Nazr vs Malik

[picnroll]

Expectations of Nazr vs Rose

1. Nazr will be a more effective post defender. He’ll block and alter more shots. He won’t be susceptible to being shot over a major problem with Malik.

2. Nazr will be a better rebounder, particularly offensive rebounder. A fair amount of Malik’s offensive rebounding was negated by immediately getting stuffed or turning the ball over. Nazr is more of an immediate tap in type scorer off rebounds or he kicks the ball out.

3. Nazr will be as or a more effective scorer than Malik. He gets his points without imposing himself on the offense and occupying the ball. If there were a stat for points per minute hoilding the ball Nazr would beat Rose hands down.

4. Nazr should be about as foul prone as Malik. He’s averaged 5.7 per 48 minutes while Malik has averaged 7.1 this year.

5. Nazr won’t shoot as well from mid-range or the outside as Malik but he won’t try. Almost all Nazr’s shots looking at shot charts from Knick games have been from 15 feet and in, most nine feet and in. He hasn’t attempted a three point shot this year.

[boutons]

Quit taunting the traumatized Malik fans. :)

[davi78239]

Speaking of Malik, what were his numbers last night? Heard Miami won at the buzzer.

[bigzak25]

ok. i'm convinced. lets make the trade.

[boutons]

Even Massenburg looks great compared to Fortson last night:
6 minutes, 6 fouls.
:lol

In his case, Forston isn't a klutz, he's just a thug.

[ChumpDumper]

I expect Nazr to not be challenged routinely for his position in the rotation. If he is, we're sunk.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

I expect Nazr to not be challenged routinely for his position in the rotation. If he is, we're sunk.

What do you mean?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He means that he expects Nazr to have a solid spot in the big man rotation, unlike what Rose had.

And that we're in trouble if it ever gets to the point where TMass and Horry are challenging his spot in the rotation (like they took away Malik's PT).

[ChumpDumper]

What I mean is, I expect Nazr to play well enough to solidify the frontcourt rotation so we don't overplay guys like Horry and Massenburg out of necessity.

[ducks]

rose was beaten out by horry and willis

if he is getting beat out by people that spurs sign we are in trouble

unless spurs sign a star fa

[picnroll]

First time the Duckster has ever clarified two other posters. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

lol, I'm choosing my words carefully, but the flame war will begin anyway.

[picnroll]

Wonder, now that the Spurs are roling into the playoffs and Nazr is nearly as settled in as he'll get this year, if there's been any change in perception of who would be more useful to have, Malik or Nazr.

Trade haters?
Trade lovers?

[Kori Ellis]

I think Horry will still get the majority of the bigman minutes off the bench in the postseason. But Nazr has played well enough lately to earn some minutes and have a place in the rotation. Hopefully once Duncan and Rasho are both back and in full swing, Nazr will be able to still figure out how to contribute (and somehow increase that FG%).

[T Park]

and somehow increase that FG%


It will get better next year.


That groin still bothers him to where his shots are off. You can tell.


Hell, he STILL has to use a heating pad between his legs during timeouts to keep the damn thing loose.

Its a shame hes not totally healthy.

[whottt]

Horry beats a lot of guys out for minutes...regardless of what his stats are....and Willis and Massenburg never beat Malik out.

As long as Nazr keeps having the type of impact he has been having in the past few games, on a fairly consistent basis, I will be satisfied that the trade didn't hurt our title chances as badly as I originally thought...

Glenn Robinson helps offset the trade too.

I am not gonna really argue about which one would have helped us more because it's a lost cause and there is a concentrated effort on the part of Malik haters to totally ignore what he has done for us in post seasons of the past...specifically in our last title run. And yes I know he didn't have that type of post season last year, but that's because Pop wouldn't let him off the bench. He didn't fail us in the post season, he wasn't given the opportunity.

[Kori Ellis]

1. Nazr will be a more effective post defender. He’ll block and alter more shots. He won’t be susceptible to being shot over a major problem with Malik.

2. Nazr will be a better rebounder, particularly offensive rebounder. A fair amount of Malik’s offensive rebounding was negated by immediately getting stuffed or turning the ball over. Nazr is more of an immediate tap in type scorer off rebounds or he kicks the ball out.

I disagree with parts of both of these. Nazr still sucks as a defender for the most part. He's getting better and blocking some shots, but he doesn't get in the right position defensively. He is improving though and hopefully that continues.

Secondly, Nazr is an awesome offensive rebounder; he gets great position. But I'd venture to bet that if you tallied up the times that Nazr gets blocked, I think he's on a Malik-esque pace.

All in all, I think the trade was good because Nazr is going to get his fair shake of playing time. I didn't want the Spurs to keep paying for a player that they weren't going to use. So I think the trade was good. But the jury is still out on Nazr's ability to contribute with both Duncan and Rasho healthy.

[picnroll]

I think Nazr's defensive game is coming around some. He seems a little less confused to me. He had a couple of nice help D plays against Utah. I think it began with Pop making clear to him his role was D and rebounding, taking some sel-imposed pressure off Nazr that he had to make a big impact on offense.

I hope Pop has Duncan and Nazr on the floor together these last few games a fair amount to get used to each other and see what they can do together. Nazr's rebounding could wreak havoc.

[timvp]

The good news about Nazr is he's not being posted up anymore and he's not fouling as much anymore. If he can rebound and play D, I'd be happy.

[T Park]

If he can rebound and play D, I'd be happy.

Hell do that this year.

Next year will be, God and health willing, the year he breaks out IMO, contract year, plus more familiarity.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Malik was a better defender, Nazr's defense has a ways to go. In the end if Nazr can adjust, his size will change more shots.

Nazr v. Malik on offense is a wash to me at this point. They both do things I wish they wouldn't do, and they both play with energy and heart. Malik was a better free throw shooter.

I look forward to seeing an updated +/- chart when Nazr has played more.

Overall though, Kori is right. At least we're not overpaying a guy who Pop won't play. Team chemisty appears to be righting itself as well.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Malik hasn't been a good defender since 2003, when taller players realized they could just shoot over him.

]quote]and Willis and Massenburg never beat Malik out. [/quote]

I beg to differ, they already did that this year, which is part of the reason Rose got sent packing.


I'm with picnroll on this though, I want to see Nazr get some quality PT alongside Duncan. Duncan will help him pick things up even faster on defense, and on offense I think Nazr will go apeshit crashing the offensive glass on the weakside away from Tim.

[BronxCowboy]

Haven't you guys hashed over this bullshit enough? Too bad Malik's gone, hopefully Nazr works out. Stop the hate. Period.

[picnroll]

What hate? Are you incapable of discussing the merits of what one player might bring versus another without making it a hate issue?

[BronxCowboy]

It's a hate issue because
1. It's irrelevant to the team at this point.
2. The same tired myths are still being put forward like "Malik couldn't defend because of his height" and "Malik got beaten out by Willis/Massenburg." Granted, you weren't the one saying these things, but I wasn't addressing you alone.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Malik hasn't been a good defender since 2003, when taller players realized they could just shoot over him.



I'm with picnroll on this though, I want to see Nazr get some quality PT alongside Duncan. Duncan will help him pick things up even faster on defense, and on offense I think Nazr will go apeshit crashing the offensive glass on the weakside away from Tim.

AHF,

I guess I didn't come across clearly. I didn't say nor do I think that Malik was a good defender. I said he was better than Nazr is right now. He was too small, but he didn't get caught out of position like Nazr is. That's understandable since Nazr just got here. Nazr's improving however, and I agree that more PT with Tim will be really helpful. I was a little puzzled when Pop started Horry next to Tim against Utah. Any insight into why he started his two power forwards?

[T Park]

The same tired myths are stilled being put forward like Malik got beaten out by Willis/Massenburg."

He was for a while this year beaten out by Massenburg.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

It's a hate issue because
1. It's irrelevant to the team at this point.
2. The same tired myths are stilled being put forward like "Malik couldn't defend because of his height" and "Malik got beaten out by Willis/Massenburg." Granted, you weren't the one saying these things, but I wasn't addressing you alone.

BC,

I don't think its a hate thing. I just see some fans wondering how the trade is working out. Pincnroll bumped the thread because he wanted to know if people were thinking differenly now that Nazr wasn't stinking it up (just two weeks ago, some including me were thinking that it was possible he wouldn't make the playoff roster).

And by the way, and I mean no disrespect by saying this, but it seems to me that everything we say is irrelevant to the team. Do you really think Pop, RC or any of the players care what a bunch of bloggers think? We're just fans talking about our team, right?

[picnroll]

Nazr said in an interview that this is the first time he's played in a defensive system, practiced defensive schemes. Pretty amazing but given comments that the Knicks made about how much Malik was adding to them defense understanding and intensty-wise it's not unbelieveable. Malik afterall was fourth in terms of consistent positional defense of the Spurs primary bigs with Rasho one, Duncan two and Horry three.

Nazr has the raw tools to be a very good defender and if he has the smarts with Pop his growth in this area could be exponential.

[BronxCowboy]

And by the way, and I mean no disrespect by saying this, but it seems to me that everything we say is irrelevant to the team. Do you really think Pop, RC or any of the players care what a bunch of bloggers think? We're just fans talking about our team, right?

Point taken. It just irks me that Malik is gone, yet the negativity/misinformation about him isn't.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What misinformation? You mean this...


The same tired myths are still being put forward like "Malik couldn't defend because of his height" and "Malik got beaten out by Willis/Massenburg."

The only constant in Malik's defense over the past two seasons was more of the long/tall people in the league just shooting over him easily, or snatching a rebound from over his head.

Earlier this year Massenberg and Horry were being trotted out on the court as the backups before Malik.

You're right, Malik was obviously playing better, and Pop just felt like having his head up his ass and playing the worst big men he had on the bench first.

[T Park]

You're right, Malik was obviously playing better, and Pop just felt like having his head up his ass and playing the worst big men he had on the bench first.



switch Malik with Barry, and big men with Devin Brown, or Beno Udrih,

and pretty much got YOUR arguements for the first part of the season.

[BronxCowboy]

Malik was beaten out by Horry, yes, but not Massenburg. Except for a 3 or 4 game stretch Malik was being used more than Massenburg. Who cares who got in the game first? Substitutions are based on matchups. Even during said stretch in which Massenburg was getting more minutes, Malik wasn't on the bench because Tony had been playing better. Malik was on the bench because he got on Pop's bad side. Massenburg had a total of what, 1 good game this year? But hey, if you guys want to call that "beating Malik out" then go ahead.

[BronxCowboy]

[QUOTE=Aggie Hoopsfan]The only constant in Malik's defense over the past two seasons was more of the long/tall people in the league just shooting over him easily, or snatching a rebound from over his head.[QUOTE]

Oops, I guess I was wrong. This wasn't a "hate on Malik" thread after all. My bad. :rolleyes

[bigbendbruisebrother]

I'm going to ask this again since it was on the tail end of my post on the previous page. I think the idea that Nazr needs more PT next to Tim is valid. Why did Pop start Horry with Duncan in the Utah game?

[picnroll]

Why did Pop start Horry with Duncan in the Utah game?
My guess Pop values Horry's outside shooting to free up TD in the post, one thing Nazr can't bring and one limitation of playing Nazr and TD together.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Great question bigbend, who knows. I have the same one.



Malik was on the bench because he got on Pop's bad side.

And how did he get on the bad side? It wasn't because he bought him some bad wine. It's because he was not hustling on the court, wasn't working within the flow of the offense, etc.

In short, play bad basketball, and you don't play. The same people who bagged on Barry earlier this year give Malik all the excuses in the world because he did something good two years ago.

[ChumpDumper]

Why did Pop start Horry with Duncan in the Utah game?I think Pop is trying to simulate, as much as he can, the regular substitution pattern for new guys like Nazr and GRob.

[ducks]

nazr has been tearing it up late in the season

[CaptainLate]

Malik was a better defender, Nazr's defense has a ways to go. In the end if Nazr can adjust, his size will change more shots.

Nazr v. Malik on offense is a wash to me at this point. They both do things I wish they wouldn't do, and they both play with energy and heart. Malik was a better free throw shooter.

I look forward to seeing an updated +/- chart when Nazr has played more.

Overall though, Kori is right. At least we're not overpaying a guy who Pop won't play. Team chemisty appears to be righting itself as well.

And, too, RHorry becomes a regular. He doesn't have to wonder "Is Pop going with Malik tonight and me next game?"

[CaptainLate]

BC,

I don't think its a hate thing. I just see some fans wondering how the trade is working out. Pincnroll bumped the thread because he wanted to know if people were thinking differenly now that Nazr wasn't stinking it up (just two weeks ago, some including me were thinking that it was possible he wouldn't make the playoff roster).

And by the way, and I mean no disrespect by saying this, but it seems to me that everything we say is irrelevant to the team. Do you really think Pop, RC or any of the players care what a bunch of bloggers think? We're just fans talking about our team, right?

It's all opinions...and you know what they say about opinions being like AH -- everyone has one.

"It's all good!"

[TDMVPDPOY]

ive just seen a few games of him, Nazr looks very slim built and good speed, can he actually play the 3 spot?? he could be bowens successor that we been lookin for.

[Dre_7]

No. Not athletic enough to play the 3. Hes a center!

[Spurgal]

Can you guess Malik Is thinking In this picture? I know I can...

http://www.nba.com/media/knicks/pg_malik_050321.jpg

[Louae]

Horry beats a lot of guys out for minutes...regardless of what his stats are....and Willis and Massenburg never beat Malik out.

As long as Nazr keeps having the type of impact he has been having in the past few games, on a fairly consistent basis, I will be satisfied that the trade didn't hurt our title chances as badly as I originally thought...

Glenn Robinson helps offset the trade too.

I am not gonna really argue about which one would have helped us more because it's a lost cause and there is a concentrated effort on the part of Malik haters to totally ignore what he has done for us in post seasons of the past...specifically in our last title run. And yes I know he didn't have that type of post season last year, but that's because Pop wouldn't let him off the bench. He didn't fail us in the post season, he wasn't given the opportunity.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Louae]

I disagree with parts of both of these. Nazr still sucks as a defender for the most part. He's getting better and blocking some shots, but he doesn't get in the right position defensively. He is improving though and hopefully that continues.

Secondly, Nazr is an awesome offensive rebounder; he gets great position. But I'd venture to bet that if you tallied up the times that Nazr gets blocked, I think he's on a Malik-esque pace.

All in all, I think the trade was good because Nazr is going to get his fair shake of playing time. I didn't want the Spurs to keep paying for a player that they weren't going to use. So I think the trade was good. But the jury is still out on Nazr's ability to contribute with both Duncan and Rasho healthy.

Now here's a valid argument. Can't really disagree with that. Now this is something that many of the Rose haters fail to accomplish with regularity. Nope, it's just much easier to say. Rose sucks, Nazr rocks. Whott is crazy.

[Louae]

Can you guess Malik Is thinking In this picture? I know I can...

http://www.nba.com/media/knicks/pg_malik_050321.jpg

I'm owning your ass in this game. Couldn't disagree with him either. In that game, he was owning him.

[Louae]

You're right, Malik was obviously playing better, and Pop just felt like having his head up his ass and playing the worst big men he had on the bench first.

When POP was trotting out the likes of Massenburg and Marks ahead of Rose. Yes, those thoughts were going through my head.

[exstatic]

2. The same tired myths are still being put forward like "Malik couldn't defend because of his height" and "Malik got beaten out by Willis/Massenburg."

If you have eyes that function, you'd know that neither of those was a "myth". Big guards were starting to post his ass up and shoot over him this year. He was also racking up DNP/CDs, both last year, and this year. If you're not playing, and you're not injured, you got beat out of your spot.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Malik couldn't defend because of his height

That's a myth right up there with Jordan getting 6 rings. :lol

He was getting posted by guards.

[T Park]

yeah too bad louae he pulled the jersey over his head and acted like a dumbfuck

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Where is the Rose Colored Glasses Society now?

[SPARKY]

You act as though a big not named Duncan or Robinson has ever stepped up for the Spurs in a playoff game before.

Get a clue.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You act as though the only big not named Tim or Dave to ever step up in a playoff game was Rose.

I remember the post-mortem on the trade deadline well. You and LJ went on and on about how Malik "did it when it counted, in the playoffs."

So give Nazr his props and STFU.

[SPARKY]

Nazr Mohammed scores 19 points while making teams pay for cheating from the weakside in the playoffs. BFD.

As long as he doesn't have to play outside of 2 feet from the rim he's fine.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As long as he doesn't have to play outside of 2 feet from the rim he's fine.

If you want your center jacking up ill-advised jumpers, go root for the Mavs.

[SPARKY]

I'd like a big playing alongside TD who could occasionally hit one. Unless, of course, you never want to put one of the league's top 2 post players on the low block. I know, I know, let's run the offense through your boy Radobitch.

It's not surprising that you are excited to finally see a Spur big other than TD actually show up in this series.

[Dre_7]

If you want your center jacking up ill-advised jumpers, go root for the Mavs.

:lmao

RACK!!!

[2centsworth]

Nazr Mohammed scores 19 points while making teams pay for cheating from the weakside in the playoffs. BFD.

As long as he doesn't have to play outside of 2 feet from the rim he's fine.
get a clue.http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

[SPARKY]

What is wrong with those statements? If you can't handle the truth, leave.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Seriously, in the Spurs offense in its current manifestation, there is zero room for a jump shooting center.

All the Spurs want, and need, from their center, is someone to play D, rebound, and score without having plays run for them.

Of course, it says a lot that you've got such a hard on for a career 6 points, 4 boards undersized PF that you like the idea of him taking shots away from Tim, Manu, Tony, etc.

Like I said, if that's what floats your boat, head on up I-35 and go hang out with Cuban.

[SPARKY]

Actually, in the Spurs' offense, there is plenty of room for a big who can step out and hit the J when TD is in the post, as well as off of screen rolls with one of the guards. Rose brought that as well as an ability to crash the boards from the weakside and play strong in the paint.

Your reference to the Mavs is irrelevant.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah, Malik averaged, what, one a game. That sure made teams gameplan differently. Good call.

My reference to the Mavs is spot on when you're clinging on to Rose's one jump shot he hit every other game as a reason why he is somehow, in some warped, fucked up universe, anywhere near the post player as Nazr.

[Dre_7]

Actually, in the Spurs' offense, there is plenty of room for a big who can step out and hit the J when TD is in the post, as well as off of screen rolls with one of the guards. Rose brought that as well as an ability to crash the boards from the weakside and play strong in the paint.

Yeah, but Spark, Rose was not that great of a Jump shooter. Yeah he could it some, but I wouldnt trust him shooting. I never liked it when he took jumpers.

[2centsworth]

Actually, in the Spurs' offense, there is plenty of room for a big who can step out and hit the J when TD is in the post, as well as off of screen rolls with one of the guards. Rose brought that as well as an ability to crash the boards from the weakside and play strong in the paint.

Your reference to the Mavs is irrelevant.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smibang.gif lost cause.

[SPARKY]

Rose looks like Steve Kerr compared to Mohammed. Rose also was one of the Spurs' best FT shooters. Something of import for a big.

Add in the fact that the Spurs gave up 2 first rounders and the deal sucked.

[2centsworth]

Rose looks like Steve Kerr compared to Mohammed. Rose also was one of the Spurs' best FT shooters. Something of import for a big.
my last attempt:

1. Rose chocked consistenly from the line in the clutch.

2. Shaq neither shoots jumpshot or FT, but is still the best.

3. Most great Bigs suck from the line.

4. Rose is barely an NBA player.

Last word is yours.

[SPARKY]

Yeah, Malik averaged, what, one a game. That sure made teams gameplan differently. Good call.

My reference to the Mavs is spot on when you're clinging on to Rose's one jump shot he hit every other game as a reason why he is somehow, in some warped, fucked up universe, anywhere near the post player as Nazr.


Nazr has one good game stunting from the weakside, something that Rose brought in just about every fucking playoff game and suddenly that makes him more worthwhile? Ha.

Rose fit in much better on this team than Mohammed. And yes, the fact that Rose can hit Js and FTs does matter more than Mohammed's limited offensive game. If Seattle wasn't so desperate that they had to aggressively use their weakside bigs to cut off the paint then Mohammed would've dropped his usual 4 points or whatever.

[SPARKY]

my last attempt:

1. Rose chocked consistenly from the line in the clutch.

When?




2. Shaq neither shoots jumpshot or FT, but is still the best.


Shaq actually has a post game.




3. Most great Bigs suck from the line.


Mohammed is not a "great big". He's a role player and his skills are limited in regards to what you want from a big playing alongside TD.




4. Rose is barely an NBA player.

Last word is yours.

With a statement like that, I'm not going to waste anymore time on you.

[Extra Stout]

Frankly, I've been pretty happy with all the offensive boards Nazr rakes in every game.

Tonight he stepped up when he was called upon. Other, more Slovenian big men, would have fumbled away the chance.

Rose would have stepped up as well. Nazr acquitted himself well, as he has done multiple times in the postseason.

[SPARKY]

Finally someone pointed out Nazr's non-Slovenian heritage. You got me there.

[Extra Stout]

Rose: better offensive skills, better leader of men

Mohammed: better rebounder, taller

The height and rebounding have come in handy. The leadership right now is spotty. If anyone provides it, it's Manu.

Seems like a wash to me. It could get better if the Spurs can get a small forward for Rasho, who clearly is expendable now.

[SPARKY]

Throw in the consistent energy off the bench, the better shot, the greater flexibility defensively, and the familiarity and Rose has the edge.

Then consider that you took 2 first round picks away from one of the best scouting front offices in the league and that trade looks considerably less appealing. Unless you are Holt Cat et al...

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

How anyone can claim Nazr being on this team is a bad thing and instead, fronting out center spot with a 6'5 pump faking machine who would most likely be were he was last year at this time, behind Horry and Massenburg (Willis) in the rotation.

Nazr brings something Malik lacked.

Rebounding, put back points, and height.

Those put back points and rebounding >>> Jump shooting that takes away shots from Manu and Tim.

I bet Sparky would go ape shit had we traded Malik for Jeff Foster.

Because motha can't shoot from 15 feet out.

Jesus... last time I checked, most, hell, all centers in middle school/high school/college/ and pro were supposed to cover the paint and get the boards.

But I guess Sparky hasn't finished the 5th grade just yet,

[SPARKY]

Nazr brings something Malik lacked.

Rebounding, put back points, and height.


Yeah, Malik never rebounded the rock well, nor scored off the offensive glass.

As for height, that's something even a kindergartener can point to, though the value of that is somewhat overstated in the NBA. In order to make it easy for you to understand I offer Rasho Nesterovic as an example of how useless height truly is in the NBA.




Those put back points and rebounding >>> Jump shooting that takes away shots from Manu and Tim.


Well fuck let's never let another Spur have any shots.



But I guess Sparky hasn't finished the 5th grade just yet,

Oh, I've cleared a few more levels than that. But whatever makes you feel better.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Yeah, Malik never rebounded the rock well, nor scored off the offensive glass.

Lacks = never?

No.

Someone needs to buy a dictionary. ASAP.


As for height, that's something even a kindergartener can point to, though the value of that is somewhat overstated in the NBA. In order to make it easy for you to understand I offer Rasho Nesterovic as an example of how useless height truly is in the NBA.

Rasho's defense > Malik's defense

That's telling on Malik's part.


Well fuck let's never let another Spur have any shots.

No, nothing wrong with it. But it's not effective to have your "center" taking 15 foot jump shots in the half court.

Pistons, Lakers, Bulls didn't win trophies having Wallace, Shaq, and Perdue shooting 15 footers.

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[SPARKY]

For your edification...

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No, nothing wrong with it. But it's not effective to have your "center" taking 15 foot jump shots in the half court.

Pistons, Lakers, Bulls didn't win trophies having Wallace, Shaq, and Perdue shooting 15 footers.

Yeah, the Spurs never had the big opposite TD step outside and take Js. In case you've forgotten the Spurs won a couple titles as well.

Stop wasting my time, trick.

[GoSpurs21]

stop the HATE
you cant teach height...and NARZ has it thank god

Malik would have made zero difference in the series this year...see last years playoffs as an example

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

For your edification...

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary





Yeah, the Spurs never had the big opposite TD step outside and take Js. In case you've forgotten the Spurs won a couple titles as well.

Stop wasting my time, trick.

Deficient, try looking that one up.

And the Spurs did win two NBA titles with a future Hall of Fame center on their roster.

Can't remember his name. Might you?

And last time I checked, in '99 Malik's role was less than minimal.

In 03, he wasn't getting very many minutes.

[SPARKY]

Doesn't matter. The Spurs were using their bigman opposite TD for something other than simply cleaning up the offensive glass and being tall.

[Louae]

stop the HATE
you cant teach height...and NARZ has it thank god

Malik would have made zero difference in the series this year...see last years playoffs as an example

He never had the opportunity to make a difference last year, knuckle head. Tell me what he did the year before when he actually saw the floor genius? My god, I hate stupidity.

And here's the fuckin' crazy thing. I actually like Nazr. If he can give us more on defense, I can live with his inability to shoot the ball. Hell, if he could play defense and clean up the junk, he'll be our new starting center next year. And that my friend would make the trade worth it. As for this year and these playoffs, you're crazy if you think Rose wouldn't have helped us if given the opportunity. The only way you could prevent Rose from contributing was to keep his ass on the bench.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Doesn't matter. The Spurs were using their bigman opposite TD for something other than simply cleaning up the offensive glass and being tall.

When? Not in the championship years.

In 1999 it was David and Perdue.

In 2003 it was David and Willis/Malik.

And now, if you want a big who can shoot. Put in Massenburg. Taller and better shooter compared to Malik.

[SPARKY]

In '99 it was DRob and Malik with Perdue seeing less and less court time as they progressed to the finals.

In '03 it was DRob and Malik with Willis used sparingly.



And now, if you want a big who can shoot. Put in Massenburg.

Egads.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

In '99 it was DRob and Malik with Perdue seeing less and less court time as they progressed to the finals.

In '03 it was DRob and Malik with Willis used sparingly.

Guy, Malik had a very little role on the team in 1999. He was our chubby cheerleader.

Antonio Daniels had a bigger role.

I remember Pop used a lineup of David/Tim/Perdue and it was called a Triple Tower.

In 2003, Malik had a bigger role.

But watch the championship DVD and in all three games sixes sans the Lakers blowout, he was mostly seen on the bench.

[timvp]

Guy, Malik had a very little role on the team in 1999. He was our chubby cheerleader.

Antonio Daniels had a bigger role.

I remember Pop used a lineup of David/Tim/Perdue and it was called a Triple Tower.

In 2003, Malik had a bigger role.

But watch the championship DVD and in all three games sixes sans the Lakers blowout, he was mostly seen on the bench.

How many minutes did Perdue play in the Finals?

Answer that and then talk smack about Malik.

Thanks.

[SPARKY]

Obviously you are in need of watching a fair amount of tape if you believe that or perhaps a stay at a fine rehab facility...

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

I can't tell you how many minutes Perdue played. If you can, share them with us.

[SPARKY]

99 NBA Finals Game 1

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/scoreboards/realtime/1999/06/16/410-box.html

Malik 14 minutes
Perdue...0

Google the rest yourself.

[timvp]

I can't tell you how many minutes Perdue played. If you can, share them with us.

He played as many minutes in the Finals as you did.

[MI21]

In 03, he wasn't getting very many minutes.

Did you watch the 2002-2003 playoffs?

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

2 points and 1 rebound.

Glad we had Malik for that game. Without him, we probably would have lost.

[SPARKY]

He did a bit better as the series progressed while Perdue did not see any court time whatsoever.

[mookie2001]

purdue was bad when he played for SA, he could do it all
id trade nazr for 96 purdue anyday

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

He did a bit better as the series progressed while Perdue did not see any court time whatsoever.

That's a finals game.

He progressed to 2 points and a rebound?

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Did you watch the 2002-2003 playoffs?

Yeah. And although Malik was giving us offense his rebouding sucked.

Surely you'd agree.

Not to mention game 4 of the finals. He was outplayed by Willis from my memory.

The game Manu almost won for us.

[MI21]

Yeah. And although Malik was giving us offense his rebouding sucked.

Surely you'd agree.

Not to mention game 4 of the finals. He was outplayed by Willis from my memory.

The game Manu almost won for us.

You said he didn't play many minutes, now you say he was giving the Spurs offense? Which is it?

Also, no, his rebounding did not suck.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Also, no, his rebounding did not suck.

Yes it did.

He avg. like 4 rebounds a game.

That sucks if he's our "center"

[timvp]

Yes it did.

He avg. like 4 rebounds a game.

That sucks if he's our "center"

Actually, Rose averaged 10 and 6 in the 2003 playoffs.

Nice try.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

I'm talking finals.

Not entire playoffs.

[Louae]

Deficient, try looking that one up.

And the Spurs did win two NBA titles with a future Hall of Fame center on their roster.

Can't remember his name. Might you?

And last time I checked, in '99 Malik's role was less than minimal.

In 03, he wasn't getting very many minutes.

Ummm, 10.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in 24 minutes during the regular season as the first big man off the bench states otherwise. Here are his playoff numbers.

playoffs - round 1
game 1 - 13 points, 6 rebounds
game 2 - 11 points, 5 rebounds
game 3 - 15 points, 7 rebounds
game 4 - 10 points, 14 rebounds
game 5 - 27 points, 13 rebounds
game 6 - 7 points, 7 rebounds

playoffs - round 2
game 1 - 4 points, 5 rebounds
game 2 - 0 points, 2 rebounds
game 3 - 15 points, 3 rebounds
game 4 - 2 points, 4 rebounds
game 5 - 4 points, 7 rebounds
game 6 - 4 points, 5 rebounds

playoffs - round 3
game 1 - 3 points, 1 rebound
game 2 - 25 points, 6 rebounds
game 3 - 2 points, 8 rebounds
game 4 - 8 points, 8 rebounds
game 5 - 14 points, 3 rebounds
game 6 - 12 points, 11 rebounds

playoffs - NBA finals
game 1 - 12 points, 6 rebounds
game 2 - 7 points, 6 rebounds
game 3 - 8 points, 2 rebounds
game 4 - 0 points, 4 rebounds
game 5 - 14 points, 3 rebounds
game 6 - 5 points, 5 rebounds

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Nazr is avg. 7 boards per game in 23 minutes of play so far in the playoffs.

[timvp]

... as a starter.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

Ummm, 10.4 points and 6.4 rebounds in 24 minutes during the regular season as the first big man off the bench states otherwise. Here are his playoff numbers.

playoffs - round 1
game 1 - 13 points, 6 rebounds
game 2 - 11 points, 5 rebounds
game 3 - 15 points, 7 rebounds
game 4 - 10 points, 14 rebounds
game 5 - 27 points, 13 rebounds
game 6 - 7 points, 7 rebounds

playoffs - round 2
game 1 - 4 points, 5 rebounds
game 2 - 0 points, 2 rebounds
game 3 - 15 points, 3 rebounds
game 4 - 2 points, 4 rebounds
game 5 - 4 points, 7 rebounds
game 6 - 4 points, 5 rebounds

playoffs - round 3
game 1 - 3 points, 1 rebound
game 2 - 25 points, 6 rebounds
game 3 - 2 points, 8 rebounds
game 4 - 8 points, 8 rebounds
game 5 - 14 points, 3 rebounds
game 6 - 12 points, 11 rebounds

playoffs - NBA finals
game 1 - 12 points, 6 rebounds
game 2 - 7 points, 6 rebounds
game 3 - 8 points, 2 rebounds
game 4 - 0 points, 4 rebounds
game 5 - 14 points, 3 rebounds
game 6 - 5 points, 5 rebounds


I was wrong on how many minutes he played.

But boy was he inconsistent.

And two goose eggs during the playoffs.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

... as a starter.

Sure as a starter but he isn't playing starter minutes.

He's avg. 23 minutes.

Same as Malik.

[dcole50]

if you think malik could have had the impact on tonight's game that nazr did, your memory of malik must be far different from mine.

[MI21]

playoffs - round 1
game 1 - 13 points, 6 rebounds
game 2 - 11 points, 5 rebounds
game 3 - 15 points, 7 rebounds
game 4 - 10 points, 14 rebounds
game 5 - 27 points, 13 rebounds
game 6 - 7 points, 7 rebounds

Judging by those, Malik definitly was a liability on the boards.


if you think malik could have had the impact on tonight's game that nazr did, your memory of malik must be far different from mine.

Yeah, because the numbers above prove that he has never had an impact on playoffs games. Malik once had 29/13 in the playoffs against Seattle, without Tim Duncan drawing attention.

[Useruser666]

I'm glad we have Nazr. He gets points from missed shots. He rebounds the ball very well and I believe will be a good shot blocker in the Spurs system. He finished stronger this game and had less pump fakes. He needed to step out more on several pick and rolls, but I believe that he will learn this when he trusts his teammates to cover his man.

[Jimcs50]

He had only 2 rebs the last 3 quarters. I thought he would have 20 rebs last night...but that 19 pts surprised everyone.

[SpursFanInAustin]

While Malik may have the better jumpshot from outside than Nazr, We already have a jumpshooting "big" (well if you want to call him that at 6'10), in Robert Horry who's jumpshot extends all the way to 3-point range. Horry's play this year has made Malik expendable, due to his veteran savvy, as you don't see fumbled catches off of guard penetration under the basket or swing passes into the 3rd row at SBC center. Also Horry gets you some offensive rebounds, ala D-Rob, when he goes up and taps the ball back towards the 3-pt arc where the guards are waiting. Nazr is an inside presence that I have wanted out of a center ever since I knew D-Rob was calling it quits in May of 2002. Remember the old boards of No Limit FA 2001? If I recall, wasn't Nazr Mohammed one of the bigs some people were interested in to be the successor of D-Rob?

[wildbill2u]

Is the Rasho era coming to an end? It's early and the matchups dictate when Rasho should play, but he certainly hasn't been missed in this series as far as I could tell. And by the way, I'm not a Rasho basher. He plays good d and hustles, but it looks like Nasr has the edge in mobility, scoring and rebounding.

I suspect we'll discuss a trade: Would you trade Rasho for...? as soon as the playoffs are over.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He had only 2 rebs the last 3 quarters.

Well, to be fair to Nazr:
1. he didn't play in the fourth
2. when he was in there in the third I think he and manu missed a combined 1 shot between them.

Hard to rebound when the ball's going through the net.