Take a note, Kobe

[DPG21920]

Since this is already hijacked, lets play our own version of "Who Wants to be a Doucheonaire"

Our first contestant is Allanon:

Allanon, you know the rules. You have 10 questions to answer correct before you can win 1 Million D-Bucks. You have life lines and they are: Phone-a-Douche, Ask the Douche Audience and Flip-Flop. Lets get started:

For 100 Douche Dollars:

Who said the Lakers would experience 75 win ecstasy?

a) DrHouse
b) Kobe
c) DrPhil
d) Allanon

[lil_penny]

I got my swim trunks and my flippy floppies.

I'm flippin burgers, you at kinkos straight flippin copies!

[JamStone]

Of course this thread was going to turn into this... but it's still too bad.

[resistanze]

Since this is already hijacked, lets play our own version of "Who Wants to be a Doucheonaire"

Our first contestant is Allanon:

Allanon, you know the rules. You have 10 questions to answer correct before you can win 1 Million D-Bucks. You have life lines and they are: Phone-a-Douche, Ask the Douche Audience and Flip-Flop. Lets get started:

For 100 Douche Dollars:

Who said the Lakers would experience 75 win ecstasy?

a) DrHouse
b) Kobe
c) DrPhil
d) Allanon
:lol

[DPG21920]

Allanon, won't you play? Unless the pressure is getting to you more than Kobe in an elimination game!!!!!!! *audience laughs*

[ShoogarBear]

Hokey smokes. Seven pages of this shit?

Good job, bb.

[dirk4mvp]

spur fans > kobe fans

[stretch]

Smartest stretch post ever.

Although LeBron's team wasn't bad, just not good enough to win the Championship. Kobe's team was good enough to make the Playoffs...that's it.

Dude, both of their teams were really bad. Replace Lebron/Kobe with someone lesser like Paul Pierce or Joe Johnson, and they end up in the lottery, going for one of the top picks.

[stretch]

Not over-rated in Big Z's case. He was a legit All-Star Center. And he is still a legit Center...just not when going up against a Superstar Center. I like Kobe's nuts in my mouth

:rolleyes

[stretch]

this thread became extra gay once allanon came around

[DPG21920]

Kobe/Lebron is a hot topic for better or for worse. This was a legit thread from BB's point of view, but it got mucked up because of the feelings involved.

I certainly did not help the case by continuing to "argue" with Allanon, but my initial posts were valid. But sometimes I cannot help myself when it comes to messing with Laker fans. 90% of them on this board are DrHouses and Allanons. I am with Jamstone. I do not hate Kobe or the Lakers, I just really hate their fans.

I will never root for the Lakers, but I enjoy watching their brand of basketball and their talent when they play hard.

[DPG21920]

this thread became extra gay once allanon came around

Are you surprised? This is a guy who won't even show up to my game show when I graciously have him on.

[Randy]

allanon, won't you play? Unless the pressure is getting to you more than kobe in an elimination game!!!!!!! *audience laughs*
pow!

[DPG21920]

Would anyone else like to step in for Allanon? It is your chance to be a SpursTalk, Slumdog Millionaire Douche!!!!!

[DPG21920]

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http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/1156/0/Stupid_Woman_on_Who_Wants_to_be_a_Millionaire.ashx
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An Elephant Allanon, is that your final answer????

[Allanon]

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An Elephant Allanon, is that your final answer????

Wow, I go to lunch and you've been posting about me this whole time? Don't blame me for the beatin' you got today, wasn't me....this time. Epic DPG gangbang.

I toldja you were infatuated with me liar. :lol



You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

[Allanon]

this thread became extra gay once allanon came around

Your mom was a lesbo until I gave her the tip of muh dick.

[DPG21920]

Since this is already hijacked, lets play our own version of "Who Wants to be a Doucheonaire"

Our first contestant is Allanon:

Allanon, you know the rules. You have 10 questions to answer correct before you can win 1 Million D-Bucks. You have life lines and they are: Phone-a-Douche, Ask the Douche Audience and Flip-Flop. Lets get started:

For 100 Douche Dollars:

Who said the Lakers would experience 75 win ecstasy?

a) DrHouse
b) Kobe
c) DrPhil
d) Allanon

He is here folks, he was .4 seconds away from being replaced. Wow Allanon, you sure know how to make the anticipation grow. Any ways lets resume play. Allanon answer the first question please.

http://photobucket.com/albums/u189/sxstr/snazzyspace/graphicfolder/techno-house/rave-dance-lights.gif

[Allanon]

He is here folks, he was .4 seconds away from being replaced. Wow Allanon, you sure know how to make the anticipation grow. Any ways lets resume play. Allanon answer the first question please.

http://photobucket.com/albums/u189/sxstr/snazzyspace/graphicfolder/techno-house/rave-dance-lights.gif

Folks, The answer is a LIAR!!

Even Photobucket wants to own you today. Just a bent over day for you DPG. Wow!:lol



You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

[DPG21920]

Why do you keep owning yourself with that quote? You are clearly quoting me and arguing with me? Are you retarded?

No one even gets your photobucket joke.

[Allanon]

Why do you keep owning yourself with that quote? You are clearly quoting me and arguing with me? Are you retarded?

No even gets your photobucket joke.

Hahah sure, sure. Still didn't show me any quote of yours liar, just changed the subject.

I can't believe even I have my own fan following me around. :lol

[DPG21920]

Hahah sure, sure. Still didn't show me any quote of yours liar, just changed the subject.

I can't believe even I have my own fan following me around. :lol

You are not making any sense any more. Show you what quote idiot? Any quote of you quoting me?

Change what subject? The fact that people starting showing up calling you a fag and an idiot and saying you got owned, not me like I said they would?

Did you quote BB without him talking to you?
Does that by your definition make you obsessed with him?
Did anywhere, in anyone of my quotes, did I say you started arguing with me by quoting me first?

Can you answer any of these questions so we can resume the game you are dodging so douchely?

[Allanon]

You are not making any sense any more. Show you what quote idiot? Any quote of you quoting me?

Change what subject? The fact that people starting showing up calling you a fag and an idiot and saying you got owned, not me like I said they would?

Did you quote BB without him talking to you?
Does that by your definition make you obsessed with him?
Did anywhere, in anyone of my quotes, did I say you started arguing with me by quoting me first?

Can you answer any of these questions so we can resume the game you are dodging so douchely?

You're so infatuated with me, you started this argument and convinced yourself that I was posting in response to you.



You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

[DPG21920]

You're so infatuated with me, you started this argument and convinced yourself that I was posting in response to you.

I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar? Nor did I ever say you started it, I said you have been arguing with me. You are now and have been arguing with me for 4 hours, so what is your point again?

Admit you are obsessed with BB. Play the game. Don't you want to be a Douchenaire?

[DPG21920]

Since this is already hijacked, lets play our own version of "Who Wants to be a Doucheonaire"

Our first contestant is Allanon:

Allanon, you know the rules. You have 10 questions to answer correct before you can win 1 Million D-Bucks. You have life lines and they are: Phone-a-Douche, Ask the Douche Audience and Flip-Flop. Lets get started:

For 100 Douche Dollars:

Who said the Lakers would experience 75 win ecstasy?

a) DrHouse
b) Kobe
c) DrPhil
d) Allanon

[Allanon]

I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?

Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Where do you "fully admit" that you started this argument? Please quote that liar DPG, please. Which post #?

Here we go folks, hang on, this one should be good :rollin

[DPG21920]

You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

If everyone else was doing so prominently, it should be easy for you to find inside of this thread you currently occupy, no?

This is the original quote where I said you were arguing with me. Any where in there does it say you started it? Or does it say you have been arguing with me?


So, did you not respond and keep going? It takes two to argue girl.

Second Post. This clearly places the blame on me, because in order to respond to me, that must mean that I take responsibility for quoting you first, just like your obsession with BB shows. This also echoes the same as the first. No mention of you starting the argument, just saying it takes two to argue and says that you keep quoting me and arguing back and forth.

This all after you said "I have not argued with you". That is different than saying I did not start the argument, which I never said you did correct? If I did, please quote me. This should be good folks!


How original, you copying me again. So you can say that it is between me and them, but then you can also say I got owned by them, but you cannot prove it.

Interesting.

Your first comment that I quoted was to BB, and it was way off point, so I corrected it. Then you started arguing with me. So what is your point again?

Last quote. It clearly shows me saying "I quoted" and "I corrected", meaning I started the "argument" by quoting and correcting you. Then after I clearly admitted this again, I re-stated my original quote that you started arguing with me for the rest of the thread.

Please play the game now.

[Allanon]

Maybe he "missed" my post folks, let's try it again.

Or maybe he doesn't understand what "fully admitting" means? Where does he say it, hmmmm? Or maybe he's just a liar? :lol


I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?

Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Where do you "fully admit" that you started this argument? Please quote that liar DPG, please. Which post #?

Here we go folks, hang on, this one should be good :rollin

[DPG21920]

Now I know you are retarded. Are you asking me if I literally said the words "fully admit" to prove your case? If so, once again, you are retarded.

[DPG21920]

Now watch him repeat...

[kamikazi_player]

Holy shit, how did this thread get 12 pages?

[DPG21920]

I wasn't arguing with you today.

[Allanon]

Now I know you are retarded. Are you asking me if I literally said the words "fully admit" to prove your case? If so, once again, you are retarded.

You lie so much, you had convinced yourself that you "fully admitted" it. And then when I ask, it's nowhere to be found, is it liar?

/end game


I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?

Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

[DPG21920]

Maybe he "missed" my post folks, let's try it again.

Or maybe he doesn't understand what "fully admitting" means? Where does he say it, hmmmm? Or maybe he's just a liar? :lol



Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Where do you "fully admit" that you started this argument? Please quote that liar DPG, please. Which post #?

Here we go folks, hang on, this one should be good :rollin


Now watch him repeat...


You lie so much, you had convinced yourself that you "fully admitted" it. And then when I ask, it's nowhere to be found, is it liar?

/end game



Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

[Allanon]

Wow, just wow.


I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?

Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Self pwnage. You start this argument, try to say that I'm "trying to argue" with you when YOU did. Then you backtrack and then lie about "fully admitting" it.

You started this little infatuation today, not I. :lol

Show me ANY quote of you admitting it, liar. Post #? Quote? Link?

[Ghazi]

lakers are such underachievers, they should be 87-7 right now!!!

[DPG21920]

Wow, just wow.



Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Self pwnage. You start this argument, try to say that I'm "trying to argue" with you when YOU did. Then you backtrack and then lie about "fully admitting" it.

You started this little infatuation today, not I.

Show me ANY quote of you admitting it, liar. Post #? Quote? Link?


Look up my profile, I was here at ST BEFORE the Pau trade.

You Pzowned yourself Mono :lol :lmao


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3226203

Updated: February 3, 2008, 3:07 PM ET
In dire need of frontcourt help, Lakers acquire Gasol from Grizzlies

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-gasoltrade020108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Lakers trade for Gasol
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
February 1, 2008


Allanon
Showtime 2.0
Join Date: 02-15-2008












































:lmao:lmao:lmao


http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/12/pwned_2.jpg


You got me, I was a lurker prior to that. But I'll give you kudos for that.


:lmao :lmao
:lmao :lmao



I can just imagine Allanon furiously trying to find a "Edit Join Date" feature :lmao


FWIW, I was a lurker before 1999 also... :rolleyes

:lmao


Nope, I'm man enough to admit it, you got me. Good one.


Lots and lots of arguments with a couple of posters here

But post counts don't matter much, you probably have better things to say, I just like to argue.

We see what happens when Allanon says other people get owned then lies
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124464&highlight=start+snitching&page=3

[Allanon]

Oh lookie, he changes the subject again, folks. Not surprising for a habitual liar.

Still no quotes? Post #'s? Links?


I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?

Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Self pwnage. You start this argument, try to say that I'm "trying to argue" with you when YOU did. Then you backtrack and then lie about "fully admitting" it.

You started this little infatuation today, not I. :lol

Show me ANY quote of you admitting it, liar. Post #? Quote? Link?

[DPG21920]

Oh lookie, he changes the subject again, folks. Not surprising for a habitual liar.

Still no quotes? Post #'s? Links?



Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair.

Self pwnage. You start this argument, try to say that I'm "trying to argue" with you when YOU did. Then you backtrack and then lie about "fully admitting" it.

You started this little infatuation today, not I.

Show me ANY quote of you admitting it, liar. Post #? Quote? Link?

Allanon calling people a liar :lol


Wow, just wow.



Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair.

Self pwnage. You start this argument, try to say that I'm "trying to argue" with you when YOU did. Then you backtrack and then lie about "fully admitting" it.

You started this little infatuation today, not I.

Show me ANY quote of you admitting it, liar. Post #? Quote? Link?


Look up my profile, I was here at ST BEFORE the Pau trade.

You Pzowned yourself Mono :lol :lmao


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3226203

Updated: February 3, 2008, 3:07 PM ET
In dire need of frontcourt help, Lakers acquire Gasol from Grizzlies

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-gasoltrade020108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Lakers trade for Gasol
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
February 1, 2008


Allanon
Showtime 2.0
Join Date: 02-15-2008












































:lmao:lmao:lmao


http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/12/pwned_2.jpg


You got me, I was a lurker prior to that. But I'll give you kudos for that.


:lmao :lmao
:lmao :lmao



I can just imagine Allanon furiously trying to find a "Edit Join Date" feature :lmao


FWIW, I was a lurker before 1999 also... :rolleyes

:lmao


Nope, I'm man enough to admit it, you got me. Good one.


Lots and lots of arguments with a couple of posters here

But post counts don't matter much, you probably have better things to say, I just like to argue.

We see what happens when Allanon says other people get owned then lies
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124464&highlight=start+snitching&page=3

[Allanon]

Oh lookie, he changes the subject again, folks. Not surprising at all for a habitual liar.

Still no quotes? Post #'s? Links?


I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?

Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Self pwnage. You start this argument, try to say that I'm "trying to argue" with you when YOU did. Then you backtrack and then lie about "fully admitting" it.

You started this little infatuation today, not I. :lol

Show me ANY quote of you admitting it, liar. Post #? Quote? Link?

[kamikazi_player]

too much to read :smchode:

[DPG21920]

Shhh, girl. No need to lie. Girl, just shhh.

http://amandadowling.co.uk/dsc_5508.jpg


LMAO at you girl trying to cling to a technicality. I said you and I were arguing because I quoted and corrected you. You still think that after 12 pages you and I are not arguing.

Who cares if I quoted you first? You quoted BB and he was not talking to you, does that make you a liar and obsessed with him?

Please quote me saying YOU STARTED THE ARGUMENT. Please. Or else you will just keep getting owned JOIN DATE.

"but but but I manned up", STFU douche.

[Allanon]

Oh lookie, he adds a cute little picture this time, folks.

Not surprising at all for a habitual liar.

Still no quotes? Post #'s? Links?


I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?

Again, you lie and owned yourself. This is like fishing with dynamite, just ain't fair. :lol

Self pwnage. You start this argument, try to say that I'm "trying to argue" with you when YOU did. Then you backtrack and then lie about "fully admitting" it.

You started this little infatuation today, not I. :lol

Show me ANY quote of you admitting it, liar. Post #? Quote? Link?

[DPG21920]

I am finished. I have shown everyone how big of a "lieing" douche Allanon is. You have been exposed girl.

This is how the rest of the forum looks at you:


this thread became extra gay once allanon came around

[Allanon]

I did start the argument because I quoted you first, correct? I fully admitted that already, so how am I a liar?


STFU douche.

Oh no, the Liar obviously can't post quotes of him "FULLY ADMITTING" it so the big bad words start coming out.

Quotes? Post#? Links?

Now I know what you do instead of "manning up". :lol

There you have it folks, the Liar at his finest; I toldja it would be good :lmao

[DPG21920]

P.S.

I love you Allanon, just as I do all my SpursTalk brothers.

[Allanon]

P.S.

I love you Allanon, just as I do all my SpursTalk brothers.

All good DPG, fun as always :toast

[duncan228]

P.S.

I love you Allanon, just as I do all my SpursTalk brothers.


All good DPG, fun as always :toast

:toast to both of you. Nice way to close it.

[JamStone]

I considered making a "Take note, LeBron" thread, but I didn't want to make the worst jinx thread ever if somehow Denver did something miraculous, and I kind of assume a Laker fan is going to make one after the game anyway.


But, it would have gone something like this:

"Hey, LeBron, take note: Close out game on the road against an actually good team."

[DPG21920]

Lebron hater.

[RsxPiimp]

I considered making a "Take note, LeBron" thread, but I didn't want to make the worst jinx thread ever if somehow Denver did something miraculous, and I kind of assume a Laker fan is going to make one after the game anyway.


But, it would have gone something like this:

"Hey, LeBron, take note: Close out game on the road against an actually good team."

lol

[KSeal]

I guess Kobe did take notes, 35 points (12-20), 10 assists. THAT'S HOW YOU CLOSE!!!!

[benefactor]

I guess Kobe did take notes, 35 points (12-20), 10 assists. THAT'S HOW YOU CLOSE!!!!
Finally........:)

[Showtime24 LAKERS]

Hmmmmmmm i wonder how kobe played tonight....

35 points on 12 for 20 shooting
10 Assists
6 Rebounds
9 for 9 from the FT line

Only 1 turnover. now that's impressive!! :toast

[jag]

Lebron > Kobe

[Ghazi]

Bfd

[E20]

lol laker fans

[baseline bum]

Nice game from Kobe tonight. Can't say anything bad about 35/6/10.

[Banzai]

lol laker fans

uiSNac0ENz4

[Killakobe81]

LeBron doesn't have a lot of help. That's definitely true. But, I think you forget how bad Kobe's teammates were in 2005-06 and 2006-07.

Lamar Odom is a good player. The rest of the supporting cast that were in the regular rotation: Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Maurice Evans, Vladimir Radmanovic. Smush, Walton, and Kwame were starters for much of those two years.

In the Western Conference.

At least LeBron has been given consistent three point shooting with his supporting cast. He's also been given tough big men who aren't afraid to bang. And, while they are older and not the same players they used to be, LeBron has teammates that have been all star talents and starters on great teams. Kobe's teammates those two years were neither talented nor experienced nor former winners. And again, in the Western Conference.

What Jamstone said ...seriously baseline you are a bum Lebron is great so is Kobe one guys performance does not detract from the others ...

By thw way hope you came to eat crow tonight loser ...

[KidCongo]

LeBron is getting it done better than he has ever before in the playoffs. He's shooting better than 50% despite his team mates struggles against Orlando. This is something different to last year against Boston and the Spurs where he shot around 35-40% (not exactly sure but I know it was bad).

It's great too see.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron and Kobe have been great so the debate continues ...
All i know is Kobe put on a clinic I hope Lebron does the same in Game 6...
WHat I dont want is cheap Fouls on dhoward ... let the guys decide it on the court ...

[JamStone]

LeBron has for the most part been playing out of his mind in these playoffs.

But as far as his FG shooting goes, I'm with Stan Van Gundy on this one. Anytime LeBron is in the paint or misses a shot, he's going to the free throw line. Now, he's also made some ridiculously difficult shots in this playoff run. But, if we're just talking about his FG%, that's greatly helped by the fact that he's going to the free throw line 14 times a game. Those missed shots when he "gets" the foul, don't count against his FG%.

For everything else, LeBron deserves all the praise he gets. He's been phenomenal. But, I wouldn't give him too much credit for his FG%.

[Killakobe81]

LeBron has for the most part been playing out of his mind in these playoffs.

But as far as his FG shooting goes, I'm with Stan Van Gundy on this one. Anytime LeBron is in the paint or misses a shot, he's going to the free throw line. Now, he's also made some ridiculously difficult shots in this playoff run. But, if we're just talking about his FG%, that's greatly helped by the fact that he's going to the free throw line 14 times a game. Those missed shots when he "gets" the foul, don't count against his FG%.

For everything else, LeBron deserves all the praise he gets. He's been phenomenal. But, I wouldn't give him too much credit for his FG%.

Agree with the above also ...and come on you dont have to be Magic fan to know Howard has gotten screwed on some calls that Lebron got the benefit on.

[baseline bum]

What Jamstone said ...seriously baseline you are a bum Lebron is great so is Kobe one guys performance does not detract from the others ...

By thw way hope you came to eat crow tonight loser ...

Closeout game pressure isn't elimination game pressure. Hell of a performance from Kobe tonight, but it did nothing to refute the fact that he doesn't handle games with his back against the wall well, while James has been excellent in all but one he's ever played.

[Killakobe81]

Closeout game pressure isn't elimination game pressure. Hell of a performance from Kobe tonight, but it did nothing to refute the fact that he doesn't handle games with his back against the wall well, while James has been excellent in all but one he's ever played.

Whatever you want to say so What is Duncan or Mau's elimination stats especially against Lakers & mavs?

You took one stat but ignore what is right in front of you ...Kobe was great eliminating your Spurs, the Nugz and the Jazz thr past few years

He is clutch period ...no doubt.
However in Finals he has been hot and cold ever since his 1st one ...

SO that i do concede his Finals have be en uneven so hopefully he shuts that up so the he cant win without Shaq or he lost his last 2 Finals stuff is refuted ...

I know like many around the NBA forums you guys want to deny his greatness but if he wins the title (again IF) then you wont be able to deny it ...

Some will say well he had Gasol (even though many think his is soft) ot that Lebron didnt have help or Magic didnt have Nelson...Whatever.

He wins you can bury him upside down so all the haters can kiss hiss ass for eternity

[JamStone]

LeBron has played great in two of four elimination games he's been in. And he's 1 and 3 in those games. What good is putting up impressive stats if your team loses? LeBron himself would tell you not much. Take for example game 7 of the Lakers-Rockets series and look at Kobe's stats. They aren't that impressive. But Pau and Bynum had it going and Kobe didn't need to take over and he facilitated and did other things besides scoring and the Lakers won. Then look at game 7 of the 2006 ECF between the Pistons and Cavs and look at LeBdon's stats. They look impressive unless you realize the Pistons were forcing him to beat them by himself and none of his teammates got involved and the Cavs lost. Kobe hasn't been good in many elimination games. But LeBron has lost three of four elimination games. Shouldn't that matter more than him putting up great numbers in losses?

[baseline bum]

Whatever you want to say so What is Duncan or Mau's elimination stats especially against Lakers & mavs?


Manu's irrelevant because no one in his right mind would compare him to Kobe. Let me show Kobe's, then Duncan's:


Since taking over as alpha-dog for the Lakers, this is Kobe's record in elimination games:

1) 2003 WCSF Game 6 (LOSS) : SPURS 110, Lakers 82
20 points, 9-19 FG, 2 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers

2) 2004 Finals Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 87, PISTONS 100
24 points, 7-21 FG, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers

3) 2006 WCQF Game 7 (LOSS): Lakers 90, SUNS 121
24 points, 8-16 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers

4) 2007 WCQF Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 110, SUNS 119
34 points, 13-33 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 6 turnovers

5) 2008 Finals Game 6 (LOSS): Lakers 92, CELTICS 131
22 points, 7-22 FG, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 4 turnovers

6) 2009 WCSF Game 7 (WIN): Rockets 70, LAKERS 89
14 points, 4-12 FG, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2blocks, 1 turnover

AVERAGES:
23.0 PPG
3.83 REBOUNDS
3.00 ASSISTS
39.0% FG%
1.17 STEALS
0.500 BLOCKS
4.00 TURNOVERS

PER: 14.0

I don't usually like to put a lot of stock into the PER, but an elite player doing that horribly on it is unreal. To put it in perspective, here's a list of players average PER this season in the 14.0 +/- 0.25 range:



RANK PLAYER PER
==== =============== =======
112 Chris Duhon 14.25
113 Wilson Chandler 14.18
114 Tyrus Thomas 14.10
115 Tyson Chandler 14.09
116 Al Thornton 14.04
117 Ronnie Brewer 14.02
118 Randy Foye 14.00
118 Spencer Hawes 14.00
120 Andrei Kirilenko 13.85
121 Brendan Haywood 13.83
122 Eric Gordon 13.80
123 Joakim Noah 13.78


1-5 in elimination games as the man and production on par with Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, and Spencer Hawes? Clearly, he is not the big game player he's hyped to be. I remember the way Duncan was absolutely crucified by the media for his 14/10/4 and 16/16/2 games, injured, against the Pistons in 05. Yet everyone blames Kobe's teammates when he doesn't come to play. Kobe's a hell of a player, but he is clearly not the guy you count on with your backs against the wall. Not a single one of those performances in elimination games would be considered a good much less great performance.


Now for Duncan:



Game 5 - 1998 WCSF (LOSS - Spurs 77, JAZZ 87)
14 pts, 11 reb, 0 ast, 2 blk, 0 stl, 3 to, 5-10FG

Game 4 - 2001 WCF (LOSS - Spurs 82, LAKERS 111)
15 pts, 7 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk, 0 stl, 0 to, 5-10FG

Game 5 - 2002 First Round (WIN - Sonics 78, SPURS 101)
23 pts, 9 reb, 3 ast, 7 blk, 0 stl, 2 to, 9-19 FG

Game 5 - 2002 WCSF (LOSS - Spurs 87, LAKERS 93)
35 points, 25 reb, 4 ast, 2 blk, 1 stl, 6 to, 11-23FG

Game 6 - 2004 WCSF (LOSS - Spurs 76, LAKERS 88)
20 points, 11 reb, 2 ast, 1 blk, 2 stl, 2 to, 7-18FG

Game 7 - 2005 Finals (WIN - Pistons 74, SPURS 81)
25 points, 11 reb, 3 ast, 2 blk, 0 stl, 5 tov, 10-27FG

Game 5 - 2006 WCSF (WIN - Mavs 97, SPURS 98)
36 points, 12 reb, 4 ast, 3 blk, 1 stl, 3 tov, 13-19 FG

Game 6 - 2006 WCSF (WIN - SPURS 91, Mavs 86)
24 points, 8 reb, 1 ast, 1 blk, 1 stl, 3 tov, 8-21FG

Game 7 - 2006 WCSF (LOSS - MAVS 119, Spurs 111)
41 points, 15 reb, 6 ast, 3 blk, 1 stl, 3 tov, 12-24FG

Game 6 - 2008 WCSF (WIN - Hornets 80, SPURS 99(
20 points, 15 reb, 6 ast, 2 blk, 0 stl, 1 tov, 7-14 FG

Game 7 - 2008 WCSF (WIN - SPURS 91, Hornets 82)
16 points, 14 reb, 3 ast, 0 blk, 1 stl, 4 tov, 5-17 FG

Game 5 - 2008 WCF (LOSS - Spurs 92, LAKERS 100)
19 points, 15 reb, 10 ast, 1 blk, 0 stl, 2 tov, 7-19FG

Game 5 - 2009 First Round (LOSS - MAVS 106, Sprus 93)
30 points, 8 reb, 1 ast, 2 blk, 1 stl, 0 tov, 14-21 FG

AVERAGES:
24.5 PPG
12.4 REBOUNDS
3.77 ASSISTS
46.7% FG%
0.62 STEALS
2.31 BLOCKS
2.62 TURNOVERS

RECORD: 6-7

PER: 28.3

Here's a list of players average PER this season in the 28.3 +/- 3.00 range: (had to expand the range to find comparisons, as there's no one in the 28.3 +/- 0.25 range)



RANK PLAYER PER
==== =============== =======
1 LeBron James 30.9
2 Chris Paul 30.5
3 Dwayne Wade 29.3
4 Dwight Howard 27.0





Yeah, I'll take Duncan over Kobe in a must-win any time.

[Jacko]

This is a really pathetic thread. Do you honestly not have anything better to do with your time baseline? Fuck you are a loser. Get a life kid.

Go outside. Fuck some pussy. Smoke some pot. Get drunk.

[baseline bum]

This is a really pathetic thread. Do you honestly not have anything better to do with your time baseline? Fuck you are a loser. Get a life kid.

Go outside. Fuck some pussy. Smoke some pot. Get drunk.

Go fuck your mother and then bend over for pops.

[jag]

This is a really pathetic thread. Do you honestly not have anything better to do with your time baseline? Fuck you are a loser. Get a life kid.

Go outside. Fuck some pussy. Smoke some pot. Get drunk.

:lmao lakerfan cant stand to see Kobe getting shit on with facts.

[baseline bum]

Duncan >>> Kobe with his back against the wall. That much is obvious to anyone who watched the games, but the stats were requested and point decisively towards the same conclusion.

[jag]

Lakerfan doesn't believe in facts...they believe in Kobe.

[baseline bum]

No snappy comeback, faggot Jacko? Did you knock back a few too many and then get knocked back in celebration in West Hollywood tonight?

[baseline bum]

Maybe refute the point instead of getting butthurt, you pussy troll Jacko.

[Jacko]

Why do you care about Kobe Bryant or Laker fans?

Is your team still in the playoffs? Is your team going to play LAL in the Finals?

[jag]

Kobe's on the decline and it's evident that Lakerfan is becoming increasingly sensitive to this subject. They're doing everything they can to hold on to "Kobe the best player in the league."

He's no longer the best, so now they call him "the best closer."

It's getting pathetic really.

[baseline bum]

Why do you care about Kobe Bryant or Laker fans?

Is your team still in the playoffs? Is your team going to play LAL in the Finals?

Ah, change the subject motherfucker. So is that the white flag? This thread is specifically about Kobe vs LeBron in elimination games, and then Duncan was added by request from a Lakerfan.

[cobbler]

Duncan >>> Kobe with his back against the wall. That much is obvious to anyone who watched the games, but the stats were requested and point decisively towards the same conclusion.

Kobe >>> Duncan in not allowing his team to be put in a elimination game in the first place.

Duncan has put his team in that position 13 times to Kobe's 6.

And it doesn't even matter just as most the posts by Baseline. Just pure garbage stats in trying to find someway to demean Kobe. Nothing more than insecure jealosy from an ignorant moron.

And if and when the Lakers win... you will see posts like... couldnt do it without Gasol, or LBJ had better numbers losing in the conference finals, or MJ still has 6 rings. He will come up with anything to misdirect the attention from the hardon he gets thinking about Kobe.

[Jacko]

Why do you care so much baseline? Answer the question.

You're a Spur fan. Your team is not in the playoffs anymore. Kobe Bryant and the Lakers have absolutely nothing to do with the team you root for. Why do you care so much? Why do you devote so much of your own life to hating a player who really has nothing to do with the Spurs at all?

[Jacko]

Kobe has fucked up a lot in his career, but he has never led the Lakers to a 1st round exit to the FUCKING DALLAS MAVERICKS IN DISGUSTING 4-1 FASHION LOSING THE SERIES ON HIS HOME FUCKING FLOOR.

[baseline bum]

Kobe >>> Duncan in not allowing his team to be put in a elimination game in the first place.

Duncan has put his team in that position 13 times to Kobe's 6.

And it doesn't even matter just as most the posts by Baseline. Just pure garbage stats in trying to find someway to demean Kobe. Nothing more than insecure jealosy from an ignorant moron.

And if and when the Lakers win... you will see posts like... couldnt do it without Gasol, or LBJ had better numbers losing in the conference finals, or MJ still has 6 rings. He will come up with anything to misdirect the attention from the hardon he gets thinking about Kobe.

You can't refute the point which is airtight, so you resort to namecalling. :lol White flag from you too I see. It's pretty hard to get more than 6 elimination games when you lose all but one of them.

[baseline bum]

Why do you care so much baseline? Answer the question.

You're a Spur fan. Your team is not in the playoffs anymore. Kobe Bryant and the Lakers have absolutely nothing to do with the team you root for. Why do you care so much? Why do you devote so much of your own life to hating a player who really has nothing to do with the Spurs at all?

I like the NBA first, Spurs second. I also hate seeing you ignorant fuck Laker fans ripping LeBron for his teammates not showing up the same way you used to rip Duncan. Especially when you come up with revisionist history like Kobe didn't get any support in the Denver series, that his cast was dogshit last year, and so on.

[Jacko]

I like the NBA first, Spurs second. I also hate seeing you ignorant fuck Laker fans ripping LeBron for his teammates not showing up the same way you used to rip Duncan. Especially when you come up with revisionist history like Kobe didn't get any support in the Denver series, that his cast was dogshit last year, and so on.

:lmao grab some tampons you vagina. Fuck you are emo.

[cobbler]

You can't refute the point which is airtight, so you resort to namecalling. :lol White flag from you too I see. It's pretty hard to get more than 6 elimination games when you lose all but one of them.

Well your boys did it!!!!! Thanks for making the point. Your team, as your own stats show, have been in more than double(13) the Lakers and lost 2 more.

[baseline bum]

:lmao grab some tampons you vagina. Fuck you are emo.

There's the douchebag Jacko we're all used to, who cries like a 12 year-old because his logical capacities are those of an 8 year-old.

[baseline bum]

Well your boys did it!!!!! Thanks for making the point. Your team, as your own stats show, have been in more than double(13) the Lakers and lost 2 more.

So 1-5 > 6-7. Gotcha.

[Jacko]

14 > 4

Lakers OWN Spurs in the playoffs

Spurs = DONE. NO MORE RINGS.
Lakers = NEW DYNASTY FORMING AGAIN.

Spur Fan = Pathetic loser with no life other than desperately trying to find ways to chip at Kobe because his own team is so pathetic they aren't worth talking about anymore.
Laker Fan = Laughing his ass off at how pathetic Kobe Hater Spur fans are.

[baseline bum]

14 > 4

Lakers OWN Spurs in the playoffs

Spurs = DONE. NO MORE RINGS.
Lakers = NEW DYNASTY FORMING AGAIN.

Spur Fan = Pathetic loser with no life other than desperately trying to find ways to chip at Kobe because his own team is so pathetic they aren't worth talking about anymore.
Laker Fan = Laughing his ass off at how pathetic Kobe Hater Spur fans are.

Never realized Kobe won 14 rings. By himself, right? Just like this whole playoffs?

[KidCongo]

LeBron has for the most part been playing out of his mind in these playoffs.

But as far as his FG shooting goes, I'm with Stan Van Gundy on this one. Anytime LeBron is in the paint or misses a shot, he's going to the free throw line. Now, he's also made some ridiculously difficult shots in this playoff run. But, if we're just talking about his FG%, that's greatly helped by the fact that he's going to the free throw line 14 times a game. Those missed shots when he "gets" the foul, don't count against his FG%.

For everything else, LeBron deserves all the praise he gets. He's been phenomenal. But, I wouldn't give him too much credit for his FG%.

Comparing statistics from this year to last year.

2008-13 games played
Field Goals Made/Attempted 113/275 .411%
Free Throws Made/Attempted 122/167 .731%

2009-13 games played so far
Field Goals Made/Attempted 151/292 .517%
Free Throws Made/Attempted 142/188 .755%

Now LeBron is attempting 1.6 more FT's per game in 2009 compared to 2008. Add 10 more shot attempts (1.6 close enough to 2 free throws, so 10 missed shots) and LeBron is shooting exactly 50%.

He is shooting much better these playoffs than the year 2008. I haven't got a series against Orlando from 2008 to compare just that series against so we have to look at the whole playoffs.

[cobbler]

So 1-5 > 6-7. Gotcha.

Yes. Unless of course you dont think being taken to an elimination game a bad thing. It tells me the spurs let themselves get taken to that point a lot more and pulled out some that were not even supposed to get there. It tells me the Lakers took better care of business earlier in the series and didnt get to an elimination. Would you not say that a team that swept all four rounds would be superior to one that won all four rounds in 7th games? They both won the title but one had 4 elimination games. The other cruised.

Its all BS anyway just like the majority of your posts. You just try to diminish the Lakers accomplishments by finding obsecure BS stats that really do nothing but show your hatred and jealosy. Fact is, the Lakers are in the Finals and have a chance for #15 and your team is sitting home with 0 chance of #5. You can hate all you want, we will just party!!!!!!!

[JamStone]

I'm still trying to get an explanation as to how LeBron has been "excellent" in all elimination games he's played in but 1. Can someone tell me how he was excellent in game 7 of the 2006 playoff series against Detroit?

[TheMACHINE]

I rather be in only 6 elimination games then in 13. Thats for sure.

[TheMACHINE]

I'm still trying to get an explanation as to how LeBron has been "excellent" in all elimination games he's played in but 1. Can someone tell me how he was excellent in game 7 of the 2006 playoff series against Detroit?

also..who cares about elimination game stats. The more games you play, the more it shows that you cant finish your opponent right away.

[JamStone]

Actually Kobe has been in 11 elimination games in his career. Kobe haters only want to talk about Kobe without Shaq, yet baseline bum adds two elimination games "with" Shaq to skew even more his already skewed argument. Without Shaq, Kobe is 1 and 3 in four elimination games in the last four post seasons. He's really only played poorly in one of them.

Kobe actually was playing well in game 7 of the 06 Phoenix series when he quit on his team in the second half. He played poorly in the 07 Phoenix series but still dropped 34 points on horrible shooting. He didn't play well last year in game 6 of the NBA Finals but that game was over before it even started. When a team routs another team by that much and that early, you can't really take anything significant from looking at individual performances by the losing team. The whole team had to have sucked and trying to climb out of a huge deficit is going to lead to bad performances. And, while he didn't shoot the ball well, he played a good all around game in game 7 last series against the Rockets.

[Donkeybong]

this whole elimination game argument is dumb

[baseline bum]

Yes. Unless of course you dont think being taken to an elimination game a bad thing. It tells me the spurs let themselves get taken to that point a lot more and pulled out some that were not even supposed to get there. It tells me the Lakers took better care of business earlier in the series and didnt get to an elimination. Would you not say that a team that swept all four rounds would be superior to one that won all four rounds in 7th games? They both won the title but one had 4 elimination games. The other cruised.

Its all BS anyway just like the majority of your posts. You just try to diminish the Lakers accomplishments by finding obsecure BS stats that really do nothing but show your hatred and jealosy. Fact is, the Lakers are in the Finals and have a chance for #15 and your team is sitting home with 0 chance of #5. You can hate all you want, we will just party!!!!!!!

Um, what? I don't get this point at all. It would make sense if the Lakers had actually won a decent percentage of some of those games, but right now your argument basically says it's better to lose game 5 with a 3-1 deficit than to win games 5 and 6 force a game 7 from down 3-1. LMAO that you want to talk about the Spurs getting taken to elimination games that they shouldn't have when Kobe needed to go to 7 to beat a weak Houston team missing its two best players and blew a 3-1 series lead to Phoenix minus its second-best player.

I only included elimination games since Kobe has taken over as option #1, but, since I'm being called out for them, if you include the ones he rode Shaq's coattails Kobe is 4-8 in elimination games. (Losses to Utah in 97 and 98, SA in 99, wins over Sac in 00, Portland in 00, and Sac in 02). So now the argument is going to be 4-8 > 6-7 ?

[baseline bum]

Actually Kobe has been in 11 elimination games in his career. Kobe haters only want to talk about Kobe without Shaq, yet baseline bum adds two elimination games "with" Shaq to skew even more his already skewed argument. Without Shaq, Kobe is 1 and 3 in four elimination games in the last four post seasons. He's really only played poorly in one of them.

Kobe actually was playing well in game 7 of the 06 Phoenix series when he quit on his team in the second half. He played poorly in the 07 Phoenix series but still dropped 34 points on horrible shooting. He didn't play well last year in game 6 of the NBA Finals but that game was over before it even started. When a team routs another team by that much and that early, you can't really take anything significant from looking at individual performances by the losing team. The whole team had to have sucked and trying to climb out of a huge deficit is going to lead to bad performances. And, while he didn't shoot the ball well, he played a good all around game in game 7 last series against the Rockets.

My argument was strictly about since Kobe became the #1 option: the player carrying the team, which he obviously took over in 2002-03 with Shaq sitting out and getting his surgery on "company time" to begin the season. That looks like 3 crappy games out of 4 if you count Houston game 7 as a good showing.

[JamStone]

Um, what? I don't get this point at all. It would make sense if the Lakers had actually won a decent percentage of some of those games, but right now your argument basically says it's better to lose game 5 with a 3-1 deficit than to win games 5 and 6 force a game 7 from down 3-1. LMAO that you want to talk about the Spurs getting taken to elimination games that they shouldn't have when Kobe needed to go to 7 to beat a weak Houston team missing its two best players and blew a 3-1 series lead to Phoenix minus its second-best player.

LeBron is 1-3 in elimination games and yet you are touting him for being "excellent" in elimination games.



I only included elimination games since Kobe has taken over as option #1, but, since I'm being called out for them, if you include the ones he rode Shaq's coattails Kobe is 4-9 in elimination games. (Losses to Utah in 97 and 98, SA in 99, wins over Sac in 00, Portland in 00, and Sac in 02). So now the argument is going to be 4-9 > 6-7 ?

To be fair, I think I'll include Kobe's record and stats "since he took over as the #1 option" in close out games in the playoffs, where the Lakers had the opportunity to win a playoff series.

Since (and including) the 2003 playoffs, Kobe is averaging 31.2 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 5.5 apg, on 49.9% FG shooting in 15 playoff series close out games, and the Lakers' record in those games is 10-5. These stats and record includes the three games lost in 2006 against the Phoenix Suns when the Lakers were up 3-1 and lost the last three games.

A lot of times, when a team is in an elimination game, they are playing a team that is as good or better than them. Shit, Michael Jordan was 4-9 in playoff elimination games. Kobe hasn't done really well in elimination games in terms of winning those games. That's most players. When teams are on the brink of elimination unless it's a game 7, it's against a good team that's playing well.

But, with all this Kobe bashing, I think it's fair to also show why Kobe is consider such a cold blooded killer. Look how well he plays and how his play helps his team win in close-out games when it's time to shut the door on an opponent.

[JamStone]

My argument was strictly about since Kobe became the #1 option: the player carrying the team, which he obviously took over in 2002-03 with Shaq sitting out and getting his surgery on "company time" to begin the season. That looks like 3 crappy games out of 4 if you count Houston game 7 as a good showing.

Then why is LeBron "excellent" in (you say three of four) elimination games when he's 1-3 in those games? Be consistent.

Kobe was having a very good game in game 7 of the 2006 when he got pissed at Phil Jackson for telling him to pass the ball more. 50% shooting from the field and the three point line and 24 points with hardly even shooting it in the second half. He quit on his team because he was pissed. Quitting doesn't mean he was having a crappy game. He got pissed at Phil and his teammates and quit on the team. Unacceptable, but not a crappy game for Kobe.

In game 5 of the 2007 Phoenix series, Kobe didn't shoot the ball well but he still put up 34 points. If LeBron did that, you'd applaud him for going down trying.

In the 2004 and 2008 NBA Finals, the last two games of those series (you did ignore game 5 of last year's Final where Kobe and the Lakers staved off elimination) were blow-outs. When a team beats another team like in those two games in the way they blew the Lakers out, you can't really look at individual performances on the losing team because the whole team sucked and they were playing catch up. But, fine, you can have those two games and say Kobe played crappy even though the whole team played like shit.

[gaKNOW!blee]

Im sorry but if you quit on your team in a game, that means you had a bad game.

[JamStone]

Sure, a bad game. But he didn't choke. He didn't play crappy. He didn't suck. That's the suggestion. That he played poorly, that he sucked. He didn't play poorly. He got pissed and quit on his team. Again, it's unacceptable. But, he wasn't playing poorly and he didn't suck.

[JamStone]

I'm still waiting (for quite a while now) for baseline bum to explain how LeBron was "excellent" in game 7 of the 2006 playoff series against the Pistons. I have yet to get a response to that, and I've asked multiple times.

[mingus]

Kobe has fucked up a lot in his career, but he has never led the Lakers to a 1st round exit to the FUCKING DALLAS MAVERICKS IN DISGUSTING 4-1 FASHION LOSING THE SERIES ON HIS HOME FUCKING FLOOR.

what purpose does this statement even serve ? this is stupid .

Duncan was the leader and best player on 4 championship teams . he's done more than enough in his career to be considered a better player than Kobe is up to this point ... there's really no debate over that . :rolleyes

[mingus]

and didn't Kobe even miss the playoffs one year (o4-05) ? how is that better than losing to a Mavericks team 1-4 ?

man, some people are retarded . :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Career wise:

Duncan > Kobe > Lebron

Present day:

Lebron > Kobe > Duncan

[Jacko]

Again what is the point of this thread?

Is this where Spur fans find satisfaction now that your team has no realistic chance of ever winning another NBA title?

You guys remind of San Francisco fans and their irrational hatred of LA. Their teams are such utter shit year in and year out the only thing they have to live for is watching successful SoCal sports franchises lose.

[baseline bum]

I'm still waiting (for quite a while now) for baseline bum to explain how LeBron was "excellent" in game 7 of the 2006 playoff series against the Pistons. I have yet to get a response to that, and I've asked multiple times.

27,8, and 2 on 46% shooting is a pretty good showing I'd say. Not his fault the rest of his team didn't show up. Why can we excuse shit performances from Kobe when his teammates blow, and then not count an efficient performance from LeBron when he gets a worse showing out of his supporting cast than Kobe has ever gotten?

[Jacko]

Take note, Spur fans.


Lakers v. Spurs playoff history

Since 1982, the Lakers have faced the Spurs 11 times in the playoffs, winning eight times and holding an overall edge in games. The Lakers are 4-0 against the Spurs in the conference final, winning 16 of the 19 games played.

1982...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-0
1983...Conference Final...Lakers ... 4-2
1986...First round.............Lakers ...3-0
1988...First round ............Lakers ...3-0
1995...Second round .......Spurs ..... 2-4
1999*...Second round*......Spurs ..... 0-4
2001...Conference Final...Lakers.....4-0
2002...Second round .......Lakers.....4-1
2003...Second round .......Spurs ..... 2-4
2004...Second round........Lakers.... 4-2
2008...Conference Final....Lakers....4-1

:wow Wow, it's more dominating than anyone could have imagined. The Spurs should pray not to face the lakers in the Playoffs and definitely not in the 1st round or the Conference Finals where THEY ARE WINLESS!

[mingus]

Career wise:

Duncan > Kobe > Lebron

Present day:

Lebron > Kobe > Duncan

agree .

but in last minute of close game :

Kobe>Duncan>Lebron

although , you can argue the Duncan/Kobe

Duncan has definitely hit his fair share of unbelievably clutch shots (2004 , which preceded the ".4" shot :depressed , and also the dagger against Phoenix last year - sorry about the reminder :lol) .

[baseline bum]

Then why is LeBron "excellent" in (you say three of four) elimination games when he's 1-3 in those games? Be consistent.

Kobe was having a very good game in game 7 of the 2006 when he got pissed at Phil Jackson for telling him to pass the ball more. 50% shooting from the field and the three point line and 24 points with hardly even shooting it in the second half. He quit on his team because he was pissed. Quitting doesn't mean he was having a crappy game. He got pissed at Phil and his teammates and quit on the team. Unacceptable, but not a crappy game for Kobe.

In game 5 of the 2007 Phoenix series, Kobe didn't shoot the ball well but he still put up 34 points. If LeBron did that, you'd applaud him for going down trying.

In the 2004 and 2008 NBA Finals, the last two games of those series (you did ignore game 5 of last year's Final where Kobe and the Lakers staved off elimination) were blow-outs. When a team beats another team like in those two games in the way they blew the Lakers out, you can't really look at individual performances on the losing team because the whole team sucked and they were playing catch up. But, fine, you can have those two games and say Kobe played crappy even though the whole team played like shit.

Kobe quitting on his team should be held up as a good game? So the time he puts up decent stats he throws the game. You're right about game 5 of the Finals last year; I forgot about that one, as I was thinking the huge choke was in game 5 and not 4. He had 5 steals and 7 boards, but still shot 38% in it.

[JamStone]

27,8, and 2 on 46% shooting is a pretty good showing I'd say. Not his fault the rest of his team didn't show up. Why can we excuse shit performances from Kobe when his teammates blow, and then not count an efficient performance from LeBron when he gets a worse showing out of his supporting cast than Kobe has ever gotten?

I'm so glad you finally responded to this issue. And, I'm even happier you proved my point of just looking at those box score stats without really knowing what happened in the game.

Game 7 of the Pistons-Cavs series in 2006.

Two point difference at half time. LeBron had scored 21 of his points on 10-for15 shooting in the first half.

LeBron went 1-for-9 from the field in the second half. That two point Pistons lead ended up being an 18 point win for the Pistons. LeBron had two turnovers and zero assists in the second half. Did I mention he went 1-for-9 from the field in the second half? In a two point game.

You think anyone in the world who actually watched that game, especially the entire game to see how ineffective James was in the second half of this game 7 said James had an "excellent" game as you have so inaccurately suggested?

But, in your Kobe hate tirade, you failed to do your homework properly when suggesting LeBron has been "excellent" in all but one elimination game.

Good talk.

[baseline bum]

For the record, Kobe is a great fucking player and an obvious first ballot hall of famer, but no way am I taking him over LeBron or Duncan when my team is 48 minutes from elimination.

[JamStone]

Kobe quitting on his team should be held up as a good game?

No, absolutely not. But, it should not be classified as him "sucking" or him playing poorly. In this thread, you've said Kobe "sucked" in elimination games. It's not that he sucked. He was playing fine. He quit. He quit out of frustration with his teammates and being upset at Phil. No, it wasn't a good game for Kobe obviously. But, he wasn't performing poorly. That is your whole point in this Kobe hate thread. That he sucks in elimination games. He didn't in that particular game.



So the time he puts up decent stats he throws the game. You're right about game 5 of the Finals last year; I forgot about that one, as I was thinking the huge choke was in game 5 and not 4. He had 5 steals and 7 boards, but still shot 38% in it.

[JamStone]

For the record, Kobe is a great fucking player and an obvious first ballot hall of famer, but no way am I taking him over LeBron or Duncan when my team is 48 minutes from elimination.

Because the 1-3 record LeBron boasts in elimination games gives you a better sense of confidence?

[mingus]

Take note, Spur fans.



the asterisk thing is retarded , only brought up sore losers , who can't man up to a loss :lol ...

and i could care less how many times LA beat the Spurs . Spurs got LA twice , the second time ending a fraudulent dynasty , and getting to see Kobe and Fisher cry :lol

[JamStone]

I guess baseline bum would only take Kobe over Duncan in an elimination game if they were facing each other, since Kobe is 4-2 in playoffs series against Duncan.

[baseline bum]

I'm so glad you finally responded to this issue. And, I'm even happier you proved my point of just looking at those box score stats without really knowing what happened in the game.

Game 7 of the Pistons-Cavs series in 2006.

Two point difference at half time. LeBron had scored 21 of his points on 10-for15 shooting in the first half.

LeBron went 1-for-9 from the field in the second half. That two point Pistons lead ended up being an 18 point win for the Pistons. LeBron had two turnovers and zero assists in the second half. Did I mention he went 1-for-9 from the field in the second half? In a two point game.

You think anyone in the world who actually watched that game, especially the entire game to see how ineffective James was in the second half of this game 7 said James had an "excellent" game as you have so inaccurately suggested?

But, in your Kobe hate tirade, you failed to do your homework properly when suggesting LeBron has been "excellent" in all but one elimination game.

Good talk.

So having a bad second half shooting the ball is equivalent to just laying down and dying in the second half?

[JamStone]

So having a bad second half shooting the ball is equivalent to just laying down and dying in the second half?

You know damn well that's not what I just argued.

You specifically stated LeBron has been "excellent" in elimination games except one time. I brought up this game specifically to refute that. Unless you call that game an "excellent" performance by LeBron James, you should have not responded again with a tangental argument and taken your medicine like a good kid.

[baseline bum]

I guess baseline bum would only take Kobe over Duncan in an elimination game if they were facing each other, since Kobe is 4-2 in playoffs series against Duncan.

If Kobe had Shaq with him, then yes. I'd pick him to win it.

[JamStone]

If Kobe had Shaq with him, then yes. I'd pick him to win it.

Kobe 1-0 against Duncan in the playoffs without Shaq.

[Jacko]

Kobe doesn't need Shaq to face fuck Duncan as he proved last year.

Duncan = Laker's Bitch

[baseline bum]

Kobe doesn't need Shaq to face fuck Duncan as he proved last year.

Duncan = Laker's Bitch

Yeah, he needs Manu to get hurt and Joey Crawford to hand him a game.

[Allanon]

Alot of Kobe perceptions will change when he gets his 4th ring...that's a pretty huge milestone in his career.


If Kobe can get his 5th and 6th, he'll solidify his place as one of the game's Greatest.

[Jacko]

DUNCAN = KOBE BRYANT'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POP = PHIL JACKSON'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao

[JamStone]

Michael Jordan 4-9 in playoff elimination games in his career.

He was a bum!

[gaKNOW!blee]

DUNCAN = KOBE BRYANT'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POP = PHIL JACKSON'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050623/050623_spurs_celebrate_vmed_10pm.widec.jpg

http://www.usatoday.com/gallery/nbafinals/06shaq.jpg

[DPG21920]

DUNCAN = KOBE BRYANT'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POP = PHIL JACKSON'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao

This is the level of posting that surely endears Spurs fans at SpursTalk to Laker "fans"; I mean Kobe fans

[Jacko]

How will Spur fan survive if the Lakers win and Kobe gets his ring without Shaq?

THEY WILL BE DEVASTATED. THEIR ENTIRE PURPOSE IN LIFE, TO HATE ON BRYANT, WILL HAVE LITTLE VALUE.

[mingus]

DUNCAN = KOBE BRYANT'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POP = PHIL JACKSON'S BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao

i'll admit to that , but LA was the Spurs bitch twice (and it ain't over yet :nope), and that gives me enough satisfaction . :lol

[JamStone]

It hurts a little more because the Spurs fan base was split last year over who they didn't want to win a title, KG or Kobe. Probably about half didn't want KG to win one more than they didn't want Kobe to win one without Shaq. But, all of those who didn't want KG to win one shifted over to not wanting Kobe to win one once KG got his. So if it happens, that's two years in a row players they don't like will have taken the title. It's painful for them.

I understand it though. It killed me to see Jordan win a title. And, then he had to go up and win 6 of them in 8 years. It hurts to see a player you despise succeed. But, Spurs fans will be fine.

I actually want the Lakers to win a title because I like them and I like Kobe. But, the only thing that gives me hesitation is knowing how obnoxiously annoying Laker fans are and will be if it happens.

[mingus]

http://nbcsportsmedia.msnbc.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050623/050623_spurs_celebrate_vmed_10pm.widec.jpg

http://www.usatoday.com/gallery/nbafinals/06shaq.jpg


thank you ... only person that actually struck fear into Spurs fans + was responsible for Spurs' ownage was Shaq , who was ultimately the reason the Spurs lost all those times , and whose coattails Phil and Kobe road to three consecutive (but that's debatable :lol ) titles .

[Jacko]

thank you ... only person that actually struck fear into Spurs fans + was responsible for Spurs' ownage was Shaq , who was ultimately the reason the Spurs lost all those times , and whose coattails Phil and Kobe road to three consecutive (but that's debatable :lol ) titles .

2002 NBA WC Semifinals
The Spurs led going into the fourth quarter of all five games, yet were able to win only one.

Kobe Bryant would pace Los Angeles to two crucial victories in the Alamodome with 31 points in Game 3 and a go-ahead game winning bucket in Game 4, and would offset the steady production of Tim Duncan (who had a double double in all 5 games including 34 points and 25 rebounds in the series finale) with his fourth quarter heroics.

[mingus]

2002 NBA WC Semifinals
The Spurs led going into the fourth quarter of all five games, yet were able to win only one.

Kobe Bryant would pace Los Angeles to two crucial victories in the Alamodome with 31 points in Game 3 and a go-ahead game winning bucket in Game 4, and would offset the steady production of Tim Duncan (who had a double double in all 5 games including 34 points and 25 rebounds in the series finale) with his fourth quarter heroics.


it was still Shaq who put Kobe in position to do all that , similar to how Gasol does now for him , although Shaq did it to a greater degree , obviously . plus , the rest of the team benefited more from Shaq than Kobe , namely Derek Fisher and Horry , who shot amazing percentages from three ... Kobe is an unbeilievable closer , but he has historically needed a big to play with for it to even matter (w/o one he just gives up ie against the Suns because they're not even within striking distance) , unlike Lebron , who can pretty much stay with any team while having trash for bigs .

there's a reason Kobe didn't to shit to SA once Shaq left , up until last year , but even then Manu was injured so SA didn't have the scoring to keep up with Kobe in the 4th. :wakeup

[DrHouse]

it was still Shaq who put Kobe in position to do all that , similar to how Gasol does now for him , although Shaq did it to a greater degree , obviously . plus , the rest of the team benefited more from Shaq than Kobe , namely Derek Fisher and Horry , who shot amazing percentages from three ... Kobe is an unbeilievable closer , but he has historically needed a big to play with for it to even matter (w/o one he just gives up ie against the Suns because they're not even within striking distance) , unlike Lebron , who can pretty much stay with any team while having trash for bigs .

there's a reason Kobe didn't to shit to SA once Shaq left , up until last year , but even then Manu was injured so SA didn't have the scoring to keep up with Kobe . :wakeup

:lmao at your pathetic backtracking. You got OWNED little boy, now run along and go play with your Sean Elliott bobblehead.

[mingus]

:lmao at your pathetic backtracking. You got OWNED little boy, now run along and go play with your Sean Elliott bobblehead.

Perv. lol little boy

[cobbler]

Mingus with possibly 2 or 3 of the dumbest posts of the year. Shaq doesnt do shit without Kobe and kobe doesn't without Shaq. And neither win a title without Fox, Horry, Shaw, Fish, Harper etc.

Thats why its a TEAM game.

Same goes for your Spurs too.

It amazes me after all these years that people still post this drivel. Haters, they gotta hate....

[mingus]

Mingus with possibly 2 or 3 of the dumbest posts of the year. Shaq doesnt do shit without Kobe and kobe doesn't without Shaq. And neither win a title without Fox, Horry, Shaw, Fish, Harper etc.

Thats why its a TEAM game.

Same goes for your Spurs too.

It amazes me after all these years that people still post this drivel. Haters, they gotta hate....

Shaq doesn't do shit w/o Kobe ?

championship = shit ?!?! :rollin

[cobbler]

Shaq doesn't do shit w/o Kobe ?

championship = shit ?!?! :rollin

Did you even watch that series? Shaq hopped on D.Wades coatails to the championship and anybody who actually did watch knows it. So what are you going to say when Kobe ends up with 5 or 6 and Shaq with 4? Ohhh kobe couldnt do it without Gasol or something idiotic along those lines?

What a friggen moron.:bang

[mingus]

Did you even watch that series? Shaq hopped on D.Wades coatails to the championship and anybody who actually did watch knows it. So what are you going to say when Kobe ends up with 5 or 6 and Shaq with 4? Ohhh kobe couldnt do it without Gasol or something idiotic along those lines?

What a friggen moron.:bang

Shaq facilitated the offense for everyone else on those Lakers teams at a time when Kobe had no clue what team ball was and was strictly a scorer . Fish, Shaw, Harper , Fox , Horry - the guys you mentioned before - all played off of Shaq . Shaq orchestrated that offense , and gave Kobe the opportunity to mean anything in the 4th . when Shaq left , LA was shit for three years , until Kobe got better players and he became a better playmaker .

[mingus]

Mingus with possibly 2 or 3 of the dumbest posts of the year. Shaq doesnt do shit without Kobe and kobe doesn't without Shaq. And neither win a title without Fox, Horry, Shaw, Fish, Harper etc.

Thats why its a TEAM game.

Same goes for your Spurs too.

It amazes me after all these years that people still post this drivel. Haters, they gotta hate....

anyways , i never said one would win a ring without the other as the main guy on those Lakers teams , but ... Shaq w/o Kobe on those LA teams would be far scarier than Kobe without Shaq ... that's pretty much how i'd measure which was more important to his team . which is why i've been saying all along that Shaq was the guy every team worried about . he was the head of the snake .

[cobbler]

anyways , i never said one would win a ring without the other as the main guy on those Lakers teams , but ... Shaq w/o Kobe on those LA teams would be far scarier than Kobe without Shaq ... that's pretty much how i'd measure which was more important to his team . which is why i've been saying all along that Shaq was the guy every team worried about . he was the head of the snake .

Well, apparently you didnt watch too many playoff games with your onw team either because it was Kobe who owned the Spurs.

And what a revelation!!! The Center being the center of the offense!

Enough of YOU. How many times do we have to go down this path? Shaq was a great player on those teams. So was Kobe. They dont win squat without the other. Get over it.

[mingus]

So what are you going to say when Kobe ends up with 5 or 6 and Shaq with 4? Ohhh kobe couldnt do it without Gasol or something idiotic along those lines?

What a friggen moron.:bang

i said this in another post :

" it was still Shaq who put Kobe in position to do all that (*meaning , take over in the 4th) , similar to how Gasol does now for him , although Shaq did it to a greater degree , obviously ."

Kobe is obviously more valuable to his team than Gasol because Gasol's impact isn't anywhere near Shaq's ... Gasol doesn't dominate the ball as much as Shaq , it runs mostly through Kobe . Shaq is only similar to Gasol in that Kobe probably wouldn't win w/o him , but at the same time there's no question his impact is less than Shaq's , and Kobe is the head of the snake ... you're assumption that i would say "Kobe wouldn't win without Gasol" is wrong ...

[mingus]

Well, apparently you didnt watch too many playoff games with your onw team either because it was Kobe who owned the Spurs.

And what a revelation!!! The Center being the center of the offense!

Enough of YOU. How many times do we have to go down this path? Shaq was a great player on those teams. So was Kobe. They dont win squat without the other. Get over it.

never said Kobe didn't play extremely well against the Spurs , or that they didn't need eachother in LA , but that doesn't mean they had a 50-50 share in the team success . Kobe was less important than Shaq . it was more like 60-40 or 70-30 . get over it .

[BadOdor]

LEbron didn't do to well in today's elimination game, now did he?

[JamStone]

Take a note, baseline bum.

[BadOdor]

Take a note, baseline bum.

Jamstone laying down the smackdown!

[Killakobe81]

Well OBVIOUSLY Lebron didn't take NOTES on how to play down the the stretch of a conference Finals

[baseline bum]

He Kobe'd game 6.

[BadOdor]

He Kobe'd game 6.

He wishes he did.

Kobe game 6: 35 points, 10 assists, 6 rebounds on 60% from the field.

[Killakobe81]

He Kobe'd game 6.

Dude show more class than Lebron.
Admit you were wrong ...at least for this season.
You made a premature post. It was an epic fail.
And on top of it all Lebron went straight to the bus to cry it out instead of having the heart and class to face the media after a poor close. Like the man you criticized in your post you show up face the media win or lose. He showed up kicked asss and is in the Finals...Lebron finished poor and could not face the music after ...
Try and be a bigger man that that baseline!
Bowen is at least classy in defeat so far you are not ...

[ginobili's bald spot]

I didn't think it was possible but this thread looks even more dumb now. Nice job OP. :lol

[jcrod]

thank you ... only person that actually struck fear into Spurs fans + was responsible for Spurs' ownage was Shaq , who was ultimately the reason the Spurs lost all those times , and whose coattails Phil and Kobe road to three consecutive (but that's debatable :lol ) titles .

You have no idea what you're talking about. Kobe was the main player for the Spurs losing to the Lakers no Shaq. And Wade was the reasoning they won the title with the Heat not Shaq.