Why there shouldn't be a CP3/Deron debate

[Ghazi]

I see it everywhere. A Cp3 v Deron debate. the Hornets came onto the scene last year with a surprise 56-26 season and a 1st round playoff series victory against the beloved Mavs. Of course that victory didn't mean much, the Mavs were in disarray with J-Ho shooting 27% for the series, hosting a party, admitting to smoking weed, etc. Really only 2 Mavs played well, and Peja actually showed up for a playoff series.

Then in the 2nd round, they jump out to a 2-0 lead on the defending champs! But of course they blew it, and the series was tied 3-3. So Game 7, in NOLA, what does CP3 do in the 4th quarter of the crucial game 7?
TIME SAN ANTONIO SCORE NEW ORLEANS
12:00 Start of the 4th Quarter
11:44 Manu Ginobili misses 21-foot jumper 71-56
11:41 Robert Horry offensive rebound 71-56
11:33 Robert Horry misses 23-foot three point jumper 71-56
11:32 Kurt Thomas offensive rebound 71-56
11:10 Manu Ginobili misses 24-foot three point jumper 71-56
11:08 71-56 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
10:48 71-58 Chris Paul makes 12-foot jumper
10:30 Tony Parker misses 18-foot jumper 71-58
10:29 71-58 Chris Paul defensive rebound
10:26 Tony Parker personal foul (Chris Paul draws the foul) 71-58
10:26 Tim Duncan enters the game for Robert Horry 71-58
10:26 Ime Udoka enters the game for Manu Ginobili 71-58
10:15 71-60 Tyson Chandler makes two point shot (Chris Paul assists)
9:52 Tim Duncan misses 12-foot jumper 71-60
9:51 71-60 Peja Stojakovic defensive rebound
9:41 71-60 Chris Paul traveling
9:26 Tony Parker makes 19-foot two point shot 73-60
9:10 73-62 Jannero Pargo makes 19-foot jumper
8:55 Tony Parker makes layup (Tim Duncan assists) 75-62
8:33 75-64 Jannero Pargo makes driving layup (Chris Paul assists)
8:32 San Antonio full timeout
8:32 Manu Ginobili enters the game for Bruce Bowen 75-64
8:32 Fabricio Oberto enters the game for Kurt Thomas 75-64
8:15 Ime Udoka makes 24-foot three point jumper (Manu Ginobili assists) 78-64
7:58 78-66 Tyson Chandler makes two point shot (Chris Paul assists)
7:35 Ime Udoka misses 22-foot three point jumper 78-66
7:33 78-66 Jannero Pargo defensive rebound
7:22 78-68 Jannero Pargo makes 10-foot running jumper
7:03 Tim Duncan misses 19-foot jumper 78-68
7:01 San Antonio defensive rebound 78-68
6:52 78-70 Chris Paul makes jumper
6:31 Tony Parker misses 16-foot jumper 78-70
6:30 Ime Udoka offensive rebound 78-70
6:26 78-70 David West shooting foul (Tim Duncan draws the foul)
6:26 Tim Duncan makes free throw 1 of 2 79-70
6:26 Bruce Bowen enters the game for Tony Parker 79-70
6:26 Tim Duncan makes free throw 2 of 2 80-70
6:20 80-70 Chris Paul bad pass (Ime Udoka steals)
6:11 Tim Duncan misses 25-foot three point jumper 80-70
6:11 80-70 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
6:05 Manu Ginobili personal foul (Jannero Pargo draws the foul) 80-70
5:58 80-70 Chris Paul misses 25-foot three point jumper
5:56 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 80-70
5:43 Manu Ginobili offensive foul (Chris Paul draws the foul) 80-70
5:43 Manu Ginobili turnover 80-70
5:43 80-70 Official timeout
5:33 80-70 Jannero Pargo misses 24-foot three point jumper
5:31 Tim Duncan defensive rebound 80-70
5:13 80-70 Tyson Chandler shooting foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
5:13 Tony Parker enters the game for Bruce Bowen 80-70
5:13 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 81-70
5:13 Manu Ginobili misses free throw 2 of 2 81-70
5:13 81-70 David West defensive rebound
4:58 81-70 Jannero Pargo misses 19-foot jumper
4:56 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 81-70
4:37 Manu Ginobili misses 25-foot three point jumper 81-70
4:37 81-70 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
4:26 Tony Parker jump ball 81-70
4:15 Tim Duncan shooting foul (Jannero Pargo draws the foul) 81-70
4:15 81-71 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 1 of 2
4:15 81-72 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 2 of 2
3:59 81-72 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
3:45 Tim Duncan misses 14-foot jumper 81-72
3:44 81-72 David West defensive rebound
3:34 81-75 Jannero Pargo makes 25-foot three point jumper
3:15 Manu Ginobili misses 11-foot jumper 81-75
3:14 81-75 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
3:10 Fabricio Oberto shooting foul (Jannero Pargo draws the foul) 81-75
3:10 81-76 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 1 of 2
3:10 81-77 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 2 of 2
2:59 81-77 Tyson Chandler shooting foul (Tony Parker draws the foul)
2:59 New Orleans full timeout
2:59 Bruce Bowen enters the game for Ime Udoka 81-77
2:59 Tony Parker makes free throw 1 of 2 82-77
2:59 Tony Parker makes free throw 2 of 2 83-77
2:43 83-77 Peja Stojakovic misses 27-foot three point jumper
2:41 83-77 New Orleans defensive rebound
2:20 Tim Duncan misses 8-foot hook shot 83-77
2:17 83-77 Peja Stojakovic defensive rebound
2:11 83-77 Bruce Bowen blocks Jannero Pargo's 11-foot jumper
2:11 83-77 Jumpball: Bruce Bowen vs. Jannero Pargo (Chris Paul gains possession)
2:11 83-77 New Orleans offensive rebound
1:58 83-77 Jannero Pargo misses 26-foot three point jumper
1:55 83-77 Tyson Chandler offensive rebound
1:52 83-77 Peja Stojakovic misses 26-foot three point jumper
1:51 83-77 Jannero Pargo offensive rebound
1:38 83-77 David West misses 19-foot jumper
1:36 83-77 Chris Paul offensive rebound
1:35 83-80 Jannero Pargo makes 24-foot three point jumper (Chris Paul assists)
1:14 Tim Duncan misses 8-foot jumper 83-80
1:13 83-80 Chris Paul defensive rebound
1:07 83-80 Jannero Pargo misses 23-foot three point jumper
1:05 Tim Duncan defensive rebound 83-80
0:50 Tony Parker makes 19-foot jumper 85-80
0:50 New Orleans 20 Sec. timeout
0:45 85-80 Chris Paul misses layup
0:45 Bruce Bowen defensive rebound 85-80
0:41 85-80 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 86-80
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 87-80
0:35 87-80 Jannero Pargo misses 17-foot jumper
0:34 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 87-80
0:32 87-80 Peja Stojakovic personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 88-80
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 89-80
0:32 New Orleans full timeout
0:29 89-80 Jannero Pargo misses 27-foot three point jumper
0:27 89-80 David West offensive rebound
0:26 89-82 David West makes driving dunk
0:25 89-82 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:25 89-82 Morris Peterson enters the game for Chris Paul
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 90-82
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 91-82
0:20 91-82 Jannero Pargo misses layup
0:19 Tim Duncan defensive rebound 91-82
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter


Meanwhile, here's how the Jazz went outta the playoffs

4th Quarter Summary
TIME LOS ANGELES SCORE UTAH
12:00 Start of the 4th Quarter
11:41 Luke Walton misses 21-foot jumper 86-70
11:38 86-70 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
11:17 86-70 Deron Williams misses 17-foot jumper
11:15 Lamar Odom defensive rebound 86-70
10:56 86-70 Carlos Boozer shooting foul (Ronny Turiaf draws the foul)
10:56 Ronny Turiaf makes free throw 1 of 2 87-70
10:56 Ronny Turiaf misses free throw 2 of 2 87-70
10:53 87-70 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
10:41 87-70 Matt Harpring misses 13-foot jumper
10:40 87-70 Carlos Boozer misses tip shot
10:40 87-70 Carlos Boozer offensive rebound
10:38 Lamar Odom defensive rebound 87-70
10:18 Luke Walton misses 16-foot jumper 87-70
10:17 87-70 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
10:11 87-70 Ronny Turiaf blocks Deron Williams's driving layup
10:08 87-72 Paul Millsap makes layup
10:08 87-72 Paul Millsap offensive rebound
9:47 Sasha Vujacic makes driving layup 89-72
9:37 Ronny Turiaf personal foul (Carlos Boozer draws the foul) 89-72
9:26 89-72 Kyle Korver misses 19-foot jumper
9:25 89-72 Matt Harpring offensive rebound
9:22 89-72 Deron Williams misses 25-foot three point jumper
9:21 89-72 Utah defensive rebound
9:03 Ronny Turiaf offensive foul (Kyle Korver draws the foul) 89-72
9:03 Ronny Turiaf turnover 89-72
8:51 89-74 Paul Millsap makes layup (Deron Williams assists)
8:32 Kyle Korver blocks Sasha Vujacic's 16-foot jumper 89-74
8:30 89-74 Matt Harpring defensive rebound
8:26 89-76 Paul Millsap makes slam dunk (Deron Williams assists)
8:23 Los Angeles full timeout
8:23 Kobe Bryant enters the game for Luke Walton 89-76
8:23 Pau Gasol enters the game for Lamar Odom 89-76
8:15 Kobe Bryant lost ball (Deron Williams steals) 89-76
8:12 Sasha Vujacic personal foul (Kyle Korver draws the foul) 89-76
7:58 89-76 Carlos Boozer misses two point shot
7:56 89-76 Paul Millsap offensive rebound
7:54 Ronny Turiaf shooting foul (Paul Millsap draws the foul) 89-76
7:54 89-77 Paul Millsap makes free throw 1 of 2
7:54 89-78 Paul Millsap makes free throw 2 of 2
7:37 Pau Gasol makes driving layup 91-78
7:37 91-78 Paul Millsap illegal defense
7:24 91-78 Matt Harpring misses 19-foot jumper
7:22 Sasha Vujacic defensive rebound 91-78
7:05 Pau Gasol misses layup 91-78
7:05 Los Angeles defensive rebound 91-78
7:05 Ronny Turiaf loose ball foul (Paul Millsap draws the foul) 91-78
6:56 91-78 Ronny Turiaf blocks Carlos Boozer's dunk
6:54 91-78 Matt Harpring offensive rebound
6:43 91-80 Deron Williams makes two point shot
6:28 Kobe Bryant bad pass (Carlos Boozer steals) 91-80
6:22 91-82 Paul Millsap makes slam dunk (Deron Williams assists)
6:22 Los Angeles full timeout
6:22 Lamar Odom enters the game for Ronny Turiaf 91-82
6:22 Derek Fisher enters the game for Jordan Farmar 91-82
6:03 Kobe Bryant offensive foul (Matt Harpring draws the foul) 91-82
6:03 Kobe Bryant turnover 91-82
5:52 91-84 Carlos Boozer makes 13-foot jumper (Deron Williams assists)
5:31 Derek Fisher makes 11-foot running jumper 93-84
5:18 93-84 Carlos Boozer misses 17-foot jumper
5:16 93-84 Matt Harpring offensive rebound
5:16 Kobe Bryant personal foul (Matt Harpring draws the foul) 93-84
5:16 93-85 Matt Harpring makes free throw 1 of 2
5:16 93-86 Matt Harpring makes free throw 2 of 2
4:54 Kobe Bryant makes 25-foot three point jumper 96-86
4:33 96-86 Carlos Boozer misses 12-foot jumper
4:33 96-86 Utah defensive rebound
4:33 96-86 Carlos Boozer loose ball foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul)
4:33 96-86 Mehmet Okur enters the game for Carlos Boozer
4:20 Kobe Bryant makes 22-foot two point shot 98-86
4:20 98-86 Matt Harpring shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
4:20 98-86 Andrei Kirilenko enters the game for Matt Harpring
4:20 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 1 99-86
4:03 99-88 Deron Williams makes 11-foot running jumper
3:36 Paul Millsap blocks Lamar Odom's layup 99-88
3:34 99-88 Mehmet Okur defensive rebound
3:32 99-88 Paul Millsap offensive foul (Sasha Vujacic draws the foul)
3:32 99-88 Paul Millsap turnover
3:17 Pau Gasol bad pass 99-88
3:03 99-88 Mehmet Okur traveling
2:55 Lamar Odom traveling 99-88
2:55 99-88 Official timeout
2:32 99-91 Deron Williams makes 24-foot three point jumper
2:12 99-91 Paul Millsap shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
2:12 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2 100-91
2:12 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2 101-91
1:59 101-94 Mehmet Okur makes 25-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
1:35 Kobe Bryant misses 18-foot jumper 101-94
1:31 101-94 Deron Williams defensive rebound
1:23 101-94 Deron Williams misses 6-foot running jumper
1:21 101-94 Paul Millsap offensive rebound
1:13 101-94 Mehmet Okur misses 21-foot jumper
1:13 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound 101-94
1:13 101-94 Deron Williams personal foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
1:13 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2 102-94
1:13 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2 103-94
1:02 103-97 Mehmet Okur makes three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
0:42 Andrei Kirilenko blocks Kobe Bryant's layup 103-97
0:39 103-97 Mehmet Okur defensive rebound
0:32 103-97 Mehmet Okur misses layup
0:31 103-97 Kyle Korver offensive rebound
0:25 103-100 Andrei Kirilenko makes 24-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
0:25 Los Angeles 20 Sec. timeout
0:19 103-100 Deron Williams personal foul (Lamar Odom draws the foul)
0:19 Lamar Odom makes free throw 1 of 2 104-100
0:19 Lamar Odom makes free throw 2 of 2 105-100
0:19 Utah 20 Sec. timeout
0:16 105-103 Andrei Kirilenko makes 24-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
0:15 105-103 Andrei Kirilenko personal foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
0:15 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2 106-103
0:15 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2 107-103
0:15 Utah 20 Sec. timeout
0:13 107-105 Paul Millsap makes dunk (Kyle Korver assists)
0:12 107-105 Deron Williams personal foul (Derek Fisher draws the foul)
0:12 Derek Fisher makes free throw 1 of 2 108-105
0:12 Derek Fisher misses free throw 2 of 2 108-105
0:09 108-105 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
0:04 108-105 Mehmet Okur misses 24-foot three point jumper
0:03 108-105 Deron Williams offensive rebound
0:02 108-105 Deron Williams misses 26-foot three point jumper
0:00 108-105 Mehmet Okur offensive rebound
0:00 End Game
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter




The Jazz season ended with Deron taking the last shot, and scoring down the stretch to try and win the game.

The Hornets season ended with CP3 going scoreless the final 6:52 and deferring to Jannero mutha fuckin Pargo, who plays in Europe right now.

Also 2 turnovers and a blown layup, along with 3 missed free throws out of five.

That's all you need to know. The rest such as Deron's head to head dominance, superior strength, versatility, and post up game, are just icing on the cake.


1. Deron







2. CP3

[Lakers2009champs]

Ghazi, you are such a cry baby pussy bitch. I hope the lakers eliminate your beloved mavs next month (THAT'S IF THEY MAKE THE PLAYOFFS). Just like the HORNETS did LOL.

CP3>>>>>DWILL

[Ghazi]

Not crying, just stating facts. At least the Jazz went down with Deron shooting the last shot. The Hornets went down with Jannero fucking Pargo, not Chris Paul.

[Lakers2009champs]

DUDE, you are obsessed with CP3 and his team, the LAKERS beat utah in 6 LOL. The Hornets eliminated the SORRY ASS MAVS in 5 and took the Spurs to a 7 game.

GET ON WITH IT

Even though CP3 gets on my nerves, he is the best PG in the game.

[Chieflion]

Isn't this thread a debate of CP3 and Deron? Epic Fail.

[lefty]

Ghazi, you are such a cry baby pussy bitch. I hope the lakers eliminate your beloved mavs next month (THAT'S IF THEY MAKE THE PLAYOFFS). Just like the HORNETS did LOL.

CP3>>>>>DWILL

Look, I don't like CP3 either, but c'mon

Pargo was shooting well, so he passed him the ball

That's called identifying the hot hand

[TDMVPDPOY]

I dunno how you can say the NOH jump on the scene last year, when the previous years they were heading for a strong season if not for injuries....NOH imo peaks too early in the season and faints in March for some odd reason when other teams are starting to stride of become injury free heading towards the playoffs, while NOH stacks on with the injuries late.

I dont think t heres that much of a gap between them 2....its just that deron william fans dont like to give credit where its due vice versa....

[Darkwaters]

Uhhh, Pargo is in Europe by choice, not because he couldn't get a gig in America. He was offered good money to stay in the NBA. But Europe offered better money. It's kind of a recurring theme these days (if you haven't noticed). So stop bitching.

[JamStone]

Your evidence is faulty.

First of all, Pargo took the last shot in a game with a 9 point difference. Unless that lay-up was going to be worth 9 points, it doesn't matter who takes that last shot in a game that was decided at that point.

Second of all, Paul was being guarded by Bruce Bowen most of that fourth quarter. Deron Williams was being guarded by Derek Fisher for most of that fourth quarter. Fisher is still a decent defender, but this is not the first time Bowen has played great denial defense on a player.

Third, Pargo was shooting fucking lights out. A selfish egotistical player would have taken all of Pargo's shots in that fourth quarter. He scored 16 points in that quarter. It would be something different if Pargo missed all of his shots. He didn't. A good point guard keeps milking the hot hand.

Fourth, Okur and Kirilenko made the big three pointers in that Jazz-Lakers game that even allowed the Jazz to have a chance to tie that game back up, not Deron. 1:02 left in the game, down 9, Okur makes a three pointer, Kirilenko makes two three pointers, Okur takes and misses another three pointer, with 4 seconds left mind you. That was the real last shot if you paid attention to the play-by-play. Deron Williams' last shot was off of an offensive rebound scattered play.

[balli]

DUDE, you are obsessed with CP3 and his team, the LAKERS beat utah in 6 LOL. The Hornets eliminated the SORRY ASS MAVS in 5 and took the Spurs to a 7 game.

I don't agree with this argument as a rational for why Deron's better, but it was a fluke the Hornets went 7 games against a banged up Spurs team. The Mavs are an abscess of a playoff team. Utah was/is a better team than NO.

[dirk4mvp]

A prime J-Kidd is >> than both.

[balli]

A prime J-Kidd is >> than both.

:wakeup

[dirk4mvp]

:wakeup


easily. especially williams.

[balli]

Well, if that's your prerogative, but... :wakeup

[dirk4mvp]

If you deny that, you're a fucking idiot.

[dirk4mvp]

Have a shitty fucking day dude.

[balli]

:lol

[sonic21]

The Hornets season ended with CP3 going scoreless the final 6:52 and deferring to Jannero mutha fuckin Pargo, who plays in Europe right now


in that same game Manu and duncan went scoreless the final 10:00, so i say there shouldn't be a kg/duncan debate or a manu/... debate

[turiaf for president]

ok this title is retarded but i would take williams over paul if i was starting my team with a PG

[lil_penny]

i would take williams over paul if i was starting my team with a PG

[balli]

:toast to the 8>3 crew. Lots of support for Deron the past little bit.

[scanry]

:toast to the 8>3 crew. Lots of support for Deron the past little bit.

I know it may surprise you that other fans also think that Deron is a better prospect for a team. But hey Deron has more poise than CP3.

I love Deron's attitude and i don't think i've ever seen a player torch Parker like he did in 2007. :wow:wow

[Cry Havoc]

fluke

SpursDynasty is watching you.

[monosylab1k]

:toast to the 8>3 crew. Lots of support for Deron the past little bit.

He's the only member of the Jazz worth respecting. The rest of the team is either lying douchebags, flopping pussies, or hacking thugs who get away with it because they're white and love Jesus.

-SpursHaveFourRings

[BRHornet45]

lol nothing new sons .... Ghazi the bitch at it again.

[balli]

He's the only member of the Jazz worth respecting. The rest of the team is either lying douchebags, flopping pussies, or hacking thugs who get away with it because they're white and love Jesus.

-SpursHaveFourRings
I don't know if you actually believe that or not, (you'd be stupid to) but I'll say the same thing I told the Rockets crew a couple days ago:

WTF do you have against Brewer, Millsap, CJ, Almond, Brevin Knight, Ronnie Price, Big Fes, etc? All classy, clean, likable, fun to watch guys and if you really do hate players like that, it's your problem, not theirs.

So I'd suggest you just focus on your own miserable failure of a team.

[BRHornet45]

2006
Paul:
16 points
8 assists
5 rebounds
2 steals
2.3 TO

Williams:
10 points
5 assists
2 rebounds
1 steal
1.8 TO

2007
Paul:
17 points
9 assists
4 rebounds
3 steals
2.5 TO

Williams:
16 points
9 assists
3 rebounds
1 steal
3.0 TO

2008
Paul:
21 points
12 assists
4 rebounds
3 steals
2.5 TO

Williams:
19 points
11 assists
3 rebounds
1 steal
3.4 TO

2009
Paul:
21.4 points
11.1 assists
5 rebounds
3 steals
2.9 TO

Williams:
18.9 points
10.6 assists
3 rebounds
1 steal
3.4 TO

[balli]

^ That's as shallow an analysis as you can get. cp3 bitches, moans, cries and takes his team out of games by acting like a spoiled child. He runs an easier, more transition prone system and is lucky that he has one of the longest players in the league to throw lob passes to. He get's posted up and smoked by anybody with any size. Conversely, did anybody notice just how much Deron frustrated C. Billups the other night? On both ends. Oh, but Paul gambles and gets a lot of steals, which makes him first team all-D, right?

I'm not going to say there aren't good arguments for paul. I get it. I understand how the case could be made that he's better. But I'm mystified by the Paul supporters who don't say the same in regards to the arguments for Deron. It's insultingly biased.

Oh and IDK if anybody's watching the Toronto game, but of course, Deron's getting it done again in crunch time.

[lefty]

^ That's as shallow an analysis as you can get. cp3 bitches, moans, cries and takes his team out of games by acting like a spoiled child. He runs an easier, more transition prone system and is lucky that he has one of the longest players in the league to throw lob passes to. He get's posted up and smoked by anybody with any size. Conversely, did anybody notice just how much Deron frustrated C. Billups the other night? On both ends. Oh, but Paul gambles and gets a lot of steals, which makes him first team all-D, right?

I'm not going to say there aren't good arguments for paul. I get it. I understand how the case could be made that he's better. But I'm mystified by the Paul supporters who don't say the same in regards to the arguments for Deron. It's insultingly biased.

Oh and IDK if anybody's watching the Toronto game, but of course, Deron's getting it done again in crunch time.

Anthony Parker choked really bad :lol

[BRHornet45]

even more fun stats sons ...

2006
Paul:
.430 FG%
.282 3P%
.847 FT%
Total Points: 1258
All Star? No

Williams:
.421 FG%
.416 3P%
.704 FT%
Total Points: 864
All Star? No

2007
Paul:
.437 FG%
.350 3P%
.818 FT%
Total Points: 1104
All Star? No

Williams:
.456 FG%
.322 3P%
.767 FT%
Total Points: 1297
All Star? No

2008
Paul:
.488 FG%
.369 3P%
.851 FT%
Total Points: 1684
All Star? Yes

Williams
.507 FG%
.395 3P%
.803 FT%
Total Points: 1545
All Star? No

2009 (as of 3/8)
Paul:
.497 FG%
.348 3P%
.852 FT%
Total Points: 1217
All Star? Yes (Starter)

Williams
.470 FG%
.316 3P%
.833 FT%
Total Points: 906
All Star? No

[BRHornet45]

^ That's as shallow an analysis as you can get. cp3 bitches, moans, cries and takes his team out of games by acting like a spoiled child. He runs an easier, more transition prone system and is lucky that he has one of the longest players in the league to throw lob passes to. He get's posted up and smoked by anybody with any size. Conversely, did anybody notice just how much Deron frustrated C. Billups the other night? On both ends. Oh, but Paul gambles and gets a lot of steals, which makes him first team all-D, right?

I'm not going to say there aren't good arguments for paul. I get it. I understand how the case could be made that he's better. But I'm mystified by the Paul supporters who don't say the same in regards to the arguments for Deron. It's insultingly biased.

Oh and IDK if anybody's watching the Toronto game, but of course, Deron's getting it done again in crunch time.

son the only thing Williams has on Paul is the 3 point shot and Paul has improved tremendously in that area this season and has a much better 3P% than Williams now ..... just like the ball, son the stats don't lie.

[balli]

BR, I'd suggest you go back to the other CP3 v. Deron thread and check out those stat charts I posted. You'll be surprised.

And LMAO at you son for listing All-Star appearances. It's not Deron's fault that he got shafted last year by the undeserved Brandon Roy appearance. And this year, it's not his fault Derrick Rose blew up his [Deron's] ankle four games before the season started.

[balli]

son the only thing Williams has on Paul is the 3 point shot
Well that... and about 10 dominating, blowout wins.

[BRHornet45]

BR, I'd suggest you go back to the other CP3 v. Deron thread and check out those stat charts I posted. You'll be surprised.

And LMAO at you son for listing All-Star appearances. It's not Deron's fault that he got shafted last year by the undeserved Brandon Roy appearance. And this year, it's not his fault Derrick Rose blew up his [Deron's] ankle four games before the season started.

son all of the stats are right there in front of you so I suggest you take a closer look yourself. check out basketball-reference.com if you would like.

you LOL at me listing the all star appearance, yet if it was the other way around then you know DAMN WELL you would bring it up too. none the less, the fact is that Paul is a 2 time all star and Williams hasn't even made the team yet. however, yes I know there are many players who get screwed with all star selections and that is no way to judge a player, but why not bring up? you want to brag about Williams being the best PG in the NBA, yet he hasn't even made the all star team yet! AGAIN SON ... just look at the stats. they don't lie.

[BRHornet45]

Well that... and about 10 dominating, blowout wins.

son in case you forgot, Williams was blessed to walk into a contending playoff team from the start of his career while Paul walked into a trash team. That tends to help.

[balli]

son in case you forgot, Williams was blessed to walk into a contending playoff team from the start of his career while Paul walked into a trash team. That tends to help.

Actually we had 26 wins the season before Deron was here.

And considering the Hornets had a better record than Utah last year and this year, that's not the argument I'd be making. You're better than Utah against everybody else, but we still curbstomp you. What's the difference?

[balli]

that is no way to judge a player, but why not bring up?
Mainly because,

that is no way to judge a player.

[lefty]

Hard to say who's the best

But I pick Deron because of the better behavior on the court

[BRHornet45]

Actually we had 26 wins the season before Deron was here.

And considering the Hornets had a better record than Utah last year and this year, that's not the argument I'd be making. You're better than Utah against everybody else, but we still curbstomp you. What's the difference?


son Utah is a great team and Williams is the 2nd best point guard in the league. There is no doubting that. We have trouble with you guys for 2 reasons ... 1. Utah is bigger than us at every position and 2. like every other team in the NBA that loses to Utah, most of Utah's wins are coming from the typical back to back west coast road trips that teams have to endure. (hence why Utah has such a great home record).

Again you bring up the past season records. hmmm, Paul came into an 18 win, lottery team and in 3 years turned them into a 56 win playoff team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He's the only member of the Jazz worth respecting. The rest of the team is either lying douchebags, flopping pussies, or hacking thugs who get away with it because they're white and love Jesus.

-SpursHaveFourRings

or gay centers

http://www.radaronline.com/features//02%20john%20Amaechi%2051705836%20copy.jpg

[BRHornet45]

Mainly because,


son, but you know it hurts so bad whenever you brag about your boy Williams and then you remember that he isn't even an NBA all star yet! not to mention he can't even make the NBA first team! yet in your mind, he is the best!!!!! LOL

but hey lets say fuck the awards and honors that Paul dominates Williams in though. LOOK AT THE STATS, PAUL OWNS WILLIAM THERE TOO. THEY DON'T LIE!

[BlackSwordsMan]

does deron williams eat eva longoria burritos in san antonio? uh no
CP 3 POINT AND MATCH

[balli]

LOOK AT THE STATS, PAUL OWNS WILLIAM THERE TOO. THEY DON'T LIE!

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3173680&postcount=38

[BRHornet45]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3173680&postcount=38

LMAO at your biased little BS chart that YOU CREATED .... son look at the REAL numbers.

Paul
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paulch01.html

Williams
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willide01.html

LMAO at you trying to make a bullshit chart on your own to twist the stats around!!!!

[balli]

I didn't make it. And it's not twisting anything. It's a timeline of their stats month by month. I can't help that Paul's numbers have been in months long decline while Deron's have been steadily rising as he's gotten healthy. That's just what the stats are. And they don't lie.

[Ghazi]

Stats... stats... stats.

The two PG's are obviously very close in production, so let's just throw the stats out the window. Anyway they favor CP3 slightly only because the Hornets run a bullshit offense whereas the Jazz offense has structure and superior players at nearly every position.

So the difference? Poise.

You know, the poise that allows Deron to come back from 2-0 in a series and the poise that Paul doesn't have, allowing him to defer to Jannero mutha fuckin Pargo in the 4th quarter of a crucial game 7 and BLOW a 2-0 series.

The same poise that allows Deron to take the last shot for his team in a season, and the lack of poise that allows for CP3 the whiny little bitch flopper who thinks he's entitled to respect but isn't to go scoreless the final 6:52 of a game.

Poise guys, poise. Deron has it, CP3 doesn't.

And I can't believe much more isn't made of CP3's 4th quarter performance against the Spurs. Many other superstars would've been crucified if they did that shit.

If it's Game 7 of a series for our beloved Mavs and JJ fucking Barea takes 3 times as many shots as Dirk costing the team the game, you think we beloved Mavs fans would EVER hear the end of it?

[Pelicans78]

The Jazz will play a fresh Hornets team in New Orleans late in the season. We'll see the truth by that time.

[Pelicans78]

Stats... stats... stats.

The two PG's are obviously very close in production, so let's just throw the stats out the window. Anyway they favor CP3 slightly only because the Hornets run a bullshit offense whereas the Jazz offense has structure and superior players at nearly every position.

So the difference? Poise.

You know, the poise that allows Deron to come back from 2-0 in a series and the poise that Paul doesn't have, allowing him to defer to Jannero mutha fuckin Pargo in the 4th quarter of a crucial game 7 and BLOW a 2-0 series.

The same poise that allows Deron to take the last shot for his team in a season, and the lack of poise that allows for CP3 the whiny little bitch flopper who thinks he's entitled to respect but isn't to go scoreless the final 6:52 of a game.

Poise guys, poise. Deron has it, CP3 doesn't.

And I can't believe much more isn't made of CP3's 4th quarter performance against the Spurs. Many other superstars would've been crucified if they did that shit.

If it's Game 7 of a series for our beloved Mavs and JJ fucking Barea takes 3 times as many shots as Dirk costing the team the game, you think we beloved Mavs fans would EVER hear the end of it?

If the Jazz beat you guys 4-1 last season, you would hate Deron Williams more than anyone else. :lol

[BRHornet45]

Stats... stats... stats.

The two PG's are obviously very close in production, so let's just throw the stats out the window. Anyway they favor CP3 slightly only because the Hornets run a bullshit offense whereas the Jazz offense has structure and superior players at nearly every position.

So the difference? Poise.

You know, the poise that allows Deron to come back from 2-0 in a series and the poise that Paul doesn't have, allowing him to defer to Jannero mutha fuckin Pargo in the 4th quarter of a crucial game 7 and BLOW a 2-0 series.

The same poise that allows Deron to take the last shot for his team in a season, and the lack of poise that allows for CP3 the whiny little bitch flopper who thinks he's entitled to respect but isn't to go scoreless the final 6:52 of a game.

Poise guys, poise. Deron has it, CP3 doesn't.

And I can't believe much more isn't made of CP3's 4th quarter performance against the Spurs. Many other superstars would've been crucified if they did that shit.

If it's Game 7 of a series for our beloved Mavs and JJ fucking Barea takes 3 times as many shots as Dirk costing the team the game, you think we beloved Mavs fans would EVER hear the end of it?

LMAO GHAZI!!!! your shit pipe is obviously still sore from the poise Paul showed last season in ass raping your Mavs.

[Ghazi]

The Jazz will play a fresh Hornets team in New Orleans late in the season. We'll see the truth by that time.

So the Jazz skullfuckin the Hornets twice this year and 10 times in the last 12 games isn't the "truth"?

What about last year when late in the season they came into NOLA and skullfucked da Hornets, holding them to 66 points and disallowing them from achieving a #1 seed :D

[BRHornet45]

I didn't make it. And it's not twisting anything. It's a timeline of their stats month by month. I can't help that Paul's numbers have been in months long decline while Deron's have been steadily rising as he's gotten healthy. That's just what the stats are. And they don't lie.

Paul's numbers in a month long decline??? yet he is still beating Williams in damn near every single stat department AND leading the league in assist, steals, and triple doubles.

[BRHornet45]

sons LMAO at ballijuana and his little chicken shit chart that a Jazz homer made. I can totally see ballijuana sitting in a Mormon church in Utah with 12 other Jazz fans having meetings on how to justify that Williams is the best PG in the NBA despite the fact that Paul's stats are always better every year ....

they are all sitting at the round table and ballijuana offers his opinion ... "hey guys! Williams had .3 more points and .2 more assist than Paul did for 3 weeks straight in February!" with another Jazz fan screaming "yea thats right! ballijuana you are on to something here!!!" ... then another Jazz fan offers his thoughts .... "not to mention guys, Williams skin tone is lighter than Paul's which is ALWAYS a plus here in Utah!" ... and everyone erupts in cheers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

"not to mention guys, Williams skin tone is lighter than Paul's which is ALWAYS a plus here in Utah!" ... and everyone erupts in cheers.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


It is funny how many white players Utah has.

[balli]

not to mention guys, Williams skin tone is lighter than Paul's which is ALWAYS a plus here in Utah!

Fuck you BR. That's unnecessary. This isn't about race and I'm not a fucking racist. Or a mormon. And you know it. And seriously, I'm not going to be accused of that shit because of where I live. Asshole.


It is funny how many white players Utah has.
Fuck off. As few or as many as anybody else. In case you haven't noticed two thirds of our roster is African American. As are most of our draft picks. Clueless fuck.

[Brickhouse]

Your evidence is faulty.

First of all, Pargo took the last shot in a game with a 9 point difference. Unless that lay-up was going to be worth 9 points, it doesn't matter who takes that last shot in a game that was decided at that point.

Second of all, Paul was being guarded by Bruce Bowen most of that fourth quarter. Deron Williams was being guarded by Derek Fisher for most of that fourth quarter. Fisher is still a decent defender, but this is not the first time Bowen has played great denial defense on a player.

Third, Pargo was shooting fucking lights out. A selfish egotistical player would have taken all of Pargo's shots in that fourth quarter. He scored 16 points in that quarter. It would be something different if Pargo missed all of his shots. He didn't. A good point guard keeps milking the hot hand.

Fourth, Okur and Kirilenko made the big three pointers in that Jazz-Lakers game that even allowed the Jazz to have a chance to tie that game back up, not Deron. 1:02 left in the game, down 9, Okur makes a three pointer, Kirilenko makes two three pointers, Okur takes and misses another three pointer, with 4 seconds left mind you. That was the real last shot if you paid attention to the play-by-play. Deron Williams' last shot was off of an offensive rebound scattered play.

:wakeup still waiting for Ghazi's brilliant analysis in reply...

[Spur-Addict]

Shit Pipe? :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Fuck off. As few or as many as anybody else. In case you haven't noticed two thirds of our roster is African American. As are most of our draft picks. Clueless fuck.

lol, why are you so defensive about it?

[lil_penny]

Maybe stern will read this thread and arrange a utah vs. NO 1st round matchup.... regardless of who we all think is better it would be a very exciting matchup no doubt.

[balli]

:wakeup still waiting for Ghazi's brilliant analysis in reply...

I don't agree with Ghazi about the specific plays or games he brought up in the op, but I do think it's clear, however, that Deron is the more poised and clutch player. I don't watch all that many NOH games, but I've seen and heard enough to know that when the chips are down, Paul's attitude can become problematic for his team.

[balli]

lol, why are you so defensive about it?

Because it's no small thing to imply that I'm a racist. Or my team. Or to laugh at the suggestion. No permanent offense meant, but I didn't like taking the dog for a walk and coming home to a website that has one dude calling me racist and another dude laughing about it. I'm not a racist and I'm offended by the suggestion. But, whatever, life goes on. :toast

[Pelicans78]

I don't agree with Ghazi about the specific plays or games he brought up in the op, but I do think it's clear, however, that Deron is the more poised and clutch player. I don't watch all that many NOH games, but I've seen and heard enough to know that when the chips are down, Paul's attitude can become problematic for his team.

If I haven't seen many Hornets game how do you know CP3 isn't clutch late in games. I don't have to give you examples, but you hate on CP3 way more than me or BR45 hating on Williams. The only time I ever mention Williams is when your sorry ass says crap about CP3.

[Pelicans78]

Because it's no small thing to imply that I'm a racist. Or my team. Or to laugh at the suggestion. No permanent offense meant, but I didn't like taking the dog for a walk and coming home to a website that has one dude calling me racist and another dude laughing about it. I'm not a racist and I'm offended by the suggestion. But, whatever, life goes on. :toast

You might not be a racist but you are very hateful when it comes to CP3. I never have anything bad to say about Williams nor will I ever. But you and Ghazi go out of your way to trash CP3 for whatever reasons.

[balli]

I don't have to give you examples, but you hate on CP3 way more than me or BR45 hating on Williams.

But at the same time, I don't watch a lot of Hornets games and I don't like cp3, but I look at his stats sometimes... and damn. There's an equally compelling argument for his camp. His Ast/TO ratio is unreal, I don't know how he gets his Reb numbers, but he does



I'm not going to say there aren't good arguments for paul. I get it. I understand how the case could be made that he's better. But I'm mystified by the Paul supporters who don't say the same in regards to the arguments for Deron. It's insultingly biased.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Because it's no small thing to imply that I'm a racist. Or my team. Or to laugh at the suggestion. No permanent offense meant, but I didn't like taking the dog for a walk and coming home to a website that has one dude calling me racist and another dude laughing about it. I'm not a racist and I'm offended by the suggestion. But, whatever, life goes on. :toast

I was laughing at a joke about the Utah Jazz, it had nothing to do with you. Sorry if I offended you in any way.

[Pelicans78]

The examples I was talking about was CP3 being clutch late in games. I don't have to give examples to you because I already know. But you know you go out of your way to trash CP3. You take the CP3/Williams debate personally because the Jazz picked Williams. He's been great for the Jazz. I'm not saying its a bad pick. No Hornets fan will ever say it was a bad pick.

[Austin_Toros]

Are you trying to say Paul and Williams suck?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

And if there's any fan base that loves white/Hispanic players and has a weird bias against black players, I hate to say it but it's the Suns.


Phoenix fans go nuts whenever Amundson comes in the game, but unless Shaq scores 30 points and grabs 20 boards, they jump all over him saying trading for him is what killed the Suns.

[Ghazi]

Pargo was shooting so lights out that he missed more shots in the last 2 minutes than CP3 attempted in the 4th quarter.

[balli]

The examples I was talking about was CP3 being clutch late in games.
If you don't want to give me examples fine, I'm not really asking. But like I said, I've seen enough of his bad attitude myself that I believe the analysts who say he has a tendency to occasionally take his team out of games by bitching, moaning and tussling with the refs and his coach. I don't say it because I hate paul. I say it because I believe there's a legitimate debate over 8 & 3 and whether it's actually true or not, I don't watch enough NOH to say, those whispers are out there. And you know it. So don't pretend like I'm the first person to ever float the theory that Paul's attitude can be problematic. If he's clutch, cool, but so's Deron. And for me it's not really a question of who's more clutch, it's a question of who folds when things are going poorly. And what effect that has on the team as a whole.


But you know you go out of your way to trash CP3.
No I don't. If that was the case I'd be starting these threads. I debate the merits of each pg when the conversation comes up. And as I proved, I'm more than capable of complimenting Paul.


You take the CP3/Williams debate personally because the Jazz picked Williams.
Personally? I consequentially care about it more, sure. Who wouldn't? Are you telling me that you're somehow unbiased as a hornets fan, but I'm biased because I'm a Jazz fan? :rolleyes

[NIH]

I don't see the problem here, Jazz are happy with Williams and Hornets fans are happy with Paul. It's Milwaukee and Atlanta we should be laughing at.

[balli]

I was laughing at a joke about the Utah Jazz, it had nothing to do with you. Sorry if I offended you in any way.
It's all good, sorry about the defensive hostility.


It's Milwaukee and Atlanta we should be laughing at.
:rollin
True that.

[Ghazi]

Bottom line:

http://www.nba.com/media/hornets/292_Jannero_9Aug2006.JPG


There is no way the best PG in the game thinks this guy should shoot a shit ton of shots in the 4th quarter of a crucial game 7.

But Paul did think that, and thus is not the best PG in the game.

Right then and there we should've learned that Paul doesn't have a winner's mentality.

The same mentality that compelled him to punch Julius HOdge in the nuts.

The same mentality that compels him to flop and whine all over the court

The same mentality that compels him to choke a 2 game lead over the Lakers on the #1 seed, with 7 left to play. And the same mentality that allows the Hornets to fall behind by 30 with the #1 seed on the line last year v the Lakers

The same mentality that allowed 2nd seeded Wake Forest to lose in the 2nd round of the NCAA Tournament.

The SAME mentality that allowed the Hornets to blow a 2-0 lead against the Spurs, and then choke a Game 7 on their home court with Paul deferring to Jannero mutha fuckin Pargo.

That's enough evidence for me, fuck stats that vary on the rest of the roster and the teams' systems and are inflated by the league's marketing schemes.


Again nothing personal against Chris Paul, he's just overrated.

[monosylab1k]

Fuck you BR. That's unnecessary. This isn't about race and I'm not a fucking racist. Or a mormon. And you know it.

He does?

http://themachineisus.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/the-internet-a-series-of-tubes.jpg

-spurshave4

[monosylab1k]

WTF do you have against Brewer,

fucked up shooting mechanics


Millsap,

over-hustles


CJ,

doesn't play to his potential


Almond,

sucks


Brevin Knight,

old


Ronnie Price,

asshole


Big Fes, etc?

stupid hair

4 rings.

[Ghazi]

lolz

[Spur-Addict]

I don't agree with Ghazi about the specific plays or games he brought up in the op, but I do think it's clear, however, that Deron is the more poised and clutch player. I don't watch all that many NOH games, but I've seen and heard enough to know that when the chips are down, Paul's attitude can become problematic for his team.


If I haven't seen many Hornets game how do you know CP3 isn't clutch late in games. I don't have to give you examples, but you hate on CP3 way more than me or BR45 hating on Williams. The only time I ever mention Williams is when your sorry ass says crap about CP3.

Being more clutch, having more poise coupled with not being Problematic is not saying, someone isn't clutch.

[dirk4mvp]

wow this guy is thin skinned.

[BRHornet45]

Because it's no small thing to imply that I'm a racist. Or my team. Or to laugh at the suggestion. No permanent offense meant, but I didn't like taking the dog for a walk and coming home to a website that has one dude calling me racist and another dude laughing about it. I'm not a racist and I'm offended by the suggestion. But, whatever, life goes on. :toast

son you can't deny the fact that the Utah Jazz have always been a team that goes out of their way to make sure there are plenty of white boys on the team. no other team in NBA history has had so many white players.

[BRHornet45]

Pargo was shooting so lights out that he missed more shots in the last 2 minutes than CP3 attempted in the 4th quarter.

son how bout them mavs??

[BRHornet45]

lol, why are you so defensive about it?

because his pussy is still hurting from the serious piping that has been going on .... dude is hell bent on forcing everyone to believe that his player is the best by twisting stats around. they are both damn good, but the REAL stats don't lie, not his little pie chart lol.

[lil_penny]

You have to admit the pie chart was pretty fucking cool though haha.

[Lars]

I would take Paul.

[BRHornet45]

You have to admit the pie chart was pretty fucking cool though haha.

oh son it was creative no doubt and really hilarious. I can see the bitter Jazz fan who made the chart .....
"no I don't care if the season ending stats show that Paul's numbers are better every year! that doesn't matter to me!!! notice in MY chart that for 3.5 weeks in the month of January Deron had him beat!!!"

[dirk4mvp]

sons where is this pie chart?

[Mugen]

i would take the guy thats beaten both cp3 and the dwill in the playoffs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

yeah seriously sons I wanna see these stat charts.

[BRHornet45]

yeah seriously sons I wanna see these stat charts.

LOL son its not even a "pie" chart.... that shit just sounds funny saying it. The "chart" is some bullshit he posted on page 2. On the first page, I posted the real stats including links to both Paul and Williams complete numbers year by year .... well he doesn't like those stats.

[Ghazi]

Again, stats stats stats fucking stats.

I'm tired of this stats bullshit. We should all know that stats don't always tell the story.

Bottom line: Jannero fucking Pargo.

[BRHornet45]

Again, stats stats stats fucking stats.

I'm tired of this stats bullshit. We should all know that stats don't always tell the story.

Bottom line: Jannero fucking Pargo.

no son the bottom line is .... Dallas Choking Vaginas - easy round 1 knockout

[Ghazi]

Speaking of choking. jannero pargo.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/74488/williamspaulassists.PNG

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[sook]

sons LMAO at ballijuana and his little chicken shit chart that a Jazz homer made. I can totally see ballijuana sitting in a Mormon church in Utah with 12 other Jazz fans having meetings on how to justify that Williams is the best PG in the NBA despite the fact that Paul's stats are always better every year ....

they are all sitting at the round table and ballijuana offers his opinion ... "hey guys! Williams had .3 more points and .2 more assist than Paul did for 3 weeks straight in February!" with another Jazz fan screaming "yea thats right! ballijuana you are on to something here!!!" ... then another Jazz fan offers his thoughts .... "not to mention guys, Williams skin tone is lighter than Paul's which is ALWAYS a plus here in Utah!" ... and everyone erupts in cheers.
ROFL

But cp3 is a little bitch sometimes, Deron is pure class on and off the court.

But ...CP3 is the better player no doubt

[resistanze]

Ghazi REALLY ran the Pargo shit into the ground. :lol

He's like SD but without the humor.

[BRHornet45]

:lol

LOL .... son thats my thoughts exactly.

[Flo-Rida]

Speaking of choking. jannero pargo.

3 years my friend 3 years.

[balli]

Being more clutch, having more poise coupled with not being Problematic is not saying, someone isn't clutch.
Probably the reason I wrote,

So don't pretend like I'm the first person to ever float the theory that Paul's attitude can be problematic. If he's clutch, cool, but so's Deron. And for me it's not really a question of who's more clutch, it's a question of who folds when things are going poorly. And what effect that has on the team as a whole.


son thats my thoughts exactly. I wouldn't be laughing if I saw my pg's AST & PPG numbers in a steady 3 and a half month decline. I'd be concerned. But that's just me.

[BRHornet45]

Probably the reason I wrote,


I wouldn't be laughing if I saw my pg's AST & PPG numbers in a steady 3 and a half month decline. I'd be concerned. But that's just me.


son seriously are you fucking stupid or just in denial? you are claiming that Chris Paul is declining, yet he still has better stats than Williams and leads the league in assist, steals, triple doubles, etc. ..... WTF are you blind? your silly little chart is comical and everyone on here is having fun laughing at it, but do you truly take it serious? here is my advice to you....

1. go back to page 1 and look at the year by year stats that I posted. those stats are taken from basketball-reference.com (which the links are posted).

2. if you are still in denial, go to espn.com and look at the stats there. they are the same

I don't care what your stupid little homemade chart that some Jazz fan made says. what matters is the year end stats year by year and Paul clearly has better stats than Williams. Your chart is bogus and you know it. .... but it sure is funny watching you make a fool of yourself in this thread. keep it coming LOL ...."but but but Paul's assist went from 11.5 to 11.1 in a 3 month period. Williams stayed at 10.6! he is better!!!"

[Girasuck]

Posted with the sole purpose of pissing off BRHornets and his butt buddy Hornets78

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9308066/Who%27s-better----CP3-or-Williams

[Girasuck]

I can see why CP3 lovers are getting so pissed off about the CP3/Deron debate. Seeing the balance of power shift is never an easy thing to take, especially when that's about all you have.

[balli]

you are claiming that Chris Paul is declining, yet he still has better stats than Williams and leads the league in assist, steals, triple doubles, etc.
Better stats over the course of a season in which Deron played for 2 months on a bad wheel. Better stats right now? Now that Deron's healthy? Nope.
Oh. And the day Deron's leading the league in steals is the day I'll know he's a mostly worthless defensive player.

Your chart is bogus and you know it.
I'm sorry you don't like Basketball John's paintshop skills. And I'm not even trying to say substantively that it's more than a small piece of the argument. But those are the numbers. And the fact you're so defensive about them is telling about what they mean to you.

[BRHornet45]

Posted with the sole purpose of pissing off BRHornets and his butt buddy Hornets78

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9308066/Who%27s-better----CP3-or-Williams

LOL not pissing me off son. Its comical watching you bitter Jazz mormons cry about Williams. Hornets fans and intelligent NBA fans can look at the numbers and see the truth. Its mainly you Jazz homers who are hell bent on claiming that Williams is the best. I know it gets under your skin seeing Paul constantly put up better numbers every year than your boy. talk to me whenever Williams can learn how to make the all star team, make the all NBA 1st team, or hell AT LEAST learn how to average 20+ points per game ok?

[BRHornet45]

Better stats over the course of a season in which Deron played for 2 months on a bad wheel. Better stats right now? Now that Deron's healthy? Nope.
Oh. And the day Deron's leading the league in steals is the day I'll know he's a mostly worthless defensive player.

I'm sorry you don't like Basketball John's paintshop skills. And I'm not even trying to say substantively that it's more than a small piece of the argument. But those are the numbers. And the fact you're so defensive about them is telling about what they mean to you.

dipshit go look at the shooting percentages this year .... also, you act as if Paul has been 100% healthy this year too. he has struggled with groin issues. keep bitching little one. what time is your church service tonight by the way? you don't want to be late!

[Pelicans78]

Posted with the sole purpose of pissing off BRHornets and his butt buddy Hornets78

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9308066/Who%27s-better----CP3-or-Williams

Up to this point, Paul has had a better career. Every season has been better. That's not gonna change anytime soon. With more versatile players, the Jazz's record should be way better than Paul's and Williams should shoot for a higher FG% and more assists, but those things never happen. Why? Because, Williams isn't a wizard like CP3. He may be bigger, stronger, etc, but he doesn't have the instincts or the vision like Paul. Williams is a better pure shooter, but CP3 does everything else better.

[manufor3]

still waiting for ghazi's response to jamstone...

[balli]

keep bitching little one. what time is your church service tonight by the way? you don't want to be late!
I'm not the fag with a crackhead reverend in my sig and a vote for that cunt, evangelical bitch Palin.

[Pelicans78]

Williams doesn't have the ability to get steals like CP3. He's not quickness. He doesn't have quick feet, quick instincts, or quick hands like CP3. Even with a bigger body, he doesn't rebound like Paul.

[Pelicans78]

I'm still waiting for Ghazi's response to my quote of saying he would hate Williams more than anyone else if the Jazz had beaten the Mavs 4-1.

[BRHornet45]

I'm not the fag with a crackhead reverend in my sig and a vote for that cunt, evangelical bitch Palin.

LOL .... a Jazz fan

[Ghazi]

BTW for people who said Jannero was hot.

He went 5/12 in the quarter, and 2 for his final 9.

Looks to me like he wasn't very hot at all, CP3 just kept feeding the hand cause he was scared to take a big shot.

[BRHornet45]

BTW for people who said Jannero was hot.

He went 5/12 in the quarter, and 2 for his final 9.

Looks to me like he wasn't very hot at all, CP3 just kept feeding the hand cause he was scared to take a big shot.

LMAO GHAZI!!! yep that was it!!!!!

[sook]

BTW for people who said Jannero was hot.

He went 5/12 in the quarter, and 2 for his final 9.

Looks to me like he wasn't very hot at all, CP3 just kept feeding the hand cause he was scared to take a big shot.

but they were ice cold and he hit big 3s in the 4th rofl you must be one of those people that watch the highlights on NBA.com the day after :lol

[BRHornet45]

but they were ice cold and he hit big 3s in the 4th rofl you must be one of those people that watch the highlights on NBA.com the day after :lol

no son its just that GHAZI is a Mavericks fan and has an obsession with Chris Paul .... deep down, he truly wants Chris Paul to "punish" him the same way the Hornets have punished his Mavs this year and last. he is a true cuckold.

[BRHornet45]

Ive seen you use this phrase many times. Is this what you mean when you use it?

"A cuckold is a married man with an adulterous wife. Due to the word's original meaning, a man who is unwittingly raising another man's child, it refers to a man who is unaware of his victimization. Because of this association, it is one of the few masculine specific words in the English language without a feminine counterpart. In current usage it sometimes refers to non-married couples in committed relationships, although this is not the traditional meaning. A man who knows and acquiesced in his wife’s taking of another lover was called a wittol, itself a derivation from the Middle English for "witting (as in knowing) cuckold."

yes son. GHAZI is a true cuckold. he enjoys watching his wife with black men. he is a bitter little Mavs fan who has a fetish with Chris Paul and Carlton Banks from the Fresh Prince. he wishes either of those two could show his wife a good time. god bless

[balli]

Oh, and CP3 is much better than Deron.
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[BRHornet45]

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[BRHornet45]

Hey, we werent comparing Lakers PG's versus Deron. Our PG's suck!!! But CP3is better than Deron at everything... literally. This is not taking a shot at Deron, its just facts. Deron will never start in the allstar game due to CP3. He will never lead the league in assists due to CP3, even though he has the much better supporting cast and some rediculous stats control jack asses in UTAH that count every made basket as an assist...:lol Deron is good, but hes a notch below CP3.

And you better hope you dont meet the Lakeshow in the playoffs son. Because you guys in Utah actually do go fishing once you get bounced out...:lol

LOL true about the UTAH stat keeper. It has always been that way on their home court. I can remember games with Stockton whenever he would pass the ball to one player, then that player pass the ball back out to another player, then 15 seconds later they shoot and score ... and boom Stockton got an assist on the home score board! LOL. kinda funny how Stockton would light up 15+ assist at home like it aint no thing, then struggle to get 10 on the road.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

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LMAO @ a Jazz fan whining about the refs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The Jazz wouldn't even be a playoff team if the refs didn't serve them every home game they play on a silver platter.

[BRHornet45]

The Jazz wouldn't even be a playoff team if the refs didn't serve them every home game they play on a silver platter.


son not to mention the fact that MOST of their home games are against teams that are finishing their long West coast road trip and coming off of back to back games. In most cases, playing the Lakers the night before.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I will say though that Bob Delaney is the biggest Laker lover as far as refs go.