Big Baby to San Antonio? Grant Hill to Boston?

[Spurs9]

If we have to get stuck with Davis, can everyone stop calling him big baby davis, is f***ing annoying:bang

[scottspurs]

Tim Duncan is our Kevin Garnett..

Ian and Blair are 2 unproven guys that have done nothing in the NBA..they don't compare to Perkins..

so our situation and the situation Boston had Baby playing in, isn't comparable IMO..

Perkins was unproven before that championsip run. The spurs FO knows what they are doing. Have some Faith.

[VivaPopovich]

not every free agent has to sign with the spurs lol

if big baby puts on that uniform he better lose weight and bring the D

[pawe]

I like Mason a lot, and if we have to part with him maybe we could grab Steve Novak from them? That guy can flat out shoot the 3 like it's going out of style. Then again, if we had Novak that obviates Haislip. Unlikely.

I'd really rather not part with Mason. I think he's integral to the squad going forward. I'd try and get it done with Finley and two picks if necessary (a 1st and a second - we are brimming with yourth right now and can afford it).

And of course this is all only if we can't land Dice, Pachulia or Splitter, which would be a very sad state of affairs indeed! :lol :depressed


Testify, my brother from the church of RMJ!

Mason has a sweet shot and will be a major weapon with all the slashers the Spurs have on the team. Imagine him camping on the corners/elbows and being the recipient of drive and dishes...glory!!!!

[DPG21920]

I think one of two scenarios is at work:

1. The Spurs told the Celtics that if they keep going for Rasheed, the Spurs will turn around and try to steal Big Baby. The Celtics are on record as saying they want to keep both so by making the threat, the Spurs hoped to scare the Celtics into possibly changing their strategy. If this is the case, this news is probably bogus and residue from the Rasheed sweepstakes.

2. The Spurs wanted Big Baby the whole time. They feigned interest in Rasheed just enough to force the Celtics into going all out for Rasheed to land him. Now with Rasheed inked, the Spurs have started to move in on their real target.

If I had to bet, I'd go with the first scenario. But if it is the second scenario, it wouldn't be too surprising either.


:wakeup How does this make you feel Timvp?

I keep expecting you to do the Finley act if Baby gets signed :lol

"Baby will be a great asset. San Antonio is lucky to have him. God Bless."

[Mugen]

this possible signing would show that theres still too much emphasis on the offensive side

[MaNu4Tres]

People under appreciate Finley so much just because for the fact that Timvp would only point out Finley's defense over and over and over again. When Mason was just as bad and looked lost more frequently than Finley on defense.

Finley and Mason are very very similiar of players for the fact that they can't really defend, can't create, but can spot up and pull up off of one dribble. If Finley had not opted in his contract for next year, then yeah it would be tough to let go of Mason. But since Finley has opted in. I rather package Mason and Bonner in a trade to bring in a Camby caliber of a player than trade Finley and Bonner for a Jeff Foster caliber of a player.

I don't understand why people are so against Finley, when he perhaps had his best year as a Spur last year. Yet everyone is all about Mason when Finley outperformed him last year in the playoffs and has hit clutch shots year in and year out in the playoffs.

If your going to hate on Finley, you have just as many reasons if not more to hate on Mason.

[scottspurs]

They had KG and Perkins. The Spurs do have Duncan, but beside him they have 2 guys with less than 20 minutes or so combined NBA experience. Lot of questions left and the FA period is not over, so we have to see.

But this is a thread about a potential Big Baby signing and ....

Perkins did not prove himself until that season. Sometimes the FO has to believe in what they have. Someone will need to rise to the occasion like Perkins did. Do you think the Celtics felt good about Perkins starting going into the 07/08 season?

And Big Baby provides the spurs with a valuable role player......

[ElNono]

I think one of two scenarios is at work:

1. The Spurs told the Celtics that if they keep going for Rasheed, the Spurs will turn around and try to steal Big Baby. The Celtics are on record as saying they want to keep both so by making the threat, the Spurs hoped to scare the Celtics into possibly changing their strategy. If this is the case, this news is probably bogus and residue from the Rasheed sweepstakes.

2. The Spurs wanted Big Baby the whole time. They feigned interest in Rasheed just enough to force the Celtics into going all out for Rasheed to land him. Now with Rasheed inked, the Spurs have started to move in on their real target.

If I had to bet, I'd go with the first scenario. But if it is the second scenario, it wouldn't be too surprising either.

I disagree. I think their primary targets were/are Sheed and Dice. But with Gortat committing to the Mavs, Sheed going to Boston and Dice taking his sweet time, the pool of available bigs with NBA experience is dwindling down. So you pull the trigger and sign an offer sheet. All things said, Big Baby is young, and he can be a good trade bait for a more suitable big if packaged correctly.

[Ditty]

i remember when we almsot got kendrick perkins:depressed

he was the true baby shaq i heard

[DesignatedT]

fuck big baby... we better not sign this dumbshit

[Ditty]

I wonder what the team weight will be?

[bigdog]

If the Spurs sign this dumbass I will close my eyes and put on earplugs every time he touches the court.

[DesignatedT]

^^^ no shit. he looks like a fuckin retard out there on the court. please dont sign this guy

[scottspurs]

i usually never post, but this is cracking me up. Now i don't think this one guy's tweet should have caused 19 threads on spurstalk, but come on guys. Everyone is calling for the spurs to add pieces and rj and big baby are 2 of the biggest offseason prizes the spurs have landed in quite some time. I mean a few years ago all of you were so excited about jackie butler. Big davis is a legit nba player and we should be excited if we really do land him. Plus no one else here knows whats up the spurs sleeve so be patient and trust the 4 titles we have in the duncan era.

+1

[MaNu4Tres]

Mason was clearly much better than Finley on both sides before the PG experimentation..

Who would we use the MLE on?..

"Clearly" is a bit much. Mason performed just fine and better than Finley(offensively) when Tony and Manu were out. But once teams picked up on going over on screens to make him create off the dribble, Mason's effectiveness declined. On another hand, Mason was perhaps the worst on ball defender on the Spurs last years in regard of the wings on the team. And he looked lost more frequently on his rotations.

Mason won't have as many touches to pull up off the dribble with a healthy Manu and Richard Jefferson. Mason may be younger, but he won't bring anything more than what Finley can next year giving the opportunities that will be available.

[Kamnik]

I cannot say I am too dissapointed... He is quite a playoff warrior this guy.

Rasheed on the other hand does not seem to be very motivated anymore. So fuck it... Maybe it is for the best.

[DPG21920]

I also hate that stupid face he makes. Like he is yelling out of the side of his mouth.

[vednam]

People under appreciate Finley so much just because for the fact that Timvp would only point out Finley's defense over and over and over again. When Mason was just as bad and looked lost more frequently than Finley on defense.

Finley and Mason are very very similiar of players for the fact that they can't really defend, can't create, but can spot up and pull up off of one dribble. If Finley had not opted in his contract for next year, then yeah it would be tough to let go of Mason. But since Finley has opted in. I rather package Mason and Bonner in a trade to bring in a Camby caliber of a player than trade Finley and Bonner for a Jeff Foster caliber of a player.

I don't understand why people are so against Finley, when he perhaps had his best year as a Spur last year. Yet everyone is all about Mason when Finley outperformed him last year in the playoffs and has hit clutch shots year in and year out in the playoffs.

If your going to hate on Finley, you have just as many reasons if not more to hate on Mason.


I agree with this.

The only reason people rag on Finley and not Mason is that Finley used to be something more while Mason was a nobody.

Mason can't guard anyone, and I'd rather the Spurs trade him and let George Hill be the third guard.

[DesignatedT]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/45095/63652_celtics_magic_basketball.jpg



look at this fucking moron. please let him stay up there or go somewhere else so i dont have to look at this every damn game

[scottspurs]

All you Rasheed lovers and Big Baby bashers should just become Celtic fans because you don't win championships on paper. You win championships by putting a solid core together(the Big 4), and putting them around players that know their role which the spurs FO has done. You also win championships by playing defense and any team coached by Pop is going to play defense regardless of who is on the team.

[024]

davis makes some sense if the spurs are looking to make duncan a more defensive and rebounding player by relieving him of the offensive pressure. davis is definitely the better offensive player of all the available bigs, and he is still improving. one good thing about this, if true, is that spurs no longer are looking for band aid bigs and a 24 glen davis would actually last.

[DPG21920]

Fml

[scottspurs]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/45095/63652_celtics_magic_basketball.jpg



look at this fucking moron. please let him stay up there or go somewhere else so i dont have to look at this every damn game

Someone shows a little emotion and thats a bad thing. I think not. MANU GINOBILI.

[bigdog]

davis makes some sense if the spurs are looking to make duncan a more defensive and rebounding player by relieving him of the offensive pressure. davis is definitely the better offensive player of all the available bigs, and he is still improving. one good thing about this, if true, is that spurs no longer are looking for band aid bigs and a 24 glen davis would actually last.

I'm sorry, but Davis is NOT a better offensive player than McDyess and Gooden.

[ElNono]

All you Rasheed lovers and Big Baby bashers should just become Celtic fans because you don't win championships on paper. You win championships by putting a solid core together(the Big 4), and putting them around players that know their role which the spurs FO has done. You also win championships by playing defense and any team coached by Pop is going to play defense regardless of who is on the team.

I used to believe this until last season. Then, I was waiting for SPAM, but SPAM never came. Then I was hoping Bowen would re-appear from the ashes and help on that department, and it didn't happen either.
Since last season I'm fully aware that it's not automatic anymore.

[Spursfan092120]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/45095/63652_celtics_magic_basketball.jpg



look at this fucking moron. please let him stay up there or go somewhere else so i dont have to look at this every damn game
He made that face after making a game winning clutch playoff shot. I hope he makes that face every damn game.

[DesignatedT]

this guy is a joke.


We NEED
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/097Zgedbxu2zg/340x.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

this guy is a joke.


We NEED
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/097Zgedbxu2zg/340x.jpg
He said he's going to take his time deciding. He'll probably decide to stay in Detroit. If we wait around too long, we'll end up with crap...this happened before (Jason Kidd)

[Mr. Body]

Not convinced Davis is signed yet, or will be. But I wouldn't think it's a horrible signing. The guy has talent.

Anybody sobbing about him showing emotion on the court - I feel like punching you in the face.

[Shastafarian]

this guy is a joke.


We NEED
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/097Zgedbxu2zg/340x.jpg

Father Time?

[scottspurs]

I used to believe this until last season. Then, I was waiting for SPAM, but SPAM never came. Then I was hoping Bowen would re-appear from the ashes and help on that department, and it didn't happen either.
Since last season I'm fully aware that it's not automatic anymore.

The spurs led by Coach Pop and Tim Duncan will play defense. Last year was a result of having too many old veterans and not enough young energy. Pop and RC were trying to squeeze one more year out of those guys (Bowen, Finley, Thomas, and Oberto.), but it didn't work out. So what did they do? They reloaded.
This lineup the spurs FO is putting together should bring intesity on defense.

[Sean Cagney]

He said he's going to take his time deciding. He'll probably decide to stay in Detroit. If we wait around too long, we'll end up with crap...this happened before (Jason Kidd)

Fukk around lay around! He will stay in D Town IMO, go for what you can get or who commits now! Baby so be it, just DO IT then.

[timtonymanu]

this guy is a joke.


We NEED
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/097Zgedbxu2zg/340x.jpg

that's why the Spurs are interested in Big Baby instead. McDyess and Jefferson have the same number.

but all joking aside, i hope the Spurs only go after big baby if Dice, Zaza, or Gooden agree to go elsewhere.

[DPG21920]

I think Baby gets coupled in with KG. All of their "emotion" is over the top.

[Vic Petro]

We can't judge this move in a vacuum. I agree with those speculating that if the Glenn Davis rumors are true, then his signing is directly related to another tbd transaction. I would bet a shotblocking big (Camby seems most likely but who knows) will be dealt to SA in the coming days. It just makes too much sense...to have your bigs off the bench be Davis/Blair/Haislip/Mahinmi...that's not bad. There would also still be the LLE remaining.

That said my first choice has been and still remains Antonio McDyess. He'd return a battle-tested grit that has been missing for the past couple of years from our bench. But if for whatever reason Dice does not work out, we could do a whole lot worse than Glenn Davis. He's an ascending talent who has already played at the league's highest level.

[DesignatedT]

difference between showing emotion and making a complete ass out of yourself. fuck this..fuckin big baby wow

[scottspurs]

:tu
Not convinced Davis is signed yet, or will be. But I wouldn't think it's a horrible signing. The guy has talent.

Anybody sobbing about him showing emotion on the court - I feel like punching you in the face.

:tu

[timtonymanu]

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/45095/63652_celtics_magic_basketball.jpg



hell it was a PLAYOFF SHOT.. A MUST WIN GAME FOR BOSTON! Davis had a right to be excited. at least he apologized to the kid he shoved. Besides have you seen the rest of his teammates? KG, House, Perkins, and Pierce make an ass out of themselves more than Big Baby.

[scottspurs]

difference between showing emotion and making a complete ass out of yourself. fuck this..fuckin big baby wow

I guess you would rather have Gooden who shows less emotion and looks like a chicken with his head cut-off when he is out on the court.

[024]

I'm sorry, but Davis is NOT a better offensive player than McDyess and Gooden.
i'd say his offense is comparable with mcdyess and gooden. mcdyess would just play a kurt thomas role, hitting jumpshots when open. i'd also be more confident with davis than gooden with his turnaround fadeaway jumpers. difference between davis and gooden is that gooden has peaked while davis is still developing, only entering his third season.

[brettn]

http://www.sadfans.com/res/davis-shove-orlando-fan-kid.gif

Replace the kid with Jack and hopefully that's what we'll be seeing this year.

[ElNono]

The spurs led by Coach Pop and Tim Duncan will play defense. Last year was a result of having too many old veterans and not enough young energy. Pop and RC were trying to squeeze one more year out of those guys (Bowen, Finley, Thomas, and Oberto.), but it didn't work out. So what did they do? They reloaded.
This lineup the spurs FO is putting together should bring intesity on defense.

Both of those bolded guys above basically did not play at all last season. The one good defensive prospect, Hill, was benched with 10 games left to finish the season. Thomas barely played against the Mavs for matchup reasons.
All of our defensive stats were fairly average for the most part during the entire season.
You're delusional if you think Duncan can simply transmit defensive prowess by osmosis. It takes time and discipline to learn a system and apply it properly. I do think (and hope) that RJ will help us with defense. And Manu coming back should also help. But on the interior defense, it's Duncan or bust, and I don't feel really confident about that considering the matchups we have on the west.

[scottspurs]

http://www.sadfans.com/res/davis-shove-orlando-fan-kid.gif

Replace the kid with Jack and hopefully that's what we'll be seeing this year.

:lol :tu

[mingus]

if Mahinimi were a proven big who could defend the paint an acquisition of Davis would make a lot more sense. David isn't going to help guard guys like Gasol and Bynum though. fuck. Spurs need to pursue a BIG from the top up and not from side to side. Blair is our big guy. no need for two.

With Blair and Glenn Davis on the same team Pop would have to let go of one of his assistants to make room on the bench.

[DPG21920]

Look, I do not mind the move if there are others to come. Just have to see.

[kbrury]

difference between showing emotion and making a complete ass out of yourself. fuck this..fuckin big baby wow

yeah whats up with these players showing emotion when they hit a shot that wins an important playoff game. Shame on Big Baby he should leave the league because players showing emotion ruin the NBA.

[Ditty]

http://www.sadfans.com/res/davis-shove-orlando-fan-kid.gif

or that annoying ass mavs fan that shakes his hand clappers in the first row across the mavs bench

wtf i just noticed that there is a guy wearinga lebron jersey :lol

Replace the kid with Jack and hopefully that's what we'll be seeing this year.

[Spursfan092120]

Fukk around lay around! He will stay in D Town IMO, go for what you can get or who commits now! Baby so be it, just DO IT then.
I agree 100% Big Baby would definitely be an improvement. I was wishing we had him on our team last year...

[Bruno]

He sucks and I can't stand him. :td :td :td

[bless1187]

G. Davis is definitely not the 1st big man on my list, but after thinking it over; he really impressed me with his performance this playoff; the first few games that he had, i thought it might just be a fluke, but he kept up his good play through out the whole playoff. i was also really impressed by his mid range J, i see him as a poor man's D. West of the Hornets, and another thing i like about him is how much he improved from his 1st season to his 2nd season. i would not be opposed to this signing at all; since i believe he could average around 12 ppg 6 rpg for us.

[ivanfromwestwood]

yeah whats up with these players showing emotion when they hit a shot that wins an important playoff game. Shame on Big Baby he should leave the league because players showing emotion ruin the NBA.

thats what im talking bout homie. fuck um. lol

[scottspurs]

Both of those bolded guys above basically did not play at all last season. The one good defensive prospect, Hill, was benched with 10 games left to finish the season. Thomas barely played against the Mavs for matchup reasons.
All of our defensive stats were fairly average for the most part during the entire season.
You're delusional if you think Duncan can simply transmit defensive prowess by osmosis. It takes time and discipline to learn a system and apply it properly. I do think (and hope) that RJ will help us with defense. And Manu coming back should also help. But on the interior defense, it's Duncan or bust, and I don't feel really confident about that considering the matchups we have on the west.

You make a good point with RJ and Manu and I guess i must be delusional because I believe Duncan will hold down the fort down low. My point was that Pop and RC gave those guys one last try and it didn't work out(looking at it from a the 08 offseason point of view.) And it will take time, but I believe Pop will teach these young guys how to play some defense.

[DPG21920]

He sucks and I can't stand him. :td :td :td

I took care of this for you; saved you the trouble of having to argue about him being a good defender :lol

He does not "suck" completely, but....

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Any more actual EVIDENCE that this is happening, or are we still operating on some twit's tweet that has been repeated by the Boston Globe and Fox anti-news North-East?

[DesignatedT]

I guess you would rather have Gooden who shows less emotion and looks like a chicken with his head cut-off when he is out on the court.

whats this shit about emotion.. last time i checked the cornerstone of our franchise is tim duncan and hes got 4 rings without having to pound his chest and run around the court like an idiot. big baby can stay right next to kg and they can pound there chest together while riding paul pierce through another playoff again

[polandprzem]

He sucks and I can't stand him. :td :td :td

Same here in the North of Poland

[Mugen]

He sucks and I can't stand him. :td :td :td

+1 Bruno.

if they sign him, then i guess i can learn to like him.

but everytime i watched the celtics play, i thought he was a chucker and didn't really care for him.

[BobEX]

I'd be fine with signing Davis. Rasheed would have been a better fit, but Davis has youth on his side, and does have playoff and championship experience.

[Ninja]

We don't have perkins, but we have Ian, Blair and TIM FREAKING DUNCAN.
So out of Bonner, Ian, Blair, and Davis, which one are you comfortable starting?

[DPG21920]

Any more actual EVIDENCE that this is happening, or are we still operating on some twit's tweet that has been repeated by the Boston Globe and Fox anti-news North-East?

No one is saying it is happening for sure, but this is a thread about a potential signing and people's opinion on the subject.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

This thread is the greatest example of the "rumour mill" phenomonon I've ever seen.

BTW, I just heard from my copusin that his sister said that her uncle saw Michael Jackson at the mall yesterday, and my brother's uncle's dog saw Martians land in his back paddock last night. Yippee!

[kbrury]

I actually like him as a player just not on the Spurs atm, I was hoping they would draft him when they had the chance. If this is the sole bigman the Spurs are going to get this offseason Ill be just ok with it but it raises a lot more questions then answers. If this move goes along with a trade for a bigman or Splitter somehow comes over then Ill like this move a lot more. Davis has proven himself in the league already but he still has potential to become better. But who knows...all of this is uncertain atm we havn't even signed him yet.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No one is saying it is happening for sure, but this is a thread about a potential signing and people's opinion on the subject.

No sir, it's not. I've been in this thread as long as you have, and most people are posting as if it's a done deal.

[scottspurs]

So out of Bonner, Ian, Blair, and Davis, which one are you comfortable starting?

Let them battle for it and let Pop decide not me.

[DPG21920]

Why do you care about people discussing a POTENTIAL signing if they want to? It is the offseason and the source is not as bad as you make it out to be.

No one is saying it is guaransheed, but it is no different than a think tank FA thread that gets hot. What is the big deal? Obviously people like to speak on the subject.

[mingus]

This thread is the greatest example of the "rumour mill" phenomonon I've ever seen.

BTW, I just heard from my copusin that his sister said that her uncle saw Michael Jackson at the mall yesterday, and my brother's uncle's dog saw Marians land in his back paddock last night. Yippee!

i don't think anyone actually believes it's going to go through because of the twitter post ... it's people just pondering a potential acquisition, that's all.

[ElNono]

And it will take time, but I believe Pop will teach these young guys how to play some defense.

That's something we don't have. That's why we're looking for experienced players that can actually do a decent job of defending the paint. You know, like Kurt Thomas, but with more mobility.

[DPG21920]

No sir, it's not. I've been in this thread as long as you have, and most people are posting as if it's a done deal.


Well it is, because clearly he is not allowed to be signed yet.

[kbrury]

No sir, it's not. I've been in this thread as long as you have, and most people are posting as if it's a done deal.

Yeah people are taking it way overboard, I guess Rasheed not signing with the Spurs gets us a lot more anxious which results in what's happening in the thread.

[DesignatedT]

i just want dyess.. never even wanted sheed. dyess should be our man

[DPG21920]

Kori would close the thread if it did not belong. No need to have extra police.

[ElNono]

Nothing is a done deal until July 8th anyways.

[spurspokesman]

This would be a major, major blunder. Please do not let this be true. Please. If this is true, like I said, I HATE the RJ trade overall. Spurs will be capped out and out of the 2010 race.

No way you pay the luxury tax for Big Baby. Tim would ask to be traded.

We have arguably the same player in dejuan blair. Cut shit and get a center.

[kbrury]

Nothing is a done deal until July 8th anyways.

Yeah anything could happen, I'm still surprised with what happend with Hedo and Portland.

[scottspurs]

whats this shit about emotion.. last time i checked the cornerstone of our franchise is tim duncan and hes got 4 rings without having to pound his chest and run around the court like an idiot. big baby can stay right next to kg and they can pound there chest together while riding paul pierce through another playoff again

And Tim Duncan never shows any emotion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DYJKoCjWrQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPpIgKlBbo

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Well it is, because clearly he is not allowed to be signed yet.

:rolleyes

Don't be an arse. Gordon, Charlie V, Wallace haven't signed yet either, so that means they are not going where they have said they are going? You can be such a tool.

People have been reacting as if this is a done deal is my point, and it's NOT. There is not one word from the Spurs about this, nor even a respected scribe quoting a relevent source.

This entire thread, fun as it has been, is based on one stupid fucking tweet in which Tanquaray said "the Spurs could be after Davis", which was repeated soon after by the Boston Globe and Fox-wank North-East. That is my bloody point. All of this is based on not one concrete bit of evidence coming from the Spurs or anywhere in the vicinity of San Antonio. It's all heresay and conjecture, yet most of the posters in this thread treat it like it's gospel.

So, no, there's obviously no new evidence to suggest this is ACTUALLY HAPPENING.

[Kori Ellis]

Any more actual EVIDENCE that this is happening, or are we still operating on some twit's tweet that has been repeated by the Boston Globe and Fox anti-news North-East?

Why is it killing you that people are discussing it?

People discuss things here that are just fans' ideas for free agent pickups or trades. That's what message boards are for.

We get .. you don't believe that the Spurs are even looking at Big Baby, but you have been here long enough to know that people discuss POSSIBILITIES (both far fetched and likely) on the board. That's what the forum is for in the off season.

And as far as more evidence, no, nothing other than McDonald saying that the Spurs have been courting Big Baby and Bass.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Kori would close the thread if it did not belong. No need to have extra police.

Oh really, Mr Goody Two-Shoes? No shit.

I am not trying to police the thread, I was enquiring as to whether or not any actual evidence has turned up yet, which it clearly hasn't.

You miss the point by about 15,000miles half the time you post.

[scottspurs]

why do you care about people discussing a potential signing if they want to? It is the offseason and the source is not as bad as you make it out to be.

No one is saying it is guaransheed, but it is no different than a think tank fa thread that gets hot. What is the big deal? Obviously people like to speak on the subject.

+1

[mingus]

i wouldn't mind this signing if Rasho was brought back to fill the height need ... i doubt McDyess would still be attainable in the event that the Spurs sign Big Baby. i haven't watched Rash play since he was with the Spurs, but going by comments made here, i'm guessing he can still be productive.

a big rotation of

C: Timmy/Mahinmi/Rasho
PF: Big Baby/ Blair

is pretty damn good

[kbrury]

Why do you care about people discussing a POTENTIAL signing if they want to? It is the offseason and the source is not as bad as you make it out to be.

No one is saying it is guaransheed, but it is no different than a think tank FA thread that gets hot. What is the big deal? Obviously people like to speak on the subject.

/thread

[DPG21920]

:rolleyes

Don't be an arse. Gordon, Charlie V, Wallace haven't signed yet either, so that means they are not going where they have said they are going? You can be such a tool.

People have been reacting as if this is a done deal is my point, and it's NOT. There is not one word from the Spurs about this, nor even a respected scribe quoting a relevent source.

This entire thread, fun as it has been, is based on one stupid fucking tweet in which Tanquaray said "the Spurs could be after Davis", which was repeated soon after by the Boston Globe and Fox-wank North-East. That is my bloody point. All of this is based on not one concrete bit of evidence coming from the Spurs or anywhere in the vicinity of San Antonio. It's all heresay and conjecture, yet most of the posters in this thread treat it like it's gospel.

So, no, there's obviously no new evidence to suggest this is ACTUALLY HAPPENING.


Why is it killing you that people are discussing it?

People discuss things here that are just fans' ideas for free agent pickups or trades. That's what message boards are for.

We get .. you don't believe that the Spurs are even looking at Big Baby, but you have been here long enough to know that people discuss POSSIBILITIES (both far fetched and likely) on the board. That's what the forum is for in the off season.

And as far as more evidence, no, nothing other than McDonald saying that the Spurs have been courting Big Baby and Bass.

You are the tool. You are the one who misses the point. People always call you out for being a pompous prick and it shows again in this thread :tu

Not to mention you like to stroke your own ego and repost all the things "you said" looking for props "I get no respect". Just shhh.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Why is it killing you that people are discussing it?

People discuss things here that are just fans' ideas for free agent pickups or trades. That's what message boards are for.

We get .. you don't believe that the Spurs are even looking at Big Baby, but you have been here long enough to know that people discuss POSSIBILITIES (both far fetched and likely) on the board. That's what the forum is for in the off season.

And as far as more evidence, no nothing other than McDonald saying that the Spurs have been courting Big Baby and Bass.

No Kori, I have no problem with the discussion. At no time have I said that I have a problem with the discussion. Hell, I've been involved in the discussion. The discussion is a good thing. I came back into the thread to ask whether any actual evidence had cropped up, then DPG misinterpreted what I said, so I set him straight.

I also never said I don't think the Spurs are looking at Davis - they may well be for all I know. My problem is with a tweet becoming gospel, rumour turning into "fact" (until 24 hours later when actual facts come out and it is either proven or disproven). It doesn't really matter in the context of basketball I guess, but I have a problem with the evolution of media - so much of what is now stated by media as "fact" is actually conjecture and bullshit, later proven to be so, and in other contexts this can have devastating consequences. Really, my reaction is to the general trend of taking rumour to be fact.

Okay, so there's no more evidence, thanks. I'm eagerly awaiting some one way or the other. The other thing about rumour turning into fact is that once the rumour is out of the bag, it's hard to actually find the facts amongst the bullshit. I guess someone will start a thread when there is actual confirmation either way, so I'll leave it at that.

[DPG21920]

No Kori, I have no problem with the discussion. At no time have I said that I have a problem with the discussion. Hell, I've been involved in the discussion. The discussion is a good thing. I came back into the thread to ask whether any actual evidence had cropped up, then DPG misinterpreted what I said, so I set him straight.

I also never said I don't think the Spurs are looking at Davis - they may well be for all I know. My problem is with a tweet becoming gospel, rumour turning into "fact" (until 24 hours later when actual facts come out and it is either proven or disproven). It doesn't really matter in the context of basketball I guess, but I have a problem with the evolution of media - so much of what is now stated by media as "fact" is actually conjecture and bullshit, later proven to be so, and in other contexts this can have devastating consequences. Really, my reaction is to the general trend of taking rumour to be fact.

Okay, so there's no more evidence, thanks. I'm eagerly awaiting some one way or the other. The other thing about rumour turning into fact is that once the rumour is out of the bag, it's hard to actually find the facts amongst the bullshit. I guess someone will start a thread when there is actual confirmation either way, so I'll leave it at that.

:lol you are so sick bro :tu

Evidently I was not the only one to "misinterpret" your statements. Which is why Kori posted what she did along with others. Just let it go. That is extra funny coming from me :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You are the tool. You are the one who misses the point. People always call you out for being a pompous prick and it shows again in this thread :tu

Not to mention you like to stroke your own ego and repost all the things "you said" looking for props "I get no respect". Just shhh.

Sorry, "people"? Which people? You are the only one. You took what I said on page 21:

"Any more actual EVIDENCE that this is happening, or are we still operating on some twit's tweet that has been repeated by the Boston Globe and Fox anti-news North-East?"

and then twisted it into me objecting to the thread, which IS NOT THE CASE, which Kori then picked up on and had a go at me for.

YOU missed the point buddy boy, and half the fucking posters around here have told you to STFU today so you hardly have a leg to stand on.

[Kori Ellis]

No Kori, I have no problem with the discussion. At no time have I said that I have a problem with the discussion. Hell, I've been involved in the discussion. The discussion is a good thing. I came back into the thread to ask whether any actual evidence had cropped up, then DPG misinterpreted what I said, so I set him straight.



No, you came back in here to be condescending to anyone who would still be discussing this farfetched rumor from someone that you consider to be such an unreliable source. I am not sure if you read what you write, but this thread is FULL of examples of you talking down to people. And maybe if that's not what you are meaning to do, that's why people are "misinterpreting" what you say.


My problem is with a tweet becoming gospel, rumour turning into "fact" (until 24 hours later when actual facts come out and it is either proven or disproven).

No one has said it was a fact. It's impossible to be a fact at this point -- he can't sign yet.

[DesignatedT]

im goin to bed. i can already see it in my dreams big baby in silver and black running around the court showing "emotion" looking like a fuckin moron.

FML

[Kori Ellis]

im goin to bed. i can already see it in my dreams big baby in silver and black running around the court showing "emotion" looking like a fuckin moron.

FML

You should have heard me in the car earlier doing my impersonations of Big Kev introducing Big Baby at the AT&T Center :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:lol you are so sick bro :tu

Evidently I was not the only one to "misinterpret" your statements. Which is why Kori posted what she did along with others. Just let it go. That is extra funny coming from me :lol

Try addressing the whole post, dipshit.

Show me where I objected to the discussion. As I said, I have participated in the discussion all day. I understand that this is what ST is for.

You use the very clever debating tricks of: using strawman arguments (taking what someone else has said and twisting its meaning), and picking small, isolated parts of an argument and answering only those premises without addressing the whole. You think it's clever but anyone with a brain can see straight through it.

Try answering a straight question with a straight answer next time, or STFU.

[Shastafarian]

im goin to bed. i can already see it in my dreams big baby in silver and black running around the court showing "emotion" looking like a fuckin moron.

FML

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3213/2321828175_c67ecacb7b.jpg


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[DPG21920]

Sorry, "people"? Which people? You are the only one. You took what I said on page 21:

"Any more actual EVIDENCE that this is happening, or are we still operating on some twit's tweet that has been repeated by the Boston Globe and Fox anti-news North-East?"

and then twisted it into me objecting to the thread, which IS NOT THE CASE, which Kori then picked up on and had a go at me for.

YOU missed the point buddy boy, and half the fucking posters around here have told you to STFU today so you hardly have a leg to stand on.[/

You mean 2 people out of the thousands of posters today?We had a debate about basketball and the topic in the thread. LMAO at you sons. At least we were talking about basketball. You talk about nothing. You want to be a mod, just ask.

But I will let you slide tonight. It is not easy knowing we are going to have a Big Baby. Let it soak in. No more responses to you unless it is topic related tonight.

[DesignatedT]

HA. or the intern PA guy. B-B-B-B-B BIG BABYYYYY


i can already see it. game 7 of the finals 10 seconds left and pop runs the old reliable. pick and roll with finley and big baby

[Shastafarian]

thousands?

[poeticism707]

G. Davis is definitely not the 1st big man on my list, but after thinking it over; he really impressed me with his performance this playoff; the first few games that he had, i thought it might just be a fluke, but he kept up his good play through out the whole playoff. i was also really impressed by his mid range J, i see him as a poor man's D. West of the Hornets, and another thing i like about him is how much he improved from his 1st season to his 2nd season. i would not be opposed to this signing at all; since i believe he could average around 12 ppg 6 rpg for us.

+1000.

As long as Davis has the green light to shoot the 15 footers ALL YEAR LONG FROM GAME 1, he'll be a great pick up for the Spurs for only the MLE. So when the playoffs roll around, he'll keep shooting just like he has the second half of the season and playoffs with Boston.

At 24, with how much intensity he has, and how much he's improved already, and at 6'9 (measured in shoes pre-draft), you could hardly ask for a better pick up for the MLE.

Not to mention, ON PICK AND ROLLS, THE SPURS ONLY PLAY, HE'LL HAVE THE ROOM TO SHOOT AS MUCH AS HE WANTS, PRACTICALLY.

Based on his past performances, he'll deliver. Defensively, which includes hedging picks and especially on ball defense, he'll deliver.

[DPG21920]

thousands?

:lol don't

Over 10000 views in this thread!

[DPG21920]

Unplanned Baby's can ruin a relationship :lol

[kbrury]

Game 7 Western Conference Finals Suns vs. Spurs
5 seconds to go and Ginobili passes to Big Baby for the three!


What would suns fans do lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No, you came back in here to be condescending to anyone who would still be discussing this farfetched rumor from someone that you consider to be such an unreliable source. I am not sure if you read what you write, but this thread is FULL of examples of you talking down to people. And maybe if that's not what you are meaning to do, that's why people are "misinterpreting" what you say.

No one has said it was a fact. It's impossible to be a fact at this point -- he can't sign yet.

No actually, I didn't. I wanted to know if more evidence had turned up, as I asked. I'm as keen as anyone to know who our next starting big man is going to be, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions about it. I want facts. Since this is a thread all about it, I would have thought anything that turns up would be reported in here.

Oh, for fucksake, "It's impossible to be a fact at this point -- he can't sign yet." Come on Kori, that's just bullshit and you know it. Has any reliable source confirmed that this is happening? No. Fine. Leave it at that.

[Shastafarian]

:lol don't

http://a.espncdn.com/media/ncb/2006/0325/photo/a_davis_275.jpg

Oh you betta respek ya'll. Other wise I'm gonna have to *snap snap* smack a bitch.

[DPG21920]

Did he borrow that feather scarf from the Hulkster?

[DesignatedT]

http://cantbuyabucket.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/big_baby_shirt1.jpg

[montgod]

If this is true... the Spurs might want to rethink moving back to the Alamodome since Baby gonna need some space to run after he hits a shot.

That or make sure all ball boys and children are seated after Spurs offensive sets... haha.

[Kori Ellis]

No actually, I didn't. I wanted to know if more evidence had turned up, as I asked. I'm as keen as anyone to know who our next starting big man is going to be, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions about it. I want facts. Since this is a thread all about it, I would have thought anything that turns up would be reported in here.

Oh, for fucksake, "It's impossible to be a fact at this point -- he can't sign yet." Come on Kori, that's just bullshit and you know it. Has any reliable source confirmed that this is happening? No. Fine. Leave it at that.


You might have wanted to know if any evidence turned up. But the way you write, you are just flat out condescending to anyone else who might just feel like continuing to discusss possiblities, not facts.

If you want facts, you aren't going to get them anytime until the Spurs actually sign someone or extend someone an offer sheet. Until then, it's all just rumors, reports and maybes, no matter where it's coming from.

[montgod]

Did he borrow that feather scarf from the Hulkster?

If he did, he will have to return it soon since his wife probably has dibs on it after their divorce.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You mean 2 people out of the thousands of posters today?We had a debate about basketball and the topic in the thread. LMAO at you sons. At least we were talking about basketball. You talk about nothing. You want to be a mod, just ask.

But I will let you slide tonight. It is not easy knowing we are going to have a Big Baby. Let it soak in. No more responses to you unless it is topic related tonight.

You accuse me of condescension and you say things like "I will let you slide tonight". You truly are deluded, and a fuckwit to boot.

I have absolutely no interest in moderating any forum, let alone one like this that runs extremely well without moderation. Where do you get off telling me what I think or want?

Fuck you and your annoying shit, you are the second person on my ignore list, and I suggest you do the same to me so we don't have to cross paths. You shit me to tears.

[DPG21920]

Ice Age 2 was a good movie.

[Shastafarian]

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/03/21/glen_big_baby_davis.jpg

I is confused

[DPG21920]

I am not going to rip on him for his looks :lol

His game though is well........fair game.

[Shastafarian]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/big_baby_davis.jpg

I just wish you guys would stop fighting *sniffle*

[Spursfan092120]

im goin to bed. i can already see it in my dreams big baby in silver and black running around the court showing "emotion" looking like a fuckin moron.

FML
So can I..except without the moron part...

v2lfCyu7qT8 AjMIVCl-FKo 5u45G4GA8sk bJZ4Wkl9aNo hrrq_dSVcsU

[kbrury]

Ice Age 2 was a good movie.
really I guess ill have to go see it. Oh did you hear who the spurs are....nvm

[Mugen]

http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/03/21/glen_big_baby_davis.jpg

I is confused


:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

He's definitely "fun".

lSSq3fWS2dI

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You might have wanted to know if any evidence turned up. But the way you write, you are just flat out condescending to anyone else who might just feel like continuing to discusss possiblities, not facts.

If you want facts, you aren't going to get them anytime until the Spurs actually sign someone or extend someone an offer sheet. Until then, it's all just rumors, reports and maybes, no matter where it's coming from.

Nothing I've said has even hinted at criticising people for discussing possibilities - that's what ST is for. Why would I ever have a problem with that? It makes no sense.

I have just tried to point out that it's hardly a fact. Go back and look at how many posters have wandered into the thread and just assumed this is a done deal.

So Gordon and Charlie to the Pistons is a rumour? Sheed to Boston is a rumour? Okay then. What are we worried about then? Sheed could still be coming here.

I didn't come back to fight with anyone, and now it's a shitstorm, so I'm going again. I remember now why I avoided the internet during FA season last year... it's a migraine headache in sheep's clothing.

[Avitus1]

Fuck!

[DesignatedT]

He's definitely "fun".

lSSq3fWS2dI



WOW. just WOW

[DPG21920]

I do not have anyone on ignore. Nor will I ever. It is pointless. I can always just manually ignore, but you never know when someone will post something useful. That and no one bothers me enough to even consider it.

[Kori Ellis]

I have just tried to point out that it's hardly a fact. Go back and look at how many posters have wandered into the thread and just assumed this is a done deal.

That's sort of the point... no one needs you to repeat over and over and over and over and over that it's just at "twit on Twitter", "not a fact", "not a reliable source" (WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS .... STOP STOP STOP .. this is how you appear)

NO ONE thinks it's a fact. NO ONE is treating it as a fact. EVERYONE is just discussing the possibility!



So Gordon and Charlie to the Pistons is a rumour? Sheed to Boston is a rumour? Okay then. What are we worried about then? Sheed could still be coming here.


No, you don't have to be smart ass. Those guys have received contracts in principle and you know that.

Anyway, one day I hope you wake up enough to frickin read how you write to people here.

[Shastafarian]

He's definitely "fun".

lSSq3fWS2dI

Oh man. I feel bad for making fun of him now. It's never ok to make fun of someone with Down's.

[DPG21920]

I am not going to rip on him for his looks :lol

His game though is well........fair game.


Oh man. I feel bad for making fun of him now. It's never ok to make fun of someone with Down's.

I was trying to help.

[rayray2k8]

Oh dear lord, I hope it's pure bullshit. Signing Big Fat, doesn't make any sense.
RC himself even said they were looking for a 4.
This dude is more like a SF!! It's only because of his weight that makes him a 4. That being said, I don't think it's true.

The spurs FO have done an outstanding job so far, so why doubt them now?
Nobody really ever predicts what the spurs do anyway.
So I'll wait till Wednesday to roll by to see if the spurs do anything..
If the main reason to their slow start in FA is because they have a deal in the works, then it will be
well worth the wait.

I'm surprised that I actually have to say this but, BELIEVE in our FO.
:lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No, you don't have to be smart ass. Those guys have received contracts in principle and you know that.

Anyway, one day I hope you wake up enough to frickin read how you write to people here.

Well, I was only a smartarse in return for your comment about how nothing is certain because no-one has signed up yet, which DPG had already thrown at me half a page earlier, and which is clearly disingenuous.

I write as I write, and sure I'm condescending sometimes and give people shit when I think they deserve it, and I get plenty in return too. That's the nature of this place.

[Dro210]

So do we know if we would have to use the whole MLE on Davis?

Is there a possiblilty of Davis AND Powe with a split of the MLE?

Stick stealing Sheed up Boston's ass

[Blackjack]

I will say this, the media's gonna' have a lot more fun with some of the interviews that are potentially available.

Jefferson, Blair, McClinton, and maybe Davis?

I'll be interested in seeing how Pop deals with some guys that have the potential to get off the script.:lol

[Mr. Body]

So do we know if we would have to use the whole MLE on Davis?

Is there a possiblilty of Davis AND Powe with a split of the MLE?

Stick stealing Sheed up Boston's ass

Davis is an RFA, Boston gets to match any offer he gets.

If it's $3 million or so, I see them matching. They may even match the full MLE.

[DPG21920]

SL will answer some questions hopefully.

[Dro210]

Davis is an RFA, Boston gets to match any offer he gets.

If it's $3 million or so, I see them matching. They may even match the full MLE.

I see... didn't realize he was restricted. Thanks. :toast

Fuckin Boston

[Kori Ellis]

I'll be interested in seeing how Pop deals with some guys that have the potential to get off the script.:lol

:lol Yeah Big Baby is a little "looney" at times, so it would actually be kind of funny if he signed.

[J.T.]

:lol Yeah Big Baby is a little "looney" at times, so it would actually be kind of funny if he signed.

Davis might actually tongue Manu if they put those two on the kiss me cam.

[Blackjack]

:lol Yeah Big Baby is a little "looney" at times, so it would actually be kind of funny if he signed.

I'm looking for all the positives possible.:lol

Don't sleep on Blair, either. The kid likes to have a little fun and can sometime say what everyone knows but no one seems to say. Sometimes brutal honesty is not only refreshing, but hilarious.

[Blackjack]

Davis might actually tongue Manu if they put those two on the kiss me cam.

Glad you said Manu and not...

[baseline bum]

Glad you said Manu and not...

:lol

[J.T.]

I don't get it.

[Spurtacus]

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs024.snc1/2387_554490529402_3103453_33980322_7370_n.jpg

ah hell fucking no!

[kobyz]

at one point Big Baby will have enough with the hard work that he need to do for his weight problem and he will stop to work hard and then he will be a bad player. because of it it's a risky move.

[jag]

haha this is so strange. I'll definitely be on the edge of my seat for the next few days. And this thread is hilarious.

Also, I wouldnt mind seeing this at all if he's a guy coming off the bench. He'd be playing a similar role to Gooden (except he knows what a defensive rotation is). As a starter this makes no sense, and i doubt the Spurs would pursue Davis for that type of a role.

[sonic21]

He's just a really overweight jumpshooter (and not a good one)

[sonic21]

I really can't express how much I don't want him.

[Tully365]

Spurstalk has an interesting schizophrenic aspect to it-- on the one hand, people love the phrase "CIA POP" and use it all the time to imply that Pop is working secretly behind the scenes, undercover (like a ninja!), and doing things that nobody has any knowledge of... and on the other hand, spurstalk erupts with debate whenever any rumor surfaces in the media about a potential move that the Spurs might make. There should be another term for all the times the Spurs' secret plans are supposedly somehow leaked... In honor of Nixon and the 1970s, I propose "Deepthroat Pop!"

If Big Baby is in fact signed by the Spurs, it will be soooo funny every time Jefferson passes to Davis or Davis passes to Jefferson to hear or read someone make a reference to Gaydar... the endless source of gay jokes is infinite! This year promises to be hhhhysssterical!

[Spurm]

ohhhh Too bad these bitches lost the R. Wallace sweepstakes...
Jefferson won't be enough you ignorant dumbasses...

[Tully365]

ohhhh Too bad these bitches lost the R. Wallace sweepstakes...
Jefferson won't be enough you ignorant dumbasses...

The illustrious Dr Spurm?! From Yale?!
is that really you??

[MI21]

Hopefully this is just speculation and not a strong possibility.

Davis is a horrible fit for the Spurs. A more cerebral, consistent, taller player is necessary to challenge the top teams. I would even prefer to start somebody like Rasho over Davis.

Plus, I thought the Spurs already got there shortish, round power player in Blair to play 10-15MPG off of the bench?

[spursbird]

Big Baby Per 36 Minutes
6.6 rebounds
0.4 blocks

Big Bonner Per 36 Minutes
7.2 rebounds
0.5 blocks
Pops Mensah_Bonsu Per 36 Minutes
14.0 rebounds
0.6 blocks
14.0 points
1.40 steals

[MI21]

Pops Mensah_Bonsu Per 36 Minutes
14.0 rebounds
0.6 blocks
14.0 points
1.40 steals

Yeah, I agree, Pops is exactly like prime Mutombo.

[Spurs da champs]

Pops Mensah_Bonsu Per 36 Minutes
14.0 rebounds
0.6 blocks
14.0 points
1.40 steals

Again another nobody. If the spurs wanted him they wouldn't of released him.

[siraulo23]

http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay

"As I said it looks Big Baby will be a Spur. He feels he will lose minutes with Rasheed now a Celtic and Grant Hill on the way."

[K-State Spur]

http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay

"As I said it looks Big Baby will be a Spur. He feels he will lose minutes with Rasheed now a Celtic and Grant Hill on the way."

god, i'd rather have a green rash on my ass than watch him play next year...

[Cheddz]

On every freaking Spurs message board last season all I read was "OMG Spurs are SOOOO OOOOLLLDD!!!! WHY DO WE SIGN OLD GUYS!?!?!?!?"

Now we're bitching because of the prospect that we may sign someone who's not old and still has room to grow under a legit coach like Pop.

Fire and Brimstone. Falling sky. Dogs and cats living together.

[Muser]

On every freaking Spurs message board last season all I read was "OMG Spurs are SOOOO OOOOLLLDD!!!! WHY DO WE SIGN OLD GUYS!?!?!?!?"

Now we're bitching because of the prospect that we may sign someone who's not old and still has room to grow under a legit coach like Pop.

Fire and Brimstone. Falling sky. Dogs and cats living together.

Not bitching because he's old, bitching because he's a huge turd.

[Cheddz]

Not bitching because he's old, bitching because he's a huge turd.

I don't really give a rats backside about Davis or Gortat or Sheed or whoever...don't get me wrong. I don't think Davis is Charles Barkley or anything....I just love the schizophrenic nature of Spurs fans when it comes to Free Agency.

I like the Haislip deal...that's a nice start. Getting Blair will hopefully work for us. Glen Davis (not the awesome former Astro) probably isn't really even on the Spurs radar....the front office will likely get one or two of those bargain basement guys like Walt Hermann who's tall and can shoot decently...like Rasheed (although I'd love for Zaza to be a Spur) to fill out the roster and call it a day.

And Spurs fans will hate the moves...until they pay off for awhile....and if the Spurs don't win a title this upcoming season, will hate them again.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

I've wanted Big Baby on the Spurs since he came out of college, and I'm very happy with this deal IF it is not for the full MLE, and he drops a few more pounds. The guy drained some clutch shots in this last playoffs and showed a noticeable improvement in his game. He wasn't afraid to attack the basket and when left open he consistently hit that mid-range jumper. He's a young kid that plays with heart and is playoff tested, yeah I would have jizzed my pants if we signed Sheed but I'm not crying my eyes out that instead we got a guy much younger that still has improvements he knows he can make to his game.

[Cheddz]

I've wanted Big Baby on the Spurs since he came out of college, and I'm very happy with this deal IF it is not for the full MLE, and he drops a few more pounds. The guy drained some clutch shots in this last playoffs and showed a noticeable improvement in his game. He wasn't afraid to attack the basket and when left open he consistently hit that mid-range jumper. He's a young kid that plays with heart and is playoff tested, yeah I would have jizzed my pants if we signed Sheed but I'm not crying my eyes out that instead we got a guy much younger that still has improvements he knows he can make to his game.


I'd think that Taco Cabana Fajitas would run in fear from Glen Davis.

[Marcus Bryant]

Hopefully this is just speculation and not a strong possibility.

Davis is a horrible fit for the Spurs. A more cerebral, consistent, taller player is necessary to challenge the top teams. I would even prefer to start somebody like Rasho over Davis.



Is it just me or did not Pop put the "cerebral, consistent, taller" Radoslav on ice in the last postseason he was in SA and then the Spurs won a title the following season with Oberto getting heavy minutes next to TD?

[hater]

I'd rather get the Greek Baby Shaq over Davis. Literally cheaper by the pound

[bigdog]

Please, RC, DO NOT give this fool a contract.

[hsxvvd]

I like Glen Davis. I think he'll prove he is worth the MLE. Young, playoff proven, talent with potential for more, a good guy. He's also marketable and a positive locker room guy. Might not be the rebounding stud we need, but he's a welcome addition in my opinion.

I can't help but feel that the reaction of many in this thread is based more on the NOT getting of Sheed than their true thoughts about Davis.

[Muser]

I like Glen Davis. I think he'll prove he is worth the MLE. Young, playoff proven, talent with potential for more. Might not be the rebounding stud we need, but he's a welcome addition in my opinion.

I can't help but feel that the reaction of many in this thread is based more on the NOT getting of Sheed than their true thoughts about Davis.


Glen davis does not really bring anything new to the Spurs that we had in Gooden/Bonner.

[The_Game]

I bet Spurs are giving him the MLE...no reason to try and sign him for anything lower otherwise the offer sheet will get matched.

[Marcus Bryant]

Glen davis does not really bring anything new to the Spurs that we had in Gooden/Bonner.

Other than not missing rotations and not playing like a pussy in the postseason.

[Rummpd]

Big Baby had improved every year - showed guts to take a big shot and would also take up space inside and be able to lean on a Bynum and might also be the kind of player to get taller players in trouble with fouls. Agree he is not the total answer but yes thank you if he is one of two bigs coming in!

[hsxvvd]

Glen davis does not really bring anything new to the Spurs that we had in Gooden/Bonner.

289 pounds? :lol

No but seriously, he's basically at least Gooden now.... and he's got a chance to be better. Bonner... do I even need to argue about Bonner?

The guy is a winner. Don't worry about what he doesn't do. We need young talent and it's Pop's job to find a way to make the best of those skills.

[Pucho!!!]

I like Glen Davis. I think he'll prove he is worth the MLE. Young, playoff proven, talent with potential for more. Might not be the rebounding stud we need, but he's a welcome addition in my opinion.

I can't help but feel that the reaction of many in this thread is based more on the NOT getting of Sheed than their true thoughts about Davis.

I never thought of Big Baby as anything more than a role player. The full MLE is a lot to give to sumone a lot of GMs feel is a role player in this league. I just can't c this deal happenin. Don't c what's so impressive about Big Baby. If we gettn him to be a backup then I'm all for it, but it looks like the Spurs have set themselves up with plenty of backups in the frontcourt. His playoff numbers r sumwhat inflated as well (the celtics were depleted on the frontline). Behind Perkins, who was there: Big Baby and Scalabrine (if I'm not mistaken, Powe was out with an injury along with KG). Wow, who would u give min to? 5.8 mil > Big Baby. Doin the C position by committee wouldn't be a good idea either, IMO. Look how well that idea turned out with the backup PG role last season. Regardless of my rant, I'm confident the Spurs will bring in sumone who can start, rebound, block shots and can hit a 15-18 ft jumper.

[DPG21920]

http://celticshub.com/2009/04/22/is-glen-davis-a-good-player/

You may have seen that David Berri’s wins produced formula ranks Glen Davis among the 45 least productive players in the NBA this season. (For an explanation of the WP formula, go here). By net wins produced, only eight players in the league were worse than Davis; when broken down by minutes played (the WP/48 column in Berri’s post), 32 players on the list of 45 rank worse than Davis–he’s penalized in the net WP category because he played more minutes than most of the guys on this list.

No one reading this site thinks Glen Davis is a star. But to be told he’s one of the least valuable players in the league is surprising, if only because fans naturally develop an affection for players they watch a lot.

But is Baby really this bad? My quick reaction is that he scores badly here (and in PER) for two reasons: 1) He’s a bad defensive rebounder, and both metrics value rebounding highly; and 2) He was awful on offense until around mid-January. Let’s take these one at a time.

Offense

I want to start here, because I think net statistics miss the broader narrative we’ve seen unfold during Davis’ second season in the league.

To say Glen Davis has become a different offensive player this season is an understatement. Few NBA players change their offensive games from one season to the next as dramatically as Glen Davis did. In his rookie year, 29 percent of Baby’s shots were jumpers; 67 percent came from in close. This year, he nearly reversed those percentages–60 percent of his attempts were jump shots, and just 36 percent came from in close, according to 82games. I wonder how many players adjust their offensive games to this extent through their entire careers.

Let’s look at this in graph form, since graphs are fun and have colors. First, here’s Baby’s NBA hot spot chart from last season:

http://celticshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/picture-2-300x175.png


Glen Davis took 37 jump shots last year. Thirty-seven jumpers. All season.

Now, here’s the same chart for this season:

http://celticshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/picture-3-300x177.png

Glen Davis took more jumpers from the left baseline this season than he took from all over the court combined in 07-08. (Yes, Baby played 8 more minutes per game this season, but that doesn’t disprove the larger point). It’s a jarring change when you look at it this way.

And it started horribly. On January 12, Kelly Dwyer wrote the following on BDL: “Davis is killing the Celtics. Destroying this team. His PER on the season is around 8, which puts him amongst the worst rotation players in the NBA, and PER doesn’t account for his defensive attributes. Which are awful. Ruddy awful.”

(I love that Kelly Dwyer uses the word “ruddy” on a regular basis. He is awesome).

And Kelly was right. Davis’ PER was under 8, which is really, really hard to do if you’re playing real minutes in the league, if only because you’re not good enough to play real minutes. On Jan. 19 on my old blog, I pointed out that, on that date, Glen Davis was shooting 28 percent on jump shots for the season. I criticized the shot selection (and the connected decline in FTAs) and implored Baby to go to the hoop more.

The guys at Red’s Army, on the other hand, took a longer view. In posts I can’t find right now (Red’s is re-designing, it appears), Red’s called for Davis to keep shooting, arguing that he could help the team most by developing a jump shot.

Red’s was right, and I was wrong, and Glen Davis developed a jump shot. So what happened? Davis’ PER for the season is now around 11, and his shooting percentage on jump shots is up to 37 percent. Neither of those numbers are good (an average PER is around 15), but considering Davis had a 7.5 PER and a 28 percent mark on jumpers after 50 games, they show considerable development. Since late January, Glen Davis has compiled about a league average PER.

Rebounding and Defense, after the jump.


Glen Davis is not a good defensive rebounder. And if there’s one thing that makes people uncomfortable with Wins Produced and PER (note: I said “people,” not “me”), it’s that both systems give huge weight to rebounding. (Please note: Berri’s system makes adjustments for the fact that big guys get more rebounds than guards, and the numbers he ends up with rank players relative to those who play the same position/s).

Davis’s defensive rebounding rate is 12.8, meaning he grabs 12.8 percent of available defensive rebounds. This is terrible for a power forward. Of 81 forwards (SFs and PFs) who played enough to be eligible for the scoring title, only eight had lower DRB rates than Davis. In order from “best” to “worst”: Hilton Armstrong, Brandon Rush, Darius Songalia, Nicolas Batum, Thaddeus Young, Al Thornton, Steve Novak, Bruce Bowen and Jason Kapono.

Not good company for a burly power forward. (Celtics trivia: Pierce is 53rd; Powe 29th).

To his credit, Davis’ 9.4 percent offensive rebounding rate ranks him 22nd among these 81 players. That type of ORB-DRB rate gap seems unusual; the same players (other than Armstrong) populate the basement of both lists. (Celtic trivia: Leon Powe is #2 in the entire NBA in this category, trailing only Kevin Love. Get well, Leon).

I’m not sure why Davis is so bad at rebounding on one end and decent at the other, and we’re nearing the 900-word mark, so I’m not going to speculate now (though I have e-mailed a couple of NBA experts to weigh in).

As for defense, opposing power forwards put up a solid 18 PER against Baby, and the C’s defense gives up five more points per 100 possessions with Baby on the floor. The new Basketball Prospectus stats show he’s cut his opponents production by about seven percent, but that he’s typically matched up against bad players.

I’ll leave the full defensive analysis of Baby for another post. My goal here was to provide some explanation for why he fares so poorly in some of the most prominent player value metrics we have (including Hollinger’s new Wins Added, where Baby ranks 288th in the league, having “added” -0.6 wins to the Celtics total this season).

I’d be very curious to see how the New Baby–the post-Jan. 15 Baby–would finish in these metrics over the course of a full season. I wonder how much the Celtics are willing to pay to find out?

[K-State Spur]

http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay

"As I said it looks Big Baby will be a Spur. He feels he will lose minutes with Rasheed now a Celtic and Grant Hill on the way."


289 pounds? :lol

No but seriously, he's basically at least Gooden now....

Outside of 2 weeks in the playoffs last year...not even close from an offensive perspective.

From a defensive perspective...well, my grandmother would give us what we get from Gooden.

[Pucho!!!]

I think the improvement in his offensive numbers in the 2nd half of the season came more due to KGs injury than a large improvement in his skills. Besides, do we need another young big? We got a whole barn full of them. We need a vet to teach these young cats the error of their ways.

[K-State Spur]

Personally, I think he'd get banished to the bench VERY early in the season.

He has a knack for jacking up contested jumpers with plenty of time left on the shot clock...and that was on a team where he was surrounded by KG, Pierce, and Allen.

[sa_butta]

If Big baby comes....San Antonio will run out of food with Blair already here.

[tmtcsc]

If Big baby comes....San Antonio will run out of food with Blair already here.

You do realize Blair lost 40 lbs right ? I don't think he's looking to gain that weight back. Although, maybe he should.

[lefty]

Big Baby has a great shot but that's it :td

[twilo73]

I really don't want Davis... if I got my choice it would be Varejao at this point.

[mudyez]

lets go for Zaza!

[z0sa]

please God no

[bigdog]

Hell no

[Spursmania]

please God no

ditto:depressed

[Dex]

:lmao at the reaction to Big Baby being like something out of a Godzilla flick.

[urunobili]

I'd take Davis for less than the MLE. Maybe like 3.5?

2.5 sounds fair to me...

[tp2021]

How much is too much for Boston to match?

[Spursfan092120]

How much is too much for Boston to match?
With signing Rasheed and probably Hill, I don't think they're going to match what we're going to offer...just my opinion.

[Gino2882]

I'd take Davis for less than the MLE. Maybe like 3.5?

The question is why would you want him at all? If the Spurs offered him 3.5 and he agreed (not likely) the Celtics would most likely match the offer quickly.

The fact of the matter is Glen Davis offers the Spurs NOTHING. Nothing at all really.

I would GLADLY take Blair over Davis. Davis really would be a waste of MLE.

[objective]

I'm still surprised at the over-rating of Big Baby here. People going so far as to make things up like him being some kind of big part of the Celtics 08 title team and people saying absurd things like he 'carried' the Cs this past playoffs against the Magic, and imply that he singlehandedly took Orlando seven games (even though he averaged 13.5 and 4.5 and on a team with Rondo, Pierce and Perkins he wasn't carrying jack shit).

If the Spurs want to give him a Malik-esque MLE deal, then they can enjoy their Malik-esque deadweight on the salary cap/luxury tax.

[Spursfan092120]

I would GLADLY take Blair over Davis. Davis really would be a waste of MLE.
?? That's just ridiculous...you're just drinking the "OH NO, NOT BIG BABY" Kool-Aid. Blair is an unproven PF with no ACLs in his knees...Big Baby is a clutch shooter who has proven he can play in the NBA. Besides...we are going to have Blair also...we drafted him, he's not a free agent.

[Spursfan092120]

I'm still surprised at the over-rating of Big Baby here. People going so far as to make things up like him being some kind of big part of the Celtics 08 title team and people saying absurd things like he 'carried' the Cs this past playoffs against the Magic, and imply that he singlehandedly took Orlando seven games (even though he averaged 13.5 and 4.5 and on a team with Rondo, Pierce and Perkins he wasn't carrying jack shit).

If the Spurs want to give him a Malik-esque MLE deal, then they can enjoy their Malik-esque deadweight on the salary cap/luxury tax.
I'm more surprised at the under-rating of Big Baby..people like you who are acting like signing him is the equivalent of a natural disaster...he's not worse than Bonner or Fabri or KT...the bottom line is, he's a positive.

[objective]

I'm more surprised at the under-rating of Big Baby..people like you who are acting like signing him is the equivalent of a natural disaster...he's not worse than Bonner or Fabri or KT...the bottom line is, he's a positive.

wow, not worse than Bonner or Fabri or KT.

That's a recipe for losing in the playoffs.

There's no under-rating of Big Baby. I'm acting like signing him to a near or full MLE deal isn't a good fit for the Spurs and their needs. Your 'natural disaster' swipe is quite humourous. I could just as easily say that people like you are orgasming over a fat no-rebounding slug. But I like to keep to the facts. :lol

Funny you won't even acknoweledge the over-rating going around.

[Spursfan092120]

wow, not worse than Bonner or Fabri or KT.

That's a recipe for losing in the playoffs.

There's no under-rating of Big Baby. I'm acting like signing him to a near or full MLE deal isn't a good fit for the Spurs and their needs. Your 'natural disaster' swipe is quite humourous. I could just as easily say that people like you are orgasming over a fat no-rebounding slug. But I like to keep to the facts. :lol

Funny you won't even acknoweledge the over-rating going around.
Wow...you're as bad as KBP...saying people "like me" are orgasming over Big Baby...you must not have read any of my posts...pay attention, dude. I said I preferred Sheed, but the front office knows what they're doing, and we, as fans, need to calm down...they know more than we do. If they sign David, I'm going to cheer him...because he's a Spur...period...

[Gino2882]

I'm more surprised at the under-rating of Big Baby..people like you who are acting like signing him is the equivalent of a natural disaster...he's not worse than Bonner or Fabri or KT...the bottom line is, he's a positive.

It would be as close to a disaster as a team could do with their MLE.

What does Davis bring the Spurs for 5.5 million? He is a terrible rebounder and weak defender. He offers ZERO shot blocking.

He doesn't compliment Duncan at all.

The current Spurs (Mahinmi, Blair) compliment Duncan. Davis, hah, not at all.

[Spursfan092120]

It would be as close to a disaster as a team could do with their MLE.

What does Davis bring the Spurs for 5.5 million? He is a terrible rebounder and weak defender. He offers ZERO shot blocking.

He doesn't compliment Duncan at all.

The current Spurs (Mahinmi, Blair) compliment Duncan. Davis, hah, not at all.
None of us will know how he compliments Duncan until he's on the team...Duncan makes other people better...as does Parker and Ginobili..if he signs here, and becomes a Spur, we will cheer him...unless you're not a fan.

[objective]

Wow...you're as bad as KBP...saying people "like me" are orgasming over Big Baby...you must not have read any of my posts...pay attention, dude. I said I preferred Sheed, but the front office knows what they're doing, and we, as fans, need to calm down...they know more than we do. If they sign David, I'm going to cheer him...because he's a Spur...period...

so now I'm as bad as KBP? LOL

1st, no shit if they sign him I'm going to cheer for him and hope for the best. What is this crap? You think I'd not root for my team because they made a move I disagreed with? I rooted for them through Rasho and Elson and Finley's re-up. And loads of other moves (Carl Herrera, Charles Smith the first). So give up your implied accusation that people who don't like Big Baby aren't real Spurs fans or whatever it is you're trying to get across.

And wow, I said 'people like you' . . . just as you directed a 'people like you' at me ! How terrible of me to write about you as you wrote about me.

What is this nonsense about the front office knows what they're doing so fans should calm down? Calm down? I don't see anyone rioting or picketing outside the AT&T box office. It's just people on a message board discussing whether they think the potential of getting Davis on an undetermined contract (though thought to be large enough to get Boston not to match) is a good idea or not. And some think it's a terrible idea and post why.

But about the FO knowing what they're doing . . . they're not perfect. Just ask Luis Scola.

[DaBears]

When we are wanting size up front, why would we be going after a undersized fatass. Nothing personal but the guy is 6-9... And according to some stats over 36 minutes his stats suck. I had thought with the addition of RJ ot the team, SA would be an appealing place to play and bring in some more talent...

Not to say my opnion counts but i wouldnt want baby davis as a stater on my team. I'd rather just try to resign Gooden..

[superbigtime]

Just resign Drew Gooden. I'm getting reflux. I just don't see how a fatass nonrebounding big would fit in.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

please God no



Hell no





please God no




:lol at the reaction to Big Baby being like something out of a Godzilla flick.



:lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Davis played really well in the playoffs. He's young, so he's got that going for him, but I'd rather have Dice. Unfortunately, if McDyess is going to contemplate his decision for awhile, the Spurs may have to move on something else.

For some reason I feel like we'll end up trading for a big.

[loveforthegame]

I don't know what to think. He's not a bad option but it seems we already have him on the team in Blair (minus the mid range jumper and playoff experience).

Too much of a knee jerk reaction to sign him just because they lost out on Wallace. Makes you wonder if he wasn't the top target all along.

[Spurs9]

?? That's just ridiculous...you're just drinking the "OH NO, NOT BIG BABY" Kool-Aid. Blair is an unproven PF with no ACLs in his knees...Big Baby is a clutch shooter who has proven he can play in the NBA. Besides...we are going to have Blair also...we drafted him, he's not a free agent.
Clutch?? He hit one fucking lucky shot, and now hes considered clutch? :lmao

[CGD]

I agree with the posters that argue that Davis doesn't fill our need. We need a garbage man down low; not another offensive minded player necessarily. In this vein, I think the Spurs should look at the other Celtic PF, Leon Powe. Powe is a guy I see in the same light as the Rocket's Chuck Hayes.

True, he is recovering from knee surgery, but all indication is that he should be ready to go by the beginning of the season. Powe's rebounding and defense are superior to those of Davis, and it is unlikely that the C's will be able to match offers.

[Muser]

Don't bring your kids to courtside if he signs.

[Duncan2177]

I smell BS i just don't see the spurs signing Big Baby especially using the full MLE on him that's ridiculous, The spurs can do way better like Odom,Varejao,McDysse, or trade for Camby?

[024]

Clutch?? He hit one fucking lucky shot, and now hes considered clutch? :lmao
he actually hit two in that game 4. one around 30 seconds left to give the celtics the lead and another one at the buzzer as the game winner. on the road too. say what you want about his defense and rebounding but his playoff performance was not a fluke. the celtics needed someone to replace garnett's offense and davis stepped up. the celtics were doomed from the start without KG but davis was a warrior in the playoffs.

[Marcus Bryant]

Davis played really well in the playoffs. He's young, so he's got that going for him,

Exactly. Lest we forget how this forum has reacted to playoff chokers in postseasons past. But at least the Spurs won the PER championship...



but I'd rather have Dice. Unfortunately, if McDyess is going to contemplate his decision for awhile, the Spurs may have to move on something else.

Right, or perhaps McDyess has already told them absolutely no.




For some reason I feel like we'll end up trading for a big.

A distinct possibility.

[spurspokesman]

ccccaaaaaammmmmmmmmbbbbbbbyyyyyyy. Go get em.

[DPG21920]

Right, or perhaps McDyess has already told them absolutely no.



.

FWIW, Bucher just reported (via everyones favorite Twitter) that McDyess was still on the Spurs list, "possibly at the top".

[bigdog]

I'll take anyone except Davis. I'd take fucking Mark Bryant before I take Big Baby.

[024]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Glen-Davis-in-San-Antonio-Fine-by-me;_ylt=AsfP7RtNTFsylXXh1Nu3oq68vLYF?urn=nba,17493 9
some analysis on the potential signing. pretty much what we all already know, the spurs would be signing davis for his potential, not defense or rebounding.

[Death In June]

Plenty of other better options on the table that can be had for comparable prices. Bonner, Big Baby, a rookie, and a D-League Ian as Duncan's big man help is going to be disastrous.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

Spurs sign Davis, it ranks up there with releasing Scola for Beno Udrih's kneepads.

Jefferson fell into our lap. We agreed to absorb the albatross contract, that's no coup for RC people.

I can't say I'm impressed with the FO at all this summer.

[Marcus Bryant]

FWIW, Bucher just reported (via everyones favorite Twitter) that McDyess was still on the Spurs list, "possibly at the top".

Good.

[DPG21920]

Most understand that Davis will not be signed for defense. He is not a good defender (no better than Bonner and Tim could not save him).

Baby has some potential, but many feel he cannot be an effective starter with the players the Spurs currently have backing him up. Too many question marks when Tim needs help.

Hopefully this is only one of a few moves to be made if this comes true.

[bigdog]

I hope this move does not come true at all.

[crc21209]

I hope this move does not come true at all.

Damn Adam you've been bashing Big Baby HARD the past 2 days. :lol

[Muser]

Spurs sign Davis, it ranks up there with releasing Scola for Beno Udrih's kneepads.

Jefferson fell into our lap. We agreed to absorb the albatross contract, that's no coup for RC people.

I can't say I'm impressed with the FO at all this summer.


Then you're a very hard person to impress.

[Vic Petro]

I smell BS i just don't see the spurs signing Big Baby especially using the full MLE on him that's ridiculous, The spurs can do way better like Odom,Varejao,McDysse, or trade for Camby?

Realistically, there's little chance the full MLE gets you Odom or Varejao. I don't think signing Big Baby affects a potential Camby trade.

As for McDyess, we just don't know those circumstances. Personally I think he's a better fit than Glen Davis, but it's entirely possible he has ruled out playing for a Western Conference club, or the Spurs particularly, or he thinks black is unlucky...there is no way of knowing.

So, if you look at the remaining big men, who is clearly a better addition than Big Baby? Brandon Bass is certainly debatable (I'd rather have Glen Davis) and Pachulia seems like a better fit but a lesser talent.

Getting an ascending player with proven ability to be a key contributor to a championship team is a positive. I fail to see an attainable alternative that is clearly a better move that this one other than McDyess, and we don't really know how attainable he is/was.

[crc21209]

If the Spurs were unable to land McDyess, I would be happy to have Big Baby Davis and then trade a combo of Bonner and Fin or whatever for Camby. We'd be looking at a crop of big men consisting of: TD, Camby, Blair, Big Baby, and Haislip. Not bad at all..:tu

[HarlemHeat37]

Big Baby is absolutely fine if we get Camby..but we aren't anywhere near a deal with Camby, well at least nothing has been publicized..

[crc21209]

Big Baby is absolutely fine if we get Camby..but we aren't anywhere near a deal with Camby, well at least nothing has been publicized..

CIA :smokin. One can only hope.

[TheProfessor]

I recall people bemoaning the fact that we took Marcus Williams when Davis was on the board in the '07 draft. I really wonder why everyone's flying off the handle at signing him - pretty consistent big off the bench that's performed admirably in the playoffs.

I know we've gone over this ad nauseum already, but people are ready to call this an awful summer when not just days before everyone thought it was the greatest summer the Spurs have had in a long while. Let's see what the Spurs' FO actually does first and then go crazy.

[celldweller]

pretty consistent big off the bench that's performed admirably in the playoffs.

True. But not for our MLE.

[Mugen]

i hate to be a realist, but we are going to sign Big Baby and that'll be the end of our offseason moves.

if it happens, just hope he pans out and that our other young bigs contribute fast.

[TheProfessor]

True. But not for our MLE.
That would be my only qualm. But the other issue is, though, how many years would it be? Certainly not five. Maybe two with a team option for a third? We need to know that info before we can say that this signing wrecks our off-season and future financial flexibility.

[celldweller]

I want to trust our FO during free agency, but this potential signing could set us back a couple of years. Personally I think its all BS, we know the FO is actively seeking a tall big not a wide big. I would of loved Sheed, but lets be honest Pop and the FO are big on Character, not Sheed type character. McDyess on the other hand seems to have "Spurs type character"

[Marcus Bryant]

I recall people bemoaning the fact that we took Marcus Williams when Davis was on the board in the '07 draft. I really wonder why everyone's flying off the handle at signing him - pretty consistent big off the bench that's performed admirably in the playoffs.

I know we've gone over this ad nauseum already, but people are ready to call this an awful summer when not just days before everyone thought it was the greatest summer the Spurs have had in a long while. Let's see what the Spurs' FO actually does first and then go crazy.

Of course, at the time the Spurs had a need for a swingman prospect.

[Summers]

i hate to be a realist, but we are going to sign Big Baby and that'll be the end of our offseason moves.

if it happens, just hope he pans out and that our other young bigs contribute fast.

On the other hand, the Spurs got a lucky break (I think/hope) in the draft. If Pop can whip Davis into shape, Blair's a quick study, and Manu and Ian are healthy this season, the bench is deep and wide. And I still think trading for RJ was a great move. Not a bad off-season.

[mikeb2016]

I recall people bemoaning the fact that we took Marcus Williams when Davis was on the board in the '07 draft. I really wonder why everyone's flying off the handle at signing him - pretty consistent big off the bench that's performed admirably in the playoffs.

I know we've gone over this ad nauseum already, but people are ready to call this an awful summer when not just days before everyone thought it was the greatest summer the Spurs have had in a long while. Let's see what the Spurs' FO actually does first and then go crazy.

Because Big Baby as a secound round draft pick is good value, and most of us who are absolutely disgusted with the potential of having him now would agree that to have him for a minimum contract would be fine. The rumors are that he is getting the full, or close to all, of the MLE, and he is way overvalued at that money, and especially on the heels of us thinking/hoping we were pursuing Wallace/McDyess/(fill in the blank) for this squad. Getting Big Baby now, for 5 mil or more a year is a lot different than getting him 2 years ago for 450k. I wouldn't pay 5 mil for Blair, but for a secound round pick his value is great.

Having Big Baby at the full MLE now, losing out on Wallace, McDyess, and any of the other names that have been floated, is like Ralphie getting a fruit cake (coincidental paralell???) and socks instead of the Red Ryder BB Gun in A Christmas Story. The only way to describe it is an unfulfilling letdown of monumental proportions, and the way I feel is that I would rather have nothing at all than this guy.

At least passing on him now would allow you to pick up whoever that last guy who signs is...there is always one of those value pickups in mid to late August, and if you have your MLE still available, you can almost certainly get that guy (or even wait until mid-season and sign Leon Powe). But Big Baby??? The move wreaks of desperation...

[Mugen]

On the other hand, the Spurs got a lucky break (I think/hope) in the draft. If Pop can whip Davis into shape, Blair's a quick study, and Manu and Ian are healthy this season, the bench is deep and wide. And I still think trading for RJ was a great move. Not a bad off-season.

the acquisition of RJ would still make this a very good offseason.

but the failure to land a legit starting big next to Timmy would still leave many of the problems that were exposed last season.

i think Blair does well and Haislip will become a decent surprise. i'm not sold on Ian yet.

i think we could do a lot better than Big baby, but who knows, maybe he can improve next year as well.

[ohmwrecker]

Please don't let this be true. Do not sign Glenn "Crybaby" Davis. The Celtics beat us in the Sheed sweepstakes so we are going to take their leftover garbage? I really hope there is a trade in the works because the rest of the FA market sucks! Does Antonio McDyess have one more good year left in him? That's a hell of a gamble.

Here's hoping Vinny D will do us a solid and give us Tyrus Thomas for a Bonner or Finley or both. I know . . . wishful thinking.

[ohmwrecker]

Our bench is set. We need a starter. Is Ian plan A? If Pop starts Bonner again I will break into his cellar and smash every bottle of wine in that joint.

[Summers]

I think Ian is going to have a chance to audition for the starting spot. I've been really anxious to see him play.

[Spurs Brazil]

http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay

"As I said it looks Big Baby will be a Spur. He feels he will lose minutes with Rasheed now a Celtic and Grant Hill on the way."

The way he wrote it looks like he talked to Big Baby


He feels he will lose minutes with Rasheed now a Celtic and Grant Hill on the way

So probably Big Baby told him he'll sign with the Spurs

[MrFundamental]

The way he wrote it looks like he talked to Big Baby

So probably Big Baby told him he'll sign with the Spurs
He's a Restricted FA, I don't think he has that much control over who he signs for.

[Strike]

Our bench is set. We need a starter. Is Ian plan A? If Pop starts Bonner again I will break into his cellar and smash every bottle of wine in that joint.

Better make sure it's during the rodeo road trip. Breaking every bottle will take a lot of time.

[Borosai]

Cock.

[TheProfessor]

Of course, at the time the Spurs had a need for a swingman prospect.
Just pointing out the usual message board ADD. I was (maybe sadly) one of the few guys excited to get Williams. Hopefully he'll redeem himself yet.

[Marcus Bryant]

Just pointing out the usual message board ADD. I was (maybe sadly) one of the few guys excited to get Williams. Hopefully he'll redeem himself yet.

Well, I guess that shows the potential folly of drafting for need as opposed to drafting the best player available. Williams may turn into a decent role player at some point in the future. Of course, given how bigmen are valued in the NBA, that should give the edge to a big in the draft...

[ploto]

If his source is Davis, then he could simply be acting as if the Spurs want him to drive up interest.

I know for sure of one former Spur who had friends intentionally spread rumors on message boards about all the teams interested in him that were not.

[Spurs Brazil]

Big Baby update San Antonio and Orlando are talking with Big Baby. The conversations are picking up speed.

http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay

[spursnatic]

Please SPURS don't waste our MLE on Glen Davis?...Why the fuck do we need another BIG body?...Didn't we just draft Blair?...We need a fucking scorer and we could probably get a pretty damn good one with our MLE?....

[HarlemHeat37]

He's a much better fit for Orlando..

[Mugen]

im sure the magic fans are real eager to see Big Baby in Orlando after he mowed down that kid after his shot.

[HarlemHeat37]

LOL..it would definitely be funny..

[K-State Spur]

Big Baby update San Antonio and Orlando are talking with Big Baby. The conversations are picking up speed.

http://twitter.com/Gary_Tanguay

if anybody else has already posed this, i apologize. but since he seems to be hearing it completely from the celtic perspective, if baby and his agent were using the spurs as leverage to get bos/orlando to pony up more, tanguay wouldn't know any better.

the spurs are an easy team to use as leverage this offseason because a) they've already gone on the record as saying that they intend to use their MLE on a big and b) they never confirm or deny anything publicly until they absolutely have to.

hell, pop probably wouldn't mind it a bit if a player did use him as leverage publicly because it would only help him mask his true intentions even more.

[ploto]

Big Baby update San Antonio and Orlando are talking with Big Baby. The conversations are picking up speed.


And supposedly Sheed was meeting with both of them this week, too.

Sounds like Big Baby is telling him all this which, as I said, signifies nothing as to its validity.

[HarlemHeat37]

please Big Baby, use us as leverage!!..

[benefactor]

please Big Baby, use us as leverage!!..
It would actually be a good thing for once...

[td4mvp21]

I'm just hoping the Davis shit is being spread by Davis to up his value or whatever. If the Spurs are really looking to spend the entire MLE on him....