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Quit taunting the traumatized Malik fans.
Expectations of Nazr vs Rose
1. Nazr will be a more effective post defender. He’ll block and alter more shots. He won’t be susceptible to being shot over a major problem with Malik.
2. Nazr will be a better rebounder, particularly offensive rebounder. A fair amount of Malik’s offensive rebounding was negated by immediately getting stuffed or turning the ball over. Nazr is more of an immediate tap in type scorer off rebounds or he kicks the ball out.
3. Nazr will be as or a more effective scorer than Malik. He gets his points without imposing himself on the offense and occupying the ball. If there were a stat for points per minute hoilding the ball Nazr would beat Rose hands down.
4. Nazr should be about as foul prone as Malik. He’s averaged 5.7 per 48 minutes while Malik has averaged 7.1 this year.
5. Nazr won’t shoot as well from mid-range or the outside as Malik but he won’t try. Almost all Nazr’s shots looking at shot charts from Knick games have been from 15 feet and in, most nine feet and in. He hasn’t attempted a three point shot this year.
Quit taunting the traumatized Malik fans.
Speaking of Malik, what were his numbers last night? Heard Miami won at the buzzer.
ok. i'm convinced. lets make the trade.
Even Massenburg looks great compared to Fortson last night:
6 minutes, 6 fouls.
In his case, Forston isn't a klutz, he's just a thug.
I expect Nazr to not be challenged routinely for his position in the rotation. If he is, we're sunk.
What do you mean?
He means that he expects Nazr to have a solid spot in the big man rotation, unlike what Rose had.
And that we're in trouble if it ever gets to the point where TMass and Horry are challenging his spot in the rotation (like they took away Malik's PT).
What I mean is, I expect Nazr to play well enough to solidify the frontcourt rotation so we don't overplay guys like Horry and Massenburg out of necessity.
rose was beaten out by horry and willis
if he is getting beat out by people that spurs sign we are in trouble
unless spurs sign a star fa
First time the Duckster has ever clarified two other posters.
lol, I'm choosing my words carefully, but the flame war will begin anyway.
Wonder, now that the Spurs are roling into the playoffs and Nazr is nearly as settled in as he'll get this year, if there's been any change in perception of who would be more useful to have, Malik or Nazr.
Trade haters?
Trade lovers?
I think Horry will still get the majority of the bigman minutes off the bench in the postseason. But Nazr has played well enough lately to earn some minutes and have a place in the rotation. Hopefully once Duncan and Rasho are both back and in full swing, Nazr will be able to still figure out how to contribute (and somehow increase that FG%).
and somehow increase that FG%
It will get better next year.
That groin still bothers him to where his shots are off. You can tell.
, he STILL has to use a heating pad between his legs during timeouts to keep the damn thing loose.
Its a shame hes not totally healthy.
Horry beats a lot of guys out for minutes...regardless of what his stats are....and Willis and Massenburg never beat Malik out.
As long as Nazr keeps having the type of impact he has been having in the past few games, on a fairly consistent basis, I will be satisfied that the trade didn't hurt our le chances as badly as I originally thought...
Glenn Robinson helps offset the trade too.
I am not gonna really argue about which one would have helped us more because it's a lost cause and there is a concentrated effort on the part of Malik haters to totally ignore what he has done for us in post seasons of the past...specifically in our last le run. And yes I know he didn't have that type of post season last year, but that's because Pop wouldn't let him off the bench. He didn't fail us in the post season, he wasn't given the opportunity.
I disagree with parts of both of these. Nazr still sucks as a defender for the most part. He's getting better and blocking some shots, but he doesn't get in the right position defensively. He is improving though and hopefully that continues.1. Nazr will be a more effective post defender. He’ll block and alter more shots. He won’t be susceptible to being shot over a major problem with Malik.
2. Nazr will be a better rebounder, particularly offensive rebounder. A fair amount of Malik’s offensive rebounding was negated by immediately getting stuffed or turning the ball over. Nazr is more of an immediate tap in type scorer off rebounds or he kicks the ball out.
Secondly, Nazr is an awesome offensive rebounder; he gets great position. But I'd venture to bet that if you tallied up the times that Nazr gets blocked, I think he's on a Malik-esque pace.
All in all, I think the trade was good because Nazr is going to get his fair shake of playing time. I didn't want the Spurs to keep paying for a player that they weren't going to use. So I think the trade was good. But the jury is still out on Nazr's ability to contribute with both Duncan and Rasho healthy.
I think Nazr's defensive game is coming around some. He seems a little less confused to me. He had a couple of nice help D plays against Utah. I think it began with Pop making clear to him his role was D and rebounding, taking some sel-imposed pressure off Nazr that he had to make a big impact on offense.
I hope Pop has Duncan and Nazr on the floor together these last few games a fair amount to get used to each other and see what they can do together. Nazr's rebounding could wreak havoc.
The good news about Nazr is he's not being posted up anymore and he's not fouling as much anymore. If he can rebound and play D, I'd be happy.
do that this year.If he can rebound and play D, I'd be happy.
Next year will be, God and health willing, the year he breaks out IMO, contract year, plus more familiarity.
Malik was a better defender, Nazr's defense has a ways to go. In the end if Nazr can adjust, his size will change more shots.
Nazr v. Malik on offense is a wash to me at this point. They both do things I wish they wouldn't do, and they both play with energy and heart. Malik was a better free throw shooter.
I look forward to seeing an updated +/- chart when Nazr has played more.
Overall though, Kori is right. At least we're not overpaying a guy who Pop won't play. Team chemisty appears to be righting itself as well.
Malik hasn't been a good defender since 2003, when taller players realized they could just shoot over him.
]quote]and Willis and Massenburg never beat Malik out. [/quote]
I beg to differ, they already did that this year, which is part of the reason Rose got sent packing.
I'm with picnroll on this though, I want to see Nazr get some quality PT alongside Duncan. Duncan will help him pick things up even faster on defense, and on offense I think Nazr will go ape crashing the offensive glass on the weakside away from Tim.
Haven't you guys hashed over this bull enough? Too bad Malik's gone, hopefully Nazr works out. Stop the hate. Period.
What hate? Are you incapable of discussing the merits of what one player might bring versus another without making it a hate issue?
It's a hate issue because
1. It's irrelevant to the team at this point.
2. The same tired myths are still being put forward like "Malik couldn't defend because of his height" and "Malik got beaten out by Willis/Massenburg." Granted, you weren't the one saying these things, but I wasn't addressing you alone.
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