How long Tony could carry us?????????

[le13]

Hello Guys!

I just want to let you know that i am a little bit worry about Tony carrying the team since quite one month now.. Since we are all waiting for Many and TD to come back healthy for the playoffs, Tony is doing a lot of works right now.

I know, all of you will tell me that this guy is young and blah blah blah... But the way Tony is playing is quite stressing for all his body (always in contact with other players, hitting the floor often..etc..)

Maybe we should use more GH.... and let tony just have less minutes to rest a bit..

Remember, if one of the big three is missing, we are not going to win this year........:depressed

[Bruno]

Parker isn't playing more minutes per game since Manu's injury. So even if he is taking more shots per game, I don't think it is a real problem.
And if Spurs continue like that, they will secure the #2 seed in the west before the last week of the regular season. Tony should get some rest before the playoffs.

BTW, welcome on this board and fuck Marseille. ;)

[stéphane]

fuck Marseille. ;)

Bitter soccer fan, Bruno?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Bitter soccer fan, Bruno?

Please please man don't use this awful word soccer, it's football :bang

[honestfool84]

Please please man don't use this awful word soccer, it's football :bang


:lol

soccer:

http://z.about.com/d/firstaid/1/0/R/4/-/-/Soccer416x594.jpg

football:
http://www.tauryx.com/walterpayton.JPG

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

:lol

football:

http://z.about.com/d/firstaid/1/0/R/4/-/-/Soccer416x594.jpg

pussified rugby with a quarterback:
http://www.tauryx.com/walterpayton.JPG

[Bruno]

Bitter soccer fan, Bruno?

Yes. :depressed

And fuck them. "our" biggest achievement is the Eiffel Tower while "theirs" is "plus belle la vie". :stirpot:

[Brazil]

I'm with Bruno on this one : Fuck Marseille !

[mathbzh]

You forgot "Paris Plage":nope

[Brazil]

Yes. :depressed

And fuck them. "our" biggest achievement is the Eiffel Tower while "theirs" is "plus belle la vie". :stirpot:

You're forgetting la bonne mère, le vieux port, la bouillabaise, Zidane, Pé A Pé Hein etc etc

[Bukefal]

Football: http://soccerlens.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/raul_real_madrid.jpg

Football: http://www.thewe.cc/thewei/_/images_1/us_terror_state_/real_madrid_aden.jpe


Soccer: http://www.psynip.nl/upload6/sps/vraagteken.gif

[Bukefal]

Anyway, he is doing alot more, he carries the team, he makes all the action. Its too bad, cause he need to rest before the playoffs. but i think tony does not mind, cause he's able to show alot more action, more points, even 3pts

[xtremesteven33]

Even though many people will deny it including Tony himself...

This team is no longer Duncans team anymore....its Parkers.

[SenorSpur]

It's much harder for a guard to carry a team because they are often forced into taking much more difficult shots and usually have to work harder to get them. Especially during the playoffs, where the game slows down and defenses are specifically geared to take away the oppositions strengths.

All that said, I have two concerns. First, I am worried that by carrying the load now, perhaps Tony will be gassed by the time the playoffs roll around. Second, good coaches, like Phil Jackson, have demonstrated they know how to shut Tony down over the course of a 7-game series.

Unless Manu and Tim are healthy enough that they can share their end of the load, none of it will matter.

[Pauleta14]

Yes. :depressed

And fuck them. "our" biggest achievement is the Eiffel Tower while "theirs" is "plus belle la vie". :stirpot:

:lmao:lmao

Paris est MAGIQUE !!!!!!!!
They only won because we are running out of gaz and nobody on the bench...
And by the way, the ref would NEVER have put a red card in Marseille (too afraid, ie: Barthez against Kalou...)
This was the turning point (10 against 11 with no energy...)

[Pauleta14]

You forgot "Paris Plage":nope

:lol This is for the tourist, the Parisians don't gve a shit...

[romain.star]

so basically, all french spurs fans are pro-PSG?? Fuckt that !

[romain.star]

:lmao:lmao

Paris est MAGIQUE !!!!!!!!
They only won because we are running out of gaz and nobody on the bench...
And by the way, the ref would NEVER have put a red card in Marseille (too afraid, ie: Barthez against Kalou...)
This was the turning point (10 against 11 with no energy...)

Red card or not, I think you would have loose anyway. Without sessegnon, this team is average... at best

[romain.star]

"would have lost" is better

[Pauleta14]

About TP, having a bigger role in the team have helped him to improve his decision making as well as his leadership...
We all don't see him now the way we did, even 3 months ago (ie: back to back dallas/portland, overall since the allstar break)
He can now be great on a consistant basis, he used to have up and down, specialy after great perf...

[Brazil]

Second, good coaches, like Phil Jackson, have demonstrated they know how to shut Tony down over the course of a 7-game series.



IMHO I believe today TP depends on himself, no system can shut down TP during 30 mn if he is in good shape, if his JS is here and if he wants to.

[mathbzh]

Back to the subject.

Did you notice that Parker statistics are insane when he plays without Ginobili?

In 18 games (not counting his 10 minutes pre-injury against Miami):
25.7 pts (50%) / 7.5 assits. Rather impressive... but even more if you considers he played only 35 minutes.
Just for the comparison:
On Chris Paul minutes (37.8), this would be 27.8 pts /8.2 ast:wow

[Brazil]

so basically, all french spurs fans are pro-PSG?? Fuckt that !


Are you crazy ? I'm anti marseillais and anti parisien. Go Bordeaux !!

[romain.star]

Back to the subject.

Did you notice that Parker statistics are insane when he plays without Ginobili?

In 18 games (not counting his 10 minutes pre-injury against Miami):
25.7 pts (50%) / 7.5 assits. Rather impressive... but even more if you considers he played only 35 minutes.
Just for the comparison:
On Chris Paul minutes (37.8), this would be 27.8 pts /8.2 ast:wow

Impressive indeed !

But what are the team records with and without Manu?

As a spur fan, it remains the most relevant indicator

[Pauleta14]

Red card or not, I think you would have loose anyway. Without sessegnon, this team is average... at best

You 're right about Sessegnon (the guy is REALY amazing...)
But I think our real problem is that our player really NEED a rest, not only physicaly, but mentaly them seem exhausted...
We can't have any turnover compare to marseille, lyon, bordeauxor even Lille...
We are too "shorthanded" (I think its the word..) and I"m realy concerned about the last 10 games (+ if we go further in UEFA cup!)

[mathbzh]

Impressive indeed !

But what are the team records with and without Manu?

As a spur fan, it remains the most relevant indicator

I agree with you 100%... But it is still impressive.

Edit:
For the record it is 10W/8L (10/9 if you include the loss against Miami)
Not that bad considering:
- The 3 initial loss that could be explained by the integration of new players and some players starting the season a bit rusty.
- A loss against Cleveland without Duncan.
- Losses @Portland, @Dallas, against LA.

[romain.star]

You 're right about Sessegnon (the guy is REALY amazing...)
But I think our real problem is that our player really NEED a rest, not only physicaly, but mentaly them seem exhausted...
We can't have any turnover compare to marseille, lyon, bordeauxor even Lille...
We are too "shorthanded" (I think its the word..) and I"m realy concerned about the last 10 games (+ if we go further in UEFA cup!)

You're right. A long run in the UEFA cup + a short bench + old key players (don't believe what they say, Make is deep in his 40' already) means 4 or 5th at best.

[Pauleta14]

IMHO I believe today TP depends on himself, no system can shut down TP during 30 mn if he is in good shape, if his JS is here and if he wants to.

I agree
+ It's all mental...
I mean even if he is in a good shape, he has to feel mentaly "comfortable", he used to have a "mental black" against teams or opponents (marbury, devin harris, the Lakers...), and the has nothing to do with talent or energy...
That's also why it's positive for him to take more reponsabilities, so that he can push his limits a beat his "nemesis" instead of always letting Manu the responsability to close the games...

[Pauleta14]

You're right. A long run in the UEFA cup + a short bench + old key players (don't believe what they say, Make is deep in his 40' already) means 4 or 5th at best.

:lmao

He was born in France so I don't thinkso + he is smart, and when you are you don't run for nothing you always find the spot to be...
+ he is not a "bodybulding" type of player, he is more a running man (lots of andurance)

About PSG, I think the coach should use ALL the young players in UEFA cup (even if we loose, its a good experience for them + it allow to rest the old guys...)
I still believe we can catch the champions league spot (at least the 3rd)

[sonic21]

only giuly and clement had a good game yesterday, the others are tired (except landreau who is only playing well 10 games/seasons)

[xapatan2]

so basically, all french spurs fans are pro-PSG?? Fuckt that !

Ahem !

I am (more lurking than writing) on this board since the days Tony was drafted... the start (well in fact the continuity) of a nice era for the Spurs, and for THE OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS...

( well ok, guys... we have been horrible these past weeks...)

Xap'

[stéphane]

so basically, all french spurs fans are pro-PSG??

Please, don't try to start a fight with me... :nope











TFC fan here

[Pauleta14]

Ahem !

I am (more lurking than writing) on this board since the days Tony was drafted... the start (well in fact the continuity) of a nice era for the Spurs, and for THE OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS...

( well ok, guys... we have been horrible these past weeks...)

Xap'

... Decades !! :lol
kidding...

Seriously, great team but not really great club (thks to Aulas?)
I mean nobody cares about lyon, even if you win 15 in a row...:lmao

[Pauleta14]

only giuly and clement had a good game yesterday, the others are tired (except landreau who is only playing well 10 games/seasons)

You mean EXHAUSTED!!
They kept running/fighting only thanks to adrenaline and for the "Parc".
And look at next week schedule!!! Scary...

[sonic21]

You mean EXHAUSTED!!
They kept running/fighting only thanks to adrenaline and for the "Parc".
And look at next week schedule!!! Scary...

but i'm still optimist for the title, lyon doesn't dominate their games so they suck at gerland, and even though marseille deserve to win yesterday, they don't impress me. For me bordeaux is the real threat ( but they are kinda weak mentally) so we'll see.

and i can see toulouse finishing 3rd

[Pauleta14]

but i'm still optimist for the title, lyon doesn't dominate their games so they suck at gerland, and even though marseille deserve to win yesterday, they don't impress me. For me bordeaux is the real threat ( but they are kinda weak mentally) so we'll see.

and i can see toulouse finishing 3rd

Unfortunately, I see Lyon champ again, they have nothing else to play...But the Ligue 1 is so "irrationelle" that EVERYTHING is possible.
My predictions:
1- Lyon (FUCK)
2- PSG (Hope)
3- Lille (I'm serious!)
4- Marseille (if they go far in UEFA, if not 3rd)

[it's me]

it's futbol you morons...... or fulbo... ask some argentinians.

[Dex]

I agree
+ It's all mental...
I mean even if he is in a good shape, he has to feel mentaly "comfortable", he used to have a "mental black" against teams or opponents (marbury, devin harris, the Lakers...), and the has nothing to do with talent or energy...
That's also why it's positive for him to take more reponsabilities, so that he can push his limits a beat his "nemesis" instead of always letting Manu the responsability to close the games...

I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson spikes Tony's Gatorade or something before every Lakers game, because he has always been off going up against them.

Teams that know how to pack the lane have historically given him trouble. The Lakers and Mavericks always seemed to have his number, as did teams like the Nets and Pistons back in their day.

Parker's midrange jumpshot has definitely helped him to deal with this tactic, but you'll now find games like the one against L.A. where he starts becoming reliant upon it, and that stalls out the rest of the offense unless he's just on fire.

[phxspurfan]

Even though many people will deny it including Tony himself...

This team is no longer Duncans team anymore....its Parkers.

:lol

They all say the same thing every time; Duncan is the rock, Parker is the engine, Manu is the heart of the team. Everyone contributes and without one or two they aren't the Spurs.

[romain.star]

:lmao

He was born in France so I don't thinkso + he is smart, and when you are you don't run for nothing you always find the spot to be...
+ he is not a "bodybulding" type of player, he is more a running man (lots of andurance)

About PSG, I think the coach should use ALL the young players in UEFA cup (even if we loose, its a good experience for them + it allow to rest the old guys...)
I still believe we can catch the champions league spot (at least the 3rd)

makelele might be smart but he was born in Kinshasa not in france.

Officially in 1973 but it probably is around the mid 60'. He probably had to lie to sign for the youth Nantes team

[phxspurfan]

On topic: I always thought this year might be lost b/c we were not healthy from the start. Duncan has been overworked since carrying the load early in the season. Parker has had to carry it lately and where is Manu? I hope we get some regenerative powers before PO time.

[Pauleta14]

I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson spikes Tony's Gatorade or something before every Lakers game, because he has always been off going up against them.

Teams that know how to pack the lane have historically given him trouble. The Lakers and Mavericks always seemed to have his number, as did teams like the Nets and Pistons back in their day.

Parker's midrange jumpshot has definitely helped him to deal with this tactic, but you'll now find games like the one against L.A. where he starts becoming reliant upon it, and that stalls out the rest of the offense unless he's just on fire.


I think (one of) the solutions, might be for him to just focus on playmaking at the beginning of the game, getting all his teamates involved, so that they start focusing on somebody else, then progressively taking all the opportunities that are given to him...
Most of the time, as he is their main focus (as from the Celtics by the way), they prevent him to go to the rim and he starts losing his confidence...
I think that's maybe his biggest next step (with the 3pts), knowing when he has to be patient, attack...
He has already shown a great improvement in that area, but it's a work in progress...
...
I just remembered he is only 26 !!!!
WAOW

[Pauleta14]

makelele might be smart but he was born in Kinshasa not in france.

Officially in 1973 but it probably is around the mid 60'. He probably had to lie to sign for the youth Nantes team

You're right :toast

Anyway I'm still amazed by his physical abilities...

It's like Mutombo! some people say he is near to 50 years old!!!:lol

[romain.star]

i'm not afraid about manu being healthy at this point... i just hope he'll find his rythm on time cause last time he came back from his injury earlier this season, it took him many many games to find his confidence back

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Tony will be fine. Remember this isn't the 2008 team with the old geezer back court reserves, and Vaughn playing lots of minutes at the point.

[Yuixafun]

Being 26 myself, we don't get tired. Just need to recharge the battery every so often.

A few days off and TP will be ready to go. Although in the first few rounds he should look to distribute, just to see how our new players fare.

He's at the point where he knows how to pick and choose his spots.

I still gotta think the Lakers know how to shut him down though, since 2004. 4 straight losses after they clogged the lane and started knocking him down.

Tp's vastly improved but the Lakers did too. Not much daylight in the paint for TP to do his thing. I hope his jumper is on when the Spurs face them.

[Pauleta14]

i'm not afraid about manu being healthy at this point... i just hope he'll find his rythm on time cause last time he came back from his injury earlier this season, it took him many many games to find his confidence back

I even think him not playing right now might be our biggest advantage coming the PO!!
He just has to be healthy for the last 10 games to find his rythm (if we lock the 2nd, ther will be no pressure on winning the last games and he'll feel free to do what he wants on the court...)
The same way all the injuries Utah had are "paying" now...

[romain.star]

Being 26 myself, we don't get tired. Just need to recharge the battery every so often.

A few days off and TP will be ready to go. Although in the first few rounds he should look to distribute, just to see how our new players fare.

He's at the point where he knows how to pick and choose his spots.

I still gotta think the Lakers know how to shut him down though, since 2004. 4 straight losses after they clogged the lane and started knocking him down.

Tp's vastly improved but the Lakers did too. Not much daylight in the paint for TP to do his thing. I hope his jumper is on when the Spurs face them.

I hope too cause i can't see the spurs passing the lakers if TP's JS is off

[Josepatches_]

Even though many people will deny it including Tony himself...

This team is no longer Duncans team anymore....its Parkers.


SO this team is no going to be NBA champion anymore.


When TD can't be the leader of the team then our chance to reach the finals and win the NBA will be 0.That's the difference between TD and TP.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

SO this team is no going to be NBA champion anymore.


When TD can't be the leader of the team then our chance to reach the finals and win the NBA will be 0.That's the difference between TD and TP.

+ 1


No offense to that poster, but what he said was frikin' retarded.

[Trimble87]

Since the early 1990s (excluding the 04 pistons and 08 celtics) your team hasnt won a championship unless you have had MJ, Hakeem, Shaq or Duncan... thats how great a player duncan is. Winning a championship is unbelievably hard and every generation gets a handful of guys capable of delivering it... Duncan is one of them.


That being said, in a few years Duncan will be retired and so will Pop. This is going to be Tony's team. Him having a larger role and becoming more of a floor leader is important for our future, and with the way parker has played of late the future is bright in San Antonio imo.


*edit no disrespect to Wade or Kobe, using Shaq just makes it a shorter list :D

[ducks]

It's much harder for a guard to carry a team because they are often forced into taking much more difficult shots and usually have to work harder to get them. Especially during the playoffs, where the game slows down and defenses are specifically geared to take away the oppositions strengths.

All that said, I have two concerns. First, I am worried that by carrying the load now, perhaps Tony will be gassed by the time the playoffs roll around. Second, good coaches, like Phil Jackson, have demonstrated they know how to shut Tony down over the course of a 7-game series.

Unless Manu and Tim are healthy enough that they can share their end of the load, none of it will matter.tp better this year then last
and tp did attack last game late against lakers

also tp said he figured how rockets were guarding him and told duncan what to do and it worked

[ducks]

SO this team is no going to be NBA champion anymore.


When TD can't be the leader of the team then our chance to reach the finals and win the NBA will be 0.That's the difference between TD and TP.

really that is what people said with david
spurs won rings then

[spursfaninla]

This thread is so jacked up....talk about hijacking...

[xtremesteven33]

+ 1


No offense to that poster, but what he said was frikin' retarded.



Name one player who you can say has been the MVP for the Spurs this year???



I rest my case.

[kace]

well, for only one of few times there is a thread about how tony is carrying us and praising him, there is a useless "whose team is this ?" debate to waste it.

Tim has always be and still is the franchise player of this team. He was when TP had his well deserved Finals MVP in 2007 and he still is this RS where TP could easily be our best player. It's Tim's team, point.

Great job from Tony anyway.

[DPG21920]

Name one player who you can say has been the MVP for the Spurs this year???



I rest my case.

Uh, Duncan, considering he is actually in the race for MVP:rolleyes

http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/rob_peterson/12/05/race.to.mvp/index.html

[xtremesteven33]

well, for only one of few times there is a thread about how tony is carrying us and praising him, there is a useless "whose team is this ?" debate to waste it.

Tim has always be and still is the franchise player of this team. He was when TP had his well deserved Finals MVP in 2007 and he still is this RS where TP could easily be our best player. It's Tim's team, point.

Great job from Tony anyway.



I had said earlier (which nobody would point to) that one cant do without the other.

TD makes TP great, and vice versa. But this year its plain to see that Parker is hitting his prime and Duncan is exiting his prime.

Its not a knock on Duncan, (hes my favorite player) but Parker has been the Spurs MVP this year and may be for the next couple of years.

[xtremesteven33]

Uh, Duncan, considering he is actually in the race for MVP:rolleyes

http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/rob_peterson/12/05/race.to.mvp/index.html


haha December 6
:blah

[DPG21920]

haha December 6
:blah

Show me the updated one with Tony ahead of Tim :hat

[xtremesteven33]

Show me the updated one with Tony ahead of Tim :hat



ur a dumbass. Obviously you wont answer the question of whos had the better overall season.

[DPG21920]

Even though many people will deny it including Tony himself...

This team is no longer Duncans team anymore....its Parkers.


:lol

They all say the same thing every time; Duncan is the rock, Parker is the engine, Manu is the heart of the team. Everyone contributes and without one or two they aren't the Spurs.


SO this team is no going to be NBA champion anymore.


When TD can't be the leader of the team then our chance to reach the finals and win the NBA will be 0.That's the difference between TD and TP.


+ 1


No offense to that poster, but what he said was frikin' retarded.

:blah

[DPG21920]

ur a dumbass. Obviously you wont answer the question of whos had the better overall season.

Kettle calling the pot black. I ask you to answer questions and you just call me a dumbass. I post links, you post smilies.

To answer your question, Tim played better early, TP better now. Overall, Tim has played better. Tony has been fantastic and stepped up his game.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Efficiency.jsp

Tim's efficiency has been better.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if parker cant even carry this team

then there should be no discussion this is his team

[Yuixafun]

Tony can carry the team, as he demonstrated with back to back 30 point games earlier this year.

But the playoffs and vs elite teams is a different story.

TP is not Kobe or D-Wade.

I'm hoping for a 100% Manu with rust, 90% TP and 80% Duncan for the playoff run.

The role players will have to just Jell on the fly.

We'll see how good a coach POP really is this post season.

If he can juggle his star players health, and somehow foster team cohesion in a limited time frame.. man its gonna be tough. Pop has to make almost every right move. The Spurs have the ingredients to win it all but the margin for error is small.

Parker will have to do the heavy lifting with the role players, while Manu gets up to speed. As Manu finds his groove, he can shoulder more of the load and hopefully the new Spurs figure it out quick how to play with him.

Duncan has to hold down the defense, use all he has for defense.

[DPG21920]

Tony has had a freak of a year. I am so proud of how he has elevated his game. He is imo, the 2nd best point guard in the league. He is going to have to have a huge playoff, if things currently stand.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Tony has had a freak of a year. I am so proud of how he has elevated his game. He is imo, the 2nd best point guard in the league. He is going to have to have a huge playoff, if things currently stand.

are you serious?

i got him behind cp3/deron/ghill/vaughn....

[DPG21920]

are you serious?

i got him behind cp3/deron/ghill/vaughn....

CP3, TP9, Hill, Deron, JV

[JUUOT]

back on topic: fuck lyon, fuck paris, fuck marseille, vive les sang et or, oaller lensois!

PS: we are way too many french people on this forum. By the way I am interested in doing a GTG for the payoffs

[Brazil]

back on topic: fuck lyon, fuck paris, fuck marseille, vive les sang et or, oaller lensois!

PS: we are way too many french people on this forum. By the way I am interested in doing a GTG for the payoffs

Le Raaaacing Cluuuub de Lens la lallalalala Le Racccing Club de Lens lalalalal ....

[sonic21]

back on topic: fuck lyon, fuck paris, fuck marseille, vive les sang et or, oaller lensois!

PS: we are way too many french people on this forum. By the way I am interested in doing a GTG for the payoffs

you're not canadian?

[Pauleta14]

back on topic: fuck lyon, fuck paris, fuck marseille, vive les sang et or, oaller lensois!

PS: we are way too many french people on this forum. By the way I am interested in doing a GTG for the payoffs

What does it mean?

[sonic21]

What does it mean?

Get together

[GSH]

Parker isn't playing more minutes per game since Manu's injury. So even if he is taking more shots per game, I don't think it is a real problem.
And if Spurs continue like that, they will secure the #2 seed in the west before the last week of the regular season. Tony should get some rest before the playoffs.

BTW, welcome on this board and fuck Marseille. ;)


Rare for the first reply to sum things up so perfectly. The OP asked how long TP could carry the Spurs. I don't know. But with Tim being less than 100%, we aren't going far without Tony.

You can't prevent freak injuries. But while Tony's minutes may be a little tougher, he isn't having to do anything super-human for the Spurs to get their wins. As long as his minutes aren't being affected, Tony should be fine for the playoffs.

[spurspokesman]

He's killing us with his turnovers. Very reckless at times but he's still the man.

[thiste]

:lol

soccer:

http://z.about.com/d/firstaid/1/0/R/4/-/-/Soccer416x594.jpg

football:
http://www.tauryx.com/walterpayton.JPG

And yet, guess who's the one of the two actually using his foot on the ball...



P.S.: fuck marseilles

[ducks]

He's killing us with his turnovers. Very reckless at times but he's still the man.

how man did duncan have
thank you

[Spursmania]

They all sucked tonight, yes ducks, including Tony. Too many turnovers period. Spurs need to get over it and regroup for tomorrow.