Game Blog: Spurs vs Timberwolves 3/17/09

[Libri]

TP j!

[Ice009]

You know what I'm starting to think that if we just got Dwight Howard he'd be sitting on the bench right now and Pop would be playing Bonner. FUCKING CRAZY.

[Spurs Brazil]

TP J, 19pts

Spurs up 4

[Indazone]

Now if you still had Mensu Bonsu..oh wait

[Yorae]

Tony!

[Spursmania]

Where's Gooden?

[Libri]

Is Gooden done for the night?

[45 bank shot]

c'mon face it, pop is getting old and stupid

[SpursFan0728]

Fab

[ace3g]

Oberto with a nice drive!!!

[45 bank shot]

great, 60-59....

[Spursmania]

Fab had enough of the T=wolf shit.

[Spurs Brazil]

Oberto scores!

[Malice]

Oberto scores!

Who?:lol

[Spursmania]

Pop please keep Bowen in.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

So Fab, who is fucking useless in the post, gets 4-down, but Gooden sits???

:pctoss

[Mugen]

who is supposed to score with that lineup pop?

[Spursmania]

Fab and Miller same hairstyles:lol

[45 bank shot]

who is supposed to score with that lineup pop?

himself? lol

[lefty]

Oberto scored?

WTF?

[Spurs Brazil]

Mason Jr 33333333333333333333333333333

FINALLY

[arodz]

Tech on Miller

[Yorae]

Mason! There ya go!

[Libri]

technical on Miller

[Spursmania]

F-i-n-a-l-l-y! Offensive foul and a T on Miller.

[Spurs Brazil]

T on Miller

[The Franchise]

That was a shit call on Miller.

[Spursmania]

Maybe Mason will get going now.

[ace3g]

Oberto draws the O foul on Miller

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

These refs are a fucking joke too.

I rarely get angry during an NBA game any more, but this one is really pissing me off.

[Mugen]

that was bs T on miller but ill take it.

[benefactor]

So Fab, who is fucking useless in the post, gets 4-down, but Gooden sits???

:pctoss
Don't really understand it either. If you want a player to learn your plays and system I think you would want to get him extra minutes when the player he is backing up is out.

[Libri]

Mason heating up?

[The Franchise]

Mason is warming up.

[Spursmania]

Mason gettting warmer...let's see if he gets hot.

[Spurs Brazil]

Mason Jr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spurs up 68-60 after the 3rd

[45 bank shot]

well i'd say starting last year, all the calls were pretty anti-spurs

[Yorae]

masondog!

[GSH]

Whatever else you say about Fab, he does set nice solid picks. Great play with him and Mason for the 3.

[ace3g]

Mason Jr with a "Vinny" 3 off the screen

[boutons_]

D-league night

[Ice009]

Huge shots from Mason. Quite a questionable lineup Pop had out there, but Mason came through with some big shots.

[alchemist]

Didn't Oberto leave his feet? Bad call on the official.

[SpursFan0728]

Fab is actually playing ok

[Spursmania]

Don't really understand it either. If you want a player to learn your plays and system I think you would want to get him extra minutes when the player he is backing up is out.


Yes. What is going on? Now is a perfect time to play Gooden.

[Yorae]

We're shooting 42% and that's an improvement. Unfortunately, defense went to sleep as the wolves are now shooting 45%. We've also wreak havoc on the offensive glass 9 against 1.

[Libri]

Mason taking over

[Spurs Brazil]

Mason Jr 8-0 run

[Yorae]

Wohoo! Mason! Now D Up!

[Thomas82]

Yes. What is going on? Now is a perfect time to play Gooden.

I'm surprised he has only played 5 minutes.

[Yorae]

Woops. Heat check.

[Spurs Brazil]

Oberto with 6FTA

[45 bank shot]

good stuff fab, but c'mon gooden will do way better

[benefactor]

I guess we are getting Oberto ready for the playoffs instead of Gooden...........:pctoss

[Mavs<Spurs]

You know what I'm starting to think that if we just got Dwight Howard he'd be sitting on the bench right now and Pop would be playing Bonner. FUCKING CRAZY.

I agree with you and Ruff.

Why? Why Pop, why is Bonner playing instead of Gooden?

[ace3g]

nice pass from Udoka to Oberto

[SpursFan0728]

wow FAB lol

[Yorae]

Oberto!

[45 bank shot]

nice fab from doka

[Brazil]

Fabricio !!

[arodz]

OH SHIT. They completed an interior pass??? Who Knew.

[Spursmania]

Okay that was damn nice the screen and roll!

[Ice009]

Nice pass Udoka!

[Spurs Brazil]

Oberto from Ime!!!!!!

12pts for Oberto

[45 bank shot]

lol it seems fab can't even jump

[Thomas82]

Oberto from Ime!!!!!!

12pts for Oberto

That's very surprising.

[45 bank shot]

good hustle fab

[Spurs Brazil]

Good play Oberto

[Spurs Brazil]

Oberto again on D

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Very nice to see Fab back :tu

[Mavs<Spurs]

Ime and Oberto hooking up is surprising.

:lol

[Libri]

That was a good hustle play from Fab. ha

[Spursmania]

Momentum is with the Spurs now...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Wow, 3/19 and 4/19 from 3 in b-2-b. Ouch.

[Malice]

Man, you are some cynical sons of bitches...lol.

[Yorae]

We actually have 9 steals now

[Spursmania]

Oberto slow but he's a damn smart player. So, does Pop put in Gooden? The line-up now is doing well.

[The Franchise]

This game looks like the Spurs vs the Rec. League Allstars. It's almost to hard to watch the Spurs seem so uninterested.

[Mugen]

with the way bonner is shooting, a playoff rotation of TD, Thomas, Kurt, and Fab doesnt look too bad.

ive been all for fab getting more mins all year long.

[Brazil]

I hope everybody noted the 0 TO / 2 STL and 6 assists of TP.

[Thomas82]

Oberto slow but he's a damn smart player. So, does Pop put in Gooden? The line-up now is doing well.

He might be done for the night.

[Yorae]

Masondog!

[Spursmania]

Mason Jr. on fire!

[45 bank shot]

i wasn't watch earlier, so what basically did gooden mess up?
PoP is one hell of a stubbourn-ass

[benefactor]

I'm glad Oberto is playing well...but let's be serious here. Gooden needs the floor time. I just can't agree with nailing him to the bench in a game like this.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It's a wonder we are even in this game given that we've been abysmal from 3 and had no inside presence whatsoever.

Fab's played a good game, but Gooden's post-game is like a homeless man's Duncan, and it's inconceivable why he didn't get 15 shots in the low post tonight.

[Spurs Brazil]

Mason Jr 3333333333333333333333

[Brazil]

Now +14 pleasse no BS spurs

[Ice009]

Try and get TP the rest of the night off. He deserves it.

[Yorae]

Oberto have 4 of our 6 TOs

[Mavs<Spurs]

spurs up 14!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

He might be done for the night.

No, he IS done for the night. That was clear 2 mins into the 3rd quarter.

[Spurs Brazil]

Bad refs

[Libri]

Finley back in

[45 bank shot]

No, he IS done for the night. That was clear 2 mins into the 3rd quarter.

so what did he do?

[Spurs Brazil]

Wolves cut to 9

[Brazil]

so what did he do?

Only Pop know

[Spurs Brazil]

so what did he do?

Pop went small

[Spursmania]

Guess Pops wants Gooden to learn and make mistakes against the Celtics Friday.

[45 bank shot]

n still no gooden, this is driving me nuts

[arodz]

It's 9:30 and there's still 7:25 to go. Is this game dragging or what?

[alchemist]

Gooden already in Pop's "Dog House"? :pctoss

[45 bank shot]

pop went small

bs

[Thomas82]

It's 9:30 and there's still 7:25 to go. Is this game dragging or what?

It definately is.

[Brazil]

I like the way Mason is helping the team

[Spurs Brazil]

Love with 15rebs

[Spursmania]

Gooden must have pissed off Pops. Now KT and no Gooden in.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

i wasn't watch earlier, so what basically did gooden mess up?
PoP is one hell of a stubbourn-ass

Nothing that I saw.

Pop's obviously got his own idea - probably thought it was a good game to get Fab some time - but hell, Gooden would've killed this donut team, and he need time on the court too.

Why not play Gooden with Fab?

Pop is a great coach, but about 5 games a season he is incomprehensible.

[Thomas82]

n still no gooden, this is driving me nuts

I don't understand that either.

[Spurs Brazil]

Thomas in for Oberto

[Brazil]

fabricio with 5 fouls !

[Ice009]

FUCKING POP. Play Gooden.

Here is another angle. Gooden didn't tweak his groin or anything did he?

[Spursmania]

I like the way Mason is helping the team


Yes, but I wish he had helped last night:(

[arodz]

The fucked up thing is, the local reporters are too scared to question Pop about Gooden.

[45 bank shot]

Thomas in for Oberto

iight i used to have some doubts, now it seems that case is closed-Gooden------>Bench

[Spurs Brazil]

Shit!

Wolves cut to 6

[Spursmania]

Thank you-TP!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Kevin Love's game has improved hugely since the start of the season. He's more than just a rebounder now.

[Yorae]

TP to stop the bleeding!

[Spurs Brazil]

TP layup!!!!!!!!!!

[Horse]

You know maybe Pop is just letting Gooden get in shape and learn the scheme.

[45 bank shot]

The fucked up thing is, the local reporters are too scared to question Pop about Gooden.

I still respect this old man for 4 :lobt2:'s.
But c'mon u signed this great low-post presence and freeze it ....

[Brazil]

Tp 0 to !!

[Thomas82]

iight i used to have some doubts, now it seems that case is closed-Gooden------>Bench

I kind of figured he was done for the night.

[45 bank shot]

You know maybe Pop is just letting Gooden get in shape and learn the scheme.

N maybe itz the same thing Vaughn
lol

[45 bank shot]

well if we let this one go away, i'd really hate pop

[Horse]

My concern is Duncan I mean, I could see resting him on back to backs. But couple that with his non-aggresive play lately and you have to wonder how bad his knee is.

[Spurs Brazil]

Finley 2/2FTs

Spurs up 10

[Spurs Brazil]

Love 12pts 17rebs

[Spurs Brazil]

Wolves cut to 6 again

[Brazil]

Fuck Finley ! why this guy keeps on shooting?

[Borosai]

Maybe Pop wants the eighth seed so they can face the Lakers in the first round.

[Brazil]

yesterday 3-10 today 3-8

[45 bank shot]

back up to 10, well at least Bowen is in

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs getting to the line a lot today

[Yorae]

if only we shot at least this good at the free throw line yesterday....

[Libri]

Hill!!

[Spurs Brazil]

Hill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Brazil]

georgie taking care of the business

[Yorae]

Hilldog!

[Spursmania]

Yes, I'm glad Pop had Bowen in the game tonight. Gooden is in the shithouse.

[duncan228]

My concern is Duncan I mean, I could see resting him on back to backs. But couple that with his non-aggresive play lately and you have to wonder how bad his knee is.

It's actually both knees. His left is a chronic thing, it's been bugging him all season. The right is a bigger concern, but it is both.

I think it's worse than we know, but I'm hoping Pop is right and the extra rest will help.

Duncan will play through pain, he has before with success. But only time will tell us how well he'll be able to rise this year.

[Brazil]

lol Foye

[Capt Bringdown]

Why aren't we using Gooden? This seems like a perfect opportunity to let him learn our system better. Nice going, Pop.

Pop needs to take some of his own medicine regarding "getting over yourself." Enough with the fatherly punishments.

[Spurs Brazil]

TP!!!!!

24pts

Spurs up 12 with 2:45 to go

[Horse]

That should hopefully put it away and Timmy can get plenty of rest for boston.

[Brazil]

TP another day at the office, not a perfect shooting night but I do like the 2 stl 0 To

[benefactor]

Why aren't we using Gooden? This seems like a perfect opportunity to let him learn our system better. Nice going, Pop.

Pop needs to take some of his own medicine regarding "getting over yourself." Enough with the fatherly punishments.
If he is punishing him then that is just flat stupid. How many games has he played now?

[Behrooz24]

What's up w/Gooden?

[Spursmania]

Yeah, Pop rested the big three in Denver prior to playing Boston. Guess he wants to make a statement again this Friday.

[benefactor]

What's up w/Gooden?
Figure it out and let us know...because we are all clueless.

[Ice009]

Great game from TP tonight.

[Brazil]

What's up w/Gooden?

a lot of hypo : pop is mad, pop is the devil, doghouse, punishment,

[Brazil]

Great game from TP tonight.

:toast

[Ice009]

Nice pass Bruce.

[Spursmania]

That was sweet, I wish Pop had played Bowen more last night.

[Spurs Brazil]

Thomas 10pts 10rebs

[sook]

wtF? How are the spurs winning? I expected a blowout loss

[Ice009]

Condor Hill. Longest arms in the West? ;).

[Spursmania]

wtF? How are the spurs winning? I expected a blowout loss

:lol It might have been but TP and the players stepped it up.

[Brazil]

wtF? How are the spurs winning? I expected a blowout loss

W/O Tim and Pop to complicate a litle bit more just played Gooden 5 min.

[Thomas82]

It's actually both knees. His left is a chronic thing, it's been bugging him all season. The right is a bigger concern, but it is both.

I think it's worse than we know, but I'm hoping Pop is right and the extra rest will help.

Duncan will play through pain, he has before with success. But only time will tell us how well he'll be able to rise this year.

I'm hoping that whenever he finally can rest, this will be the end of the knee trouble for him.

[Spurs Brazil]

Spurs win 93-86

[Brazil]

didn't notice the KT 10 9 5

[spurastic]

If it's a guessing game about Gooden, then I guess that he is still recovering and Pop is limiting his minutes. He has said that he is sore after games.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why aren't we using Gooden? This seems like a perfect opportunity to let him learn our system better. Nice going, Pop.

Pop needs to take some of his own medicine regarding "getting over yourself." Enough with the fatherly punishments.

Yeah, you're only about 15 pages late on that call. :rolleyes

[Ice009]

Tim doesn't look too excited at all.

[benefactor]

a lot of hypo : pop is mad, pop is the devil, doghouse, punishment,
I'm sure you will be cursing him in the playoffs when he doesn't know the system well enough to be effective.

[Mugen]

im glad we won, but not a lot of positives from this game.

i hope playing boston inspires us to play better ball.

[Thomas82]

If it's a guessing game about Gooden, then I guess that he is still recovering and Pop is limiting his minutes. He has said that he is sore after games.

I hope for his sake, that's all it is.

[Brazil]

I'm sure you will be cursing him in the playoffs when he doesn't know the system well enough to be effective.

I hope at least Manu will remember the system

[45 bank shot]

Yeah, you're only about 15 pages late on that call. :rolleyes
lols

[SpursPreacher]

I take out of this the defense is getting stronger.

[Spursmania]

Well, glad we won. On to Boston...

[benefactor]

I hope at least Manu will remember the system
We will need both against the Lakers to get past them.

[Capt Bringdown]

Yeah, you're only about 15 pages late on that call. :rolleyes

Thanks, smart ass. I don't recall claiming it was an flash of new insight.

Go fuck yourself, jackass.

[duncan228]

I'm hoping that whenever he finally can rest, this will be the end of the knee trouble for him.

Off season will help, but the tendonosis is degenerative, from what I've gathered it never goes away completely.

And the left knee is chronic, it's the one he had surgery on. Again, the summer rest will help, but I think he'll deal with knees the rest of his career. It will be a matter of severity.

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems to be.

[Thomas82]

Off season will help, but the tendonosis is degenerative, from what I've gathered it never goes away completely.

And the left knee is chronic, it's the one he had surgery on. Again, the summer rest will help, but I think he'll deal with knees the rest of his career. It will be a matter of severity.

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems to be.


If that's the case, hopefully the trouble with the knees will be kept to a minimum.

[Ice009]

I said a couple of pages ago that maybe Gooden sat because of his groin? Maybe he told Pop or the trainers at half time that his groin was bothering him so Pop decided to sit him.

That is pretty much the only excuse I will accept from Pop on why he didn't get anymore court time ;).

[tomtom]

wow props to oberto! veteran experience baby!

[duncan228]

Winning wall.

http://www.nba.com/media/spurs/wallpaper_090317_1024.jpg

[ManuTP9]

glad we got the win

[Obstructed_View]

Did anyone ask Pop after the game why Gooden got so little burn, particularly with Duncan out?

[GSH]

Off season will help, but the tendonosis is degenerative, from what I've gathered it never goes away completely.

And the left knee is chronic, it's the one he had surgery on. Again, the summer rest will help, but I think he'll deal with knees the rest of his career. It will be a matter of severity.

I hope I'm wrong, but that's what it seems to be.

I just learned something about tendinosis that I had never heard before. When a tendon is damaged, it takes around 100 days for the body to produce new collagen. I don't know how extensive Tim's tendinosis is, or how much healing is possible. But he's going to need the whole summer (if not longer) to find out.

Your assessment is pretty much on target. As long as he is playing basketball, the pain isn't going away. I had hoped that the damage was not very extensive, because of how quickly they brought him back. But if he is in as much pain as people say, it will probably be with him for the remainder of his career.

They are doing some promising work on new treatments involving stem cells, and shockwave therapy. There is also a treatment where they use an irritant to cause the body to "re-heal" the affected area of tendon, hopefully with normal collagen. They claim that many of the people who have been in trials have emerged pain-free. Unfortunately, this particular condition has attracted more than its share of quacks in recent years, so I don't know if any of the treatments, other than (future) stem-cell treatment, are real. I'm trying to find out for my own benefit, so if anybody else learns more I would be interested.

I found a good picture the shows the difference between normal tendon tissue, and the abnormally-healed tendon tissue present in tendinosis. You will understand why they call it "degenerative".
http://www.athleticadvisor.com/images/tendinosis.gif

http://www.athleticadvisor.com/Injuries/General_Inj/tendosis.htm

[duncan228]

I'm trying to find out for my own benefit, so if anybody else learns more I would be interested.

Thanks for the info. I'd also be interested in anything more people learn.

I think it will be with him for the rest of his career. He can play through pain, and he said he'll "manage and deal with it", but I'm concerned about how much it's going to impact his game.

[crc21209]

I'm guessing Pop is protecting Gooden from possibly reaggravating the injury, plus he wasn't doing so great out there so why play him. Fab and KT were holding the fort down. Plus Gooden is still learning the system little by little....we all saw what Gooden did against Houston so he should be fine.

[TampaDude]

The Spurs got the win. The Lakers lost. All in all, a good night. :toast

[crc21209]

2 Big games coming up for the Spurs next, against Boston and Houston now....hopefully they can win both.

[Thomas82]

The Spurs got the win. The Lakers lost. All in all, a good night. :toast

Even Boston lost tonight. Not a bad night at all.

[spurastic]

I'm just hoping that the tendinosis will not be career ending. Reading up on this conditon can be frightening. So I guess it depends of the severity of Tim's condition. I did read somewhere that ice packs and physical therapy can help to some degree.

tendinosis
The suffix "osis" implies a pathology of chronic degeneration without inflammation. Doctors prefer the term tendinosis for the kind of chronic tendon injuries that most of us have. The main problem for someone with tendinosis is failed healing, not inflammation; tendinosis is an accumulation over time of microscopic injuries that don't heal properly. Although inflammation can be involved in the initial stages of the injury, it is the inability of the tendon to heal that perpetuates the pain and disability. Most of the pain associated with tendinosis probably comes not from inflammation but from other irritating biochemical substances associated with the injury (see The Pain of Tendinosis and Overuse Tendon Injuries: Where Does The Pain Come From? for more information).[42]

http://www.tendinosis.org/

[spurs girl21]

wow thats pretty cool that the spurs beat the timberwolves I missed that game.