The Problem with this "czar" form of...

[Yonivore]

...government is that President Obama is putting people in charge of vast segments of our executive without any Congressional advice or consent.

Take, for instance, his "Science Czar," Paul Holdren:

A book (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=171479486&searchurl=bi%3D0%26bx%3Doff%26ds%3D30%26isbn%3D071 6700298%26sortby%3D2%26sts%3Dt%26x%3D39%26y%3D14) he co-authored in 1977 advocates forced abortion and mass sterilization as means to control planet population and save the world.

Some blogger at "zombietime.com (http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/)" has done the work the mainstream media, once again, refuses to do. At the link are scans from the book.

I know, I know; some of you are going to claim the excerpts are all faked up for the allegation but, a used book dealer search for the ISBN shown on the back cover does indeed turn up a book that appears substantially identical to the one Zombie claims to have taken the scans from.

Click here for: ABE ISBN book search (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&isbn=0716700298&sortby=2&sts=t&x=39&y=14).
Click here for: Alibris ISBN book search (http://www.alibris.com/booksearch.detail?invid=9889680504&isbn=9780716700296&qsort=p&page=1).

I can see where Justice Ginsburg got the idea (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/magazine/12ginsburg-t.html).

So, unless there is a conspiracy here "so vast" that it includes planting forged copies of a fake book with used book dealers around the planet, and altering the ISBN database accordingly, then its pretty clear that the book in question does exist. Galileo and 9/11 truthers will probably believe in this "vast conspiracy" of book dealers though, since you know...in the history of the world, fire has never melted steel.

Precisely how many of the President's appointments, requiring Senate confirmation, are still pending? Why does he need all these "czars?"

[SonOfAGun]

This is why Newt needs to run for president, strictly for the ownage he would accomplish on the debate stage. Baggage be damned.

"Obama will soon realize you cannot just name something to solve the problem"
"More bureaucracy, nothing new here."

[Marcus Bryant]

A book he co-authored in 1977 advocates forced abortion and mass sterilization as means to control planet population and save the world.

That seems to be a recurring theme.

[ChumpDumper]

So which of these policies is being enacted right now?

[mookie2001]

Socialism

[ChumpDumper]

There's an article about him on prisonplanet.com too if you want to know the company you now keep.

[Ignignokt]

At one point or another, all news sources will at one point will have been used to prop prison planet's agenda, so i dont't see the use of any source from that source as a case in point of credibility.

[ChumpDumper]

If a poster's agenda is pretty much identical to that of prisonplanet, it is noteworthy.

[mookie2001]

like when you said you didnt like ron paul because "nutjobs" and racists supported him

[Ignignokt]

If a poster's agenda is pretty much identical to that of prisonplanet, it is noteworthy.

true, but we've have all entertained thoughts at one point that have been alex jones's.

What the guy stated is true, damn the source.

[ChumpDumper]

like when you said you didnt like ron paul because "nutjobs" and racists supported him More like I like some of what Ron Paul says, but he doesn't have a chance in hell of being elected president because so many nutjobs and racists support him.

[mookie2001]

who wouldve thought racists would support the bill of rights

[Ignignokt]

period.

[ChumpDumper]

true, but we've have all entertained thoughts at one point that have been alex jones's.

What the guy stated is true, damn the source.So again, I will ask -- what does that actually mean now, 30 years later? Which of these policies are actually in the works?

[Ignignokt]

rather, question mark?

[ChumpDumper]

who wouldve thought racists would support the bill of rightsThey might or might not -- the two can be mutually exclusive.

I'm sorry I was right about Paul. Perhaps he should have worked harder to do things like take his name off the newsletter he says he has nothing to do with, etc.

[Ignignokt]

So again, I will ask -- what does that actually mean now, 30 years later? Which of these policies are actually in the works?

it's only been six months, i guess some can afford to wait and see, but i'm pretty sure there will be some spin on how to defend any of the oncoming agenda.

[Ignignokt]

They might or might not -- the two can be mutually exclusive.

I'm sorry I was right about Paul. Perhaps he should have worked harder to do things like take his name off the newsletter he says he has nothing to do with, etc.

and that's what probably did him in, if he would have gone a step further like Obama did with Rev Wright, he might have reached more people.

[ChumpDumper]

i guess some can afford to wait and seeCan you?

[ChumpDumper]

and that's what probably did him in, if he would have gone a step further like Obama did with Rev Wright, he might have reached more people.I'm not sure how sincere this was, but it's actually very true.

[Yonivore]

If a poster's agenda is pretty much identical to that of prisonplanet, it is noteworthy.
Hey, did he co-author a book advocating forced abortion and mass sterilization or not?

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, is that the now official policy or not?

[Johnson]

Hey, did he co-author a book advocating forced abortion and mass sterilization or not?

Hey, is that the now official policy or not?

the first question involves a Yes or No answer period. chump avoiding the question.

what diff if it's the policy now or not? The point is Did he co-author the book or not, Yes or No?

[ChumpDumper]

Looks like yes. I believe it.

It doesn't matter to you if a eugenics policy is enacted?

Yes or no?

[ChumpDumper]

Precisely how many of the President's appointments, requiring Senate confirmation, are still pending?i'm sure you didn't actually want an answer to this question, but....


As of May 31, only 151 of the 1,100-plus Senate-confirmable positions had in fact been confirmed by the Senate.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/15/obama-nominees-delayed/

I'll try to find something more recent -- or maybe you should since you are so curious about it.

[ElNono]

This is what happens when you pal around with terrorists... :jack

[ChumpDumper]

I thought I remembered this name.
...government is that President Obama is putting people in charge of vast segments of our executive without any Congressional advice or consent.

Take, for instance, his "Science Czar," Paul Holdren:NOMINATIONS CONFIRMED (CIVILIAN)


The following civilian Executive Nominations were confirmed by the Senate during the current congress. Nominations flagged with an asterisk were approved subject to the nominee's commitment to respond to requests
to appear and testify before any duly constituted committee of the Senate.

March 19, 2009

PN65-7 * EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT
John P. Holdren, of Massachusetts, to be Director of the Office of Science and
Technology Policy.

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/one_item_and_teasers/nom_confc.htm

So there actually was congressional advice and consent.

Hearings.

A vote.

A confirmation.

Even though he wrote the book.

[ChumpDumper]

BTW, Yoni added his lie to the Ace of Spades blog.

Zombietime: Obama "science czar" is a totalitarian crank
As they say you gotta go read it all.

I'll add a bit more to Zombie's "proof". Some may claim the book being cited is all faked up for the scans, HOWEVER, a used book dealer search for the ISBN shown on the back cover does indeed turn up a book that appears substantially identical to the one Zombie claims to have taken the scans from.

Click here for: ABE ISBN book search.
Click here for: Alibris ISBN book search.

So, unless there is a conspiracy here "so vast" that it includes planting forged copies of a fake book with used book dealers around the planet, and altering the ISBN database accordingly, then its pretty clear that the book in question does exist. Trig and 9/11 truthers will probably believe in this "vast conspiracy" of book dealers though, since you know...in the history of the world, fire has never melted steel.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=289550

We all know you lie about writing things yourself.

Tell me Yoni, did you just make up that lie about confirmation all by yourself?

Yes or no.

[mookie2001]

where can i click for the book search?

[ChumpDumper]

You can find those links in the actual blog post.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=289550

I didn't go through the trouble of copying all the links and pretending I wrote it.

My apologies.

[mookie2001]

all i got is vibrating condoms shit

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

link duly edited.

[sabar]

Cool, quotes taken out of context. How is this different from posting a page out of a philosophy book that talks about infanticide or a page from an economics book talking about socialism? It's a chapter about population policy, of course it is going to have things like that in it. Have you even read a textbook before? :lol

It is possible you have a legitimate complaint somewhere, but this alleged evidence is nothing.

[Wild Cobra]

The problem I have is this.

How can a man with such stupid ideas, and wildly wrong predictions be considered by any one with intelligence?

[antimvp]

czar comes from the word kaiser.....kaiser is the correct enunciation, in latin, of caeser.


that should tell you something.

[exstatic]

czar comes from the word kaiser.....kaiser is the correct enunciation, in latin, of caeser.


that should tell you something.

So should the fact that this '________Czar' shit started with the GOP, specifically, their failed war on drugs.

[ChumpDumper]

The problem I have is this.

How can a man with such stupid ideas, and wildly wrong predictions be considered by any one with intelligence?Yoni is a dumbass -- I agree with that completely.

[Wild Cobra]

The problem I have is this.

How can a man with such stupid ideas, and wildly wrong predictions be considered by any one with intelligence?Yoni is a dumbass -- I agree with that completely.
I think everyone but you was smart enough to know I meant Holdren.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Didn't brownie run a horse farm before leading fema? Talk about questioning a president's judgement..:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

Didn't brownie run a horse farm before leading fema? Talk about questioning a president's judgment..:lmao
Idiot. He did several other things. I'm not going to bother listing them. If you wish to remain a horses ass, don't look it up.

[ChumpDumper]

I think everyone but you was smart enough to know I meant Holdren.i think everyone but you was smart enough to know I was being sarcastic.


Idiot. He did several other things. I'm not going to bother listing them. If you wish to remain a horses ass, don't look it up.Are we going to include the stuff he lied about on his resume too?

[Calavera]

czar comes from ceaser, after the separation of the Roman empire, the eastern roman empire (byzantium) had his ruler named czar, after that most of the orthodox and slav countries in easter europe started claiming their countries to be czardomes same like kingdom. King=czar. I`ve heard of Kaiser only for the german people and the austrians. And for the record czar like the king and ceaser and etc is the highest position in the country.

If I was american I would vote with my two hands for Ron Paul! :)

[ChumpDumper]

If I was american I would vote with my two hands for Ron Paul! :)His appointees would have to be confirmed by the Senate too.