Manu done for the season- including playoffs

[eric365]

nice of fans of other teams to show some class in this thread..good people..

Not only in this thread :
On the laker board :http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=84544
On hornets board :http://hornetsreport.com/HRForums/showthread.php?p=640665#post640665

But I think it's easy to be nice when the threat is completly gone :lol

[Solid D]

Very bad news, indeed. The Spurs weren't on the same level with the Cavs/Lakers/Magic and Celts this season when Gino was playing, much less without him.

This news just seals one huge body bruise for Tony Parker.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Manu just posted: Muy malas noticias. Parece que se me acabó la temporada gente. http://tinyurl.com/d3vun5 Que momento! Esta sí que no me la esperaba... Saludos.

Can someone translate?

Very bad news. It looks like the time for my season just ended on me. What a moment ! It is here that which I was not waiting for. Greetings.


:bang

[sonic21]

that really sucks.
i still think we can beat denver, utah or portland

[Ginofan]

Anyone know what transient synovitis is?

[ducks]

Well the injury is a fracture now, not a stress reaction. So that's already indicative that it's much worse than before. I just hope that swelling of the marrow isn't another problem that is going to be ongoing into next year.

atleast publically they are saying that now
I think all along it was a fracture

[clambake]

sorry guys. that sux.

[21_Blessings]

Doesn't really change anything. SA had no chance at beating the Lakers anyways. Espcially with Bynum's return imminent.

[Obstructed_View]

Malik Hairston?

[Kori Ellis]

atleast publically they are saying that now
I think all along it was a fracture

No it wasn't a fracture at first. It was a stress reaction that healed enough to be cleared by doctors to play. But obviously, it wasn't time yet :(

[peacemaker885]

After being ignored for most of the season, this news is front page on most sports sites, even news.google.com.

[Mavs<Spurs]

sorry guys. that sux.

thank you.

Now that our season is over, good luck to you.

:bang

[chode_regulator]

Hope he's happy. Hope palying for Argentina was worth it

[Mugen]

Not only in this thread :
On the laker board :http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=84544
On hornets board :http://hornetsreport.com/HRForums/showthread.php?p=640665#post640665

But I think it's easy to be nice when the threat is completly gone :lol

they could care less about manu, just happy that the spurs are fucked.

easy to say the right things when things are already in your favor.

[ducks]

you heard though it was season ending to begin with
then they said it was not


I think they wanted people to still go to the games and buy playoff tickets
it was a pr move

[Mavs<Spurs]

Wow unbelievable...thiss sucks big time!! I hope a speedy recory for Manu.

Thank you.

It always looked like the Lakers vs the Cavs. Now, it is almost certain (barring the unfortunate).

Best of luck to you guys; much better than ours.

:toast

:bang

[Popo>Phil]

Third, the question about what to do with Manu after 2010 is wide open. If he doesn't have an all star season in 09-10, he will be either gone or back in a limited role in 2010.

He would be our Argentinian Brent Barry...

[Spursfan092120]

Doesn't really change anything. SA had no chance at beating the Lakers anyways. Espcially with Bynum's return imminent.
http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/GTFO/3/gtfo15ht0.jpg

[angelbelow]

fuck..

[LakerHater]

Well the injury is a fracture now, not a stress reaction. So that's already indicative that it's much worse than before. I just hope that swelling of the marrow isn't another problem that is going to be ongoing into next year.

Yes, & edema is often caused following the injury!
This usaually takes 12-18 mos. to heal!

[ducks]

Yes, & edema is often caused following the injury!
This usaually takes 12-18 mos. to heal!

nice 18 months

he might be healthy never:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

[porscha]

nice of fans of other teams to show some class in this thread..good people..
some of OUR OWN FANS acting worse...shame.

[Obstructed_View]

you heard though it was season ending to begin with
then they said it was not


I think they wanted people to still go to the games and buy playoff tickets
it was a pr move

What are you talking about? Someone said it's not season ending? You type like a five year old with ADD.

[ducks]

What are you talking about? Someone said it's not season ending?

he is not playing in the playoffs !

[MannyIsGod]

No it wasn't a fracture at first. It was a stress reaction that healed enough to be cleared by doctors to play. But obviously, it wasn't time yet :(

He heals so slowly and that should be the main concern with Manu. The timetable for his return was already delayed and when he came back he still hadn't healed completely, so there is a legitimate reason to be scared this will be a chronic concern with him.

I love Manu, but I think its all downhill from here. 3 point shot or not, if he can't stay on the court then he's not much good to a team in the NBA. All we can do at this point is wait and see.

[Baseline]

Hope he thoroughly enjoys spending the 9 million he got paid this year.

Meanwhile, he has held the franchise hostage since last August, which meant running Duncan into the ground this year and now we have nothing to show for it.

Injuries happen - I get that. But he's the one who chose to play in the Olympics, and look where it got the Spurs.

[Kori Ellis]

What are you talking about? Someone said it's not season ending?

He's talking about the initial injury when several people told us it might be season ending.

[Obstructed_View]

he is not playing in the playoffs !

What does "then they said it was not" mean? God damn you're so fucking stupid.

[boutons_deux]

As Pop has always said, everything depends on being healthy.

3 - 5 - 7 - not this year.

[ducks]

What does "then they said it was not" mean? God damn you're so fucking stupid.

kori gets it
I guess you are the stupid one

[Obstructed_View]

He's talking about the initial injury when several people told us it might be season ending.

I liked your policy of deleting his posts. They make no fucking sense.

[timtonymanu]

that really sucks. Manu may be done but I'm still gonna root for the guys. The Spurs are in the playoffs. All I'm worried about is if Pop will finally play Mason, Hill, and Bowen more.

[Mugen]

Hope he thoroughly enjoys spending the 9 million he got paid this year.

Meanwhile, he has held the franchise hostage since last August, which meant running Duncan into the ground this year and now we have nothing to show for it.

Injuries happen - I get that. But he's the one who chose to play in the Olympics, and look where it got the Spurs.

way to kick him when hes down man

[Solid D]

Hope he's happy. Hope palying for Argentina was worth it


Please don't mistake this for a well informed and intelligent post.

[SpursFan0728]

Yes, & edema is often caused following the injury!
This usaually takes 12-18 mos. to heal!

12-18 months of recovery?

Wow is it possible to have an injury that takes 18 months to heal?

And if it does take that long, will he be close to what he is before the injured?
Or will it still bother him after the recovery?

[Obstructed_View]

that really sucks. Manu may be done but I'm still gonna root for the guys. The Spurs are in the playoffs. All I'm worried about is if Pop will finally play Mason, Hill, and Bowen more.

I remember a playoff series with Antoine Carr as the starting center. Played his ass off, and I don't think the Spurs won a game. It was '92 I think. It was fun.

[MannyIsGod]

way to kick him when hes down man

Oh if we could only all be so lucky to be down with a huge paycheck for playing a game. Yeah - I'm sure he's not thrilled with things but Manu made choices which led him down this path (and I defend his right to choose to play in those olympics) but you must also man up and accept those choices may not have been the best.

He did what he wanted to do for himself, not for the Spurs or Spurs fans, so I think a little vented frustration from Spurs fans is understandable.

[Spursmania]

Doesn't really change anything. SA had no chance at beating the Lakers anyways. Espcially with Bynum's return imminent.

:stfu:stfu:deadhorse:deadhorse:pimpslap:pimpslap

[ducks]

12-18 months of recovery?

Wow is it possible to have an injury that takes 18 months to heal?

And if it does take that long, will he be close to what he is before the injured?
Or will it still bother him after the recovery?

yeah they are called career injuries

[MannyIsGod]

If Hill can't get a lot of playing time now then I don't know what it will take.

[Obstructed_View]

Man did our med staff not consider this, first Ian now Manu.....missing root of the problem with both.

How dare you question the Spurs medical staff. They have four championships, so they must never make mistakes. You must live in your basement or something.

[Cherry]

I 'm devastated :depressed

[Sii]

Man did our med staff not consider this, first Ian now Manu.....missing root of the problem with both.

Yeah...clearly its the front offices fault an injury occurs. and now the doctors caused this??

[ducks]

Oh if we could only all be so lucky to be down with a huge paycheck for playing a game. Yeah - I'm sure he's not thrilled with things but Manu made choices which led him down this path (and I defend his right to choose to play in those olympics) but you must also man up and accept those choices may not have been the best.

He did what he wanted to do for himself, not for the Spurs or Spurs fans, so I think a little vented frustration from Spurs fans is understandable.

:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:
\

especially two years in a row
if spurs pull it off it will not be because of manu

[Thomas82]

oh if we could only all be so lucky to be down with a huge paycheck for playing a game. Yeah - i'm sure he's not thrilled with things but manu made choices which led him down this path (and i defend his right to choose to play in those olympics) but you must also man up and accept those choices may not have been the best.

He did what he wanted to do for himself, not for the spurs or spurs fans, so i think a little vented frustration from spurs fans is understandable.

+1

[MannyIsGod]

:flag::flag::flag::flag::flag:
\

especially two years in a row
if spurs pull it off it will not be because of manu

Oh shut the fuck up. I fucking hate your blind hatred of Manu. Please don't quote me like I'm saying anything like the stupid shit you constantly spew.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah...clearly its the front offices fault an injury occurs

The front office is the medical staff? That explains so much...

[ducks]

Yeah...clearly its the front offices fault an injury occurs

the front office did not mess up
but the medical team

I would trade them to the suns
they have hill and shaq healthy!

[DPG21920]

Anyone want to meet up and drown our sorrows?

[ducks]

Anyone want to meet up and drown our sorrows?

hummm

they would cost money
and also cost big headache and maybe a dui

smart to do

[Sii]

The front office is the medical staff? That explains so much...

and the med staff clearly caused Manu's problem how? Now random people on a message board are medical experts too?

the speculation on Manu's career somehow being over by some on here tonight is funny enough (despite nothing to base that on at this point) but now there is hard evidence the medical staff fucked this up?

injuries happen

[loveforthegame]

12-18 months of recovery time? So he's not even available for next season or the playoffs then.

If that doesn't sound like a career ending injury then I don't know what is.

[alchemist]

:depressed definitely a kick in the balls moment. As much as it pains me to dump on Argentina, I really hope they watched every minute of Olympic Basketball that had Manu in it because this man sacrificed everything, I know I appreciate everything he's done in a Spurs uniform.

With that said I will not abandon the troops, we're all here until the end baby. :flag: :ihit

[boutons_deux]

"He did what he wanted to do for himself"

bullshit. He wanted to represent his country, where he is a national hero, not let his national team down, where is the natural leader.

[DPG21920]

hummm

they would cost money
and also cost big headache and maybe a dui

smart to do

Do you ever spend money? Everything cost money. Do you ever go out? Have you heard of a taxi? Have you heard of having a few drinks and not getting hammered? Tony Parker drinks too you know.

[Spursmania]

So basically the team doctors didn't know wtf they were talking about or how to rehabilitate his stress reaction or they brought him back to soon? Which one? I mean it's a full blown fracture now? Something unusual happened here. Fuck!:depressed:cry

[Mugen]

manu haters coming out of the woodwork now.

[ducks]

Do you ever spend money? Everything cost money. Do you ever go out? Have you heard of a taxi? Have you heard of having a few drinks and not getting hammered? Tony Parker drinks too you know.

I do not get drunk on manu being injured
I am already used to it

[Obstructed_View]

manu haters coming out of the woodwork now.

What's amazing is how much ducks seems to be enjoying it. Not sure why a non-Spurs fan would spend so much time on a Spurs board, but hey, we all know he's an idiot.

[SilenceTheTruth]

It's a pussy move to log onto a proxy server just to post trash.no its a pussy move to try to ban people for sharing their views

[mardigan]

Poor guy. I know how much not being out on the court bothers him. Hope his body heals up, and I up he doesn't suffer any kind of mental hang ups over this. Get well buddy.

[DPG21920]

I do not get drunk on manu being injured
I am already used to it

It was called a joke.

[Das Texan]

well son of a bitch.


this is truly an unfortunate event and goodbye season basically.

[Spursmania]

manu haters coming out of the woodwork now.

Yes, I'm not sure how many fans here would be ragging on Duncan if he had played for our country. Anyways. what's done is done. I'm just hopeful he can be 100% Manu again. Let's see what the recovery time really is going to be.

[mrcoon29]

:cry *sigh* FVCK, SH!T, FVCK.

[ducks]

I enjoy the spurs
I have gone to spurs games in az
I have spurs hate on now
I have wallpaper of the admiral on my computer
I am a spurs fan not a manu fan
you are a manu fan not spurs fan

[spurtilldeath]

FU all manu haters.....give the guy a break. Good luck to Manu on his recovery...nothing is more important than his health.

[Solid D]

Does anyone have a link to how the stress reaction and later fracture of the right leg was spawned by Manu's left ankle problem last year and during the Olympics???

[Kori Ellis]

What's amazing is how much ducks seems to be enjoying it. .

Yeah it's pitiful that there's actually Spurs fans relishing in delight at Manu being done for the season, just so they can say, "I was right; Manu is always injured."

Sick.

I have already deleted a bunch of horrible things that were being said by Laker trolls, but we don't need Spurs fans loving Manu being done for the year too.

[Keepin' it real]

The only positive for me is this: In the past several seasons, when the Spurs didn't win, they would lose in either the semi's or WCF. I would be dejected for so long that by the time I got over it, the Finals were finished, and I never had a chance to watch.

Now it's looking like a surefire 1 and done, so I should be mentally right for the Finals. Just in time to watch the Lakers lose in the Finals for the 3rd time in 6 years.

[Mavs<Spurs]

What a sorry way to end the season !

Unless some people can prove that playing in the Olympics worsened what he presently has, then the Olympics are not relevant.

As Manu's playing career indicates that he does not frequently miss long stretches of games, it is short-sighted and churlish to attack him now and say that he can no longer be a valuable member of the Spurs.

Playing Timmy when Timmy is hurt and not capable of carrying the team (witness his 2 for 7 shooting game against the Cavs as well as so many poor games [due to injury not anything else]) during the playoffs seems short-sighted as well.

In addition, demanding to trade him in the near term is also dumb because the Spurs would not come close to acquiring equal value due to perceived lessened value due to the current Manu injury situation. If he isn't well, he won't be able to contribute significantly to our team. But he wouldn't bring much in trade value. And if he is able to return healthy next season, then he would be worth much more than we would ever get for him. So, trading him or trying to trade him now is a high risk / low reward scenario and thus, doesn't make sense.

Kicking him while he is down after he played his heart out for us and was essential to 3 of our championships is classless.

Spurs season is done now. That's just the reality. It doesn't mean that I will stop cheering for them this season. I won't stop cheering for them this season. However, I am realistic. We have no shot at winning a championship now.

I hope that the 12 to 18 month recovery time is not applicable to Manu's current injury.I will have to wait for better/ more reliable information before I can really believe that.


:flag:

:bang

[Kori Ellis]

Does anyone have a link to how the stress reaction and later fracture of the right leg was spawned by Manu's left ankle problem last year and during the Olympics???

Some people are still convinced it's the same leg :lol

[Ginofan]

What's amazing is how much ducks seems to be enjoying it. Not sure why a non-Spurs fan would spend so much time on a Spurs board, but hey, we all know he's an idiot.

It's not amazing...it's typical ducks. Anything related to Manu he has some negative comment, how he calls himself a Spurs fan and not just a Tony fan is beyond me.

[Mugen]

I enjoy the spurs
I have gone to spurs games in az
I have spurs hate on now
I have wallpaper of the admiral on my computer
I am a spurs fan not a manu fan
you are a manu fan not spurs fan
i am happy when spurs players get hurt

[Death In June]

This has been a shitty week. With a 12 month recovery time, that would be two manu-less seasons. Manu's been my favorite player over the years, really blows to see this happening with the possibility that it sticks with him his entire career. I really don't care how the season plays out now, as long as the effort is there to play competitive.

[ducks]

Yeah it's pitiful that there's actually Spurs fans relishing in delight at Manu being done for the season, just so they can say, "I was right; Manu is always injured."

Sick.

I have already deleted a bunch of horrible things that were being said by Laker trolls, but we don't need Spurs fans loving Manu being done for the year too.

people want titles and when the same player blows it against dallas with his stupid foul
then gets hurt against the lakers
and now gets hurt this year
3 years in the row he blows it
IT GETS OLD

[Amuseddaysleeper]

"He did what he wanted to do for himself"

bullshit. He wanted to represent his country, where he is a national hero, not let his national team down, where is the natural leader.

/thread

[ducks]

It's not amazing...it's typical ducks. Anything related to Manu he has some negative comment, how he calls himself a Spurs fan and not just a Tony fan is beyond me.

I posted on spurs forum before tp played for the spurs
did you post here before spurs drafted manu?

[Ginofan]

people want titles and when the same player blows it against dallas with his stupid foul
then gets hurt against the lakers
and now gets hurt this year
3 years in the row he blows it
IT GETS OLD
You are ridiculous. We wouldn't even have a shot at championships without the help of Manu. I'm pretty sure every player makes mistakes. Get off the fucking meds.

[CubanMustGo]

people want titles and when the same player blows it against dallas with his stupid foul
then gets hurt against the lakers
and now gets hurt this year
3 years in the row he blows it
IT GETS OLD

Bullshit. 99+% of your posts about Manu are negative.

IT GETS OLD.

[Kori Ellis]

This has been a shitty week. With a 12 month recovery time, that would be two manu-less seasons. Manu's been my favorite player over the years, really blows to see this happening with the possibility that it sticks with him his entire career. I really don't care how the season plays out now, as long as the effort is there to play competitive.

No authority has said its a 12 month recovery time. Just someone here posted that about the marrow edema.

[Xylus]

Sorry to hear about Manu, guys.

Since my Suns are pretty much ousted from the playoffs, I'll be rooting for the San Antonio Spurs this upcoming postseason. Manu's out, so I'll cheer harder in his absence.

[timvp]

Horrible news. Such a sad way for the season to end. I have to digest this move more but I'm not totally against quietly getting out of the playoffs as soon as possible. There's just no way to win a championship without Manu. Even with Manu at 100%, the Spurs faced an up hill climb.

This really sucks for the Spurs and Manu. Regarding Manu, I just hope that he can get back to 100%. I understand a little bit of anger towards him because he knew what he was jeopardizing when he decided to play for Argentina (most notably money and the Spurs upcoming season) but that same heart and determination that forced him to play for Argentina are the same aspects that make him one of the greatest winners in basketball in the last quarter century. As has been the case with Manu since he arrived, the Spurs either win or lose with Manu. The rest of the team is obviously important but he's been the ultimate x-factor.

Like FWD said, this is just like a repeat of the 2000 season. The Spurs struggled through the regular season as they were trying to wait for all their pieces to get healthy and then just when it looks like they can make a push, one final injury dooms the season.

I haven't even started to think where the Spurs go from here. The realization that the ride is over before it even began is depressing.

Sorry, Spurs fans. :td

[ducks]

You are ridiculous. We wouldn't even have a shot at championships without the help of Manu. I'm pretty sure every player makes mistakes. Get off the fucking meds.

ofcourse he helped get the spurs there before
has not helped much at all this year

[Obstructed_View]

Yep it sure is!

Nice try.

[Ginofan]

I posted on spurs forum before tp played for the spurs
did you post here before spurs drafted manu?

Did I have to post here at ST to be a Spursfan before Manu? Was that a requirement or something? Look, when you started posting doesn't really concern me. You're continued HATE of anything have to do with Manu is what concerns me.

Manu is my favorite player yes, but I LOVE the Spurs. I would be heartbroken if anything like this happened to Timmy, Tony, Bruce, etc. It's about being a fan of the TEAM...you may dislike some players on your team, but you don't show HATE like you do ALL THE TIME.

[ducks]

Bullshit. 99+% of your posts about Manu are negative.

IT GETS OLD.

injuries are negative sorry

[VaSpursFan]

Yes, & edema is often caused following the injury!
This usaually takes 12-18 mos. to heal!

1.5 years to recover from a stress fracture??? are you serious?

[CubanMustGo]

injuries are negative sorry

Your Manu posts are sorry negatives.

[Kori Ellis]

injuries are negative sorry

You should really probably step out of this thread. We get it. You are happy Manu is injured. We get it. You hate Manu.

That's enough.

[Supergirl]

I'm not ready to give up on them yet. They were a Manu away from the NBA Finals and I'd say title last year, this year they have more depth. I think it's Mason and Gooden's time to shine now.

The one thing about Manu being out is now the pressure is lifted - if they don't make it they can attribute it to no Manu, but they have the talent to persevere if the talent shows up.

[Ginofan]

You should really probably step out of this thread. We get it. You are happy Manu is injured. We get it. You hate Manu.

That's enough.

Thank you!

[FvckMavs]

Kori,
Please ban that idiot.

[spursfan09]

I'm studying for an upcoming exam, but shit I'm depressed. :bang

[Yuixafun]

I woke up from nap turned on ESPN to find out about the final 4 and saw on the bottom breaking news..

Manu done for the season.

I hoped my eyes played tricks on me, but alas to no avail.


Damn.

Stress fractures aren't something that happen suddenly, they result from prolonged pressure in an a specific area which after time causes a fracture, the pipe bursts.

Coming back from that left ankle injury Manu compensated too much with his right. It took the brunt of the force incurred from his basketball movements. Really a shame.

I wonder if it was truly necessary to bring him back before the All-Star game. You'd think the medical staff would have factored this scenario in. But knowing Manu he might have been saying he was ready without it being true.

Players of Manu's mold feel tremendous pressure to perform, step up, play through injury, etc. Especially with the surrounding hoopla, you know Manu deep down felt the need to justify his actions over the summer, return and play amazing right away.

Had he been given 2 months to fully recover from the injury before resuming basketball this subsequent injury doesn't happen.

The Spurs might have been able to tread water without him and still make the playoffs.

Of course if Manu had forgone the Olympics... even so, Manu rolled the dice and came up snake eyes.

It's going to be awfully tough from here on out.

I don't believe this is a degenerative condition. They need to remove what's loose in there, give him an extended rest, and hopefully he comes back with both his ankles right ready for next season.

I'm pretty bummed right now as are most fans but bitching about the situation won't help.

So I'm off to eat a sumptuous dinner then catch the Final 4 with some amigos. I'm sure some shots are bound to happen. :toast

Tomorrow is another day, be healthy.

[Sigz]

Fuck. This fucking sucks.

Manu is just too damn beat up from all of the ball he's played over the years. I don't seem him ever being that special and weird "manu" again.

[timvp]

Does anyone have a link to how the stress reaction and later fracture of the right leg was spawned by Manu's left ankle problem last year and during the Olympics???From what I've heard, they are possibly connected due to both overcompensation and the fact that a shift in his balance and positioning can change where the pressure lands when he's moving/running/jumping on the court.

To me, just watching him in the weeks following his first return, he was running with a little bit of a wobble. That wobble evidently led to a shift in location of his shock absorption on the other leg. Thus the added stress, the reaction and then the ultimate fracture.

I'm not sure if we'll get official confirmation from the Spurs but that's what I was hearing around the time of his stress reaction diagnosis.

[Cherry]

ofcourse he helped get the spurs there before
has not helped much at all this year

Fuck you ducks! stupid piece of shit

[Kriz-Maxima]

Really sad, Manu is one of my favorite players and the Spurs are my second favorite team. After seeing what a shitty season the Pistons had I had all my hope placed on the Spurs pulling this one. They'll still be the team to cheer for in the playoffs.

Fuck everyone hating on Manu for being the warrior he always has been.

[SpuronyourFace]

Should of let the ankle heal in the summer instead of playing in the fucking olympics. Thats all he needed after surgery, was to stay off it all summer long instead of making it a residual injury.

He let us down this time...

[Libri]

I leave for an hour and come back to read this.

:pctoss:depressed

[Kori Ellis]

Should of let the ankle heal in the summer instead of playing in the fucking olympics. Thats all he needed after surgery, was to stay off it all summer long instead of making it a residual injury.

He let us down this time...

You realize that it's a different leg, right?

[Obstructed_View]

You realize that it's a different leg, right?

If I'm reading LJ's post correctly, that would make sense, wouldn't it?

[xtremesteven33]

Anybody but L.A.........

nuff said

[ducks]

Yep!

[Kori Ellis]

If I'm reading LJ's post correctly, that would make sense, wouldn't it?

I don't believe what LJ is saying. :lol I think they are two independent injuries :)

[Mugen]

Anybody but L.A.........

nuff said

that is exactly how i feel.

+ a million.

[ElNono]

12-18 months of recovery?

Wow is it possible to have an injury that takes 18 months to heal?

And if it does take that long, will he be close to what he is before the injured?
Or will it still bother him after the recovery?

Here's an article from a NFL guy that had a stress fracture. Took him 10 weeks after surgery...

http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/nfl_news.cfm?news_id=468

Now, I don't know how similar this is, but that 12 to 18 months post was definitely from a Lakers troll and not funny.

[timvp]

The most important thing right now it to get word from the Spurs that Manu can be healthy by training camp. If Manu is out into next season, then we are talking end of the championship reign.

If he can come back full next year and Duncan's knees can get a good amount of rest during the summer, then next year isn't too bleak.

[Kori Ellis]

Here's an article from a NFL guy that had a stress fracture. Took him 10 weeks after surgery...

http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/nfl_news.cfm?news_id=468

Now, I don't know how similar this is, but that 12 to 18 months post was definitely from a Lakers troll and not funny.

Well Yao got a stress fracture in his foot in Feb 08 and he ended up playing in the Olympics, right?

So I don't think it will be a year or more recovery time. But like I said, I want to know why they thought the marrow edema was worth mentioning.

[LakerHater]

No authority has said its a 12 month recovery time. Just someone here posted that about the marrow edema.

Correct, the marrow edema, Think of the healing as organized scar tissue. Initially the body may overreact a bit, forming scar tissue and adhesions. but as you slowly get to be a bit more active, that scar tissue will reorganize and act as that supporting structure. As your activity increases, unnecessary scar tissue will likely fall by the wayside so that the final outcome (12-18 months) is a a well organized tissue structure!!

[VI_Massive]

A few thoughts....

1. No Ewing Theory potential here, right?

2. Do we sit Timmy till the playoffs a la Garnett? The rest won't heal him but it will make him fresher for the playoffs. My instinct is to say no. We were dealt a body blow and any miniscule chance we have of doing something in the playoffs is going to come from our leaders playing angry, and hauling us to victory on their backs.

3. I hate to say it, but I think this might be the end of meaningful contributions from Manu. We all know guards go more quickly than big men and Manu's been playing pro ball for almost 15 years now. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think he'll ever have that explosiveness so necessary to him playing at a high level. I think the best we can hope for is a Grant Hill-type player. Serviceable, but not special like he once was. Again, I hope I am wrong.

4. This brings us to "what the hell do we do with Manu?". If Milwaukee offered us Jefferson for Manu straight up should we take it? I think probably yes. If we can use his expiring deal to get a young, reasonably affordable 3, then I think we should do it. There will be plenty of teams looking for an expiring deal like Manu's in the offseason and I think we should take advantage of it. I love Manu, but I'm tired of the Spurs being old.

EDIT: I still advocate trading Manu for a good, younger, affordable 3 if it can be done, but thinking more about it now, the only scenario in which we get anything good for him is a pure salary dump by another team (thankfully those are more common these days) because he'll need to show he's all healed, etc.

5. I am very interested to see how the team reacts. This is the first time, probably since TD's arrival when there are no expectations on the team. Our singular goal is always a championship and now everyone knows we're almost certainly not going to get one. How will they react? Guys like Gooden, Mason, Udoka, Hill, and Hairston (if they bring him back) have themselves to play for, whether its their next contract, showing they deserve to be in the league, with the Spurs, or whatever. But the heart and soul, Duncan, Parker, Bowen, Thomas etc. are all established players with nothing left to prove. How will they react? Will they respond angrily, upset that people are counting them out? Will they give up? Its hard for me to imagine their reaction being either of these. Giving up is pretty unlikely, right? I think we can all agree on that. But do you really expect the Spurs to get angry and all "fuck you for doubting us"? They are competitors, but they are realists who know that Manu was their shot to win the championship. I am fascinated to see how they will react to it. Personally, I'm hoping they adopt the "fuck you" mentality and give the playoffs all they can handle. I think they could make a good run of it if Timmy were healthy, but that's not the case either.

[SpursFan0728]

Correct, the marrow edema, Think of the healing as organized scar tissue. Initially the body may overreact a bit, forming scar tissue and adhesions. but as you slowly get to be a bit more active, that scar tissue will reorganize and act as that supporting structure. As your activity increases, unnecessary scar tissue will likely fall by the wayside so that the final outcome (12-18 months) is a a well organized tissue structure!!

Fuck man. I don't know how to respond to this.

[timvp]

I don't believe what LJ is saying. :lol I think they are two independent injuries :)Yeah, it's impossible to know for sure. But stress fractures are pretty common for overcompensating previous injuries. However, they can also occur out of the blue ..... so there's no way to know for sure either way.

If I had to bet, I'd say his first injury led to the second ... just because of how weird he was running and moving once he returned to action. It was like he was running on stilts.

But I could be wrong.

Either way doesn't matter. What matters is making sure Manu will be able to return by training camp and that the Spurs have a smart exit strategy this season.

[Cry Havoc]

Well, there go the playoffs. Regroup for next year.

[Obstructed_View]

Well Yao got a stress fracture in his foot in Feb 08 and he ended up playing in the Olympics, right?

So I don't think it will be a year or more recovery time. But like I said, I want to know why they thought the marrow edema was worth mentioning.

Found this online:


Marrow edema is a generalized response to either trauma or stress of the bone marrow. Bone marrow edema may be the first recognizable MR finding in many conditions, including transient synovitis, trauma, stress, infection, ischemia, tumor and reflex sympathetic dystrophy.
If I read that correctly, then the edema is not the problem, it's the red flag.

[timvp]

What makes me want to :vomit: is Manu is almost exactly on the same course as Sarunas Marciulionis. If he continues on that Marciulionis trail, he'll return next year only to see the injury return again and be forced into retirement :cry

[VI_Massive]

What makes me want to :vomit: is Manu is almost exactly on the same course as Sarunas Marciulionis. If he continues on that Marciulionis trail, he'll return next year only to see the injury return again and be forced into retirement :cry

Shouldn't you sign in as KBP before posting this?

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

This is seriously depressing....

[VaSpursFan]

What makes me want to :vomit: is Manu is almost exactly on the same course as Sarunas Marciulionis. If he continues on that Marciulionis trail, he'll return next year only to see the injury return again and be forced into retirement :cry

the spurs fan in me doesn't want to believe this...but the rational side, agrees with this. manu only knows one way to play which may lead to this becoming a chronic thing. i hope not :(

[1Parker1]

:( Wow, what shocking and horrible news. I honestly cannot imagine how this team will be in the upcoming season's without a semi-healthy Manu contributing. If he doesn't recover from this fully or is forced into retirement or traded, this could very well be the end of the championship contending era in the Duncan era. I honestly don't even want to believe it.

Finley, Bowen, Udoka, Thomas, Vaughn will all be a year older next season...and I'm not sure any of them with the exception of Bowen should even be kept around.

Wow, just wow :wow

[dbreiden83080]

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

On to 2010. What a shitty end to the season, next year is likely the last shot to get Number 5..

[Borosai]

Well, the only quasi-positive aspect of this is that expectations are crap bottom right now. I hope that's enough to get the younger guys on the court, and finally give them some playing time.

For those who know, Hairston can be on the playoff roster, right?

[Libri]

Yeah, it's impossible to know for sure. But stress fractures are pretty common for overcompensating previous injuries. However, they can also occur out of the blue ..... so there's no way to know for sure either way.

If I had to bet, I'd say his first injury led to the second ... just because of how weird he was running and moving once he returned to action. It was like he was running on stilts.

But I could be wrong.

Either way doesn't matter. What matters is making sure Manu will be able to return by training camp and that the Spurs have a smart exit strategy this season.

So the way Manu was running was like an impact wrench where there is constant pounding on his leg, instead of smooth movements where the impact is absorbed, similar to a shock absorber. Sorry for the comparison. Its what comes to mind.

[caribbean_spur]

Man that sucks :depressed.

Get well Manu.

For those who think it's because of the Olympics, there is no way to tell. First Manu would have had surgery Olympics or not from what was said at the beginning of the season, so overcompensation could have happened and end his season anyway.

Second, stress fracture can happen without overcompensation, I used to do track and field and I have a number of friends triple jumpers who suffered the injury, just the repeated pounding can do it.

So let just support Manu in this difficult time and stop being douche bags.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

On to 2010. What a shitty end to the season, next year is likely the last shot to get Number 5..

Sadly I think the Tim Duncan era has come to an end, The Spurs would have to make some pretty big roster adjustments if they want to contend next year.

[Obstructed_View]

So the way Manu was running was like an impact wrench where there is constant pounding on his leg, instead of smooth movements where the impact is absorbed, similar to a shock absorber. Sorry for the comparison. Its what comes to mind.

Somebody get Tony Parker a pair of New Balances STAT.

[timvp]

So the way Manu was running was like an impact wrench where there is constant pounding on his leg, instead of smooth movements where the impact is absorbed, similar to a shock absorber. Sorry for the comparison. Its what comes to mind.Exactly. That's what it looked like to me. There's no way to confirm but it makes sense.

[Spurs1234]

Hey guys, we won 4 titles and made countless other runs in the past 10 years....sadily, the past few years has reminded me of the 2000-2002 spurs, they were real good, but no way were they going to beat the lakers..it was great getting over the hump in 2003, and being great until 2007, but I think with that Gasol trade, even if manu, the lakers were going to be hard to beat. Worst trade of all time, but stern is ok with it, LAL is good again. anyways, why can't anyone show me the exact play manu got hurt, I have every playoff game on dvd from last year, could never see anything that caused it...which probably isnt a good thing, manu's ankle just cant hold up anymore...pretty sad. well, enjoy the rest of the season guys, even though we won't win, tim duncan, pop, TP in the playoffs is always fun to watch..just enjoy it, over worrying if they will win.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

I don't mean to sound negative but what is the point in playing Tim Duncan anymore..... We all know that we couldn't contend with the Lakers without a HEALTHY Manu, and now without Manu we will be lucky to pass the first round.

I say shut down Timmy D unless we all want to prolong the inevitable.

[benefactor]

This really sucks for Manu. I know that this is killing him on the inside much more than it is on the outside. Get well Manu and we'll see you at training camp. :)

As far as the team goes, this doesn't change much from an expectations standpoint. With the recent developments in the rotations I wasn't giving us much of a chance anyway. If anything, it saves us from having to watch him go balls out in the playoffs only to watch us fall...possibly risking more injury for nothing. I'm not trying to be an ass here so don't take it that way. Just giving my honest opinion.

We got some young players coming in and if we re-sign Gooden or bring in Rasheed with the MLE we will be right back up there again. Hopefully Manu will be there too.

[Spursmania]

Correct, the marrow edema, Think of the healing as organized scar tissue. Initially the body may overreact a bit, forming scar tissue and adhesions. but as you slowly get to be a bit more active, that scar tissue will reorganize and act as that supporting structure. As your activity increases, unnecessary scar tissue will likely fall by the wayside so that the final outcome (12-18 months) is a a well organized tissue structure!!


Laker hater you are so wrong. STFU and get your ass out of here with your worthless opinions. Are you an M.D., didn't think so. Manu will be back-and your premature diagnosis of 12-18 month bullshit is exactly that-bullshit.:nope

Stress fractures heal well and depending on the grade will take a few months to heal. It all depends if it's a grade 1-4 fracture which we won't know until they give us more info.

[Spurs Brazil]

Ludden update:

Stress fracture sidelines Ginobili for season
By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports
2 hours, 12 minutes ago

Buzz up!5 votes PrintThe San Antonio Spurs’ playoff hopes took a severe hit on Monday when the team announced star guard Manu Ginobili will miss the remainder of the season, including the playoffs, because of a stress fracture in his right leg.

Ginobili experienced stiffness in his right leg during Sunday’s loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers. An MRI and CT scan taken on Monday revealed the stress fracture.

Spurs officials said Ginobili will continue to be treated with rest and rehab. Surgery is not currently planned.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqcV2m9HgS.c34H1tbhayMS8vLYF?slug=ys-ginobiliinjured040609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[baseline bum]

It's not all bad I guess... at least this will open up some more minutes for Finley.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't mean to sound negative but what is the point in playing Tim Duncan anymore..... We all know that we couldn't contend with the Lakers without a HEALTHY Manu, and now without Manu we will be lucky to pass the first round.

I say shut down Timmy D unless we all want to prolong the inevitable.

Then why play Parker? Why not just pick the guys that aren't going to be on the team next year and trot them out there. After all, it's not like the Suns are busting their fucking asses trying to get to the playoffs, even if they know they have little chance of advancing.

And I get called a spoiled fan by expecting good decisions from the coach... :bang

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

It's not all bad I guess... at least this will open up some more minutes for Finley.


That's even more depressing than hearing Manu is out for season :depressed

[Spurs Brazil]

It's not all bad I guess... at least this will open up some more minutes for Finley.

It's a sad day but when I read that :lol but then I realized it may be true :depressed

[Brazil]

Whhhhaatttttttt ???????????? I thought this thread was a weird bump... mn

[MannyIsGod]

It's not all bad I guess... at least this will open up some more minutes for Finley.

Thats so harsh and you know it.

I'm trying to belive that this will open up minutes for Hill

To be honest, if the Spurs can get the Hill they had at the start of the season with the RMJ they had at the start of the season they can probably make it to the WCF.

[Brazil]

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

I can't belive it

[MaddSurf82]

manu is a warrior no pain no gain

[de Soto]

Manu is done for the season and for the playoffs! :(:bang


The San Antonio Spurs today announced that guard Manu Ginobili will miss the remainder of the 2008-09 regular season as well as the 2009 NBA Playoffs.

Ginobili felt stiffness in his lower right leg during the Spurs-Cavaliers game in Cleveland on Sunday afternoon. Following the game he returned to San Antonio. Earlier today, in San Antonio, he underwent a CT scan and an MRI. The examinations showed an increased marrow edema and a stress fracture in his right distal fibula.

The stiffness started from his brain.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm trying to belive that this will open up minutes for Hill


JV getting torched by the Cavs' guards didn't open up minutes for Hill.

[ElNono]

Ludden update:

Stress fracture sidelines Ginobili for season
By Johnny Ludden, Yahoo! Sports
2 hours, 12 minutes ago

Buzz up!5 votes PrintThe San Antonio Spurs’ playoff hopes took a severe hit on Monday when the team announced star guard Manu Ginobili will miss the remainder of the season, including the playoffs, because of a stress fracture in his right leg.

Ginobili experienced stiffness in his right leg during Sunday’s loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers. An MRI and CT scan taken on Monday revealed the stress fracture.

Spurs officials said Ginobili will continue to be treated with rest and rehab. Surgery is not currently planned.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AqcV2m9HgS.c34H1tbhayMS8vLYF?slug=ys-ginobiliinjured040609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Thanks for the update.

[Brazil]

Finally the Pop coaching since the asg doesn't appear so bizarro...

[baseline bum]

Thats so harsh and you know it.

I'm trying to belive that this will open up minutes for Hill

To be honest, if the Spurs can get the Hill they had at the start of the season with the RMJ they had at the start of the season they can probably make it to the WCF.

'Eh, I believed having Jacque Vaughn would open up minutes for Hill and look how that worked. :bang

Based on this season so far, my assumption was the only logical one to make. :depressed

[MannyIsGod]

JV getting torched by the Cavs' guards didn't open up minutes for Hill.

Shitty but true.

[LakerHater]

Laker hater you are so wrong. STFU and get your ass out of here with your worthless opinions. Are you an M.D., didn't think so. Manu will be back-and your premature diagnosis of 12-18 month bullshit is exactly that-bullshit.:nope

Stress fractures heal well and depending on the grade will take a few months to heal. It all depends if it's a grade 1-4 fracture which we won't know until they give us more info.

My wife is, shes the 1 telling me this!!!

There are 4:

Stage I - Focal compression of the subchondral bone (bone beneath the cartilage)

Stage II - Focal compression of the subchondral bone with partial detachment of a fragment of cartilage

Stage III - Focal compression of the subchondral bone with a fully detached fragment of cartilage, still situated in place at the site of injury
Stage IV - Focal compression of the subchondral bone with a fully detached fragment of cartilage, detached from the site of injury and floating in the joint space

Calm down, I'm bothered by this too!

[Joe Schmoogins]

Terrible news...

I'm very hurt to hear this, as I'm sure all Spurs fans are. It's a tough break, and it has left me very sad at the moment. For those who are blaming Manu... You all are pure trash.

I've got to say a couple things though...

1. FORGET ABOUT AN EXIT STRATEGY

I just want to see this team go balls to the wall and give it everything they've got going out guns blazing head held high. If we're going down, let's take whoever we can down with us.

2. FORGET ABOUT RESTING TIM

Of course this depends on whether or not he is healthy, but if Tim wants to play, then let him play. The days of watching Tim Duncan play are quickly fading away, and I for one want to take every advantage available to watch the greatest pf to ever lace them up. Also, Playoff Timmy is an absolute animal, and even if we don't win it all, let's not deprive the world of watching Tim potentially do something amazing (ex: the three in game 1 against the suns last year).

3. COME TOGETHER AND SUPPORT YOUR TEAM

If you are a Spurs fan, God bless you. Now there is a time for everything. Obviously, a time for complaining and criticism, but more importantly a time to wear your colors proudly, wave your flag, put on that beautiful silver and black, and support your TEAM. Figure it out Spurs fan.

[SpursDynasty]

We can still win the championship without Manu.

[spurster]

Anybody know what's next?

Surgery or just rest?

For my stress fracture, rest. I don't think you do surgery unless it's a fracture that can't be set any other way.

[td4mvp21]

Finley should get about 40-45 minutes a night now, including 15+ shots and the top defensive assignment.

[baseline bum]

Might as well sit Tim. He's obviously not healthy, and pushing a 60% Duncan with knee problems in an attempt to get a few pyrrhic victories doesn't make much sense.

[Solid D]

Should of let the ankle heal in the summer instead of playing in the ****ing olympics. Thats all he needed after surgery, was to stay off it all summer long instead of making it a residual injury.

He let us down this time...

The surgery was after the Olympics...and I believe he did stay off it after the surgery.

[SpursDynasty]

Roger Mason does more when Manu isn't there.

So, Mason will hold us up.

[MaddSurf82]

pump all the team full of pain killers and get out there and play some ball 1 more time and im not talking about watson 350s talking about the stuff you shoot up called dilauldid baby lets do this spurs 1 more time bring in horry for support too pump the squad up

[ElNono]

The surgery was after the Olympics...and I believe he did stay off it after the surgery.

What's the point? It's probably been said a million times, and they still don't get it.

[bdictjames]

I don't think this team has a chance at all this postseason.

I hope Manu's fine next season. Till then, I don't know if I'm going to watch any NBA at all outside Spurs games.

[MaddSurf82]

no worries guys everything is gonna work out be positve no more negitive stuff not good for the soul good karma guys

[SpursDynasty]

It's bad news but the Spurs won't necessarily miss Manu's 45% shooting. He was ineffective the entire year.

Time for Mason to step up once again.

[Deimosfobos]

ok... this sucks balls...

[Cherry]

Terrible news...

I'm very hurt to hear this, as I'm sure all Spurs fans are. It's a tough break, and it has left me very sad at the moment. For those who are blaming Manu... You all are pure trash.

I've got to say a couple things though...

1. FORGET ABOUT AN EXIT STRATEGY

I just want to see this team go balls to the wall and give it everything they've got going out guns blazing head held high. If we're going down, let's take whoever we can down with us.

2. FORGET ABOUT RESTING TIM

Of course this depends on whether or not he is healthy, but if Tim wants to play, then let him play. The days of watching Tim Duncan play are quickly fading away, and I for one want to take every advantage available to watch the greatest pf to ever lace them up. Also, Playoff Timmy is an absolute animal, and even if we don't win it all, let's not deprive the world of watching Tim potentially do something amazing (ex: the three in game 1 against the suns last year).

3. COME TOGETHER AND SUPPORT YOUR TEAM

If you are a Spurs fan, God bless you. Now there is a time for everything. Obviously, a time for complaining and criticism, but more importantly a time to wear your colors proudly, wave your flag, put on that beautiful silver and black, and support your TEAM. Figure it out Spurs fan.

I love you Joe :flag::flag::flag::flag:

[Solid D]

It's bad news but the Spurs won't necessarily miss Manu's 45% shooting. He was ineffective the entire year.


Manu wasn't himself, no doubt, but his .454 FG% this season is the exact same pct. as his career FG% (.454).

[MaddSurf82]

ya got to believe bro

[SA210]

Then why play Parker? Why not just pick the guys that aren't going to be on the team next year and trot them out there. After all, it's not like the Suns are busting their fucking asses trying to get to the playoffs, even if they know they have little chance of advancing.

And I get called a spoiled fan by expecting good decisions from the coach... :bang

[fraga]

http://www.galeon.com/gibbo/Stephen.JPG

God tells me he can get me out of this mess...but
he's pretty sure...YOU'RE FUCKED!!!

[SA210]

Terrible news...

I'm very hurt to hear this, as I'm sure all Spurs fans are. It's a tough break, and it has left me very sad at the moment. For those who are blaming Manu... You all are pure trash.

I've got to say a couple things though...

1. FORGET ABOUT AN EXIT STRATEGY

I just want to see this team go balls to the wall and give it everything they've got going out guns blazing head held high. If we're going down, let's take whoever we can down with us.

2. FORGET ABOUT RESTING TIM

Of course this depends on whether or not he is healthy, but if Tim wants to play, then let him play. The days of watching Tim Duncan play are quickly fading away, and I for one want to take every advantage available to watch the greatest pf to ever lace them up. Also, Playoff Timmy is an absolute animal, and even if we don't win it all, let's not deprive the world of watching Tim potentially do something amazing (ex: the three in game 1 against the suns last year).

3. COME TOGETHER AND SUPPORT YOUR TEAM

If you are a Spurs fan, God bless you. Now there is a time for everything. Obviously, a time for complaining and criticism, but more importantly a time to wear your colors proudly, wave your flag, put on that beautiful silver and black, and support your TEAM. Figure it out Spurs fan.

:flag:

[Obstructed_View]

Manu wasn't himself, no doubt, but his .454 FG% this season is the exact same pct. as his career FG% (.454).

:lmao

It's like he looks this shit up before he posts it just to set himself up...

[MaddSurf82]

we need a leader with championship rings pop call up horry to run with us what ya got to loose bro lets do this

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

we need a leader with championship rings pop call up horry to run with us what ya got to loose bro lets do this


He wouldn't be able to play.....

[MI21]

Shit. What a fucked up bit of news to wake up to. Get through it Manu :tu

The only positive I can think of in my own mind is that it removes what was probably false hope the Spurs could win. I can now watch the playoffs without expectation, therefore the dissapointment won't be as devastating as usual. Still, it sucks watching knowing that the boys can't go all the way. Weird feeling as a Spur fan :(

But, I guess this season hasn't felt right from the very start. An NBA championship is won partly due to injury luck and this season, nothing has gone right for the Spurs.

Hopefully the Spurs can provide us with a memorable first round effort. The greatest PF of all time playing hurt, a prime All-Star PG and a ragtag group of young guys, old guys and guys nobody wanted, playing free without expectation.

Let's go Spurs.

[MaddSurf82]

everyone that is negitive now on, was never truley spurs fans to begin with take your negitive else where

[Obstructed_View]

He wouldn't be able to play.....

Why not? Bryon Russell was on ESPN today saying that he wants to play for someone in the playoffs.

[MaddSurf82]

well if he cant play at least be by our spurs players for support

[Oh, Gee!!]

everyone that is negitive now on, was never truley spurs fans to begin with take your negitive else where

who the fuck are you to tell any of us to leave? go fuck yourself. just because we're fans doesn't mean we're gonna lose all objectivity. manu being out is bad news and it will most likely mean an early exit for the spurs. what's the harm in expressing that opinion? do you really think that what we post here is going to have any bearing on the playoffs?

[Solid D]

:lmao

It's like he looks this s*** up before he posts it just to set himself up...

Yeah, it's actually better than Carmelo's, Joe Johnson's and Danny Grainger's and about the same as Paul Pierce's FG% (.455). He's a wing player. Oh well.

[Spursmania]

Finally the Pop coaching since the asg doesn't appear so bizarro...


Completely agree. They obviously knew they were testing the leg. maybe it was CIA Pop after all. It's hard for me to believe that the medical staff had no idea this could happen if they played him too soon.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Why not? Bryon Russell was on ESPN today saying that he wants to play for someone in the playoffs.

I'm pretty sure that he would have had to be signed by March 1st....

[Spursmania]

Shit. What a fucked up bit of news to wake up to. Get through it Manu :tu

The only positive I can think of in my own mind is that it removes what was probably false hope the Spurs could win. I can now watch the playoffs without expectation, therefore the dissapointment won't be as devastating as usual. Still, it sucks watching knowing that the boys can't go all the way. Weird feeling as a Spur fan :(

But, I guess this season hasn't felt right from the very start. An NBA championship is won partly due to injury luck and this season, nothing has gone right for the Spurs.

Hopefully the Spurs can provide us with a memorable first round effort. The greatest PF of all time playing hurt, a prime All-Star PG and a ragtag group of young guys, old guys and guys nobody wanted, playing free without expectation.



Let's go Spurs.


:tu

[Brazil]

Completely agree. They obviously knew they were testing the leg. maybe it was CIA Pop after all. It's hard for me to believe that the medical staff had no idea this could happen if they played him too soon.

They needed to play him before the POs !

timvp made a good post on that, I think he is right, Pop has coached the team in function of this eventuality !!

[Keepin' it real]

who the fuck are you to tell any of us to leave? go fuck yourself. just because we're fans doesn't mean we're gonna lose all objectivity. manu being out is bad news and it will most likely mean an early exit for the spurs. what's the harm in expressing that opinion? do you really think that what we post here is going to have any bearing on the playoffs?

+1

I'm sick of delusional fans criticizing realistic fans.

Dear "delusionals",

We all love the Spurs, but instead of sounding like foolishly optimistic twits, most of us are making the conscious choice of keepin' it real.

"... take your negitive else where" :rollin:rollin

[BeeGee]

Sorry about Manu, Spurs fans. I know ya'll are tired of dealing with the whole thing. Hang in there. Maybe shutting him down for the next 6 months will give the ankle time to actually heal. Tough break.

[baseline bum]

I'm pretty sure that he would have had to be signed by March 1st....

I think you can sign a player who hasn't played for any other NBA team in the current season up until the day before the playoffs start.

[Oh, Gee!!]

horry is not the answer

[MaddSurf82]

hey ogee i since anger ya need to work on that

[urunobili]

Props to all the Fans from the other teams showing support... thanks this is a tough one for us all :tu

[MaddSurf82]

he has alot of rings bro and experince you cant put a price on that bro

[Russ]

Two things would not completely surprise me:

That Manu may never play again (or may never play even close to the way he did before).

That Manu may be back for the second round.

[Brazil]

Sorry about Manu, Spurs fans. I know ya'll are tired of dealing with the whole thing. Hang in there. Maybe shutting him down for the next 6 months will give the ankle time to actually heal. Tough break.

:toast

[Oh, Gee!!]

he has alot of rings bro and experince you cant put a price on that bro

so does dennis rodman, let's bring him back. i bet he's in better shape than horry:lol

[SpursWench21]

Seriously, all you people talking shit about Manu are pieces of ungrateful shit. You dog on the guy for honoring his country by choosing to play the sport he loves on the WORLD stage, and now you come in here and say "I told you so!" after he gets hurt! Yeah, we get it, maybe not the best choice to play at the Olympics with a bad ankle, but come on, show a little respect. He has been such a HUGE part of our success it's not even funny. A season ending injury and youre calling for him to walk the plank...pathetic. Ill bet it WONT take 12-18 months for him to be healthy again, and ill BELIEVE that he will still give us a few productive years even after this injury. Go ahead and jump the Spurs ship now, but ill follow it AND Manu till the ends of the earth.....GO...SPURS...GO!:flag:

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Finley should get about 40-45 minutes a night now, including 15+ shots and the top defensive assignment.

:lol

[MaddSurf82]

rodman he is no leader he is a crack head crab infested dude should i say more

[baseline bum]

http://i44.tinypic.com/fp6nes.gif


:lmao

Awesome sig, Russ!

[Mal]

Tar Heels are blowing out Spartans, but I`m very sad, because of Manu.

That`s fucked up...

[BlackSwordsMan]

1st round KO!

[Manufan909]

Seriously, all you people talking shit about Manu are pieces of ungrateful shit. You dog on the guy for honoring his country by choosing to play the sport he loves on the WORLD stage, and now you come in here and say "I told you so!" after he gets hurt! Yeah, we get it, maybe not the best choice to play at the Olympics with a bad ankle, but come on, show a little respect. He has been such a HUGE part of our success it's not even funny. A season ending injury and youre calling for him to walk the plank...pathetic. Ill bet it WONT take 12-18 months for him to be healthy again, and ill BELIEVE that he will still give us a few productive years even after this injury. Go ahead and jump the Spurs ship now, but ill follow it AND Manu till the ends of the earth.....GO...SPURS...GO!:flag:

+1

My hope for the POs now is that Pop has Ian and Hairston on the roster, so if they are ever up 2 games in any series, play the rooks.

Since the active rotation is now:

TP/Hill/JV
Mason/Ime
Finley/Bowen
Tim/Gooden
Bonner/KT/Fab

Why not put in Ian and Hairston for Fab and Ime or JV(2 of them won't be back) and just let them play? I'm not saying give up, but old vets + The Big 2 won't work, maybe heavy minutes from Hairston, Hill, and Gooden would do something.

[ploto]

No it wasn't a fracture at first. It was a stress reaction that healed enough to be cleared by doctors to play. But obviously, it wasn't time yet :(

I can't hekp but wonder if those who appeared to be more cautious at the time turned out to be the more correct ones. I also wonder if anyone has ever said that his injury to his left ankle and that surgery in any way contributed to the injury in his right leg- like coming back too soon, favoring one leg...

[EricB]

Cool he'll be healthy to play for argentna this summer but not for the trleam he earns his living. Wouldn't shock me a bit.

[ElNono]

Cool he'll be healthy to play for argentna this summer but not for the trleam he earns his living. Wouldn't shock me a bit.

Bitter much? And FWIW, there are no Olympics or World Championships this summer... so you can sleep easy.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

It was stupid that he played in the Olympics. he was never healthy.

[Obstructed_View]

I can't hekp but wonder if those who appeared to be more cautious at the time turned out to be the more correct ones. I also wonder if anyone has ever said that his injury to his left ankle and that surgery in any way contributed to the injury in his right leg- like coming back too soon, favoring one leg...

I blame you for not posting a bravatar.

[DPG21920]

Question. If someone could "guarantee" that the Spurs could get to the WCF without Manu (meaning Tim and Tony still play), would you still want the Spurs to sit Duncan and "find and exit strategy"?

I know I would be pissed.

[duncan228]

From a Mavs beat writer.

Manu out for playoffs (http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/04/manu-out-for-playoffs.html)
David Moore

San Antonio's playoff hopes have taken a serious blow.

Manu Ginobili is out for the remainder of the regular season and the playoffs. A CT scan and MRI revealed Monday that the Spurs star suffers from an increased marrow edema and a stress fracture in his right distal fibula.

If you're a MFFL, I know what you're thinking. If only the Mavericks can move up a spot or two and face the Spurs in the first round...

Well, be careful what you wish for. San Antonio is still a champion, something the Mavericks or any other team they face in the first round is not. If you don't think Tim Duncan and Tony Parker are capable of leading San Antonio to a first round victory against whatever team they face, you haven't been paying attention.

Have the Spurs slim hopes of a title disappeared with Ginobili's injury? Yes. But that doesn't mean they will go quietly into the playoff night.

[timvp]

Question. If someone could "guarantee" that the Spurs could get to the WCF without Manu (meaning Tim and Tony still play), would you still want the Spurs to sit Duncan and "find and exit strategy"?

I know I would be pissed.The Lakers would probably have beaten the Spurs with a healthy Manu. Without Manu, there's no shot in hell.

If resting Duncan for these playoffs would make a difference in his health going forward, you have to seriously consider it. No use putting unneeded mileage on his body.

First round exit or WCF exit ... doesn't make a difference once you have four rings.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Wow. Sorry Spur fans. That's some crappy ass news. Hopefully this doesn't seriously hinder his career from here on out. I'm not buying any sort of career ending thoughts. I'm remaining positive that he'll be back next year for you looking like his old self.

With my Pistons imploding this year, I was looking forward to riding the Spurs coattails for the playoff run. Don't let me down! Parker can carry the team just fine. This just opens the door for someone like Gooden, Mason, Hill or Hairston to take on a bigger role than they were expecting.

Don't give up Spurs.

[E20]

My heart dropped to my stomach when I first saw this, then I realized it's just basketball we're talkign about here. So, fuck it, what more could you ask for? Hopefully it's not career ending, we have a decent run in the post-season and we come back strong next year.

[ElNono]

The Lakers would probably have beaten the Spurs with a healthy Manu. Without Manu, there's no shot in hell.

If resting Duncan for these playoffs would make a difference in his health going forward, you have to seriously consider it. No use putting unneeded mileage on his body.

First round exit or WCF exit ... doesn't make a difference once you have four rings.

I think Pop is probably on the phone with Timmy about this right now. But I'm also pretty sure TD doesn't want to hear any of it.

[EricB]

Go ahead and shut Duncan down and just hope for the best.

[timvp]

But I'm also pretty sure TD doesn't want to hear any of it.Exactly. TD is a warrior. Pop would have to kidnap him to keep him from playing out the season.

[EricB]

Bitter much? And FWIW, there are no Olympics or World Championships this summer... so you can sleep easy.


As a paying customer your damn right I'm bitter.

[timvp]

My heart dropped to my stomach when I first saw this, then I realized it's just basketball we're talkign about here. So, fuck it, what more could you ask for? Hopefully it's not career ending, we have a decent run in the post-season and we come back strong next year.

You have me on ignore.

[DPG21920]

The Lakers would probably have beaten the Spurs with a healthy Manu. Without Manu, there's no shot in hell.

If resting Duncan for these playoffs would make a difference in his health going forward, you have to seriously consider it. No use putting unneeded mileage on his body.

First round exit or WCF exit ... doesn't make a difference once you have four rings.

Not true imo. I don't buy into this self-imposed high standard that fans and media have set. You take things as they are. With the injuries all year and now, it would be a huge accomplishment to get to the WCF. No team wins it every year, does that mean they are failures? No.

Would we beat the Lakers with Manu, probably not. But all I know is if the Spurs can get to the WCF, they did not have Manu last year and at least Mason can help out some. They will not win, but as long as there are no long term injury repercussions to Tim (meaning it would not matter if he played the playoffs given the time he would have off during the offseason) then you go hard. Because it is an accomplishment to get to the WCF back-to-back and plus you get guys experience (Mason, Hill, Bonner...).

[ElNono]

As a paying customer your damn right I'm bitter.

I'm a paying customer too. Injuries happen. Get over it. :toast

[E20]

You have me on ignore.

A little too slow there. LOL I caught my mistake.

[reddog 99]

people want titles and when the same player blows it against dallas with his stupid foul
then gets hurt against the lakers
and now gets hurt this year
3 years in the row he blows it
IT GETS OLD

Would you please take your bullshit somewhere else.

We know our Spurs history. Your a frickin vulture.

ESAD!!!:blah

[EricB]

I'm a paying customer too. Injuries happen. Get over it. :toast



Bullshit.

[EricB]

Not true imo. I don't buy into this self-imposed high standard that fans and media have set. You take things as they are. With the injuries all year and now, it would be a huge accomplishment to get to the WCF. No team wins it every year, does that mean they are failures? No.

Would we beat the Lakers with Manu, probably not. But all I know is if the Spurs can get to the WCF, they did not have Manu last year and at least Mason can help out some. They will not win, but as long as there are no long term injury repercussions to Tim (meaning it would not matter if he played the playoffs given the time he would have off during the offseason) then you go hard. Because it is an accomplishment to get to the WCF back-to-back and plus you get guys experience (Mason, Hill, Bonner...).



Rings or bust at this point in duncans career.

Year would be a bust.

[ElNono]

Bullshit.

Definitely not bullshit. We were riddled with injuries in 1999-2000. Duncan had planar fasciitis pretty much throughout 2005-2006.This year it was Manu's turn. It just happens. I would say we were pretty lucky in being healthy considering the amount of veterans we played.

[spurschick]

Cool he'll be healthy to play for argentna this summer but not for the trleam he earns his living. Wouldn't shock me a bit.

I'm pretty sure he and Oberto retired from the national team. Didn't he say that this past summer was to be his last competition with them?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

people want titles and when the same player blows it against dallas with his stupid foul
then gets hurt against the lakers
and now gets hurt this year
3 years in the row he blows it
IT GETS OLD

You're a dick.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well the injury is a fracture now, not a stress reaction. So that's already indicative that it's much worse than before. I just hope that swelling of the marrow isn't another problem that is going to be ongoing into next year.

Sorry I'm a little late to the party...

Admittedly it's been a while since my knee surgery, but the swollen edema part for the most part is just an indicator of trauma (i.e., the fracture), however depending on what they find it could be an indicator for osteoarthritis in his future.

[DPG21920]

Rings or bust at this point in duncans career.

Year would be a bust.

Bullshit my friend. So Duncan is supposed to win a title every year or else it is a failure?

[timvp]

Not true imo. I don't buy into this self-imposed high standard that fans and media have set. You take things as they are. With the injuries all year and now, it would be a huge accomplishment to get to the WCF. No team wins it every year, does that mean they are failures? No.

Would we beat the Lakers with Manu, probably not. But all I know is if the Spurs can get to the WCF, they did not have Manu last year and at least Mason can help out some. They will not win, but as long as there are no long term injury repercussions to Tim (meaning it would not matter if he played the playoffs given the time he would have off during the offseason) then you go hard. Because it is an accomplishment to get to the WCF back-to-back and plus you get guys experience (Mason, Hill, Bonner...).

Maybe others agree with you but I really don't care what happens outside of a championship. Winning Game 7 on the road last year against the Hornets was a great accomplishment and all ... but at the end of the day all that will be remembered is the Lakers beat the Spurs.

I could see the logic in going all out the rest of the way as long as Duncan's future health isn't in jeopardy. Risking any Duncan injury isn't worth 1,000 moral victories ... much less 8.

[spurschick]

And I have to say, this is one nasty can of SPAM.:vomit::cry

[ElNono]

Nobody remembers number 2. It's championship or nada, amigo.

[Spur-Addict]

Anybody but L.A.........nuff said

[DPG21920]

Maybe others agree with you but I really don't care what happens outside of a championship. Winning Game 7 on the road last year against the Hornets was a great accomplishment and all ... but at the end of the day all that will be remembered is the Spurs beat the Lakers.

I could see the logic in going all out the rest of the way as long as Duncan's future health isn't in jeopardy. Risking any Duncan injury isn't worth 1,000 moral victories ... much less 8.

I prefaced my statements with Tim's health. If he is healthy and there is no worsening, then you play hard. I can see why you feel the way you do about championships, I feel the same with regards to expectations (meaning we should always be in contention). But I do not believe every year you don't win it all is a failure. Name me one team in any sport no matter how good they are that wins every year.

[MiamiHeat]

so,

anyone upset at Manu for the olympics?

[Kori Ellis]

I prefaced my statements with Tim's health. If he is healthy and there is no worsening, then you play hard. I can see why you feel the way you do about championships, I feel the same with regards to expectations (meaning we should always be in contention). But I do not believe every year you don't win it all is a failure. Name me one team in any sport no matter how good they are that wins every year.

This is how I feel about it. If Tim isn't going to damage himself for next season by playing this season, then the Spurs have to let him play and keep fighting. I know they won't win a title without Manu but I'd like to see them get to round two.

[ElNono]

so,

anyone upset at Manu for the olympics?

You came kinda late to troll...

[MiamiHeat]

troll?

I wish the Spurs won the WCF, i still wish they do

[ElNono]

troll?

I wish the Spurs won the WCF, i still wish they do

Then why bring the olympics, considering this is another injury altogether?

[MiamiHeat]

Manu should have been resting, that why.

make everything worse.

[timvp]

Man, this is just a weird ending to the story of the 2008-09 Spurs season. At least with TD in 2000, Spurs fans were hopeful each game that it could be Duncan's return. When's the last time the Spurs saw their season end during the regular season?

[DPG21920]

It is devastating. But I honestly feel they can win in the first round, then be at least competitive in the 2nd. I would be happy with that. I would be thrilled beyond all expectations if they somehow made it to the WCF. I just want a shot at the Lakers no matter what.

[ElNono]

Manu should have been resting, that why.

make everything worse.

I guess this thread was not enough.
You obviously have your mind set, even though you have zero evidence to support what you said. So, you go ahead and think whatever you want.

[angel_luv]

I just saw the news coverage- such sad and disappointing news!

I can only imagine how hard MG is taking this setback. I feel for him and Spurs team who will greatly miss him.

But more important than any play off run, is the guys' health.
I am glad they caught this in Manu before he endured some serious injury as a result.

Get well MG. Go Spurs Go!

:)

[ducks]

Cool he'll be healthy to play for argentna this summer but not for the trleam he earns his living. Wouldn't shock me a bit.

someone posted 12-18 months not summer

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Man, this is just a weird ending to the story of the 2008-09 Spurs season. At least with TD in 2000, Spurs fans were hopeful each game that it could be Duncan's return. When's the last time the Spurs saw their season end during the regular season?

Just as long as Pop's idea of going down with a fight doesn't involve heavy minutes for Oberto, Finley, and Vaughn.

I don't care who we play, I want to see guys like Mason, Hill, Hairston, etc. getting extensive run.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

so,

anyone upset at Manu for the olympics?

No. I have been Manu's fan from before he even played with Spurs. I have been his fan since he was in Italy. And I was always liking Spurs in NBA and when he came to them I was wanting to follow Spurs. Even as I watched Duncan and Popovich more I can only respect them and Spurs became a favorite team for me in NBA.

And I understand why Manu wanted to play in Olympics for Argentina. So I am not made for what he has done and given as a player. But still he should have never play in those Olympics. Never was he healthy. Believe me I know this because I was watching Argentina-Greece game very close. And Manu was hurt during this game. I am not sure but I think it was Vasilopoulos that he hurt his ankle on.

It was at very end of game and did not bother him because he was still warm but after game it hurt him. This was bad sign after he try come back early from ankle injury before to play in Olimpia.

And then as I know this injury well from playing. This is injury that he have no is caused by the player over using his certain part of leg. This is exact injury is cause by playing too much when you are injured. It is like pounding your hand into basketball court when your finger is swollen. It may break.

At Manu's age this is very bad sign. Almost impossible he will ever be same as he was before. So very last time real Manu will have ever play was in Greece Argentina game. And he help beat us once again :rolleyes

Anyway I am not mad at him but for his own career it was very stupid thing. He should have never. Argentina is official out of top teams along with Spurs.

[Avitus1]

Well that sucks.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Then why bring the olympics, considering this is another injury altogether?

You are wrong. I assure you the injury he get in Olympics has relation to this.

[ElNono]

You are wrong. I assure you the injury he get in Olympics has relation to this.

You *could* argue it's overcompensation. But there's no actual medical proof that it was. As far as we know, his left ankle healed just fine after surgery, and he just had this stress thing going in his right one. There's no actual proof there's any correlation between the two.
And why guess? We'll know sooner or later which was it.

[z0sa]

Just as long as Pop's idea of going down with a fight doesn't involve heavy minutes for Oberto, Finley, and Vaughn.

I don't care who we play, I want to see guys like Mason, Hill, Hairston, etc. getting extensive run.

Heavy minutes for Finley is going to happen. Oberto, when contributing, can be an asset. Let's just hope Vaughn's burn is minimal...let's just hope its Hill and not Mason playing the majority of the minutes at backup PG.

[smrattler]

The..... end.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You *could* argue it's overcompensation. But there's no actual medical proof that it was. As far as we know, his left ankle healed just fine after surgery, and he just had this stress thing going in his right one. There's no actual proof there's any correlation between the two.
And why guess? We'll know sooner or later which was it.

Yes there is. When I was in playing or coaching this is very common injury. The way you know for sure is that it is other leg. I see many posts here make fun of people because it is other leg and say it is different injury. But this is wrong this is exact way this injury works. It will be OTHER LEG because it is over use of the good leg pounding into wood court on concrete that causes this.

And it is simple thing from over use. So the way this is to be prevented is to not play after such injuries or surgeries. Which would mean not play in Olympics. Then he got another injury in Greece game and this is all. By playing again after this to come back to Spurs season he was hurting OTHER LEG with overuse. This is exact how this happens. It is very common thing with players.

If he would have sat all summer this would not have happened. I am not mad at Manu I am always his fan forever. It was just stupid thing he did. But I understand why he wants to play for his country.

[peskypesky]

Manu was a complete ass for playing in the Olympics. That's my opinion. He was hobbled in the playoffs against the Lakers last year and that pretty much cost us the chance to really compete.

Then, instead of taking the summer off to heal, he goes and plays in the Olympics and guess what, gets injured again. As anyone with a brain knows, when you're injured, you significantly raise the probability of further injury. If you hurt your left knee and play on it, you raise the chance of hurting that knee AND/OR the right knee. Same with ankles.

If he'd been healthy in the playoffs, and healthy going into the Olympics, I still wouldn't have been thrilled, because of his age and style of play. And also because the dude already had a Gold Medal.

So, you know, I've loved Manu a lot of the time, and he helped us get some Championships, but the truth of the matter is he's possibly cost us several more.

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm piling on, but I'm just really disappointed and really pissed.

[ducks]

The..... end.

end of what
being a spur fan?
I THINK NOT

[Solid D]

http://blog.nj.com/gloucester/2007%20YMCA%20Championship%20Team.jpg

Yes there is. When I was in playing or coaching this is very common injury.