because he really does have a season ending injury,

or Manu is on the shelf because he is being held out as a precaution,

or Manu is on the shelf because he's part of a trade that's being worked out,

or Manu is on the shelf because the Spurs don't want to part with him and want to force a team in the red to take crap back for their star,

or Manu is on the shelf because Pop got bored.

[crc21209]

A part of me wants to go away from these damn boards until tomorrow only to wake up to some good news....but I cant...I gotta stay here. lol.

[Mal]

Shiit, I hope he will be healthy, at least for playoff. Losing this guy for season sucks.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Just got word from insider on Spurs plane. He's only out the rest of the rodeo trip.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What is the logic with "faking Manu's injury"

Like people mentioned earlier, what's so hard for a team to say no about trading Manu?

Is the idea that if Manu is injured teams will just get desperate and settle for Oberto/Bowen/Mason?

[Sec24Row7]

This is really perplexing...

It has to be CIA... if it was true... why wouldn't they just come out and say it?

I fail to see how them admitting he is hurt helps or hurts them if they already know...

Another team would find out in a trade etc etc... with a physical...

This way he is hurt via rumor... no one is on the record... very strange...

[ElNono]

I'm actually wondering, if this is indeed a CIA Pop move, if Manu even knows what's up. I can completely envision this conversation:

Pop: "Manu, we're going to say your right ankle is banged up. You're not coming to the rest of the trip with us, and you're going to keep quiet".
Manu with the puzzled face: "Ok"

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Just got word from insider on Spurs plane. He's only out the rest of the rodeo trip.

phew


:downspin:

[EricB]

So, to recap:

Manu is on the shelf because he really does have a season ending injury,

or Manu is on the shelf because he is being held out as a precaution,

or Manu is on the shelf because he's part of a trade that's being worked out,

or Manu is on the shelf because the Spurs don't want to part with him and want to force a team in the red to take crap back for their star,

or Manu is on the shelf because Pop got bored.

I don't think anyone covered that one yet.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

With it being 7:30 ET even if the Spurs were going to make a trade they wouldn't announce it until tomorrow would they?

[Holt's Cat]

What is the logic with "faking Manu's injury"

Like people mentioned earlier, what's so hard for a team to say no about trading Manu?

Is the idea that if Manu is injured teams will just get desperate and settle for Oberto/Bowen/Mason?


Yes. Manu with one more year left on his contract is more appealing than flotsam and jetsam.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Just got word from insider on Spurs plane. He's only out the rest of the rodeo trip.


Don't play with my emotions like that man.....

[MateoNeygro]

A part of me wants to go away from these damn boards until tomorrow only to wake up to some good news....but I cant...I gotta stay here. lol.

haha I'm the same way. I got shit to do but my spurs come first.

[mytespurs]

we won't know anything until after 2pm tomorrow??!! :wow:wow

This thread will be 100+ pages by that time....:lol

[George Gervin's Afro]

Don't play with my emotions like that man.....

I'm serious.

[Muser]

It's practically 1 AM now, and I can't sleep thanks to Pop :bang

[BlackSwordsMan]

that's not too bad...what station was it on?

probably ksat

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

I'm serious.


I hope you are correct!!!!

[duncan228]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Manu Ginobili has been ruled out of Thursday's game against the Pistons, as well as the final game of the Spurs' rodeo road trip against Washington on Saturday.

Ginobili missed Tuesday's loss at New York, remaining in San Antonio for tests and treatment on what the team has termed a sore right ankle.

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

Ginobili underwent a battery of tests Tuesday, including an MRI. Team doctors are scheduled to meet with coach Gregg Popovich, general manager R.C. Buford and athletic trainer Will Sevening on Thursday to discuss the findings.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Just got word from insider on Spurs plane. He's only out the rest of the rodeo trip.

Then I'm really relieved.

If you're not serious, a lot of people will be unhappy with you.



Thank you for the information. I can breathe again.

Deep breathing. In through nose count to five. Out mouth count to seven.

[stéphane]

I'm serious.

Like DEAD serious?

[George Gervin's Afro]

My best friend has an inside source on the team and he just text messaged me telling me he was only out for the Rodeo trip.

[Ice009]

dam argentina is full of twats

What kind of comment is that?

[Mavs<Spurs]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Manu Ginobili has been ruled out of Thursday's game against the Pistons, as well as the final game of the Spurs' rodeo road trip against Washington on Saturday.

Ginobili missed Tuesday's loss at New York, remaining in San Antonio for tests and treatment on what the team has termed a sore right ankle.

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

Ginobili underwent a battery of tests Tuesday, including an MRI. Team doctors are scheduled to meet with coach Gregg Popovich, general manager R.C. Buford and athletic trainer Will Sevening on Thursday to discuss the findings.

Raises heartbeats too !!


To discuss the findings ?

What the h&^$ does that mean?

[Muser]

What kind of comment is that?

I think he meant to say

Damn Argentina has the hottest girls.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Manu Ginobili has been ruled out of Thursday's game against the Pistons, as well as the final game of the Spurs' rodeo road trip against Washington on Saturday.

Ginobili missed Tuesday's loss at New York, remaining in San Antonio for tests and treatment on what the team has termed a sore right ankle.

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

Ginobili underwent a battery of tests Tuesday, including an MRI. Team doctors are scheduled to meet with coach Gregg Popovich, general manager R.C. Buford and athletic trainer Will Sevening on Thursday to discuss the findings.


"exhale" This lets me breathe a little for right now!

[tp2021]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.


Oh 228, I don't know if I'm more relieved, or more anxious now.

[ElNono]

Why wait until the trade deadline is over to discuss a test result?... Hmmm...

Say hello to Mr CIA Pop :hat

[TheProdigy]

Wow this thread is full of fail. Rumors and little or no facts to go along with. Reminds me of listening to AM 1250 ;)

[MarHill]

Yes, if this is a CIA Pop ploy, it's possible.

However, it sounds like best case scenario is out for at least a while.

Given everything, as long as Manu's back by the playoffs, I'd be thrilled.

Timvp,

I have a question. Can a team who is trading a player like VC take some of his salary to help get a deal done with another team?

I know that might not make sense for NJ...since they are dumping salary.

But I was wondering if they could do that?

[timvp]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Manu Ginobili has been ruled out of Thursday's game against the Pistons, as well as the final game of the Spurs' rodeo road trip against Washington on Saturday.

Ginobili missed Tuesday's loss at New York, remaining in San Antonio for tests and treatment on what the team has termed a sore right ankle.

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

Ginobili underwent a battery of tests Tuesday, including an MRI. Team doctors are scheduled to meet with coach Gregg Popovich, general manager R.C. Buford and athletic trainer Will Sevening on Thursday to discuss the findings.That's a pretty huge meeting regarding "ankle soreness".

Hopefully McDonald's source is right about it not being a threat to Ginobili's season.

[Muser]

Why wait until the trade deadline is over to discuss a test result?... Hmmm...

Say hello to Mr CIA Pop :hat

+1

If he's gonna miss the next two games only, then that's alright.

[timvp]

My best friend has an inside source on the team and he just text messaged me telling me he was only out for the Rodeo trip.
That's been the team's official stance since this morning . . .

[Russ]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

That's the bottom line. :)

The Spurs are ultraconservative when it comes to injuries.

And Manu is a warrior who has to be held back at times.

[Das Texan]

mcdonald has a fucking real source other than his dog?

[timvp]

Please, basketball gods, let this be a CIA ploy.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Please, basketball gods, let this be a CIA ploy.


Yes tonight and tomorrow are going to go by very slooooowwwwwww

I really hope George Gervins afro and Mcdonald are correct

[crc21209]

That's a pretty huge meeting regarding "ankle soreness".

Hopefully McDonald's source is right about it not being a threat to Ginobili's season.

If the ankle is not a threat to Manu's season then the meeting between Pop, R.C., Will, and the doc's is most likely to see when Manu can play or how much time Manu should stay off of it. But I'm glad to hear that this injury should not take him out for the season.

[MarHill]

please, basketball gods, let this be a cia ploy.

+1

[EricB]

Please, basketball gods, let this be a CIA ploy.


Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year.

Spurs get Carter on the cheap thanks to this.

Ginobili is magically ok for the mavericks game next tuesday.

[crc21209]

My god if the Spurs get VC for cheap and Manu is ok, the Spurs are fucking geniuses.

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year.

Spurs get Carter on the cheap thanks to this.

Ginobili is magically ok for the mavericks game next tuesday.

If the Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year, then NJ would want MORE not less for VC because they'd think the Spurs would be desperate.

[EricB]

I''l take a GUESS this is the meeting.

Doctor says we have this problem, he gets surgery its fixed good, but hes done till end of April beginning of May.

HE can play THROUGH it, but its alot of pain.

[Spurs Brazil]

A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

So far McDonald's sources sucks. I hope this one is right

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

What are the chances the Spurs make a move tonight?

[MarHill]

Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year.

Spurs get Carter on the cheap thanks to this.

Ginobili is magically ok for the mavericks game next tuesday.


If that was true...Pop and RC would deserve to go to the Hall of Fame for Craftiness and Deception!!!


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[EricB]

If the Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year, then NJ would want MORE not less for VC because they'd think the Spurs would be desperate.


Thats what I said, but Aggie and others told me they are STILL desperate to get rid of him.


ARGG!!!

:lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

Please, basketball gods, let this be a CIA ploy.

Seems unusual to have a meeting like that and it might mean that the MRI didn't reveal anything specifically. However, the soreness of the ankle might have led them to try other methods for determining what is going on.

If it is persistently sore and they don't know exactly why, then this might explain the meeting.


Is it unusual to have a meeting like this to determine injuries ?

[Muser]

If the Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year, then NJ would want MORE not less for VC because they'd think the Spurs would be desperate.

Depends if NJ really want to offload VC.

[TheTruth]

Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year.

Spurs get Carter on the cheap thanks to this.

Ginobili is magically ok for the mavericks game next tuesday.

I don't see how leaking Ginobili is out for the year gets us Carter on the cheap. Wouldn't teams be more inclined to hold out for more in return knowing we are more desperate now that we've lost one of our best players?

[Kori Ellis]

I don't see how leaking Ginobili is out for the year gets us Carter on the cheap. Wouldn't teams be more inclined to hold out for more in return knowing we are more desperate now that we've lost one of our best players?

Exactly.

[TheTruth]

If the Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year, then NJ would want MORE not less for VC because they'd think the Spurs would be desperate.

ooops, beat me to it.

[MarHill]

Timvp,

I have a question. Can a team who is trading a player like VC take some of his salary to help get a deal done with another team?

I know that might not make sense for NJ...since they are dumping salary.

But I was wondering if they could do that?

Kori or someone else can answer this question?

[Ice009]

That's been the team's official stance since this morning . . .

Another miss direction by the Spurs?

This is crazy. Spurs have got everyone all over the place now.

I hope Manu is OK.

[vy65]

What doesn't make sense is that the VC rumors began circulating on/around Feb. 6 -- which was prior to both the Toronto and Boston games. I dunno what to make of that other than A) The FO had prior interest in VC without regard to any (potential) injury or B) Manu's "injury" had existed for some time, but the team let him play on it regardless and it has just blown up now.

Neither scenario really makes much sense though

[timvp]

Timvp,

I have a question. Can a team who is trading a player like VC take some of his salary to help get a deal done with another team?

I know that might not make sense for NJ...since they are dumping salary.

But I was wondering if they could do that?No. The most a team can do is include cash as part of the deal -- up to $3 million. But the entire salary will count against the books no matter what.

[crc21209]

McDonald, although an idiot at times, has been writing some decent articles lately and does work for the Express news so if he says someone within the organization says its not a threat to end Manu's season, we gotta believe him. He cant be lying his ass off to the avg. fan who reads sa.com or the paper, he would get his ass fired. lol.

[tp2021]

This shit is more convoluted than LOST.

[MarHill]

No. The most a team can do is include cash as part of the deal -- up to $3 million. But the entire salary will count against the books no matter what.

Okay, thanks!

I thought so...just making sure!

:toast

[Kori Ellis]

What doesn't make sense is that the VC rumors began circulating on/around Feb. 6 -- which was prior to both the Toronto and Boston games. I dunno what to make of that other than A) The FO had prior interest in VC without regard to any (potential) injury or B) Manu's "injury" had existed for some time, but the team let him play on it regardless and it has just blown up now.

Neither scenario really makes much sense though

For whatever it's worth, some people have said he's been injured since the Golden State game.. what date was that?

[Muser]

For whatever it's worth, some people have said he's been injured since the Golden State game.. what date was that?


2nd Feb

[Manufan909]

Hopefully this is true. Perhaps by leaking Manu is possibly out for the season, another team wouldn't be as worried about giving the Spurs the final piece to a juggernaut.





Unlikely but CIA Pop has done craftier.

Examples?

[Kori Ellis]

McDonald, although an idiot at times, has been writing some decent articles lately and does work for the Express news so if he says someone within the organization says its not a threat to end Manu's season, we gotta believe him. He cant be lying his ass off to the avg. fan who reads sa.com or the paper, he would get his ass fired. lol.

I don't think he's lying. He's probably just reporting what he's been told. We can just hope that's the truth.

[crc21209]

But that GS game nothing was said about an ankle, just about his Hip.

[EricB]

The timeline is starting to make sense then.

[Ditty]

please ginobili come back

and spurs please trade for a big man

please Jesus help this team out

:(

[MarHill]

For whatever it's worth, some people have said he's been injured since the Golden State game.. what date was that?


Feb 2nd

[porscha]

Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:54 am Post subject:

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Grande Jalbert! Felicitaciones! Te ganaste un premio que te llegara en un futuro no muy lejano (notese la vaguedad y amplitud de la frase usada en cuanto a tiempo, pero no en cuanto a certeza).

Saludos a todos y buenisimo el video de NQN'01. Que momento! Que manera de correr y saltar para todos lados!

manu was still posting on 2/14 at his site.
I'm not sure what he was saying but from google, he seems fine!

please manu be healthy. praying.

[crc21209]

I don't think he's lying. He's probably just reporting what he's been told. We can just hope that's the truth.

Amen Kori, Amen.

[word]

Ginobilli reported out for the season on some message board ?

No thanks.

[vy65]

For whatever it's worth, some people have said he's been injured since the Golden State game.. what date was that?

Mon. Feb. 2. In that game he got whacked in the shoulder and took a hard hit to his hip. I don't remember seeing any funny business with his ankle though.

[ElNono]

If the Spurs leak Ginobili is done for the year, then NJ would want MORE not less for VC because they'd think the Spurs would be desperate.

They might want more players/monetary compensation, something that the Spurs might be willing to do as long as they don't have to part ways with Manu. This is the theory I was explaining earlier. Suppose the trade conversations deadlocked because the Nets wanted Manu and no other Spurs players. Now you take Manu out of the picture and they have to look at whatever else the Spurs are offering. Doesn't mean they'll go for it, but you get conversations started again at a different angle.

[timvp]

Seems unusual to have a meeting like that and it might mean that the MRI didn't reveal anything specifically. However, the soreness of the ankle might have led them to try other methods for determining what is going on.

If it is persistently sore and they don't know exactly why, then this might explain the meeting.


Is it unusual to have a meeting like this to determine injuries ?That's the type of meeting in which there's a major decision to be made. If it's something simple, it'd be between the player and Pop.

If there is actually a meeting, that has me hopeful. That probably means that there are multiple options on the table.

This is starting to sound like one of those "have surgery or try to play through it" types of situations.

[Kori Ellis]

But that GS game nothing was said about an ankle, just about his Hip.

Nope. After the GS game it was said he was really banged up... he said in the postgame interview "all over." I heard that at that point it was ankle/hip/shoulder/tailbone.