Who goes and who stays?

[spurspokesman]

After watching:rolleyes the travesty that was our team tonight I just think of the hell of having this roster another season. So I figured I'd ask you knowledgable spurs fan who you think will go or stay after this season?

[Chieflion]

Rebuild the entire team.

[mexicanjunior]

Vaughn, Udoka, and Finley should be gone. Bowen and KT should probably retire eventhough they may be good 2nd to 3rd unit guys. The only people with any security should be Parker and Duncan.

[Ditty]

Vaughn, Udoka, and Finley should be gone. Bowen and KT should probably retire eventhough they may be good 2nd to 3rd unit guys. The only people with any security should be Parker and Duncan.

parker
ginobili
duncan
thomas
hill
mihimmi
bring back hairston
gist
mason
bonner but not starting just for his outside shooting
bowen let him retire a spur
mabe m.williams

[HarlemHeat37]

Vaughn, Oberto, and Udoka are expiring contracts or non-guaranteed in Fab's case..I'd expect them all to be gone..

Bowen is non-guaranteed as well..I think his status will depend on how he looks for the playoffs, but it's a toss-up..

[HarlemHeat37]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

LOL one of the stupidest posts of all-time..

if Duncan got traded, Tony Parker would instantly demand for a trade..

[Ditty]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

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[spurs1990]

I agree. Get rid of everyone of these players.

Youth movement 2009!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

TP/Hill/?
Mason/Manu/Hairston
?/Finley/Gist
Duncan/Gooden/Bonner
KT/Mahinmi/?

I'd rather Finley retires, but he'll be back, so I hope it's off the bench. We badly need an athletic penetrator on the wing (could Hairston develop into that role? From the little I've seen, maybe), otherwise I like the youth movement - develop Hill as a backup PG/combo guy, Gist as a stopper, Mahinmi will be the athletic big we need (I'm confident of that).

Time to move JV to the coaching staff, jettison Udoka, retire* Bowen (since Pop has obviously lost confidence in him), trade Bonner/Finley/Oberto (cap relief in 2010) for a young athlete if you can.

*he's got a 4mil contract, but I'd hate to see him traded... it would just feel wrong. he was as much a part of the last 3 championships as TD/TP/Manu, as is painfully obvious no that he's not out there.

[SPURS21]

Untouchable:

Tony Parker - definitely in his prime. Is a top 10-15 NBA player and a top 3 PG

Duncan - for obvious reasons

For the right offer (ie. youth, length and athleticism) I'd part with:

Manu - He likely has more value as a Spur than what he will bring back in return.

Mason - He was a great pick up but his defense is sub par. I'm indifferent
with regards to him

Hill - Has definite upside but will likely never reach that potential under Popovich

Keep in a reduced role:

Bowen - still a sound defender

Thomas -see Bowen

Finley - can be effective in spot minutes IMO

Players I never want to see in a Spurs uniform again:

Gooden - he will never be able to play Spurs defense

Udoka - he's just terrible and never developed into the Bowen replacement we anticipated

Oberto - old, basically a non factor at this point

Bonner - soft, I cringe seeing him start beside Duncan. Would be a decent role player as a 9th-12th man on the bench.

Vaughn - Yes he is a great guy to have on the bench and in the locker room, but as long as he is on that bench Pop will be tempted to play him.

[Keepin' it real]

Hmmm, I asked this question recently and the thread was locked. I hope this one stays open because it's worth speculating.

First, we need Tim.
Second, we need Manu.
Third, we need a solid shot blocking, consistent rebounder at C. (I'd much rather have that than a slasher 2 guard.)
We should get rid of most of the old vets (Ime, Vaughn, Oberto, Finley, Bowen)
I'm not sure about Bonner's situation, but if he'll be viewed as a vital contributor, then we'll lose, so he's expendable.

The key for the Spurs' long-term success is to trade Tony Parker. Talk about fool's gold. He almost always fades in the 2nd half, and tonight was no exception. A promising first half (13 points) followed by a predictable let down (4 pts in 2nd half.)

However, he's the closest thing to a "marketable star" that the Spurs have, and he has good stats, so I could see other teams giving us at least market value, if not more, in return. I wouldn't like seeing him in anything other than a Spurs uni, but if he did go to another team, at least we could defend 5 on 4 down the stretch, which would help the Spurs.

[anonoftheinternets]

After watching:rolleyes the travesty that was our team tonight I just think of the hell of having this roster another season. So I figured I'd ask you knowledgable spurs fan who you think will go or stay after this season?

bandwagoners go, true fans stay.

[Manudona]

I think the medical staff should be let go. I am still trying to figure out how Manu got a stress fracture when he was cleared to play after being treated from stress reaction to the same bone for almost a month.

Well, it might be my dissapointment talking...

[Baseline]

Keep Parker and Duncan -- everybody else is expendable. That includes Popovich.

Pop is incapable of coaching or handling younger players. The only guys he has supposedly "done well" with are Duncan and Parker, but I think we all know how talented they are. they have thrived in spite of Popovich, not because of him.

There isn't another young player Pop has actually nurtured along. He alienates young guys with his dictatorial manner, and his inflexibility is getting us nowhere. His "system" is overrated. I'm sick of seeing his face, and sick of his "I'm a genius" attitude.

He is by no means a genius. Duncan is a first-ballot Hall of Fame big man. Ginobili might get there as well, and Parker is well on his way. We all know that Robinson is already there. So...Fact: There are a thousand coaches who could win rings with those players.

Popovich is nothing without great players, and right now we only have one great player who is healthy.

[HarlemHeat37]

trading Tony Parker would be one of the worst moves in NBA history..

there's 3 ways this off-season can go..use the MLE and rely on the young guys, or use the MLE, trade Manu, and rely on the young guys..or possibly just stay cheap and keep a similar roster..it can really go either way, although Manu being traded would be strange..there's also the possibility of packing our expiring contracts next year to a team that wants the cap space..so Thomas/Bonner/Mason to give another team cap space..

candidates to sign if we only want 1 player IMO: 'Sheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Drew Gooden..

we can go a different path, and sign multiple lesser known players, but I wouldn't prefer that..

Parker/Hill is guaranteed at PG..

Manu/Mason is questionable at SG..both guys have a chance of being traded, it can go both ways..

Finley is the only guarantee at SF, since Pop likes seeing his ass in shorts..??? for the depth..hopefully Gist comes over, and hopefully Hairston gets a shot..otherwise, maybe somebody like Rodney Carney or Matt Barnes..otherwise, we'll have to acquire a SF through a trade, which is possible as well..

for our big men..

Duncan is obviously a lock..everything else is questionable..Ian will depend on how he looks in the summer, Kurt and Bonner could be packaged in a trade..the MLE could very well be used on Gooden, Wallace, or Dice..

it should be an interesting off-season..our young guys are good options for potential role players..and the contracts of Manu/Thomas/Mason/Bonner give us flexibility to make trades with teams looking to shed cap space..

it will also depend on ownership of course..

[Death In June]

Ginobli, Parker, Duncan, Gooden, Mason, Hill should stay. Finely, KT, and Bowen should retire. Udoka, Vaughn, and Bonner need to go. We should pickup Artest, Sheed, and draft an athletic wing. And as much as I would like Pop to fuck off right now, that's not a realistic request.

[Death In June]

You need a good perimeter defender, and a SF to replace Bowen. You can afford them both. The spurs were about to take on Vince Carter's 20 million dollar contract. Both can be had for ten million a piece.

[Creation88]

stay:
Tony Parker
Duncan
Manu
Mason
Hill
Gooden
Bowen

Keep in a reduced role:
Thomas

keep in a reduced role but would not cry if he left:
Bonner
Oberto

Players I never want to see in a Spurs uniform again:
Finley- washed up and shouldn't have been on this team this year
Udoka
Vaughn

[stxspurs]

Re: Who goes and who stays?

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stay:
Tony Parker
Duncan
Mason
Hill
Gooden


Keep in a reduced role:
manu-who knows how long his ankles will hold up. hopefully he will be fine
bowen

keep in a reduced role but would not cry if he left:
Bonner
Oberto
thomas

Players I never want to see in a Spurs uniform again:
Finley- washed up and shouldn't have been on this team this year
Udoka
Vaughn


we need to make a splash in the offseason!!!!!

[Creation88]

i don't understand the animosity for Gooden, he's done everything we wanted from him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

seriously manu has to go

im tired of his bs injuries and where his loyalty is in the summer international duties....spurs or country, take your pick.

[holcs50]

yea people saying we shouldnt keep gooden, what are you thinking exactly? We finally land a big guy who can actually SCORE! hes not old as dirt, athletic and with time he will be able to play D in the system. My list you keep

TP
Hill (if pops dumbass will play him)
TD
Finley (i know people hate but he will be here if he wants to play another year-i have no problem with him playing 10-20 mpg)
Manu (Gotta see how he plays next season)
Mason (possibly trade bait for someone who can put the ball on the floor)
Bowen (if he doesnt retire can play low mpg as a stopper
Gooden

GTFOOOOOOOO!!!
vaughn (i hate this guy cuz hes so bad)
Bonner (Umm)
Udoka (Poop)
Thomas (sorry he is old and poo, dont get anyone who defends this guy)
Oberto (duh)

[SouthTexasRancher]

Keep:

Parker
Duncan (but limit his minutes)
Manu (but limit his minutes as well...back to 6th man from here on out)
Gooden
Mason
Hill

No longer needed...trade, retire or ???

Thomas
Oberto
Finley
Bowen
Vaughn
Bonner
Udoka

Give Hairston, Gist, and the other young guns a nice long look-see. Ian Mahimi stays if healthy and if not then forget about his ALWAYS injured ass. We already have a hospital emergency room squad. Try to get Pops back from Toronto (Pop screwed up letting his talent get away but, Pop has done that a lot the past 2-3 years...Pop is getting old & senile)

This years Spurs team is by far the worst team in the Duncan era. We need a makeover going for athleticism, length, height, quickness, and basketball IQ, i.e., players from schools with great basketball programs like North Carolina, UConn, Duke, Kansas, Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

[spurs1990]

Udoka is gone
JV gone
Oberto-trade or cut
Bowen-trade or cut
Fin- like it or not he stays
KT- Traded or keep
Bonner- I would like to say trade but Pops loves his ass
Hill- If a deal come along hes gone
Mase- We will keep
Manu-we keep
Gooden- I would love to resign but Pops has crap for brains

How's this shitty roster Pop's fault? He gave up the GM position to RC years ago, and even then the franchise is hampered by frugal ownership (see Scola trade or trading every 1st round pick since forever).

Ok, so I'll keep the following players in descending order of importance.

1) Duncan (face of franchise. Permanent spot until 2012)
2) Parker (all-star and only 27)

The rest are up for grabs if the right offer comes around, but we'll probably keep:
3) Ginobili (hard to trade, unpopular to trade)
4) Mason (solid production for the salary cap #; right side of 30)
5) Finley (consummate pro; can produce until proven otherwise)
6) Hill (Team won't admit blowing another first round pick on a PG...so soon)
7) Gooden (should be given chance after full training camp

Ok, the rest need to be unloaded.

[SenorSpur]

There should be no less than 3 open roster spots for next season. Possibly four. If it were up to me, Vaughn, Oberto, Bowen and Udoka would be gone. With Finley and KT getting one last year.

As far as who stays, Parker, Tim, Manu, Mason, Hill, Ian, Bonner, and Gist get roster spots. Williams and Hairston compete for a spot, though I would save 2 open spots for them just the same. I'd resign Gooden to a very reasonable contract, then fill in the gaps via free agency. First, I'd make a run at either Trevor Ariza or Luc Richard Bah' Amoute, SF from the Bucks, as replacement SFs.

[dbreiden83080]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

4 posts in and you need to be banned. Duncan is never getting traded and buiding around Tony will never mean a title. He's a good player, he's never going to be an all time great, leading teams to titles..

[rayray2k8]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

You shouldn't even bother posting here anymore after making that comment.
Oh, and change your avatar you stupid bastard. :rolleyes
21 will retire a spur.

[dbreiden83080]

You shouldn't even bother posting here anymore after making that comment.
Oh, and change your avatar you stupid bastard. :rolleyes
21 will retire a spur.

+1

Short of Timmy turning on MGT and calling them out in public, Timmy is never going anywhere....

[SouthTexasRancher]

Hill (if pops dumbass will play him)

Pop won't play Hill because Pop still has a man-crush on Finley and Vaughn.

[Jace]

The only two who cannot be traded are Duncan or Parker..but I think trading Duncan might be acceptable. If the Spurs FO decide that they won't be able to rebuild into a title contender for a few years then I'd prefer they trade Tim to a good team, get good value for him and give him a chance to get a few more rings.

[loveforthegame]

Vaughn, Udoka, and Oberto should not be back for any reason.

Bonner, Thomas, and Bowen need to be upgraded if possible.

Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, Finley, Hill, Mason are staying.

Gooden and Mahinmi are the only real question marks.

[SouthTexasRancher]

The only two who cannot be traded are Duncan or Parker..but I think trading Duncan might be acceptable. If the Spurs FO decide that they won't be able to rebuild into a title contender for a few years then I'd prefer they trade Tim to a good team, get good value for him and give him a chance to get a few more rings.


Say what??? Tim retires a Spur...no if's, and's or but's!!!

[sammy]

Keep:

Timmy
Manu
Parker
Gooden
Mason
Hill
Bowen

Limited Role:
KT (or retire)
Udoka

Get Rid of:
Finley
Bonner
Oberto (Retire)
Vaughn

Need to get a big to help Duncan as well as a backup PG if Pop is not going to utilise Hill. We definitely need someone to help the big three! So much on their shoulders and no help at all! Maybe we can get Rasheed in the off season, we will see!

[Texas_Ranger]

Duncan
Wallace
Finley - if he's back, he'll be starting...lets just hope he'll not play for 30 minutes
Mason
Parker

Gooden
Mahinmi
Thomas
Gist
Bowen
Ginobili
Hill

Bonner
Udoka
draft pick

Goodbye to Vaughn and Oberto

[superbigtime]

Untouchable:

Tony Parker - definitely in his prime. Is a top 10-15 NBA player and a top 3 PG

Duncan - for obvious reasons

For the right offer (ie. youth, length and athleticism) I'd part with:

Manu - He likely has more value as a Spur than what he will bring back in return.

Mason - He was a great pick up but his defense is sub par. I'm indifferent
with regards to him

Hill - Has definite upside but will likely never reach that potential under Popovich

Keep in a reduced role:

Bowen - still a sound defender

Thomas -see Bowen

Finley - can be effective in spot minutes IMO

Players I never want to see in a Spurs uniform again:

Gooden - he will never be able to play Spurs defense

Udoka - he's just terrible and never developed into the Bowen replacement we anticipated

Oberto - old, basically a non factor at this point

Bonner - soft, I cringe seeing him start beside Duncan. Would be a decent role player as a 9th-12th man on the bench.

Vaughn - Yes he is a great guy to have on the bench and in the locker room, but as long as he is on that bench Pop will be tempted to play him.

Mason and Hill have lost a ton of trade value since mid season when they were much more coveted. Mason's defense and poor ball handling abilities as backup PG have been exposed and GH has nowhere near the aura he had the first two months of the season. And bonner also had the highest trade value he ever will half this midseason. If Gooden can be had on the cheap, he should be signed IMO.

[TheSpursFNRule]

There should be no less than 3 open roster spots for next season. Possibly four. If it were up to me, Vaughn, Oberto, Bowen and Udoka would be gone. With Finley and KT getting one last year.

As far as who stays, Parker, Tim, Manu, Mason, Hill, Ian, Bonner, and Gist get roster spots. Williams and Hairston compete for a spot, though I would save 2 open spots for them just the same. I'd resign Gooden to a very reasonable contract, then fill in the gaps via free agency. First, I'd make a run at either Trevor Ariza or Luc Richard Bah' Amoute, SF from the Bucks, as replacement SFs.

I agree with most everything you say and I find you a knowledgeable source on this board. Do you feel that the spurs could sign Rasheed Wallace this off-season? I ask because you didn't mention his name. I agree Ariza would be a good fit but LA will clock block it. And the guy from the bucks wouldn't be enough. If we could Keep Manu and get Sheed it would be perfect. Than maybe get lucky and get Matt Barnes. But do you feel Sheed has a legit chance of going to the Spurs?

[dbreiden83080]

The only two who cannot be traded are Duncan or Parker..but I think trading Duncan might be acceptable. If the Spurs FO decide that they won't be able to rebuild into a title contender for a few years then I'd prefer they trade Tim to a good team, get good value for him and give him a chance to get a few more rings.

What are you going to get for Duncan that equals what he brings when he is healthy?? The Bottom line is, nobody is guaranteed a title in this league, all you can ask for is to be in the mix for one. If Duncan is somewhat healthy, Tony does his thing, Manu can be remotely what he was in the past, add a few pieces, Spurs will have a shot to win it all next year. Duncan is almost 33 not 43, and he will retire a Spur, barring something insane happening..

[phxspurfan]

Please ship Udoka, let Finley retire, let Oberto walk, and sign Gooden or Sheed. Develop Hill and Hairston (if he's still signable later) and call it a summer.

[timtonymanu]

Untouchable:
Tim - he's gonna retire a Spur just like D-Rob.
Tony - He's only going to get better
Manu - he's still valuable even if his injured
Mason - we need his scoring for the future.
Hill - hopefully Pop develops him more next year
Gooden - a great pickup for the Spurs.
Thomas and Bowen - both are old, but still are very valuable to the Spurs

Can go:
Bonner - i hope he goes. i dont care if he can shoot 3's, he's a liability alot of times.
Vaughn - useless to the team... just become an assistant coach
Udoka - hasnt done alot this year.
Wiliams - i rather see Hairston over him.

Maybe:
Mahinmi - im more towards him staying cause he's special.
Finley - i only want him to leave to get rid of Pop's mancrush, but he's been valuable this year.
Oberto - he's great for our team, but i dont know if his health is good.

Bring back Hairston, sign Gist, try to land Ariza and we're good.

[man on wire]

talking about trades before your team enters the playoffs is beyond lame.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm going to respond to some posts in this thread later when I'm sober... :drunk :smokin

...but why so many people saying KT in a reduced role? KT has been our second best player since the ASB. He's great next to Tim, a poor-man's Horry without the 3 (although his mid and long 2s are falling nicely most of the time). I think he should play 20-24mins a game, as long as it doesn't wear him down.

[Josepatches_]

trading Tony Parker would be one of the worst moves in NBA history..



All depend who you can get for him

Not a bad move if we can get Dwight Howard for him :toast

But with Tp or without him we need a young big man to built around him our future so going to the draft or to make big trades are the only ways to get one.

[Purple & Gold]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker

:lol @ people not getting this one

[Purple & Gold]

Everybody but Parker and Duncan should be out. Maybe keep Mason or Hill depends what u can get for them.

[crc21209]

Keep: TD, TP, Manu, Mason, Hill, Gooden, Thomas (1 more yr), and Bowen (depending on how he does.)

Gone: Vaughn, Udoka, Oberto, Bonner, and Fin.

Bring em to Training Camp, see how they do: Hairston, Mahinmi, Williams, and Gist.

[TheSpursFNRule]

trading Tony Parker would be one of the worst moves in NBA history..

there's 3 ways this off-season can go..use the MLE and rely on the young guys, or use the MLE, trade Manu, and rely on the young guys..or possibly just stay cheap and keep a similar roster..it can really go either way, although Manu being traded would be strange..there's also the possibility of packing our expiring contracts next year to a team that wants the cap space..so Thomas/Bonner/Mason to give another team cap space..

candidates to sign if we only want 1 player IMO: 'Sheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess, Drew Gooden..

we can go a different path, and sign multiple lesser known players, but I wouldn't prefer that..

Parker/Hill is guaranteed at PG..

Manu/Mason is questionable at SG..both guys have a chance of being traded, it can go both ways..

Finley is the only guarantee at SF, since Pop likes seeing his ass in shorts..??? for the depth..hopefully Gist comes over, and hopefully Hairston gets a shot..otherwise, maybe somebody like Rodney Carney or Matt Barnes..otherwise, we'll have to acquire a SF through a trade, which is possible as well..

for our big men..

Duncan is obviously a lock..everything else is questionable..Ian will depend on how he looks in the summer, Kurt and Bonner could be packaged in a trade..the MLE could very well be used on Gooden, Wallace, or Dice..

it should be an interesting off-season..our young guys are good options for potential role players..and the contracts of Manu/Thomas/Mason/Bonner give us flexibility to make trades with teams looking to shed cap space..

it will also depend on ownership of course..

This is a very good post. I hope they go the route of using the MLE on Sheed or Dice, both have some left in the tank and would run shit with TD especially Sheed. The Spurs lack of a wing player could be solved with either Malik Hairston, our 2nd round draft pick(maybe a guy like Wayne Ellington falls back?) or just keep it with Finley ugh. Either way the MLE should be used on Sheed. He wants to play with us and I would have no problem letting Gooden loose.

[crc21209]

This is a very good post. I hope they go the route of using the MLE on Sheed or Dice, both have some left in the tank and would run shit with TD especially Sheed. The Spurs lack of a wing player could be solved with either Malik Hairston, our 2nd round draft pick(maybe a guy like Wayne Ellington falls back?) or just keep it with Finley ugh. Either way the MLE should be used on Sheed. He wants to play with us and I would have no problem letting Gooden loose.


A front-line next year of TD, Thomas, Gooden and either Dice or Sheed would look pretty damn good. Bye bye Bonner! :lol

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Players who need to go:

Finley - He doesn't give our team any edge. He's just a safety blanket for Pop, and our offense is predictable and routine with this guy.
KT - old, slow, he is the epitome of the current spurs, not athletic and too slow to operate a dynamic defense. Our ability to double team is ineffective because we can't switch if our life depended on it.
Vaughn - Vaughn
Oberto - stick a fork in him
Bonner - he is not a killer. There are other 3 pt specialists we can get/develop to replace him.
Udoka - he is what 35?? or something. No way is he Bowen's apprentice. I wish we kept Hairston


The rest stay. I'm tired of this geriatric nonsense.

[Agloco]

After watching:rolleyes the travesty that was our team tonight I just think of the hell of having this roster another season. So I figured I'd ask you knowledgable spurs fan who you think will go or stay after this season?

Vaughn - OUT
Udoka - OUT
Bowen - OUT
Oberto - OUT
Finley - OUT
Thomas - IN
Gooden - IN as long as we can't land Sheed or Camby.
Bonner - IN but off the bench in spot duty.


Get a good veteran backup PG and let Hill split time with him. Move Mason EXCLUSIVELY to SG. Hope Timmy and Manu come back healthy, and hope TP isn't burned out after this season.

[45 bank shot]

shoulda kind rid of Vaughn Udoka Oberto Finley and Probably KT

[Southwest Texas Fan]

The only two who cannot be traded are Duncan or Parker..but I think trading Duncan might be acceptable. If the Spurs FO decide that they won't be able to rebuild into a title contender for a few years then I'd prefer they trade Tim to a good team, get good value for him and give him a chance to get a few more rings.


?

[poop]

keep only tim and tony.

the rest are expendable now, including 'el liability' Manu (RIP)

[pad300]

My best guess, from Real GM

All right, next season. Let's group the players a bit (note that some people appear in more than 1 category)
1) Guaranteed Keepers (IMO)
Bigs - Duncan, Mahinmi
Wings - Hairston (yes, I think the Williams signing is the spurs playing games to stop Williams from being signed by someone else, whilst keeping Hairston as well)
PG - Parker, Hill
1.5) Only for a STRONG OFFER (We might shop some of these guys...One in particular)
Bigs - KT
Wings - Manu, Mason. Bowen
2) Trade Bait (happily move these guys as filler)
Bigs - Bonner, Oberto
Wings - Finley (I understand his no-trade will expire effetively after this season...)
3) Gone
Bigs - Gooden (I suspect he will get a decent offer, approaching the MLE, and we will be unwilling to spend that much for him), Oberto (if he is not traded for someone, his contract will almost assuredly be bought out for the savings and the roster spot)
Wings - Udoka (No upside, hasn't been good enough, need the roster spot...) Bowen (Similar to Oberto, if not traded, he will almost certainly be bought out for savings. I think he might be a strong candidate to bring back on a vet min after a buyout...)
PG - Vaughn

There are key issues 1) Big trade possibilities. Bowen and Oberto's partial guarantees make them potentially strong trade values in the current economic climate. At least one trade board suggestion has included Butler for Oberto and Bowen, just for the cap relief... (not saying that'd happen, but that is the kind of scale I am talking). Also, Manu is in the mix, see next. 2) Manu.1 HUGE ISSUE. When healthy, he's a massive difference maker. His injuries have scuttled championship shots in the last 2 years. No player, however talented, can win games in a suit on the sidelines...And he's taking up 10 million of our usable capspace. The big question is, does he feel enough (loyalty? guilt? championship hunger? whatever?) to re-sign cheap (ie MLE or so, 3 to 5 years) in 2010? If so, you keep him. If not, you have to look at moving him, due to his injuries.

Assuming Manu, KT and Mason stay, the core, not including trades looks like :

Bigs - Duncan, Mahinmi, KT
WIngs - Manu, Mason, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill

Needs - 3 Bigs, 3 Wings, 1 PG.

For the Wings -
Bring in Gist at the Wing (similar contract to Hairston), Resign Bowen at the Vet min (after buyout, post trade), Last spot either filled by trade, or Finley, or draft pick/Nbdl/cheap veteran

For the Bigs -
Bring In Javtokas (LLE, 2 years), Lot of Possible variables - Pick 2 : a) Keep Bonner, b) get a big by trading Oberto, Bowen, and X c) Draft pick, d) NBDL/Cheap veteran (Birdman Anderson?)

For the PG - Pick 1 : a) Cheap Vet b) Marcus Williams (see the following madman http://www.48minutesofhell.com/2009/04/ ... int-guard/ )? Or other NBDL? c) Draft Pick

As you can see, I see one big trade, Bowen, Oberto, and either Bonner or Finley, for a significant wing or a big. Who, I don't know. Names like Tyson, Butler, even Dunleavy come to mind... Alternatively that might be for a not to bad contract (say 8 million, a serviceable player, and a draft pick or two ...). Or, we might see a smaller trade. Say Finley and a second to Denver for Balkman/ Kleiza (as a sign and trade), while Bowen and Oberto are simply payed off for the savings... But I definitely see some attempts at trades

I would also look at moving up in this draft. We don't really have a lot of roster spots available, so moving our 3 or so seconds for a late first might be a good idea. In particular, I am looking to the draft for either a serviceable wing or big... and to move Finley, because Pop's man love ends up mucking up the rotation. The roster ends up looking

Bigs - Duncan, KT, Mahinmi, Javtokas, Draft Pick/Player traded for, Bonner
Wings - Manu, Mason, Bowen (resigned), Hairston, Gist, Draft Pick/Player traded for
PG - Parker, Hill, Cheap veteran (Travis Deiner? James Hart? Mike James? Not Vaughn please...)

1. Don't scream at me about Manu being the heart of the team. If there was guy who was the HEART of the spurs for this dynasty, it was Bruce Bowen. We sidelined him this year, apparently for no reason. Tim, Manu and Tony were the talent, don't get me wrong. But Bruce was the heart of what it meant to play Spurs ball for this dynasty.

[HarlemHeat37]

I think it would be interesting to try and make a move with the Wizards, either for Caron Butler, or a move for Blatche..

I have no idea what the Wizards financial situation looks like, so I'm just guessing here..their big 3 experiment hasn't worked out well, so they could blow up..they're most likely going to get a top 3 pick, which they'll have to pay, and probably want to pay big in the future..they have a few guys that they'll wanna keep in Haywood, Nick Young, McGee, maybe others..

Manu's contract ends this year, while Butler's doesn't end until the year after..

I'm just throwing that out there..if we could somehow pull off a deal involving Manu for Butler, I'd jump on it..

another option could be to package a combination of Thomas/Oberto/Bonner to get Andray Blatche, but that would probably require taking Deshawn Stevenson's bad contract in return..

I have no idea about their financial situation though, so I have no idea if they'd be interested in deals to help their cap and to unload contracts..I'm sure they could get a better offer for both..



Manu/Oberto for Richard Jefferson is a very realistic deal, but I'm not sure if I would want that..I'm not really a fan or RJ..

[spurtech09]

udoka,vaughn,and oberto......no disrespect to oberto.....he has heart but the spurs need more younger athletic big guys....

[2Cleva]

There really is no point in going young as long as Duncan is there.

If I'm SA, I do the same ol' same ol' next season. Add a guy like Sheed and hope to get lucky with a guy for the vet min. If you can get Sheed you let Gooden go. Only MLE to sign one.

If by mid-season its not working, I then offer Ks across the league to try to get a player (Vince Carter, etc..) from a team who wants 2010 cap space. SA will have nearly 30 mil in last year's including Ginobili. Make sure I don't take any K longer than Duncan's. So any K 2011/12 or shorter is good.

Come 2011/12 when Tim likely hangs them up, then you start anew with what's left.

[holcs50]

I think it would be interesting to try and make a move with the Wizards, either for Caron Butler, or a move for Blatche..

I have no idea what the Wizards financial situation looks like, so I'm just guessing here..their big 3 experiment hasn't worked out well, so they could blow up..they're most likely going to get a top 3 pick, which they'll have to pay, and probably want to pay big in the future..they have a few guys that they'll wanna keep in Haywood, Nick Young, McGee, maybe others..

Manu's contract ends this year, while Butler's doesn't end until the year after..

I'm just throwing that out there..if we could somehow pull off a deal involving Manu for Butler, I'd jump on it..

another option could be to package a combination of Thomas/Oberto/Bonner to get Andray Blatche, but that would probably require taking Deshawn Stevenson's bad contract in return..

I have no idea about their financial situation though, so I have no idea if they'd be interested in deals to help their cap and to unload contracts..I'm sure they could get a better offer for both..



Manu/Oberto for Richard Jefferson is a very realistic deal, but I'm not sure if I would want that..I'm not really a fan or RJ..

Dude I would jump all over Caron butler in a trade like that. Caron is like exactly what the spurs need. RJ not so much-love him cuz hes a UA Cat but he just doesn't bring enough in return for manu. Caron for sure tho.

[pad300]

Anyone interested in Luol Deng from Chicago. He's had a lousy year, and wasn't that good the year before. With 9 bodies signed (not including Ben Gordon), they are at $64 million committed salary next year. I'm not sure if they have financial issues or not , but they could move him for pure expiring contracts (Say Oberto (buy out), Bowen (Buy out), and Finley ). Also, I understand the fan community isn't happy with his last 2 years...

[sananspursfan21]

okay, the whole team should not be blown up by any means, man that would be stupid.

who stays:

parker
duncan
thomas (yes, i include kurt)
gooden
hill
mason (obviously)
bowen (still our lockdown defender, he leaves when he's ready)
bonner
finley (keep him, just reduce his role, he breaks out every now and again)

offseason acquisitions: camby (trade for ginobili and maybe kurt), rasheed wallace, trevor ariza, andray blatche (somehow trade for him, he could be timmy's successor)

frontcourt toughness is what the spurs have always been built on and the only couple seasons they really haven't had it were this year and last

[sananspursfan21]

I think it would be interesting to try and make a move with the Wizards, either for Caron Butler, or a move for Blatche..

I have no idea what the Wizards financial situation looks like, so I'm just guessing here..their big 3 experiment hasn't worked out well, so they could blow up..they're most likely going to get a top 3 pick, which they'll have to pay, and probably want to pay big in the future..they have a few guys that they'll wanna keep in Haywood, Nick Young, McGee, maybe others..

Manu's contract ends this year, while Butler's doesn't end until the year after..

I'm just throwing that out there..if we could somehow pull off a deal involving Manu for Butler, I'd jump on it..

another option could be to package a combination of Thomas/Oberto/Bonner to get Andray Blatche, but that would probably require taking Deshawn Stevenson's bad contract in return..

I have no idea about their financial situation though, so I have no idea if they'd be interested in deals to help their cap and to unload contracts..I'm sure they could get a better offer for both..



Manu/Oberto for Richard Jefferson is a very realistic deal, but I'm not sure if I would want that..I'm not really a fan or RJ..

haha, my thoughts exactly my friend, i love blatche and butler too. i don't see caron happening but andray would be very realistic and great. wouldn't mind getting scola back either...

[TheSpursFNRule]

Lot of guys calling for Sheed here......do we really want another 35 yr old player? One who shot 40% from the floor this year?

Spurs need to lock up 27yr old gooden who scores at a high clip. Use a LLE to see if we can grab Rasho or Robert Swift...who Im high on...and use the use expiring contracts to deal for a wing like Maggette, RJ, Jax, Carney.

Draft picks need too be the best player on the board at that time, and I strongly think the spurs need to get back into the first.

If we can grab a SF and a 7ftr, keep gooden and have Ian and Gist come in next year we will be wearing a ring by seasons end. GS is gonna deal Maggette and J Crawford this summer either one would really help out on the wing, both can get to the rim and can give us that athletic ablity we lack.

Didn't golden state just give Maggette a new contract?

[Darrin]

After watching:rolleyes the travesty that was our team tonight I just think of the hell of having this roster another season. So I figured I'd ask you knowledgable spurs fan who you think will go or stay after this season?

I say everyone's on the table. Duncan has defined his career as a San Antonio Spur and will always be welcomed that way. I think it would be wise to make tough decisions when Manu and TP are in their primes and in contract seasons.

[spurspokesman]

:downspin::downspin:
Dude I would jump all over Caron butler in a trade like that. Caron is like exactly what the spurs need. RJ not so much-love him cuz hes a UA Cat but he just doesn't bring enough in return for manu. Caron for sure tho.

IM with caron. Uconn stand up.:toast

[Spur|n|Austin]

Oy Vey! I can't believe I'm reading people say we should trade Duncan..

And I like the idea someone had about bringing Blatche over here, the kid has lots of potential, just needs good coaching..

[Biggems]

Bowen is my favorite player on the team. However, he isn't getting playing time anymore. I think it is time for him to retire. I would like for him to become an assistant coach, move into the front office, or possibly even replace Dan Hughes as Elliott's sub announcer. It would still allow Bruce to be active in the community.

Vaughn will retire and become a coach....probably with the Spurs.

Oberto needs to retire. That heart thing is scary. I think he will most likely move back to Argentina and finish his days out as a player/coach.

Udoka is an enigma. He hustles and plays hard when out there, but his shot is not consistent and he is mistake prone. Maybe if he had more consistent minutes, he would be able to be consistently more productive on both ends of the floor. I am not sure he will be back.

Bonner was doing great the first half of the season, but since that Toronto game, he has done very little. His shot just isn't falling. His defense is atrocious and he rebounds like he is 5'4 instead of 7'. I think he will be back next year, but I will not be disappointed if he is gone.



I would like to draft F/C Jeff Pendergraph of Arizona St. and PF Ahmad Nivins of St. Joseph's. Then we bring over Gist and bring back Hairston. I would like to see Sanikidze in the summer league and see if he can do anything for us at SF.

C - Ian, Thomas, Pendergraph,
PF - Duncan, Gooden, Nivins
SF - Gist, Williams, maybe Sanikidze
SG - Mason, Manu, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, ?

We go from being old and somewhat unathletic....to being very young and more athletic.

[TheSpursFNRule]

They did sign him this summer and Nelson has stated he wanted to trade him and tried to before the deadline. He will be offered again this summer so who knows maybe we could swing something. They are looking to shed salary and it has been reported that Nelson has told Crawford if he does not opt out he will be delt or benched perminately

Oh okay thank you fuck Crawford i'd much rather Maggette. I didn't know Nelson wanted Corey gone to though thanks for telling me, I don't know if he's interested in the spurs though I mean last summer I got all psyched when I read he was the front runner to come here and than he just bailed and went to a shit team. He'd be a nice fit too. Any chance for this summer though?

[carlos c]

The Spurs are gonna have $29 mill in expiring contracts this summer:

Manu- $10.7
Thomas- $3.8
Mason- $3.8
Bonner- $3.2
Bowen- $4
Oberto- $3.5
(Bowen's and Oberto's contracts are only half guaranteed making them more enticing for teams)

They need to use their MLE on Sheed and then use those expiring contracts for players like Carter, Jefferson, and Butler. The Bucks and Wizards are way over the cap and the Nets want that 2010 cap space.

They need to hold onto Manu. If he's still struggling with his injury by the trade deadline, then they should look into trading him. Expiring contracts are gonna be valuable this summer and at the deadline.

These are the Duncan years, they can't afford to sit still and wait for 2010. They need to make their big moves this summer. But it still comes down to Holt willing to spend some money.

PG: Parker, Hill
SG: Manu, Mason
C: Wallace, KT?
PF: Duncan, Ian
SF: trade, ?

The two worries would be backup SF and C. Ian's still an unproven player, they'll need a good backup for Tim and Sheed. Hopefully Hairston, Gist, or Williams will pan out and be that backup SF.

[TheSpursFNRule]

The Spurs are gonna have $29 mill in expiring contracts this summer:

Manu- $10.7
Thomas- $3.8
Mason- $3.8
Bonner- $3.2
Bowen- $4
Oberto- $3.5
(Bowen's and Oberto's contracts are only half guaranteed making them more enticing for teams)

They need to use their MLE on Sheed and then use those expiring contracts for players like Carter, Jefferson, and Butler. The Bucks and Wizards are way over the cap and the Nets want that 2010 cap space.

They need to hold onto Manu. If he's still struggling with his injury by the trade deadline, then they should look into trading him. Expiring contracts are gonna be valuable this summer and at the deadline.

These are the Duncan years, they can't afford to sit still and wait for 2010. They need to make their big moves this summer. But it still comes down to Holt willing to spend some money.

PG: Parker, Hill
SG: Manu, Mason
C: Wallace, KT?
PF: Duncan, Ian
SF: trade, ?

The two worries would be backup SF and C. Ian's still an unproven player, they'll need a good backup for Tim and Sheed. Hopefully Hairston, Gist, or Williams will pan out and be that backup SF.

Very good and informitive post. I am very interested because I have been watching the Spurs since 92' and this year I am very dissapointed in there lack of flow. In past years they have been a well oiled machine, a lot of flow, crisp passes and all around perfect basketball harmony. I really believe even if they ONLY got a SF or C one or the other would make all the difference. Its not the our big 3 aren't dominate anymore, its proven they work together, the 3 championships says so. Its just there not AS dominate. One more player to take the pressure off whether it a SF or another big would make all the difference. I look foward to the spurs next year because I hope that crispness and pefect chemistry they used to have is back. Go Spurs!

[Austin_Toros]

To go: Oberto, Vaughn, Finley, Bowen

keep Manu? trade Manu?

[TDMVPDPOY]

i wonder if the spurs will keep gooden.....

so far his doin what his meant to do...

[de Soto]

Parker is a keeper - best PG in tne NBA.
Duncan for leadership and limited quality minutes.

The rest is garbage or close to it.

In other words, REBUILD right now.

[de Soto]

The Spurs are gonna have $29 mill in expiring contracts this summer:

Manu- $10.7
Thomas- $3.8
Mason- $3.8
Bonner- $3.2
Bowen- $4
Oberto- $3.5


Good riddance, all of them. This may just save the Spurs from prolonged agony of mavs-like mediocrity.

[it's me]

Parker - is a keeper best PG in tne NBA.
Duncan for leadership and limited quality minutes.

The rest is garbage or close to it.

In other words, REBUILD right now.

:lmao now I get the Manu hate

[spurs_50_21]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parker


Blasphemy

[carlos c]

[quote=Rodney21a;3275659]MMM wrong...

Manu is Du 10.75 for the 09 /10 Season...

Kurt 3.8

Bowen 4

Bonner 3.24

Roger Mason 3.7

The only guys "expiring next this summer" is GOODEN..and we NEED him

plus Vaughn and Udoka...

Finley has some type of Option for next year....

Thats only 5.something Million cumming off next year putting the Spurs at 59. something million which is roughly the cap for this year...so ASSUMING the NBA raises the cap limit at the same rate this summer as last...then the Cap is likely to be 62.1 Million...meaning WHAT EVER The SPurs do in the off season is gonna HAVE TO BE VIA TRADE... Of course the Luxer tax don't kick in until 75 mill and you can use your exemptions but SPURS and Mr Holt don't like that ..and now that we have a DOWN TURN in the economy that's even LESS Likely... So the wished of SHEED or WHATEVER OTHER DINOSAUR you SPURS TALK GENIUSES can muster is just the TALK..

The Whole premise of your post it just plane wrong...maybe click on the link on that Wikipedia Entry to the SOURCE to see the correct number Published http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

Hoopshype is the the site I got it from.
Manu, Thomas, Mason, Bowen, Oberto, and Bonner all have one year left on their contracts after this season. They can use those expiring contracts to make a trade this summer.

[Dave_ET]

This is what im hoping for next year:

C - Duncan, Thomas, Mahinmi
PF - Wallace, Gooden, Bonner
SF - Ariza, Finley, Gist
SG - Manu, Mason, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, a cheap Vet/Rookie

but I'm not sure if we can afford it all. Can we land Wallace and Ariza?

The only ones I don't feel good about is leaving Bowen, but I feel like he's at his end. Also I'm hesitant to keep Thomas and Finley, but I think they've got one more season left in the tank. I'd like to keep Bonner towards the end of the bench. Yeah he can shoot 3's, but so can a lot of our guys. What we need out of a PF/C is defense and rebounds, which isn't quite his specialty.....at all. We could trade Bonner and KT for an athletic big with rebounding and defense, but I don't see the front office having THAT crazy of an offseason. The roster above is already super busy by the spurs' standards.

If Manu, Duncan, and Ian can stay healthy, we can be pretty stacked and on the rise instead of declining.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Can someone tell me if this is possible?...Is it possible to sign Drew Gooden using the MLE and still get another small foward, even a decent one like Ariza, Matt Barnes, The guy with the funny name on the bucks etc. I don't know how'd we'd get that second solid SF, would we have to trade? or release players to make enough room for it. Is it possible? Imagine if we got Gooden and Ariza it would be great.

[orantom]

i'd seriously consider putting duncan on the trading block...just to see what we can get

its about time we start building around parkerhttp://up.twochong.com/file.aspx?number=2009329214410310

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I think it would be interesting to try and make a move with the Wizards, either for Caron Butler, or a move for Blatche..

I have no idea what the Wizards financial situation looks like, so I'm just guessing here..their big 3 experiment hasn't worked out well, so they could blow up..they're most likely going to get a top 3 pick, which they'll have to pay, and probably want to pay big in the future..they have a few guys that they'll wanna keep in Haywood, Nick Young, McGee, maybe others..

Manu's contract ends this year, while Butler's doesn't end until the year after..

I'm just throwing that out there..if we could somehow pull off a deal involving Manu for Butler, I'd jump on it..

another option could be to package a combination of Thomas/Oberto/Bonner to get Andray Blatche, but that would probably require taking Deshawn Stevenson's bad contract in return..

I have no idea about their financial situation though, so I have no idea if they'd be interested in deals to help their cap and to unload contracts..I'm sure they could get a better offer for both..

Manu/Oberto for Richard Jefferson is a very realistic deal, but I'm not sure if I would want that..I'm not really a fan or RJ..

Nice thinking on Blatche. Love to steal him away from them, although there is a risk that he's one of those guys who just never quite gets it though. I'd like to see whether Tim could turn him into a playa.

Blatche is certainly a better option than Sheed. I can't believe so many people want him here - he's 35, back to his bad Technical form, oft injured, and hasn't much left in the tank, not to mention the fact that the NBA has become quicker and more athletic (not a direction Sheed is headed).


There really is no point in going young as long as Duncan is there.

If I'm SA, I do the same ol' same ol' next season. Add a guy like Sheed and hope to get lucky with a guy for the vet min. If you can get Sheed you let Gooden go. Only MLE to sign one.

If by mid-season its not working, I then offer Ks across the league to try to get a player (Vince Carter, etc..) from a team who wants 2010 cap space. SA will have nearly 30 mil in last year's including Ginobili. Make sure I don't take any K longer than Duncan's. So any K 2011/12 or shorter is good.

Come 2011/12 when Tim likely hangs them up, then you start anew with what's left.

That's why you're not a Spurs fan, but a Faker double-agent... :lol

The league has moved on, and an old team of slow vets will not get it done any more. We have to inject youth and athleticism now to keep up with teams like Portland, New Orleans, Utah, Denver, and of course the Lakers, all of whom are more athletic than we are. If we don't, there's no way Tim wins another ring before he retires. The NBA has left us behind.


Good riddance, all of them. This may just save the Spurs from prolonged agony of mavs-like mediocrity.

"Good riddance" is quite insulting to a list of players, 4 of whom won championships here, and the rest of whom have done the best they could. I mean, trade some of them (not Manu, Mason, KT) if possible, but no need to insult the great contributions they've made here.

[Laker Lanny]

Spur fans shopping out their players with the playoffs around the corner. :lmao

[Rogue]

Parker is a keeper - best PG in tne NBA.
Duncan for leadership and limited quality minutes.

The rest is garbage or close to it.

In other words, REBUILD right now.
Tony Longoria is definitely a great player but it's still egoistic to define him as the best PG in the NBA as there are also many other PGs better than him, like Jason Kidd and Billups. One of the most important job for a PG is just to run well his team's offense with assists, but the number of Tony Longoria's assists is not very convincible for a good PG compared to the real PGs like caldron and Kidd. Tony Longoria is more of a scorer than a play maker IMHO.

the spurs have already gotten a lot younger since last summer by replacing the antique veterans with fresh youngsters like Roger Mason. this summer the spurs still should do the same job instead of rebuilding, some small fixes will be more than enough to keep the spurs in the top 3 teams in the western conference (the other two are Lakers and Mavs). Only rockets fans and idiots wish the spurs to rebuild then give up their top 3 space for a mediocre team like the rockets. I'm not meaning the records of the regular season, I mean the postseason, first round precisely. :lol

So I expect the spurs will continue their rejuvenating work this summer, for that reason the old spurs most likely to leave are Bowen and Fin. After realizing the dream of ring, Fin doesn't have any reason no more to remain in San Antonio and the spurs also need to cut off some old guys, so it'll be a good option for both Fin and spurs to get divorced. Of course Fin will play the role of the wife as his contract is in roster option this summer, I mean it's Fin that will decide whether to play on spurs for one more year or not, I think Fin will choose to opt out this contract for a bigger one.

geniunely I'm a big fan of Bruce Bowen, but I have to admit that Bowen is already too old to defend his glory of "the best defender on this planet". His contract still has one more year, which makes it an 10-expiring contract that is very attractive to those james-lovers like Knicks and Nets. The best scenario is Bowen gets traded to either Nets or knicks for some picks and young talents, for sure it will also involve some garbage contracts from Knicks or Nets to match Bowen's 5m contract which is also kind of a garbage. even if the spurs fail to find a adopter for Bowen, it's still a better option for spurs to waive him than to keep him. Obviously the spurs will have to rebuild in 2-3 seasons when Manu and TD get senile, so the spurs won't have too many good years to go. Only decent role players can hardly keep this team standing if the pillars collapse, now it's better for spurs to sweep their bad contracts than to expect those fade stones to re-shine.

[spurspokesman]

Players who need to go:

Finley - He doesn't give our team any edge. He's just a safety blanket for Pop, and our offense is predictable and routine with this guy.
KT - old, slow, he is the epitome of the current spurs, not athletic and too slow to operate a dynamic defense. Our ability to double team is ineffective because we can't switch if our life depended on it.
Vaughn - Vaughn
Oberto - stick a fork in him
Bonner - he is not a killer. There are other 3 pt specialists we can get/develop to replace him.
Udoka - he is what 35?? or something. No way is he Bowen's apprentice. I wish we kept Hairston


The rest stay. I'm tired of this geriatric nonsense.
:rollinLmao at Geriatric nonsense. +1

[will_spurs]

Tony Longoria is definitely a great player but it's still egoistic to define him as the best PG in the NBA as there are also many other PGs better than him, like Jason Kidd and Billups.

Good that you think this way because Parker will bring the Kidd to school in the 1st round of the playoffs, and then do the same with Billups in the 2nd round. After that I think you will ask Magic to un-retire or something :lol

[Bender]

Kidd is better than tony...?! uh, ok....

[vander]

only guys from this team that I want to see on this team next year are
TD
TP
Gooden
Bonner
Hill
Mahimni
Mason

unfortunately just about everybody is still under contract next year