Take a note, Kobe

[baseline bum]

In an elimination game:

http://lebronjamesdunks.net/gallery/Lebron%20James%20Gallery%2011.jpg

37 points (on 46% shooting)
17 in the fourth quarter
15 rebounds
12 assists

M-V-P

[BRHornet45]

son I think you mean 22 points .... he only scored 22 legit points. the refs put him at the free throw line 19 times resulting in 15 FREEBIE points to help inflate his scoring numbers.

[Dim Tuncan]

19 FTs.

[JamStone]

Really great performance by LBJ. Got his teammates involved early and completely took over in the fourth. Good job, LeBron.

[baseline bum]

Like when Kobe shot 17 to squeak out the win in game 3? Even if you don't count any of his points from free throws, he still had by far a better game than Kobe has EVER had in a must-win situation since becoming the #1 guy in LA.

[JamStone]

LeBron did get some help, but superstars often do, especially at home.

What I don't get is why baseline bum has to bash Kobe. What's the point? LeBron played great. Has nothing to do with Kobe except you feel like you need to hate on him just because.

[baseline bum]

LeBron did get some help, but superstars often do, especially at home.

What I don't get is why baseline bum has to bash Kobe. What's the point? LeBron played great. Has nothing to do with Kobe except you feel like you need to hate on him just because.

Because Kobe sucks in elimination games and Laker fans should see how a real superstar carries his team in a must-win.

[ginobili's bald spot]

That "real superstar" is about to get knocked out of the playoffs. BTW how is the fishing this time of year spur fan?

[JamStone]

Because Kobe sucks in elimination games and Laker fans should see how a real superstar carries his team in a must-win.

Kobe to LeBron and baseline bum: Take a note LeBron. My team is up 3-to-2 in the conference finals and your team is down 3-to-2 in the conference finals.

[baseline bum]

That "real superstar" is about to get knocked out of the playoffs. BTW how is the fishing this time of year spur fan?

When Kobe had a cast like LeBron's the best he did was get knocked out in the first.

[baseline bum]

Kobe to LeBron and baseline bum: Take a note LeBron. My team is up 3-to-2 in the conference finals and your team is down 3-to-2 in the conference finals.

Yeah, with Gasol, Odom, and Bynum, all of whom would be the second best player on the Cavs. And Ariza, who'd be the Cavs third best player.

[Dim Tuncan]

Kobe to LeBron and baseline bum: Take a note LeBron. My team is up 3-to-2 in the conference finals and your team is down 3-to-2 in the conference finals.

What did JamStone's fingers say to baseline bum's face?

-+=*SLAP*=+-

I'm JamStone, bitch.

[baseline bum]

Switch LeBron and Kobe and the Lakers beat Denver in 5 max.

[Jacko]

You really are obsessed with Kobe aren't you? I see you poke shots at the guy in just about every thread you can. It's obvious your lashing out at him in response to some deep seeded anger you have. Seek professional help.

At the end of the day, Kobe's team is up 3-2 with HCA to close out the series. YOUR team is currently fishing and likely will never see the NBA Finals ever again in the near future. But go ahead and talk shit if it makes you feel better.

[baseline bum]

All your dick sucking of James is still not going to save their ass from choking.

So what's Kobe been like in elimination games since taking over?

[baseline bum]

You really are obsessed with Kobe aren't you? I see you poke shots at the guy in just about every thread you can. It's obvious your lashing out at him in response to some deep seeded anger you have. Seek professional help.

At the end of the day, Kobe's team is up 3-2 with HCA to close out the series. YOUR team is currently fishing and likely will never see the NBA Finals ever again in the near future. But go ahead and talk shit if it makes you feel better.

LeBron >> Kobe in a must-win.

[j.dizzle]

hahaha wheres the part where CLE has blown three 20 point leads at home????

[Udokafan05]

It will take HCA for kobe to close out a series.

[La Peace]

Cool

[Dim Tuncan]

LeBron >> Kobe in a must-win.

Yeah, he looked great in those must-wins against the Pistons in 2006, the Spurs in 2007 and Boston in 2008.

[baseline bum]

Hes been pretty good against your beloved Spurs. For a player and team that you guys thought would get pounded on by the Thuggets, Kobe is doing just fine... much better than your beloved James.

Who would you rather have in a game with your back against the wall? Bryant or James?

[baseline bum]

Yeah, he looked great in those must-wins against the Pistons in 2006, the Spurs in 2007 and Boston in 2008.

You mean when he scored 45 on the Celtics in their arena in game 7? He did look pretty great in that must-win. :tu

[Jacko]

Do you think any Laker fans care that LBJ is putting up better stats than Kobe?

:lmao that's precious kid.

All we care about is for LAL to get a ring. I laugh at morons like you who are so utterly obsessed with Kobe that your entire life revolves around seeing him fail. You have low self-esteem baseline.

[JamStone]

When Kobe had a cast like LeBron's the best he did was get knocked out in the first.

LeBron doesn't have a lot of help. That's definitely true. But, I think you forget how bad Kobe's teammates were in 2005-06 and 2006-07.

Lamar Odom is a good player. The rest of the supporting cast that were in the regular rotation: Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Maurice Evans, Vladimir Radmanovic. Smush, Walton, and Kwame were starters for much of those two years.

In the Western Conference.

At least LeBron has been given consistent three point shooting with his supporting cast. He's also been given tough big men who aren't afraid to bang. And, while they are older and not the same players they used to be, LeBron has teammates that have been all star talents and starters on great teams. Kobe's teammates those two years were neither talented nor experienced nor former winners. And again, in the Western Conference.

[Dim Tuncan]

Do you think any Laker fans care that LBJ is putting up better stats than Kobe?

:lmao that's precious kid.

All we care about is for LAL to get a ring. I laugh at morons like you who are so utterly obsessed with Kobe that your entire life revolves around seeing him fail. You have low self-esteem baseline.

I'm a Spurs fan but I'm getting sick of that faggot's schtick too.

For me it's about how my team does. I really don't care about any one players stats or legacy... Well OK I care about legacies, but the team always comes first.

When I read that disgusting faggot freak baseline bum's inane bullshit about Kobe or LeBron, it just reminds me of some 12 year old Stone Cold Steve Austin fan talking shit on the Undertaker. He should go find a WWE forum, since he obviously likes the "good guy, bad guy" aspect of sports and not the game itself.

[La Peace]

Who would you rather have in a game with your back against the wall? Bryant or James?

Lebron 4th Quarter
10:33 LeBron James misses driving layup
8:33 LeBron James misses 25-foot three point jumper
7:26 LeBron James misses free throw 1 of 2 83-91
7:26 LeBron James makes free throw 2 of 2
7:03 LeBron James backcourt
3:50 LeBron James turnover
2:44 LeBron James offensive foul (Mickael Pietrus draws the foul)
2:44 LeBron James turnover
2:20 LeBron James lost ball (Mickael Pietrus steals)
1:05 LeBron James misses free throw 1 of 2
1:05 Cleveland offensive rebound
1:05 LeBron James makes free throw 2 of 2
0:44 LeBron James defensive rebound
0:21 LeBron James misses jumper

Overtime:
3:54 LeBron James bad pass
2:28LeBron James lost ball (Dwight Howard steals)
1:25LeBron James bad pass (Rafer Alston steals)
0:16Dwight Howard blocks LeBron James's layup

[baseline bum]

Do you think any Laker fans care that LBJ is putting up better stats than Kobe?

:lmao that's precious kid.

All we care about is for LAL to get a ring. I laugh at morons like you who are so utterly obsessed with Kobe that your entire life revolves around seeing him fail. You have low self-esteem baseline.

Apparently they do, boy

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125690
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127386
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127338
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127357

[j.dizzle]

hahaha if LA wins a title i cant wait to hear the excuses.."they only won because of Gasol" etc etc..If lebron loses it'll be "He doesnt have enough help"..they won 66 games i dont wanna hear sheeeeeeeeeet if they lose saturday

[j.dizzle]

I'm a Spurs fan but I'm getting sick of that faggot's schtick too.

For me it's about how my team does. I really don't care about any one players stats or legacy... Well OK I care about legacies, but the team always comes first.

When I read that disgusting faggot freak baseline bum's inane bullshit about Kobe or LeBron, it just reminds me of some 12 year old Stone Cold Steve Austin fan talking shit on the Undertaker. He should go find a WWE forum, since he obviously likes the "good guy, bad guy" aspect of sports and not the game itself.
:lol Lebron had subway yesterday..Kobe had In-n-Out..Lebron is healthier then Kobe hahaha

[baseline bum]

I'm a Spurs fan but I'm getting sick of that faggot's schtick too.

For me it's about how my team does. I really don't care about any one players stats or legacy... Well OK I care about legacies, but the team always comes first.

When I read that disgusting faggot freak baseline bum's inane bullshit about Kobe or LeBron, it just reminds me of some 12 year old Stone Cold Steve Austin fan talking shit on the Undertaker. He should go find a WWE forum, since he obviously likes the "good guy, bad guy" aspect of sports and not the game itself.

Funny you call me a fag when half your threads are about buttsex.

[baseline bum]

hahaha if LA wins a title i cant wait to hear the excuses.."they only won because of Gasol" etc etc..If lebron loses it'll be "He doesnt have enough help"..they won 66 games i dont wanna hear sheeeeeeeeeet if they lose saturday

Please, you Laker fans cried about Kobe's supporting cast for years, including last season when you had the deepest team in the league. :lol

[baseline bum]

Kobe in elimination games since becoming option #1 in LA:


Since taking over as alpha-dog for the Lakers, this is Kobe's record in elimination games:

1) 2003 WCSF Game 6 (LOSS) : SPURS 110, Lakers 82
20 points, 9-19 FG, 2 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 7 turnovers

2) 2004 Finals Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 87, PISTONS 100
24 points, 7-21 FG, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers

3) 2006 WCQF Game 7 (LOSS): Lakers 90, SUNS 121
24 points, 8-16 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 0 steals, 1 block, 3 turnovers

4) 2007 WCQF Game 5 (LOSS): Lakers 110, SUNS 119
34 points, 13-33 FG, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 6 turnovers

5) 2008 Finals Game 6 (LOSS): Lakers 92, CELTICS 131
22 points, 7-22 FG, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 0 blocks, 4 turnovers

6) 2009 WCSF Game 7 (WIN): Rockets 70, LAKERS 89
14 points, 4-12 FG, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2blocks, 1 turnover

AVERAGES:
23.0 PPG
3.83 REBOUNDS
3.00 ASSISTS
39.0% FG%
1.17 STEALS
0.500 BLOCKS
4.00 TURNOVERS

PER: 14.0

I don't usually like to put a lot of stock into the PER, but an elite player doing that horribly on it is unreal. To put it in perspective, here's a list of players average PER this season in the 14.0 +/- 0.25 range:



RANK PLAYER PER
==== =============== =======
112 Chris Duhon 14.25
113 Wilson Chandler 14.18
114 Tyrus Thomas 14.10
115 Tyson Chandler 14.09
116 Al Thornton 14.04
117 Ronnie Brewer 14.02
118 Randy Foye 14.00
118 Spencer Hawes 14.00
120 Andrei Kirilenko 13.85
121 Brendan Haywood 13.83
122 Eric Gordon 13.80
123 Joakim Noah 13.78


1-5 in elimination games as the man and production on par with Ronnie Brewer, Randy Foye, and Spencer Hawes? Clearly, he is not the big game player he's hyped to be. I remember the way Duncan was absolutely crucified by the media for his 14/10/4 and 16/16/2 games, injured, against the Pistons in 05. Yet everyone blames Kobe's teammates when he doesn't come to play. Kobe's a hell of a player, but he is clearly not the guy you count on with your backs against the wall. Not a single one of those performances in elimination games would be considered a good much less great performance.

[TheNextGen]

Lebron did great today...i dont see why kobe has to be mentioned. Kobe's team is the one up in the series.

[ShoogarBear]

I think timvp posted Kobe's elimination game stats in another thread.

Edit: no, I guess it was bb, and he beat me to it.

[baseline bum]

LeBron doesn't have a lot of help. That's definitely true. But, I think you forget how bad Kobe's teammates were in 2005-06 and 2006-07.

Lamar Odom is a good player. The rest of the supporting cast that were in the regular rotation: Smush Parker, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, Maurice Evans, Vladimir Radmanovic. Smush, Walton, and Kwame were starters for much of those two years.

In the Western Conference.

At least LeBron has been given consistent three point shooting with his supporting cast. He's also been given tough big men who aren't afraid to bang. And, while they are older and not the same players they used to be, LeBron has teammates that have been all star talents and starters on great teams. Kobe's teammates those two years were neither talented nor experienced nor former winners. And again, in the Western Conference.

Odom had 22 points, 13 rebounds, and 5.7 assists on 49% shooting in that 06 series. LeBron wishes he had a teammate like that. All those supposed three point shooters have given LeBron exactly one game of support this series.

[Jacko]

You have low personal self-esteem baseline which is why you felt the need to make this thread.

[cobbler]

You choose...

Smush Parker or Mo Williams
Kwame Brown or Big Z
Odom or Side show bob

Lakers win one of the 3 talent wise

Kobe and West play same spot and Kobe is a lot better.

Luke and LBJ play same spot and LBJ is light years better.

SO if you really compare the talent... this years Cav's are far superior to the Lakers then.

Difference is... then it was all about how Kobe is a ball hog. How Kobe doesnt trust his teamates so how could they perform if he doesnt. etc

For Lebron, it's he doesn't have the cast to do it. Yet, they finished with the best record in the league and the #1 seed. Kobe's team then finished with the 7th seed and took a contending Suns team to 7 games.

Hate all you want... but to suggest Kobe had a better team then that LBJ does now is ridiculous

[MambaJuice2408]

In an elimination game:

http://lebronjamesdunks.net/gallery/Lebron%20James%20Gallery%2011.jpg

37 points (on 46% shooting)
17 in the fourth quarter
15 rebounds
12 assists

M-V-P

Tell Bron to do that in Game 6 in Orlando and then I'll be impressed.

[baseline bum]

You have low personal self-esteem baseline which is why you felt the need to make this thread.

Nah, it's more of getting sick of Laker fans trashing LeBron every time they lose while pretending Kobe isn't playing on a team that's fucking loaded.

[Banzai]

When Kobe had a cast like LeBron's the best he did was get knocked out in the first.

Smush Parker/Brian Cook/Maurice Evans/Kwame Brown/Chris Mihm...thats a cast?Would Lebron work wonders with the above^^^

[baseline bum]

Smush Parker/Brian Cook/Maurice Evans/Kwame Brown/Chris Mihm...thats a cast?Would Lebron work wonders with the above^^^

LOL. Odom murdered the Suns. Read up a few posts. James doesn't have anyone even close to that backing him up this series, and the rest of his cast has been pulling Smush Parkers for the first four games.

[Allanon]

LOL. Odom murdered the Suns. Read up a few posts. James doesn't have anyone even close to that backing him up this series, and the rest of his cast has been pulling Smush Parkers for the first four games.

I'm the last person to get on LeBron's case. I think he's doing great.

But to compare his 5 All-Star team to the Smush Parker & Kwame Brown Lakers is ridiculous.

It's on LeBron to keep his team running and NOT playing like Smush Parker...that's on him as a leader.

If he can get his team to 66 wins but can't stop them from choking in the Playoffs, there's no excuse other than LeBron isn't ready to get his team to a Championship.

In all of NBA history, there's like 10 teams that have ever won 66 games, that is a good team...just not good enough. Lots of people had the Cavs as favorites to win the Ring after their 1st and 2nd round sweeps.

[024]

a triple double with 37 points in an elimination game is pretty damn impressive. too bad lebron isn't getting to the finals with a cast of mo williams and friends.

[024]

I'm the last person to get on LeBron's case. I think he's doing great.

But to compare his 5 All-Star team to the Smush Parker & Kwame Brown Lakers is ridiculous.

It's on LeBron to keep his team running and NOT playing like Smush Parker...that's on him as a leader.

If he can get his team to 66 wins but can't stop them from choking in the Playoffs, there's no excuse other than LeBron isn't ready to get his team to a Championship.

In all of NBA history, there's like 10 teams that have ever won 66 games, that is a good team...just not good enough. Lots of people had the Cavs as favorites to win the Ring after their 1st and 2nd round sweeps.
since garnett went down, everyone knew this season was the lakers to take. even moderate resistance was taken away when ginobili, mcgrady, yao, and nelson went down. all the hype around cavs and lakers final fail to reveal that the lakers are far more talented than the cavs. that's why james is MVP, he did more with less. sadly for him, the playoffs contain more intensity where he needs a legitimate all star next to him.

[Allanon]

since garnett went down, everyone knew this season was the lakers to take. even moderate resistance was taken away when ginobili, mcgrady, yao, and nelson went down. all the hype around cavs and lakers final fail to reveal that the lakers are far more talented than the cavs. that's why james is MVP, he did more with less. sadly for him, the playoffs contain more intensity where he needs a legitimate all star next to him.

I don't disagree about this year, it's the Smush/Kwame years I disagree about. That was a D-league team back then and far less talented than the Cavaliers of the last 5 years.

This year's Cavs are legit contenders, they just ran into the worst possible matchup in the NBA.

[Jacko]

Nah, it's more of getting sick of Laker fans trashing LeBron every time they lose while pretending Kobe isn't playing on a team that's fucking loaded.

What does one have to do with the other?

People aren't trashing Lebron because they dislike Lebron. It's more because of the media and the NBA for creating a hype around him that is not justified. Glorifying his accomplishments when his team is actually down 3-2 in a series and on the brink of elimination.

I don't think you'll find many rational fans who believe Kobe is a better player than LBJ at this point in their respective careers.

[TampaDude]

Tell Bron to do that in Game 6 in Orlando and then I'll be impressed.

He probably will...but the Cavs will still lose...1 against 5.

[Jacko]

As great as the stats that Lebron puts up, it almost feels ugly and unnatural to watch him hold the ball for 20 seconds and go 1 vs. 5 for an entire quarter. Almost like the spirit of the game and the team play that should be happening is being violated. Just my thoughts.

[E20]

Baseline don't even bother wasting your time.

[sa_kid20]

As great as the stats that Lebron puts up, it almost feels ugly and unnatural to watch him hold the ball for 20 seconds and go 1 vs. 5 for an entire quarter. Almost like the spirit of the game and the team play that should be happening is being violated. Just my thoughts.

It was working though and thats why I have no idea why Orlando didn't double at the top and make him give up the ball. I mean that's just common sense IMO. Make ANYBODY ELSE but Lebron create something but Orlando just let him stand at the top with one on one coverage the entire quarter and looke what happened.

[JamStone]

Odom had 22 points, 13 rebounds, and 5.7 assists on 49% shooting in that 06 series. LeBron wishes he had a teammate like that. All those supposed three point shooters have given LeBron exactly one game of support this series.

The least you could do if you are going to put up stats is to put up correct stats. In that 06 series, Odom averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, and 4.9 assists against the Suns.

As for Kobe in their one elimination game in that 06 series, Kobe's teammates shot 32% from the field and 21% from three point range. I know Kobe quit on them in the second half, but look at what his teammates were giving him. No excuse for Kobe punking out, but it was clear his teammates weren't good back then.

In tonight's elimination game for the Cavs, LeBron's teammates shot 52% from the field and 56% from three point range. If you're going to talk about the supporting casts, then it's important to note that LeBron's supporting cast stepped up tonight while Kobe's supporting cast failed him in that 06 series against Phoenix that you brought up.

[Jacko]

I wonder what will happen to the legion of Kobe-haters like baseline if he actually wins a ring this year. That's going to throw a monkey wrench in their lives.

[BadOdor]

The least you could do if you are going to put up stats is to put up correct stats. In that 06 series, Odom averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, and 4.9 assists against the Suns.


Owned.

[RsxPiimp]

Odom had 22 points, 13 rebounds, and 5.7 assists on 49% shooting in that 06 series. LeBron wishes he had a teammate like that. All those supposed three point shooters have given LeBron exactly one game of support this series.

You're a dumbass to even try to justify the Laker's horrendous cast in 05-06.


I dont care if Lebron averages 50 points a game. But he's not going to win a series against a # 1 seeded Phoenix Suns with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker starting for his team.

[KSeal]

I wonder what will happen to the legion of Kobe-haters like baseline if he actually wins a ring this year. That's going to throw a monkey wrench in their lives.

The Lakers are going to get swept by the LBJ's in the finals. Haven't you heard?

[DPG21920]

I don't disagree about this year, it's the Smush/Kwame years I disagree about. That was a D-league team back then and far less talented than the Cavaliers of the last 5 years.

This year's Cavs are legit contenders, they just ran into the worst possible matchup in the NBA.

There is one huge difference though. This argument is about Kobe in close out games or elimination games. The evidence is in the numbers that Kobe's clutch numbers, which show in the biggest games like elimination games, are way below par.

Lebron's are not. That is the argument.

Even if you say Lebron's talent is equal (maybe not this year but the previous 4) to the Kobe team with Smush, LO, Kwame...there is another difference. Lebron took his team to a final, Kobe quit on his and got bounced in the first round twice and missed the playoffs entirely once.

[DPG21920]

I dont care if Lebron averages 50 points a game. But he's not going to win a series against a # 1 seeded Phoenix Suns with Kwame Brown and Smush Parker starting for his team.

He also would not have quit on his team and Kobe would not have taken Big Z, Sasha Pavlovic, Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden to a finals.

That year, in the playoffs, the next leading scorer on the Cavs was Big Z at 12.6, then Gooden at 11.4, the Hughes at 11.3

Next to Kobe, he had Odom at 19.4, Kwame at 8.6 and Walton at 7.2.

The big 3 for Lebron averaged 35.3, the big 3 for Kobe averaged 35.2

[stretch]

I think what people don't realize, is that a lot of fans don't really hate Kobe the way that people think. It's that they hate Kobe fans. Kobe fans are the most obnoxious fanbase on the face of the earth, and they are the answer to their own question... "why all the Kobe hate?"

It's because of you guys, you annoying fucks.

I love Kobe. I despise Kobe fans.

However I will say this... I don't know who I despise more... Kobe fans or Jordan fans... the only thing about Jordan fans are that Jordan accomplished a lot and is the GOAT. But Jordan fans think he was Jesus or something, completely fucking flawless, and just remember all his highlights, which is what is so damn annoying about them.

[stretch]

As great as the stats that Lebron puts up, it almost feels ugly and unnatural to watch him hold the ball for 20 seconds and go 1 vs. 5 for an entire quarter. Almost like the spirit of the game and the team play that should be happening is being violated. Just my thoughts.

Unfortunately, that is the product of Mike Brown's piss-poor coaching. Not Lebron. And at least someone last night after a while started to say "fuck it" and make a cut for Lebron while he made a move and drew the double (Anderson) and it made things a whole hell of a lot easier on Lebron. I have no problem with the team clearing out and letting Lebron take it up top, but they need start having baseline cutters and rotation on the 3 point line once he starts to make his move. When they do the clear out, the focus should not be on Lebron scoring, but rather for him to create, and if the scoring opportunity is there, to take it. But Mike Brown has his head too far up his fat fucking ass to realize that.

[Jacko]

This still doesn't change the fact that baseline is an insecure person with low personal self-esteem.

[TheNextGen]

you're a dumbass to even try to justify the laker's horrendous cast in 05-06.


I dont care if lebron averages 50 points a game. But he's not going to win a series against a # 1 seeded phoenix suns with kwame brown and smush parker starting for his team.

+1

[TheNextGen]

I think what people don't realize, is that a lot of fans don't really hate Kobe the way that people think. It's that they hate Kobe fans. Kobe fans are the most obnoxious fanbase on the face of the earth, and they are the answer to their own question... "why all the Kobe hate?"

It's because of you guys, you annoying fucks.

I love Kobe. I despise Kobe fans.

However I will say this... I don't know who I despise more... Kobe fans or Jordan fans... the only thing about Jordan fans are that Jordan accomplished a lot and is the GOAT. But Jordan fans think he was Jesus or something, completely fucking flawless, and just remember all his highlights, which is what is so damn annoying about them.

do you think this thread helped calming Kobe fans down. this thread was plain dumb. Lebron did a great thing and iOP had to compared it to Kobe. No wonder Lakers fans have to defend Kobe.

[Jacko]

Let me let you all in on a little secret.

True Laker fans don't give a fuck how many points Kobe scores. All that matters is that the Lakers win. Did you see any of us complain that Kobe scored 2 fucking pts in the 4th quarter of Game 4? NO. WHY? BECAUSE WE WON THE FUCKING GAME.

[TheMACHINE]

Let me let you all in on a little secret.

True Laker fans don't give a fuck how many points Kobe scores. All that matters is that the Lakers win. Did you see any of us complain that Kobe scored 2 fucking pts in the 4th quarter of Game 4? NO. WHY? BECAUSE WE WON THE FUCKING GAME.

yah man...MVP crap and indiviidual stats arnt important. It was fun when the team was crap but now when u have a chance to win it all...there's only one goal.

[JamStone]

He also would not have quit on his team and Kobe would not have taken Big Z, Sasha Pavlovic, Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden to a finals.

That year, in the playoffs, the next leading scorer on the Cavs was Big Z at 12.6, then Gooden at 11.4, the Hughes at 11.3

Next to Kobe, he had Odom at 19.4, Kwame at 8.6 and Walton at 7.2.

The big 3 for Lebron averaged 35.3, the big 3 for Kobe averaged 35.2

I thought this was a sarcastic post except for the post above it appears you're being serious. Your argument that Kobe had a better supporting cast in 06 compared to the 07 Cavs is that Kobe's main supporting cast averaged 35.2 ppg while LeBron's main supporting cast averaged 35.3 ppg in their respective playoff runs??? Please tell me you're not serious with that argument.

Additionally, no guarantee that Kobe could have taken Zydrunas, Pavlovic, Hughes, and Gooden to the finals, but it's no guarantee he wouldn't have been able to either in the Eastern Conference.

[stretch]

do you think this thread helped calming Kobe fans down. this thread was plain dumb. Lebron did a great thing and iOP had to compared it to Kobe. No wonder Lakers fans have to defend Kobe.

I think it was a stupid thread indeed. But they have to defend Kobe because of themselves and their ridiculous ignorance/arrogance.

[MrFundamental]

All your dick sucking of James is still not going to save their ass from choking.
Yep! :clap

[MrFundamental]

Let me let you all in on a little secret.

True Laker fans don't give a fuck how many points Kobe scores. All that matters is that the Lakers win. Did you see any of us complain that Kobe scored 2 fucking pts in the 4th quarter of Game 4? NO. WHY? BECAUSE WE WON THE FUCKING GAME.
:lmao

[stretch]

Let me let you all in on a little secret.

True Laker fans don't give a fuck how many points Kobe scores. All that matters is that the Lakers win. Did you see any of us complain that Kobe scored 2 fucking pts in the 4th quarter of Game 4? NO. WHY? BECAUSE WE WON THE FUCKING GAME.

No one has a problem with LAKER fans.

The problem lies with the KOBE fans.

[resistanze]

lol bait thread

[DPG21920]

I thought this was a sarcastic post except for the post above it appears you're being serious. Your argument that Kobe had a better supporting cast in 06 compared to the 07 Cavs is that Kobe's main supporting cast averaged 35.2 ppg while LeBron's main supporting cast averaged 35.3 ppg in their respective playoff runs??? Please tell me you're not serious with that argument.

Additionally, no guarantee that Kobe could have taken Zydrunas, Pavlovic, Hughes, and Gooden to the finals, but it's no guarantee he wouldn't have been able to either in the Eastern Conference.

Where did I say they were better? I said it was comparable as evidenced by the scoring help that both received.

I do not care if it was the EC, Detroit still had a good team and should not have lost to Cleveland. No way with the effort Kobe put forth with his squad, could he have mustered up the will to get to an ECF and then beat Detroit. Could it have happened, maybe. Was it likely? Given the evidence of how Lebron performs when he is not happy with his supporting cast vs Kobe, I would have to say no.

[Allanon]

There is one huge difference though. This argument is about Kobe in close out games or elimination games. The evidence is in the numbers that Kobe's clutch numbers, which show in the biggest games like elimination games, are way below par.

Lebron's are not. That is the argument.

I missed this conversation. I'm only commenting on the Smush/Kwame Lakers versus LeBron's cast. Obviously LeBron's cast has been vastly better than Kobe's for the last 5 years or so.



Even if you say Lebron's talent is equal (maybe not this year but the previous 4) to the Kobe team with Smush, LO, Kwame...there is another difference. Lebron took his team to a final, Kobe quit on his and got bounced in the first round twice and missed the playoffs entirely once.

I did not say LeBron's talent was equal...I said it was far superior to Smush/Kwame/Luke.

lEastern Conference Finals sweep is what LeBron was able to do with 1 All Star by his side. Kobe got to the Playoff in a much more powerful Western Conference. Kobe missing the Playoffs after Shaq got traded is not surprising at all.

The best teams during that time came from the West...the Suns and Mavs also would have swept the Cavs. The same Suns that knocked out the Lakers would have won the Championship if not for the Amare/Boris suspensions. Everybody knew it was going to be Spurs/Suns or Mavs.

So for the Lakers to get knocked out in the first round versus a pretty awesome Suns team is no shame at all. Neither was it for Lebron to get swept, but I can't say one accomplishment was greater than the other.

Nor, as Jamstone says, could you say what Kobe would or would not have done with that same team in the lEast.

As for LeBron quitting, let's give him 3 more years of losing and then let's see if he's still the perfect Cavalier. I'd be disappointed in LeBron if he doesn't leave Cleveland in 2010 or knock some heads around if he stays a Cavalier.

[TheNextGen]

Where did I say they were better? I said it was comparable as evidenced by the scoring help that both received.

I do not care if it was the EC, Detroit still had a good team and should not have lost to Cleveland. No way with the effort Kobe put forth with his squad, could he have mustered up the will to get to an ECF and then beat Detroit. Could it have happened, maybe. Was it likely? Given the evidence of how Lebron performs when he is not happy with his supporting cast vs Kobe, I would have to say no.


It's all assumption. This arguement is going nowhere. You cant tell till it really happens. Everyone and thier mom's thought Cavs would win this series with orldano in 5 or 6 and you see how it turned out.

[DPG21920]

The year Lebron and the Cavs made it to the finals, they beat the Wiz, NJ and Detroit.

Cleavland was 50-32. The Wiz were without Gilbert. NJ was 41-41 and was healthy and Detroit was 53-29 and was the number 1 seed.

LA was 45-37. The Suns were 54-28, and not nearly as good as Detroit. Suns barely eeked by a weak LA team, another weak LA team that was 47-35 and lost to the Mavs who were the number 1 seed.

The talent on both LA and Cleavland were comparable and if one was better than the other, it was not by a noticeable margin.

[DPG21920]

I did not say LeBron's talent was equal...I said it was far superior to Smush/Kwame/Luke.

Prove it. I listed some numbers to back up that they were comparable talents with the respective players at that point in their careers.


Eastern Conference Finals sweep is what LeBron was able to do with 1 All Star by his side. Kobe got to the Playoff in a much more powerful Western Conference. Kobe missing the Playoffs after Shaq got traded is not surprising at all.

The best teams during that time came from the West...the Suns and Mavs also would have swept the Cavs. The same Suns that knocked out the Lakers would have won the Championship if not for the Amare/Boris suspensions. Everybody knew it was going to be Spurs/Suns or Mavs.



Nor, as Jamstone says, could you say what Kobe would or would not have done with that same team in the lEast.

So you can say that the Suns would have won a championship for certain, but you cannot say what Kobe would do with the same team in the East. That is interesting.


So for the Lakers to get knocked out in the first round versus a pretty awesome Suns team is no shame at all. Neither was it for Lebron to get swept, but I can't say one accomplishment was greater than the other.

Awesome Suns team? I already showed that they barely squeaked out a series win in game 7 against what you call one of the worst supporting cast teams of all time, then they had to do the same thing against a fluke of a Clippers team, then in the only tough series they played, got smashed by the Mavs.

How does that make them awesome?

[Allanon]

The year Lebron and the Cavs made it to the finals, they beat the Wiz, NJ and Detroit.

Cleavland was 50-32. The Wiz were without Gilbert. NJ was 41-41 and was healthy and Detroit was 53-29 and was the number 1 seed.

LA was 45-37. The Suns were 54-28, and not nearly as good as Detroit. Suns barely eeked by a weak LA team, another weak LA team that was 47-35 and lost to the Mavs who were the number 1 seed.

The talent on both LA and Cleavland were comparable and if one was better than the other, it was not by a noticeable margin.

Big Z was an All-Star and quite possibly the best Center in the East not named Shaq back then.

Kobe didn't get an All-Star until 2008.

Give me 1 superior talent and an All-Star any day over a group of scrubs.

[Allanon]

Prove it. I listed some numbers to back up that they were comparable talents with the respective players at that point in their careers.

Zydrunas Ilgauskas All-Star 2003 & 2005

Lamar Odom All-Star, only in his dreams



So you can say that the Suns would have won a championship for certain, but you cannot say what Kobe would do with the same team in the East. That is interesting.

Best 3 teams have been in the West until the reemergence of Boston, then Magic. Anybody following the NBA knew that the West was much more powerful than the East. Even this year, the top 9 West teams are better than the 4th seed in the East.



Awesome Suns team? I already showed that they barely squeaked out a series win in game 7 against what you call one of the worst supporting cast teams of all time, then they had to do the same thing against a fluke of a Clippers team, then in the only tough series they played, got smashed by the Mavs.

How does that make them awesome?

Why are you talking about the Mavs year? I'm talking about the Spurs in 07. If not for the Amare suspension, the Suns would have pushed the Spurs to the brink and maybe even won. Cavs went on to get swept in the Finals to that Spurs team. Suns probably would have swept them as well.

Lakers lost to a damn good Suns team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Smush Parker/Brian Cook/Maurice Evans/Kwame Brown/Chris Mihm...thats a cast?Would Lebron work wonders with the above^^^

If his head coach was Phil Jackson, Lebron would be able to beat the 2006 Suns with that supporting cast.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The 2006 Suns knocked the Lakers off with this starting lineup:

C: Boris Diaw
PF: Tim Thomas
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Raja Bell
PG: Steve Nash

Lebron would have run a train on that team.

[Allanon]

The 2006 Suns knocked the Lakers off with this starting lineup:

C: Boris Diaw
PF: Tim Thomas
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Raja Bell
PG: Steve Nash

Lebron would have run a train on that team.

Lebron would have gotten swept by the 2007 Suns that knocked out the Lakers.

[TheNextGen]

The 2006 Suns knocked the Lakers off with this starting lineup:

C: Boris Diaw
PF: Tim Thomas
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Raja Bell
PG: Steve Nash

Lebron would have run a train on that team.


C: Boris Diaw > Chris Mihm
PF: Tim Thomas > Kwame Brown
SF: Shawn Marion > Brian Cook
SG: Raja Bell < Kobe
PG: Steve Nash > Smush Parker

You're crazy to think Lebron can take the 2006 or 2007 Suns team. He cant even take Orldano this year.. Shheeesh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Lebron would have gotten swept by the 2007 Suns that knocked out the Lakers.

Cute, and the Lakers lost to the 2007 Suns in 5 games............SOOOOOOOOO much better.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

C: Boris Diaw > Chris Mihm
PF: Tim Thomas > Kwame Brown
SF: Shawn Marion > Brian Cook
SG: Raja Bell < Kobe
PG: Steve Nash > Smush Parker

Hey douche fuck, why exactly is Lamar Odom nowhere to be found on that?

[DrHouse]

Lebron can't even beat Orlando....a team that damn near lost to the KG-less Celtics.

[Allanon]

Cute, and the Lakers lost to the 2007 Suns in 5 games............SOOOOOOOOO much better.

Getting swept is embarrassing.

Not making the Playoffs with two future Hall of Famers is even worse. :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Not making the Playoffs with two Hall of Famers is even worse. :lol

If that's referring to the Suns, you don't have to tell me twice, it's not like I'm a big fan of their current group of players.

[Allanon]

If that's referring to the Suns, you don't have to tell me twice, it's not like I'm a big fan of their current group of players.

:tu

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Big Z was an All-Star and quite possibly the best Center in the East not named Shaq back then.

Kobe didn't get an All-Star until 2008.

Give me 1 superior talent and an All-Star any day over a group of scrubs.

Jamaal Magliore was an all-star in the East as well.

take that all-star shit and push it up your ass.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Lebron can't even beat Orlando....a team that damn near lost to the KG-less Celtics.

Kobe couldn't even beat the 2006 Suns, a team that damn near lost to the LA Clippers.

[DPG21920]

Zydrunas Ilgauskas All-Star 2003 & 2005

Lamar Odom All-Star, only in his dreams



Best 3 teams have been in the West until the reemergence of Boston, then Magic. Anybody following the NBA knew that the West was much more powerful than the East. Even this year, the top 9 West teams are better than the 4th seed in the East.



Why are you talking about the Mavs year? I'm talking about the Spurs in 07. If not for the Amare suspension, the Suns would have pushed the Spurs to the brink and maybe even won. Cavs went on to get swept in the Finals to that Spurs team. Suns probably would have swept them as well.

Lakers lost to a damn good Suns team.

Got confused on the years, the year I was referencing was the Suns in 06, not 07.

Who cares if everyone knew the West was better. It is still not a fact that the Suns would have won. Was it likely? Maybe. But that is no different than saying it is likely that Kobe would not have had the heart to will the Cavs team to the finals in 07 over Detroit.

In 07, LO averaged 19 and 13 with 2 assist. In 07, Big Z averaged 12.6 and 9.7 with under 1 assist in the playoffs. So there goes that.

Going to All-Star appearances is a damn weak argument. Guys like Wally and Mo Williams are all-stars. All-Star means nothing, everyone who watches the NBA knows it is a watered down award.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Allanon, are you saying Big Z > Odom.......I highly doubt you really believe that.

[Allanon]

Jamaal Magliore was an all-star in the East as well.

take that all-star shit and push it up your ass.

Jamaal Magloire played like an All-Star when he was an All-Star.

Big Z played like and All-Star when he was an All-Star.

Take that and let me shove it up your mom's cunt.

[Allanon]

Allanon, are you saying Big Z > Odom.......I highly doubt you really believe that.

Back then, yes. Right now, no.

[DPG21920]

Back then, yes. Right now, no.

Look at the numbers.

[TheNextGen]

Look at the numbers.

Why was Big Z an all star?

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Hey douche fuck, why exactly is Lamar Odom nowhere to be found on that?

LMAO LMAO LMAO

laker fans seriously underrate the value of Odom to those Lakers teams. he might irk them with his erratic play at times, but he is a quality player that has more talent than any player Lebron has ever played with. he is very Pippen like but arguably more talented (IMO he is), just never worked hard enough to be that type of player.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

We also forget the 2005 Lakers had Caron Butler, a player who became an all star once he got traded from LA.

[DPG21920]

To summarize:

1) To people that say the Lakers cast was worse than the Cavs in 05, 06 & 07, prove it. The numbers say that the cast were on par with each other with no huge noticeable difference in talent.

2) Lebron's performances in elimination games/close out games is far superior to Kobe's.

3) You cannot say for certain that Kobe would have done in the East what Lebron did with the Cavs, just like you cannot say for certain the Suns would have won a chip if not for the suspensions. There are probabilities, but not certainty.

[RsxPiimp]

He also would not have quit on his team and Kobe would not have taken Big Z, Sasha Pavlovic, Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden to a finals.

That year, in the playoffs, the next leading scorer on the Cavs was Big Z at 12.6, then Gooden at 11.4, the Hughes at 11.3

Next to Kobe, he had Odom at 19.4, Kwame at 8.6 and Walton at 7.2.

The big 3 for Lebron averaged 35.3, the big 3 for Kobe averaged 35.2

Somehow, I do believe you dont understand the importance of defense. You keep insisting on their offense, when offense was not Cleveland's strongest suit. Cavs had a 101.4 rating efficiency in 06-07. (4th in the league).

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

LMAO LMAO LMAO

laker fans seriously underrate the value of Odom to those Lakers teams. he might irk them with his erratic play at times, but he is a quality player that has more talent than any player Lebron has ever played with. he is very Pippen like but arguably more talented (IMO he is), just never worked hard enough to be that type of player.

TheNextGen just intentionally ignored him in order to help his argument......I can't believe he thought no one would notice it.

And I can see why they don't like odom, I agree he's more talented than anyone Lebron plays with, but if he was on the Suns I know his laziness and inconsistency would drive me up a wall.

[RsxPiimp]

To summarize:

1) To people that say the Lakers cast was worse than the Cavs in 05, 06 & 07, prove it. The numbers say that the cast were on par with each other with no huge noticeable difference in talent. .

We just did.

[DPG21920]

Why was Big Z an all star?

Why was Wally an all-star? Why was Mo Williams an all-star this year?

[stretch]

Jamaal Magloire played like an All-Star when he was an All-Star.

Big Z played like and All-Star when he was an All-Star.

Take that and let me shove it up your mom's cunt.

you're a fucking dumbass.

if playing like an all-star = playing marginally better than erick dampier in a conference that has virtually no centers, then i guess they met the criteria.

[TheNextGen]

We also forget the 2005 Lakers had Caron Butler, a player who became an all star once he got traded from LA.

So now you're syaing that the 2005 lakers we're good?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Why was Big Z an all star?

Because my dog could have made the Eastern all star team as a center during that time frame. Why do you think Duncan and Shaq nutted all over their Eastern finals opponent from 1999-2005?

[lefty]

Jordan is still the king.

Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Melo can all suck his dick.






End of thread.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So now you're syaing that the 2005 lakers we're good?

No, I'm saying Lebron would do a heck of a lot better than Kobe did if he was given Caron Butler and Lamar Odom.

[DPG21920]

We just did.

Where? Show me the numbers. Counting All-stars from previous years does not count.

I posted the scoring numbers from the 3 best players on each team besides Lebron/Kobe and Lebron's team had more scoring by .1 point.

[RsxPiimp]

The least you could do if you are going to put up stats is to put up correct stats. In that 06 series, Odom averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, and 4.9 assists against the Suns.

As for Kobe in their one elimination game in that 06 series, Kobe's teammates shot 32% from the field and 21% from three point range. I know Kobe quit on them in the second half, but look at what his teammates were giving him. No excuse for Kobe punking out, but it was clear his teammates weren't good back then.

In tonight's elimination game for the Cavs, LeBron's teammates shot 52% from the field and 56% from three point range. If you're going to talk about the supporting casts, then it's important to note that LeBron's supporting cast stepped up tonight while Kobe's supporting cast failed him in that 06 series against Phoenix that you brought up.

Good post JS.

[Allanon]

Got confused on the years, the year I was referencing was the Suns in 06, not 07.

Who cares if everyone knew the West was better. It is still not a fact that the Suns would have won. Was it likely? Maybe. But that is no different than saying it is likely that Kobe would not have had the heart to will the Cavs team to the finals in 07 over Detroit.

Exactly, we don't know, so let's leave what we don't know to the fortune tellers. We don't know what the Cavs/Suns/Kobe Cavs would have done.



In 07, LO averaged 19 and 13 with 2 assist. In 07, Big Z averaged 12.6 and 9.7 with under 1 assist in the playoffs. So there goes that.

Defense. Defense. Big Z not only put up numbers, he defended very well.

Odom had great numbers but so did Amare/Shawn Marion.



Going to All-Star appearances is a damn weak argument. Guys like Wally and Mo Williams are all-stars. All-Star means nothing, everyone who watches the NBA knows it is a watered down award.

Big Z was a legit All-Star in both 2003 and 2005 and arguably the best Center in the East.

[TheNextGen]

If his head coach was Phil Jackson, Lebron would be able to beat the 2006 Suns with that supporting cast.


TheNextGen just intentionally ignored him in order to help his argument......I can't believe he thought no one would notice it.

And I can see why they don't like odom, I agree he's more talented than anyone Lebron plays with, but if he was on the Suns I know his laziness and inconsistency would drive me up a wall.

i didnt intentioanlly do it. I just forgot him. I copy and pasted the list of guys that Banzai posted from your reply. Simple as that.

[RsxPiimp]

Where? Show me the numbers. Counting All-stars from previous years does not count.

I posted the scoring numbers from the 3 best players on each team besides Lebron/Kobe and Lebron's team had more scoring by .1 point.

Uhhm. I just said the Cavs were rated 4th overall on defensive efficiency that year (101.4). If you want proof, I suggest you visit 82games.com and Basketball-reference.com. Its not that hard to find.

[Allanon]

you're a fucking dumbass.

if playing like an all-star = playing marginally better than erick dampier in a conference that has virtually no centers, then i guess they met the criteria.

Hahah, what a dumb-fuck, STRETCHing the truth as usual.

Big Z was possibly the best/2nd best Center in the East during his All-Star years.

[TheNextGen]

Because my dog could have made the Eastern all star team as a center during that time frame. Why do you think Duncan and Shaq nutted all over their Eastern finals opponent from 1999-2005?

Thanks for the awesome reply. You helped prove my point. Eastern Conference sucked ass. Lebron wouldnt have gotten Kobe's 2005, 2006 and 2007 past the first round in the West.

Thanks.

[DPG21920]

Somehow, I do believe you dont understand the importance of defense. You keep insisting on their offense, when offense was not Cleveland's strongest suit. Cavs had a 101.4 rating efficiency in 06-07. (4th in the league).

Yes but defense is less about talent as it is about heart and effort. The Lakers teams, just like this year, have all the ability to defend when they want to.

It is up to your coach and leader to make sure you do it every night. That would be like saying Bruce Bowen has more talent than Odom because of defense thrown into consideration.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

i didnt intentioanlly do it. I just forgot him.

Whatever.

[TheNextGen]

Whatever.

like i said, i copy and pasted the names banzai wrote from your reply. Go check it out.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Thanks for the awesome reply. You helped prove my point. Eastern Conference sucked ass. Lebron wouldnt have gotten Kobe's 2005, 2006 and 2007 past the first round in the West.

Thanks.

So 1999-2005 = 2006-2007?

You should go see if the doctor has an lobotomy specials today.

[DPG21920]

Hahah, what a dumb-fuck, STRETCHing the truth as usual.

Big Z was possibly the best/2nd best Center in the East during his All-Star years.

Just like you say the West had with out a doubt the best teams in this time frame, did they also have the best big men?

How good were the big men in the East during that time and look at today who is still around.

[TheNextGen]

Do you even know who coached that team? Do you know how many injuries that team had? Do you know how young that team was?

DoK thinks after a coach leaves, and 2/3 of your players dont come back, you're suppose to be awesome.

[TheNextGen]

So 1999-2005 = 2006-2007?

You should go see if the doctor has an lobotomy specials today.

lol..wtf does that even mean.

[DPG21920]

Do you even know who coached that team? Do you know how many injuries that team had? Do you know how young that team was?

Young? Lebron was in his 3rd and 4th year in the league and had to be a leader of a shit cast that got to a final over a tough Detroit team.


Kobe was missing the playoffs and being bounced by a weak ass Suns team when he was in his 10th and 11th year in the league and after he had rings.

[RsxPiimp]

Yes but defense is less about talent as it is about heart and effort. The Lakers teams, just like this year, have all the ability to defend when they want to.

It is up to your coach and leader to make sure you do it every night. That would be like saying Bruce Bowen has more talent the Odom because of defense thrown into consideration.


So its Phil Jackson and Kobe's fault that Luke Walton, Brian Cook,Aaron Mckie, Vujacic and Smush Parker lacks the ability to play defense and stop the # 1 Offensive rated team in the league?



Every know that LA's chances of beating the heavily favored Phoenix Suns are slim to none. Its a wonder LA took the series to 7 games.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Do you even know who coached that team?

Rudy T., a 2-time NBA champion. And yeah I know Kobe missed a lot of games towards the end of the season cause he thought he was too special to be on the court when his team lost.

[TheNextGen]

Young? Lebron was in his 3rd and 4th year in the league and had to be a leader of a shit cast that got to a final over a tough Detroit team.


Kobe was missing the playoffs and being bounced by a weak ass Suns team when he was in his 10th and 11th year in the league and after he had rings.

damn..your arguements are dumb as fuck.

[DPG21920]

So its Phil Jackson and Kobe's fault that Luke Walton, Brian Cook,Aaron Mckie, Vujacic and Smush Parker lacks the ability to play defense and stop the # 1 Offensive rated team in the league?



Every know that LA's chances of beating the heavily favored Phoenix Suns are slim to none. Its a wonder LA took the series to 7 games.

What was Cleavland's chances of beating Detroit?

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Hahah, what a dumb-fuck, STRETCHing the truth as usual.

:tu very original


Big Z was possibly the best/2nd best Center in the East during his All-Star years.

yes, putting up 15/7 is very impressive, when you get to go up against the likes of defensive stalworts such as eddy curry, raef lafrentz, marc jackson, and nenad kristic. :rolleyes

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DoK thinks after a coach leaves, and 2/3 of your players dont come back, you're suppose to be awesome.

When you're the reason the coach left and the reason all the veteran players move on, then yeah you need to put your money where your mouth is.

[Allanon]

damn..your arguements are dumb as fuck.

Par for the course for DPG; but you'll get used to him. :lol

[DPG21920]

damn..your arguements are dumb as fuck.

My arguments? You leave out the teams second best player to try and make your retarded arguments just reach dumb ass level.

[Allanon]

:tu very original



yes, putting up 15/7 is very impressive, when you get to go up against the likes of defensive stalworts such as eddy curry, raef lafrentz, marc jackson, and nenad kristic. :rolleyes

Rasheed & Ben Wallace must have been in the West, eh dumbfuck? :rolleyes

[RsxPiimp]

What was Cleavland's chances of beating Detroit?

I gave you numbers and thats your best response?

[DPG21920]

damn..your arguements are dumb as fuck.

Explain? Disprove them if they are so dumb.

[TheNextGen]

When you're the reason the coach left and the reason all the veteran players move on, then yeah you need to put your money where your mouth is.

uh ok. Helped me prove my point again. Veteran players moved on and coach gone.

thanks again! You sure you arnt in "our side".

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Rasheed Wallace must have been in the West, eh dumbfuck? :rolleyes

OK so he names 5 crappy centers and as a counter example you provide 1 good center...

[TheMACHINE]

damn..your arguements are dumb as fuck.

Typical DPG90210

[DrHouse]

Kwame Brown - No further explanations
Smush Parker - Not playing the NBA anymore
Luke Walton - We don't need to discuss this guy either
Lamar Odom - Inconsistent and unreliable 2nd option

I defy you to find me a worse supporting cast that Lebron has had to play with.

I'm not even arguing that Kobe did more with his cast than Lebron did. I think Lebron is a better player than Bryant and can get more out of his teammates than Kobe can. But to say that Kobe at any point in the '05/06 seasons had more help than Lebron is downright insane.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

uh ok. Helped me prove my point again. Veteran players moved on and coach gone.

thanks again! You sure you arnt in "our side".

Why did the coach leave and why did the veteran players move on? I know it wasn't cause Kobe was a great teammate.

[TheMACHINE]

DoK is a flip flopper...he argues for both side..sometimes he talks to argues with himself =D

[DPG21920]

Enough with the stupidity:wow

How is this stupid and why do the Suns all of the sudden get so much credit?

If in 2006, the Suns took what you are all claiming to be the worst team in history in the Lakers to 7 games, then took the Clippers to 7 games the next series, then got bounced by their only tough opponent in the Mavs, how are they so good?

You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth and say the Suns were so amazing and the Lakers were so terrible, but the series went to 7 games.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DoK is a flip flopper...he argues for both side..sometimes he talks to argues with himself =D

I argue for both sides because neither side is ever completely right. Sometimes the Lebron lovers are right, and other times the Kobe lovers are right.

[baseline bum]

The least you could do if you are going to put up stats is to put up correct stats. In that 06 series, Odom averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, and 4.9 assists against the Suns.

As for Kobe in their one elimination game in that 06 series, Kobe's teammates shot 32% from the field and 21% from three point range. I know Kobe quit on them in the second half, but look at what his teammates were giving him. No excuse for Kobe punking out, but it was clear his teammates weren't good back then.

In tonight's elimination game for the Cavs, LeBron's teammates shot 52% from the field and 56% from three point range. If you're going to talk about the supporting casts, then it's important to note that LeBron's supporting cast stepped up tonight while Kobe's supporting cast failed him in that 06 series against Phoenix that you brought up.

My bad. I accidentally divided the numbers by 6 games instead of 7. Odom still beats the hell out of anyone James has next to him; those numbers still kill anything he's gotten in the way of support this series, so Kobe nuthuggers can quit with this talk that he had nothing and James has this great cast backing him.

[TheMACHINE]

Why did the coach leave and why did the veteran players move on? I know it wasn't cause Kobe was a great teammate.

lol..so now since you're getting cornered against the wall, you're changing topics. lol.

i thought we were talking about how crappy the 05,06,07 team was...but now ur backtracking. bravo!

[JamStone]

Where did I say they were better? I said it was comparable as evidenced by the scoring help that both received.

I do not care if it was the EC, Detroit still had a good team and should not have lost to Cleveland. No way with the effort Kobe put forth with his squad, could he have mustered up the will to get to an ECF and then beat Detroit. Could it have happened, maybe. Was it likely? Given the evidence of how Lebron performs when he is not happy with his supporting cast vs Kobe, I would have to say no.

Ok, my mistake. However, I will add this. Why do you stop at three players? Are the games played 4-on-4 with no substitutions? Kobe had one very solid player to help him. When Kwame Brown and Luke Walton are your third and fourth best players on your team, that should tell you something. Additionally, it wasn't only about who else was scoring for that 06 Lakers team in the playoffs against the Suns. The Suns shot 49% from the field for the series. For 7 games, they basically shot 50%. That's because Luke Walton and Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were the guys on defense. They shot 40% from three point range as a team. As a team. Not only were Kobe's teammates underwhelming on offense, they were horrible on defense.

You can't say to a certainty if Kobe was on that Cavs team, he wouldn't have done something similar to LeBron. He probably doesn't, but it's no guarantee.

And did you miss the 2007 Finals? A dejected LeBron James in an elimination game against the Spurs went 10-for-30 from the field, 2-for-6 from the free throw line, and had 6 turnovers at home in game 4. When you're frustrated with your teammates and you're playing a team you know is going to beat you, it sucks. Given that game, should we expect LeBron to shoot 33% from the field and the free throw line and turn the ball over like a hot potato in the next game or if it ends up going 7? No, of course not. Because each situation, each playoff scenario, each opponent presents different variables to different players. Kobe has had his share of failures. There is no doubt about that. So has LeBron. LeBron gets glorified for every little thing he does right. And, Kobe gets criticized for every little thing he does wrong. But, that's what goes along with being a superstar. I just think it's silly to try to compare the two in terms of who has had better supporting casts or try to dissect every little qualification and factor to try to skew an argument for or against either player. Kobe gets no credit for the 2000-2002 titles because of Shaq. It's like his play in those title runs don't factor at all to Kobe haters. His extreme selfish performances of quitting on his team in game 7 of the 2006 Phoenix series and ego trip in the 2004 Finals are always the bottom line for how he is as a player with no qualifiers. He gets bashed for getting beat by the Celtics last year even though Gasol and Odom were no-shows (and I know they put up decent stats, but anyone who watched the Finals know their stats aren't indicative of how poorly and how soft they played), while LeBron gets swept in the Finals and is lauded because his teammates sucked.

Yeah, Kobe cock suckers are annoying. But, Kobe haters are often just as bad.

[DPG21920]

I gave you numbers and thats your best response?

I give you numbers and you say " you are only looking at offense". You then give me defensive numbers and I say "offense has more to do with talent, defense has more to do with effort, hence the Bruce Bowen vs Odom argument".

Then you say you gave me numbers. I gave you numbers that coincide with talent, you give me numbers that I disprove as somewhat inappropriate for the talent argument.

[TheNextGen]

How is this stupid and why do the Suns all of the sudden get so much credit?

If in 2006, the Suns took what you are all claiming to be the worst team in history in the Lakers to 7 games, then took the Clippers to 7 games the next series, then got bounced by their only tough opponent in the Mavs, how are they so good?

You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth and say the Suns were so amazing and the Lakers were so terrible, but the series went to 7 games.

How did Boston do last year in the playoffs? did they not go 7 games like 3 times?

[baseline bum]

C: Boris Diaw > Chris Mihm
PF: Tim Thomas > Kwame Brown
SF: Shawn Marion > Brian Cook
SG: Raja Bell < Kobe
PG: Steve Nash > Smush Parker

You're crazy to think Lebron can take the 2006 or 2007 Suns team. He cant even take Orldano this year.. Shheeesh.

LOL... like every other retard Kobe fan, you act like Odom never existed and never had an incredible series.

[Allanon]

OK so he names 5 crappy centers and as a counter example you provide 1 good center...

The other Wallace "Brother"

Jermaine O' Neal

More I'm sure.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

lol..so now since you're getting cornered against the wall, you're changing topics. lol.

i thought we were talking about how crappy the 05,06,07 team was...but now ur backtracking. bravo!

IMO the fact it was Kobe's doing that made it crappy plays a role.

And I'm not saying Lebron would have been able to do anything special with that 2005 team, I'm just saying he would have done more than Kobe did.

[Allanon]

DoK is a flip flopper...he argues for both side..sometimes he talks to argues with himself =D

:lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lol

Idk why I'm a flip flopper here. I have no emotional tie to either Lebron or Kobe, so I simply don't always argue for one of them. I don't think that makes me a flip flopper.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The defense thing is a good point by Jamstone I will admit (now everyone is going to call me a flip flopper I guess). Lebron's coaching staff and teammates are way better defenders than what Kobe had.

[TheNextGen]

LOL... like every other retard Kobe fan, you act like Odom never existed and never had an incredible series.

and your a dumbass for not reading ahead to see the reason behind my mistake

[JamStone]

My bad. I accidentally divided the numbers by 6 games instead of 7. Odom still beats the hell out of anyone James has next to him; those numbers still kill anything he's gotten in the way of support this series, so Kobe nuthuggers can quit with this talk that he had nothing and James has this great cast backing him.

Consider the defensive end where they made Tim Thomas and Eddie House look like Larry Bird and Jerry West. Odom was good. It's still not easy to play basically 2-on-5. Luke Walton guarding Marion or Diaw? With no Amare, Kwame had to guard either James Jones, Boris Diaw, or Marion too. Lol, yeah, I'm sure he enjoyed that. That Suns match-up for the 2006 Lakers is similar to this Orlando match-up for the current Cavaliers. They just couldn't match up with the small ball line-up Phoenix put out there. Four of the Suns perimeter players shot over 50% from the field for the series. Perimeter players. That's ridiculous.

James didn't have help in 2007, agreed. But, while Odom was a good player, that's about all Kobe had in 2006. And, those Lakers just couldn't match up with that Suns team. James had one outstanding series against a good team in Detroit to cement the legacy of that 2007 playoffs, and in fact it was really only 1 game, game 5 where he had those 48 points and 25 consecutive points to close out the game. Daniel Gibson actually was the difference in game 6. LeBron shot 3-for-11 in the close out game 6. LeBron actually had 2 good games in terms of carrying the offense in the 6 games against Detroit in the 2007 ECF.

So while he's a great, great player, the best player in the league right now, it's a little funny how his legend was established by one unbelievable, incredible performance in the fourth quarter and two overtime sessions of one game in a playoff run that ended with his team getting swept in the Finals.

[TheMACHINE]

The defense thing is a good point by Jamstone I will admit (now everyone is going to call me a flip flopper I guess). Lebron's coaching staff and teammates are way better defenders than what Kobe had.

hi john kerry :king

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

and your a dumbass for not reading ahead to see the reason behind my mistake

You're the bigger dumbass for making the mistake.

[Allanon]

Idk why I'm a flip flopper here. I have no emotional tie to either Lebron or Kobe, so I simply don't always argue for one of them. I don't think that makes me a flip flopper.

Because as a Suns fan, you know the Suns between 04 and 07 were one of the mightiest teams in the NBA.

I mean got damn, you guys had Joe Johnson coming off the bench for you....there were some really talented teams.

But just to make LeBron look like a God and Kobe look like a sheep, you are putting down your own team even though they were much better than the weak team you're makng them to be :lol

We know you haven't put down the flip-flops when it comes to the purple and gold...I don't think you've had even 1 good post about Kobe...ever :lol

[baseline bum]

And did you miss the 2007 Finals? A dejected LeBron James in an elimination game against the Spurs went 10-for-30 from the field, 2-for-6 from the free throw line, and had 6 turnovers at home in game 4. When you're frustrated with your teammates and you're playing a team you know is going to beat you, it sucks. Given that game, should we expect LeBron to shoot 33% from the field and the free throw line and turn the ball over like a hot potato in the next game or if it ends up going 7?

That's one bad performance out of 4 elimination games. The other three were 27/8/2 against Detroit in game 7 of 06, 45/5/6 against Boston in game 7 of 08, and 37/15/12 last night. Not quite like Kobe's perfect 6 for 6 no-shows. The original point stands: LeBron is a big-game player with his back against the wall, Kobe isn't, as he has thrown up stinkers consistently over the past 7 seasons of his prime (counting this one) when he has faced elimination.

[DPG21920]

Ok, my mistake. However, I will add this. Why do you stop at three players? Are the games played 4-on-4 with no substitutions? Kobe had one very solid player to help him. When Kwame Brown and Luke Walton are your third and fourth best players on your team, that should tell you something. Additionally, it wasn't only about who else was scoring for that 06 Lakers team in the playoffs against the Suns. The Suns shot 49% from the field for the series. For 7 games, they basically shot 50%. That's because Luke Walton and Smush Parker and Kwame Brown were the guys on defense. They shot 40% from three point range as a team. As a team. Not only were Kobe's teammates underwhelming on offense, they were horrible on defense.

You can't say to a certainty if Kobe was on that Cavs team, he wouldn't have done something similar to LeBron. He probably doesn't, but it's no guarantee.

And did you miss the 2007 Finals? A dejected LeBron James in an elimination game against the Spurs went 10-for-30 from the field, 2-for-6 from the free throw line, and had 6 turnovers at home in game 4. When you're frustrated with your teammates and you're playing a team you know is going to beat you, it sucks. Given that game, should we expect LeBron to shoot 33% from the field and the free throw line and turn the ball over like a hot potato in the next game or if it ends up going 7? No, of course not. Because each situation, each playoff scenario, each opponent presents different variables to different players. Kobe has had his share of failures. There is no doubt about that. So has LeBron. LeBron gets glorified for every little thing he does right. And, Kobe gets criticized for every little thing he does wrong. But, that's what goes along with being a superstar. I just think it's silly to try to compare the two in terms of who has had better supporting casts or try to dissect every little qualification and factor to try to skew an argument for or against either player. Kobe gets no credit for the 2000-2002 titles because of Shaq. It's like his play in those title runs don't factor at all to Kobe haters. His extreme selfish performances of quitting on his team in game 7 of the 2006 Phoenix series and ego trip in the 2004 Finals are always the bottom line for how he is as a player with no qualifiers. He gets bashed for getting beat by the Celtics last year even though Gasol and Odom were no-shows (and I know they put up decent stats, but anyone who watched the Finals know their stats aren't indicative of how poorly and how soft they played), while LeBron gets swept in the Finals and is lauded because his teammates sucked.

Yeah, Kobe cock suckers are annoying. But, Kobe haters are often just as bad.

Defense is about effort, and Lebron's teams gave more effort. I stopped at 4 players because just like everyone talks about Big 3's now when they assess a teams chances to win, those are the guys doing the bulk of the heavy lifting.

Yes, Lebron's stats in game 4 were bad, but at least he did come out and shoot. Not to mention, that is not apples to apples. Lebron was about to get swept. I would be willing to bet that if it was a game 7, Lebron would have fared much better and put much more effort in.

"Strangely, though, Bryant's will to keep shooting didn't last much longer, bringing a muted close to his prolific season. The Ocho attempted just three shots in the second half after ringing up 23 points in the first, in what looked suspiciously like a surrender. Jackson and Bryant both insisted afterward that they were in accord with the second-half approach -- that another 50-point game, as Kobe submitted in Game 6, was not going to save them here -- but it was one more dose of bizarre in a series that had everything."

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

hi john kerry :king

Idk if that's a joke or not but I'm simply stating the obvious.

[TheNextGen]

Because as a Suns fan, you know the Suns between 04 and 07 were one of the mightiest teams in the NBA.

I mean got damn, you guys had Joe Johnson coming off the bench for you....there were some really talented teams.

But just to make LeBron look like a God and Kobe look like a sheep, you are putting down your own team :lol

We know you haven't put down the flip-flops when it comes to the purple and gold...I don't think you've had even 1 good post about Kobe...ever :lol

i agree..DoK should be like "lebron and kobe would both get WTF pwned by the Suns!"...but just to prove that lebron is GOD, he puts down a might godly team like the Suns. Shame on you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

We know you haven't put down the flip-flops when it comes to the purple and gold...I don't think you've had even 1 good post about Kobe...ever :lol

bump the thread where Rapper tried to argue Gasol is more important to the Lakers than Kobe is.

[TheNextGen]

That's one bad performance out of 4 elimination games. The other three were 27/8/2 against Detroit in game 7 of 06, 45/5/6 against Boston in game 7 of 08, and 37/15/12 last night. Not quite like Kobe's perfect 6 for 6 no-shows. The original point stands: LeBron is a big-game player with his back against the wall, Kobe isn't, as he has thrown up stinkers consistently over the past 7 seasons of his prime (counting this one) when he has faced elimination.

Ok...fine....Lebron does better in elimination games...so what? They both should try to avoid those in the first place.

That stat is so overrated...actually, your the only one who ever brings it up. lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Because as a Suns fan, you know the Suns between 04 and 07 were one of the mightiest teams in the NBA.

I mean got damn, you guys had Joe Johnson coming off the bench for you....there were some really talented teams.

But just to make LeBron look like a God and Kobe look like a sheep, you are putting down your own team even though they were much better than the weak team you're makng them to be :lol

The 2006 Suns weren't very good, plain and simple.

The 2007 Suns were good and I haven't put them down once in this thread.

And please tell me when the Suns had Joe Johnson coming off the bench, I'm anxious to know since I apparently wasn't watching.

[TheMACHINE]

Ok...fine....Lebron does better in elimination games...so what? They both should try to avoid those in the first place.

That stat is so overrated...actually, your the only one who ever brings it up. lol


:toast

[DPG21920]

How did Boston do last year in the playoffs? did they not go 7 games like 3 times?

Um, no, they went to game 7 twice. No wonder you think my arguments are dumb, you are a retard.

Let me outline this in short-bus, easy to understand fashion for you:

1) Celts went to game 7's twice
2) Celts went on to win a title, the Suns did not, they got bounced by a choking Mavs team.
3) The Suns went to game 7's with "the worst team ever" in the Lakers and the CLIPPERS
4) The Celts went to game 7 with a strong Hawks team and against a Lebron Cavs team.


Not even close to an accurate comparison or analogy.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The 2006 Suns only made the conference finals because of the bullshit playoff seeding system that got corrected after that season. Again, call me a bad Suns fan for saying that, but we all know it's true.

[DrHouse]

Damn Jamstone laying down the law.

Excellent analysis :toast

[DPG21920]

By some act of God, the Clipps had a good team that year. The Mavs were the best team in the NBA. The Suns overlooked the Lakers and got a wakeup call, and eventually came back and won a series after being down 3-1. The Suns were a top 4 team for about 3 years. They never won a title, but they were far from weak as you would like to put it. In fact, that team would beat the team James is on right now.

Like I said, it was fluke of a Clippers team, the worlds worst team in the Lakers and Dallas team that was talented, but not nearly as talented as many other champion teams.

Me saying they were weak was obviously tongue-in-cheek. They were a good team but far from this juggernaut that Lakers fans are making them out to be in order to support their argument.

[Allanon]

The 2006 Suns weren't very good, plain and simple.

2006 Suns made it to the Western Conference Finals and they "weren't very good" :lol The 2007 Suns didn't even make it that far and you're saying THEY were good. That's where the flip-flopper reputation comes from.



The 2007 Suns were good and I haven't put them down once in this thread.

That was a bad-ass team... no embarrasment for Smush/Kwame/Luke to lose to them.



And please tell me when the Suns had Joe Johnson coming off the bench, I'm anxious to know since I apparently wasn't watching.

Are you saying Joe Johnson never came off the bench for the Suns? I can go research exact game dates if you want.

[baseline bum]

Ok...fine....Lebron does better in elimination games...so what? They both should try to avoid those in the first place.

That stat is so overrated...actually, your the only one who ever brings it up. lol

Why is it overrated? An elimination game is when a player feels by far the most pressure he will ever face, and LeBron clearly deals with the pressure better. Kobe's got a big-game reputation built on riding Shaq for three quarters.

[JamStone]

That's one bad performance out of 4 elimination games. The other three were 27/8/2 against Detroit in game 7 of 06, 45/5/6 against Boston in game 7 of 08, and 37/15/12 last night. Not quite like Kobe's perfect 6 for 6 no-shows. The original point stands: LeBron is a big-game player with his back against the wall, Kobe isn't, as he has thrown up stinkers consistently over the past 7 seasons of his prime (counting this one) when he has faced elimination.

In 2006, the Pistons' strategy was to let LeBron score all the points and shut everyone else on the Cavs down. I say it worked since LeBron only had 2 assists, no other Cavalier scored more than 10 points, and the Pistons won.

And why did you ignore the significance of that 2007 NBA Finals game 4 elimination game for LeBron? 10-for-30 from the field, 2-for-6 from the free throw line (mind you the Spurs won by 1 point), and 6 turnovers at home.

How about the close out game against the 2007 ECF against the Pistons? Not an elimination game for the Cavs, but it might as well should have been because game 7 was in Detroit. 3-for-11 from the field for LeBron, while he watched a rookie Daniel Gibson save his ass.

LeBron is a great player, but let's hold off putting him at an untouchable level just yet. Kobe had that quitting game against Phoenix in 2006 and his ego trip in the 2004 NBA Finals. I don't think last year against Boston was on Kobe. That Boston team was better and they didn't give Kobe a chance to play well in game 6. They trucked the Lakers to make that a moot point. So, as I see it, Kobe has had two really bad performances in elimination games, just like LeBron has had. I don't know where this 6-for-6 no-shows comes from.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Are you saying Joe Johnson never came off the bench for the Suns? I can go research exact game dates if you want.

Show me when the Suns were a good team that they had JJ coming off the bench, so in other words, not the 2003-2004 season when they won 29 games and he came off the bench 5 times.

[DrHouse]

Why is it overrated? An elimination game is when a player feels by far the most pressure he will ever face, and LeBron clearly deals with the pressure better. Kobe's got a big-game reputation built on riding Shaq for three quarters.

So what?

Lebron is better than Kobe right now. So what?

Lebron could very well get eliminated from the playoffs and Kobe is on the verge of making it to the Finals again. Isn't that more important than this current discussion?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

2006 Suns made it to the Western Conference Finals and they "weren't very good" :lol The 2007 Suns didn't even make it that far and you're saying THEY were good. That's where the flip-flopper reputation comes from.

You know that argument is completely retarded bullshit, if the 2007 Suns got to avoid the Spurs like the 2006 Suns, they would have won a championship. Stop acting like fuckin rain man where you are unable to read between the lines at all.

[JamStone]

Damn Jamstone laying down the law.

Excellent analysis :toast

I told you I don't hate the Lakers. I get annoyed by Laker slappies.

I like the Lakers.

[stretch]

Rasheed & Ben Wallace must have been in the West, eh dumbfuck? :rolleyes


The other Wallace "Brother"

Jermaine O' Neal

More I'm sure.

All of whom >>>>>> Big Z.

So much for being the best or second best center in the east.

GTFO

[baseline bum]

So what?

Lebron is better than Kobe right now. So what?

Lebron could very well get eliminated from the playoffs and Kobe is on the verge of making it to the Finals again. Isn't that more important than this current discussion?

Not when Laker, EDIT: make that Kobe fans spew bullshit about Kobe making it there by himself, refusing to acknowledge he plays with the best supporting cast in the league.

[Ghazi]

I compared Lebron v Kobe shooting stats about a few months ago (not on this site), Kobe had a better shooting %.

[IronMexican]

Is this abother LeBron vs Kobe thread? What the fuck were you thinking, bb? We haven't had one of these in a couple months, and you do this to us.

[DPG21920]

It started out as one argument then spawned into 10. Then Allanon bandwagons onto other fans resorting to calling arguments retarded when they run out of things to refute.

[Allanon]

Show me when the Suns were a good team that they had JJ coming off the bench, so in other words, not the 2003-2004 season when they won 29 games and he came off the bench 5 times.

Hahah, there's the flip-flop again. :lol

[Allanon]

It started out as one argument then spawned into 10. Then Allanon bandwagons onto other fans resorting to calling arguments retarded when they run out of things to refute.

Just pointing out what other posters already know about DPG arguments. :lol

[Allanon]

All of whom >>>>>> Big Z.

So much for being the best or second best center in the east.

GTFO

What? All of a sudden there ARE other good Centers in the East when you get owned? Not just pansy Centers?

Hahah, typical Mavfan only watches his Beloved Mavs and don't know shit about the rest. What a dumbshit :lol

[DPG21920]

Just pointing out what other posters already know about DPG arguments. :lol

Out of all the posters on the board that are known for retarded "75 win ecstasy" type posts, I am no where near the top of the list. No one was able to disprove anything I said.

In fact, I can go back to posts of mine where Laker fans were stroking me before I got tired of their bs and started calling them out. You included. If I am retarded and you steal my jokes and lie about stuff, what does that make you?

Join Date.

[Allanon]

You know that argument is completely retarded bullshit, if the 2007 Suns got to avoid the Spurs like the 2006 Suns, they would have won a championship. Stop acting like fuckin rain man where you are unable to read between the lines at all.

You contradict yourself so much DoK, that's why people say you flip-flop.

1) 2006 WCF Suns were not good
2) 2007 2nd Round Suns were good

:lol

[Allanon]

Out of all the posters on the board that are known for retarded "75 win ecstasy" type post, I am no where near the top of the list. No one was able to disprove anything I said.

Join Date.

Ron Artest did not get hit in the throat. :downspin:

[baseline bum]

You contradict yourself so much DoK, that's why people say you flip-flop.

1) 2006 WCF Suns were not good
2) 2007 2nd Round Suns were good

:lol

Do you see a difference in the 2006 and the 2007 Suns?

[DPG21920]

Ron Artest did not get hit in the throat. :downspin:

He also did not get hit in the nutz. Upper chest/lower throat.

[Allanon]

Do you see a difference in the 2006 and the 2007 Suns?

Yes, there were differences.

Were the 2006 Suns a good team?

[Allanon]

He also did not get hit in the nutz. Upper chest/lower throat.

Upper chest? Yes

Lower throat? No.

Anything with the word "throat"? Fail.

Ask Stu.

[stretch]

What? All of a sudden there ARE other good Centers in the East when you get owned? Not just pansy Centers?

Hahah, typical Mavfan only watches his Beloved Mavs and don't know shit about the rest. What a dumbshit :lol

I simply said they were better than Z. And they are. Doesn't make them great centers. Not to mention that Sheed and O'Neal are both PFs. And Ben Wallace had a hard time making all-star games because he wasn't a scorer, though it doesn't mean he wasn't a good player. Oh, and if you check out how Z did in his games against Detroit that year... not very good at all... So how about you know what the hell you are talking about first, fuckface? Maybe if you pulled your mouth off Kobe's dick for a whopping 2 seconds, you would be able to see the light.

[Allanon]

I simply said they were better than Z. And they are. Doesn't make them great centers. Not to mention that Sheed and O'Neal are both PFs. And Ben Wallace had a hard time making all-star games because he wasn't a scorer, though it doesn't mean he wasn't a good player. Oh, and if you check out how Z did in his games against Detroit that year... not very good at all...

And what does this have to do with Big Z being an All Star Center? He was. Best Kobe could get was a team of Lamar/Smush/Kwame and Luke. Smush isn't even in the NBA anymore and Kwame is pretty close.



So how about you know what the hell you are talking about first, fuckface? Maybe if you pulled your mouth off Kobe's dick for a whopping 2 seconds, you would be able to see the light.

What? Your mom likes to suck my big black dick? She guzzles too.

[DPG21920]

Where? Show me the numbers. Counting All-stars from previous years does not count.

I posted the scoring numbers from the 3 best players on each team besides Lebron/Kobe and Lebron's team had more scoring by .1 point.


Yes but defense is less about talent as it is about heart and effort. The Lakers teams, just like this year, have all the ability to defend when they want to.

It is up to your coach and leader to make sure you do it every night. That would be like saying Bruce Bowen has more talent than Odom because of defense thrown into consideration.


Just like you say the West had with out a doubt the best teams in this time frame, did they also have the best big men?

How good were the big men in the East during that time and look at today who is still around.


Young? Lebron was in his 3rd and 4th year in the league and had to be a leader of a shit cast that got to a final over a tough Detroit team.


Kobe was missing the playoffs and being bounced by a weak ass Suns team when he was in his 10th and 11th year in the league and after he had rings.


What was Cleavland's chances of beating Detroit?


How is this stupid and why do the Suns all of the sudden get so much credit?

If in 2006, the Suns took what you are all claiming to be the worst team in history in the Lakers to 7 games, then took the Clippers to 7 games the next series, then got bounced by their only tough opponent in the Mavs, how are they so good?

You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth and say the Suns were so amazing and the Lakers were so terrible, but the series went to 7 games.


I give you numbers and you say " you are only looking at offense". You then give me defensive numbers and I say "offense has more to do with talent, defense has more to do with effort, hence the Bruce Bowen vs Odom argument".

Then you say you gave me numbers. I gave you numbers that coincide with talent, you give me numbers that I disprove as somewhat inappropriate for the talent argument.


Defense is about effort, and Lebron's teams gave more effort. I stopped at 4 players because just like everyone talks about Big 3's now when they assess a teams chances to win, those are the guys doing the bulk of the heavy lifting.

Yes, Lebron's stats in game 4 were bad, but at least he did come out and shoot. Not to mention, that is not apples to apples. Lebron was about to get swept. I would be willing to bet that if it was a game 7, Lebron would have fared much better and put much more effort in.

"Strangely, though, Bryant's will to keep shooting didn't last much longer, bringing a muted close to his prolific season. The Ocho attempted just three shots in the second half after ringing up 23 points in the first, in what looked suspiciously like a surrender. Jackson and Bryant both insisted afterward that they were in accord with the second-half approach -- that another 50-point game, as Kobe submitted in Game 6, was not going to save them here -- but it was one more dose of bizarre in a series that had everything."


Um, no, they went to game 7 twice. No wonder you think my arguments are dumb, you are a retard.

Let me outline this in short-bus, easy to understand fashion for you:

1) Celts went to game 7's twice
2) Celts went on to win a title, the Suns did not, they got bounced by a choking Mavs team.
3) The Suns went to game 7's with "the worst team ever" in the Lakers and the CLIPPERS
4) The Celts went to game 7 with a strong Hawks team and against a Lebron Cavs team.


Not even close to an accurate comparison or analogy.


Like I said, it was fluke of a Clippers team, the worlds worst team in the Lakers and Dallas team that was talented, but not nearly as talented as many other champion teams.

Me saying they were weak was obviously tongue-in-cheek. They were a good team but far from this juggernaut that Lakers fans are making them out to be in order to support their argument.


There are the arguments nice and neat. Show me why they are wrong.

[DPG21920]

Upper chest? Yes

Lower throat? No.

Anything with the word "throat"? Fail.

Ask Stu.


Has Stu ever made a mistake in his job?

[Allanon]

Has Stu ever made a mistake in his job?

You're a disgrace. Putting down the Spurs just to prove your own personal point.

[stretch]

either way, this discussion is stupid. Lebron's team and Kobe's teams back then were both quite bad. Whomever's team was worse, is entirely up to the opinion of the person looking at it, but they both sucked dick. Lebron did get farther in a weaker conference, although convincingly beat a team that was superior to any team Kobe faced, and was along with the spurs, the next teams considered the favorite to win it all, after the Mavericks were bounced. then again, basketball is a game of matchups, and even though detroit was a better team, they were also a better matchup for the Cavs than the Suns were for the Lakers. those are all the facts. take em or leave em.

[Ghazi]

Everyone B mature

[Allanon]

either way, this discussion is stupid. Lebron's team and Kobe's teams back then were both quite bad. Whomever's team was worse, is entirely up to the opinion of the person looking at it, but they both sucked dick. Lebron did get farther in a weaker conference

Smartest stretch post ever.

Although LeBron's team wasn't bad, just not good enough to win the Championship. Kobe's team was good enough to make the Playoffs...that's it.

[stretch]

And what does this have to do with Big Z being an All Star Center? He was. Best Kobe could get was a team of Lamar/Smush/Kwame and Luke. Smush isn't even in the NBA anymore and Kwame is pretty close.

And my point is that being selected as an All-Star is often an overrated accomplishment (All-Stars are selected based on scoring and popularity). Especially in the East, a conference devoid of quality centers.


I like to suck black dick. I guzzle too.

gross.

[Allanon]

And my point is that being selected as an All-Star is often an overrated accomplishment (All-Stars are selected based on scoring and popularity). Especially in the East, a conference devoid of quality centers.

Not over-rated in Big Z's case. He was a legit All-Star Center. And he is still a legit Center...just not when going up against a Superstar Center.




I like watching my mom guzzling Allanon

Kinky boy.

[DPG21920]

You're a disgrace. Putting down the Spurs just to prove your own personal point.

You are the whipping boy of this forum and the captain of the all Douche Team.

[DPG21920]

And you still cannot prove anything I said wrong or refute to heavily with any of it.

[Allanon]

You are the whipping boy of this forum

You took this one today....never seen you get a beatdown like today. Wow.

Bend over but stand proud.



the captain of the all Douche Team.

I'll gladly captain your team any day. Thankyou :tu

[DPG21920]

You took this one today....bend over but stand proud.





Just saying this to be a dumb ass makes you look like an idiot. You trying to point to Z being an all star as the center of your argument shows how retarded you are.

Me making valid points that you cannot refute with anything other than play school b.s. does not equal getting bent over.

Once again, I implore you to disprove anything I said with solid evidence, or to show me anyone who did. Do it in context of the discussion and take into consideration my rebuttals to any initial arguments.

If you cannot do that, which should be very easy considering you and your friends are so cool and just state "that people get owned" out of no where, then you are a joke of a human.

I could just quote your posts, and reply something like "wow, you are a cunny" and just keep doing it over and over, but then I would look as douchey as you.

[DPG21920]

Par for the course for DPG; but you'll get used to him. :lol


You took this one today....never seen you get a beatdown like today. Wow.


You love looking like an idiot. Remind me, and be honest, did you join before or after the Gasol trade?

[Allanon]

Just saying this to be a dumb ass makes you look like an idiot. You trying to point to Z being an all star as the center of your argument shows how retarded you are.



Me making valid points that you cannot refute with anything other than play school b.s. does not equal getting bent over.

Once again, I implore you to disprove anything I said with solid evidence, or to show me anyone who did. Do it in context of the discussion and taken into consideration my rebuttals to any initial arguments.

Uhmm, hello. Let's not go primadonna;alright. I wasn't arguing with you today. Look at my first post, it was replying to somebody else. Didn't even realize you were arguing with the Locals.

I don't stalk your posts, don't have the time. YOU responded to my post.

I do notice everybody else is taking turns putting a beatdown on you today. Worse than I've ever seen before. Just wow.

[DPG21920]

Uhmm, hello. Let's not go primadonna;alright. I wasn't arguing with you today. Look at my post, it was replying to somebody else.

I don't stalk your posts, don't have time.

I do notice everybody else is taking turns putting a beatdown on you today. Worse than I've ever seen before. Just wow.

You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

If everyone else was doing so prominently, it should be easy for you to find inside of this thread you currently occupy, no?

[Allanon]

You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

If everyone else was doing so prominently, it should be easy for you to find inside of this thread you currently occupy, no?

YOU responded to my post first, take a look primadonna.

[DPG21920]

YOU responded to my post first, take a look primadonna.

You talking shit to me is like Soulja Boy dissing Jay-Z bitch. Keep it real girl.

[DPG21920]

YOU responded to my post first, take a look primadonna.

So, did you not respond and keep going? It takes two to argue girl.

[Allanon]

You talking shit to me is like Soulja Boy dissing Jay-Z bitch. Keep it real girl.

Hahah, you saw it eh? I was responding to Baseline Bum when you wanted to stalk my post.

I saw you get owned by others but looks like I got my bit of ownage in accidentally too. :tu

[DPG21920]

Hahah, you saw it eh? I was responding to Baseline Bum when you wanted to stalk my post :lol

I saw you get owned by others but looks like I got my bit of ownage in accidentally too. :tu

Quit saying it, prove it. Show me where I was getting owned by someone. If you cannot do this, quit looking like an idiot and saying you got owned.

[DPG21920]

All it would take is for one person to come in here and say " bs, it was allanon and the others getting owned" and then you would be in the same stupid situation.

It always happens. Someone randomly throws in a "you got owned" out of no where, then Kori, Timvp, the Mav crew or someone else shows up and says "wrong", then the person looks like a douche.

Except we can prove where you get owned.

[Allanon]

Quit saying it, prove it. Show me where I was getting owned by someone. If you cannot do this, quit looking like an idiot and saying you got owned.

Hahah, like I said in my 2nd post, that's your argument, not mines.


I missed this conversation.

Your getting a beatdown by others is between you and them. My response was to Baseline not you, girl.

I just thought it was like Wow, DPG is gettin' it front and back today. :lol

[DPG21920]

Hahah, like I said in my 2nd post, that's your argument, not mines.



Your getting a beatdown by others is between you and them. My response was to Baseline not you, girl.

I just thought it was like Wow, DPG is gettin' it front and back today. :lol

How original, you copying me again. So you can say that it is between me and them, but then you can also say I got owned by them, but you cannot prove it.

Interesting.

Your first comment that I quoted was to BB, and it was way off point, so I corrected it. Then you started arguing with me. So what is your point again?

[TheNextGen]

damn..i take my lunch break and you guys are stil going.

[DPG21920]

It is fun arguing with Allanon because he gets owned all the time and just lies and lies to dig himself in deeper.

Then you have a lot of "lol" prediction and lie material to throw back in his face when he starts acting up.

[Allanon]

How original, you copying me again. So you can say that it is between me and them, but then you can also say I got owned by them, but you cannot prove it.

Interesting.

It's not up to me to prove your ownage, just to enjoy it. Today was quite the DPG gangbang :lol



Your first comment that I quoted was to BB, and it was way off point, so I corrected it. Then you started arguing with me. So what is your point again?

Your infatuation with me is disturbing...you want to talk to me even when I'm talking to others. Isn't it enough that I Captain your D-Bag team?

[DPG21920]

In an elimination game:

http://lebronjamesdunks.net/gallery/Lebron%20James%20Gallery%2011.jpg

37 points (on 46% shooting)
17 in the fourth quarter
15 rebounds
12 assists

M-V-P


LOL. Odom murdered the Suns. Read up a few posts. James doesn't have anyone even close to that backing him up this series, and the rest of his cast has been pulling Smush Parkers for the first four games.


I'm the last person to get on LeBron's case. I think he's doing great.

But to compare his 5 All-Star team to the Smush Parker & Kwame Brown Lakers is ridiculous.

It's on LeBron to keep his team running and NOT playing like Smush Parker...that's on him as a leader.

If he can get his team to 66 wins but can't stop them from choking in the Playoffs, there's no excuse other than LeBron isn't ready to get his team to a Championship.

In all of NBA history, there's like 10 teams that have ever won 66 games, that is a good team...just not good enough. Lots of people had the Cavs as favorites to win the Ring after their 1st and 2nd round sweeps.


There is one huge difference though. This argument is about Kobe in close out games or elimination games. The evidence is in the numbers that Kobe's clutch numbers, which show in the biggest games like elimination games, are way below par.

Lebron's are not. That is the argument.

Even if you say Lebron's talent is equal (maybe not this year but the previous 4) to the Kobe team with Smush, LO, Kwame...there is another difference. Lebron took his team to a final, Kobe quit on his and got bounced in the first round twice and missed the playoffs entirely once.


I missed this conversation. I'm only commenting on the Smush/Kwame Lakers versus LeBron's cast. Obviously LeBron's cast has been vastly better than Kobe's for the last 5 years or so.



I did not say LeBron's talent was equal...I said it was far superior to Smush/Kwame/Luke.

lEastern Conference Finals sweep is what LeBron was able to do with 1 All Star by his side. Kobe got to the Playoff in a much more powerful Western Conference. Kobe missing the Playoffs after Shaq got traded is not surprising at all.

The best teams during that time came from the West...the Suns and Mavs also would have swept the Cavs. The same Suns that knocked out the Lakers would have won the Championship if not for the Amare/Boris suspensions. Everybody knew it was going to be Spurs/Suns or Mavs.

So for the Lakers to get knocked out in the first round versus a pretty awesome Suns team is no shame at all. Neither was it for Lebron to get swept, but I can't say one accomplishment was greater than the other.

Nor, as Jamstone says, could you say what Kobe would or would not have done with that same team in the lEast.

As for LeBron quitting, let's give him 3 more years of losing and then let's see if he's still the perfect Cavalier. I'd be disappointed in LeBron if he doesn't leave Cleveland in 2010 or knock some heads around if he stays a Cavalier.

Funny how you miss the entire point of the thread, then start arguing with me after I correct you like usual. What a girl you are.

[DPG21920]

It's not up to me to prove your ownage, just to enjoy it. Today was quite the DPG gangbang :lol



Your infatuation with me is disturbing...you want to talk to me even when I'm talking to others. Isn't it enough that I Captain your D-Bag team?

Was BB talking to you when you quoted him?

[z0sa]

:sleep

kobe blows compared to his hype, this is nothing new.

Tonight, he'll go back to shooting 25 shots for 30 points.

[DPG21920]

It's not up to me to prove your ownage, just to enjoy it. Today was quite the DPG gangbang :lol



Your infatuation with me is disturbing...you want to talk to me even when I'm talking to others. Isn't it enough that I Captain your D-Bag team?

It is up to you to point it out, but not prove it? How come you cannot do it. If you really wanted to enjoy my ownage you would point it out like I am begging for. Then everyone could see how badly you and everyone owns me!

[Allanon]

Funny how you miss the entire point of the thread, then start arguing with me after I correct you like usual. What a girl you are.

Don't blame me if I didn't want to talk and argue with you in the first place. I responded to Baseline Bum, not you.

Your infatuation is with me, not me with you, girl. :lol

[DPG21920]

Don't blame me if I didn't want to talk and argue with you in the first place. I responded to Baseline Bum, not you.

Your infatuation is with me, not me with you, girl. :lol

So you are infatuated with BB? He was not talking to you and you quoted him. It is disturbing how infatuated you are with BB. You stalk his posts and argue with him.

[DPG21920]

You copying all of my jokes is not infatuation? Kids who are infatuated with Lebron buy his shoes and mimic his moves on the court.

People obsessed with movie stars quote them and dress like them.

You quote me and copy all of my jokes, so clearly it is you who is obsessed with Baseline and myself. I bet if I came out with shoes, you would buy them.

[Allanon]

So you are infatuated with BB? He was not talking to you and you quoted him. It is disturbing how infatuated you are with BB. You stalk his posts and argue with him.

Oh, so now the flip-flops come on.

Now that I pointed to my first post, you realize I wasn't trying to "argue with you" as you just claimed and trying to backpedal.

More ownage; accidental and otherwise all over this thread.

I toldja that you were infatuated with me, girl.

:lol

[z0sa]

Don't blame me if I didn't want to talk and argue with you in the first place. I responded to Baseline Bum, not you.

Your infatuation is with me, not me with you, girl. :lol

its a DISCUSSION BOARD, if you want to discuss your takes, you have to defend them.

From everyone.

Because that's what discussion is.

[DPG21920]

Oh, so now the flip-flops come on.

Now that I pointed to my first post, you realize I wasn't trying to "argue with you" as you just claimed and trying to backpedal.

More ownage; accidental and otherwise all over this thread.

I toldja that you were infatuated with me, girl.

:lol


its a DISCUSSION BOARD, if you want to discuss your takes, you have to defend them.

From everyone.

Because that's what discussion is.

Not a flip flop, just using your idiot logic against you to show how you always own yourself.

Oh and by the way, owned.

[Allanon]

its a DISCUSSION BOARD, if you want to discuss your takes, you have to defend them.

From everyone.

Not a problem...I never said we couldn't DISCUSS it on a DISCUSSION BOARD.

Feel free to jump in...but it is YOU jumpng in, not me.

I wasn't "TRYING TO ARGUE" with DPG as he claimed just a few minutes ago...I was arguing with Baseline.

DPG couldn't handle me talking to somebody else and got jealous so HE jumped in and now is trying to say it was me.

Read that quote a coupe of posts ago and then read my first post in this thread. CLEARLY, it wasn't ME trying to argue with HIM (DPG) :lol

[DPG21920]

Not a problem...I never said we couldn't DISCUSS it on a DISCUSSION BOARD. Feel free to jump in...but it is YOU jumpng in, not me.

I wasn't "TRYING TO ARGUE" with DPG as he claimed just a few minutes ago...I was arguing with Baseline. DPG couldn't handle me talking to somebody else so HE jumped in and now is trying to say it was me.

Read that quote a coupe of posts ago and then read my first post in this thread :lol

Shhhhh, girl. You just got owned. Shhhhhh.

http://www.garlandisd.net/news/articles/images/R_CarverGirlShhh.jpg

[Allanon]

Shhhhh, girl. You just got owned. Shhhhhh.

http://www.garlandisd.net/news/articles/images/R_CarverGirlShhh.jpg

Nice flip-flops you got there, girl.

http://www.sz-wholesale.com/uploadFiles/upimg4/Molokai--Flip-flops-with-straps21006.jpg

[DPG21920]

Nope you tried to say that you were not arguing with me just because I quoted you first. That is stupid logic. You say that just because I quoted you means that you had nothing to do with the argument that ensued, once again that is Allanon logic (I am going to substitute Allanon for the word stupid or dumb from now on).

You then say I am obsessed with you because I quote you, even though you did not directly talk to me, but doesn't someone always have to start a conversation out of somewhere?

By your Allanon logic, that would mean you are obsessed with BB because you quoted him to argue when he was not talking to you.

[DPG21920]

its a DISCUSSION BOARD, if you want to discuss your takes, you have to defend them.

From everyone.

Because that's what discussion is.


Nice flip-flops you got there, girl.

http://www.sz-wholesale.com/uploadFiles/upimg4/Molokai--Flip-flops-with-straps21006.jpg

[Allanon]

You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

Obviously not ME lieing and then backpedaling...looks like you, girl. hahahah.

You get a beatdown by the others and then lie so much you forget about your own post.

Look who's lieing now? :rollin

[DPG21920]

Obviously not ME lieing and then backpedaling...looks like you, girl. hahahah.

You get a beatdown by the others and then lie so much you forget about your own post.

Look who's lieing now? :rollin

1. lieing

Usual misspelling of "lying."
Guy1: Oh my god you are lieing.
Guy2: Retard, it's spelled "lying."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lieing

I never said that you quoted me first, I said you started arguing with me when I called you out for missing the point of what BB was saying. Shhhh, girl.

[TheNextGen]

1. lieing

Usual misspelling of "lying."
Guy1: Oh my god you are lieing.
Guy2: Retard, it's spelled "lying."

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lieing

I never said that you quoted me first, I said you started arguing with me when I called you out for missing the point of what BB was saying. Shhhh, girl.

grammar police is on duty!

[DPG21920]

its a DISCUSSION BOARD, if you want to discuss your takes, you have to defend them.

From everyone.

Because that's what discussion is.


Obviously not ME lieing and then backpedaling...looks like you, girl. hahahah.

You get a beatdown by the others and then lie so much you forget about your own post.

Look who's lieing now? :rollin

[DPG21920]

grammar police is on duty!

The times are few and far between when you can correct someone and in the link you provide it calls them a retard.

[Allanon]

I said you started arguing with me when I called you out for missing the point of what BB was saying. Shhhh, girl.

Again, you are so used to getting beatdown by others that you lie instinctively.

This statement is a lie.

Where did you say this before? Quote from that liar DPG please? Post #?

[Allanon]

grammar police is on duty!

You know somebody's losing when the grammar/spelling is the best comeback. :lol

[sonic21]

this thread got hijacked 3 times so far :tu

[DPG21920]

You weren't arguing with me today? So you did not quote any of my posts today?

You love lying.

If everyone else was doing so prominently, it should be easy for you to find inside of this thread you currently occupy, no?

Where in here does it say you quoted me first? Or that you started the argument, to which you keep claiming I am "lieing"?

[DrHouse]

This is seriously one of the worst threads ever created on ST.

[DPG21920]

You know somebody's losing when they just randomly say "you got owned", then proceed to own themselves, even when others jump in to say so. Especially when after they say that, and they are asked to prove it, they shy away from it because they do not want to be forced to leave the forum forever out of embarrassment.

[DPG21920]

This is seriously one of the worst threads ever created on ST.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125572

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127472

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127127

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127066

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127072

[DPG21920]

Par for the course for DPG; but you'll get used to him. :lol


You took this one today....never seen you get a beatdown like today. Wow

Bend over but stand proud.



I'll gladly captain your team any day. Thankyou :tu


Again, you are so used to getting beatdown by others that you lie instinctively.

This statement is a lie.

Where did you say this before? Quote from that liar DPG please? Post #?

I got my swim trunks and my flippy floppies.

[Allanon]

This is seriously one of the worst threads ever created on ST.

Yup.

[Allanon]

I got my swim trunks and my flippy floppies.

Yes you do. :lol

[DPG21920]

It was a fair argument from BB before Allanon and the likes "did not catch that part".

He simply said Lebron in elimination games performs much better than Kobe and he proved it with his argument.

But then that was unacceptable to Kobe fans. Not many people hate Kobe or the Lakers, just their "fans".