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Ghazi, you are such a cry baby pussy . I hope the lakers eliminate your beloved mavs next month (THAT'S IF THEY MAKE THE PLAYOFFS). Just like the HORNETS did LOL.
CP3>>>>>DWILL
I see it everywhere. A Cp3 v Deron debate. the Hornets came onto the scene last year with a surprise 56-26 season and a 1st round playoff series victory against the beloved Mavs. Of course that victory didn't mean much, the Mavs were in disarray with J-Ho shooting 27% for the series, hosting a party, admitting to smoking weed, etc. Really only 2 Mavs played well, and Peja actually showed up for a playoff series.
Then in the 2nd round, they jump out to a 2-0 lead on the defending champs! But of course they blew it, and the series was tied 3-3. So Game 7, in NOLA, what does CP3 do in the 4th quarter of the crucial game 7?
TIME SAN ANTONIO SCORE NEW ORLEANS
12:00 Start of the 4th Quarter
11:44 Manu Ginobili misses 21-foot jumper 71-56
11:41 Robert Horry offensive rebound 71-56
11:33 Robert Horry misses 23-foot three point jumper 71-56
11:32 Kurt Thomas offensive rebound 71-56
11:10 Manu Ginobili misses 24-foot three point jumper 71-56
11:08 71-56 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
10:48 71-58 Chris Paul makes 12-foot jumper
10:30 Tony Parker misses 18-foot jumper 71-58
10:29 71-58 Chris Paul defensive rebound
10:26 Tony Parker personal foul (Chris Paul draws the foul) 71-58
10:26 Tim Duncan enters the game for Robert Horry 71-58
10:26 Ime Udoka enters the game for Manu Ginobili 71-58
10:15 71-60 Tyson Chandler makes two point shot (Chris Paul assists)
9:52 Tim Duncan misses 12-foot jumper 71-60
9:51 71-60 Peja Stojakovic defensive rebound
9:41 71-60 Chris Paul traveling
9:26 Tony Parker makes 19-foot two point shot 73-60
9:10 73-62 Jannero Pargo makes 19-foot jumper
8:55 Tony Parker makes layup (Tim Duncan assists) 75-62
8:33 75-64 Jannero Pargo makes driving layup (Chris Paul assists)
8:32 San Antonio full timeout
8:32 Manu Ginobili enters the game for Bruce Bowen 75-64
8:32 Fabricio Oberto enters the game for Kurt Thomas 75-64
8:15 Ime Udoka makes 24-foot three point jumper (Manu Ginobili assists) 78-64
7:58 78-66 Tyson Chandler makes two point shot (Chris Paul assists)
7:35 Ime Udoka misses 22-foot three point jumper 78-66
7:33 78-66 Jannero Pargo defensive rebound
7:22 78-68 Jannero Pargo makes 10-foot running jumper
7:03 Tim Duncan misses 19-foot jumper 78-68
7:01 San Antonio defensive rebound 78-68
6:52 78-70 Chris Paul makes jumper
6:31 Tony Parker misses 16-foot jumper 78-70
6:30 Ime Udoka offensive rebound 78-70
6:26 78-70 David West shooting foul (Tim Duncan draws the foul)
6:26 Tim Duncan makes free throw 1 of 2 79-70
6:26 Bruce Bowen enters the game for Tony Parker 79-70
6:26 Tim Duncan makes free throw 2 of 2 80-70
6:20 80-70 Chris Paul bad pass (Ime Udoka steals)
6:11 Tim Duncan misses 25-foot three point jumper 80-70
6:11 80-70 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
6:05 Manu Ginobili personal foul (Jannero Pargo draws the foul) 80-70
5:58 80-70 Chris Paul misses 25-foot three point jumper
5:56 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 80-70
5:43 Manu Ginobili offensive foul (Chris Paul draws the foul) 80-70
5:43 Manu Ginobili turnover 80-70
5:43 80-70 Official timeout
5:33 80-70 Jannero Pargo misses 24-foot three point jumper
5:31 Tim Duncan defensive rebound 80-70
5:13 80-70 Tyson Chandler shooting foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
5:13 Tony Parker enters the game for Bruce Bowen 80-70
5:13 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 81-70
5:13 Manu Ginobili misses free throw 2 of 2 81-70
5:13 81-70 David West defensive rebound
4:58 81-70 Jannero Pargo misses 19-foot jumper
4:56 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 81-70
4:37 Manu Ginobili misses 25-foot three point jumper 81-70
4:37 81-70 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
4:26 Tony Parker jump ball 81-70
4:15 Tim Duncan shooting foul (Jannero Pargo draws the foul) 81-70
4:15 81-71 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 1 of 2
4:15 81-72 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 2 of 2
3:59 81-72 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
3:45 Tim Duncan misses 14-foot jumper 81-72
3:44 81-72 David West defensive rebound
3:34 81-75 Jannero Pargo makes 25-foot three point jumper
3:15 Manu Ginobili misses 11-foot jumper 81-75
3:14 81-75 Tyson Chandler defensive rebound
3:10 Fabricio Oberto shooting foul (Jannero Pargo draws the foul) 81-75
3:10 81-76 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 1 of 2
3:10 81-77 Jannero Pargo makes free throw 2 of 2
2:59 81-77 Tyson Chandler shooting foul (Tony Parker draws the foul)
2:59 New Orleans full timeout
2:59 Bruce Bowen enters the game for Ime Udoka 81-77
2:59 Tony Parker makes free throw 1 of 2 82-77
2:59 Tony Parker makes free throw 2 of 2 83-77
2:43 83-77 Peja Stojakovic misses 27-foot three point jumper
2:41 83-77 New Orleans defensive rebound
2:20 Tim Duncan misses 8-foot hook shot 83-77
2:17 83-77 Peja Stojakovic defensive rebound
2:11 83-77 Bruce Bowen blocks Jannero Pargo's 11-foot jumper
2:11 83-77 Jumpball: Bruce Bowen vs. Jannero Pargo (Chris Paul gains possession)
2:11 83-77 New Orleans offensive rebound
1:58 83-77 Jannero Pargo misses 26-foot three point jumper
1:55 83-77 Tyson Chandler offensive rebound
1:52 83-77 Peja Stojakovic misses 26-foot three point jumper
1:51 83-77 Jannero Pargo offensive rebound
1:38 83-77 David West misses 19-foot jumper
1:36 83-77 Chris Paul offensive rebound
1:35 83-80 Jannero Pargo makes 24-foot three point jumper (Chris Paul assists)
1:14 Tim Duncan misses 8-foot jumper 83-80
1:13 83-80 Chris Paul defensive rebound
1:07 83-80 Jannero Pargo misses 23-foot three point jumper
1:05 Tim Duncan defensive rebound 83-80
0:50 Tony Parker makes 19-foot jumper 85-80
0:50 New Orleans 20 Sec. timeout
0:45 85-80 Chris Paul misses layup
0:45 Bruce Bowen defensive rebound 85-80
0:41 85-80 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 86-80
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 87-80
0:35 87-80 Jannero Pargo misses 17-foot jumper
0:34 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 87-80
0:32 87-80 Peja Stojakovic personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 88-80
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 89-80
0:32 New Orleans full timeout
0:29 89-80 Jannero Pargo misses 27-foot three point jumper
0:27 89-80 David West offensive rebound
0:26 89-82 David West makes driving dunk
0:25 89-82 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:25 89-82 Morris Peterson enters the game for Chris Paul
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 90-82
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 91-82
0:20 91-82 Jannero Pargo misses layup
0:19 Tim Duncan defensive rebound 91-82
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter
Meanwhile, here's how the Jazz went outta the playoffs
4th Quarter Summary
TIME LOS ANGELES SCORE UTAH
12:00 Start of the 4th Quarter
11:41 Luke Walton misses 21-foot jumper 86-70
11:38 86-70 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
11:17 86-70 Deron Williams misses 17-foot jumper
11:15 Lamar Odom defensive rebound 86-70
10:56 86-70 Carlos Boozer shooting foul (Ronny Turiaf draws the foul)
10:56 Ronny Turiaf makes free throw 1 of 2 87-70
10:56 Ronny Turiaf misses free throw 2 of 2 87-70
10:53 87-70 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
10:41 87-70 Matt Harpring misses 13-foot jumper
10:40 87-70 Carlos Boozer misses tip shot
10:40 87-70 Carlos Boozer offensive rebound
10:38 Lamar Odom defensive rebound 87-70
10:18 Luke Walton misses 16-foot jumper 87-70
10:17 87-70 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
10:11 87-70 Ronny Turiaf blocks Deron Williams's driving layup
10:08 87-72 Paul Millsap makes layup
10:08 87-72 Paul Millsap offensive rebound
9:47 Sasha Vujacic makes driving layup 89-72
9:37 Ronny Turiaf personal foul (Carlos Boozer draws the foul) 89-72
9:26 89-72 Kyle Korver misses 19-foot jumper
9:25 89-72 Matt Harpring offensive rebound
9:22 89-72 Deron Williams misses 25-foot three point jumper
9:21 89-72 Utah defensive rebound
9:03 Ronny Turiaf offensive foul (Kyle Korver draws the foul) 89-72
9:03 Ronny Turiaf turnover 89-72
8:51 89-74 Paul Millsap makes layup (Deron Williams assists)
8:32 Kyle Korver blocks Sasha Vujacic's 16-foot jumper 89-74
8:30 89-74 Matt Harpring defensive rebound
8:26 89-76 Paul Millsap makes slam dunk (Deron Williams assists)
8:23 Los Angeles full timeout
8:23 Kobe Bryant enters the game for Luke Walton 89-76
8:23 Pau Gasol enters the game for Lamar Odom 89-76
8:15 Kobe Bryant lost ball (Deron Williams steals) 89-76
8:12 Sasha Vujacic personal foul (Kyle Korver draws the foul) 89-76
7:58 89-76 Carlos Boozer misses two point shot
7:56 89-76 Paul Millsap offensive rebound
7:54 Ronny Turiaf shooting foul (Paul Millsap draws the foul) 89-76
7:54 89-77 Paul Millsap makes free throw 1 of 2
7:54 89-78 Paul Millsap makes free throw 2 of 2
7:37 Pau Gasol makes driving layup 91-78
7:37 91-78 Paul Millsap illegal defense
7:24 91-78 Matt Harpring misses 19-foot jumper
7:22 Sasha Vujacic defensive rebound 91-78
7:05 Pau Gasol misses layup 91-78
7:05 Los Angeles defensive rebound 91-78
7:05 Ronny Turiaf loose ball foul (Paul Millsap draws the foul) 91-78
6:56 91-78 Ronny Turiaf blocks Carlos Boozer's dunk
6:54 91-78 Matt Harpring offensive rebound
6:43 91-80 Deron Williams makes two point shot
6:28 Kobe Bryant bad pass (Carlos Boozer steals) 91-80
6:22 91-82 Paul Millsap makes slam dunk (Deron Williams assists)
6:22 Los Angeles full timeout
6:22 Lamar Odom enters the game for Ronny Turiaf 91-82
6:22 Derek Fisher enters the game for Jordan Farmar 91-82
6:03 Kobe Bryant offensive foul (Matt Harpring draws the foul) 91-82
6:03 Kobe Bryant turnover 91-82
5:52 91-84 Carlos Boozer makes 13-foot jumper (Deron Williams assists)
5:31 Derek Fisher makes 11-foot running jumper 93-84
5:18 93-84 Carlos Boozer misses 17-foot jumper
5:16 93-84 Matt Harpring offensive rebound
5:16 Kobe Bryant personal foul (Matt Harpring draws the foul) 93-84
5:16 93-85 Matt Harpring makes free throw 1 of 2
5:16 93-86 Matt Harpring makes free throw 2 of 2
4:54 Kobe Bryant makes 25-foot three point jumper 96-86
4:33 96-86 Carlos Boozer misses 12-foot jumper
4:33 96-86 Utah defensive rebound
4:33 96-86 Carlos Boozer loose ball foul (Pau Gasol draws the foul)
4:33 96-86 Mehmet Okur enters the game for Carlos Boozer
4:20 Kobe Bryant makes 22-foot two point shot 98-86
4:20 98-86 Matt Harpring shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
4:20 98-86 Andrei Kirilenko enters the game for Matt Harpring
4:20 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 1 99-86
4:03 99-88 Deron Williams makes 11-foot running jumper
3:36 Paul Millsap blocks Lamar Odom's layup 99-88
3:34 99-88 Mehmet Okur defensive rebound
3:32 99-88 Paul Millsap offensive foul (Sasha Vujacic draws the foul)
3:32 99-88 Paul Millsap turnover
3:17 Pau Gasol bad pass 99-88
3:03 99-88 Mehmet Okur traveling
2:55 Lamar Odom traveling 99-88
2:55 99-88 Official timeout
2:32 99-91 Deron Williams makes 24-foot three point jumper
2:12 99-91 Paul Millsap shooting foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
2:12 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2 100-91
2:12 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2 101-91
1:59 101-94 Mehmet Okur makes 25-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
1:35 Kobe Bryant misses 18-foot jumper 101-94
1:31 101-94 Deron Williams defensive rebound
1:23 101-94 Deron Williams misses 6-foot running jumper
1:21 101-94 Paul Millsap offensive rebound
1:13 101-94 Mehmet Okur misses 21-foot jumper
1:13 Kobe Bryant defensive rebound 101-94
1:13 101-94 Deron Williams personal foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
1:13 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2 102-94
1:13 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2 103-94
1:02 103-97 Mehmet Okur makes three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
0:42 Andrei Kirilenko blocks Kobe Bryant's layup 103-97
0:39 103-97 Mehmet Okur defensive rebound
0:32 103-97 Mehmet Okur misses layup
0:31 103-97 Kyle Korver offensive rebound
0:25 103-100 Andrei Kirilenko makes 24-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
0:25 Los Angeles 20 Sec. timeout
0:19 103-100 Deron Williams personal foul (Lamar Odom draws the foul)
0:19 Lamar Odom makes free throw 1 of 2 104-100
0:19 Lamar Odom makes free throw 2 of 2 105-100
0:19 Utah 20 Sec. timeout
0:16 105-103 Andrei Kirilenko makes 24-foot three point jumper (Deron Williams assists)
0:15 105-103 Andrei Kirilenko personal foul (Kobe Bryant draws the foul)
0:15 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 1 of 2 106-103
0:15 Kobe Bryant makes free throw 2 of 2 107-103
0:15 Utah 20 Sec. timeout
0:13 107-105 Paul Millsap makes dunk (Kyle Korver assists)
0:12 107-105 Deron Williams personal foul (Derek Fisher draws the foul)
0:12 Derek Fisher makes free throw 1 of 2 108-105
0:12 Derek Fisher misses free throw 2 of 2 108-105
0:09 108-105 Paul Millsap defensive rebound
0:04 108-105 Mehmet Okur misses 24-foot three point jumper
0:03 108-105 Deron Williams offensive rebound
0:02 108-105 Deron Williams misses 26-foot three point jumper
0:00 108-105 Mehmet Okur offensive rebound
0:00 End Game
0:00 End of the 4th Quarter
The Jazz season ended with Deron taking the last shot, and scoring down the stretch to try and win the game.
The Hornets season ended with CP3 going scoreless the final 6:52 and deferring to Jannero mutha in Pargo, who plays in Europe right now.
Also 2 turnovers and a blown layup, along with 3 missed free throws out of five.
That's all you need to know. The rest such as Deron's head to head dominance, superior strength, versatility, and post up game, are just icing on the cake.
1. Deron
2. CP3
Ghazi, you are such a cry baby pussy . I hope the lakers eliminate your beloved mavs next month (THAT'S IF THEY MAKE THE PLAYOFFS). Just like the HORNETS did LOL.
CP3>>>>>DWILL
Not crying, just stating facts. At least the Jazz went down with Deron shooting the last shot. The Hornets went down with Jannero ing Pargo, not Chris Paul.
DUDE, you are obsessed with CP3 and his team, the LAKERS beat utah in 6 LOL. The Hornets eliminated the SORRY ASS MAVS in 5 and took the Spurs to a 7 game.
GET ON WITH IT
Even though CP3 gets on my nerves, he is the best PG in the game.
Isn't this thread a debate of CP3 and Deron? Epic Fail.
Look, I don't like CP3 either, but c'mon
Pargo was shooting well, so he passed him the ball
That's called identifying the hot hand
I dunno how you can say the NOH jump on the scene last year, when the previous years they were heading for a strong season if not for injuries....NOH imo peaks too early in the season and faints in March for some odd reason when other teams are starting to stride of become injury free heading towards the playoffs, while NOH stacks on with the injuries late.
I dont think t heres that much of a gap between them 2....its just that deron william fans dont like to give credit where its due vice versa....
Uhhh, Pargo is in Europe by choice, not because he couldn't get a gig in America. He was offered good money to stay in the NBA. But Europe offered better money. It's kind of a recurring theme these days (if you haven't noticed). So stop ing.
Your evidence is faulty.
First of all, Pargo took the last shot in a game with a 9 point difference. Unless that lay-up was going to be worth 9 points, it doesn't matter who takes that last shot in a game that was decided at that point.
Second of all, Paul was being guarded by Bruce Bowen most of that fourth quarter. Deron Williams was being guarded by Derek Fisher for most of that fourth quarter. Fisher is still a decent defender, but this is not the first time Bowen has played great denial defense on a player.
Third, Pargo was shooting ing lights out. A selfish egotistical player would have taken all of Pargo's shots in that fourth quarter. He scored 16 points in that quarter. It would be something different if Pargo missed all of his shots. He didn't. A good point guard keeps milking the hot hand.
Fourth, Okur and Kirilenko made the big three pointers in that Jazz-Lakers game that even allowed the Jazz to have a chance to tie that game back up, not Deron. 1:02 left in the game, down 9, Okur makes a three pointer, Kirilenko makes two three pointers, Okur takes and misses another three pointer, with 4 seconds left mind you. That was the real last shot if you paid attention to the play-by-play. Deron Williams' last shot was off of an offensive rebound scattered play.
I don't agree with this argument as a rational for why Deron's better, but it was a fluke the Hornets went 7 games against a banged up Spurs team. The Mavs are an abscess of a playoff team. Utah was/is a better team than NO.
A prime J-Kidd is >> than both.
easily. especially williams.
Well, if that's your prerogative, but...
If you deny that, you're a ing idiot.
in that same game Manu and duncan went scoreless the final 10:00, so i say there shouldn't be a kg/duncan debate or a manu/... debateThe Hornets season ended with CP3 going scoreless the final 6:52 and deferring to Jannero mutha in Pargo, who plays in Europe right now
ok this le is re ed but i would take williams over paul if i was starting my team with a PG
to the 8>3 crew. Lots of support for Deron the past little bit.
I know it may surprise you that other fans also think that Deron is a better prospect for a team. But hey Deron has more poise than CP3.
I love Deron's at ude and i don't think i've ever seen a player torch Parker like he did in 2007.
SpursDynasty is watching you.
He's the only member of the Jazz worth respecting. The rest of the team is either lying bags, flopping pussies, or hacking thugs who get away with it because they're white and love Jesus.
-SpursHaveFourRings
lol nothing new sons .... Ghazi the at it again.
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