Best Defensive team is Spurs' history?

[Jimcs50]

Spurs are:

#1 in FG% against

#1 in points allowed

#1 in blocks

#1 in rebounds (52.8%)

#1 in point differential

[Solid D]

I'd have to give the honor to the 1998-99 team.

[Jimcs50]

I'd have to give the honor to the 1998-99 team.

They were not #1 in rebounding though, Solid. This is the determining factor, IMO.

[Jimcs50]

And, the NBA's new rules make it even tougher to play defense, the scoring renascence this year is proof of that.

[travis2]

And, the NBA's new rules make it even tougher to play defense, the scoring renascence this year is proof of that.

Now Jim, I know you had to look that word up...:lol

[Solid D]

Rebounds can be important but most defense takes place prior to the rebound. Rebounds seal the empty trip, agreed, but the Spurs are giving up a very high percentage of makes from the arc this year.

1998-99, although shortened, was a league record .401, in fact was in the .39xs for much of that season.

[Jimcs50]

Now Jim, I know you had to look that word up...:lol


Travis, not true, I have been known as a Renascence Man for years...so I am quite familiar with the word.

[Jimcs50]

Rebounds can be important but most defense takes place prior to the rebound. Rebounds seal the empty trip, agreed, but the Spurs are giving up a very high percentage of makes from the arc this year.

1998-99, although shortened, was a league record .401, in fact was in the .39xs for much of that season.


Solid, see my next post on the better scoring this year because of the rule changes. Apples and Oranges, my friend.

[Solid D]

Apples and oranges are then subject to personal taste. I like oranges better....at least today.

[ShoogarBear]

Travis, not true, I have been known as a Renascence Man for years...so I am quite familiar with the word.

Too bad "familiar" != "know how to spell".

[Solid D]

Unfortunately, Jim is using an accepted spelling, although the purists will spell it in the older French style Renaissance.

[Jimcs50]

Unfortunately, Jim is using an accepted spelling, although the purists will spell it in the older French style Renaissance.


Fuck the French!

A certain point guard is excluded. :)

[exstatic]

Rebounds can be important but most defense takes place prior to the rebound.

You get a stop. The other team gets an O board. You get another stop. The other team gets ANOTHER O board. They score, but you've just held them to .33 shooting. Was that good defense?

Sean said that one of Pop's mantras is that the defense isn't done until the possession changes in your favor.

[Jimcs50]

You get a stop. The other team gets an O board. You get another stop. The other team gets ANOTHER O board. They score, but you've just held them to .33 shooting. Was that good defense?

Sean said that one of Pop's mantras is that the defense isn't done until the possession changes in your favor.

ex, it looks good in the stat sheet holding them to .333 shooting, but it is not good defense if they score on that possession, IMO.

[boutons]

Renascence

Etymology:alteration (influenced by renascent) of renaissance

Meaning is the same, but Renascence is very probably a bastardization based on ignorance of the traditional spelling. And "Renascence" wouldn't be pronounced the same as "Renaissance".

And I don't think the military with be doing any "(freedom) reconnascence" anytime soon instead of "(French) reconnaissance". :)

[Solid D]

I would like to state a case for why I think the 1998-99 team was better on defense than this season's team. The primary difference was David Robinson and his backup Will Perdue. David was a premier shot-blocker and could recover from mistakes (his and others) with his cat-like quickness, spring and athleticism.

There were some games where Pop went with a triple towers approach, (Timmy at the 3), ex. @ Indiana and holding Larry Bird's team to a record low in points (in the 60s). They ran through the playoffs like an F5 tornado, losing only 2 games.

Individual matchups at the other positions have their strengths on this year's team, but the middle was almost impenetrable in 1998-99.

[travis2]

Renascence

Etymology:alteration (influenced by renascent) of renaissance

Meaning is the same, but Renascence is very probably a bastardization based on ignorance of the traditional spelling. And "Renascence" wouldn't be pronounced the same as "Renaissance".

And I don't think the military with be doing any "(freedom) reconnascence" anytime soon instead of "(French) reconnaissance". :)

It's not pronounced the same. Accent on middle syllable, long "A" sound.

* = schwa

r*-NAY-s*nce

[Rummpd]

Best will be if they turn it up another notch and get a crown. They can!

[Jimcs50]

I would like to state a case for why I think the 1998-99 team was better on defense than this season's team. The primary difference was David Robinson and his backup Will Perdue. David was a premier shot-blocker and could recover from mistakes (his and others) with his cat-like quickness, spring and athleticism.

There were some games where Pop went with a triple towers approach, (Timmy at the 3), ex. @ Indiana and holding Larry Bird's team to a record low in points (in the 60s). They ran through the playoffs like an F5 tornado, losing only 2 games.

Individual matchups at the other positions have their strengths on this year's team, but the middle was almost impenetrable in 1998-99.

Solid, I can not argue with you here, because that 99 team was dominant especially in the middle, but on the perimeter, we have 5-6 guys that can absolutely shut down any guard or sm foward at any given time. If we had the 99 version of DRob as Rasho's backup, the Spurs would be awesome and maybe undefeated.

[Jimcs50]

It's not pronounced the same. Accent on middle syllable, long "A" sound.

* = schwa

r*-NAY-s*nce


Thankyou Professor Peabody.

:)

[Solid D]

You get a stop. The other team gets an O board. You get another stop. The other team gets ANOTHER O board. They score, but you've just held them to .33 shooting. Was that good defense?

Sean said that one of Pop's mantras is that the defense isn't done until the possession changes in your favor.

I did confirm in my earlier post that a rebound seals an empty trip...however, don't make me get out my list of the leading rebounding teams in the NBA the past several seasons. Hint: this years' leaders: The Lakers

I do put credence in Rebound Differential...but not as a "determining" factor.

[Jimcs50]

I did confirm in my earlier post that a rebound seals an empty trip...however, don't make me get out my list of the leading rebounding teams in the NBA the past several seasons. Hint: this years' leaders: The Lakers

I do put credence in Rebound Differential...but not as a "determining" factor.


Lakers are not number one in percentage(Spurs are), which is the true gage of rebounding expertise, like opponent FG% is truer gage of defense over points allowed.

[ShoogarBear]

Freaky. I've never seen that spelling before. It's ugly as sin.

What next? Will it start being valid to "loose" a game?

Back to the topic, I've seen people look at things likes points per possession, which is probably a more accurate overall assessment of defense, but I'm not sure where these would be archived.

[Solid D]

Lakers are not number one in percentage(Spurs are), which is the true gage of rebounding expertise, like opponent FG% is truer gage of defense over points allowed.

That's true. Rebound % is another way of presenting rebounding differential, in which the Spurs are number one. Maybe a useful prooftext to your theory that Rebound diff. or % is the determining factor in team defensive effectiveness would be to look at the leaders in that category (maybe top 5) over the past 5-6 years.

[Jimcs50]

Freaky. I've never seen that spelling before. It's ugly as sin.

What next? Will it start being valid to "loose" a game?

Back to the topic, I've seen people look at things likes points per possession, which is probably a more accurate overall assessment of defense, but I'm not sure where these would be archived.


Shoog, this point right here lends credence to my hypothesis. This Spurs team shoots a lot faster on the clock, scores more points and therefore this team had to defend a lot more possessions than the 99 team did.

[Jimcs50]

Also Shoog, this spelling (Renascence) is known to me because there is a dental composite resin with this name and it is spelled this way.

[Solid D]

Lakers are not number one in percentage(Spurs are), which is the true gage of rebounding expertise, like opponent FG% is truer gage of defense over points allowed.

I also like Jim's nouveau spelling of guage.

[Jimcs50]

I also like Jim's nouveau spelling of guage.

stick with me Solid, you will learn all kinds of new stuff.

:)

[Solid D]

Thankyou Professor Peabody.

:)

Speaking of stream of consciousness....

Does anyone remember Mr. Peabody?

http://www.animationusa.com/picts/univpict/peabody.jpg

I'm not that old but my dad told me about it. :)

[boutons]

"This Spurs team shoots a lot faster on the clock"

test the hypothesis: can't somebody find the stats for "total shots/game" for 05 vs 99?

For 05, for the Spurs, 9100/58 shots = 157 shots/game

vs. the Suns (quick-trigger transition jump-shooters with no defense) 10600/59 = 180 shots/game

[Jimcs50]

Speaking of stream of consciousness....

Does anyone remember Mr. Peabody?

http://www.animationusa.com/picts/univpict/peabody.jpg

I'm not that old but my dad told me about it. :)

I was wondering if that reference would fly right over everyone's head. :lol

[travis2]

Speaking of stream of consciousness....

Does anyone remember Mr. Peabody?

http://www.animationusa.com/picts/univpict/peabody.jpg

I'm not that old but my dad told me about it. :)


I remember...

But Jim's still older than I am...:lol

[Jimcs50]

I remember...

But Jim's still older than I am...:lol

yeah, by only months.

:)

[wildbill2u]

Travis, not true, I have been known as a Renascence Man for years...so I am quite familiar with the word.

I think you mean "Renaissance Man" unless you mean you've been taking Viagra for a renascence of vigor.
:rolleyes

Maybe both of you need a dictionary. :elephant

[travis2]

yeah, by only months.

:)


Try a few years...:p

[travis2]

I think you mean "Renaissance Man" unless you mean you've been taking Viagra for a renascence of vigor.
:rolleyes

Maybe both of you need a dictionary. :elephant

not I...:p

[exstatic]

ex, it looks good in the stat sheet holding them to .333 shooting, but it is not good defense if they score on that possession, IMO.

EXACTLY. Even though you held that team to a short term .333, they still scored in one trip down the floor.

I would also submit that it's really not valid to compare any pre-2000 defense to any post 2000 defense, as the rules on hand checking were drastically changed. Between that, and the loss of Sean's versatility, the Spurs were almost certain NOT to repeat.

[wildbill2u]

Unfortunately, Jim is using an accepted spelling, although the purists will spell it in the older French style Renaissance.

Actually not! Renascent means restoring to vigor while a Renaissance man has many talents and enlightened tastes. Too different things entirely

[TwoHandJam]

Speaking of stream of consciousness....

Does anyone remember Mr. Peabody?

http://www.animationusa.com/picts/univpict/peabody.jpg

I'm not that old but my dad told me about it. :)
Sherman, set the wayback machine for the year of fucked-up spelling.

Renascence? Never seen that spelling. Fugly man.

[Solid D]

I can't believe I'm doing this but Dictionary.com says this regarding renascence:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Renascence

re·nas·cence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-nsns, -nsns)
n.
A new birth or life; a rebirth.
A cultural revival; a renaissance.
Renascence Renaissance.


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Renascence

n : the revival of learning and culture [syn: rebirth, Renaissance]

Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

[Solid D]

...and now this regarding renaissance:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Renaissance

ren·ais·sance ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rn-säns, -zäns, rn-säns, -zäns, r-nsns)
n.
A rebirth or revival.
Renaissance
The humanistic revival of classical art, architecture, literature, and learning that originated in Italy in the 14th century and later spread throughout Europe.
The period of this revival, roughly the 14th through the 16th century, marking the transition from medieval to modern times.
often Renaissance
A revival of intellectual or artistic achievement and vigor: the Celtic Renaissance.
The period of such a revival.

adj. Renaissance
Of, relating to, or characteristic of the Renaissance or its artistic and intellectual works and styles.
Of or being the style of architecture and decoration, based on classical models, that originated in Italy in the 15th century and continued throughout Europe up to the end of the 16th century.


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[French, from Old French, from renaistre, to be born again, from Vulgar Latin *renscere, from Latin rensc : re-, re- + nsc, to be born; see gen- in Indo-European Roots.]

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Renaissance

n 1: the period of European history at the close of the Middle Ages and the rise of the modern world; a cultural rebirth from the 14th through the middle of the 17th centuries [syn: Renaissance] 2: the revival of learning and culture [syn: rebirth, Renaissance, renascence]

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[Jimcs50]

Damn, what have I started???

:)

[Solid D]

:lol
I guess it's sort of a "rebirth" of the original topic.

[Jimcs50]

All this because I changed the spelling on a word.....we are digressing here.

My point was, it is more impresive now to hold teams scoring down because scoring is up drastically since 98-99.

But both teams are great defensively, so Solid is right too.

[boutons]

"Too different things entirely"

and you're informing us about points of language? :lol :lol

[1Parker1]

Jeez, you men are nerds! You've been arguing for 2 pages about the spelling of some ancient word? :rolleyes

[Jimcs50]

Jeez, you men are nerds! You've been arguing for 2 pages about the spelling of some ancient word? :rolleyes


:lol


Slow day in the sports news dept.

[Useruser666]

row-adds hehehe

[boutons]

When the forum can waste 100's of msgs swallowing troll bait hook/line/sinker in cretinous threads started by trolls, anything is possible... :)

[ShoogarBear]

What are you talking about, this has been the most education thread in weeks.

Although I assert that anyone who spells "renaissance" as "renascence" is a weenie.

(Based on an n of 1.)

[Solid D]

Hey Jimbo!

http://renaissancefestival.com/

I too, have thought of Jim as somewhat of a Renaissance Man.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/brandsonsale/RGC80222.jpg

[Nikos]

Last seasons Spurs were ranked #1 ALL TIME in Defensive Efficiency for a Season. They were a bit better than 1998-99 on defense (they were in the Top 5-6 of all time I think ironically). But I think the 9899 team's defense was a bit accentuated by the lockout season. Offensives tended to be worse that season.

This years Spurs team is also a great defensive team in terms of all time defensive efficiency rankings (thus far) -- but there is still a good chunk of games left.

The Spurs of 0001 were really balanced on both ends, but failed in the playoffs strangely by a HUGE margin. Why, I am not sure exactly.

This years team is as balanced as any Spur team, I hope they keep it up on both ends.

[Memorial-Day-99]

No David Robinson, No Best Defensive Team.......

[travis2]

Hey Jimbo!

http://renaissancefestival.com/

I too, have thought of Jim as somewhat of a Renaissance Man.

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/brandsonsale/RGC80222.jpg

:lmao

[Jimcs50]

Travis, why are you laughing at my surgical garb?

[travis2]

Travis, why are you laughing at my surgical garb?

Because blue is not your color. :lol