OLD: Manu Ginobili might be out for the season

[EricB]

2nd he gets hurt

the 6th theres a source saying the Spurs have "inquired" about Vince Carter....


Makes sense now.

[MateoNeygro]

This shit is more convoluted than LOST.

haha damn right it is. I can't take it anymore I'm out. Good talk ladies and gentlemen. Its been fun going batshit crazy with ya'll. Much love.

[crc21209]

Wow ok, Thanks Kori. All I had heard was shoulder and hip, and possible tailbone, nothing about ankle.

[EricB]

That's the type of meeting in which there's a major decision to be made. If it's something simple, it'd be between the player and Pop.

If there is actually a meeting, that has me hopeful. That probably means that there are multiple options on the table.

This is starting to sound like one of those "have surgery or try to play through it" types of situations.

Ahem :)

But I agree.

[ElNono]

We've seen Manu banged on an ankle before. The way he was playing in Boston, NJ and Toronto makes me almost completely sure his ankle was fine back then...

[FromWayDowntown]

Color me cynical, but the timing of McDonald's piece is a bit curious to me, particularly in light of the obvious desire on the Spurs' part to keep a lid on what's up with Manu. With reports of a season-ending injury swirling and the extent of the reporting on that expanding, the Spurs' desire to keep things hush-hush has been completely obliterated. It makes some sense, then, to have a mouthpiece go out and calm the masses. And for some reason, the tidbit about the injury not being considered a threat to Manu's season seems almost gratuitous to me. Granted, it answers the swirling reports directly, but given the nature of the meeting tomorrow -- and the fact that the meeting will be held tomorrow and not when the Spurs return -- it sure seems like the Spurs are acting with some urgency about an injury that they say won't cost Manu the season.

My decoder ring is quite rusty, though.

[Muser]

Right i'm done i'm going to bed. When I wake it'll be around 3 AM you time, hopefully something has come up by then.

Peace.
:flag:

[MarHill]

haha damn right it is. I can't take it anymore I'm out. Good talk ladies and gentlemen. Its been fun going batshit crazy with ya'll. Much love.

:lol

Yeah it can drive you crazy!

But most of us Spurs fans wants to make sure everyone is healthy so they can have a legit shot for their 5th ring!!!!!


:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2: :lobt2: (Drive for Five)

[vy65]

2nd he gets hurt

the 6th theres a source saying the Spurs have "inquired" about Vince Carter....


Makes sense now.

What doesn't make sense though is that the team would be inquiring about VC, signaling that something is seriously wrong with Manu -- and -- playing Manu in two games, one of which was against the C's. Something seriously doesn't add up -- given the historic reticence to play players who might be injured, I can't think Pop would, in good faith, send Manu through multiple Kendrick Perkins moving picks.

I will say that there does seem to be more mention of FO action this year than in years past -- but I dunno if that's a product of Manu's injury, or the thing causing all this injury talk to occur--as a type of shield or something.

[lurker23]

This is starting to sound like one of those "have surgery or try to play through it" types of situations.

Although it may not have been as publicized, there was likely something like this going on at the end of last season, and we know how that turned out. However, I'd still vote for playing through it, and then consider surgery immediately after the playoffs are over.

[ElNono]

I tell you, this is actually worse than seeing any player getting injured during a game. At least then, you know what happened, and what's up.

[timvp]

Color me cynical, but the timing of McDonald's piece is a bit curious to me, particularly in light of the obvious desire on the Spurs' part to keep a lid on what's up with Manu. With reports of a season-ending injury swirling and the extent of the reporting on that expanding, the Spurs' desire to keep things hush-hush has been completely obliterated. It makes some sense, then, to have a mouthpiece go out and calm the masses. And for some reason, the tidbit about the injury not being considered a threat to Manu's season seems almost gratuitous to me. Granted, it answers the swirling reports directly, but given the nature of the meeting tomorrow -- and the fact that the meeting will be held tomorrow and not when the Spurs return -- it sure seems like the Spurs are acting with some urgency about an injury that they say won't cost Manu the season. Yeah, if this weren't something serious, the obvious thing to do would be to let Manu rest and then after the Spurs get back have Pop meet with the doctors. A meeting on the road for a supposedly minor injury doesn't make much sense to me.

[tp2021]

Well, usually the Spurs come together on the RRT. This season, it's just kinda fucked everything all to hell.

[xtremesteven33]

If spurs can land a big name and not trade Manu or Hill/Mason...


They should build a shrine of Popovich outside the AT&T center....and make the fans kiss it before they walk in....


im just sayin....

[timvp]

I tell you, this is actually worse than seeing any player getting injured during a game. At least then, you know what happened, and what's up.The only hope for news before 2 PM tomorrow is if Manu comes out and says something. This could all be over if Manu does an interview and says he's fine or out X amount of time.

Argentina needs to keep us updated on whether Manu has anything to say.

[tp2021]

The only hope for news before 2 PM tomorrow is if Manu comes out and says something. This could all be over if Manu does an interview and says he's fine or out X amount of time.

Argentina needs to keep us updated on whether Manu has anything to say.

Oh, so you WANT us now?

[/argies]

:lol

[ElNono]

The only hope for news before 2 PM tomorrow is if Manu comes out and says something. This could all be over if Manu does an interview and says he's fine or out X amount of time.

Argentina needs to keep us updated on whether Manu has anything to say.

I'm checking like clockwork...

[Cherry]

This shit is more convoluted than LOST.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9905/lost21cp5sx3.jpg

[tp2021]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9905/lost21cp5sx3.jpg
Nice! :tu

Hopefully Manu doesn't get written out of the script for this season.

:depressed

[FromWayDowntown]

A meeting on the road for a supposedly minor injury doesn't make much sense to me.

What I couldn't tell from the report was whether the docs and R.C. are going to Detroit to meet with Pop and Sevening or whether it's a conference call.

If there's a crew going to Detroit for a meeting, I'm not buying the idea that this categorically isn't considered season-ending

[tp2021]

What I couldn't tell from the report was whether the docs and R.C. are going to Detroit to meet with Pop and Sevening or whether it's a conference call.

If there's a crew going to Detroit for a meeting, I'm not buying the idea that this categorically isn't considered season-ending

You mean season-threatening?

[crc21209]

What I couldn't tell from the report was whether the docs and R.C. are going to Detroit to meet with Pop and Sevening or whether it's a conference call.

If there's a crew going to Detroit for a meeting, I'm not buying the idea that this categorically isn't considered season-ending

That's the thing that threw me off, how could they all be having a meeting if the Spurs are going to be in Detroit tomorrow. It has to has to be a conference call.

[Bruno]

A meeting in Detroit tomorrow seems weird.

Why will doctors travel when you can do a phone meeting ?
The whole team will talk about Manu's injury in Detroit while Manu will stay in San Antonio ?
It is the busiest day of the year for a GM with the trade deadline and RC will spend time discussing about an injury while he could do it on Friday, a quiet day ?
The MRI was done on Tuseday, why the meeting hasn't been done today ?

This meeting story really smells BS.

[Russ]

Looks like a lot of reading here but not too many tea leaves.

What if Manu's status has nothing to do with any potential Vince Carter trade? Has anybody thought about the possible fan revolt (ala David Robinson in '01) if Manu is traded for the laconic Carter? The Spurs are a very PR-conscious organization (especially in this economy).

Is NJ really so dumb that, presumably after demandng Manu in a trade, they simply conclude that he's injured because the Spurs sit him down for a game or two?

After the Spurs sat down the "Big Three" for a game a week ago for no reason?

After Manu scored 32 points in his last game?

Sometimes the less dramatic interpretation is actually the more probable one.

Maybe there's no "plot" and Manu really is slightly injured.

On the other hand, maybe Manu is not so ravaged that he is out for the year.

Maybe it's just something (albeit boring) in between like McDonald suggested. :)

[MarHill]

A meeting in Detroit tomorrow seems weird.

Why will doctors travel when you can do a phone meeting ?
The whole team will talk about Manu's injury in Detroit while Manu will stay in San Antonio ?
It is the busiest day of the year for a GM with the trade deadline and RC will spend time discussing about an injury while he could do it on Friday, a quiet day ?
The MRI was done on Tuseday, why the meeting hasn't been done today ?

This meeting story really smells BS.

+1

Unless its really serious and they want to discuss in person.

[tp2021]

A meeting in Detroit tomorrow seems weird.

Why will doctors travel when you can do a phone meeting ?
The whole team will talk about Manu's injury in Detroit while Manu will stay in San Antonio ?
It is the busiest day of the year for a GM with the trade deadline and RC will spend time discussing about an injury while he could do it on Friday, a quiet day ?
The MRI was done on Tuseday, why the meeting hasn't been done today ?

This meeting story really smells BS.

So crazy it has to be some sort of ploy, or so crazy it has to be really serious?

[Cherry]

The only hope for news before 2 PM tomorrow is if Manu comes out and says something. This could all be over if Manu does an interview and says he's fine or out X amount of time.

Argentina needs to keep us updated on whether Manu has anything to say.

We know the same: nothing
I hope he post something tonight but i don't think so.

[Capt Bringdown]

I don't understand why the news about Manu's condition couldn't have been managed better. Couldn't it been kept under wraps?

The fact that it wasn't probably indicates there'll be no trades. And no title run either.

[Bartleby]

Detroit . . . that's where Dumars is . . . and where Rasheed plays!

(dreaming)

[crc21209]

And while all of this is happening....two new pieces of news in the trading dept:

Cavs And Blazers Battling For Jefferson

Though a deal is not imminent, the Cleveland Cavaliers have talked to the Milwaukee Bucks about acquiring forward Richard Jefferson, two league executives said Wednesday afternoon.

Cleveland is offering the expiring contract of Wally Szczerbiak for Jefferson, who has two years and $29.2 million left on his contract.

The Bucks have also been in talks with the Portland Trail Blazers about a package that would include Jefferson for the expiring contract of Raef Lafrentz and Travis Outlaw.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57367/20090218/cavs_and_blazers_battling_for_jefferson/

AND


Carter To Portland Outline Taking Shape

The Nets and Blazers have been discussing a Vince Carter trade, according an Eastern Conference official.

The proposed deal now is Carter, Maurice Ager and Chris Douglas-Roberts for Raef LaFrentz, Travis Outlaw and Sergio Rodriguez.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57368/20090218/carter_to_portland_outline_taking_shape/

[Brazil]

One thing is sure we don't know anything but it stinks.
Now we have a good explanation for the loss against the knicks, the team was "LOST".

[tp2021]

Detroit . . . that's where Dumars is . . . and where Rasheed plays!

(dreaming)

Maybe it's really a meeting for all the FO to wash Joe's feet and kiss his rings.

[nkdlunch]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Manu Ginobili has been ruled out of Thursday's game against the Pistons, as well as the final game of the Spurs' rodeo road trip against Washington on Saturday.

Ginobili missed Tuesday's loss at New York, remaining in San Antonio for tests and treatment on what the team has termed a sore right ankle.

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

Ginobili underwent a battery of tests Tuesday, including an MRI. Team doctors are scheduled to meet with coach Gregg Popovich, general manager R.C. Buford and athletic trainer Will Sevening on Thursday to discuss the findings.

I have ran this note through my bullshit meter. Conclusion: LOT OF BS

If they did a battery of tests and are having a meeting, it is a serious injury that threates his season.

[ElNono]

Looks like a lot of reading here but not too many tea leaves.

What if Manu's status has nothing to do with any potential Vince Carter trade? Has anybody thought about the possible fan revolt (ala David Robinson in '01) if Manu is traded for the laconic Carter? The Spurs are a very PR-conscious organization (especially in this economy).

Is NJ really so dumb that, presumably after demandng Manu in a trade, they simply conclude that he's injured because the Spurs sit him down for a game or two?

After the Spurs sat down the "Big Three" for a game a week ago for no reason?

After Manu scored 32 points in his last game?

Sometimes the less dramatic interpretation is actually the more probable one.

Maybe there's no "plot" and Manu really is slightly injured.

On the other hand, maybe Manu is not so ravaged that he is out for the year.

Maybe it's just something (albeit boring) in between like McDonald suggested. :)

Then why not just come out and simply say it? "Ginobili is slightly bruised. We did an MRI on Tuesday and it was negative. We're resting him for the rest of the RRT."...
The problem is the secrecy surrounding this whole thing... and the timing matches the trade deadline... that's why this is all very strange...

[The Truth #6]

Everything could be totally innocent but since the Spurs rarely share much with the media it's hard to be sure about anything, especially with the trade deadline looming.

Even if no one is traded, this moment carries a lot of drama. Ay yay yay...

[MarHill]

If hes out, better that we just tank the season and keep our pick. Add another top 14 pick to the big 3 next year and hope for the best. Makes no sence to even try to make the playoffs if Manu is out we will be bounced in round 2 and have no pick to show for it and now way to improve next year.


C'mon now.....

You know that's not going to happen

Let's be realistic!!!

:bang

[birdy219]

No Manu :depressed :(:cry

i hope that it is good news from the :meeting:

If not I will feel like I've been :nutkick: even though I don't have those. :lol

Praying for the best..... :toast :flag:

BTW.......Charles comes back tomorrow on TNT. I guess we won't be hearing GINOBLEEEEEEEEEE :depressed

[braeden0613]

Am I the only one refreshing spurstalk for the last 2 hours?

[timvp]

So basically at this point I guess this is where we stand:

Good News
-McDonald's source says Manu's season not in jeopardy
-Manu looked fine the last time he played
-Manu hinted at no serious injury after his last game
-Official word from the Spurs has Manu out only the next two games
-Looming trade deadline could have Spurs in ultra CIA mode

Bad News
-Sources close to the team think his injury is significant
-Other NBA teams now believe the injury is significant
-The usually talkative and accessible Manu is silent
-The odd timing of the injury announcement
-Potential trades could have Spurs not wanting to lose leverage
-The (demoralized?) play last game against the Knicks
-The MRIs and the subsequent meeting featuring everyone of importance
-The fact that the Spurs are going strong after a perimeter player via trade




I'm still hopeful. Hopefully Manu will tell us something before we all go crazy . . .

[tp2021]

So basically at this point I guess this is where we stand:

Good News
-McDonald's source says Manu's season not in jeopardy
-Manu looked fine the last time he played
-Manu hinted at no serious injury after his last game
-Official word from the Spurs has Manu out only the next two games
-Looming trade deadline could have Spurs in ultra CIA mode

Bad News
-Sources close to the team think his injury is significant
-Other NBA teams now believe the injury is significant
-The usually talkative and accessible Manu is silent
-The odd timing of the injury announcement
-Potential trades could have Spurs not wanting to lose leverage
-The (demoralized?) play last game against the Knicks
-The MRIs and the subsequent meeting featuring everyone of importance
-The fact that the Spurs are going strong after a perimeter player via trade




I'm still hopeful. Hopefully Manu will tell us something before we all go crazy . . .

I'm trying to figure if/how those things could be related somehow...

[Russ]

Then why not just come out and simply say it? "Ginobili is slightly bruised. We did an MRI on Tuesday and it was negative. We're resting him for the rest of the RRT."...
The problem is the secrecy surrounding this whole thing... and the timing matches the trade deadline... that's why this is all very strange...

Why not? Because they are, after all, the Spurs and the Spurs never say nothin 'bout injuries.

[Brazil]

I'm still hopeful. Hopefully Manu will tell us something before we all go crazy . . .

too late

[Bruno]

So crazy it has to be some sort of ploy, or so crazy it has to be really serious?

I can buy Spurs waiting the trade deadline or a second opinion before saying the extent of Manu's injury. I don't buy at all this story of a meeting on Thusrday.

[Cherry]

Am I the only one refreshing spurstalk for the last 2 hours?

No :fight

[picnroll]

Are these he same guys that read Mahinmi's MRI?

[Kori Ellis]

Are these he same guys that read Mahinmi's MRI?

:lol

[fiona_yin]

oh,no
So pathetic
God bless manu

[Brazil]

Are these he same guys that read Mahinmi's MRI?

:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

This whole thing is so weird. Why would the doctors/Pop/RC/Sevening have a meeting tomorrow? Why aren't they having one now if the tests were yesterday?

Come on Pop... this better be a trick!

[crc21209]

This has to be the most stressful/weird/frustrating trading deadline as a Spurs fan EVER. It sucks! lol.

[StoneBuddha]

I can't think Pop would, in good faith, send Manu through multiple Kendrick Perkins moving picks.

.

This is the first time since I started reading the thread that I smiled. Normally, it would've warranted to a lol.

:(

[ElNono]

We need a photoshop of the poster of 'Clear and Present Danger' with Pop's face on it...

[MarHill]

This whole thing is so weird. Why would the doctors/Pop/RC/Sevening have a meeting tomorrow? Why aren't they having one now if the tests were yesterday?

Come on Pop... this better be a trick!

He is the master of Deception, Misdirection, and Perfection!!!

:lol

[superbigtime]

Are these he same guys that read Mahinmi's MRI?

Yes, they are excellent radiologists. No imaging study is perfect. We will know soon hopefully exactly what Manu's injury is.

[Russ]

This whole thing is so weird. Why would the doctors/Pop/RC/Sevening have a meeting tomorrow? Why aren't they having one now if the tests were yesterday?


Travel time to Detroit?

[Kori Ellis]

Travel time to Detroit?

I would think they'd just have a conference call.

[timvp]

Travel time to Detroit?Wouldn't it be easier for Pop and Sevening to travel to San Antonio to meet with the doctors, RC and Manu? This is the same Pop who interrupted a road trip so he could go court Damon Stoudamire . . .

[Russ]

I would think they'd just have a conference call.

Me too. But does that qualify as a "meeting" in McDonald's mind? Maybe they have to do a "show and tell" with Xrays, etc.

[StoneBuddha]

Sounds like a stress fracture.

That would make a lot of sense. You can play through that but it's a little risky. Hence, the need for lots of disucssions.

I remember when McHale played through his stress fracture in his foot to try and win a title against the Lakers. (Believe it or not, he was once more than just a bumbling GM.) He was dam valiant, but never the same afterwards.

[bonesinaz]

Me too. But does that qualify as a "meeting" in McDonald's mind? Maybe they have to do a "show and tell" with Xrays, etc.

They can do all that via the internet. Maybe there is another reason to have them all in Detroit.

[Spurs Brazil]

Sounds like a stress fracture.

I was talking to a friend about it and he also said that

[Dex]

I'm becoming more and more hopeful that this really is some sort of ploy by the Spurs FO. Especially since I really hate to think about any of the alternatives.

The way they are handling this situation and reporting this injury doesn't coincide with how the Spurs have in the past. It seems like they are usually pretty cut and dry with their reports; I can't remember a past situation like this were nobody even knows what the hell this phantom injury is.

It seems like an awful lot of mystery and allusion to be allowed to brew over something that could be a huge blow to the season for fans. It seems like the Spurs normally would have explained more unless they are purposefully trying to hide their hand.

[Russ]

Sounds like a stress fracture.

Worst possible scenario. A stress fracture in the foot for a basketball player is likely the end.

[pkbpkb81]

:lmao:lmao
Are these he same guys that read Mahinmi's MRI?

[bonesinaz]

That would make a lot of sense. You can play through that but it's a little risky. Hence, the need for lots of disucssions.



I really don't think that Manu would be allowed by Pop or the medical staff to play on an unhealed stress fracture.

[katuso]

IT's the worst news this season if the story is ture. oh...pure f*******!
pray

[SpursFanFirst]

Dang. I don't refresh for about 30 minutes, and the thread grows by 5 pages?

[mystargtr34]

The reason the Spurs havent issued a statement in regards to the severity of the injury is most likely so that possible trading partners dont view them as desperate. If the Nets know Manu is out for the season, and the FO comes at them with a borderline offer for Carter, they no they have the Spurs by the nuts.

Hopefully they can get a deal done NOW for Carter before this news gets out. And it will probably have to include Hill - which i am fine with if Manu is indeed out for the season.

[caribbean_spur]

Geez! I come home tonight to find this! WTF! This is so depressing.
Get well Manu. (crossing fingers it is a very big intox)

[Duncan2177]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions
By Jeff McDonald on Feb 18, 2009 6:24 PM
AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Manu Ginobili has been ruled out of Thursday's game against the Pistons, as well as the final game of the Spurs' rodeo road trip against Washington on Saturday.

Ginobili missed Tuesday's loss at New York, remaining in San Antonio for tests and treatment on what the team has termed a sore right ankle.

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

Ginobili underwent a battery of tests Tuesday, including an MRI. Team doctors are scheduled to meet with coach Gregg Popovich, general manager R.C. Buford and athletic trainer Will Sevening on Thursday to discuss the findings

[Joe Schmoogins]

The reason the Spurs havent issued a statement in regards to the severity of the injury is most likely so that possible trading partners dont view them as desperate. If the Nets know Manu is out for the season, and the FO comes at them with a borderline offer for Carter, they no they have the Spurs by the nuts.

Hopefully they can get a deal done NOW for Carter before this news gets out. And it will probably have to include Hill - which i am fine with if Manu is indeed out for the season.



This makes the most sense to me...

[lefty]

It's Stern 's fault :flipoff

[crc21209]

So....would you rather give up possibly both Mason and Hill or at least one for VC?....or let Portland get him?

[ezau]

If Ginobili is out for the year, let's just stand pat and work on getting a decent pick for next year's draft. There's no point in getting VC right now, if it's still not enough to beat the Lakers in the West. Let's just wait for some offseason moves and see where it leads us.

[urunobili]

SA medical staff have already had one F$#K UP THIS season, lets hope this isnt another.
someone should get fired if that's the case

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Maybe they've gone to Detroit to pick up Rasheed Wallace from the Pistons and then tell us Ginobili is only out for two games.

:toast

[Mark in Austin]

edit: nevermind.

I'll keep hitting refresh like everybody else.


MIA

[SpursFanatic21]

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Manu-out-Injury-could-be-serious/nRSyADE59ka7atBSUQEnGQ.cspx


News 4 WOAI has confirmed that Manu Ginobili will not join the Spurs on their current road trip. Ginobili missed last night’s game in New York with a sore right ankle. There is now rampant speculation around the NBA that Ginobili’s injury may be serious. The Spurs are not giving any details. With the trade deadline tomorrow the silence may be a way of protecting any trade leverage they may have.

Ginobili’s injury is also curious. He scored 30 points in three of the six games leading up to the All-Star break including 32 against Toronto in the game before the break. He then had five days off during the All-Star break. The Spurs will only say that their medical staff is evaluating his test results and that he will not join the team for games against Detroit or Washington.




Harris wrote this as of 7:31pm tonight. Not that this sheds much light on the situation, but at least he's going with the "protecting any trade leverage" scenario as well...

[Spurs Brazil]

It's also here:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117347&page=23

[Spurs Brazil]

DAMN Look at it

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[usckk]

"Source: Ginobili injury not season-ending

The San Antonio Spurs’ delay to release any specific information about Manu Ginobili’s right ankle injury has led some opposing GMs to speculate that the injury could be serious. Delaying the announcement until after the Thursday trade deadline would help keep the Spurs from losing any leverage in their ongoing talks.

Photo One Spurs source denied Manu Ginobili’s ankle injury is potentially season-ending.
(Elsa/Getty Images)

One Spurs source said the team is still waiting on additional test results. When asked whether the injury was potentially season-ending, he said, “No, not at all.”

Spurs officials publicly announced only that Ginobili won’t join them on their road trip and their medical staff continues.

In addition to their failed pursuit of Salmons, the Spurs expressed interest in the Nets’ Carter and the Bucks’ Jefferson. One Western Conference executive acknowledged they have little chance of landing Jefferson.

Bruce Bowen has been offered in nearly every trade discussion because he’s guaranteed only $2 million next season. Center Fabricio Oberto also has a partial guarantee of $1.9 million next season.

The Spurs didn’t announce Ginobili’s absence on their trip until Monday when they were already in New York. Though Ginobili scored 32 points in a loss to the Toronto Raptors, the Spurs’ final game before the All-Star break, team officials say he had been experiencing pain in his right ankle for a while."

Source: Yahoo! Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhxNZyb05XZM8B9tqg4NGE85nYcB?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[SpursFan0728]

"Source: Ginobili injury not season-ending

The San Antonio Spurs’ delay to release any specific information about Manu Ginobili’s right ankle injury has led some opposing GMs to speculate that the injury could be serious. Delaying the announcement until after the Thursday trade deadline would help keep the Spurs from losing any leverage in their ongoing talks.

Photo One Spurs source denied Manu Ginobili’s ankle injury is potentially season-ending.
(Elsa/Getty Images)

One Spurs source said the team is still waiting on additional test results. When asked whether the injury was potentially season-ending, he said, “No, not at all.”


Source: Yahoo! Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhxNZyb05XZM8B9tqg4NGE85nYcB?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

best news so far !!

[tp2021]

SA medical staff have already had one F$#K UP THIS season, lets hope this isnt another.

That might be why they are having a meeting.

[mystargtr34]

"Source: Ginobili injury not season-ending

The San Antonio Spurs’ delay to release any specific information about Manu Ginobili’s right ankle injury has led some opposing GMs to speculate that the injury could be serious. Delaying the announcement until after the Thursday trade deadline would help keep the Spurs from losing any leverage in their ongoing talks.

Photo One Spurs source denied Manu Ginobili’s ankle injury is potentially season-ending.
(Elsa/Getty Images)

One Spurs source said the team is still waiting on additional test results. When asked whether the injury was potentially season-ending, he said, “No, not at all.”

Spurs officials publicly announced only that Ginobili won’t join them on their road trip and their medical staff continues.

In addition to their failed pursuit of Salmons, the Spurs expressed interest in the Nets’ Carter and the Bucks’ Jefferson. One Western Conference executive acknowledged they have little chance of landing Jefferson.

Bruce Bowen has been offered in nearly every trade discussion because he’s guaranteed only $2 million next season. Center Fabricio Oberto also has a partial guarantee of $1.9 million next season.

The Spurs didn’t announce Ginobili’s absence on their trip until Monday when they were already in New York. Though Ginobili scored 32 points in a loss to the Toronto Raptors, the Spurs’ final game before the All-Star break, team officials say he had been experiencing pain in his right ankle for a while."

Source: Yahoo! Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhxNZyb05XZM8B9tqg4NGE85nYcB?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

But you would expect them to say its not serious.

[lurker23]

One Spurs source said the team is still waiting on additional test results. When asked whether the injury was potentially season-ending, he said, “No, not at all.”


Obviously we're all trained to look out for the Spurs CIA maneuvers, but if you took them solely at their word, you'd think they're debating whether this injury will keep him out 1 game or 1 month.

[jag]

Tomorrow afternoon can't come soon enough. I have a feeling that all trade talks will fall through and the Spurs will wind up with a busted Manu and a busted season.

[Russ]

The reason the Spurs havent issued a statement in regards to the severity of the injury is most likely so that possible trading partners dont view them as desperate. If the Nets know Manu is out for the season, and the FO comes at them with a borderline offer for Carter, they no they have the Spurs by the nuts.

Hopefully they can get a deal done NOW for Carter before this news gets out. And it will probably have to include Hill - which i am fine with if Manu is indeed out for the season.


If Ginobili is out for the year, let's just stand pat and work on getting a decent pick for next year's draft. There's no point in getting VC right now, if it's still not enough to beat the Lakers in the West. Let's just wait for some offseason moves and see where it leads us.

I agree more with the second take. I don't think the Spurs would hide an injury to avoid appearing desperate and get a trade done.

If Ginobili is seriously injured, I think the Spurs realize that they can't win now. They circle the wagons and look to next year. They don't take a plunge and take on a big salary risk when they are in a moment of crisis and, perhaps, not thinking clearly before all the info is available.

[Spurs Brazil]

One Spurs source said the team is still waiting on additional test results. When asked whether the injury was potentially season-ending, he said, “No, not at all.”

If it was Ludden I'd say this is true and it's not season-ending but since it's Adrian Wojnarowski I'd rather wait a little bit more

[Galileo]

I've got the scoop! The injuy is very minor, they are just resting Manu.

[xtremesteven33]

HOW DID MANU GET HURT???!!!!



The million dollar question.

[timvp]

One Spurs source said the team is still waiting on additional test results. When asked whether the injury was potentially season-ending, he said, “No, not at all.”Interesting pair of back-to-back sentences. Hopefully it's accurate although wanting additional tests run on a minor injury that has no chance of being a season-ender? Not overly common.



Spurs officials publicly announced only that Ginobili won’t join them on their road trip and their medical staff continues.Good to know the "medical staff continues". Is Pop himself writing these articles?

[Galileo]

Manu is not out for the season. Pop is pissed that Manu is not telling him about every little acky pain, so CIA Pop sat him down for the rodeo road trip, and is giving him new strict orders.

[Kori Ellis]

"No, not at all." better be true.

No Manu=No shot at a title.

Come on, 2pm Thursday!

[xtremesteven33]

Maybe the thread title should be changed.....


"Manu injury or CIA Pop?"

[Shastafarian]

"No, not at all." better be true.

No Manu=No shot at a title.

Come on, 2pm Thursday!

I'm taking my some melatonin tonight so I sleep right on through to 2 pm!

[ploto]

Why do you think Buck wrote his article TODAY of all days telling fans why a trade for Carter might be a good idea?

[mystargtr34]

I agree more with the second take. I don't think the Spurs would hide an injury to avoid appearing desperate and get a trade done.

If Ginobili is seriously injured, I think the Spurs realize that they can't win now. They circle the wagons and look to next year. They don't take a plunge and take on a big salary risk when they are in a moment of crisis and, perhaps, not thinking clearly before all the info is available.

I dont think the Spurs can afford to waste another year of Duncan's semi prime. Hes 33 this year. By the time next seasons playoffs roll around he will be 34 with well over 1000 games on the clock.

If the Spurs thinking was that they could compete for a championship with a healthy big 3, then acquiring a guy of the same caliber of a Manu, like a Carter or a Jefferson, has to make them believe they can still contend. If Manu comes back healthy during the season, then thats a bonus.

And what do you mean by tank? Sit Duncan and Parker for the rest of the season? That would cause an outrage, and Stern would almost certaintly order the Spurs to play the two.

If Duncan and Parker continue to play, the Spurs probably limp along at about .550% pace and finish the season at about 50-32 and a first round exit. Or finish 9th and end up with a low lottery pick in a weak draft, who probably wont contribute until Duncan is out of the league.

[Bruno]

Interesting pair of back-to-back sentences. Hopefully it's accurate although wanting additional tests run on a minor injury that has no chance of being a season-ender? Not overly common.


Well, Manu's injury is likely ankle related. It's possible that Spurs want to be really careful about it.
It would be really understandable given all the trouble they have had recently with ankle injuries (Parker, Mahinmi and Ginobili's other ankle)

[Russ]

And what do you mean by tank? Sit Duncan and Parker for the rest of the season? That would cause an outrage, and Stern would almost certaintly order the Spurs to play the two.

Nobody said anything about tanking. The Spurs will shoot for the stars with Duncan and Parker this year (and every other).

It's just that the Spurs may like their chances better over the next 2-3 years without Carter's salary in the mix.

[picnroll]

Wild ass theory to add to other wild ass theories.

Teams might be more willing to give the Spurs an impact player if they thought they weren't likely to be major playoff contenders, hence making Manu seem doubtful for the season would make a team more inclined to trade to the team that kills NBA TV revenue like no other.

[justinandimcool]

I wonder if people realize that of all possible scenarios, TANKING is the most unrealistic? This is a prideful organization with, I don't know, 2 of the best players in the game.........they couldn't tank even if they wanted to.

[Holt's Cat]

Wild ass theory to add to other wild ass theories.

Teams might be more willing to give the Spurs an impact player if they thought they weren't likely to be major playoff contenders, hence making Manu seem doubtful for the season would make a team more inclined to trade to the team that kills NBA TV revenue like no other.

That's already been posited.

[ploto]

If Manu is definitely not going to play the next couple of games and the inury is not thought to be that serious, then why the need for a meeting TOMORROW of all days- the trade deadline. Seems more like they want to see if it as serious as feared so they know and can make a trade.

[Hemotivo]

:reading

[timvp]

If Manu is definitely not going to play the next couple of games and the inury is not thought to be that serious, then why the need for a meeting TOMORROW of all days- the trade deadline. Seems more like they want to see if it as serious as feared so they know and can make a trade.Sounds plausible :depressed

[ploto]

Sounds plausible :depressed

Just trying to figure out the need for a big pow wow tomorrow- if true- even including RC!

[GSH]

Here are a few scenarios:

1. They have had a deal pending to trade him, but have been hammering out the details. The couldn't risk him getting hurt in the last few days prior to the trade, so they sat him. The "sore ankle" was just an excuse for tossing off a few games while they wait for the trade to be completed.

2. Similar to 1, the tests are so that the acquiring team will feel safe taking him in a trade. Since he had recent surgery, no deal can be completed without extensive tests showing that he is healthy.

3. It's just what it looks like - he has a sore ankle. The team is trying to make the most informed decision on how to handle his playing time, to give them the best chance in the playoffs. They can't fully evaluate that until after the trade deadline has passed. If they can acquire another player, it might make it easier to give Manu a longer rest. If they can't, they might have to gamble and bring him back sooner. Until they know all the details, they are using the AllStar break to give him some extended time off as a precaution.

4. They have a deal to trade him, and then get him back - like the Brent Barry deal. The sore ankle is the justification for why the acquiring team will cut him. I know, I know... it's a Fantasy Island scenario. But I always liked that little Tatu guy.

[Russ]

If Manu is definitely not going to play the next couple of games and the inury is not thought to be that serious, then why the need for a meeting TOMORROW of all days- the trade deadline. Seems more like they want to see if it as serious as feared so they know and can make a trade.

If so, the meeting would likely be secret and not disclosed in the Express-News.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

The fact that this news is breaking the way it is with the trade deadline tomorrow can't just be a coincidence.

There is more to this story than is being made public, for sure. A deal is definitely trying to be made. What if Tony's part of the equation, and Pop uses Manu's not being able to pass a physical as the reason why he wasn't traded instead.

Trade Parker and parts for (insert big name player here) since fans in SA are the least endeared to Tony.

I can't imagine Pop breaking up the Big 3, especially moving the youngest part, but Tony is the most trade worthy player on the team and TD's window of opportunity only has a handful of years left on it.





Ed Helicopter Jones










Check.

[Kori Ellis]

Just trying to figure out the need for a big pow wow tomorrow- if true- even including RC!

Yeah that's what is perplexing to me. I just don't see the need for a meeting about a non-serious injury on a gameday that is also the trade deadline day.

Like I said a few times in this thread, I'll just keep hoping that Manu is just missing a couple weeks.

[MarHill]

Here are a few scenarios:

1. They have had a deal pending to trade him, but have been hammering out the details. The couldn't risk him getting hurt in the last few days prior to the trade, so they sat him. The "sore ankle" was just an excuse for tossing off a few games while they wait for the trade to be completed.

2. Similar to 1, the tests are so that the acquiring team will feel safe taking him in a trade. Since he had recent surgery, no deal can be completed without extensive tests showing that he is healthy.

3. It's just what it looks like - he has a sore ankle. The team is trying to make the most informed decision on how to handle his playing time, to give them the best chance in the playoffs. They can't fully evaluate that until after the trade deadline has passed. If they can acquire another player, it might make it easier to give Manu a longer rest. If they can't, they might have to gamble and bring him back sooner. Until they know all the details, they are using the AllStar break to give him some extended time off as a precaution.

4. They have a deal to trade him, and then get him back - like the Brent Barry deal. The sore ankle is the justification for why the acquiring team will cut him. I know, I know... it's a Fantasy Island scenario. But I always liked that little Tatu guy.

I know you were giving out scenarios.....but the Spurs are not and were not trading Manu.

That's been confirmed by Timvp on this thread earlier.

[Manufan909]

Holy fuck, that took forever to read. And I have a 80 minute class at 2 pm tomo,FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! I just wanted Sheed and only a little bit of drama.:dperessed

Since Manu is at least out 2 more days, I hope Hairston averages 15 MPG, Pop needs to give him a chance.

[Kori Ellis]

Trade Parker and parts for (insert big name player here) since fans in SA are the least endeared to Tony.

I don't think Pop cares who the fans are endeared to. :lol

[urunobili]

the Big three will retire Spurs....

[Cry Havoc]

I've got the scoop! The injuy is very minor, they are just resting Manu.

If you are not absolutely correct with this statement, I hope Kori and TimVP permanently ban your IP address.

[xtremesteven33]

Its gonna take a HELL of a offer for Pop to trade Manu....one HELL of an offer.

[Summers]

The fact that this news is breaking the way it is with the trade deadline tomorrow can't just be a coincidence.

There is more to this story than is being made public, for sure. A deal is definitely trying to be made. What if Tony's part of the equation, and Pop uses Manu's not being able to pass a physical as the reason why he wasn't traded instead.

Trade Parker and parts for (insert big name player here) since fans in SA are the least endeared to Tony.

I can't imagine Pop breaking up the Big 3, especially moving the youngest part, but Tony is the most trade worthy player on the team and TD's window of opportunity only has a handful of years left on it.





Ed Helicopter Jones










Check.

Funny, I was just thinking we haven't heard from SPAM in a while, have we? Maybe SPAM has some words of wisdom.

[Kori Ellis]

Its gonna take a HELL of a offer for Pop to trade Manu....one HELL of a offer.

I agree. And I don't think that offer exists.

[Ice009]

hmm TP would not be in any trade discussions.

[Russ]

Here are a few scenarios:

1. They have had a deal pending to trade him, but have been hammering out the details. The couldn't risk him getting hurt in the last few days prior to the trade, so they sat him. The "sore ankle" was just an excuse for tossing off a few games while they wait for the trade to be completed.

No way they trade Ginobili.



2. Similar to 1, the tests are so that the acquiring team will feel safe taking him in a trade. Since he had recent surgery, no deal can be completed without extensive tests showing that he is healthy.

No way they trade Ginobili.


3. It's just what it looks like - he has a sore ankle. The team is trying to make the most informed decision on how to handle his playing time, to give them the best chance in the playoffs. They can't fully evaluate that until after the trade deadline has passed. If they can acquire another player, it might make it easier to give Manu a longer rest. If they can't, they might have to gamble and bring him back sooner. Until they know all the details, they are using the AllStar break to give him some extended time off as a precaution.

Maybe, makes some sense.



4. They have a deal to trade him, and then get him back - like the Brent Barry deal. The sore ankle is the justification for why the acquiring team will cut him. I know, I know... it's a Fantasy Island scenario. But I always liked that little Tatu guy.

No way they trade Ginobili.

[Shastafarian]

Obviously the meeting is about the Spurs trading Parker. See, they're meeting with Manu because now he'll have to become the main ball handler on the team. Parker looked dejected last night because he knows he's being traded and tried to lower his value by shooting 5/20. The ankle injury is just a coincidence and Manu will be fine.


DUH!!!!

[rascal]

I'm trying to think of a motive but I just can't piece one together. The only thing I can think of is that teams are asking for Manu so by saying Manu is out for the season, teams won't pressure the Spurs for him.

But that's a gargantuan stretch and makes little sense.


I'll say that is a stretch. All the spurs have to say is that Manu is not on the table for any trades, no need for anything else.

[MarHill]

Its gonna take a HELL of a offer for Pop to trade Manu....one HELL of an offer.


Lebron or D-Wade or Kobe are probably the only three the Spurs would trade Manu for.

[Kori Ellis]

If you are not absolutely correct with this statement, I hope Kori and TimVP permanently ban your IP address.

:lol

The stories are so conflicting. So far today I have heard (from fairly reliable people):

"Manu is most likely out for the year."

"They are just resting Manu for the road trip and doing further tests."

"Manu is injured. Hopefully he's out for just a few weeks."

[MarHill]

Obviously the meeting is about the Spurs trading Parker. See, they're meeting with Manu because now he'll have to become the main ball handler on the team. Parker looked dejected last night because he knows he's being traded and tried to lower his value by shooting 5/20. The ankle injury is just a coincidence and Manu will be fine.


DUH!!!!

Don't be silly!

The Spurs are not trading TP either!

:bang

[ploto]

Yeah that's what is perplexing to me. I just don't see the need for a meeting about a non-serious injury on a gameday that is also the trade deadline day.

Only other idea I have is that this supposed meeting about Manu's ankle is a smokescreen for the real reason Pop will be in SA tomorrow- if indeed he is actually going to be in SA.

[xtremesteven33]

I agree. And I don't think that offer exists.



Yea unless Its something like..

Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince.....or something like that....Something so enticing that Pop would do it.

[Kori Ellis]

Only other idea I have is that this supposed meeting about Manu's ankle is a smokescreen for the real reason Pop will be in SA tomorrow- if indeed he is actually going to be in SA.

They don't say that he's going to be in SA - or if Doctors/RC are going to Detroit. To me, it could be just a phone meeting.. who knows.

[lefty]

:lol

The stories are so conflicting. So far today I have heard (from fairly reliable people):

"Manu is most likely out for the year."

"They are just resting Manu for the road trip and doing further tests."

"Manu is injured. Hopefully he's out for just a few weeks."

Maybe he's pregnant

[Holt's Cat]

There's perhaps 5 players in the NBA for who I would deal Ginobili. Those aren't available.

[Russ]

Its gonna take a HELL of a offer for Pop to trade Manu....one HELL of an offer.

Offer? No way.

Photographic negatives? Maybe.

[crc21209]

Its just too weird that all of this Manu injured or not too injured is happening and the trade deadline is tomorrow, and the Spurs play the Pistons tomorrow...hmmm.....Just too many things going thru my head.

[nkdlunch]

I've got the scoop! The injuy is very minor, they are just resting Manu.


Manu is not out for the season. Pop is pissed that Manu is not telling him about every little acky pain, so CIA Pop sat him down for the rodeo road trip, and is giving him new strict orders.

How do you possibly have the scoop??

I can see something like this happening. Pop blowing up at doctors and Manu because they had been "hiding" the fact that Manu is injured. He probably told the doctors to get their shit straight and find out what exactly is going on.

I hope it's something like this and injury is indeed minor. Would make sense everyone keeping quiet at Pop blowing up.

[timvp]

Ed Helicopter Jones










Check.
:lmao

[tomtom]

I've got the scoop! The injuy is very minor, they are just resting Manu.

Source. Now.

[Cry Havoc]

Yea unless Its something like..

Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince.....or something like that....Something so enticing that Pop would do it.

Um.... isn't this Manu's last year of contract?

So maybe the Spurs trade Manu to someone for the remainder of the season and then resign him during the free agency period?

At this point, anything is possible. But I'm going to go the middle road with... Manu is hurt for the next month or two, and we don't trade anyone.

[lurker23]

People keep saying things about "2 p.m.," but I think everyone should be braced to wait until 6 or 7 p.m., especially on injury news. Even though we've created this magical time frame based on the trade deadline, sometimes trades don't get absolutely finalized until the evening. Also, just because the Spurs COULD announce Manu's status at 2:01, it's just as likely that they announce it at 5 p.m..

Thankfully I'll be at 8,500 feet tomorrow afternoon and not on SpursTalk. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

People keep saying things about "2 p.m.," but I think everyone should be braced to wait until 6 or 7 p.m., especially on injury news. Even though we've created this magical time frame based on the trade deadline, sometimes trades don't get absolutely finalized until the evening. Also, just because the Spurs COULD announce Manu's status at 2:01, it's just as likely that they announce it at 5 p.m..

Thankfully I'll be at 8,500 feet tomorrow afternoon and not on SpursTalk. :lol


Or not announce it at all tomorrow :lol

[spursfan09]

Ginobili ankle injury raises questions (http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/)
By Jeff McDonald

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Manu Ginobili has been ruled out of Thursday's game against the Pistons, as well as the final game of the Spurs' rodeo road trip against Washington on Saturday.

Ginobili missed Tuesday's loss at New York, remaining in San Antonio for tests and treatment on what the team has termed a sore right ankle.

The Spurs did not disclose the scope and severity of his injury Wednesday. A source within the organization says the injury in not considered a threat to end Ginobili's season.

Ginobili underwent a battery of tests Tuesday, including an MRI. Team doctors are scheduled to meet with coach Gregg Popovich, general manager R.C. Buford and athletic trainer Will Sevening on Thursday to discuss the findings.


Ugh?? Ok! Happy to hear this if that "in" is suppose to be the word "is"

[GSH]

I know you were giving out scenarios.....but the Spurs are not and were not trading Manu.

That's been confirmed by Timvp on this thread earlier.


Okay, how about this one?


Manu's ankle has been hurting for a while. He contacted an outside doctor, without telling the team. And, being Manu, he has continued to play on it. Management found out about it, and they are pissed. (And concerned, of course.) They have ordered him to sit until they can complete extensive testing, performed by their own physicians, and evaluate the results to their own satisfaction.

You have to admit that all of that is plausible. Not saying that's what happened... but it could have. And if he played hurt without letting them know, they might be more inclined to talk trade.

I'm just saying that there are a lot of possibilities other than a stress fracture.

[picnroll]

Maybe the doctors just want to get Pop's opinion on the MRI.

[MarHill]

Um.... isn't this Manu's last year of contract?

So many the Spurs trade Manu to someone for the remainder of the season and then resign him during the free agency period?

At this point, anything is possible. But I'm going to go the middle road with... Manu is hurt for the next month or two, and we don't trade anyone.

I guess I have to repeat myself....

The Spurs are not trading Manu..period!!!

[nkdlunch]

Also, the meeting tomorrow is probably Pop's dictation of his new strict orders. He will show up with 2 stone slabs

[Cry Havoc]

I guess I have to repeat myself....

The Spurs are not trading Manu..period!!!

Which is what I said at the end of my post. Thanks.

[Kori Ellis]

Manu always talks about his bangs, bruises and hurts. So I don't think he's been hiding any injury from the Spurs and Pop found out and is pissed. :lol

[Shastafarian]

Manu always talks about his bangs, bruises and hurts. So I don't think he's been hiding any injury from the Spurs and Pop found out and is pissed. :lol

I thought and was hoping this was gonna be about his hair.

[mystargtr34]

I think theres about 30 players the Spurs would trade Manu for.

[Kori Ellis]

I thought and was hoping this was gonna be about his hair.

Maybe he's getting hair implants or at least corn rows.

[MarHill]

Okay, how about this one?


Manu's ankle has been hurting for a while. He contacted an outside doctor, without telling the team. And, being Manu, he has continued to play on it. Management found out about it, and they are pissed. (And concerned, of course.) They have ordered him to sit until they can complete extensive testing, performed by their own physicians, and evaluate the results to their own satisfaction.

You have to admit that all of that is plausible. Not saying that's what happened... but it could have. And if he played hurt without letting them know, they might be more inclined to talk trade.

I'm just saying that there are a lot of possibilities other than a stress fracture.

I will agree there are other possiblities.....but trading Manu is not one of them!

The FO have decided to built this team around the Big 3 and it has the most successful franchise since 2003.

I know Manu's injuries are a concern to the FO and us Spurs fans. But, this team really believes that have a shot at another title and will give everything they can to get it.

Trading Manu (unless getting D-Wade or Kobe) which will never happen isn't a possibility to break up the trio!!

[anjlbitz]

Also, the meeting tomorrow is probably Pop's dictation of his new strict orders. He will show up with 2 stone slabs

:lmao

[Russ]

The morning line:

Manu is seriously injured and the Spurs make a big trade -- 20/1.

Manu is seriously injured and the Spurs don't make a big trade -- 15/1.

Manu is not seriously injured and the Spurs make a big trade -- 10/1.

Manu is not seriously injured and the Spurs don't make a big trade -- 1/3.

Manu is not seriously injured and the Spurs make a small trade -- 1/5 (smart money pouring in).

[lurker23]

The morning line:

Manu is seriously injured and the Spurs make a big trade -- 20/1.

Manu is seriously injured and the Spurs don't make a big trade -- 15/1.

Manu is not seriously injured and the Spurs make a big trade -- 10/1.

Manu is not seriously injured and the Spurs don't make a big trade -- 1/3.

Manu is not seriously injured and the Spurs make a small trade -- 1/5 (smart money pouring in).

:tu Sounds about right.

I'd place money on that 1/5 odds. The more and more reports start coming in tonight, the more I think we'll see the Spurs trade expiring contracts for a big man making $4-8 million over the next 2 years.

[nkdlunch]

Bad news travels fast, terrible news never arrive after bad news :smokin

[GSH]

Manu always talks about his bangs, bruises and hurts. So I don't think he's been hiding any injury from the Spurs and Pop found out and is pissed. :lol

It's not as far-fetched as you might think. I remember a football player doing the same thing back in the 80's, and the fallout with his team was intense.

He talks about his bangs and bruises. He also downplays how badly he is hurting, so that he can stay on the court. He played in the Olympics, when he probably shouldn't have. He's a warrior, you know that. But the decision about how serious any injury might be belongs to the team.

Remember the doctor who did the surgery is in L.A. If, for instance, Manu had any sort of discussions with him without involving the team, they would have a fit. And with good reason.

Again, not saying it did happen. Just that it would fit with everything we are seeing and reading.

[ploto]

To have even one reliable source who says they think it could be serious is enough for me to believe there is a valid concern.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

To have even one reliable source who says they think it could be serious is enough for me to believe there is a valid concern.

I secretly think you're a closet Spurs fan!

[completely deck]

Maybe he's getting hair implants or at least corn rows.

I can confirm this.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/747/manuns9.gif

[ezau]

I can confirm this.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/747/manuns9.gif

hahaha. He looks like Delonte West:blah

[MarHill]

hahaha. He looks like Delonte West:blah

Yes he does!!

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Summers]

Maybe he's getting hair implants or at least corn rows.

That would be a bad look for someone with his bone structure.

[tp2021]

That would be a bad look for someone with his bone structure.

He must have terrible bone structure in his ankles.

:depressed

[Spurtacus]

The OP is depressing. I don't feel like reading through the entire thread...

[KaiRMD1]

Man I hope he gets better. If not, Bonner's gonna have to start being consistent

[Fabbs]

Maybe he's getting hair implants or at least corn rows.
Would someone please do a photochop of this? :lol

[tp2021]

Man I hope he gets better. If not, Finley's gonna have to start being consistent

fify

[SequSpur]

I am reading these news articles and they don't say anything. I even heard on espn ticker earlier that Kori Ellis in San Antonio is reporting that Ginobili is out for the season....

:lmao

How would you know that? mysa.com articles aren't out til midnight.. :lmao

just kiddin... :lol

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Wow, if Ginobili is done, we are fools for not trading him in early 07.

Hope he's okay, best of luck to him, especially hope this is nothing health-related.

[GaryJohnston]

Hel'll be back.

[Holt's Cat]

This is going to be a recurring issue with Ginobili. The Spurs better not dick around with the remainder of TD's career.

[K-State Spur]

Wow, if Ginobili is done, we are fools for not trading him in early 07.

Hope he's okay, best of luck to him, especially hope this is nothing health-related.

there's nothing "foolish" about continuing to ride a threesome that has netted you 3 titles. it may not get you a 4th, but that doesn't mean that it was foolish.

also, given that the impact of manu's game has always been bigger than his numbers, i have severe doubts that the Spurs could have netted equal value for him if they did shop him.

[Austin_Toros]

looks like someone should have got VC...

[Rapper]

:wow

May God bless him

[flipcritic]

Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports is reporting, from a source of course, that Manu's injury isn't season ending -> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiUaOR6RwjOrmanwXoPjbN.8vLYF?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[dbreiden83080]

Praying and Praying and Praying he is alright..

[completely deck]

Would someone please do a photochop of this? :lol


I can confirm this.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/747/manuns9.gif

:toast

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

I wonder if Ludden was the one that wrote the yahoo article about not being out?

[TwAnKiEs]

Poor Manu... :sick


http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9528/manuprevisornx8em0.jpg

[yixiangmanu]

Wow, if Ginobili is done, we are fools for not trading him in early 07.

Hope he's okay, best of luck to him, especially hope this is nothing health-related.

If we cannot fight at the final this year to win the odd year champion.

we are fools for not trading the GDP&pop TO NEW YORK for the 2010

For me, not a san antonian

I would rather trade the whole team than trade one of our spurs

[bigdog]

If we cannot fight at the final this year to win the odd year champion.

we are fools for not trading the GDP&pop TO NEW YORK for the 2010

For me, not a san antonian

I would rather trade the whole team than trade one of our spurs

For your first post, I'd have to say you have failed.

[mystargtr34]

Lol

[deadratsam]

What if like lefty suggested he really is pregnant?!?

And this becomes like some episode of House and they can't remove the baby because it could harm him, but they have to do something because the baby fluid is leaking into his ankle and causing injuries?

[timvp]

I wonder if Ludden was the one that wrote the yahoo article about not being out?Unfortunately it wasn't.

[Mugen]

What if like lefty suggested he really is pregnant?!?

And this becomes like some episode of House and they can't remove the baby because it could harm him, but they have to do something because the baby fluid is leaking into his ankle and causing injuries?

it's probably lupus.

[Deimosfobos]

Ok... this post made a bad day even worst... i'll cry myself to sleep now :(

[The_Game]

i'm not a big fan of manu but hope he is ok

anymore news?

[Manufan909]

fify

What does fify mean?

[EricB]

at 2:30 in the morning? I doubt it.

[EricB]

What does fify mean?

Fixed it for you

[Manufan909]

Thanks.:toast

[baseline bum]

i'm not a big fan of manu but hope he is ok

anymore news?

Most Laker fans aren't.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:pctoss

Dammit!

Poor Manu, poor Spurs.

Get better soon, hombre.

[jiggy_55]

Unfortunately it wasn't.

The updated Yahoo article now includes Johnny Ludden's name at the top.. Maybe it was the other updated articles that were added afterwards that were written by him, or maybe its cuz he's the source of the Manu news?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgnW68clO7GVJ2C0Sh4EokK8vLYF?slug=ys-tradebuzz021909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[MannyIsGod]

Thats gotta be a Ludden snippet then. I can't imagine someone out scooping him on the Spurs. God damn I miss Ludden.

[GSH]

it's probably lupus.

1. It's never lupus.

2. Everybody lies.

[cherylsteele]

No, he's implying a serious injury that might not be his ankle.
An ACL injury?

[ECZ]

:depressed

[silverblackfan]

Bah! He's going to be alright, it's just Pop being extra careful with Manu and trying to keep him off the trade table as a bonus.
The real news is Shaq to Cleveland...
Boston would crap bricks!

[Red Hawk #21]

Damn I really thought the Spurs had a legit shot at winning it all this season, maybe his injury is just being exaggerated though.

[jiggy_55]

Has this been posted?

A Manu update (sort of)
By Jeff McDonald on Feb 19, 2009 10:33 AM | Permalink | Comments (0)

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Talked to Gregg Popovich at shootaround this morning about Manu Ginobili, his latest ankle injury and what it might mean going forward.

Ginobili has undergone a battery of tests. Now all that's left is to diagnose the results and come up with a plan of action.

"I could give you really good specifics tonight," Popovich said. "The doctors have done all the testing they want to do, so that's done. They're getting together as we speak, trying to evaluate what does that mean and what are we going to do. We'll have the answer to that by game time."

That's what will pass for a Ginobili medical update until tonight. In all likelihood, Ginobili will be prescribed a healthy dose of rest. He is not on the Spurs current road trip.

One other tidbit gleaned from shootaround: The ankle had apparently began bothering Ginobili in the Spurs' overtime victory at Golden State on Feb. 2.

"He just felt some pain in it during the Golden State game," Popovich said. "It sort of just didn't go away."

It is a bit disconcerting that the All-Star break didn't cure Ginobili's soreness. As the E-N reported yesterday, a source within the organization said the injury is not expected to threaten Ginobili's season.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/a-manu-update-s.html

[JoshO501]

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/a-manu-update-s.html



dont know if this has been posted or not.

[Spurs Brazil]

"I could give you really good specifics tonight," Popovich said. "The doctors have done all the testing they want to do, so that's done. They're getting together as we speak, trying to evaluate what does that mean and what are we going to do. We'll have the answer to that by game time."

I hope this will be a big CIA move

[Mavs<Spurs]

Has this been posted?

A Manu update (sort of)
By Jeff McDonald on Feb 19, 2009 10:33 AM | Permalink | Comments (0)

AUBURN HILLS, Mich. -- Talked to Gregg Popovich at shootaround this morning about Manu Ginobili, his latest ankle injury and what it might mean going forward.

Ginobili has undergone a battery of tests. Now all that's left is to diagnose the results and come up with a plan of action.

"I could give you really good specifics tonight," Popovich said. "The doctors have done all the testing they want to do, so that's done. They're getting together as we speak, trying to evaluate what does that mean and what are we going to do. We'll have the answer to that by game time."

That's what will pass for a Ginobili medical update until tonight. In all likelihood, Ginobili will be prescribed a healthy dose of rest. He is not on the Spurs current road trip.

One other tidbit gleaned from shootaround: The ankle had apparently began bothering Ginobili in the Spurs' overtime victory at Golden State on Feb. 2.

"He just felt some pain in it during the Golden State game," Popovich said. "It sort of just didn't go away."

It is a bit disconcerting that the All-Star break didn't cure Ginobili's soreness. As the E-N reported yesterday, a source within the organization said the injury is not expected to threaten Ginobili's season.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/a-manu-update-s.html

This sounds like the best case scenario.

and I kind of guessed this scenario from before.

It sounds like it will be a persistent and recurring problem this year.
Exploratory surgery like with Mahinmi might be necessary at the end of this season if Manu wants to play healthy next year.

And we probably won't be able to count on a healthy Manu this year which means we do need another big time player.

[timvp]

"I could give you really good specifics tonight," Popovich said. "The doctors have done all the testing they want to do, so that's done. They're getting together as we speak, trying to evaluate what does that mean and what are we going to do. We'll have the answer to that by game time."Pop actually admits to pulling a CIA Pop maneuver? :lol

If it's minor, why not just tell us now? Why????????????? :depressed

And still no word from Manu has me worried.

Hopefully the CIA Pop ploy is just to keep Manu off the market.

[StoneBuddha]

Things seem eerily quiet now on all fronts... both on Ginobili and trades. Man, I don't think I've ever been this amped up before a trade deadline.

I'm still hoping for good news but I starting to resign myself to other possibilties.

[K-State Spur]

1. It's never lupus.

2. Everybody lies.

thank you gregory :)

[K-State Spur]

looks like someone should have got VC...

if Manu's out, the spurs wouldn't win the title even with VC replacing him - especially if that means giving up mason and hill.

[thispego]

Pop actually admits to pulling a CIA Pop maneuver? :lol

If it's minor, why not just tell us now? Why????????????? :depressed

And still no word from Manu has me worried.

Hopefully the CIA Pop ploy is just to keep Manu off the market.

timvp why are you doing this? is it sweeps week for mmessage boards? why are you creating all this hooplah?

[2Cleva]

timvp why are you doing this? is it sweeps week for mmessage boards? why are you creating all this hooplah?

:lol I've been thinking the same thing.

We are in a recession after all.

[thispego]

help us baby jeebus

[Mavs<Spurs]

Reality = Spurs don't make major trades.

Reality = Manu will be persistently injured and thus an inconsistent contributor the rest of this year.

Reality = Holt wants to make money and is in this to make a profit. If he can make a bigger profit if the Spurs are bad and a smaller profit if the Spurs are good, then he will choose the bad Spurs. It's all about the Benjamins.

Reality = I still love the Spurs and appreciate what they have won, but know that they need another big time player to compete for a championship given Manu's injuries and in light of Tim and Tony's limited window together.


It's a basketball mistake, but if Holt isn't thinking about basketball then it may be a financial victory for him.

I wish the Spurs would go out and get a big time player and try for one last championship now while they still have the opportunity.

Waiting for 2010 is waiting until Tim is 34 and Manu is done.

[TMTTRIO]

It sounds like what happened with his other ankle and he's just going to have to play through it and rest it as much as possible between games. It's just weird that he had all those great games after this ankle soreness came up.

[ploto]

Obviously it is not minor if it needs all this analysis and discussion about what to do.

[zinagray]

I hope this isn't true!! I was so hoping to see him again at the Clippers game!!

Get well Manu!!!

[VaSpursFan]

Hopefully the CIA Pop ploy is just to keep Manu off the market.

this is what my gut tells me. i think teams were wanting any potential trade deals to include manu. all of a sudden this injury pops up...the timing is curious.

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs did not want to trade Gino, why not just say no? I highly doubt that a team asking for Ginobili would except Mason+Hill instead. If they were willing to do that, they would just say so. Also, it has been reported that the Spurs will not offer up Mason+Hill in trades.

So no Gino, no Mason and no Hill???

[mexicanjunior]

this is what my gut tells me. i think teams were wanting any potential trade deals to include manu. all of a sudden this injury pops up...the timing is curious.

That is an idiotic move if true (phantom injury), having Manu Tuesday would have given the Spurs a much better chance to beat the Knicks...

[Galileo]

If you are not absolutely correct with this statement, I hope Kori and TimVP permanently ban your IP address.

Galileo has been proven correct, as usual. Manu is not out for the season.

Whoever started the rumors against Manu should be shunned.

[phxspurfan]

Epic Spurs-FO-spreading-lies-about-Manu-to-try-and-land-VC fail?

[Galileo]

Source. Now.

Source: Ginobili injury not season-ending
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiUaOR6RwjOrmanwXoPjbN.8vLYF?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[timvp]

Source: Ginobili injury not season-ending
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiUaOR6RwjOrmanwXoPjbN.8vLYF?slug=aw-tradebuzz021709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
I won't believe anything until after the trade deadline when Pop addresses the media before the Pistons game.

[Galileo]

How do you possibly have the scoop??

I can see something like this happening. Pop blowing up at doctors and Manu because they had been "hiding" the fact that Manu is injured. He probably told the doctors to get their shit straight and find out what exactly is going on.

I hope it's something like this and injury is indeed minor. Would make sense everyone keeping quiet at Pop blowing up.

Galileo has been vindicated!@#$%^&*()_+

:-)

:lol

[DPG21920]

Dude this makes no sense to leak a fake injury because apparently the Nets are willing to do the deal without any of the big 3. It is the Spurs wanting to be financially responsible and also not willing to give up Mason+Hill.

[Bruno]

A lot of reports are now saying that the injury isn't season ending. The situation doesn't look as dark as a couple of days ago.

[neboat]

If the Spurs did not want to trade Gino, why not just say no? I highly doubt that a team asking for Ginobili would except Mason+Hill instead. If they were willing to do that, they would just say so. Also, it has been reported that the Spurs will not offer up Mason+Hill in trades.

So no Gino, no Mason and no Hill???

Maybe by saying Manu is hurt, it increases the perceived value of Hill and Mason.

[Galileo]

A lot of reports are now saying that the injury isn't season ending. The situation doesn't look as dark as a couple of days ago.

I agree. The people here need to use their brains. If you are smart enough to figure out that the Spurs are the # 1 sports franchise in America, you should be smart enough to figure out that Manu is not out for the season.

Some of you have been duped by media spin. This happens all the time in politics, where the candidates never get a chance to win on the basketball court, and instead everything just decays into irrational arguing.

But we are Spurs fans. We have already overcome all the media bias against the Spurs and against Tim Duncan, the same mass media that shoves Kobe, Shaq and Lebron down our throats.

Nobody here buys the idea that Kobe, Shaq, or Lebron have done more on the basketball court than Tim Duncan, because we can see the logic of 4 rings, 5 MVPs, and 11 all-NBA team selections. We understand defense and teamwork. It just doesn't make any logical sense that Manu was out for the season. When you hear stuff that doesn't make sense, throw that stuff down the toilet.

The fact is, Manu had a sore ankle and didn't CIA Pop about it right away, so Pop flipped out. Do you not remember how upset Pop was when Manu got hurt at the Olympics? Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

[Agloco]

:depressed

We first got wind yesterday. Today, two more sources told us the same thing. A fourth source insists that he's just resting and nothing serious has been officially diagnosed.

But the bad news is that the most connected source is in the first group.

Pray, Spurs fans.

Pray.

:(

And people still wonder why Pop squeezes diamonds out of his ass over his players taking part in activities over the summer.

Manu done = Spurs done

His stock is dropping rapidly either way.

[phxspurfan]

I agree. The people here need to use their brains. If you are smart enough to figure out that the Spurs are the # 1 sports franchise in America, you should be smart enough to figure out that Manu is not out for the season.

Some of you have been duped by media spin. This happens all the time in politics, where the candidates never get a chance to win on the basketball court, and instead everything just decays into irrational arguing.

But we are Spurs fans. We have already overcome all the media bias against the Spurs and against Tim Duncan, the same mass media that shoves Kobe, Shaq and Lebron down our throats.

Nobody here buys the idea that Kobe, Shaq, or Lebron have done more on the basketball court than Tim Duncan, because we can see the logic of 4 rings, 5 MVPs, and 11 all-NBA team selections. We understand defense and teamwork. It just doesn't make any logical sense that Manu was out for the season. When you hear stuff that doesn't make sense, throw that stuff down the toilet.

The fact is, Manu had a sore ankle and didn't CIA Pop about it right away, so Pop flipped out. Do you not remember how upset Pop was when Manu got hurt at the Olympics? Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

Arrest this man! The Spurs are the center of the universe!

[Red Hawk #21]

Cia Pop...

[41times]

I agree. The people here need to use their brains. If you are smart enough to figure out that the Spurs are the # 1 sports franchise in America, you should be smart enough to figure out that Manu is not out for the season.

.

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Number 1 sports franchise in America? Are you kidding me?
I'm smart enough to know the Spurs are not even the number 1 Basketball franchise in America let alone the number 1 sports franchise. I dare say there are 10-15 Sports Franchises that are higher up than the Spurs.

I hope this is just a sick joke.

As far as Ginosbleed is concerned. I hope is okay and returns the lineup quickly. He is a great player and certainly sparks the team.

[Brutalis]

I let go his mistake in 06.

But after last years series against LAL, him chucking shots, throwing the ball away... then claiming to be hurt............. then really hurt in the Olympics......

Hate to say it but if this dude is out for the season it's time for a trade. You cannot deny Manu is turning into a liability.

[Galileo]

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Number 1 sports franchise in America? Are you kidding me?
I'm smart enough to know the Spurs are not even the number 1 Basketball franchise in America let alone the number 1 sports franchise. I dare say there are 10-15 Sports Franchises that are higher up than the Spurs.

I hope this is just a sick joke.

As far as Ginosbleed is concerned. I hope is okay and returns the lineup quickly. He is a great player and certainly sparks the team.

In the Duncan era, the Spurs have the best record af any sports franchise in foorball, basketball, baseball, or hockey.

They are also routinely rated the best franchise by national magazines that consider other factors besides just winning.

[ATXSPUR]

I hope Manu gets well soon. I love Manu and he has been a highlight of some my fondest memories...but it's about time for a trade. He is starting to be a bit more trouble than he is worth. Last season with his terrible play against LA and now with the string of injuries. For Manu and a couple of others we can still get a quality play for the next couple of years. We'll see what happens.

[angelbelow]

Manuuuuuuuuu

[byrdman31]

:depressed:depressed driving me crazy here

[GSH]

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Number 1 sports franchise in America? Are you kidding me?
I'm smart enough to know the Spurs are not even the number 1 Basketball franchise in America let alone the number 1 sports franchise. I dare say there are 10-15 Sports Franchises that are higher up than the Spurs.

I hope this is just a sick joke.



He was talking about winning. Over the last decade, the Spurs have the best record of any team in any major professional sport. And they have all those banners hanging in the rafters.

You knew what he meant. Wait... Mavs fan? Maybe you didn't.

[Galileo]

Manu is not out for the season. Pop is pissed that Manu is not telling him about every little acky pain, so CIA Pop sat him down for the rodeo road trip, and is giving him new strict orders.

"Despite playing with discomfort, Ginobili averaged 22.4 points, 5.7 rebounds and 4.1 assists in his last seven games."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoKmFcM69ZUCNa_z3VJE5eGM0bYF?slug=teamre ports-2009-nba-sas&prov=sportsxchange&type=team_report

Galileo again gets the scoop upfront.

[HarlemHeat37]

Mavs fans don't understand anything about winning..leave them alone..

[timvp]

I wonder whether Manu and the Spurs knew that he was likely out for the season but Manu begged them to try to rest the injury and come back. That would explain a lot ... including Pop's rotation as of late. The only hope to win a championship right now is if Finley could somehow have a flashback year and somehow replace Ginobili. Also moving Hill to shooting guard from point guard would suddenly make a lot of sense. Benching Bowen also makes sense because without Ginobili, the Spurs wouldn't have enough offense to overcome his offensive shortcoming.

WTF, now the pieces are fitting and things make sense. I think we've been CIA Pop'ed.

[timvp]

Now everything makes perfect sense. Pop knew the whole time there was a big chance Manu wasn't likely to make it through the entire playoff run :pctoss

[CIA Pop]

I wonder whether Manu and the Spurs knew that he was likely out for the season but Manu begged them to try to rest the injury and come back. That would explain a lot ... including Pop's rotation as of late. The only hope to win a championship right now is if Finley could somehow have a flashback year and somehow replace Ginobili. Also moving Hill to shooting guard from point guard would suddenly make a lot of sense. Benching Bowen also makes sense because without Ginobili, the Spurs wouldn't have enough offense to overcome his offensive shortcoming.

WTF, now the pieces are fitting and things make sense. I think we've been CIA Pop'ed.

Dammit, timvp, you were supposed to keep that to yourself.

[xtremesteven33]

I wonder whether Manu and the Spurs knew that he was likely out for the season but Manu begged them to try to rest the injury and come back. That would explain a lot ... including Pop's rotation as of late. The only hope to win a championship right now is if Finley could somehow have a flashback year and somehow replace Ginobili. Also moving Hill to shooting guard from point guard would suddenly make a lot of sense. Benching Bowen also makes sense because without Ginobili, the Spurs wouldn't have enough offense to overcome his offensive shortcoming.

WTF, now the pieces are fitting and things make sense. I think we've been CIA Pop'ed.



Bull$&$* :td

[xtremesteven33]

i dont believe it.....

[SpursFan0728]

I wonder whether Manu and the Spurs knew that he was likely out for the season but Manu begged them to try to rest the injury and come back. That would explain a lot ... including Pop's rotation as of late. The only hope to win a championship right now is if Finley could somehow have a flashback year and somehow replace Ginobili. Also moving Hill to shooting guard from point guard would suddenly make a lot of sense. Benching Bowen also makes sense because without Ginobili, the Spurs wouldn't have enough offense to overcome his offensive shortcoming.

WTF, now the pieces are fitting and things make sense. I think we've been CIA Pop'ed.

It also explain the signing of Gooden. To add more offensive power even though he isn't the greatest defender.

[timvp]

It also explain the signing of Gooden. To add more offensive power even though he isn't the greatest defender.

True.

[Mugen]

if that were the case then i think they shut manu down until the playoffs and not try to bring him back earlier

[timvp]

if that were the case then i think they shut manu down until the playoffs and not try to bring him back earlierYou gotta give him some games to find his rhythm. Can't unleash him in Game 1 of the first round.

[ElNono]

Sorry, timvp. I just don't buy it. If that's really the intent, why play Manu for 36 minutes in Indiana?

[timvp]

Sorry, timvp. I just don't buy it. If that's really the intent, why play Manu for 36 minutes in Indiana?
To see if he's healthy? You gotta kick the tires at some point.

[Spurs Brazil]

I wonder whether Manu and the Spurs knew that he was likely out for the season but Manu begged them to try to rest the injury and come back. That would explain a lot ... including Pop's rotation as of late. The only hope to win a championship right now is if Finley could somehow have a flashback year and somehow replace Ginobili. Also moving Hill to shooting guard from point guard would suddenly make a lot of sense. Benching Bowen also makes sense because without Ginobili, the Spurs wouldn't have enough offense to overcome his offensive shortcoming.

WTF, now the pieces are fitting and things make sense. I think we've been CIA Pop'ed.

It really look like it.

I'd like to see A LOT of Hill in the playoffs

[z0sa]

Now everything makes perfect sense. Pop knew the whole time there was a big chance Manu wasn't likely to make it through the entire playoff run :pctoss

You think they would knowingly take such a high risk? It's a possibility, but an outside one. It doesn't seem like Pop to plan around an injury waiting to happen. Although, the pieces do fit in a weird sort of way.