Spurs Discuss Trade For Bucks’ Jefferson

[duncan228]

Spurs discuss trade for Bucks’ Jefferson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-jeffersontrade062309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Adrian Wojnarowski

The San Antonio Spurs are in serious discussions with the Milwaukee Bucks for forward Richard Jefferson, league executives told Yahoo! Sports on Tuesday.

The proposed deal would have the Spurs send send veterans Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto to the Bucks, who are looking to shed the remaining two years, $29.2 million on Jefferson’s contract for the Spurs’ expiring contracts.

The deal isn’t completed, but league executives say both teams appear motivated to get it done.

Jefferson is the athletic, scoring forward that Spurs have craved to complement the aging tandem of Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili. The Spurs have been pursuing the New Jersey Nets Vince Carter too, but it appears Jefferson is the deal that they can make now.

After arriving in Milwaukee last summer from New Jersey, Jefferson averaged 19.6 points for the Bucks last season.

Bowen, 38, has been a staple of the past three Spurs championships and one of the NBA’s most dogged defenders.

[Big P]

$14 + mil a year for jefferson?? No thanks

[loveforthegame]

Too good to be true.

That isn't much to give up for a guy like Jefferson. Now that it's out some other team will likely come up with a better offer.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I wouldn't mind pulling off this trade, but the thought of not being able to bring Bruce back or find another big is what would make me hesitant in making it happen.

[Spurminator]

Now I REALLY hope we have something in the works to address our frontcourt depth...

[SpursWench21]

If we do this, does this mean our 2010 plan is out the door?

Disregarding that, I will say....yes!

[Yogurt210]

more scoring??!! please nooo....atleast go for batum for a bowen replacement...

i hope this deal falls thru the cracks....gahh

[SpursWench21]

Yeah, if we do this, we better have some bigs in mind to snag...maybe thats a sign that gist will be on the roster next year? who knows...exciting stuff, though.

[jgome21]

that would be sick if it went through, but im not sure who would want washed up players in bowen and oberto.

[Pistons < Spurs]

That would be a great trade for the Spurs.

[urunobili]

I'd be all up for RJ to come over... though late in games when we need stops. adn take care of the ball he shouldn't be there...

[objective]

Better than nothing, I guess.

I don't like Jefferson much and that's not even considering his salary.

[pad300]

RJ 14.2 $M in 09/10, and 15.2$M (ETO) in 10/11

Bowen, Oberto, KT 11.6 $M in 09/10 (partially guaranteed)

1) if it goes through, the Spurs are eating Lux tax in 09/10. I think this makes it doubtful.
2) 11.6*1.25 + 0.1 = 14.6 > 14.2 yes, this isCBA legal.
3) We'd be pretty short of big men. Duncan, Bonner, Mahinmi. Need to add at least 2, including 1 veteran.

[timvp]

This would be a great trade. I've always been a big fan of Air Gay.

[Dr. Gonzo]

How old is Jefferson?

[samikeyp]

Just turned 29 on sunday.

[lurker23]

I approve of this trade. :tu


If we do this, does this mean our 2010 plan is out the door?

Disregarding that, I will say....yes!

If we do this, then this means that this trade IS the culmination of the 2010 plan. You stack up on expiring contracts going into the summer of 2010, and you can either use them as trade bait or use the cap space to sign a big name free agent in the summer. All things considered, they weren't likely to get a name much bigger than Jefferson.

[Sigz]

He's garbage.

[objective]

How old is Jefferson?

He turned 29 two days ago.

[Libri]

Yeah, if we do this, we better have some bigs in mind to snag...maybe thats a sign that gist will be on the roster next year? who knows...exciting stuff, though.

I guess all the chips are going towards Mahinmi.

[timvp]

What is the downside to this trade? He has a bloated salary but he's still a pretty damn good player to get at a salary dump price. Bowen would be cut and could come back. Oberto was going to get cut anyways. Thomas showed in the playoffs that he's far from anything special.

RJ as a fourth wheel? Uh, yes please.

[objective]

Why have his rebounding numbers been so poor the past 3 years? Are all AZ SFs destined to be unimpressive rebounders?

[benefactor]

How old is Jefferson?
28 I think.

Seriously...anyone who thinks this is a bad trade needs their head examined. Jefferson for nothing...and there is about a 90% chance we get Bruce back? No-brainer.

[lurker23]

As far as the personal depth goes (especially among big men), the only player you're really losing in this trade is Kurt Thomas. It's very possible that Bruce Bowen and Fabricio Oberto would be waived and then brought back.

[Kori Ellis]

Pretty good deal for the Spurs, though he's a bit overpaid. Bowen will get cut and come back, so he can mentor the young guys. So basically, you'd get RJ for Oberto (who will likely retire) and Thomas.

I'm guessing another trade will come for a big too.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

That would be a great trade for the Spurs.

I'm sorry, but if you were the Spurs, how can you be comfortable pulling off this deal and seeing you only have one reliable big man?

[objective]

I guess all the chips are going towards Mahinmi.

Maybe they could add Javtokas for a relatively cheap amount, maybe LLE. He'd still be a useful garbage man and enforcer.

[Mel_13]

If this trade happens, there will be no way to use the MLE. (I will assume that the Spurs will stay under the tax line until they actually make transactions that cause them to exceed it)

The only new help for Tim will come from Ian, a vet min signing, or a player that could be acquired in exchange for one or more of Bonner, Mason, Finley and Hill.

RJ would represent a major upgrade at SF, but acquiring him probably means banking on Ian to play 25-30 mpg.

[timvp]

Yeah, I don't get how a Spurs fan can see this trade possibility and not be excited. WTF where you expecting this summer?

[FromWayDowntown]

What is the downside to this trade? He has a bloated salary but he's still a pretty damn good player to get at a salary dump price. Bowen would be cut and could come back. Oberto was going to get cut anyways. Thomas showed in the playoffs that he's far from anything special.

RJ as a fourth wheel? Uh, yes please.

It certainly seems to be a great fit for the Spurs, particularly if Bowen is a cut-and-return guy.

Jefferson is a credible scorer and a reasonably good defender -- certainly an upgrade over Finley -- and in the short term at least, he could provide the Spurs with a wing who has the credibility to get the whistle on his way to the basket. Add to that the fact that Jefferson has plenty of big-game experience and it seems a no-brainer to me.

[timvp]

I'm sorry, but if you were the Spurs, how can you be comfortable pulling off this deal and seeing you only have one reliable big man?

Oberto and Thomas are done.

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah, I don't get how a Spurs fan can see this trade possibility and not be excited. WTF where you expecting this summer?

:lol

Yeah it's weird that people don't like it ... they are trading an old KT and a retiring Oberto for Richard Jefferson. They aren't even giving anything up. :lol

[ShoogarBear]

Personality-wise, RJ is a perfect Spurs-type player. I can't imagine that he would object to moving down the scoring pecking order.

He's overpaid as hell, but at this stage in the game is better than anyone else the Spurs could even think about getting. I'd hate to give up Bruce, but I can't imagine what the hell the Bucks would do with him.

[Kori Ellis]

Personality-wise, RJ is a perfect Spurs-type player. I can't imagine that he would object to moving down the scoring pecking order.

He's overpaid as hell, but at this stage in the game is better than anyone else the Spurs could even think about getting. I'd hate to give up Bruce, but I can't imagine what the hell the Bucks would do with him.

I'm pretty sure it's planned for Bruce to get cut and come back.

[coyotes_geek]

I'm sorry, but if you were the Spurs, how can you be comfortable pulling off this deal and seeing you only have one reliable big man?

The Spurs would still need another big, but you can't pass on Jefferson just because you'd have to give up Oberto.

[urunobili]

Yeah, I don't get how a Spurs fan can see this trade possibility and not be excited. WTF where you expecting this summer?

If it happens... this is WAY better than what I was expecting :toast

[Bruno]

It would be a dream trade. :tu

[timvp]

Why have his rebounding numbers been so poor the past 3 years? Are all AZ SFs destined to be unimpressive rebounders?
Not being a first or second option will likely really improve his defense and rebounding. He's been slowing down a bit physically but what he'd be asked to do as a fourth wheel would allow him to be more of a specialist -- which fits his style of play perfectly.

[2Cleva]

Great deal for SA. Get them some needed firepower. Jefferson is pretty durable as well. They are back in the championship mix.

I like it more if it happens before FA so it puts pressure on Dr Buss to bring back Ariza AND Odom.

[objective]

I am thrilled with the possibilty of junking Kurt Thomas in addition to the previously certain to be terminated Bowen and Oberto.

But I just don't think RJ is much of a difference maker, with regards to in-game play. Doesn't shoot well, doesn't rebound well, doesn't get a lot of steals or blocks which is disappointing for his athleticism. Gets to the line, can't think of much else good about him except to give Parker a running mate.

Outrageously overpaid.

Maybe word of this trade gets NJ or GS to offer VC or Stephen Jackson for similar deals.

[FromWayDowntown]

In 2008-09, Jefferson averaged 6.3 FTA/gm. Only Duncan, among the Spurs, averaged more (6.4) and RJ's average puts him more than 1 FTA/gm ahead of Parker and 2 FTA/gm ahead of Ginobili.

[ShoogarBear]

Look at it this way: Richard Jefferson for Micheal Finley.

[Dex]

:hungry:

[Zocalo]

Chad Ford
Hold on one second ... A GM just callled .. breaking trade ... one minute

Chad Ford
The trade is Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas ... more coming in just a second. Deal is agreed to in principle with a trade call coming later today

[dougp]

Why have his rebounding numbers been so poor the past 3 years? Are all AZ SFs destined to be unimpressive rebounders?

What? He's averaged double the rebounds of Bruce - when Bruce was starting! Better ppg, rpg, apg & ft%. Hell, earlier in his career he averaged a steal a game. It's not terrible, and in today's market and the odds of someone actually signing here - this would be one hell of a deal if it went through. It'd be even better if Bowen was cut and signed back with us for extreme minimum. I'd like to see Fabs retire though, and show Mahinmi how to move around under the basket like he does.

[benefactor]

Damn this kicks ass. It's about time we got something to go our way.

[timvp]

I am thrilled with the possibilty of junking Kurt Thomas in addition to the previously certain to be terminated Bowen and Oberto.

But I just don't think RJ is much of a difference maker, with regards to in-game play. Doesn't shoot well, doesn't rebound well, doesn't get a lot of steals or blocks which is disappointing for his athleticism. Gets to the line, can't think of much else good about him except to give Parker a running mate.

Outrageously overpaid.

Maybe word of this trade gets NJ or GS to offer VC or Stephen Jackson for similar deals.Jefferson is a much better fit on the Spurs than VC. VC would never be willing to be a fourth option. Only way VC makes sense is if you trade him for Manu.

Stephen Jackson I think is physically broken after playing for Nelson the last few years.

[2Cleva]

Looks like its a done deal.


Chad Ford
Hold on one second ... A GM just callled .. breaking trade ... one minute

Chad Ford
The trade is Richard Jefferson to the Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas ... more coming in just a second. Deal is agreed to in principle with a trade call coming later today

[ShoogarBear]

I love the FO again.


For now. :toast

[loveforthegame]

It's a win win situation for the Spurs.

Bowen gets cut and returns to the team.

Jefferson would be the ideal insurance should Ginobli go down with another injury too.

We'd still have Bonner, Mason, Finley, and possibly Hill to trade for a big man.

[Bruno]

In the perfect scenario, the next step would to trade Mason and Bonner for a big like Collison or Foster.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Oberto and Thomas are done.

Well I guess it's just my belief that Thomas still has something left in the tank.
But either way, the acquisition of Jefferson is awesome.

[Libri]

I've always thought that his 3 point shooting was his weakness. Yet the stats show that he has improved. Last season was his best year, 0.397.

[SpursWench21]

Hahahaha I just posted a question 5 minutes ago on ESPN Chad Ford Chat before he started and he started the chat by saying...hold on...breaking trade...one sec...

and what is it?! the spurs RJ trade. so it looks like this could be possibly happening as we speak


heres link to the chat: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/27094

[timvp]

44% from the field and 40% from the three-point line while the first option on the Bucks? Only 2.0 turnovers per game as a first option?

He has slowed down from his prime but he's a freakin' good player to get in a salary dump.

[ShoogarBear]

What? He's averaged double the rebounds of Bruce - when Bruce was starting! Better ppg, rpg, apg & ft%. Hell, earlier in his career he averaged a steal a game. It's not terrible, and in today's market and the odds of someone actually signing here - this would be one hell of a deal if it went through. It'd be even better if Bowen was cut and signed back with us for extreme minimum. I'd like to see Fabs retire though, and show Mahinmi how to move around under the basket like he does.

Also, with the Nets Jefferson played quite a bit at the 2 when Carter was out.

And I'd much rather see him at the smallball 4 than Finley.

[benefactor]

:danceclub

[Kori Ellis]

I've always thought that his 3 point shooting was his weakness. Yet the stats show that he has improved. Last season was his best year, 0.397.

And this past season, he shot more than he usually does too. So that's a plus.

[Dr. Gonzo]

But can he still dunk?

[timvp]

Let's just hope that George Hill isn't involved in the actual deal.

But I'd still do it with Hill involved.

[Extra Stout]

This trade is an example of properly leveraging expiring contracts to acquire a talented player from a bad team.

The Spurs have filled one of the two major holes in their lineup.

Satisfying.

[dougp]

Also, with the Nets Jefferson played quite a bit at the 2 when Carter was out.

And I'd much rather see him at the smallball 4 than Finley.

Hopefully we'll see Finley opt-in and be trade bait so that he can retire - or he decides to opt-out and retire. I love the guy and appreciate what he's helped us with - but he's really pushing it.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Look at it this way: Richard Jefferson for Micheal Finley.

:lol

[Mel_13]

Jefferson is a much better fit on the Spurs than VC. VC would never be willing to be a fourth option. Only way VC makes sense is if you trade him for Manu.

Stephen Jackson I think is physically broken after playing for Nelson the last few years.

Jefferson also fits better financially for the Spurs.

The question now becomes how do you add to a Big rotation of Tim, Ian, and Bonner.

If Finley stays the Spurs would have 9 players at 71M+. If Finley goes, then they 8 players at 68M+. With the tax line projected to be around 70M, how do they get help for Tim?

One thing for sure, if this trade goes down there will be a buzz around the Spurs for the first time in quite a while.

[timvp]

If this trade goes down, the Spurs are back.

Even if RJ regresses further physically, he's still by far the best fourth option the Spurs have had in recent years. As Shoog said, eating up Finley's minutes makes this trade a huge win all by itself.

[coyotes_geek]

On a related note we can officially stick the dagger in the heart of those 2010 free agency dreams.

[objective]

Jefferson is a much better fit on the Spurs than VC. VC would never be willing to be a fourth option. Only way VC makes sense is if you trade him for Manu.

Stephen Jackson I think is physically broken after playing for Nelson the last few years.

Actually I just watched the Spurs @ NJ game from this season 2 days ago to revisit VC and see how close to finished he was. I was surprised at how well he played and could see him fitting with the Spurs offensively. His defense was incredibly lazy from the opening tap and he huffed and puffed the whole time, but the other side of the ball . . . I like him better, and he rebounds better.

Jackson was having a huge season last year before the injury. And he's clutch, I can't say the same for RJ.

---------------

I don't hate the trade necessarily, I love opening up roster spots and RJ is an improvement, not doubt. I just have never been to impressed with his game, I felt he was an empty numbers kind of player. The Bucks board at RealGM is orgasming over dumping RJ.

I hope I've misjudged him.

[Mel_13]

Now on ESPN's front page:

Source: Bucks deal Jefferson to Spurs

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

[Yuixafun]

A good fit.

His game will thrive next to Timmy and Tony, allowing Manu to anchor that 2nd unit. TP will have a fast break partner!

Now if the FO finds a way to Net a K-mart/Camby/Ariza type player I would feel fantastic.

[Libri]

He likes to drive to the basket which is very good.

[timvp]

The question now becomes how do you add to a Big rotation of Tim, Ian, and Bonner.If the Nets offer this trade, you accept first and worry how to add a big second.

No way you can even hesitate.

[Extra Stout]

On a related note we can officially stick the dagger in the heart of those 2010 free agency dreams.
I'd say Richard Jefferson is a heck of a lot better than a 1% chance at Chris Bosh.

[Dex]

Fantastic move.

Even better if we can keep Bruce in silver and black.

Thanks for everything, Thomas and Oberto.

[dougp]

If this trade goes down, the Spurs are back.

Even if RJ regresses further physically, he's still by far the best fourth option the Spurs have had in recent years. As Shoog said, eating up Finley's minutes makes this trade a huge win all by itself.

What does suck is this puts into question who our starting center will be. The Bonner experiment should be over - but that only leaves us with Ian. The Spurs are either expecting to draft a starting center, bring Splitter over somehow or trade for someone.

This obviously isn't over.

[kobyz]

i can't believe it will happened, it's too good to br true

[Bruno]

On a related note we can officially stick the dagger in the heart of those 2010 free agency dreams.

Only Duncan will be under contract for 2011-2012 .
2011 plan, here we come. :downspin:

[coyotes_geek]

I'd say Richard Jefferson is a heck of a lot better than a 1% chance at Chris Bosh.

No doubt.

[Yuixafun]

This trade is an example of properly leveraging expiring contracts to acquire a talented player from a bad team.

The Spurs have filled one of the two major holes in their lineup.

Satisfying.

-burp-

[ShoogarBear]

He likes to drive to the basket which is very good.

I'm hoping that Pop plans to incorporate that aspect of his game, too, and not make him another 3-point line loiterer.

[Mel_13]

Only Duncan will be under contract for 2011-2012 .
2011 plan, here we come. :downspin:

You stole my post:lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Only Duncan will be under contract for 2011-2012 .
2011 plan, here we come. :downspin:

:lol

[ShoogarBear]

If the Nets offer this trade, you accept first and worry how to add a big second.

No way you can even hesitate.

Quoted to permanently document a rare timvp error. :smokin

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Never been a Jefferson fan but his numbers surprised me when I dug into them.

Hasn't missed a game in 2 years, averages 20 a game and shoots over 43%. Statistically, he's on par with Carter.

No harm in doing this trade, especially if Bowen comes back.

[iggypop123]

This trade is an example of properly leveraging expiring contracts to acquire a talented player from a bad team.

The Spurs have filled one of the two major holes in their lineup.

Satisfying.

you mean like we did? so gasol is no longer a gift?

[2Cleva]

Note that Yahoo had the deal up at Noon, ESPN not until 1.

Wojnarowski and Yahoo Sports ain't playing around.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Quoted to permanently document a rare timvp error. :smokin

:lol

[timvp]

Quoted to permanently document a rare timvp error. :smokin

:lol Holt accepting a big contract in a trade has me stunned.

Props to Holt if this is true.

[jonnybravo]

-burp-

Lol. What bs.

This entire forums was a circle jerk of whining about the Gasol trade which was basically an expiring for him.

Back on topic though, congratulations. Next season will be VERY interesting.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wow, I know this will affect our big men, but there's no way we can't do this trade if that's all we're giving up..

I fully expect Bowen to be back though, but that might depend on Finley's return..

Jefferson hasn't played D in a few years, but he's been a proven solid defensive player in the past..playing in the Spurs system with motivation would definitely bring him back defensively IMO..he's the best slasher we would have ever had outside of our big 3..

this is basically giving up Kurt for Jefferson, which is obviously a no-brainer..this can't be the only move though, because we're going to need at least one other legit big man to play for us..

I won't believe it until it's official though, since it involves the Spurs..

if this trade goes down, then we have official filled the starting SF position, which was one of our big holes going into next season..now we need to find a way to get a role player big man that can start..

[z0sa]

do, do it now, don't think, don't blink, pull the fucking trigger NOW

[Pistons < Spurs]

Does the acquisition of RJ open the possibility of a Manu trade? Several teams are looking to move their bigs.... Camby? Kaman? Dalembert?

[jonnybravo]

you mean like we did? so gasol is no longer a gift?


Lol. Seriously. What a bunch of hypocritical bitches.


Again congratulations to the spurs. That's a helluva foursome. Jaysis...

[samikeyp]

If this is announced today, they can't actually push it through until after July 1 right? Or is that just FA signings.


Me likey this deal. :tu

[robbie380]

wow i am amazed you guys are taking on a big contract.

[Yuixafun]

If this goes through...

I like the idea of having Gooden stick around.

[samikeyp]

do, do it now, don't think, don't blink, pull the fucking trigger NOW

See, I knew there was something we could agree on. :toast

[kace]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291


Source: Bucks deal Jefferson to Spurs
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By Chad Ford
ESPN.com
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The Milwaukee Bucks agreed to trade Richard Jefferson to the San Antonio Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto a Bucks source told ESPN.com.

The two teams have agreed to the deal in principle. A trade call to make the deal official is coming later Tuesday.

The move gives the Spurs a dynamic wing scorer to play alongside Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. The Spurs had promised to make their team better this summer and adding Jefferson for role players should give them a huge shot in the arm.

The Bucks incentive to make the trade is largely financial. Bowen, Oberto and Thomas are all in the last year of their contracts. The deal will clear $15 million off the books for the Bucks next season and give Milwaukee more flexibility for next year. It also saves them roughly $3 million this year. That may give the Bucks the wiggle room to sign one of their restricted free agents -- either Charlie Villanueva or Ramon Sessions -- next year.

Obviously Bowen, Oberto and Thomas also give the Bucks some veterans who will fill key holes for the team. The move also opens up some playing time for the Bucks lottery pick last year, Joe Alexander.

[iggypop123]

If this goes through...

I like the idea of having Gooden stick around.

or its bonner as the fulltime pf.

[lurker23]

If this is announced today, they can't actually push it through until after July 1 right? Or is that just FA signings.


Me likey this deal. :tu

That is just free agent signings. This deal can be done today.

[timvp]

Does the acquisition of RJ open the possibility of a Manu trade? Several teams are looking to move their bigs.... Camby? Kaman? Dalembert?

Nah, you keep Manu. Unlike adding a typical first option, Jefferson won't have a problem coexisting. It's not like adding a VC who will pout if he doesn't get his 15 shots a game.

The Spurs had a glaring hole at SF and RJ fits that. I don't see why the Spurs would open a glaring hole at SG by trading Manu.

This is good news for Manu because Jefferson can help carry the load and keep Manu fresh for the playoffs.

[Kori Ellis]

Does the acquisition of RJ open the possibility of a Manu trade? Several teams are looking to move their bigs.... Camby? Kaman? Dalembert?

Next the Spurs will trade Bonner for Kaman. :lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

That's a helluva foursome.

That's what she said.

[samikeyp]

Next the Spurs will trade Bonner for Kaman. :lol

DO IT!!!!!

:lmao

[pad300]

Jefferson also fits better financially for the Spurs.

The question now becomes how do you add to a Big rotation of Tim, Ian, and Bonner.

If Finley stays the Spurs would have 9 players at 71M+. If Finley goes, then they 8 players at 68M+. With the tax line projected to be around 70M, how do they get help for Tim?

One thing for sure, if this trade goes down there will be a buzz around the Spurs for the first time in quite a while.

Like I said, this forces them into the lux tax area. It depends on how much the ownership are willing to eat.
I wonder if they will try to expand the deal; either getting Villaneuva as a S&T add in, or perhaps Elson (who has a player option, which I expect him to pick up. Perhaps by including Finley?)

Projected 09/10
C - Duncan, Mahinmi
PF - Bonner
SF - Jefferson, Bowen (resigned at vet min), Hairston
SG- Manu, Mason, Williams
PG - Parker, Hill
This is roughly 70.1 million. They would need to add 2 bigs, and do something with Finley (trade or retire)... Even if the bigs are vet min, SAS would be over the tax limit. I suspect there might be more to this trade, say Finley for Elson...

[samikeyp]

That is just free agent signings. This deal can be done today.

Thanks! :toast

[timvp]

Props to RC for thinking ahead and giving Oberto and Bowen deals that were very tradeable. Great forward-thinking from RC ... for the first time in a while :)

[kromediablo]

just heard on ticket 760 @ 1220 today . spurs trade in principle bruce bowen fab oberto kurt thomas for richard jefferson of the bucks!!!!!

[Dr. Gonzo]

No way!!

That's breaking news!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Spurs would be dumb to get Kaman. If they somehow got Sheed to sign for a discount they'd have the an awesome team on paper lol:

Sheed
Duncan
RJ
Manu
Parker

[bigdog]

Good job. Now we need bigs

[Mel_13]

:lol Holt accepting a big contract in a trade has me stunned.

Props to Holt if this is true.

Makes you wonder what goes on behind closed doors. I can imagine something like:

Pop carried the ball from Holt to Tim about Tim taking less on his extension. Tim leaves 10M on the table.

The plan was to make use of that money in 2010, but things have changed.

Pop goes to Holt and says he needs that 10M now to make a trade for a hefty contract and still get some FA help.................

[Bruno]

And wwith this trade we also got the legendary long SF. :toast

[Libri]

This is one of the bigger moves the Spurs have made since when?

[loveforthegame]

The Spurs filled a glaring hole today without giving anything up. That deserves major props.

I think they do this deal even if they didn't have some sort of plan to fill the other glaring hole. The center position. But I have a feeling they've got something else lined up. Nothing as flashy as this deal but something that will fill the need.

[dougp]

Does the acquisition of RJ open the possibility of a Manu trade? Several teams are looking to move their bigs.... Camby? Kaman? Dalembert?

I don't see a Manu trade, wouldn't make sense. In crunch time:

Parker
Mason
Manu
Richardson
Duncan

Who the fuck would you guard?

[slayermin]

His three point shooting is better than I remember and seems to be improving annually.

Relatively durable. Nice trade.

2008-2009 3pt Shooting: 116-292 .397pct.

[timvp]

So do the Spurs have any space to use any of the MLE? Haven't checked the numbers yet . . .

[Pistons < Spurs]

So now that RJ is on the team, does the organization have to revert to the old pink logo? :lol

[samikeyp]

I don't see a Manu trade, wouldn't make sense. In crunch time:

Parker
Mason
Manu
Richardson
Duncan

Who the fuck would you guard?

Richardson? :D

[Libri]

His three point shooting is better than I remember and seems to be improving annually.

Relatively durable. Nice trade.

2008-2009 3pt Shooting: 116-292 .397pct.

And If his shot isn't falling, he'll drive to basket to get some free throws. :toast

[timvp]

I can't wait for next season already :hungry:

[samikeyp]

So now that RJ is on the team, does the organization have to revert to the old pink logo? :lol

HEY!! :ihit



It was only part pink. :lol

[pad300]

On a related note we can officially stick the dagger in the heart of those 2010 free agency dreams.


Only Duncan will be under contract for 2011-2012 .
2011 plan, here we come. :downspin:

Actually, it doesn't. Jefferson has an option for the 10/11 season; he might opt out. Personally, I would take the 15.2 Million he's owed, but NBA players make decisions I wouldn't. For example, both Boozer and Turkoglu opted out this season, in the current economy and lack of capspace... I expect neither of them will get the deal that they want. SAS might have had a conversation or two with Jefferson while setting up this deal...

[tomtom]

I'm very happy with this trade. i'm curious as what they'll be doing for the backup 3's. Udoka in theory should be gone, Finley... who knows, Bowen might be back? And then theres always Marcus Williams and Gist. Any idea whats gonna go down?

[dougp]

Richardson? :D

Bastard! Wtf was I thinking? LMAO

Jefferson ... was thinking of the Suns Richardson.

[EricB]

Props to RC for thinking ahead and giving Oberto and Bowen deals that were very tradeable. Great forward-thinking from RC ... for the first time in a while :)

Sarcasm, I'm thinking I sense it...

[samikeyp]

Bastard! Wtf was I thinking? LMAO

Jefferson ... was thinking of the Suns Richardson.

:lol

That's what I figured. Hey, its all good bro...its a good day today!

[Dr. Gonzo]

With Bruce gone, who will do the HEB commercials?

[lefty]

Amazing trade :elephant


Plus, Jefferson is good damn defensive player, that should make up for Bowen's basence

[objective]

So do the Spurs have any space to use any of the MLE? Haven't checked the numbers yet . . .

My quick rough math without Finley and only with TD, TP, Manu, RJ, Bonner, Mason, Hill, Mahinmi to be just under $69 million.

So after filling the rest to the 13 man threshold, yeah, they're probably paying the tax.

[timvp]

There's a 99% chance Bowen is released by the Bucks to save money. Only way he isn't cut is if Skiles begs management to keep him ... but I doubt it because the Bucks need to open up salary space.

Once Bowen is cut, hopefully he'd return. With Jefferson's added offense, Bowen's lack of offense won't be as detrimental. A wing rotation of Manu, Jefferson and Bowen would be pretty awesome come playoff time.

[timvp]

There's a 99% chance Bowen is released by the Bucks to save money. Only way he isn't cut is if Skiles begs management to keep him ... but I doubt it because the Bucks need to open up salary space.

Once Bowen is cut, hopefully he'd return. With Jefferson's added offense, Bowen's lack of offense won't be as detrimental. A wing rotation of Manu, Jefferson and Bowen would be pretty awesome come playoff time.

[urunobili]

It's official on ESPN!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291

The Milwaukee Bucks agreed to trade Richard Jefferson to the San Antonio Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto a Bucks source told ESPN.com.


NBA Rumor Central
The two teams have agreed to the deal in principle. A trade call to make the deal official is coming later Tuesday.

The move gives the Spurs a dynamic wing scorer to play alongside Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. The Spurs had promised to make their team better this summer and adding Jefferson for role players should give them a huge shot in the arm.

The Bucks incentive to make the trade is largely financial. Bowen, Oberto and Thomas are all in the last year of their contracts. The deal will clear $15 million off the books for the Bucks next season and give Milwaukee more flexibility for next year. It also saves them roughly $3 million this year. That may give the Bucks the wiggle room to sign one of their restricted free agents -- either Charlie Villanueva or Ramon Sessions -- next year.

Bowen, Oberto and Thomas also give the Bucks some veterans who will fill key holes for the team. The move also opens up some playing time for the Bucks lottery pick last year, Joe Alexander.

However, Bowen has a nonguaranteed contract for next season, so the Bucks could release him, further saving about $4 million next season and giving them a better chance of retaining Sessions and Villanueva. In that case, Bowen might return to San Antonio later this summer.

[EricB]

it will be interesting to see if Milwaukee will buyout Bruce Bowen.

If he does, this is an epic epic trade.

[Kori Ellis]

it will be interesting to see if Milwaukee will buyout Bruce Bowen.

If he does, this is an epic epic trade.

I think it was already arranged for them to cut him and he'll come right back.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Hey TPark, how long before you get a Jefferson Jersey?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Personally, I think there's no way the Spurs would have done this unless they knew they'd be getting Bowen back. Just a hunch.

[lurker23]

Twitter conversation:

MoneyMase: Headed to the gym for the am workout.

obricio7: @MoneyMase good job

MoneyMase: @obricio7 thanks bro. Any word?

obricio7: @MoneyMase not yet..soon I think

obricio7: no se nada todavia...si me entero lo pongo aca ...

Fab's latest posts came at 12:40ish central time. Conversation started around 8ish am.

I don't have a translation on Fabricio's last post. Babel fish gives me:

nothing still… if I find out to me I do not put breadfruit…

http://twitter.com/MoneyMase

http://twitter.com/obricio7

[urunobili]

dude I can't believe this... i think I'm gonna cry...

[rayray2k8]

it will be interesting to see if Milwaukee will buyout Bruce Bowen.

If he does, this is an epic epic trade.

The trade is excellent because we didn't have to give up Gino!! :downspin:

Rest of the NBA = :bang

:lol

[z0sa]

See, I knew there was something we could agree on. :toast

being honest, I usually agree with everything you say. i feel lame now.

[HarlemHeat37]

I find it difficult to believe that we would do this trade without further plans..the FO has to have a plan for the frontcourt..this is just a great trade..we're basically giving up Thomas and Oberto for Jefferson(I'm assuming we might throw in a 2nd rounder or two)..Bowen will be back..

as somebody else already pointed out, it looks like ownership will be willing to pay the tax..

we need to fill 1 more hole..who's going to be our starting big man next year?..

[Libri]

:elephant


How does this change the Spurs draft? Should they just get the best available player?

[timvp]

For a minimum salary, what about bringing back Oberto? He's pretty much done but with those four offensive players, having his passing on the roster would be nice. His lack of offense won't matter as much now, either.

[bigdog]

the Spurs better have something up their sleeves to get a big.

I also think that Bowen might come back. If not, then I could see them resigning Udoka.

[Bruno]

Once Bowen is cut, hopefully he'd return. With Jefferson's added offense, Bowen's lack of offense won't be as detrimental. A wing rotation of Manu, Jefferson and Bowen would be pretty awesome come playoff time.

Don't forget Mason (if he isn't traded).

[timvp]

:elephant


How does this change the Spurs draft? Should they just get the best available player?

At 37, you still just take whoever you think might make the NBA. If it's a tossup between two players, you probably do go with the bigman, though.

[timvp]

Don't forget Mason (if he isn't traded).

Yeah I thought of Mason while I was typing that ... but then I remembered how he looked against the Mavs. Mason in the regular season as like a fifth option is pretty damn sweet though :lol

[coyotes_geek]

So do the Spurs have any space to use any of the MLE? Haven't checked the numbers yet . . .

Looks like the Spurs will already be over the tax. If they want to use their MLE they're looking at a payroll of at least $76 million.

[bigdog]

Hmm...there seems to be no way for the Spurs to avoid the luxury tax now. I would really love for them to get a solid Center, but we also could use Gooden's offense.

[urunobili]

For a minimum salary, what about bringing back Oberto? He's pretty much done but with those four offensive players, having his passing on the roster would be nice. His lack of offense won't matter as much now, either.

Naaaa... I would pass on Oberto... he is done... I would prefer to have KT back...

[Kori Ellis]

Don't forget Mason (if he isn't traded).

I think they are putting together a Mason-Bonner trade package right now. :lol

[EricB]

Lost in all of this, Richard Jefferson, I can't vouch for his clutchness or whatever, but he's pretty much a talented Stephen Jackson.


He's also a pretty good defender.

[urunobili]

I think they are putting together a Mason-Bonner trade package right now. :lol

god please turn that into Kaman... :pray

[EricB]

Hey TPark, how long before you get a Jefferson Jersey?

How long will NBA.com let me?

:lol

I've always been a big fan of Richard Jefferson, he's a very class guy, great great individual, in other words, a typical Spur.

[Bruno]

I think they are putting together a Mason-Bonner trade package right now. :lol

Agree. Mason (a decent player) + Bonner + future first round pick(s) should eb able to fetch a quit good big.

[ashbeeigh]

It's going to take me until Thursday to wrap my head around this. And by Thursday I'm sure more things will happen. I followed the tweets this morning and was thinking something may happen.

Not saying Jefferson is a bad move. And fingers crossed Bruce comes back. I just don't care too much for Fab. He's an alright guy and he has his moments, but I won't cry if he leaves. And Kurt Thomas too, no tears will be shed.

[4down]

So do the Spurs have any space to use any of the MLE? Haven't checked the numbers yet . . .

Is the MLE tiered or not allowable under certain conditions? I thought the MLE and LLE were exceptions that allowed teams over the cap to sign FA's.

[dougp]

Agree. Mason (a decent player) + Bonner + future first round pick(s) should eb able to fetch a quit good big.

You guys don't think we should make a run at Gortat first? I'd like to see if we could get Gortat and Gooden signed, but that would require someone to do a S&T for us to get rid of Bonner and possible Mason or Splitter rights.

[iggypop123]

looks like we have our first opponent for opening night!

[lurker23]

I definitely bring Oberto back, at least as long as he doesn't get a $2 million offer elsewhere, which I doubt he would. Oberto's game has never been built around athleticism or anything that deteriorates throughout a career. His game is built on being a smart basketball player who gets in the right place at the right time, and has a great chemistry with Tim and Manu. What's not to like about that for the vet minimum?

[Death In June]

Lose Bonner, and get a legitimate Center and retain Drew at backup PF and this will be an amazing offseason.

[coyotes_geek]

Is the MLE tiered or not allowable under certain conditions? I thought the MLE and LLE were exceptions that allowed teams over the cap to sign FA's.

You're correct. But the Spurs will be well over the cap so they get both exceptions.

[pad300]

I am unsure about resigning Oberto, assuming buyout. While he's not done in a statistical sense (1.6 Win shares in 677 minutes last year, which is decent), I am strongly concerned about his heart issues...

[tmtcsc]

In the perfect scenario, the next step would to trade Mason and Bonner for a big like Collison or Foster.

You know what's funny ? I completely forgot that Mason was even on our team. Not funny..ha ha...funny..sad.

[Bruno]

You guys don't think we should make a run at Gortat first? I'd like to see if we could get Gortat and Gooden signed, but that would require someone to do a S&T for us to get rid of Bonner and possible Mason or Splitter rights.

I don't like Gortat for the price he will be paid this summer.

Now, you had to keep in mind the luxury tax. Unlike signing FA, doing a trade don't raise team's salary and won't put Spurs further in the luxury tax area.

[z0sa]

Yeah I thought of Mason while I was typing that ... but then I remembered how he looked against the Mavs. Mason in the regular season as like a fifth option is pretty damn sweet though :lol

dude, I've forgot about our series with the mavs, at least concerning Mason. Pop misused him. Hill won't be relegated to the bench only now and he shouldn't be playing 2guard on offense anymore.

[bigdog]

This offseason would be perfect if we could somehow bring back Gooden, and trade Bonner+picks/maybe Mason for a decent rebounding Center.

[z0sa]

This offseason would be perfect if we could somehow bring back Gooden, and trade Bonner+picks/maybe Mason for a decent rebounding Center.

No offense, but fuck Gooden. I want DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE next to Tim. If that DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE doesn't come equipped with much or any O, fuck it.

If Gooden is available for the MLE and we've exhausted better defenders, grab him and be happy. But I need some D back in my spurs basketball Diet.

[Spurtacus]

I'm excited. I fully expect Bowen to be bought out and return to the Spurs. I hope we can get KT back too.

[manufan10]

With Bruce gone, who will do the HEB commercials?

:lmao

So true. The past two years they've lost Brent Barry and now Bruce. :depressed

I feel like a kid on Christmas day. Now I'm excited about this upcoming season! :downspin:

[thOOdee]

i know this is beside the point of the topic, but also thinking the spurs have the rights to tiago next year, sleeper ian this year, keeping gooden, and the rookies gist and hill! i think i am gona shit myself. full faith back in the spurs FO and 2010 CHAMPS!

[spurtilldeath]

Do you think this trade is a setup to trade Manu elsewhere? So, they will have enough dough to get a quality center?

[baseline bum]

Damn, Thomas for Jefferson. :wow I take back all the shit I said about RC. If they can go out and get Dice or Sheed with the MLE this team could seriously contend again.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I think this means that the Spurs front office is planning on keeping Mason, bringing in Gist, and has some confidence that Mahinimi will be able to contribute this year.

I wonder how much cash they have to actually buy a first round pick now?

In any event.... this is awesome news. BTW, I think I remember reading something about RJ having knee surgery a few years ago, any status on his knee now?

[EricB]

I think they are putting together a Mason-Bonner trade package right now. :lol


I dunno if I'd swap out Mason.

I think right now you have a great shot if you add a couple bigs with

Duncan
Jefferson
Mason
Parker


I mean thats a pretty damn good 5 right there pending what bigman they get.

Then you have Ginobili and HIll off the bench!?

Dayum.

[timvp]

Damn, Oberto's contract made a trade likely but I didn't think it'd be this huge.

:wow

[Spurtacus]

Udoka needs to go now (assuming Bowen comes back).

[Kori Ellis]

I dunno if I'd swap out Mason.

I think right now you have a great shot if you add a couple bigs with

Duncan
Jefferson
Mason
Parker


I mean thats a pretty damn good 5 right there pending what bigman they get.

Then you have Ginobili and HIll off the bench!?

Dayum.

I think to strengthen the front court, they'll probably have to give up Mason/Bonner, unless Finley is agreeing to be traded somewhere.

[manufan10]

For a minimum salary, what about bringing back Oberto? He's pretty much done but with those four offensive players, having his passing on the roster would be nice. His lack of offense won't matter as much now, either.

I know he wasn't popular with some of the fans on here, but I would bring him back. I worry about his heart, but if he's cleared to play, and IF the Bucks release him, I'm all for bringing him back.

[tomtom]

Who do you think will be on the roster Finley, Bowen, or Gist?

[Kori Ellis]

The Bucks expect to save $6.35 million next season after releasing Bowen (only $2 million guaranteed) and Oberto (only $1.9 million guaranteed), a source told ESPN.com.

[John Ameachi]

They should sign me as the starting center, they'll have two gay guys in the starting lineup!!!

[lurker23]

I think to strengthen the front court, they'll probably have to give up Mason/Bonner, unless Finley is agreeing to be traded somewhere.

From what I've been told and understand, if Finley picks up his option for this year, he won't have the trade veto power that he had last year.

[manufan10]

I think to strengthen the front court, they'll probably have to give up Mason/Bonner, unless Finley is agreeing to be traded somewhere.

I hope he is agreeing to be traded elsewhere. :toast

[timvp]

Suddenly, Malik Hairston and Marcus Williams aren't that important ... especially if Bowen comes back and Mason stays on the roster. Do you keep one of those two players or do you stock up on bigs?

I might keep one but no way do you need both now.

[EricB]

I think to strengthen the front court, they'll probably have to give up Mason/Bonner, unless Finley is agreeing to be traded somewhere.


True.

Given the bigs available, makes you wonder who they are targeting.

Only problem I see, is if you trade Mason, then your getting thin at the backcourt position again, where as right now, its a position of GREAT strength.

[EricB]

Suddenly, Malik Hairston and Marcus Williams aren't that important ... especially if Bowen comes back and Mason stays on the roster. Do you keep one of those two players or do you stock up on bigs?

I might keep one but no way do you need both now.


Malik Hairston please.

Marcus Williams is a mistake that just needs to be accepted.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Bring both back?

[timvp]

Let's hope Finley agrees to go away.

[EricB]

So its pretty much Kurt Thomas for Richard Jefferson.


Sick.

[manufan10]

The Bucks expect to save $6.35 million next season after releasing Bowen (only $2 million guaranteed) and Oberto (only $1.9 million guaranteed), a source told ESPN.com.

So are the Spurs going to pick both Bowen and Oberto back up?

[urunobili]

Suddenly, Malik Hairston and Marcus Williams aren't that important ... especially if Bowen comes back and Mason stays on the roster. Do you keep one of those two players or do you stock up on bigs?

I might keep one but no way do you need both now.

Hairston Only...

[manufan10]

Malik Hairston please.

Marcus Williams is a mistake that just needs to be accepted.

Agreed. I like what I saw from Malik Hairston.

[Kori Ellis]

So are the Spurs going to pick both Bowen and Oberto back up?

I think they'll bring Bowen back. I think they'll check around for more bigs before deciding about Oberto. I thought Oberto might retire.

[loveforthegame]

Suddenly, Malik Hairston and Marcus Williams aren't that important ... especially if Bowen comes back and Mason stays on the roster. Do you keep one of those two players or do you stock up on bigs?

I might keep one but no way do you need both now.

I think Bowen comes back and Mason will be used in a trade. Probably packaged with Bonner and possibly Hill depending on who they're targeting.

[jcrod]

Wow, love the trade. Wish the season started next week.

[timvp]

So are the Spurs going to pick both Bowen and Oberto back up?

I'd bring back Bowen at least. Maybe Oberto too depending on what other offers he gets and roster spots. For a 12th man, Oberto for the minimum is a pretty damn good deal. You can't find another 12th man big who could come in and play right away in a pinch.

But the Spurs can't bring back Oberto as if he's part of the starting center solution . . .

[manufan10]

I think they'll bring Bowen back. I think they'll check around for more bigs before deciding about Oberto. I thought Oberto might retire.

:toast

[Spursfan092120]

Yeah..we're not gonna lose Bruce out of this deal..he'll be back. So it's basically Kurt and Fabricio for RJ, because they want to get rid of his contract. I'd say it's a no brainer. We're going to find bigs...

[Libri]

But the Spurs still need a third string point guard. Could Marcus Williams be that guy?

[Bruno]

Let's hope Finley agrees to go away.

If Spurs trade Mason, they will need a shooter (Finley or someone else).

[bigdog]

I wonder who they're targeting in the frontcourt. I'm starting to think they're just gonna bring back Gooden for the MLE, and maybe someone like McDeyess would accept the LLE.

Or, if they want to trade, they'd likely have to give up Mason and Bonner, which, like EricB said, would make the backcourt thin.

The rest of this week should be exciting :)

[EricB]

But the Spurs still need a third string point guard. Could Marcus Williams be that guy?


Third string point guards are a dime a dozen.

[timvp]

But the Spurs still need a third string point guard. Could Marcus Williams be that guy?

The Marcus Williams who is associated with the Spurs isn't a point guard. D-League point guard maybe but not NBA point guard.

Now if you are talking about the other one ... then yeah maybe if he gets in shape :)

[EricB]

I wonder who they're targeting in the frontcourt. I'm starting to think they're just gonna bring back Gooden for the MLE, and maybe someone like McDeyess would accept the LLE.

Or, if they want to trade, they'd likely have to give up Mason and Bonner, which, like EricB said, would make the backcourt thin.

The rest of this week should be exciting :)


McDeyss would have to be brought in on the MLE, LLE is too cheap for him.

Another trade would have to be in the works as well.

[duncan228]

Spurs trade Bowen, Thomas and Oberto for Richard Jefferson according to ESPN (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Bruce_Bowen_Kurt_Thomas_and_Fabricio_Oberto_traded .html)
Mike Monroe

The Spurs are nearing completion of a trade that will send veterans Bruce Bowen, Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas to the Milwaukee Bucks in exchange for athletic, 29-year-old small forward Richard Jefferson, NBA executives from both the Eastern and Western conferences have told the Express-News.

Jefferson averaged 19.6 points per game in 2008-09, his first season with the Bucks after seven with the New Jersey Nets. He started in all 82 of the Bucks’ games last season, making 43.9 percent of his shots, 39.7 from 3-point range. He also averaged 4.6 rebounds and 2.4 assists.

Bowen, 37, has been with the Spurs since 2001. A defensive standout at small forward, he started every game for six seasons, including three seasons that resulted in Spurs’ titles.

Oberto, 34, recently underwent a procedure to address an irregular heartbeat that had hampered him since the 2007 season. He had been a Spur for four seasons, starting 64 games.

Thomas, who will be 37 in October, came to the Spurs in a trade deadline deal in the 2007-08 season.

Jefferson has two years remaining on a contract that will pay him $14.2 million next season, $15 million in 2010-11. All three of the Spurs involved in the deal will be in the final years of their contracts next season. Bowen’s $4 million deal and Oberto’s $3.8 million deal are only 50 percent guaranteed for next season.

[timvp]

If Spurs trade Mason, they will need a shooter (Finley or someone else).

I will go with someone else. I don't want to risk Pop benching RJ or Manu to play Finley 35 minutes a night :smokin

[bigdog]

But the Spurs still need a third string point guard. Could Marcus Williams be that guy?

Why would the Spurs need a third string point guard? If they need one that badly, they have Ginobili, or they could find some D-Leaguer that is better than Vaughn.

[duncan228]

NBA.com's Jefferson page:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/richard_jefferson/index.html

[fatsack]

The Milwaukee Bucks agreed to trade Richard Jefferson to the San Antonio Spurs for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto, a Bucks source told ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4281291&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

[timvp]

The first thing you do now when free agency starts is back Rasheed or McDyess to sign for the minimum. Show the glaring hole in the roster and hope one of the two decides to try to win a championship.

It's a long shot but that hole at center has to be pretty damn tempting for a player who wants to win a ring.

[iggypop123]

McDeyess is worthier of MLE than gooden

[Spurs Brazil]

That was a GREAT trade

If we can get a decent big and bring Bruce back we're the 2010 champs.

TD/RJ/Manu/TP that's great

[galvatron3000]

The first thing you do now when free agency starts is back Rasheed or McDyess to sign for the minimum. Show the glaring hole in the roster and hope one of the two decides to try to win a championship.

It's a long shot but that hole at center has to be pretty damn tempting for a player who wants to win a ring.

yeah, if they want a ring more than money, that is the question. Cleveland may have more money and look more attractive to those guys.

[Vic Petro]

Bruce is coming back.

If RC can pull Camby out of his ass, I'm moving to San Antonio.

[lefty]

Damn, I hope Mason won't be traded

He is fucking clutch

[pad300]

Suddenly, Malik Hairston and Marcus Williams aren't that important ... especially if Bowen comes back and Mason stays on the roster. Do you keep one of those two players or do you stock up on bigs?

I might keep one but no way do you need both now.

Really? I think you keep both. They're cheap. Seriously. Start looking at the money side.

[Spurtacus]

Wikipedia works fast

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jefferson

:lol

[EricB]

The first thing you do now when free agency starts is back Rasheed or McDyess to sign for the minimum. Show the glaring hole in the roster and hope one of the two decides to try to win a championship.

It's a long shot but that hole at center has to be pretty damn tempting for a player who wants to win a ring.

I would have to say it would take the MLE to bring in McDeyss.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

The first thing you do now when free agency starts is back Rasheed or McDyess to sign for the minimum. Show the glaring hole in the roster and hope one of the two decides to try to win a championship.

It's a long shot but that hole at center has to be pretty damn tempting for a player who wants to win a ring.

Or maybe both? :stirpot:

[Bender]

if the spurs do get bowen back, would we be able to pay him less than he was making last year?

[timvp]

Now that I think about it, Thomas could very well be bought out by the Bucks. I wouldn't be shocked to see him back in a Spurs uniform.

Like Oberto, Thomas is a good deep bench big. Still need a starter level big but the summer is just getting started :hungry:

[Spurtacus]

On August 13, 2004, Jefferson signed a six-year, $78,000,000 contract extension with the Nets.

So he would be out in time for our 2010 plan, correct?

[baseline bum]

The first thing you do now when free agency starts is back Rasheed or McDyess to sign for the minimum. Show the glaring hole in the roster and hope one of the two decides to try to win a championship.

It's a long shot but that hole at center has to be pretty damn tempting for a player who wants to win a ring.

The Spurs desperately need to move Bonner's contract somehow, some way to clear MLE space. To think they'd spend the MLE with a committed salary of about $70+ million or so isn't realistic. Maybe they can Scola Splitter somewhere to dump Bonner's contract (hopefully not Houston or any other WC rival though).

[EricB]

In August 2007, Richard Jefferson pledged $3.5 million toward the University of Arizona's future basketball and volleyball practice facility. UA officials believe it is the largest donation ever from a former player.



Awesome, didn't know that. He's another Steve Smith :tu

[timvp]

Really? I think you keep both. They're cheap. Seriously. Start looking at the money side.

I'd rather get a cheap big or a cheap point guard than two cheap wings who aren't very exciting prospects ... especially if the Spurs have RJ, Manu, Bowen and Mason at the wings.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

So he would be out in time for our 2010 plan, correct?

Nope. That date leads to the 04-05 season, which would make the contract end in 2011.

[lurker23]

if the spurs do get bowen back, would we be able to pay him less than he was making last year?

Yes, they would pretty much have to, money-wise. He would probably be offered the veterans' minimum, or at very most the LLE. He would probably be fine with this to stay in San Antonio, not to mention the fact that he would already have $2 million on the season from the Bucks.

[td4mvp21]

Since I'm too lazy to read through 9 pages, are we speculating that Bowen will be bought out or no? He's the only one I would be extremely bummed about if he didn't return to the team.

[EricB]

Now that I think about it, Thomas could very well be bought out by the Bucks. I wouldn't be shocked to see him back in a Spurs uniform.

Like Oberto, Thomas is a good deep bench big. Still need a starter level big but the summer is just getting started :hungry:


Its a no brainer. I still think Thomas has a little gas left in the tank.

He proved that down the stretch when Duncan woudl sit out getting his double doubles every night.

Plus, he could easily fill that Tony Massenburg, Kevin Willis role.

[texasmade006]

what are we doing with Gooden? We don't have him anymore?

[DPG21920]

Wow, I love how many of us a ST called this trade months ago. Good job minds of ST. Can 228 post the link to the RJ Think tank thread please?

This is outstanding and everything that needs to be said has been. Fills a hole, is a big time 4th option (legit "big 4" now at positions of need) and is a Spurs type player.

Spurs need to add a center and stay healthy, and this move alone does not put them past the Lakers, but it makes them damn close if they can add another piece.

Bad news is, that they do not have room to sign someone using the MLE.

[timvp]

if the spurs do get bowen back, would we be able to pay him less than he was making last year?Bowen would likely be back at the vet minimum. He'll be paid ~$2M from the Bucks and the vet minimum is worth about $1.4M, so he'll be getting a fair salary next season.

[baseline bum]

what are we doing with Gooden? We don't have him anymore?

Gooden's not a realistic option anymore unless he's willing to play for Bonner-level money. That might end up being his market value though.

[Vic Petro]

Just read the Dallas Morning News version of the article. The comments are priceless.

Mavs fans are on the ledge.

[baseline bum]

Bowen would likely be back at the vet minimum. He'll be paid ~$2M from the Bucks and the vet minimum is worth about $1.4M, so he'll be getting a fair salary next season.

Won't the league be paying the majority of that minimum salary also, since Bruce is 38?

[EricB]

Bowen would likely be back at the vet minimum. He'll be paid ~$2M from the Bucks and the vet minimum is worth about $1.4M, so he'll be getting a fair salary next season.


Yeah Bowen is gonna make his money, plus, Bowen has never cared about money, he's proven that in the past by taking pay cuts and restructuring deals and what not.

[Libri]

Putting money aside, who is a better fit for this team, Rasheed or McDyess? As we all know, Rasheed is versatile and can hit the 3. McDyess likes to do the dirty work, plus he can knock down the mid range jumper.

[ElNono]

This is a great trade... RJ can definitely play... good move :tu

[timvp]

Won't the league be paying the majority of that minimum salary also, since Bruce is 38?

Yes.

[rascal]

Now I REALLY hope we have something in the works to address our frontcourt depth...


Thomas and Oberto are not any big loss. The spurs aren't winning with those guys.

[baseline bum]

Putting money aside, who is a better fit for this team, Rasheed or McDyess? As we all know, Rasheed is versatile and can hit the 3. McDyess likes to do the dirty work, plus he can knock down the mid range jumper.

Right now I'd take Dice over Sheed pretty clearly. Now that the Spurs have another good defender to keep people out of the lane, Sheed's D becomes less important than McDyess' rebounding.

[Spurminator]

This trade is good either way but the idea of getting Bruce Bowen back has me dancing in my basketball pants. It's still a no-brainer even if the Bucks decided to keep Bowen, but it would be bittersweet.

And I'm guessing the Ghost will be very happy about today's developments too.

[Spurminator]

Thomas and Oberto are not any big loss. The spurs aren't winning with those guys.

Not a big loss, but it's a loss of bodies. Still, there isn't a chance in hell the Spurs are done making moves so I nominate my first post in this thread for Captain Obvious quote of the week.

[Bruno]

For the playoffs, Parker will play 38mpg, Ginobili 32mpg and Jefferson 40mpg. IMO, Hill is a keeper and will play 20mpg split between the PG and SG spot.

After that, only 14 mpg (6 at SG and 8 at SF) are available. Bowen is enough to play these minutes. Having a shooter would be also quite good but he should be damn cheap.

Mason and Finley (if he picks his options) should be traded for a big. They are too expensive for the limited role they can have on this team.

[duncan228]

Can 228 post the link to the RJ Think tank thread please?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124681

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

For the playoffs, Parker will play 38mpg, Ginobili 32mpg and Jefferson 40mpg. IMO, Hill is a keeper and will play 20mpg split between the PG and SG spot.

After that, only 14 mpg (6 at SG and 8 at SF) are available. Bowen is enough to play these minutes. Having a shooter would be also quite good but he should be damn cheap.

Mason and Finley (if he picks his options) should be traded for a big. They are too expensive for the limited role they can have on this team.

:tu That makes a lot of sense.

[rascal]

If this trade goes down, the Spurs are back.

Even if RJ regresses further physically, he's still by far the best fourth option the Spurs have had in recent years. As Shoog said, eating up Finley's minutes makes this trade a huge win all by itself.


They are still far from back but its a step in the right direction. They still need a couple key frontline additions.

[timvp]

For the playoffs, Parker will play 38mpg, Ginobili 32mpg and Jefferson 40mpg. IMO, Hill is a keeper and will play 20mpg split between the PG and SG spot.

After that, only 14 mpg (6 at SG and 8 at SF) are available. Bowen is enough to play these minutes. Having a shooter would be also quite good but he should be damn cheap.

Mason and Finley (if he picks his options) should be traded for a big. They are too expensive for the limited role they can have on this team.Good point about Jefferson's minutes. He's a player who can withstand playing a lot of minutes. If the Fab 4 can stay healthy, you don't need that much depth behind them in the playoffs.

Hill alone could be enough ... seriously.