Obama did not misread the economy

[SnakeBoy]

OBAMA: "No, no, no, well I would actually rather than say misread we had incomplete information."

Thank goodness! I feel better about the stimulus now. A second stimulus should do the trick.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Thank goodness! I feel better about the stimulus now. A second stimulus should do the trick.

you accepted that premise for going to war, so what's wrong with it now?

[ChumpDumper]

It's a tricky spot. Obama has been attacked on this board for being too optimistic and too pessimistic about the economy -- often by the same posters.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

whoa whoa whoa. is that actually a complete sentence? looks awfully palinesque. gasp!

[Viva Las Espuelas]

WMD moment?

[SonOfAGun]

The idea that he misread the economy is a complete and blatant lie.

His intention is to grow government, not the economy. Only in government can you misread the situation, spend trillions, and make off like a bandit. What a life.

[SnakeBoy]

Liberal fallback position..."Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! "

[Wild Cobra]

Thank goodness! I feel better about the stimulus now. A second stimulus should do the trick.
No, it will take three or more $1 trillion dollar plus stimulus packages before he can bankrupt this nation and nationalize everything.

[SonOfAGun]

It's a tricky spot. Obama has been attacked on this board for being too optimistic and too pessimistic about the economy -- often by the same posters.

Yes, maybe because it is downright hysterical how freaked out he was about the economy, did a lil' shitulus bill and budget, and is now telling people we are coming out of this when it is all getting worse.

Tricky spot to treat millions like they are all ignorant herd worshipers.

[Bender]

he didn't misread anything, it's just that the previous administration left him a bigger mess than he first thought.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, maybe because it is downright hysterical how freaked out he was about the economy, did a lil' shitulus bill and budget, and is now telling people we are coming out of this when it is all getting worse.

Tricky spot to treat millions like they are all ignorant herd worshipers.So you are saying he didn't freak out enough the first time.

Ok.

Interesting opinion.

[SonOfAGun]

So you are saying he didn't freak out enough the first time.

Ok.

Interesting opinion.

Uh, no.

He pumped up the fear for public support to DO SOMETHING. He did something alright. Used the crisis as an opportunity to push radical agenda.

Now, to comfort his masses, he tells them it is working when in reality there are no signs of recovery and we are months away from a 2nd shitulus bill. Good for him though. With the support he has they all knew he'd get away with it; he will pass a 2nd stimulus bill that will be decent enough for the people to forget there ever was a first. In the meantime he pays off his cronies. Well done, Mr Axlerod. It's only America. It's not like anyone has respect for the old gal anymore in this day and age.

[ChumpDumper]

Radical!

[George Gervin's Afro]

Liberal fallback position..."Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! Bush Bad! "

typical conservtaive being a hypocrite..

[George Gervin's Afro]

Uh, no.

He pumped up the fear for public support to DO SOMETHING. He did something alright. Used the crisis as an opportunity to push radical agenda.

Now, to comfort his masses, he tells them it is working when in reality there are no signs of recovery and we are months away from a 2nd shitulus bill. Good for him though. With the support he has they all knew he'd get away with it; he will pass a 2nd stimulus bill that will be decent enough for the people to forget there ever was a first. In the meantime he pays off his cronies. Well done, Mr Axlerod.

10% of the money has been spent. Aren't you against govt spending?

[Winehole23]

So, the economic hype behind the first stimulus wasn't fearmongering after all. On the contrary, the recession is worse than they thought.

[SonOfAGun]

Worse then they thought. They didn't think bro! That's what I am saying. They do not care how bad it is. They are doing their thing, they have an opportunity to do their thing, they will continue to do their thing.

That's why many people were crying out that there was no common sense behind this shitulus bill, yet Obama, Pelosi, and the patriotic gang marched ahead!


How can any of you intelligent free-thinking individuals on here act like it's all good when Obama and the patriotic gang are burning up shoes trying to get all of these patriotic bills through?????????????

[ChumpDumper]

Uh, no.Uh, yes. That's what you said.

[George Gervin's Afro]

They didn't think bro! That's what I am saying. They do not care how bad it is. They are doing their thing, they have an opportunity to do their thing, they will continue to do their thing.

That's why many people were crying out that there was no common sense behind this shitulus bill, yet Obama, Pelosi, and the patriotic gang marched ahead!

So are you saying now that president shouldn't follow through with his agenda because some people don't agree with it?

[ChumpDumper]

They didn't think bro! That's what I am saying. They do not care how bad it is. They are doing their thing, they have an opportunity to do their thing, they will continue to do their thing.

That's why many people were crying out that there was no common sense behind this shitulus bill, yet Obama, Pelosi, and the patriotic gang marched ahead!So was the economy bad when a stimulus bill was passed under the Bush administration? Was that the proper amount of freakout?

[SonOfAGun]

So are you saying now that president shouldn't follow through with his agenda because some people don't agree with it?

Follow through with it. He won! It's his board game. I'm cool. The strong survive (and thrive) in any system.

[Winehole23]

The strong survive in any system.This is a fallacy. Only the survivors survive.

[Wild Cobra]

typical conservtaive being a hypocrite..
How? Ever time something bad comes about, the democrats are still blaming the former president. How is pointing out the truth, being a hypocrite?

[DarrinS]

I don't mind the concept of an economic stimulus as long as it's not some 1600-page pork-laden piece of shit that nobody even reads.

[ChumpDumper]

How to you know it's a pork laden piece of shit if you didn't read it?

[DarrinS]

How to you know it's a pork laden piece of shit if you didn't read it?


I'll admit that I haven't read it all, but I'll bet I've read more than you.

http://www.readthestimulus.org/

[Viva Las Espuelas]

How to you know it's a pork laden piece of shit if you didn't read it?
no one knew what was in it. it wasn't even produced when they voted on it.


on a side note, how often do you replace worn out "?" buttons?

[ChumpDumper]

no one knew what was in it. it wasn't even produced when they voted on it.So how could they call it a pork laden piece of shit?



on a side note, how often do you replace worn out "?" buttons?They never wear out. I'm pretty easy on computer equipment.

[Wild Cobra]

I take it nobody is willing to disagree with my earlier post:
No, it will take three or more $1 trillion dollar plus stimulus packages before he can bankrupt this nation and nationalize everything.

[ChumpDumper]

I take it nobody is willing to disagree with my earlier post:Given the facts, I disagree.

[DarrinS]

on a side note, how often do you replace worn out "?" buttons?


:lmao


The "?" on that button is completely worn out on Chumpy's keyboard.

[SnakeBoy]

I take it nobody is willing to disagree with my earlier post:

I don't know if $3 trillion more is enough to bankrupt the country. If it did happen I don't think everything would be nationalized. I think the country would move in the opposite direction. Americans wouldn't accept socialism after that.

[ChumpDumper]

How would it be completely worn out if it still works?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Given the facts, I disagree.
you are correct. it might only take two

[Winehole23]

. I think the country would move in the opposite direction. Americans wouldn't accept socialism after that.Why not? We accept a lot of it right now, and Obama was elected to bring us a little more.

[ChumpDumper]

you are correct. it might only take twoNo. It will never happen.

[DarrinS]

How would it be completely worn out if it still works?


Will the keys still work if you paint over the white labels on them?

[ChumpDumper]

Will the keys still work if you paint over the white labels on them?The label is still there on mine and the key does indeed work, so it's another fail for you.

[RandomGuy]

It's a tricky spot. Obama has been attacked on this board for being too optimistic and too pessimistic about the economy -- often by the same posters.

The funny thing to do these days is to watch the Daily Show segments, where they take things that Bush said/did and showed Fox news and company falling all over themselves to agree with him, then showed Obama doing/saying the exact same thing and getting pilloried by the same crowd.

Is there any doubt that no matter what Obama does on any given issue, a fair percentage of the ideologues will criticize it?

[SnakeBoy]

Why not? We accept a lot of it right now, and Obama was elected to bring us a little more.

I really can't give a good answer to that, call it faith.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

you accepted that premise for going to war, so what's wrong with it now?

You all villified Bush on this board for saying that, so why not the same treatment for the Messiah?

Hypocritical, much?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The funny thing to do these days is to watch the Daily Show segments, where they take things that Bush said/did and showed Fox news and company falling all over themselves to agree with him, then showed Obama doing/saying the exact same thing and getting pilloried by the same crowd.

Is there any doubt that no matter what Obama does on any given issue, a fair percentage of the ideologues will criticize it?

Because liberals aren't guilty of the same thing... :rolleyes

Is there any doubt that no matter what happens, liberals will have a breakdown about something that anyone on the right, or anyone at Fox News does, while looking the other way while ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN and the Obama White House do similar?

[coyotes_geek]

The funny thing to do these days is to watch the Daily Show segments, where they take things that Bush said/did and showed Fox news and company falling all over themselves to agree with him, then showed Obama doing/saying the exact same thing and getting pilloried by the same crowd.

Is there any doubt that no matter what Obama does on any given issue, a fair percentage of the ideologues will criticize it?

Does the Daily Show find it funny that Obama is doing the same things as Bush was?

[Yonivore]

I haven't been keeping score in here but, have any Obama supporters expressed their regret for putting that idiot in office?

I know my neighbor pulled off his bumper sticker about a month ago.

[Wild Cobra]

No. It will never happen.

It may never happen, but it sure looks like to me this administration is trying to make it happen.

[Yonivore]

The funny thing to do these days is to watch the Daily Show segments, where they take things that Bush said/did and showed Fox news and company falling all over themselves to agree with him, then showed Obama doing/saying the exact same thing and getting pilloried by the same crowd.

Is there any doubt that no matter what Obama does on any given issue, a fair percentage of the ideologues will criticize it?
He's getting pilloried for the hypocrisy, not for continuing Bush policies he spent his time in the Senate (and on the campaign trail) villifying and voting against.

[jack sommerset]

Lame.... Everyone knows they fucked the stimulus up. Everyone. You won't get the fags like Chump to admit but atleast the VP admitted they fucked up. Props to Biden.:toast

[Yonivore]

Lame.... Everyone knows they fucked the stimulus up. Everyone. You won't get the fags like Chump to admit but atleast the VP admitted they fucked up. Props to Biden.:toast
Trust me, Biden didn't confess on purpose...he just can't shut the fuck up.

[jack sommerset]

no one knew what was in it. it wasn't even produced when they voted on it.


on a side note, how often do you replace worn out "?" buttons?

or how bout roads that lead nowhere and I am not talking about the Ozzy Osbourne song. So much shit in that bill. I saw somewhere they were building a bridge next to a bridge. The old one past all the inspections but they are feeding the much needed money to save the country from another great depression to a second bridge. 3 1/2 more years boys. America is getting feed up.

[Winehole23]

Does the Daily Show find it funny that Obama is doing the same things as Bush was?I'm not sure, c_g, but I'm pretty sure I've seen a Bush/Obama national security send up on The Daily Show.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

No. It will never happen.

what?

another bailout?





you think another bailout is not in our near future?

[angrydude]

As long as everyone still sees this as a Republican v Democrat issue there's nothing we can do about it. The stimulus is just a smokescreen to get attention away from the bailout.

If they were really serious they would just give a million dollars to everyone to go stimulate the economy with. That'll fix it. Watch that GDP soar.

Better yet, ban cash so they can have their negative interest rates.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6531299.ece

[ChumpDumper]

what?

another bailout?





you think another bailout is not in our near future?God damn you are stupid.

[ChumpDumper]

Lame.... Everyone knows they fucked the stimulus up. Everyone. You won't get the fags like Chump to admit but atleast the VP admitted they fucked up. Props to Biden.:toastGod, you love sucking cock.

[LnGrrrR]

I haven't been keeping score in here but, have any Obama supporters expressed their regret for putting that idiot in office?

I know my neighbor pulled off his bumper sticker about a month ago.

Not really, because I think McCain and Palin would have been much worse.

I'm disappointed in a great number of things he's done, though.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

God damn you are stupid.
you're the one that thinks another bailout isn't coming.

[ChumpDumper]

That wasn't what was said.

That's why you are stupid.

[Wild Cobra]

Not really, because I think McCain and Palin would have been much worse.

I'm disappointed in a great number of things he's done, though.
What amazes me is that McCain became the republican nominee. He never stood a snowballs chance in hell, until he picked Palin. I do not believe he would have been worse. But he is too damn liberal for us conservative.

[Winehole23]

What amazes me is that McCain became the republican nominee. He never stood a snowballs chance in hell, until he picked Palin.Win presidential primary>choose vp> GOP convention.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, someone much more conservative would have won.

[jack sommerset]

God, I love sucking cock.

Fixed

[ChumpDumper]

God, I love sucking cock.What a fag drama queen you are.

Go suck more cock.

[jack sommerset]

I am fag drama queen .

I'm going to suck more cock.

fixed

[ChumpDumper]

I am fag drama queen .

I'm going to suck more cock.Fixed.

[Winehole23]

http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ehanover.productions/monty.jpg

[jman3000]

He should take heat for this. Instead of rushing the stimulus package, they should have taken their time and did things right.

From the get go they said that this problem would take years to fix and it wouldn't be easy. If they knew from the start that the recovery was going to take a long time, they shouldn't have put forth such a strung out bill.

I'm not gonna bitch about pig research or turtle roads, because in all honesty one mans trash is another man's treasure, but I definitely don't see justification for a lot of things in there.

[ChumpDumper]

Eh, pork happens regardless. We'll see what happens when the infrastructure projects in the states get going.

[DarrinS]

He should take heat for this. Instead of rushing the stimulus package, they should have taken their time and did things right.

From the get go they said that this problem would take years to fix and it wouldn't be easy. If they knew from the start that the recovery was going to take a long time, they shouldn't have put forth such a strung out bill.

I'm not gonna bitch about pig research or turtle roads, because in all honesty one mans trash is another man's treasure, but I definitely don't see justification for a lot of things in there.


DING DING DING DING! We have a winner.

Seriously, I don't know why they keep rushing shit like this through congress. It's too important. Maybe they're afraid of someone will actually read the legislation. I also don't like 300+ page ammendments slapped on to bills at 3 a.m. in Pelosi's office. WTF is up with that?

[DarrinS]

Eh, pork happens regardless. We'll see what happens when the infrastructure projects in the states get going.



Pssst. Civil service jobs don't stimulate our economy.

[ChumpDumper]

Pssst. Civil service jobs don't stimulate our economy.Pssst. You don't know what you're talking about.

As usual.

[DarrinS]

Pssst. You don't know what you're talking about.

As usual.


44,073 meaningless posts and counting.

[ChumpDumper]

44,073 meaningless posts and counting.No, it's very meaningful to tell you you don't know what you are talking about if you only open your eyes and ears.

[jman3000]

There should have been specific goals, specific efficiencies in mind, and specific timetables.

It felt more like they put a whole bunch of money in a slop bucket, splashed it in the trough, yelled out "soowee" and walked away.

Perhaps more input from state/municipal level administrators (I know senators and congressman are supposed to be that... but I think they're more interested in politics than what's actually good for an area). Obama spoke so much of treating the economy with a scalpel as opposed to McCain's hatchet... but a hatchet is exactly what we got.

[ChumpDumper]

It felt more like they put a whole bunch of money in a slop bucket, splashed it in the trough, yelled out "soowee" and walked away.That is normal government function.

[jman3000]

That is normal government function.

I realize this, but the circumstances called for something other than "normal government function".

Isn't that what Obama was about? Changing the status quo?

As citizens I think we deserve better than "normal government function".

I want "exceptional government function"... if such a phrase even exists.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think government is capable or set up to do that. There isn't really a set formula for that kind of stimulus, and nothing has ever stopped unrelated spending or other crap from getting into large bills.

[Wild Cobra]

Win presidential primary>choose vp> GOP convention.
Right...

Open primaries where democrats voted also.

I really doubt he would have been the winner if only republicans could vote for a republican in the primaries.

[jman3000]

Right...

Open primaries where democrats voted also.

I really doubt he would have been the winner if only republicans could vote for a republican in the primaries.

Huckabee would have been absolutely annihilated in a national election... plus he most likely wouldn't have picked Palin as a running mate.

Romney I'm not so sure of what would have happened... but I'd assume that even more of the moderate vote would have gone to Obama since Romney was more to the right than McCain.

People say that McCain was such a horrible candidate because he was not a real conservative... but he was the most electable out of the bunch for exactly that reason.

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah, someone much more conservative would have won.

It would have been tough for anyone with an R next to their name but there is a script that must be followed for any presidential candidate to have a chance. Win over the base then move to the center to grab independents. It's the standard tactic that works. It's what Obama did. McCain never had the base. Palin helped get some of them but not enough obviously. Without her, he would have been stomped much worse.

Did you see his speech at cpac after he won the nomination. It was, let's say, awkward.

Lf2Sekjex7I

This wasn't the only time he was booed during the speech. They were even booing when he was being introduced. You can't win without the base. It's not suprising democrats are encouraging the GOP to run another moderate in 2012.

[Winehole23]

People say that McCain was such a horrible candidate because he was not a real conservative... but he was the most electable out of the bunch for exactly that reason.Bingo.

Iff the decisive votes are in the middle, as everyone likes to say.

[SnakeBoy]

Iff the decisive votes are in the middle, as everyone likes to say.

The decisive votes are only in the middle if you have the base.

[Wild Cobra]

The decisive votes are only in the middle if you have the base.
That's just it. McCain never had the base, until Palin came along.

[Winehole23]

An able rejoinder, SnakeBoy. :tu

[Winehole23]

*When Palin came along, erstwhile and future republicans in the middle bolted for Obama...or lost heart entirely*

[coyotes_geek]

The decisive votes are only in the middle if you have the base.

McCain had the base. They may not have liked him, but they'd have held their nose and voted for him even if he had named another moderate as his VP. All Palin did was make the base feel better about the choice that they would have made anyways.

[SonOfAGun]

I refused to vote for McCain.

Base this mf'er. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

An able rejoinder, SnakeBoy. :tu

I could probably do better but I'm trying to figure out a bug that has my bosses freaking out.

[Wild Cobra]

McCain had the base. They may not have liked him, but they'd have held their nose and voted for him even if he had named another moderate as his VP. All Palin did was make the base feel better about the choice that they would have made anyways.
Not true. I voted for McCain. I did not vote for senator Gordon Smith. I voted for Mickey, Pluto, or someone else. I spoiled my vote, because I was not going to vote for Smith, the RINO. I voted for Palin, and likely would have spoiled that vote if he had a different running mate. You can bet, there were countless other people who did the same thing, or stayed home and didn't vote.

[coyotes_geek]

I refused to vote for McCain.

Base this mf'er. :lol

So McCain could have picked someone more appealing to moderates without risking losing your vote.

We're in the same boat though, because I refused to vote for either of those ass clowns too.

[SnakeBoy]

McCain had the base. They may not have liked him, but they'd have held their nose and voted for him even if he had named another moderate as his VP. All Palin did was make the base feel better about the choice that they would have made anyways.

Despite the increased democratic turnout the overall turnout for the election only increased 1% from 2004. Some held their noses and voted for him, many didn't even show up.

[Nbadan]

Despite the increased democratic turnout the overall turnout for the election only increased 1% from 2004. Some held their noses and voted for him, many didn't even show up.

minus a few million Diebold-added votes from the 04 election...

[George Gervin's Afro]

That's just it. McCain never had the base, until Palin came along.

And then Palinn chased away the independents and moderates..