Barry

[E20]

17 Points, 6-11 (3-6 on threes)
7 Asissts
5 Rebounds

It's against the Hornets, but improvement again.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll take it, and his backers need to drop this "not a spot up shooter" crap.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

nice game, i was happy to see this stat sheet, now if he can do this against a good team, i'll be very impressed

[kskonn]

Manu being out could not come at a better time. Barry got some great minutes, in a time where his spirits were down, and we played some teams where he could get his confidence back. I also feel he understands what his roll on the court should be. He was able to get good extended play to figure it out. Like he just said in his interview, Hopefully his teamates and coaches will continue to support him and he can start playing more like he did tonight. If he continues to be as effective as he has been I think his emergence is the best thing that will have come out of the last three games.

[American Grace]

nice game, i was happy to see this stat sheet, now if he can do this against a good team, i'll be very impressed

Barry has had big games against good teams. He hit the biggest 3 pointers of the season and he still gets called a choker. If he has a bad game against a bad team people still say he choked, and when he has a good game people say it was meaningless. Saying you will be impressed if he does it against a good team is not true, because he has already done it and you obviously weren't impressed. Barry just can't win in this town. Spurs fans have designated him as the offical scapegoat and player to be hated. They have called him everything from a choker to a coward because he came to a new team that plays a totally different style of basketball, and isn't shooting 40%. I've seen people use his ft% as proof he is choking. I've even seen people call him a bad passer because he makes 1 turnover in a game. While Devin Brown and Beno Udrich are allowed to make 4 or 5 turnovers in a game, including some that lose games, and they don't get 1/10th the criticism Barry does.

[IceColdBrewski]

Big props to Barry tonight. I fully expect him to step it up in the playoffs.

[ChumpDumper]

Devin and Barry have lost the tentativeness, hopefully not just temporarily.

[ducks]

barry and brent have nothing to lose now
pop can not bench them with tp and manu out
they both need to grow a pair and be a man

[ChumpDumper]

Preferably two men.

Whatever.

[Que Gee]

What people need to realize is that its NOT about who he is playing AGAINST, its who he is playing WITH. The team out on the floor tonight suits his style of play. Beno passes and moves the ball well. Devin runs the floor, Tim down low.

[ChumpDumper]

What people need to realize is that its NOT about who he is playing AGAINSTMelo and Bostjan disagree.

[Dre_7]

Now hopefully this is the spark that gets Barry going.
Hopefully Manu and Tony can get totally healthy. Jeepers!

[kskonn]

What people need to realize is that its NOT about who he is playing AGAINST, its who he is playing WITH. The team out on the floor tonight suits his style of play. Beno passes and moves the ball well. Devin runs the floor, Tim down low.

yea he does do well with a small line up. That suits his passing skills and the motion offense helps him get his game going a little quicker. Just standing around passing the ball to the post is not utilizing his strengths.

[American Grace]

Melo and Bostjan disagree.

Stoudamire and Marion don't.

[exstatic]

Why on earth should we expect him to hit 40% from downtown? It's only his fucking lifetime percentage? How unfair...

He did a good job of distributing tonight, but didn't hit any threes until it was a blowout, starting 0-3. So far, I've still only seen a part time backup PG that can't shoot clutch 3 pointers with the exception of one game.

He shot 50% FG and 45% 3G last year, and is shooting 42% FG and 35% 3G, and we're not allowed to be pissed? Fuck that. Not only is he not matching that, he's well below his career marks of 45% FG and 40% 3G. I think LJ has it right. Some people can't do it on a good team.

[Que Gee]

Melo and Bostjan disagree.

Thats fine. Thats what this is all about. And I'll give all the Barry bashers a little leeway...your right the Hornets SUCK. But it doesn't hide the fact that with certain players on the floor, particularly when he's NOT playing with Parker, he plays 100% better. Thats not a knock on Parker, he's a great player, he just doesn't fit in an utilize BB in the way necessary for him to be successful on a regular basis.

[ChumpDumper]

Stoudamire and Marion don't.LMAO. Yeah, he went one on one with those guys all night.

And two of his three 3pt makes were spot up.

Apologize for making excuses for him.

We got him for spotting up and all the other shit you guys talk about. He can do it all and once he actually does it, he'll be meeting expectations.

It's so strange that Barry's biggest backers are the ones who underestimate him the most.

[Rick Von Braun]

Preferably two men.

Whatever.
:lol

[kskonn]

Why on earth should we expect him to hit 40% from downtown? It's only his fucking lifetime percentage? How unfair...

He did a good job of distributing tonight, but didn't hit any threes until it was a blowout, starting 0-3. So far, I've still only seen a part time backup PG that can't shoot clutch 3 pointers with the exception of one game.

He shot 50% FG and 45% 3G last year, and is shooting 42% FG and 35% 3G, and we're not allowed to be pissed? Fuck that. Not only is he not matching that, he's well below his career marks of 45% FG and 40% 3G. I think LJ has it right. Some people can't do it on a good team.

Yea, I think we have the right to be pissed. Barry knows he has not been playing up to expectations. he has said lately that he hopes that the fans and coaches can stick with him so that he will turn it around. I think he knows the urgency of the situation. We will see if that translates to good play on the court. I hope so, barry playing like he is capable would be a huge assett for the spurs come playoff time.

[American Grace]

LMAO. Yeah, he went one on one with those guys all night.

And two of his three 3pt makes were spot up.

Apologize for making excuses for him.

I'm not making excuses for him. We would not have won that Phoenix game without those shots. Why are you trying to pretend they didn't happen?

[Que Gee]

Why on earth should we expect him to hit 40% from downtown? It's only his fucking lifetime percentage? How unfair...

He did a good job of distributing tonight, but didn't hit any threes until it was a blowout, starting 0-3. So far, I've still only seen a part time backup PG that can't shoot clutch 3 pointers with the exception of one game.

He shot 50% FG and 45% 3G last year, and is shooting 42% FG and 35% 3G, and we're not allowed to be pissed? Fuck that. Not only is he not matching that, he's well below his career marks of 45% FG and 40% 3G. I think LJ has it right. Some people can't do it on a good team.

Your right, and the reason he started 0-3 is because the game was SO tight...He couldn't handle the early game jitters. No one is saying they are "satisfied" with the way he's been shooting. Your right, he's below his career numbers. But when he STARTS and when there are certain people on the floor, he plays like the BB we all expected. So be pissed and keep bitching about stats, stats, stats...You know, its all about fantasy leagues anyways, not real life.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not making excuses for him.Of course you are.

"This isn't Barry's game."

"Barry is not a spot up shooter."

"Barry doesn't do that."

"Barry won't fit this set."

"Barry can't play with these guys on the floor."

"Why are you asking Barry to do that?"

Fuck that.

[Que Gee]

LMAO. Yeah, he went one on one with those guys all night.

And two of his three 3pt makes were spot up.

Apologize for making excuses for him.

We got him for spotting up and all the other shit you guys talk about. He can do it all and once he actually does it, he'll be meeting expectations.

It's so strange that Barry's biggest backers are the ones who underestimate him the most.

The biggest Barry backers are the ones that can see the way he is being used, isn't what suits HIS game best. I'm not saying CHANGE the offense for him. But if Pop REALLY wants to get the most out of him, he better rethink how he uses him, and who he uses him with...

[kskonn]

I think barry should try to replicate his slam dunk winning free throw dunk in a game.

[ChumpDumper]

isn't what suits HIS game best.There you go again.
I'm not saying CHANGE the offense for him.Bullshit. I have never seen more calls to change the entire offense (and defense) of a championship level team for the sake of a career 10ppg player in my life.

[exstatic]

But when he STARTS and when there are certain people on the floor, he plays like the BB we all expected.

1) That's not how the Spurs operate. You don't get to pick who you play with, so that's just a weak excuse.

2) Tony Parker will be the starting PG on this team for the next 6 years after this one. Barry had better learn how to deal with it, and him.

3) I don't live and die by game to game stats, but stats for a season can be useful. They show that he is shooting for shit, not just from 3, but overall, too.

That is all.

[whottt]

American Grace, awsome take! I could not have said it better myself. I agree 100%. Don't waste your time arguing with Chump though...he/she/it has a fucked up view on things...Chump is like...well you know how small children make a mental leap when they start to realize that an object exists even after they can no longer see it?

Chump is a child that never made that mental leap. If the game happened yesterday it never happened in Chump's world. If a player has a bad game, in Chumpworld that player has sucked his entire career...if a player has a good game, he's been a HOF'er his entire career. Chump's skull is so fucking thick the US government is trying to reproduce it as a way of containing nuclear fallout.

But anyway, good take, anytime Chump gets uppity just poine out to him/her/it that he prefered Hedo over Manu, just because Hedo had a good month.

He/she/it's a stat frontrunner. I think thats the best description. It's also why Chump gets his ass kicked in 90% of the arguments he involves himself with and is in a perpetual state of backtrack.

[IceColdBrewski]

American Grace, awsome take! I could not have said it better myself. I agree 100%. Don't waste your time arguing with Chump though...he/she/it has a fucked up view on things...Chump is like...well you know how small children make a mental leap when they start to realize that an object exists even after they can no longer see it?

Chump is a child that never made that mental leap. If the game happened yesterday it never happened in Chump's world. If a player has a bad game, in Chumpworld that player has sucked his entire career...if a player has a good game, he's been a HOF'er his entire career. Chump's skull is so fucking thick the US government is trying to reproduce it as a way of containing nuclear fallout.

But anyway, good take, anytime Chump gets uppity just poine out to him/her/it that he prefered Hedo over Manu, just because Hedo had a good month.

He/she/it's a stat frontrunner. I think thats the best description. It's also why Chump gets his ass kicked in 90% of the arguments he involves himself with and is in a perpetual state of backtrack.

Damn. That's pretty harsh.

[Que Gee]

Your right you don't get to pick who you play with. I don't think anyone expects the Spurs to chagne the entire offense for him. But hell, if your going to play with Brown, Horry, Massenberg, Beno et al, why the hell WOULDN"T you change he offense when he is in the game. I don't see a better alternative. If the Spurs really wanted a guy to stand around the 3pt line and wait for the ball all night. They should have signed Tim Legler out of retirement. We can argue about this till the sun comes up, but you can't tell me you don't see how different he plays without Tpark etc in the line up. 3pt fucking percentage or not.

[whottt]

What can I say? I missed Chump :)

I don't know if a guy who thinks Parker sucks should be allowed to judge harshness though :)

[ChumpDumper]

Barry had a good game. Really didn't matter who else was out there. Really didn't matter where he was taking his threes. I can't believe you guys continue to try to pigeonhole his game.

[Que Gee]

[QUOTE=exstatic]1)
2) Tony Parker will be the starting PG on this team for the next 6 years after this one. Barry had better learn how to deal with it, and him.


That is all.[/QUOTE/

Really? Do you REALLY think Pop is sitting their telling Barry he better learn how to deal with TParker? Or tha Pop is trying to figure out a way TPark can better utilize Barry and hit him on a few drive and dishes? Running some breaks with him, and maybe even running ahead of him on some breaks and receiving some passes from Barry on the break. I think the latter, and if you don't. then you don't know hoops.

[Go-spurs-Go]

First of all, can "exstatic" stop using your "F" word?? It is really disturbing. Sometimes, there could be children (who are also Spurs fans) who read this thread. You have the rights to piss off, you have the rights to show your emotions, but please avoid using those "F" word?

And secondly, I would have to say: "Barry played great tonight! GOOD JOB!"

[exstatic]

Fuck no.

[T Park]

fuck that go spurs go.


Great comments by Chump and Ex.


Theres no bigger Barry fans than ALL of us Spurs fans.


But to want to change the offense for this guy, or stop everything just so we can hold this fucker's hand, coming from the people who critisized pop for doing the same thing last year, is hilarious.


Fuck Barry if he cant change.

Youve got open goddamn shots.

MAKE THEM.

Tonight?? Horrah, but amazing how he couldn't hit them when the Spurs only had an 8 10 point lead. it had to be 30 somethin.


The guy I dont think can deal with pressure for shit.

[timvp]

Barry had a good game. I think this reminded him of his Clipper and Sonic contests.

P.S.

I think Whotttt found an ally for life.

[T Park]

I think this reminded him of his Clipper and Sonic contests.


Funny, it didn't seem alot different than many other Spurs games this year.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm just hoping that this game broke Barry out of his slump. He had only hit five of his last 27 three-point attempts going into this game. Then he missed his first three 3's tonight (and I was cringing) before hitting his final three 3's.

In the postseason, the Spurs are going to need Brent, Devin and Beno all contributing consistently. If big minutes and shots in a blow out game are what Brent needed, then he got it ... and more power to him.

Against the Nuggets he had tied season highs in assists and boards, and he had another great night tonight passing and rebounding again tonight.

Props to Brent.

Hopefully we will see a lot more of it.


"That's really important for (Udrih and Barry) because that's the depth we talked about at the beginning of the year, and I haven't really seen that for about a month," Popovich said. "For those guys to join in tonight the way Devin's playing lately, hopefully we'll get a little bit of that depth back."

[T Park]

I guess Pop changed the offense tonight huh???

[whottt]

I'll say that Barry's game tonight was no different than most of his games.

He was 1-4 from 3 point range in the first half...that's about what he has hit during his slump.

But his passing was outstanding...as it has been all season.

Barry is the best passer on the team. He's the most surehanded ballhandler on the team. And he helps this team even if his shot isn't falling.

IF he is allowed to partake in the offense.

He's not a ballhogging shot chucker...he's like offensive grease and he doesn't take bad shots.

I think we've all figured out there Barry isn't going to be the next Steve Kerr. So just give up on expecting Barry to live up to Kerr's standard.

Fuck, that's impossible to do anyway, Kerr has got the highest career 3 mark in NBA history. Who is another Steve Kerr?


But Barry can do a hell of a lot more things than Kerr could...What you guys haven't seen all season, what I have been saying all season, Barry has things to offer on offense even if his shot isn't falling....

If you guys don't want to use those things...then go ahead and be fucking stupid.

But please stop saying we don't need to change our offense to utilize the offensive skills of our players...

Don't act like our offense is championship caliber and doesn't need tweaking...our offense is the reason we don't have more titles with Tim Duncan, it's the one weakness our team always has, it's always been the achilles heel...Vanilla offense sucks ass...and it needs to be fucking tweaked to suit our players, because I get sick of choke jobs.

If Barry needs a couple of easy shots to get his 3 shot going, then give them to him...Are we trying to win a title or show Barry who the boss is?

[whottt]

Barry had a good game. I think this reminded him of his Clipper and Sonic contests.

P.S.

I think Whotttt found an ally for life.


It's good to see the board's basketball IQ didn't take a hit while I was on vacation :)

[Go-spurs-Go]

I am just disappointed to see the Spurs have such CLASSLESS fans like T Park and exstatic. Totally offensive and annoying!!!!! I mean discussing basketball is fine. But why don't you 2 always have to put in the "F" word.

[whottt]

Because this is the only fucking board that allowed us to say FUCK.

If you want a neutered board there is no shortage of them...like every other Spurs board that does censor it's posters.

And I resent being labeled childish because I don't stigmatize words.

Do you really that it's that much different if someone says fudge? I mean do you not know what they really mean? So what's the difference?

Real adults don't bury their heads in the sand.

I'd be willing to bet that most children above the third grade know more profanity than most adults. I bet most of them seek it out like a junkee seeks out heroin.

I had learned every profane word that I now know by the time I was in fifth grade...from cussword exchanges with my friends and reading the bathroom walls in my school.

Lighten the fuck up.

[American Grace]

Barry had a good game. I think this reminded him of his Clipper and Sonic contests.

P.S.

I think Whotttt found an ally for life.

I'm not going to ally myself with someone who has a mouth like that.

[Go-spurs-Go]

It is not about stigmatizing words. It is not about the age. It is about respect! Swearing can be seen as verbal abuse to some ppl. If I say "FXXk you" to you on the street, how would you feel? The fact that most children know many more profanity than adults DOES NOT give them legitmiate reason to do so. Everyone knows how to kill people, does that mean we can go ahead and do it? That's just NON-sense! You are just giving yourself STUPID excuses to do STUPID acts.

These words exist, and hiding them from children would be a mistake. Just teach them that they are very disrespectful. Just ask yourself if you would like to be treated that way. This is one of the tiny little roads to respect in the process which is called "education".

It is just causing the downgrading of our language into a series of crude adjectives. Even so, it is true that some people are uneducated or lazy about finding proper words to express themselves.

[Slo spurs fan]

Go-spurs-go don´t argue with hem, they don´t deserve that. They are just some poor and non-educated people.
So just...









































FUCK THEM!!
:lol :lol :lol

[Rummpd]

I would simply like to see Barry be the anti-Turk, turn it up near the end of the season, then all the worries will be forgotten.

He seems completely capable of getting it going and if he does and Nazr also continues to impress Spurs are unbeatable.

[smeagol]

Barry will be big come playoff time.

whottt, welcome back.

[ChumpDumper]

Fucking hilarious.

[T Park]

If Barry needs a couple of easy shots to get his 3 shot going, then give them to him

Uh dumbfuck, hes been getting easy shots all year long.

Duncan and others have been giving him open threes and hes been bricking them like a scared little fucking girl.


BTW GospursGo,

dont like it?? get the FUCK out.

I was here way the FUCK before you, and I aint going FUCKING ANYWHERE.

[Que Gee]

I guess Pop changed the offense tonight huh???

Actually this is the smartest thing you've said in this whole string. The offense was different tonight. There were twice as many passes in this game than normal. The ball movement was great. NOT just by Barry but by everyone! Everyone else saw it. You just don't get it dude.

[ChumpDumper]

Guys were moving without the ball. This can and should be done in any set. It sounds like you guys want Barry to play the point no matter who else is out there. I don't have an objection to that except when Parker is there.

[wildbill2u]

Actually this is the smartest thing you've said in this whole string. The offense was different tonight. There were twice as many passes in this game than normal. The ball movement was great. NOT just by Barry but by everyone! Everyone else saw it. You just don't get it dude.

It should be obvious by now that Beno and Barry play a different type of game than Tony and Manu. More passing and ball movement and less one-on-one driving to the basket. Each tandem brings separate talents to the Spurs as a unit.

Maybe the two backcourts should be playing as units in the rotations every time rather than as individual substitutions for Tony or Manu except in injury or foul trouble or other exceptions.

[exstatic]

If I say "FXXk you" to you on the street, how would you feel?
Except that you are implying that I said this to you, and you know that I fucking didn't. If I use an F-bomb in here, it is rarely direct at someone. It will be something like the following:

No fucking way
That's fucked up
Fuck no

If you can't handle profanity that's not directed at you, then you are the one with the problem, and need to work it out, or leave.

This isn't fucking Romper Room.

[Phenomanul]

Except that you are implying that I said this to you, and you know that I fucking didn't. If I use an F-bomb in here, it is rarely direct at someone. It will be something like the following:

No fucking way
That's fucked up
Fuck no

If you can't handle profanity that's not directed at you, then you are the one with the problem, and need to work it out, or leave.

This isn't fucking Romper Room.



Is it that big of a problem to curtail your profanity...

I mean I'm a big supporter of "freedom of speech", but that wouldn't equate to me running around the halls at work and throwing an F-bomb at everyone I ran into.... You know what would happen??? I would definitely get fired... Would it be fair... could I claim my freedom of speech....

(No... and I could claim all I wanted, but to no avail.)

Seriously though, you guys/gals need to lighten up as far as getting defensive is concerned... You almost take every comment you don't agree with as a personal attack... and then lash out in a personal matter.

All GoSpursGo was trying to say... and he/she never implied that it was a personal insult to him/her.... was that there could be children on the forum lurking around trying to gain insight on their favorite team... It's rather classless, rude and vulgar to treat this place like you were at a bar or a club (which by the way are places that deny access to minors).

Go on ahead and cuss all you want in club forum... that's the more appropriate place to vent.

[Phenomanul]

By the way exstatic I wasn't addressing the above post solely at you... I was addressing it to the group of people who jumped on the "lets condescendingly look down on the goody-two-shoes" bandwagon...

All I heard in those posts were....

Justification this... blah blah blah ....... Justification that.... and I can cuss whenever I f'n want to.... and you're not my mother to tell me otherwise........

Again, I'm no one to tell you what to do or say... but is it that much to ask that you all would be a little more courteous???? EVEN on this forum which allows it....

GoSpursGo made a very valid point had you all bothered to read....

Just because something is allowed doesn't give you the right to abuse it (I mean it's only cussing right????).

[T Park]

Just because something is allowed doesn't give you the right to abuse it

nobody abuses it, they use it correctly.


THat also doesn't give someone the right to preach.

Screw this person, for being goddamn high and mighty.

[T Park]

was that there could be children on the forum

If they are, then they prob don't see words any worse than what there parents say.


Once again, stop policing the damn forum.

[Phenomanul]

If they are, then they prob don't see words any worse than what there parents say.


Once again, stop policing the damn forum.


Who's policing who????

[Phenomanul]

nobody abuses it, they use it correctly.


THat also doesn't give someone the right to preach.

Screw this person, for being goddamn high and mighty.

Always the complaint of a person who might feel inferior..... it's called a complex... and it runs rampant in our society...

Someone tries to genuinely construct a more positive forum... and CLASH...

Bara Boom....... The "STOP trying to tell me how to live my life" argument rises from their souls...

Why oh why must we be so finicky.... and complacent....

[Phenomanul]

BTW I'm not perfect by any account...

Nor do I claim a self-righteous position to critizice or judge others.

Do I get mad and angry... yes.

Let me tell you somthing though.... it takes more guts to man up and practice restraint than it would to unleash my temper.... which is what would happen if I couldn't hold back...

Profanity has become so engrained in our culture, that many a times the intent to offend is not there anymore... in fact many people use profanity in an endearing fashion.

The problem with that concept is that it creates a social rift with those who have chosen not to express themselves in that manner. Does it mean that they look down on you??? If they do, then they are being hypocrites...

It is another matter to point out the issue... Notice, I never told you to change your language.... all I said was to take it to the more appropriate forum...

Again, I'm not going to try and change a person's behavior... what good would a post do against years of being molded by that person's surroundings and experiences. Absolutely nothing????

[T Park]

why oh why must someone critisize the best forum in the nation, and force there beliefs on them.


Who's policing who????

Uh, your the one saying you shouldn't say this cause there are children around.


So uh, yeah your policing the damn forum.

[Phenomanul]

why oh why must someone critisize the best forum in the nation, and force there beliefs on them.



Uh, your the one saying you shouldn't say this cause there are children around.


So uh, yeah your policing the damn forum.


It seems like you are also policing me.... no...

touché

[benjirh]

Theres no bigger Barry fans than ALL of us Spurs fans.

But to want to change the offense for this guy, or stop everything just so we can hold this fucker's hand, coming from the people who critisized pop for doing the same thing last year, is hilarious.

Fuck Barry if he cant change.

Youve got open goddamn shots.

MAKE THEM.

Tonight?? Horrah, but amazing how he couldn't hit them when the Spurs only had an 8 10 point lead. it had to be 30 somethin.

The guy I dont think can deal with pressure for shit.

Wow! For being someones BIGGEST fan, you sure do rip them a new a-hole. Here let me try. Duncan is crap. Duncan sucks. He has missed so many important free throws. Screw him. Its time for Scola to take over. Screw Duncan.

Scola>>>Massenburg>>>Horry>>>Duncan

Sweet now I am Duncan's biggest fan.

[Phenomanul]

In fact you all went as far as taking an aggressive approach against GoSpursGo...

He/She commented on the language...

You all told him/her to leave the forum altogether...

Sounds like gestapo tactics to me....

[xcoriate]

Well I couldn't care less, swear if you want, or don't if you want.

If the occasion calls for it, I'm all for it.


Stop being so precious....

[Que Gee]

Guys were moving without the ball. This can and should be done in any set. It sounds like you guys want Barry to play the point no matter who else is out there. I don't have an objection to that except when Parker is there.

I agree, but I think anyone would agree this DOESN'T happen as much when T.P. is running the offense. And for good reason, Tony can get his shots off and create his own offense which is fine. But, if Tony's not in there, I think BB should run point. Or BB at the wing and Beno at the point is a great combination with Dev running the 3...

[mookie2001]

Nazr- "go...your way, i'll go mine, we've got to carry on"
TMass- "and we'll get paid...DIVIDENTS!!!!!"