Big Baby to San Antonio? Grant Hill to Boston?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Yeah I have to agree I don't like this move, if it indeed happens.

I think hestoo soft around the rim, his low post game is mediocre, while as its been said he got alot of points, he took alot of shots to get it.

I'd personally much rather have Antonio McDyess.

We don't need a big with a low post game, that's what Tim is there for.

We need a guy who isn't afraid to shoot and can knock down shots. Davis could fill this role.

Took a lot of shots to get it? He shot 50% in the playoffs averaging 15.8 PPG along the way. Yeah, talk about a volume shooter :rolleyes

Damn dude, if you aren't going to pay attention, then put down the keyboard and just scroll.

[timvp]

Do you agree with this strategy if true?

Not really. I'd rather get another big that can rebound and block shots. If Big Baby is the starter next to Duncan next season, it's difficult to imagine the defense improving too much ... especially if Bowen isn't on the team.

[objective]

If true, Pop and TD are tired of having shrinking violets playing in the frontcourt.

Boston won a title with this guy getting significant minutes in the frontcourt, despite his Bonner-like rebounding and shotblocking stats....

they won a title with him getting significant minutes in the frontcourt?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4313/gamelog;_ylt=AvfJ8MtdA9SRUY6WwYY1JCmqPaB4?year=200 7

14.5 minutes in game 6, the 39 point blowout. DNP-CDs in games 1-5.

[Libri]

Who would have thought that by "big man" the Spurs meant width and not height.

[DPG21920]

Lets clarify:

1) He is not long nor a good defender
2) He has hit some big shots, but is a 37% jump shooter
3) He rebounds worse than Bonner
4) Blocks less shots than Bonner
5) Will likely command the full MLE
6) Does nothing to help Tim anchor the defense

That it?

[rayray2k8]

Oh hell no.. I rather have Bonner. :lol

[objective]

Lets clarify:

1) He is not long nor a good defender
2) He has hit some big shots, but is a 37% jump shooter
3) He rebounds worse than Bonner
4) Blocks less shots than Bonner
5) Will likely command the full MLE
6) Does nothing to help Tim anchor the defense

That it?

7) No three-point range

[DesignatedT]

Who would have thought that by "big man" the Spurs meant width and not height.

:lol:lol:lol

[mogrovejo]

Yes, but like I mentioned, that shot has everyone over rating him as a "good" shooter. He is ok. But he did hit a few big shots in the playoffs, so that sticks in people's minds.

He's a solid mid-range shooter. He didn't got lucky in the playoffs. He was hitting that elbow jumper quite consistently for the 2nd half of the season. His overall season numbers don't look good because he was missing at an alarming rate earlier in the season - at one point, his overall FG% was 20% or so; he was probably making 5% of his jumpers. But Doc kept asking him to take that shot, because he was making those jumpers in practices since last season and spent the entire Summer working on them and he finally put it together somewhen mid-season.

This was a very discussed issue among Celtics fans last season. It happened this way. He's now a reliable option to shoot from the mid-range.


Also, he gets too much credit for being a good low post defender. Not true at all.

You're wrong, it's absolutely true. He's great technique, he gets great leverage, he likes to get physical, he pushes guys out of their confort zone, he fights for position, he has the footwork to defend from behind,1/2 or 3/4. The only reason he's just good but not great or excellent is because he's too short and guys can always shoot over him.

[Marcus Bryant]

MB, Why do you think it could be a crafty move?

Because he fits a role instead of a fantasy league. Spurs need someone who can get to spots on defense, set picks, and compete. Not someone who can put up a shitload of stats but is in reality, worthless. Gooden comes to mind. Gooden can best a bunch of other 4 men when it comes to scoring and rebounding, yet how many teams has he been on now after 8 years in the league and at 27 years of age? That's because he can't figure out rotations and how to do what is needed to do to free up a team's stars to win.

[DPG21920]

Not really. I'd rather get another big that can rebound and block shots. If Big Baby is the starter next to Duncan next season, it's difficult to imagine the defense improving too much ... especially if Bowen isn't on the team.

God, that is another aspect I completely forgot to look at. Spurs really needed to upgrade their defense.

RJ over Fin will help, but Baby - KT&Bowen?

[EricB]

We don't need a big with a low post game, that's what Tim is there for.

We need a guy who isn't afraid to shoot and can knock down shots. Davis could fill this role.

Took a lot of shots to get it? He shot 50% in the playoffs averaging 15.8 PPG along the way. Yeah, talk about a volume shooter :rolleyes

Damn dude, if you aren't going to pay attention, then put down the keyboard and just scroll.


No thanks Ill keep the keyboard forum nazi.

You need a big with a low post game when Duncan is out of the game to post up and keep 4 down a viable offensive play. The Spurs really hurt this year due to no post offense.


Davis is as has been said, a horrible rebounder as well and this team needs a tough gritty rebounder next to him, ala, Antonio McDyess.

[celldweller]

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Ah.....Nope! This won't work. First ass chewing could be suicidal.

[galvatron3000]

Not really. I'd rather get another big that can rebound and block shots. If Big Baby is the starter next to Duncan next season, it's difficult to imagine the defense improving too much ... especially if Bowen isn't on the team.

my thoughts exactly, defense being better would be hard to imagine with BB in the start spot. I'm thinking Tim is "officially" moving to the center spot for this season (Yao will be out) and the Spurs are going mobile 4 who can shoot the 15'-18 footer consistently but not ruling out Camby just in case the Spurs are bluffing some folks. Not too surprised about Sheed, Spurs are up to something good or bad, hopefully excellent:flag:

[ElNono]

:smchode: :td

[Shastafarian]

He averaged 8.4 minutes in the Hawks series, never playing more than 20 minutes.

He averaged 6.28 minutes in the Cleveland series (got a DNP in game 7)

He averaged 4 minutes in the Detroit series. He received 3 DNPs and his highest total in minutes was 11 in game 4 (19 point loss).

[Marcus Bryant]

Lets clarify:

1) He is not long nor a good defender

Other than the ability to get to the spots he's supposed to and frustrate TD himself.



2) He has hit some big shots, but is a 37% jump shooter


How'd Bonner's 50% regular season 3 point shooting vagina fare in the postseason?




3) He rebounds worse than Bonner

BFD. Could Bonner have helped the C's push the Magic to a 7th game?



4) Blocks less shots than Bonner


The difference is insignificant at best. And furthermore, if we want to harp on stats all day there are plenty of regular season warriors who wuss out come winning time.



5) Will likely command the full MLE


Doesn't matter if the Spurs aren't set on finding a starting big via free agency.





6) Does nothing to help Tim anchor the defense



See #1.

[Ditty]

davis shot close to 50% in the playoffs

dont get me wrong davis will be a hell of a guy to bring off the bench behind duncan

and a threat when we get to close games and we need a guy to score

he's young, and is said to be a hard worker

but i believe dejuan blair will be the same guy but with rebounding i dunno a blair and davis out there would be intersting IMO (not because there both fat) :)

[DPG21920]

He's a solid mid-range shooter. He didn't got lucky in the playoffs. He was hitting that elbow jumper quite consistently for the 2nd half of the season. His overall season numbers don't look good because he was missing at an alarming rate earlier in the season - at one point, his overall FG% was 20% or so; he was probably making 5% of his jumpers. But Doc kept asking him to take that shot, because he was making those jumpers in practices since last season and spent the entire Summer working on them and he finally put it together somewhen mid-season.

This was a very discussed issue among Celtics fans last season. It happened this way. He's now a reliable option to shoot from the mid-range.



You're wrong, it's absolutely true. He's great technique, he gets great leverage, he likes to get physical, he pushes guys out of their confort zone, he fights for position, he has the footwork to defend from behind,1/2 or 3/4. The only reason he's just good but not great or excellent is because he's too short and guys can always shoot over him.


Well all of the numbers to date show him being very "average" in jump shooting. You can look up season splits if you like to see if there was a major jump like you claimed in his %'s.

I have watched Boston a ton. He does have good feet for a heavy guy, but he is not a good defender. You are giving him too much credit for "pushing guys out of their comfort zone". The guys get to spots in most situations and like you said, they shoot over him.

[tmtcsc]

Maybe the twitter dude is wrong. I'm not thrilled with Davis. Seems like we need some height out there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

No thanks Ill keep the keyboard forum nazi.

You need a big with a low post game when Duncan is out of the game to post up and keep 4 down a viable offensive play. The Spurs really hurt this year due to no post offense.


Davis is as has been said, a horrible rebounder as well and this team needs a tough gritty rebounder next to him, ala, Antonio McDyess.

Davis is a pick and roll guy. Gee, I can't see how someone with such a skill set would ever be successful with the likes of RJ, Manu, and Tony...

Anyway, if you care that much about 4down being viable with the second unit, throw it in to Dejuan. He balled guys his size and larger (including a clinic on Thabeet's seven foot ass) at Pitt.

You whine that you would rather have Dice now that we missed out on 'Sheed. Neither one of those guys was going to do any work on the low block, Duncan or not.

[45 bank shot]

o c'mon folks, I don't believe this speculation shit. So this guy broke down the NEWS of Rasheed signing with the C's. It's merely speculation at this phase for baby tho.
I highly doubt the deal will go down

[bless1187]

Fox Sports New England reported that Spurs are very close to a deal with G. Davis.

[Marcus Bryant]

Davis is a pick and roll guy. Gee, I can't see how someone with such a skill set would ever be successful with the likes of RJ, Manu, and Tony...

[ElNono]

Fox Sports New England reported that Spurs are very close to a deal with G. Davis.

Well, fuck me... Don't do it Pop!!!!!

[HarlemHeat37]

So our frontcourt with Big Baby would be..

-Arguably the best big man in the NBA, but has injury concerns..

-A short PF with an offensive-minded game, and not known for his defense..
-Another short PF, and has no ACLs..
-A guy from Europe that was a bust during his first stint in the NBA..
-A guy that gets injured any time he walks..

These guys could all end up achieving their potential and being solid players, making us a legit contender..but how can the front office take the risk?..there's just as good of a chance that they'll all disappoint..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lol I just don't get why you don't think Tanq could be a reliable source for anything but any other beat reporter or writer could be.

He obviously knows people in the Celtics organization or he wouldn't have broken the news about Rasheed signing.

Anyway, it doesn't matter and I don't care if the Spurs get Big Baby or not; I just think it's hilarious that you are so against him being possibly right.

I'm not "against him being possibly right" at all. I'm saying that he's as possibly right as you or me or the guy down the street.

This is from the Tweet: "Glen Davis could be gone to San Antonio, as they are prepared to offer their mid-level slot, which it is my understanding that Boston will not match."

Look at the language, "Glen Davis COULD be gone to SA". In other words, this is just conjecture. Then he says it's "his understanding" that Boston won't match the MLE for him - in other words, he thinks he's right about them not matching Davis for the MLE because he has a source. He's put his cred on the line a little bit with the second comment, but not the one about the Spurs.

What I'm trying to point out is that this "information" of his has as much weight behind it as your conjecture or mine. He sites no source, and we have no reason to believe he has any insider information from a Spurs source, he's basically just making it up as you or I would. I'm not saying he might not be right, but I am saying that he's no more certain of being right about the Spurs' involvement than anyone else on the planet (except Spurs insiders), although he's misleading people to believe otherwise.

[DPG21920]

Other than the ability to get to the spots he's supposed to and frustrate TD himself.

Typical Spur thinking. Play good against the Spurs once or twice and you are the best player ever.




How'd Bonner's 50% regular season 3 point shooting vagina fare in the postseason?

It sucked and the Spurs lost. They will suck worse and lose more with Davis and his 37% with less range. Closer to the basket = easier to put the ball in and he fails over a big sample size. But he has hit some big shots in the playoffs, so he has that over Bonner.





BFD. Could Bonner have helped the C's push the Magic to a 7th game?

Baby played well, does not mean he would help the Spurs have a legit shot at a title.




The difference is insignificant at best. And furthermore, if we want to harp on stats all day there are plenty of regular season warriors who wuss out come winning time.



Doesn't matter if the Spurs aren't set on finding a starting big via free agency.

Not just stats, but most are in agreement that the Spurs need more shot blocking. Getting worse than Bonner in the department does not help.

I agree if they are looking to trade for a legit starter, than great.

[EricB]

Yeah looks like they are gonna sign him to an offer sheet.

Didn't see this coming at all.

Strange.

[BlackSwordsMan]

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Ah.....Nope! This won't work. First ass chewing could be suicidal.

:rollin:rollin
I choked on my sonic slushie

[timvp]

Fox Sports New England reported that Spurs are very close to a deal with G. Davis.

I can't believe I scoffed the idea of Brandon Bass.

[Marcus Bryant]

One wonders how the forum would have reacted to the Bowen signing back in the day. Wasn't Bowen in the bottom decile among swingmen in most statistical categories?

[EricB]

The "RJ trade was bad" bs is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted.

That trade was a damn STEAL.

[clubalien]

Either ian or blair must be starting. they must think they have the answer already

[poeticism707]

Davis is a pick and roll guy. Gee, I can't see how someone with such a skill set would ever be successful with the likes of RJ, Manu, and Tony...

Anyway, if you care that much about 4down being viable with the second unit, throw it in to Dejuan. He balled guys his size and larger (including a clinic on Thabeet's seven foot ass) at Pitt.

You whine that you would rather have Dice now that we missed out on 'Sheed. Neither one of those guys was going to do any work on the low block, Duncan or not.

Great post, I agree 100%.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm not "against him being possibly right" at all. I'm saying that he's as possibly right as you or me or the guy down the street.

This is from the Tweet: "Glen Davis could be gone to San Antonio, as they are prepared to offer their mid-level slot, which it is my understanding that Boston will not match."

Look at the language, "Glen Davis COULD be gone to SA". In other words, this is just conjecture. Then he says it's "his understanding" that Boston won't match the MLE for him - in other words, he thinks he's right about them not matching Davis for the MLE because he has a source. He's put his cred on the line a little bit with the second comment, but not the one about the Spurs.

What I'm trying to point out is that this "information" of his has as much weight behind it as your conjecture or mine. He sites no source, and we have no reason to believe he has any insider information from a Spurs source, he's basically just making it up as you or I would. I'm not saying he might not be right, but I am saying that he's no more certain of being right about the Spurs' involvement than anyone else on the planet (except Spurs insiders), although he's misleading people to believe otherwise.

No, his information is not the same as yours or mine, as he is close to the Celtics and we aren't. He isn't going to site a source when something isn't done yet... that's how you lose sources. (Media 101 ;) )

[Shastafarian]

I can't believe I scoffed the idea of Brandon Bass.

We can only hope the rumors about it being for the MLE aren't true. Then again, if they aren't true, what's the point as Boston will match.

[45 bank shot]

I can't believe I scoffed the idea of Brandon Bass.

why can't i find anything about Davis coming to SA on the internet.
stop panicking

[EricB]

One wonders how the forum would have reacted to the Bowen signing back in the day. Wasn't Bowen in the bottom decile among swingmen in most statistical categories?

Well, there was a forum around in the June of 2001, cause thats when I first showed up, and thats when they signed Bowen IIRC.

I believe you were there...

[td4mvp21]

If we got Davis.....WOW

[Kori Ellis]

Fox Sports New England reported that Spurs are very close to a deal with G. Davis.

Well if they are very close, then we'll probably know tomorrow either way. Hopefully they can somehow get him for less than the MLE (if they set on getting him).

[DPG21920]

I do not think anyone cares about Baby being a Spurs as long as it is in a bench role. If they blow the MLE on him and expect him to start then that is a big risk. I would not want to tell Duncan "we got you some help. Ya, the guy who cried last year. Ya the stubby dude."

[Libri]

Fox Sports New England reported that Spurs are very close to a deal with G. Davis.

If it's true, we will soon have confirmation.

[scottspurs]

Taco Cabana employees all over San Antonio rejoice. Overtime.

With Blair and Big Baby Spurs will have a helluva flag footbal team.

Still LMAO! :lmao

[completely deck]

Spurstalk just imploded

[50 cent]

Hilarious. You guys have been bitching for years about the Spurs signing old washed up guys and now that they go for some decent youth, you are pissed.

Big Baby >>> Brandon Bass.

McDyess and Rasheed are 36 come next season. This is not a bad thing.

[ElNono]

You know what it is... is that game against Boston we played and Big Baby played great against Duncan... I bet you Pop was drooling ever since... we should have seen this one coming.

Can't believe it.

[tmtcsc]

One wonders how the forum would have reacted to the Bowen signing back in the day. Wasn't Bowen in the bottom decile among swingmen in most statistical categories?

Nah, people were happy to here that we had a defensive specialist coming that could guard Kobe.

[HarlemHeat37]

Marcus Bryant..

do you feel like Duncan can still play the same elite D that we're used to, where he can make up for the other guy?..I don't think he can on a consistent basis, which is why I've wanted the Spurs to get a big man that can play defense..

if we got Big Baby 2 years ago, I would be all for it..Duncan isn't the same player, and we no longer have Bowen on the perimeter..

so for those in favor of an offensive-minded PF..you guys really believe Duncan, who is going to be 34 in the playoffs, can still completely dominate a game defensively on a consistent basis?..

[Blackjack]

This would be sooo Spurs.:lol

Ya know, I heard David Chancellor ask R.C. about the prospect of Blair starting, which seemed the usual clueless question we've become accustomed to, but it might not be all that crazy.

If the Spurs don't have a trade in the works for a legit defensive-big to follow the acquisition of Davis, I'm thinking it might be wise to start the over/under of games until Blair becomes a starter...

Those Spurs some wild and crazy guys!

[poeticism707]

He's a solid mid-range shooter. He didn't got lucky in the playoffs. He was hitting that elbow jumper quite consistently for the 2nd half of the season. His overall season numbers don't look good because he was missing at an alarming rate earlier in the season - at one point, his overall FG% was 20% or so; he was probably making 5% of his jumpers. But Doc kept asking him to take that shot, because he was making those jumpers in practices since last season and spent the entire Summer working on them and he finally put it together somewhen mid-season.

This was a very discussed issue among Celtics fans last season. It happened this way. He's now a reliable option to shoot from the mid-range.

Excellent post, very detailed and honest.

Spurs would do very well to get Davis with the MLE.


You're wrong, it's absolutely true. He's great technique, he gets great leverage, he likes to get physical, he pushes guys out of their confort zone, he fights for position, he has the footwork to defend from behind,1/2 or 3/4. The only reason he's just good but not great or excellent is because he's too short and guys can always shoot over him.

Excellent post, very detailed and honest.

Spurs would do very well to get Davis with the MLE.

[EricB]

I do not think anyone cares about Baby being a Spurs as long as it is in a bench role. If they blow the MLE on him and expect him to start then that is a big risk. I would not want to tell Duncan "we got you some help. Ya, the guy who cried last year. Ya the stubby dude."

Im not a BB fan, but the whole crying thing was way overblown.

[tp2021]

Man this is all just too weird. Reports seem to indicate that we didn't go after Rasheed hard. Now we're hearing about Haislip, and being mentioned for Big Baby, both of whom really are backup bigs if that.

Makes me think something is up. Either Splitter's coming, we've been quietly working on a 'Dice/Zaza type pickup, or a trade is in the works for our starting big...

[Marcus Bryant]

Typical Spur thinking. Play good against the Spurs once or twice and you are the best player ever.

Yeah, it is only Duncan, after all.




It sucked and the Spurs lost. They will suck worse and lose more with Davis and his 37% with less range. Closer to the basket = easier to put the ball in and he fails over a big sample size. But he has hit some big shots in the playoffs, so he has that over Bonner.


ROFL. Bonner is shit. The sample size also shows once and for all that you can have the best shooting bigman in the league playing next to Duncan and it doesn't mean postseason success. Horry has warped Spurs fans into thinking that they need an outside shooting big next to TD. What Spurs fans should have learned from Horry was that the Spurs need a bigman next to TD who knows how to compete and play to win, or perhaps more concisely, has a nutsack.




Baby played well, does not mean he would help the Spurs have a legit shot at a title.


Davis plays well and almost takes down the new NBA prototypical frontcourt of the Eastern Conference champs and yet we're supposed to believe Bonner is just as good. My God stop looking at the fantasy league papers and wake up.




Not just stats, but most are in agreement that the Spurs need more shot blocking. Getting worse than Bonner in the department does not help.


Because Horry and Oberto were so intimidating in the paint.




I agree if they are looking to trade for a legit starter, than great.

Even if they're not, it's not the end of the world.

[Spurs9]

If we do end up signing him, he better lose like 50 pounds before the season starts.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Maybe the twitter dude is wrong. I'm not thrilled with Davis. Seems like we need some height out there.


o c'mon folks, I don't believe this speculation shit. So this guy broke down the NEWS of Rasheed signing with the C's. It's merely speculation at this phase for baby tho.
I highly doubt the deal will go down

Yay! Some media-savvy in evidence! :lol


Fox Sports New England reported that Spurs are very close to a deal with G. Davis.

Citing who as a source? No-one in the Spurs' organisation, I bet.

So Tanq's Tweet has now become "news" in the boston Globe and on Fox Infotainment Network. Wonderful. That's how news works these days - some Twit Tweets, and suddenly it's "news" around the world. So much for journalism. :pctoss

When the Spurs confirm it, I'll believe it.

[scottspurs]

Either ian or blair must be starting. they must think they have the answer already

IAN IS THE TRUTH. :flag:

[G-Nob]

Did I just wake up to a nightmare???

[DPG21920]

The "RJ trade was bad" bs is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted.

That trade was a damn STEAL.

Yes, in isolation. But you cannot review the goal (getting Tim a legit shot at a title) based on one move. A plan is a plan. There are multiple moves. If all of the moves lead to Baby and RJ, do the Spurs have a legit shot at winning?

[galvatron3000]

no one is saying it's true but it's out there and possbly is true, sheesh just like Sheed was coming to SA this week but turn to be untrue or a change of mind, we just debating the ssue true or false

[Duncan2177]

I would rather have Odom than Big Baby.

[johnnyblues]

http://www.fallen-legion.eu/news/data/upimages/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

http://www.fallen-legion.eu/news/data/upimages/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

:lmao :depressed

[45 bank shot]

http://www.fallen-legion.eu/news/data/upimages/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

lol

[bishopospurs]

You never what Pop is thinking, be patient. Right now it would appear that they will have to start Duncan at Center.
C- Duncan/Ian
PF- Blair/Big Baby or switched
Not idea, but I am sure Pop is working something out. I am personally excited to see what goes down. When was the last time an off season has been this exciting?

[clubalien]

though: dice said he will sign for the LLE, just he will take a long time deciding. we are getting insurance incase he doesn't sign with us and have a trade for bonner + finely for something better?

[Spurs9]

I would rather have Odom than Big Baby.
WTF kind of statement is that?! Is there ANYONE would would chose Davis over Odom??? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MaNu4Tres]

One wonders how the forum would have reacted to the Bowen signing back in the day. Wasn't Bowen in the bottom decile among swingmen in most statistical categories?

He was on the All NBA Defensive team his last year in Miami. And Spurs had gotten murdered by Kobe. Statistics didn't justify what he brought to the table. Only blind fans didn't understand the Bowen signing.

[45 bank shot]

I would rather have Odom than Big Baby.

who wouldn't

[td4mvp21]

Fucking get McDyess and no one FUCKING else.

[Marcus Bryant]

Would someone like to remind me what the SA-Cleveland NBA Finals 2007 frontcourt matchup looked like, on paper?

[EricB]

Yes, in isolation. But you cannot review the goal (getting Tim a legit shot at a title) based on one move. A plan is a plan. There are multiple moves. If all of the moves lead to Baby and RJ, do the Spurs have a legit shot at winning?

Bullshit.

Whatever happens that trade was a steal.

Sell trading for a borderline all star for nothing to someone else cause it doesn't compute.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, it is only Duncan, after all.




ROFL. Bonner is shit. The sample size also shows once and for all that you can have the best shooting bigman in the league playing next to Duncan and it doesn't mean postseason success. Horry has warped Spurs fans into thinking that they need an outside shooting big next to TD. What Spurs fans should have learned from Horry was that the Spurs need a bigman next to TD who knows how to compete and play to win, or perhaps more concisely, has a nutsack.




Davis plays well and almost takes down the new NBA prototypical frontcourt of the Eastern Conference champs and yet we're supposed to believe Bonner is just as good. My God stop looking at the fantasy league papers and wake up.




Because Horry and Oberto were so intimidating in the paint.




Even if they're not, it's not the end of the world.

One thing you are missing is that Horry and Oberto were much better defenders.

[Shastafarian]

though: dice said he will sign for the LLE, just he will take a long time deciding. we are getting insurance incase he doesn't sign with us and have a trade for bonner + finely for something better?

??? Link?

[mingus]

would signingg Gooden be a better move at this point - serious question?

personally, it think i'd actually have Gooden.

[DPG21920]

Bullshit.

Whatever happens that trade was a steal.

Sell trading for a borderline all star for nothing to someone else cause it doesn't compute.

So, if the Spurs took on RJ's contract, pay luxury tax, lose profits and do not have a legit shot to win while Tim is a Spur (wasting him), and are handcuffed with regards to going a different direction it is a good trade?

[scottspurs]

You never what Pop is thinking, be patient. Right now it would appear that they will have to start Duncan at Center.
C- Duncan/Ian
PF- Blair/Big Baby or switched
Not idea, but I am sure Pop is working something out. I am personally excited to see what goes down. When was the last time an off season has been this exciting?

Thats the Spirit!:flag:

[EricB]

Gooden sucks.

I don't like DAVIS but Davis>>>>>>> Gooden

[timvp]

Positive Big Baby Traits:

1. He cares about winning

2. Good energy defensively

3. Has decent range on his shot

4. Has shown clutch ability

5. He's only 23


If you are going to spend the MLE, I'd actually start him. He's more of a complementary piece who can score when others have the attention. I don't like him as much off the bench because his main strengths need a lot of steady minutes. It's not an accident that he played best as a starter.

If you want to look at this as glass half full, the best thing to note is that Big Baby has more potential than any other attainable free agent bigman. Players like Bass or Pachulia aren't going to get much better. Big Baby is young enough and has shown enough promise that he could potentially turn into a pretty damn good player.

That said, I don't like the short-term fit. The MLE wouldn't be THAT horrible to spend on him because he definitely has talent. My problem is the fit. For example, if a team like the Grizzlies signed him to a maxed out MLE instead of trading for Zach Randolph, I'd say that's a solid move.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

BigBaby is our plan B..... :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[mogrovejo]

Well all of the numbers to date show him being very "average" in jump shooting. You can look up season splits if you like to see if there was a major jump like you claimed in his %'s.

I have watched Boston a ton. He does have good feet for a heavy guy, but he is not a good defender. You are giving him too much credit for "pushing guys out of their comfort zone". The guys get to spots in most situations and like you said, they shoot over him.

I can't find the splits exclusively for jump-shots, but I have this data:

Until Jan 19th: 28% on jump-shots
End of the season: 37% on jump-shots

Can you figure out the kind of improvement necessary to cause this 9% increase in 37 games? And those 28% were already an improvement. He hit his jumpers at a very high rate since December.


Well, pushing guys out of their comfort zone is a big part of a good low post defence, especially for a team like the C's who rarely front the post. Check his defence on Tim Duncan, for example. I mean, height is an issue, but don't you consider Chuck Hayes a good post defender? And Davis contests the shots, it's not that easy to score on him. You can complain about his lack of shot-blocking, but his individual low post defence is as good as it you're going to get from a player of his length.

[objective]

Nah, people were happy to here that we had a defensive specialist coming that could guard Kobe.

And Bowen was incredibly cheap, didn't he sign for the minimum?

[45 bank shot]

though: dice said he will sign for the LLE, just he will take a long time deciding. we are getting insurance incase he doesn't sign with us and have a trade for bonner + finely for something better?

what the hell is this?

[La Peace]

I'd rather take Gooden or McDyess, McDyess first.

[mogrovejo]

I think Davis doesn't deserve the MLE. $3 millions per year would be a decent contract. But his lack of rebounding worries me.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No, his information is not the same as yours or mine, as he is close to the Celtics and we aren't. He isn't going to site a source when something isn't done yet... that's how you lose sources. (Media 101 ;) )

Yes, he's close to the Celtics, not the Spurs. Just because he knows the Celtics won't match the MLE for him (which he put his balls on the line about) doesn't mean he knows Baby is going to the Spurs (which he did NOT put his balls on the line about - he dodged it by using "could").

I didn't suggest he'd directly cite the source, because of course he'd then lose that source, but if he was getting his info from inside the organisation he'd say "a source inside the Celtics" or something similar, not just "could".

Anyway, we'll see when the Spurs pipe up and respond to this.

[scottspurs]

Spurs finally go young and everyone freaks out. Duncan is going to play center and have some banger PFs. Spurs are going to wreck shop next year.

[EricB]

And Bowen was incredibly cheap, didn't he sign for the minimum?

IIRC Bowen signed for a couple mill a year.

Maybe not.

[DPG21920]

And what is all of this "fantasy numbers" talk from you MB? Like Bonner/Baby are some fantasy studs :lol.

I would rather have Rasho, Dice, ZaZa, pretty much anyone who is better than Baby on defense. I do not care at all about offense, how is that "fantasy"?

Not only does Baby not get "stats" defensively, guys get to their spots and shoot over him.

[ManuTP9]

http://i41.tinypic.com/34ybfok.gif

[tp2021]

BigBaby is our plan B..... :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Sheed was never Plan A. This actually seems like a CIA move to get a young (hopefully bench IMO) big

[ElNono]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/29/boxman_is_not_amused.jpg

[EricB]

If you people think the Spurs sign or go after anyone without Duncan knowing and agreeing, you're on drugs.

[GooberNuts]

though: dice said he will sign for the LLE, just he will take a long time deciding. we are getting insurance incase he doesn't sign with us and have a trade for bonner + finely for something better?

When did Dice say he would sign for the LLE?? If somehow we land him and Big Baby then comes off the bench, that's a solid rotation, especially with the other young bigs we have coming up.

[montgod]

Odom is still out there :)

[45 bank shot]

http://i41.tinypic.com/34ybfok.gif
did u just make this lol?

[45 bank shot]

When did Dice say he would sign for the LLE?? If somehow we land him and Big Baby then comes off the bench, that's a solid rotation, especially with the other young bigs we have coming up.

i think clubalien is B.Sing

[DPG21920]

I can't find the splits exclusively for jump-shots, but I have this data:

Until Jan 19th: 28% on jump-shots
End of the season: 37% on jump-shots

Can you figure out the kind of improvement necessary to cause this 9% increase in 37 games? And those 28% were already an improvement. He hit his jumpers at a very high rate since December.


Well, pushing guys out of their comfort zone is a big part of a good low post defence, especially for a team like the C's who rarely front the post. Check his defence on Tim Duncan, for example. I mean, height is an issue, but don't you consider Chuck Hayes a good post defender? And Davis contests the shots, it's not that easy to score on him. You can complain about his lack of shot-blocking, but his individual low post defence is as good as it you're going to get from a player of his length.

Is this a joke? Did you just compare Chuck to Baby with regards to low post d? Baby lets guys get to their spots, he does not prevent them from getting there.

Every once and a while, when he is at a spot early, he does a good job about keeping guys there, but that is not a consistent trait.

[objective]

IIRC Bowen signed for a couple mill a year.

Maybe not.

found it, confirmed my memory that he started with the Spurs on a one-year deal.

basketball reference estimated yearly salaries:

01-02 = $715,850

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bowenbr01.html

[Spurs9]

Lets not start freaking out yet. This is a TWITTER post, its not official. If we do sign him maybe it will work out, I hate this deal as much as anyone else but who knows. The spurs know best right? He would be much better if he dropped alot of weight, which he may be doing in the offseason for all we know,

[tp2021]

If you people think the Spurs sign or go after anyone without Duncan knowing and agreeing, you're on drugs.

Pop probably calls Tim when he goes out to let him know if he will be having wine with his dinner.

[Ditty]

though: dice said he will sign for the LLE, just he will take a long time deciding. we are getting insurance incase he doesn't sign with us and have a trade for bonner + finely for something better?

wouldnt that be nice thats what i thought he would sign for anyways

pretty much finley is on the way out

(my friends mom does eva's hair and eva said that)

if camby comes then were good

[SouthTexasRancher]

This is from Gary Tanguay who first broke the story days ago that Rasheed was heading to Boston:

"I expect Grant Hill to be a Celtic soon. He has met with Doc Rivers in person. Looks like Big Baby is gone to San Antonio"

http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay

If true you guys are getting a very likable player in Big Baby.


If that turns out to be true then Pop & R.C. are using Michael Jackson's left-over drugs and it would make the statement that Peter Holt wanted them to go all out to bring back the championship a lie. Hell, we just drafted a better Glen Davis, in Dujan Blair, than the original Big Baby. This has to be hogwash.

OK, give me a moment to wake up from this nightmare..........ok, I'm awake. It was just a bad dream. RC will announce tomorrow that McDyess will be here on the 8th to sign the MLE, which is better than Sheed doing it.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

WTF kind of statement is that?! Is there ANYONE would would chose Davis over Odom??? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Actually, it's called a "motherhood statement", which is a statement that no-one can argue against or they look like an idiot. Politicians speak in motherhood statement 98% of the time, and the other 2% is mistakes.

[scottspurs]

I'd rather take Gooden or McDyess, McDyess first.

Gooden looks like a chicken with his head cut-off out there. NO THANKS.

[DPG21920]

Positive Big Baby Traits:

1. He cares about winning

2. Good energy defensively

3. Has decent range on his shot

4. Has shown clutch ability

5. He's only 23


If you are going to spend the MLE, I'd actually start him. He's more of a complementary piece who can score when others have the attention. I don't like him as much off the bench because his main strengths need a lot of steady minutes. It's not an accident that he played best as a starter.

If you want to look at this as glass half full, the best thing to note is that Big Baby has more potential than any other attainable free agent bigman. Players like Bass or Pachulia aren't going to get much better. Big Baby is young enough and has shown enough promise that he could potentially turn into a pretty damn good player.

That said, I don't like the short-term fit. The MLE wouldn't be THAT horrible to spend on him because he definitely has talent. My problem is the fit. For example, if a team like the Grizzlies signed him to a maxed out MLE instead of trading for Zach Randolph, I'd say that's a solid move.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[clubalien]

??? Link?

someone reported that (posted on spurstalk)ESPN radio said ny times that two teams that don't have the MLE were wanting him and another thread said he would take his time deciding the rest is my speculation.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant even attract sheed to come here, fail

[mingus]

Spurs need a damn rebounder , not a 2nd Bonner . Why not Verajao, McDyess, Pachullia, or Birdman?

i can't believe these reports. maybe it's wishful thinking, but I believe the Spurs have to be considering those four guys ^ instead of Big Baby , unless they feel there's no chance in landing them. Big baby shoul fifth on the list of FA big men .

that said, still a productive, damn good off-seasomn compared to any recents. if you told me Spurs would acquire RJ, Blair and Glenn Davis i wouldn't have believed it.

[tp2021]

someone reported that (posted on spurstalk)ESPN radio said ny times that two teams that don't have the MLE were wanting him and another thread said he would take his time deciding the rest is my speculation.

Maybe the Spurs are splitting the MLE between Big Baby and Dice...???

A Spurs fan can dream

[GooberNuts]

How much is the LLE? If we split the MLE with Big Baby and another big, this could work out. However, BB will probably want most if not all of the MLE.

If we do split the MLE with Baby and another big, who could that big be? Rasho? Any info on what Pachulia wants?

[tp2021]

cant even attract sheed to come here, fail

They got Tim to stay here. That's all the Spurs needed for a decade.

[completely deck]

(my friends mom does eva's hair and eva said that)

if camby comes then were good

lol

[kbrury]

Maybe the Spurs are splitting the MLE between Big Baby and Dice...???

A Spurs fan can dream
well if we split the MLE it would probably be low enough to where Boston can match the offer, from what I have read Boston really wants Davis back.

[ManuTP9]

did u just make this lol?

yeah:lol

[ElNono]

This has to be a bullshit rumor... pretty please?????

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/19/picdump-19.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

I already said I'm against this..if it's for the full MLE, there's no positive at all..

if we can sign him for part of it, and sign McDyess, or even Rasho, I'd feel better..not happy, but I'd feel better(Anything involving Dice is enough for me to be happy though)..

[scottspurs]

Spurs need a damn rebounder , not a 2nd Bonner . Why not Verajao, McDyess, Pachullia, or Birdman?

i can't believe these reports. maybe it's wishful thinking, but I believe the Spurs have to be considering those four guys ^ instead of Big Baby , unless they feel there's no chance in landing them. Big baby shoul fifth on the list of FA big men .

that said, still a productive, damn good off-seasomn compared to any recents. if you told me Spurs would acquire RJ, Blair and Glenn Davis i wouldn't have believed it.

The spurs have Duncan and Blair to get rebounds. They needed a post who could score off of the big 4.

[bishopospurs]

Maybe the Spurs are splitting the MLE between Big Baby and Dice...???

A Spurs fan can dream

that's what i was thinking/hoping

[montgod]

that's what i was thinking/hoping

Wishful thinking... McDyess wouldn't sign for less than the MLE when he knows he get can less and stay at home (Detroit).

[poeticism707]

I can't find the splits exclusively for jump-shots, but I have this data:

Until Jan 19th: 28% on jump-shots
End of the season: 37% on jump-shots

Can you figure out the kind of improvement necessary to cause this 9% increase in 37 games? And those 28% were already an improvement. He hit his jumpers at a very high rate since December.


Well, pushing guys out of their comfort zone is a big part of a good low post defence, especially for a team like the C's who rarely front the post. Check his defence on Tim Duncan, for example. I mean, height is an issue, but don't you consider Chuck Hayes a good post defender? And Davis contests the shots, it's not that easy to score on him. You can complain about his lack of shot-blocking, but his individual low post defence is as good as it you're going to get from a player of his length.

Very true! Excellent break down.

[Ditty]

lol

i meant that my friends mom does eva's hair and eva said that the spurs are trying to trade finley not if "we get camby were good" :lol

btw camby for finley,bonner,mason(who i dont want to trade):depressed would work to get camby he gets something liek 7 million this year so maybe and hopefully spurs can get him like we almost did at the trade deadline

[Marcus Bryant]

One thing you are missing is that Horry and Oberto were much better defenders.

Oberto? Come on. Though, yes, Oberto demonstrated what a show footed bigman with no hops who nonetheless could rotate could do playing alongside TD.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs finally go young and everyone freaks out.

No kidding.


Duncan is going to play center and have some banger PFs. Spurs are going to wreck shop next year.

Essentially.

[ducks]

booner for him in a sign and trade

[Marcus Bryant]

Gooden looks like a chicken with his head cut-off out there. NO THANKS.

Right. Gooden is exhibit A for not believing that stats determine a player's worth when you are looking for role players to help you win a championship.

[Das Texan]

oh fucking please let dejuan blair be everything he was in college and then some if this fucking shit is true.

[Ditty]

booner for him in a sign and trade

him that would actually be intersting and could work bonner is from boston and had his best game of the season there, and u get two red heads on the team :toast

[montgod]

booner for him in a sign and trade

Would never happen since you can only have one minimally athletic, three point shooting, red headed pf on a team at one time.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe the Spurs are splitting the MLE between Big Baby and Dice...???

A Spurs fan can dream

depending on what that looked like the C's might match.

[ElNono]

I don't think a S&T would work, since Boston is not really interested in trading him...

[mogrovejo]

Is this a joke? Did you just compare Chuck to Baby with regards to low post d? Baby lets guys get to their spots, he does not prevent them from getting there.

Every once and a while, when he is at a spot early, he does a good job about keeping guys there, but that is not a consistent trait.

Well, we'll have to disagree. I'm not a big fan of Davis by any means, but I think his low post defence is top notch. Baby fights for position really hard and there haven't been many players in the league able to get a good spot down low when facing him. Duncan wasn't, for example. This is also a very common opinion among Celtics fans - even those who absolutely hate him, and are many, say his low post defence is the only skill he as at a top level.

[Marcus Bryant]

And what is all of this "fantasy numbers" talk from you MB? Like Bonner/Baby are some fantasy studs :lol.

I would rather have Rasho, Dice, ZaZa, pretty much anyone who is better than Baby on defense. I do not care at all about offense, how is that "fantasy"?

Not only does Baby not get "stats" defensively, guys get to their spots and shoot over him.

Guys shoot over TD, maybe we should replace him.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

booner for him in a sign and trade

Ducks actually said something insightful!

With the Haislip signing, given that he looks like an offensively-oriented 4 with some range (duplicating what Bonner has to offer), S&Ting Bonner for Davis makes sense for the Spurs. However, it doesn't make sense for the Celts unless they want an expiring contract, and I don't think they do.

Back to the drawing board.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs need a damn rebounder , not a 2nd Bonner . Why not Verajao, McDyess, Pachullia, or Birdman?

i can't believe these reports. maybe it's wishful thinking, but I believe the Spurs have to be considering those four guys ^ instead of Big Baby , unless they feel there's no chance in landing them. Big baby shoul fifth on the list of FA big men .

that said, still a productive, damn good off-seasomn compared to any recents. if you told me Spurs would acquire RJ, Blair and Glenn Davis i wouldn't have believed it.

They drafted one in spades.

[Ditty]

depending on what that looked like the C's might match.

well because boston only has the LLE dosent that mean the spurs offer just a little more than the LLE and boston wouldn't be able to match?

[kbrury]

well because boston only has the LLE dosent that mean the spurs offer just a little more than the LLE and boston wouldn't be able to match?

he is restricted so they can match any offer.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

MB, who is that in your avatar? He looks like an Aussie racehorse trainer from the '50s...

[clubalien]

he is their player that can go over cap to save him without using an exception

[scottspurs]

:clap
Right. Gooden is exhibit A for not believing that stats determine a player's worth when you are looking for role players to help you win a championship.

+1

[Marcus Bryant]

well because boston only has the LLE dosent that mean the spurs offer just a little more than the LLE and boston wouldn't be able to match?

They have Early Bird Rights for him.

[Kindergarten Cop]

well because boston only has the LLE dosent that mean the spurs offer just a little more than the LLE and boston wouldn't be able to match?

I think that the Celtics would be able to spend any amount that they wish, since Davis is a RFA.

[DPG21920]

Guys shoot over TD, maybe we should replace him.

lmao at you comparing Baby to Duncan. This also coming from the guy who said: "Baby for the MLE could be a steal, but I would only take Bass for the minimum".

[Ditty]

well there is a salry cap so if they can spend as money they could on the player im pretty sure every resticted free agent on the team would end up getting staying

but early bird rights would mean on a resticted free agent?

[Man In Black]

I have to disagree with anyone saying Baby is slow or has poor lateral movement. The reason he can play with short arms and not much leap is because he is incredibly nimble for such a big man. He is exceptionally quick footed and even has successfully cut off opposing point guards on switches.

He has his shortcomings but his feet are gold.

That's the same thing people you say about John "Hot Plate" Williams. Who got the big deal and then promptly ate his way out of the NBA.

[DPG21920]

Getting young is not the goal. Getting younger and BETTER is. Baby could serve a purpose, but not a legit starter next to Duncan.

Spurs need a solid rebounder and defender who can alter shots.

But I guess because he is young and Duncan also has guys shooting over him, Davis is excellent :tu

[Marcus Bryant]

lmao at you comparing Baby to Duncan. This also coming from the guy who said: "Baby for the MLE could be a steal, but I would only take Bass for the minimum".

That's not a direct quote, for starters. If you would like to quote me, do so accurately. That's minimal forum courtesy.

Further, the statement I made regarding Bass taking the minimum was in response to someone postulating that Bass could be had for the LLE. I responded that I'd like to see Bass take the minimum, but the NBA is a business and not a charity.

Now, I can understand if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.

And I only point out that Duncan doesn't stop all offensive players from shooting over him to point out the folly in the standard you presented for defensive ability.

[Spursfan092120]

Spurs FO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us

They know what they're doing..doesn't matter if they sign Big Baby, McDyess, anyone...they know what they're doing, and they'll do what's best for this team...

[Kori Ellis]

The move does not put the Spurs out of contention for McDyess or other NBA big men they have been courting — such as Dallas' Brandon Bass and Boston's Glen “Big Baby” Davis — since free agency opened last week.

[ffadicted]

Boston better sign this guy and match anything the spurs may throw at him.
They owe us spurs fans one after stealing 'Sheed

[Spursmania]

Well, if we actually sign Big baby, the least we can do is give the guy a chance.

[DPG21920]

That's not a direct quote, for starters. If you would like to quote me, do so accurately. That's minimal forum courtesy.

Further, the statement I made regarding Bass taking the minimum was in response to someone postulating that Bass could be had for the LLE. I responded that I'd like to see Bass take the minimum, but the NBA is a business and not a charity.

Now, I can understand if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.

And I only point out that Duncan doesn't stop all offensive players from shooting over him to point out the folly in the standard you presented for defensive ability.

My mistake. I got the quotes confused. It is not about stoping ALL players, it is about being a good defender. I do not know if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.

[Trainwreck2100]

dear sweet fuck no

[Spursfan092120]

Well, if we actually sign Big baby, the least we can do is give the guy a chance.
http://www.eggzactly.tv/eggzactly_logo.png

[pawe]

I really dont have any problem with them getting Baby since he has a decent midrange jumper. I remember posters here loving KT for the same thing.

If baby were able to cover TD defensively even for just one game, wouldn't that tell you that the dude was seriously paying attention to scouting reports and was able to follow through? I'd like Baby or Gooden for the 2nd unit.

[Shastafarian]

That's not a direct quote, for starters. If you would like to quote me, do so accurately. That's minimal forum courtesy.

Further, the statement I made regarding Bass taking the minimum was in response to someone postulating that Bass could be had for the LLE. I responded that I'd like to see Bass take the minimum, but the NBA is a business and not a charity.

Now, I can understand if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.

And I only point out that Duncan doesn't stop all offensive players from shooting over him to point out the folly in the standard you presented for defensive ability.


My mistake. I got the quotes confused. It is not about stoping ALL players, it is about being a good defender. I do not know if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.

:corn:

[DPG21920]

I really dont have any problem with them getting Baby since he has a decent midrange jumper. I remember posters here loving KT for the same thing.

If baby were able to cover TD defensively even for just one game, wouldn't that tell you that the dude was seriously paying attention to scouting reports and was able to follow through? I'd like Baby or Gooden for the 2nd unit.

Yes but KT was a superior rebounder and low post defender. KT's jumper is much better than Baby's as well.

Baby is improving and has hit big shots, so that is a plus.

[Marcus Bryant]

My mistake. I got the quotes confused. It is not about stoping ALL players, it is about being a good defender. I do not know if you are inebriated or just naturally dense that you couldn't figure that out.

Davis is as good a defender as slow ass Oberto, and that's what matters. "Guys" shot over Oberto as well but he gave the Spurs what they needed to win a title before Father Time and his bad ticker really caught up with him.

And I could be drunk off my ass and figure out that you don't evaluate role players as if you're constructing a fantasy league team.

[HarlemHeat37]

Oberto's role is irrelevant though, because Duncan was the anchor of our D..he always made up for the other guy next to him..not to mention that Bowen is gone, and we won't have any stand-out defenders in the starting lineup other than TD..

again..do you Baby supporters believe Duncan can still dominate a game defensively on a consistent basis, and make up for the guy next to him?..

[GSH]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/8/4/2/842a8df4eefa1fc25e9c341ec33b54d7.gif

[tomtom]

dear fucking god I'd rather see Gooden back I hate that fatass

[Marcus Bryant]

Oberto's role is irrelevant though, because Duncan was the anchor of our D..he always made up for the other guy next to him..not to mention that Bowen is gone, and we won't have any stand-out defenders in the starting lineup other than TD..

again..do you Baby supporters believe Duncan can still dominate a game defensively on a consistent basis, and make up for the guy next to him?..

If Duncan can't be Duncan, then all bets are off.

[DPG21920]

Davis is as good a defender as slow ass Oberto, and that's what matters. "Guys" shot over Oberto as well but he gave the Spurs what they needed to win a title before Father Time and his bad ticker really caught up with him.

And I could be drunk off my ass and figure out that you don't evaluate role players as if you're constructing a fantasy league team.

It is not just about "shooting over". It is about total defense. Like I mentioned, he lets guys (although he has had a few decent spurts) get to their spots, he does nothing to alter their shots once they are there.

I will take a crafty longer Oberto vs a smaller, less smart, just as athletic version (neither could jump). Not to mention, Duncan of now is not the same as Duncan of old. He needs more help and cannot carry the defense like he used to.

You keep saying this random line about fantasy? A few things, none of the people mentioned put up fantasy stats. I have already said I would rather have someone who is a good defender (alters shots even without getting blocks, keeps guys off their spots, has some length to defend...). Also, as it appears now (with no rumors of trades and him costing the MLE) he would likely be a starter and not a role player as you say. He would be a role player in the context of him being an option, but he would be a starter.

[kbrury]

I wonder if the reaction about Big Baby possibly joining the spurs be different had he not cried and the media taking it way out of proportion.

[Ditty]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06RQ5Td3sA205/340x.jpg


maybe davis will make a game winning shot in Dalls and push this annoying mavs fans in the first row?

[DPG21920]

If Duncan can't be Duncan, then all bets are off.

That is what people are getting at and this is not true. Duncan can still be a super effective player, but he clearly needs more help. Even if he is the teams second best player now, that is a damn good option.

But you keep acting like Baby is a good defender based on the fact he will be playing next to Tim and you are under valuing guys like Oberto. Baby is not a good defender (and that is not fantasy) and Duncan needs help.

[Slinkyman]

Boston better sign this guy and match anything the spurs may throw at him.
They owe us spurs fans one after stealing 'Sheed

The bad thing about that is that Boston would wait 7 days, then match and we'd be left with no one.

[pawe]

again..do you Baby supporters believe Duncan can still dominate a game defensively on a consistent basis, and make up for the guy next to him?..

If they sign Big Baby and also going by the other recent signings they are making, im guessing they are going to adopt the "best defense is a good offense" scheme.

[Marcus Bryant]

It is not just about "shooting over". It is about total defense. Like I mentioned, he lets guys (although he has had a few decent spurts) get to their spots, he does nothing to alter their shots once they are there.

Incorrect, as pointed out earlier in the thread.



I will take a crafty longer Oberto vs a smaller, less smart, just as athletic version (neither could jump). Not to mention, Duncan of now is not the same as Duncan of old. He needs more help and cannot carry the defense like he used to.

There is no free agent big available who fits that. You find bigs who can give you what you need and who fit your team. Davis will certainly fit on the offensive side and he can get to his spots on defense and do a good job bodying up on post players. Better yet, he competes. Now yes, Oberto competes but Davis is obviously far more mobile and aggressive. As for brains, I'm not sure how Davis is any less intelligent, other than not having the craftiness of playing professionally for a decade. Of course, craftiness is a nice way of saying he no longer has it.




You keep saying this random line about fantasy? A few things, none of the people mentioned put up fantasy stats. I have already said I would rather have someone who is a good defender (alters shots even without getting blocks, keeps guys off their spots, has some length to defend...). Also, as it appears now (with no rumors of trades and him costing the MLE) he would likely be a starter and not a role player as you say. He would be a role player in the context of him being an option, but he would be a starter.

You have continually harped on Bonner and Davis' rebounding and shotblocking stats to prove that Davis is not a good potential signing. Those stats mean jack when you are trying to add role players who fit your team and help you win a championship. Hell, I hope they sign Gooden and you can be pleased with his rebounding rate as he misses defensive rotation after defensive rotation.

[Marcus Bryant]

The bad thing about that is that Boston would wait 7 days, then match and we'd be left with no one.

I'm sure the front office is aware. If they are comfortable doing so, then they likely have other plans in place.

[Marcus Bryant]

That is what people are getting at and this is not true. Duncan can still be a super effective player, but he clearly needs more help. Even if he is the teams second best player now, that is a damn good option.

But you keep acting like Baby is a good defender based on the fact he will be playing next to Tim and you are under valuing guys like Oberto. Baby is not a good defender (and that is not fantasy) and Duncan needs help.

There's no one else in free agency who is going to make up for that.

[TD4THREE]

Everybody goes on about Davis's poor rebounding numbers yet if they looked they would see that Wallace's aren't much better.

Wallace 7.4 RPG last season,
6.9 for his career
factor in playing time and they're about even.

yes I realize that Wallace is a better post defender and can stretch the floor, but Davis brings more hustle and energy and is only 23. But with that said I would rather have mcdyess than either of them.

[Blackjack]

Maybe the Spurs' biggest need this off-season was to get someone to take the pressure off of Tim defensively; someone capable of legitimately guarding the bigger, longer, post-players of the world.

Davis does not fill that role.

Blair should help with the rebounding but hasn't proven to be much of a defensive-player. He's capable of being that immovable object once his feet are set and he's between the his man and the basket, ala Davis, so he can at least force the opponent to make a shot over the top, but that's not exactly comforting. Especially considering the post-players on the current champion are skilled and coordinated enough to not have much of a problem shooting over smaller, stout, defenders.

So, Davis can move his feet pretty well and use his girth in the post fairly well when given the opportunity, but he's not a good defender. Nor is the foul-prone college player Blair, who will also have his rookie status going against him. (And please don't cite how someone plays Tim as proof of being a good defender. Anyone who watches Tim, especially during the regular season, knows how much harder he makes things on himself and how good average defenders can look on him from time-to-time. I guess he likes a challenge?)

So unless you're going to tell me that Mahinmi is going to be able to stand up to the bigger front lines of the world or that Haislip is all of a sudden the Bruce Bowen of 4's, the Spurs have got a pretty big void to fill if they're going to make Holt's money/generosity actually look like a wise investment.

Tim's health is a major concern going forward and the load of his, especially defensively, has to be lightened.

'Sheed was ideal because of what he did on both ends of the court (for Tim defensively and overall spacing offensively) but since he's out of the picture, they've got to at least find a legit big defender for Tim. (Trade or otherwise)

It's a must.

[all_heart]

Sheed was washed up anyway, he knows it and that's one reason he chose to go to Boston so he wouldn't have to shoulder too big a load. If it was the Sheed of 6-7 years ago, it would be different. If we do get Davis, at least he can hit a jumper, has some spirit, and knows what it takes to win a ring. We still need a rebounding shot blocking big though. Those type of guys are really hard to find. Perhaps we'll have to settle for a good weak side defender.

[DPG21920]

Incorrect, as pointed out earlier in the thread.

Please show me where this was disproven? Even Timvp called it out that people would overrate Davis' defense bc of a game vs Duncan. Shocking he meant you.




is no free agent big available who fits that. You find bigs who can give you what you need and who fit your team. Davis will certainly fit on the offensive side and he can get to his spots on defense and do a good job bodying up on post players. Better yet, he competes. Now yes, Oberto competes but Davis is obviously far more mobile and aggressive. As for brains, I'm not sure how Davis is any less intelligent, other than not having the craftiness of playing professionally for a decade. Of course, craftiness is a nice way of saying he no longer has it.

Rasho? Dice? Zaza? None of those fit that? So now you are saying Davis is the best fit out of all the FA's?




You have continually harped on Bonner and Davis' rebounding and shotblocking stats to prove that Davis is not a good potential signing. Those stats mean jack when you are trying to add role players who fit your team and help you win a championship. Hell, I hope they sign Gooden and you can be pleased with his rebounding rate as he misses defensive rotation after defensive rotation.

I have? Did I start the comparison? I used that as one aspect of why it is not good. I did not base my entire position on that. Once again for the 5th time, where did I say I want stats? Please point it out? I said I want defense (alter shots and be known as a solid defender). You keep throwing random "throw away lines" out there.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm sure the front office is aware. If they are comfortable doing so, then they likely have other plans in place.

Indeed.

The front office do this 'assembling a basketball team' thing full-time, y'know? :lmao

Marcus - who is that in your avatar? He looks like a race horse trainer from the 50s.

[Marcus Bryant]

I wonder if the reaction about Big Baby possibly joining the spurs be different had he not cried and the media taking it way out of proportion.

Nah, the first reason is that most fans respond to names. The second is that fans see the motive behind personnel moves as attempting to construct an all-star or fantasy league team instead of trying to construct a championship team. On a championship team, you need role players who fit, not statistical juggernauts at every position.

[Slinkyman]

RC did say getting Blair would allow them to look at some players they wouldn't have otherwise. Could be that they think they have enough rebounding in Duncan/Blair that they aren't concerned with Davis' rebounding numbers.

[Marcus Bryant]

Indeed.

The front office do this 'assembling a basketball team' thing full-time, y'know? :lmao

They do? They don't rely on this forum to do their work like Buck and Jeff?

[DPG21920]

Maybe the Spurs' biggest need this off-season was to get someone to take the pressure off of Tim defensively; someone capable of legitimately guarding the bigger, longer, post-players of the world.

Davis does not fill that role.

Blair should help with the rebounding but hasn't proven to be much of a defensive-player. He's capable of being that immovable object once his feet are set and he's between the his man and the basket, ala Davis, so he can at least force the opponent to make a shot over the top, but that's not exactly comforting. Especially considering the post-players on the current champion are skilled and coordinated enough to not have much of a problem shooting over smaller, stout, defenders.

So, Davis can move his feet pretty well and use his girth in the post fairly well when given the opportunity, but he's not a good defender. Nor is the foul-prone college player Blair, who will also have his rookie status going against him. (And please don't cite how someone plays Tim as proof of being a good defender. Anyone who watches Tim, especially during the regular season, knows how much harder he makes things on himself and how good average defenders can look on him from time-to-time. I guess he likes a challenge?)

So unless you're going to tell me that Mahinmi is going to be able to stand up to the bigger front lines of the world or that Haislip is all of a sudden the Bruce Bowen of 4's, the Spurs have got a pretty big void to fill if they're going to make Holt's money/generosity actually look like a wise investment.

Tim's health is a major concern going forward and the load of his, especially defensively, has to be lightened.

'Sheed was ideal because of what he did on both ends of the court (for Tim defensively and overall spacing offensively) but since he's out of the picture, they've got to at least find a legit big defender for Tim. (Trade or otherwise)

It's a must.

Don't tell MB this, he is dug in with his bs logic trying to defend this potential signing. Davis is not a good defender.

His whole argument is based off of Duncan carrying players on the defensive end. I guess he is worried about Duncan's fantasy stats.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Nah, the first reason is that most fans respond to names. The second is that fans see the motive behind personnel moves as attempting to construct an all-star or fantasy league team instead of trying to construct a championship team. On a championship team, you need role players who fit, not statistical juggernauts at every position.

Spot fucking on. Can everyone re-read that a few times please!


RC did say getting Blair would allow them to look at some players they wouldn't have otherwise. Could be that they think they have enough rebounding in Duncan/Blair that they aren't concerned with Davis' rebounding numbers.

Except that it's no good having Blair rebounding wonderfully, and then when he sits and Davis plays the rebounding going to hell. We really need a guy who can hit the midrange J and rebound as well, like Dice.

[Slinkyman]

Nah, the first reason is that most fans respond to names. The second is that fans see the motive behind personnel moves as attempting to construct an all-star or fantasy league team instead of trying to construct a championship team. On a championship team, you need role players who fit, not statistical juggernauts at every position.

exactly, everyone thinks that since the Lakers got Artest when need to counter with another big name. This could be a thread about Bass, Zaza or any other roll player out there.

[Spursmania]

They do? They don't rely on this forum to do their work like Buck and Jeff?

:lmao:lmao

[TheProfessor]

Don't tell MB this, he is dug in with his bs logic trying to defend this potential signing. Davis is not a good defender.

His whole argument is based off of Duncan carrying players on the defensive end. I guess he is worried about Duncan's fantasy stats.
Jesus Christ, we get it, you disagree with him.

[ElNono]

There's no one else in free agency who is going to make up for that.

I disagree. I don't know the availability of a guy like McDyess, but I think he's a lot closer to what we need than Big Baby.
And if he's not good enough maybe we should be looking at trades instead of spending the MLE on a guy that, IMHO, makes as much of a difference as Bonner as far as improving our interior defense goes.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

They do? They don't rely on this forum to do their work like Buck and Jeff?

I think they do... ;) :lol

Buck has the occasional original idea. Can't say the same for Jeff though.

[Blackjack]

Don't tell MB this, he is dug in with his bs logic trying to defend this potential signing. Davis is not a good defender.

His whole argument is based off of Duncan carrying players on the defensive end. I guess he is worried about Duncan's fantasy stats.

Should I have just sent a pm?:)

[objective]

sorry to pile on

but speaking of FANTASY . . .


Boston won a title with this guy getting significant minutes in the frontcourt

[DPG21920]

People wanting Gortat (or someone in a similar mold) is not about a big name. It is about his defensive presence. I think everyone here knows the Spurs need a role player who is strictly defensive/rebounding minded.

:lol Big Baby is one of the biggest FA names out there.

[Slinkyman]

Spot fucking on. Can everyone re-read that a few times please!



Except that it's no good having Blair rebounding wonderfully, and then when he sits and Davis plays the rebounding going to hell. We really need a guy who can hit the midrange J and rebound as well, like Dice.

Maybe they called Dice and he said no thanks, what do you do then?

[ElNono]

Maybe they called Dice and he said no thanks, what do you do then?

You look to trade?

[DPG21920]

Jesus Christ, we get it, you disagree with him.

Why don't you say this to him every time he responds to me? It is going back and forth.

It is not like I am posting 5 times and he has said only one thing to me.

[HarlemHeat37]

I really don't see who we can trade for..nobody seems to suggest anybody..there isn't a realistic trade that will get us a significant big man..

[Marcus Bryant]

People wanting Gortat is not about a big name. It is about his defensive presence. I think everyone here knows the Spurs need a role player who is strictly defensive/rebounding minded.

:lol Big Baby is one of the biggest FA names out there.

Gortat was about Spurs fan jizzing themselves over a player who didn't help his team push the Lakers. The Magic had to leave their top horses on the court to defeat a Celtics team in 7 games with Davis playing heavy minutes.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL..DPG isn't making many friends today..

[Marcus Bryant]

I disagree. I don't know the availability of a guy like McDyess, but I think he's a lot closer to what we need than Big Baby.
And if he's not good enough maybe we should be looking at trades instead of spending the MLE on a guy that, IMHO, makes as much of a difference as Bonner as far as improving our interior defense goes.

I don't have a problem with McDyess. I think he would fit the Spurs well. But you're not going to find anyone in free agency who can play at TD's level defensively.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

:smchode: this has to be a red herring

hopefully the real CIA here is another team the spurs are competing with for player X is also after Big Baby. This will nudge the team to set the money mark with an offer to BB, then we go hard for player X.

I'm trying here..

[TheProfessor]

Why don't you say this to him every time he responds to me? It is going back and forth.

It is not like I am posting 5 times and he has said only one thing to me.
:lol Sorry, next time I'll make sure to have responses for each of you. I guess you just sounded more whiny.

[ElNono]

I really don't see who we can trade for..nobody seems to suggest anybody..there isn't a realistic trade that will get us a significant big man..

Camby? Haslem? I'm thinking of players that can actually help anchoring the interior D.

[scottspurs]

RC did say getting Blair would allow them to look at some players they wouldn't have otherwise. Could be that they think they have enough rebounding in Duncan/Blair that they aren't concerned with Davis' rebounding numbers.

Exactly,

And on another note I saw someone post that Duncan can't anchor the defense anymore. BULLSHIT. DUNCAN WILL CARRY THE DEFENSE. The last thing Duncan will lose is his ablity to carry the defense. He could do that until he was 40. It's his offense that will probably start to decline in a couple of years, but he still has it there too. Did you watch the series against the mavericks. Duncan was a beast on both sides of the court even with bad knees. With a offseason of rest his knees he should be great next year and even if they are not Duncan will still be great because he is TIM DUNCAN and thats what TIM DUNCAN does. :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Maybe they called Dice and he said no thanks, what do you do then?

Then you call Pachulia, then you call Splitter, then I guess you start thinking about Davis.

Why would Dice say no without meeting with us though? We can offer him a starting role, the MLE (about 2mil/yr more than Detroit can offer), a great lockerroom and a shot at a ring. I still reckon we're working on Dice.

[timvp]

lSSq3fWS2dI

Hopefully Big Baby will be at Disneyland by this time next season.

[DPG21920]

Gortat was about Spurs fan jizzing themselves over a player who didn't help his team push the Lakers. The Magic had to leave their top horses on the court to defeat a Celtics team in 7 games with Davis playing heavy minutes.

I understand that and I am not saying Gortat is going to be great. The point was that it is not about names. It is about filling perceived needs:

1) Role player comfortable not getting shots, but run the floor and crash the boards and do the dirty work. Be ready to shoot if you can. Obviously a better offensive player is better, but not the number 1 goal.

2) A very good defensive player with some length and ability to alter shots and/or get blocks. Help Tim man the paint.

Davis is not a bad player, he is just not what the Spurs need in a major role next to Duncan in many people's opinions. I do not mind him on the team, but I do not think he is the best fit like you eluded to (saying there is no one out there in FA that fits..)

[buttsR4rebounding]

Then what is the 2010 plan?

Dude, haven't you been paying attention? RJ is the 2010 plan. There is no longer a 2010 plan. Don't ask about it anymore already.

[ElNono]

I don't have a problem with McDyess. I think he would fit the Spurs well. But you're not going to find anyone in free agency who can play at TD's level defensively.

And I don't think we're looking for that. At the same time, I think you can find somebody that plays at a respectable level. The dropoff when TD came out was so significant that we had to overplay him in order to win games, and that took a toll. Right now, we're on the exact same situation looking at next season.

[DPG21920]

lSSq3fWS2dI

Hopefully Big Baby will be at Disneyland by this time next season.

:lol is this going the direction you did when Finley re-upped?

[HarlemHeat37]

I never said Duncan can't anchor a defense anymore..he's still one of the best defenders in the NBA..but he's going to be 34 years old in the playoffs..he can no longer make up for the other big man next to him, it's just impossible at his age..he's still our best player and anchor, but I don't see how he can carry our team like he used to..

look at KG..they have Perkins next to him, one of the best defenders in the NBA..probably the best defensive role player big man in the entire league..

[DPG21920]

Spurs do not need the next defensive player of the year, just someone solid. Nothing spectacular, but like a Foster or Collison or ....

[HarlemHeat37]

Camby? Haslem? I'm thinking of players that can actually help anchoring the interior D.

I thought of Camby too, but I don't think it's realistic..Clippers have no reason to do it..

Haslem would be interesting if Miami is looking to dump him, but I'm not sure that they are..

[SouthTexasRancher]

Antonio McDyess has just been removed from the Detroit Pistons roster over on Yahoo: NBA. Glern Davis is still showing up on Boston's roster. McDyess's name was there an hour ago. And Fab is still listed. I thought Detroit released him Friday???

Hmmm, R.C. do you have something you would like to tell us Spurs fans?

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[DPG21920]

LOL..DPG isn't making many friends today..

:lol just in this thread. Many agree with me, but no one else is talking as much.

I am just serious about this basketballz. MB and I are friends (at least on ST).

[Marcus Bryant]

Then you call Pachulia, then you call Splitter, then I guess you start thinking about Davis.

Why would Dice say no without meeting with us though? We can offer him a starting role, the MLE (about 2mil/yr more than Detroit can offer), a great lockerroom and a shot at a ring. I still reckon we're working on Dice.

Yeah, the basic assumption here is that Wallace and/or McDyess wanted to join the Spurs.

Further, as you point out, the Spurs can pursue a trade or they could pull Splitter out of a hat. If part of the reason (other than personal or financial) why Splitter didn't join the team last summer was that he wouldn't be given an opportunity to start, perhaps the Spurs will offer that to him now. It would make some sense that they went after Wallace and McDyess, were told no, and are now on to plan C, which, of course, may end up being the best option after all.

[ElNono]

I thought of Camby too, but I don't think it's realistic..Clippers have no reason to do it..

Other than to dump his salary... something the Clippers always seem inclined to do.


Haslem would be interesting if Miami is looking to dump him, but I'm not sure that they are..

Well, that's what trading is all about. We have a bunch of young kids now with potential that Miami might be interested in. You call, you ask and see what happens.

[Ditty]

I thought of Camby too, but I don't think it's realistic..Clippers have no reason to do it..

Haslem would be interesting if Miami is looking to dump him, but I'm not sure that they are..

i think camby might not like the fact of coming off the bench next season behind kaman and griffen

expiring contract vs expiring contracts and veterans that can put 10 points a game(bonner and finley) is reasonable IMO

[scottspurs]

Nah, the first reason is that most fans respond to names. The second is that fans see the motive behind personnel moves as attempting to construct an all-star or fantasy league team instead of trying to construct a championship team. On a championship team, you need role players who fit, not statistical juggernauts at every position.

Hell Yeah:flag:

[DPG21920]

If there is a trade in the works or someone like Splitter is coming in, then fine. But then do you think Davis is the best option for the MLE at that point? Wouldn't a wing be better? Under no circumstances do I see Davis as the best option or even close to the top option for the MLE. If the Spurs are just striking out, that is one thing. If he is all they can grab, ok.

[polandprzem]

Is Big baby our mobile PF/C?

[Mugen]

we aren't getting Dice.

The Big Baby Era in SA is about to begin.

[MaNu4Tres]

I thought of Camby too, but I don't think it's realistic..Clippers have no reason to do it..

Haslem would be interesting if Miami is looking to dump him, but I'm not sure that they are..

Maybe if you included a 1st round pick, Mason and Bonner?

They have Eric Gordon/ Al Thornton/ Q richardson at the wing. Mason would help them by being the 3rd/4th wing in the rotation. Clippers could consider a 1st round pick as valuable regardless if its a late first round pick , for the fact that Camby will be gone next year. Then Bonner would be probably the best big off the bench for them. You could even throw in Mahimni. But would that be too much from the Spurs?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

If the Lakers were not decked out with length and rebounding dominance, Big Baby would be a solid option for a role player. Lakers have made the finals two years in a row. Every team in the West needs to be building to beat them. And I do not see Big Baby making us better against them.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Camby's contract is only 7.65mil, and it's expiring. Camby for Bonner and Finley (and probably a pick) would work, but I don't see enough in it for the Clippers.

The way I see it right now:
1. Davis is bullshit (see my posts throught the early-mid part of the thread for why), not happening.
2. Dice is the current target - he fits all our needs and is very gettable as Detroit can only offer him about 4mil per.
3. Splitter is a maybe - Pop is in Europe, seems a hell of a coincidence.
4. If everything falls through, maybe a trade of Finley and Bonner for Camby with a couple of picks thrown in to get it done (Haislip looks like Bonner's replacement).

And even after all that I'm glad we didn't pay Gortat 32mil, and I'm glad we didn't ink a fading Sheed (revisit this in February when you'll be seeing just how far Sheed's ability has fallen over the last 18 months).

[Mugen]

Camby's contract is only 7.65mil, and it's expiring. Camby for Bonner and Finley (and probably a pick) would work, but I don't see enough in it for the Clippers.

The way I see it right now:
1. Davis is bullshit (see my posts throught the early-mid part of the thread for why), not happening.
2. Dice is the current target - he fits all our needs and is very gettable as Detroit can only offer him about 4mil per.
3. Splitter is a maybe - Pop is in Europe, seems a hell of a coincidence.
4. If everything falls through, maybe a trade of Finley and Bonner for Camby with a couple of picks thrown in to get it done (Haislip looks like Bonner's replacement).

And even after all that I'm glad we didn't pay Gortat 32mil, and I'm glad we didn't ink a fading Sheed (revisit this in February when you'll be seeing just how far Sheed's ability has fallen over the last 18 months).
3. If not Dice,

The sooner you tell yourself that Big Baby is coming and Dice isn't, the easier it is to digest.

that's what i am doing.

[MaNu4Tres]

Camby's contract is only 7.65mil, and it's expiring. Camby for Bonner and Finley (and probably a pick) would work, but I don't see enough in it for the Clippers.



Replace Mason for Finley and it just might work. They are thin at the wing as it is. And Mason has more value then Finley to get the deal done. Then we could use the MLE on a wing to compete for the starting wing spot alongside Richard Jefferson with Manu coming off the bench.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The sooner you tell yourself that Big Baby is coming and Dice isn't, the easier it is to digest.

that's what i am doing.

Based on what exactly, one twit's vague tweet which has been adopted as fact by Fox news? C'mon.

When the Spurs say something about Davis is when I'll believe it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Does Camby for Bonner/Williams/Finley work?..I guess it's possible that the Clippers would do it if we threw in a 1st round pick, but that isn't a lock at all..the other option would be if Camby asks for a trade..it's not like he's helping them win anything..

[ElNono]

I just really hope Big Baby doesn't turn into Jackie Butler 2.0...

[MaNu4Tres]

Does Camby for Bonner/Williams/Finley work?..I guess it's possible that the Clippers would do it if we threw in a 1st round pick, but that isn't a lock at all..the other option would be if Camby asks for a trade..it's not like he's helping them win anything..

We more than likely would have to include Mason instead of Finley to get that deal done. That being the case we'd use our MLE to sign a wing to start alongside Jefferson with Manu coming off the bench.

[objective]

If the Lakers were not decked out with length and rebounding dominance, Big Baby would be a solid option for a role player. Lakers have made the finals two years in a row. Every team in the West needs to be building to beat them. And I do not see Big Baby making us better against them.

that makes way too much sense.

You should leave this thread. :lol

[scottspurs]

I just really hope Big Baby he doesn't turn into Jackie Butler 2.0...

Jackie Butler had never produced anything before he was a spur. He was all about potential. Davis is proven and has playoff experience. Don't ever compare a never was with a has done.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't really wanna see Baby guarding Gasol in the playoffs..we'd pretty much have to hope for another Bynum injury, so Davis can guard Odom instead, otherwise we'd be getting murdered down low..

Come on McDyess..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Replace Mason for Finley and it just might work. They are thin at the wing as it is. And Mason has more value then Finley to get the deal done. Then we could use the MLE on a wing to compete for the starting wing spot alongside Richard Jefferson with Manu coming off the bench.

I like Mason a lot, and if we have to part with him maybe we could grab Steve Novak from them? That guy can flat out shoot the 3 like it's going out of style. Then again, if we had Novak that obviates Haislip. Unlikely.

I'd really rather not part with Mason. I think he's integral to the squad going forward. I'd try and get it done with Finley and two picks if necessary (a 1st and a second - we are brimming with yourth right now and can afford it).

And of course this is all only if we can't land Dice, Pachulia or Splitter, which would be a very sad state of affairs indeed! :lol :depressed

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree that giving up Mason would hurt..we'd be giving up 3 great spot-up shooters in a deal, which opens up another hole..

[DesignatedT]

get mc fucking dyess. im sick of this sheed big baby splitter bullshit. should have given mcdyess a call on july 1st at midnight and got his ass down here. Mcdyess can play ball. he can flat out defend rebound and was superb in last years playoffs for detroit. hes a smart player and is not bonner soft by any means... he should have been the #1 target and id even be willing to give him the full mle at this point.. fuckin big baby

[DPG21920]

If the Lakers were not decked out with length and rebounding dominance, Big Baby would be a solid option for a role player. Lakers have made the finals two years in a row. Every team in the West needs to be building to beat them. And I do not see Big Baby making us better against them.

Exactly. The goal is to give the Spurs a LEGIT shot at a title before Duncan retires. If Baby is the only move (which it could or could not be) then it does not look good.

It could work out, who knows?

[scottspurs]

If the Lakers were not decked out with length and rebounding dominance, Big Baby would be a solid option for a role player. Lakers have made the finals two years in a row. Every team in the West needs to be building to beat them. And I do not see Big Baby making us better against them.

Yeah because Big Baby wasn't on the team that beat the Lakers two years ago. The spurs are putting together a great cast of role players to put next to the big 4. The spurs are building a team capable of beating any team, not just the Lakers. Length means nothing if can't get near the basket because bangers like Davis and Blair are in your way. And as long as the spurs have Tim Duncan the won't have a problem rebounding. And Blair is a beast on the boards as well.

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree that giving up Mason would hurt..we'd be giving up 3 great spot-up shooters in a deal, which opens up another hole..

Finley filled that role better than Mason did last year when it mattered. And Finley was just as good or better than Mason on defense. And we would still have Finley and the MLE to address that " hole".

[HarlemHeat37]

Big Baby wasn't a factor against the Lakers, so it's irrelevant..

we don't have Kendrick Perkins starting ahead of him..if we did, it'd be a completely different story..

[HarlemHeat37]

Finley filled that role better than Mason did last year when it mattered. And Finley was just as good or better than Mason on defense. And we would still have Finley and the MLE to address that " hole".

Mason was clearly much better than Finley on both sides before the PG experimentation..

Who would we use the MLE on?..

[scottspurs]

Big Baby wasn't a factor against the Lakers, so it's irrelevant..

we don't have Kendrick Perkins starting ahead of him..if we did, it'd be a completely different story..

We don't have perkins, but we have Ian, Blair and TIM FREAKING DUNCAN.

[ElNono]

We don't have perkins, but we have Ian, Blair and TIM FREAKING DUNCAN.

On paper... in reality we have Bonner and TIM FREAKING DUNCAN

[Ditty]

give mcdyess the whole MLE shit

and get glen baby davis for a 1 year LLE and tell him well give you a bigger contract next year

:)

be straight up RC

[Ariel]

I just really hope Big Baby doesn't turn into Jackie Butler 2.0...
Oh boy... I´m already having nightmares of him turning into such a horrible burden that just to unload him the FO trades him along with the rights to Splitter to Dallas, with the latter turning into a borderline all star and the hottest topic on the forum for years to come... :shootme

[HarlemHeat37]

We don't have perkins, but we have Ian, Blair and TIM FREAKING DUNCAN.

Tim Duncan is our Kevin Garnett..

Ian and Blair are 2 unproven guys that have done nothing in the NBA..they don't compare to Perkins..

so our situation and the situation Boston had Baby playing in, isn't comparable IMO..

[bigdog]

Hell no. I don't want this idiot on the Spurs. I'd rather have Gooden. Even if it's for the LLE, I don't want anything to do with this guy. We already have Blair. Getting Davis would be absolutely stupid.

[DPG21920]

We don't have perkins, but we have Ian, Blair and TIM FREAKING DUNCAN.

They had KG and Perkins. The Spurs do have Duncan, but beside him they have 2 guys with less than 20 minutes or so combined NBA experience. Lot of questions left and the FA period is not over, so we have to see.

But this is a thread about a potential Big Baby signing and ....

[texasqb2]

I usually never post, but this is cracking me up. Now I don't think this one guy's tweet should have caused 19 threads on spurstalk, but come on guys. Everyone is calling for the Spurs to add pieces and RJ and Big Baby are 2 of the biggest offseason prizes the Spurs have landed in quite some time. I mean a few years ago all of you were so excited about Jackie Butler. Big Davis is a legit NBA player and we should be excited if we really do land him. Plus no one else here knows whats up the Spurs sleeve so be patient and trust the 4 titles we have in the Duncan era.

[scottspurs]

On paper... in reality we have Bonner and TIM FREAKING DUNCAN

Bonner plays the role of shooter and trade asset, he is not a Banger.

[timvp]

I think one of two scenarios is at work:

1. The Spurs told the Celtics that if they keep going for Rasheed, the Spurs will turn around and try to steal Big Baby. The Celtics are on record as saying they want to keep both so by making the threat, the Spurs hoped to scare the Celtics into possibly changing their strategy. If this is the case, this news is probably bogus and residue from the Rasheed sweepstakes.

2. The Spurs wanted Big Baby the whole time. They feigned interest in Rasheed just enough to force the Celtics into going all out for Rasheed to land him. Now with Rasheed inked, the Spurs have started to move in on their real target.

If I had to bet, I'd go with the first scenario. But if it is the second scenario, it wouldn't be too surprising either.

[ElNono]

Bonner plays the role of shooter and trade asset, he is not a Banger.

Exactly.

[HarlemHeat37]

To Davis' defense, I'd definitely rather have him over Gooden..