Modern Warfare 2 multiplayer

[iggypop123]

its finally out. wow i cannot wait.

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[traitoravery]

Holy Fuck!!!

[ManuTP9]

thats fucking sick man

[symple19]

Hell muthaphuckin yeah!!!!! Can't wait!!!

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Damn, that looks nice.

[Duncanonu]

doesn't it come out in like november?

[BlackSwordsMan]

yup, november
looks fucking awesome

[z0sa]

it looks remarkably similar to cod 4, other than more advanced graphics and shooting recon planes out of the sky.

[balli]

it looks remarkably similar to cod 4, other than more advanced graphics and shooting recon planes out of the sky.
Maybe that's because it's, y'know, a direct sequel to cod 4. Other than more advanced graphics and new gameplay features, plenty of which haven't been revealed, what did you expect? A complete overhaul of what the franchise is?

Oh and BTW, did you see what knocked WaW off the #2 slot on XBL?
http://majornelson.com/archive/2009/07/28/live-activity-for-week-of-july-20th.aspx
So much for longevity...

[Xolotl]

I'm just excited they're lowering the power on the M16 down...that gun is f'n sick in COD4

[z0sa]

Maybe that's because it's, y'know, a direct sequel to cod 4. Other than more advanced graphics and new gameplay features, plenty of which haven't been revealed, what did you expect? A complete overhaul of what the franchise is?

Oh and BTW, did you see what knocked WaW off the #2 slot on XBL?
http://majornelson.com/archive/2009/07/28/live-activity-for-week-of-july-20th.aspx
So much for longevity...

i owe someone a dollar ...

btw sticking at the top for such a long time over cod 4 more than proves my point ... if the game sucked compared to 4, then it wouldn't have stayed over it for months straight (i'm presuming it did).


btw, this: "Other than more advanced graphics and new gameplay features, plenty of which haven't been revealed, what did you expect? A complete overhaul of what the franchise is?" is so fucking ironic. I basically said the same thing about WaW to you when we compared 4 to WaW, excepting they didn't need to overhaul even the graphics because it was entirely "new" (for the cod 4 engine) era to work in and the graphics are great anyway. You responded with some philosophical bullshit about how you can't support Treyarch by essentially giving me the exact opposite response of what I quoted up there. You're a moron. You can't support a game you know you'd love because its developers didn't bring enough "new" to the table, but you can support this one without a second thought regardless of how repackaged the "new" is ... and just because you like the original's developers - what kind of fucked up logic is that?

[Slydragon]

:worthy:

[Cry Havoc]

i owe someone a dollar ...

btw sticking at the top for such a long time over cod 4 more than proves my point ... if the game sucked compared to 4, then it wouldn't have stayed over it for months straight (i'm presuming it did).


btw, this: "Other than more advanced graphics and new gameplay features, plenty of which haven't been revealed, what did you expect? A complete overhaul of what the franchise is?" is so fucking ironic. I basically said the same thing about WaW to you when we compared 4 to WaW, excepting they didn't need to overhaul even the graphics because it was entirely "new" (for the cod 4 engine) era to work in and the graphics are great anyway. You responded with some philosophical bullshit about how you can't support Treyarch by essentially giving me the exact opposite response of what I quoted up there. You're a moron. You can't support a game you know you'd love because its developers didn't bring enough "new" to the table, but you can support this one without a second thought regardless of how repackaged the "new" is ... and just because you like the original's developers - what kind of fucked up logic is that?

First of all, I haven't (and probably most others as well have not) said that WaW sucked. I admitted openly that it's a good game.

However, there are plenty of reasons to pick CoD4 over WaW. For starters, the WWII thing has been beaten to death. The weapon loadout in CoD4 is unarguably more balanced (although not perfect) than WaW. There are spawn problems in WaW, resulting in much more frequently being shot from behind in the middle of a battle.

I actually prefer CoD4's graphics to WaW. Although not 100% of the time, I think CoD4 looks more detailed, and I enjoy the environments more.

Also from my experience there is far more support on PC for CoD4 in terms of enhancements. The server I play on now has over 80 maps running, nearly all of them custom.

Plus, I just like the newer weapons and kill rewards (UAV, air strike, chopper), though of course that's a personal preference.

[Xolotl]

First of all, I haven't (and probably most others as well have not) said that WaW sucked. I admitted openly that it's a good game.

However, there are plenty of reasons to pick CoD4 over WaW. For starters, the WWII thing has been beaten to death. The weapon loadout in CoD4 is unarguably more balanced (although not perfect) than WaW. There are spawn problems in WaW, resulting in much more frequently being shot from behind in the middle of a battle.

I actually prefer CoD4's graphics to WaW. Although not 100% of the time, I think CoD4 looks more detailed, and I enjoy the environments more.

Also from my experience there is far more support on PC for CoD4 in terms of enhancements. The server I play on now has over 80 maps running, nearly all of them custom.

Plus, I just like the newer weapons and kill rewards (UAV, air strike, chopper), though of course that's a personal preference.

Well said....WaW is a good game, but people camping the tanks gets really annoying...I just get tired of tanks period

[z0sa]

all I have to say is for the uav/airstrike/chopper thing CoD 4....

uav is the same as WaW, airstrike is unbalanced as fuck compared to an artillery which requires you to actually predict player movement, and WaW's dogs are much more balanced than choppers. None of these points are really even debatable.

the airstrike in 4 just destroys you without even giving you a chance to move ... a well placed airstrike is pretty much unstoppable. Compare that to the artillery in WaW. It has about a 10 second delay before the first one hits. The entire barrage, from that first shell, takes about 10-15 seconds. The airstrike in 4 takes right around 5 seconds to begin (the guy is just barely done announcing it when it begins) and is done within 5 seconds with the same amount of attacks. It just fucks too big of an area up too fast IMO.

The dogs, well that's really simple: the chopper you can easily hide from if you get in one place/building and don't move (makes for bad gameplay), but how many times have you been killed by a chopper from those stupid weird angles through a crack separating 3 buildings? And destroying choppers isn't that hard if they get really low around even one smart person with an RPG, but they're impossible at any sort of range. Dogs, totally different story. They come in a couple waves and spread out, getting to the unsuspecting and the campers in cracks/corners. But that's not all. If you're attackign all the time like I am, a helicopter doesn't do a whole lot for you on the other side of the map. More oftne than not, dogs will keep an enemy occupied, leaving you wide open to kill them. You can show up completely undetected and murder multiple people behind someone else's dogs. Dogs speedily run far and wide, often doing damage but not killing their prey - making it easier for you to kill them, and making the enemies much more hesitant to attack or even forcing them to crowd into an area. The dogs are great.

BUT, the dogs are also pretty stupid and easily killed with a couple shots from your weapon or even pistol, or one knife which is often the case.

[z0sa]

Well said....WaW is a good game, but people camping the tanks gets really annoying...I just get tired of tanks period

satchel charges.
plus, tank control is a most important part of the maps they're on. A couple people on your team must control tanks. If your team sucks and can't do this simple task, or fails miserably at driving, I don't know why you're complaining about tanks. Its your team that is failing you.

[Xolotl]

satchel charges.
plus, tank control is a most important part of the maps they're on. A couple people on your team must control tanks. If your team sucks and can't do this simple task, or fails miserably at driving, I don't know why you're complaining about tanks. Its your team that is failing you.

I'm not saying they're impossible to take out. I just wish 2 rpgs or whatever to the backside destroyed it. Just like it used to in the older CoD games. And it's especially a pain in the ass when people are off doing their own thing paying no mind while tanks rape the team. so it's a mixture of stupid ass players and a game mechanic I never missed. Guess that's how it works when you don't play with a set group heh

[iggypop123]

well i play hardcore. those dogs are unstopable. while playing hardcore war we were in overtime or sudden death. i saved my artillery used it and got 8 people. its just timing. dogs got about another 6

[z0sa]

I'm not saying they're impossible to take out. I just wish 2 rpgs or whatever to the backside destroyed it. Just like it used to in the older CoD games. And it's especially a pain in the ass when people are off doing their own thing paying no mind while tanks rape the team. so it's a mixture of stupid ass players and a game mechanic I never missed. Guess that's how it works when you don't play with a set group heh

Two satchel charges will destroy a tank. Just get both in the same area underneathe the tank. I am a tank whore at times, I admit, and when I am there's nothing I fear more than somebody getting close and satchel charging me. Even if you don't get destroyed, the tank is almost through.

And the set group thing, yeah. its a team game, so when the team doesn't play like a team, the team loses and mostly everyone gets raped. If the shit starts hitting the fan, I usually hole up in a house and wait out what I can. You can usually get easy popshots if you have a bunch of dipshit teammates, too. Stay away from most of them in a guardable place, the closer to the enemy the better. It usually takes a while before the enemy to adjust their plans and make a concerted effort to root one person out if they are getting easyish kills elsewhere.

[xellos88330]

I think I just got an erection.

[Cry Havoc]

all I have to say is for the uav/airstrike/chopper thing CoD 4....

uav is the same as WaW, airstrike is unbalanced as fuck compared to an artillery which requires you to actually predict player movement, and WaW's dogs are much more balanced than choppers. None of these points are really even debatable.

What are you talking about? I've dodged an airstrike hundreds of times that were right on me (I could see the explosions about 5 feet away). You have to get down.

If you're in a building you're immune to airstrikes. If you're underground or in a narrow alley, you usually won't be hit. And airstrikes only hit one specific section of the map.


the airstrike in 4 just destroys you without even giving you a chance to move ... a well placed airstrike is pretty much unstoppable.

Strange. I dodge airstrikes all the time. If you're in a building, you're practically invulnerable to one.


Compare that to the artillery in WaW. It has about a 10 second delay before the first one hits. The entire barrage, from that first shell, takes about 10-15 seconds. The airstrike in 4 takes right around 5 seconds to begin (the guy is just barely done announcing it when it begins) and is done within 5 seconds with the same amount of attacks. It just fucks too big of an area up too fast IMO.

The damage area of an airstrike is really not that huge.


The dogs, well that's really simple: the chopper you can easily hide from if you get in one place/building and don't move (makes for bad gameplay), but how many times have you been killed by a chopper from those stupid weird angles through a crack separating 3 buildings?

You're kind of contradicting yourself here.



And destroying choppers isn't that hard if they get really low around even one smart person with an RPG, but they're impossible at any sort of range.

Again, you're kind of pointing out how the chopper has a lot of balance in it. They're powerful, but easily shot down.


Dogs, totally different story. They come in a couple waves and spread out, getting to the unsuspecting and the campers in cracks/corners. But that's not all. If you're attackign all the time like I am, a helicopter doesn't do a whole lot for you on the other side of the map. More oftne than not, dogs will keep an enemy occupied, leaving you wide open to kill them. You can show up completely undetected and murder multiple people behind someone else's dogs. Dogs speedily run far and wide, often doing damage but not killing their prey - making it easier for you to kill them, and making the enemies much more hesitant to attack or even forcing them to crowd into an area. The dogs are great.

BUT, the dogs are also pretty stupid and easily killed with a couple shots from your weapon or even pistol, or one knife which is often the case.

I find dogs to be FAR more unbalanced than a chopper. The dogs can put you in a position where you are going to die no matter what you do. That happens sometimes with a chopper, but if you play it right you can usually get out. Dogs -- hell, a newbie who gets lucky in an early round can end up 16-0 with a decent set of dogs. You can sit back and let them eat people. The chopper is relatively easily shot down, so you have to SUPPORT it and watch for any rapidly firing RPDs or M60s.

I guess I don't understand your position. You claim the airstrike is unbalanced because it can wipe a whole map out.... but it doesn't, unless you're playing shipment or something equally tiny. And you say the chopper is unbalanced but then go on to state how easily it's shot down.

[Cry Havoc]

Two satchel charges will destroy a tank. Just get both in the same area underneathe the tank. I am a tank whore at times, I admit, and when I am there's nothing I fear more than somebody getting close and satchel charging me. Even if you don't get destroyed, the tank is almost through.

But it's so freaking easy to get kills with the tank. Who cares if you die by a satchel charge when you've already got 6 kills? That's better than you can do most of the time by moving around going for standard rifle kills. And if you don't get hit by charges, you're almost unstoppable. There's very little balance at all to it.

[iggypop123]

dude tanks in hardcore omg they were beasts. i heard they took em out. if true thank god. i suck and i had a 20 kill streak on a tank. some go for 30. another thing is the grenade launcher from spawn in search and destroy. disabled that too. that was annoying. 2 seconds and you are down. of course the idiot with martyrdom finishes off the rest of the team

[z0sa]

What are you talking about? I've dodged an airstrike hundreds of times that were right on me (I could see the explosions about 5 feet away). You have to get down.

I'm comparing the two; besides, my main focus was the time amounts - the airstrike hits you so fast, unless you're already in or around cover, youre fucked which was my entire point. In a match with generally good players, airstrikes are overpowered.


If you're in a building you're immune to airstrikes.

refer to above. its the same with artillery. Difference is, artillery requires you to not only know where the enemy is, but predict where they're about to be running since they just heard the artillery announcement.


If you're underground or in a narrow alley, you usually won't be hit.

Refer above. I am not comparing where you can get hit, I'm comparing how quickly the attacks of an airstrike occur compared to an artillery, which takes a while for its barrage to even complete.


And airstrikes only hit one specific section of the map.

same with artillery ... I never, ever implied or said they took out the whole map or something ... I said for being a near instant strafing, they shouldn't take out such a large area and with so many bombs in such a short time. Again, I don't believe its even a debatable issue. The airstrike is too easy.


Strange. I dodge airstrikes all the time.

cool. :rolleyes


If you're in a building, you're practically invulnerable to one.

Same with artillery.




The damage area of an airstrike is really not that huge.

It's about the same as artillery. The point I made was that the amount of destruction in such a short time makes it too powerful. Its no prediction skills, just a UAV will get you kills with an airstrike. An artillery takes about twice as long to start and same to finish.




You're kind of contradicting yourself here.

No





Again, you're kind of pointing out how the chopper has a lot of balance in it. They're powerful, but easily shot down.

Choppers aren't powerful, first off. Like I said, you can camp in a dark corner and generally never be seen by one. Which is stupid - because some guy got 7 kills in a row, I have to hide? Second, the chopper gets too many "bullshit" kills through those tiny cracks - the gunner or pilot can't see shit through a 1inch crack 150 feet directly below them. Third, the chopper doesn't systematically hunt people out. It rotates around the map - and is therefore, easily avoided by people.

I'm actully saying the opposite. The chopper is bullshit and sucks. it doesn't help the person who called it get any kills (IMO what the streak bonuses should be about, not getting kills for you). It doesn't stay in the same area if it is getting kills. Balance wise, sure it is easily shot down from close range, but it spends most of the time above the sky. It could have been a lot better and it just doesn't hold a candle in any issue to dogs.




I find dogs to be FAR more unbalanced than a chopper. The dogs can put you in a position where you are going to die no matter what you do.

By them killing you, or by the enemy team killing you? Because that's what the 7streak was supposed to be about IMO, and Treyarch pulled it off right. The dogs distracting you is perfect balance, rather than the helicopter forcing you to camp and gaying you through three windows.


That happens sometimes with a chopper, but if you play it right you can usually get out.

Of course that never happens with choppers. They float around, don't affect most games much, and the games they do are filled with newbies. Next.


Dogs -- hell, a newbie who gets lucky in an early round can end up 16-0 with a decent set of dogs. You can sit back and let them eat people.

If the opposing team is sorry or doesn't stick together to cover each other from dogs. Enemy dogs require you to band together, watch each other's ass, and stay alert. They're easily killed. You can kill every dog that comes at you and not get hurt 10x easier than the chopper.


The chopper is relatively easily shot down, so you have to SUPPORT it and watch for any rapidly firing RPDs or M60s.

The chopper doesn't even do much. It gays up the battle field is what it does. Makes for less entertaining gameplay on both sides. The only person happy is the person who called it, because he might get a couple free newbie/situation (rare) kills.


I guess I don't understand your position. You claim the airstrike is unbalanced because it can wipe a whole map out....

:lol I never said that.


And you say the chopper is unbalanced but then go on to state how easily it's shot down.

And? By unbalanced, you immediately think I mean 'overpowered?' LOL. I've modded/coded FPS and RTS into total conversions before. I consider myself an expert on balance. The chopper is pretty much the epitome of what I wouldn't want for a reward to a streak, the dogs is what I would. Distract instead of kill, spread out and affect the enemy wherever they're at, and if they're stupid, okay kill them.

[balli]

Zosa, you're being dumb. By comparison WaW is a shit game for morons. A cash-making ploy by Activision and those talentless hacks over at Treyarch to get you to shell out for a lower quality WW2 skin of CoD 4. Quit defending it.

[z0sa]

Zosa, you're being dumb. By comparison WaW is a shit game for morons. A cash-making ploy by Activision and those talentless hacks over at Treyarch to get you to shell out for a lower quality WW2 skin of CoD 4. Quit defending it.

fuck treyarch and infinity ward ... stop worrying about whose pockets you're filling and just play the damn game.

[Trainwreck2100]

fuck treyarch and infinity ward ... stop worrying about whose pockets you're filling and just play the damn game.

why would you say fuck infiniti ward, they have talent and only bring their games out once every two years

[z0sa]

why would you say fuck infiniti ward, they have talent and only bring their games out once every two years

IW only has 3 games out, and they are only cod games ... I'm pretty sure someone like Balli who apparently worships them, is the worst type of fanboy you can get. They have no diversity, just one series they've cashed in on. They couldn't even get 5 new maps out for their best selling/most popular entry, and one of the all-time most popular games ever. What the fuck is so great about them that you can't love a clone of everything great about their game redone in a different era of war from another developer?

[Trainwreck2100]

IW only has 3 games out, and they are only cod games ... I'm pretty sure someone like Balli who apparently worships them, is the worst type of fanboy you can get. They have no diversity, just one series they've cashed in on. They couldn't even get 2 map packs out for their best selling game/most popular, and one of the all-time most popular, ever. What the fuck is so great about them that you can't love a clone of everything great about their game from another developer?

the problem isn't that its a clone the problem is that its a crappy clone

[z0sa]

and, the final thing I have to say: nazi zombies is worth playing waw over 4. With Nazi Zombies, you can mix it up to play waw online all day and never get bored.

[jman3000]

I wish they wuold have added destrctible environments. Looks good graphically... probably 15 or 20% better.

I might pick it up in the Spring for the SP campaign... I'm not a fan of the MP that much.

[symple19]

Well said....WaW is a good game, but people camping the tanks gets really annoying...I just get tired of tanks period
find a better server that doesn't have tanks genius

[symple19]

play HC on WaW on a server with no tanks, and it's a beautiful thing. WaW better all day long...period.

On a related note, which servers do you guys play WaW on? I'm in Cali so I'm usually on -X- clan servers playing CTF or WAR mode, both are HC with no tanks or noob tubes. Would love to frag(or team up with) some fellow Spurstalk posters.
BTW I play on PC!!!!!!

[resistanze]

lol waw

[z0sa]

lol waw

lol still playing a 2 year old game with no DLC when there's another game in the series with tons of DLC and new everything

[resistanze]

lol 2 year old game with no DLC still more popular than another game in the series with tons of DLC and new everything

lol waw

[iggypop123]

yeah and waw has those elevation glithces. on hardcore some become unstoppable because no killcam. the one in outskirts is so easy to do

[z0sa]

lol 2 year old game with no DLC still more popular than another game in the series with tons of DLC and new everything

lol waw

it knocked it off for a week totaled up. Over the past 6 months, waw has been far more popular.

[LnGrrrR]

I just am tired of WWII shooters. For that reason, I like CoD4 better.

[Cry Havoc]

it knocked it off for a week totaled up. Over the past 6 months, waw has been far more popular.

On Xbox live, you mean.

lol console fps

[MaNuMaNiAc]

On Xbox live, you mean.

lol console fps

whoever plays an fps game on console doesn't know shit about how to properly play an fps. Period.

[z0sa]

whoever plays an fps game on console doesn't know shit about how to properly play an fps. Period.

:rolleyes okay. So anybody whose ever played on console, even the ones who know PC is better, don't know shit about how to properly play an FPS.

Sounds like you just can't kill anybody with sticks as opposed to a mouse.

[Cry Havoc]

:rolleyes okay. So anybody whose ever played on console, even the ones who know PC is better, don't know shit about how to properly play an FPS.


No. I just am relatively certain that a very good team of 3 players with M+K could take out a team of 10 "elite" console players. There is just no comparing the accuracy between the two. If I played with a mouse on Xbox live, I'm certain that aside from the smaller maps where it's insane chaos, I could maintain a 6 or 7 to 1 K : D ratio, minimum. I have watched my half-brother play, and while he is very good in his own right and regularly goes 3:1 - 4:1 in online matches, watching him play on 360 is very similar to watching someone run in molasses. Everything on 360 is slower. Aiming, moving, reactions, timing, precision nade placement. I'm not saying it's necessarily a reflection on anyone's gaming ability, however I would annihilate him if we were playing console vs. PC. There is a quality to CoD4 on PC which makes it soooo much more visceral, blindingly fast, and absolutely superb. When I can pull someone up in my G3 sights from all the way across the map, and within a 1/10th of a second have my irons directly on them... it just doesn't get any better than that.


Sounds like you just can't kill anybody with sticks as opposed to a mouse.

The analogy you're making here is kind of like ridiculing someone for not being able to race a Ford Pinto around a track very well because they are used to driving Ferraris and race prepped Le Mans cars.

[z0sa]

The analogy you're making here is kind of like ridiculing someone for not being able to race a Ford Pinto around a track very well because they are used to driving Ferraris and race prepped Le Mans cars.

wow, talk about blowing mouse and keyboard out of proportion. it's definitely superior, but I own just fine with both. I'm assuming neither of you feel that's possible, but it is.

[Cry Havoc]

wow, talk about blowing mouse and keyboard out of proportion. it's definitely superior, but I own just fine with both. I'm assuming neither of you feel that's possible, but it is.

Oh, you can absolutely be good with both. There's no doubt in my mind about that.

But if you went to an elite server on PC with a 360 gamepad and tried to play, you'd be lucky to even approach a 1:2 KD ratio. And that's if it was a map favorable to melee combat.

And no, the difference is that massive. It's not even comparable.

[z0sa]

I much pretty much disagree with everything you said, Havoc. Running in molasses? its the same speeds, same guns, same everything. Only real differences are your machine and the controller if you're talking purely gameplay.

The pinto/ferrari analogy is extremely far off.

[z0sa]

But if you went to an elite server on PC with a 360 gamepad and tried to play, you'd be lucky to even approach a 1:2 KD ratio. And that's if it was a map favorable to melee combat.

And no, the difference is that massive. It's not even comparable.

all opinion, though you state it as fact. Disagree 100%. I've detailed why PC FPS makes for a much richer experience - but the hunks of plastic in your hands are only a small part of that.

Not only that, I'd be willing to bet on a favorable kill death if I could use a controller vs m+kb, if it truly was an 'elite' server. When one can rely on his teammates heavily, the kills just rack up; its more about outaiming your enemy than outsmarting them, because they will be occupied with others. When a couple friends and I play waw (on 360 obviously) me and the best one routinely get 30+ kills without any tanks. We literally score entire matches worth at times. I daresay that would translate.

[Cry Havoc]

I much pretty much disagree with everything you said, Havoc. Running in molasses? its the same speeds, same guns, same everything. Only real differences are your machine and the controller if you're talking purely gameplay.

The pinto/ferrari analogy is extremely far off.

Obviously it's the same game.

But the speed at which corners can be turned, the aiming strategy involved in making transitions between sprint > strafe > jump + swivel around a corner > duck > aim at specific locations where campers might be is all much more clunky. The amount of simultaneous keys that can be entered with precision is an advantage that is impossible to compensate with. The simple ability with a mouse to look from place to place to place with faultless precision is something you are never going to be able to argue in favor of the 360.

Put it to you this way: A standard mouse has a DPI in the range of 400. That alone is far more detail than can EVER be resolved from a joystick's limited range of motion.

Bump it up to a gaming mouse like the DeathAdder (2000 dpi), and you're talking precision that's so far ahead of a joystick, it's not even worth debating any longer. I think you're wrong, you don't, and that's that.

[z0sa]

Obviously it's the same game.

But the speed at which corners can be turned, the aiming strategy involved in making transitions between sprint > strafe > jump + swivel around a corner > duck > aim at specific locations where campers might be is all much more clunky. The amount of simultaneous keys that can be entered with precision is an advantage that is impossible to compensate with. The simple ability with a mouse to look from place to place to place with faultless precision is something you are never going to be able to argue in favor of the 360.

Put it to you this way: A standard mouse has a DPI in the range of 400. That alone is far more detail than can EVER be resolved from a joystick's limited range of motion.

Bump it up to a gaming mouse like the DeathAdder (2000 dpi), and you're talking precision that's so far ahead of a joystick, it's not even worth debating any longer. I think you're wrong, you don't, and that's that.

Semantics. If you can't use the corded mouse that came with your PC to own people, you suck. End of story. Spending $250 on an incredible mouse and keyboard does the same for your gaming skills as a $2500 Gibson ES-335 does for your guitar playing.

And I've gone over the problems with the controller, and recently. i know you read them. The mouse and keyboard is superior, but the difference isn't such that you shouldn't even play the game if its on console. I can vouch for it.

[Cry Havoc]

Semantics. If you can't use the corded mouse that came with your PC to own people, you suck. End of story. Spending $250 on an incredible mouse and keyboard does the same for your gaming skills as a $2500 Gibson ES-335 does for your guitar playing.

Right, but in good hands a fantastically made guitar can really sound amazing. Same with a mouse. When my G5 broke I had to wait to get a new gaming mouse shipped, and for a while used an old IBM optical 3 button mouse. I still did fine, though there were moments when I would have perhaps had a couple more kills with a better mouse. If nothing else, the movement and tracking is smoother.


And I've gone over the problems with the controller, and recently. i know you read them. The mouse and keyboard is superior, but the difference isn't such that you shouldn't even play the game if its on console. I can vouch for it.

No no, I agree with you on the last part. The game is obviously still enjoyable on a console. If it wasn't, there would be a lot of unhappy gamers out there.

[z0sa]

Havoc, I dunno why were arguing. I really think the mouse/keyboard is superior, as in unquestionably, gotta be out of your right mind to disagree better and by a good margin. But I don't think it is the difference in a great k:d. That's practice, skill, and intelligence.

[Trainwreck2100]

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Some spec ops, the damge screen looks cool

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single player leaked footage mini uzi appears to be coming back

[Trainwreck2100]

also one of the new perks was revealed by accident its called akimbo and its dual wield


Akimbo is limited and balanced, just like EVERYTHING in the game. It's limited to sidearms, harder to aim than standard and you can't go ADS (aim down sights) since you have a weapon in each hand; Among other balancing techniques, so don't freak out before you see it in action.
there appears to be no zombie terrorists in this installment

Remember Treyarch banging on about how Modern Warfare's multiplayer was so good that it influenced World at War? Well, Infinity Ward won't be returning the favour.

"We're not taking any pages out of World at War's book," said Infinity Ward's Robert Bowling in an interview with GamerZines.

"We're crafting a special and unique experience for Modern Warfare 2 players that I don't want to spoil too much."

But will Infinity Ward outdo Treyarch's 65 rank cap? That's something Bowling isn't yet prepared to talk about.

Definitive numbers like max level cap, complete weapon lists, and number of new perks is something I don't want to ruin and save for when the player ranks up and sees they're constantly receiving new rewards for it, whether that's a new weapon, perk, killstreak unlock, or item for their callsign."

The animosity between the two studios is no secret. Last year Bowling called out for the media to stop interviewing World at War's Senior Producer Noah Heller, asking them instead to talk to someone who "knows what the f**ck they're talking about", before calling him a "Senior Super Douche".

"You didn't work on previous Call of Dutys," Bowling said publicly to Heller, "so don't talk as if you're down with how / why things were designed the way they were. Second, you're completely f*****g wrong."

Ouch.

Modern Warfare 2 launches worldwide on November 10th on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC. It'll probably be better than Call of Duty: World at War.
http://www.gamerzines.com/ps3/news/infinity-ward-treyarch-mw2.html
it appears i'm not the only one with disdain for treyarch

[z0sa]

also one of the new perks was revealed by accident its called akimbo and its dual wield


there appears to be no zombie terrorists in this installment

http://www.gamerzines.com/ps3/news/infinity-ward-treyarch-mw2.html
it appears i'm not the only one with disdain for treyarch

:lmao i'm not sure i've ever seen such a butthurt developer. They cashed in on 4 and get mad because people want to interview the producer of the next installment instead of them many months later. wow, what a butthurt dumbshit. 4 is old news, its been hashed and rehashed by the media over and over and again. and there wasn't shit else to hash after release except one fair map pack. that game doesn't even have co-op. the reporters and writers have jobs to keep. new content, different modes = new stories. its even more retarded because all treyarch goes on about is how good they thought 4 was and how they wanted to build on that greatness and this is how IW responds? omg, i'm literally laughing. MW2 better be real fucking good with how arrogant this stupid son of a bitch is acting. it's not even competition, its the same goddamn series ffs.

[balli]

They cashed in on 4 and get mad because people want to interview the producer of the next installment instead of them many months later. wow, what a butthurt dumbshit.
What the fuck ever. They got mad because Noah Heller was running his mouth about how much better WaW was than CoD 4, and generally using completely untrue claims about Cod 2 and 4 as his evidence.

Hence, Infinity Ward saying that the guy, "didn't know what the fuck he was talking about," which he didn't.

lol shitass treyarch. lol shitass WaW. lol fans of the unoriginal, entirely money driven, under-talented, b-team, plagiarist developer.

[z0sa]

lol shitass treyarch. lol shitass WaW. lol fans of the unoriginal, entirely money driven, under-talented, b-team, plagiarist developer.

WaW is better than cod 4. I absolutely love both games and its just obvious. All you motherfuckers have played the game two hours, couldn't handle the weapons, and chalked it up to sucking because you dislike Treyarch. Or you don't like WW2. I mean, its that simple. I never denied the game is unoriginal, but its also an improvement on the formula with much better maps in MP plus NZ obviously, which is impossible not to like if you like FPS. And what the fuck are you talking CoD 2? IW developed that IIRC. Get IW's dick out of your mouth for a second so you can actually see what they've done and haven't done.

[Cry Havoc]

WaW is better than cod 4. I absolutely love both games and its just obvious. All you motherfuckers have played the game two hours, couldn't handle the weapons, and chalked it up to sucking because you dislike Treyarch. And what the fuck are you talking CoD 2? IW developed that IIRC. Get IW's dick out of your mouth for a second so you can actually see what they've done and haven't done.

:lmao

Says the guy who won't man up and play on PC because he'll get his ass handed to him.

[z0sa]

:lmao

Says the guy who won't man up and play on PC because he'll get his ass handed to him.

my pc won't run the game, arrogant bastard. Besides the fact I don't have another $40 to shell on an old game I already own on xbox 360.

and my skill level is very fucking high, thank you very much. balli, add me anytime z0sa and I will gladly team up with or against you in 4 and demonstrate my abilities and knowledge of the game.

[balli]

what the fuck are you talking CoD 2? IW developed that IIRC.
Stupid Zosa. Read my post. Like I said, Noah Heller, the PR guy at Treyarch, went out and made up lies about CoD 2 and 4, both of which were developed by IW.

You claim IW didn't want Treyarch talking to the media. That's not true at all.

What they didn't want is Treyarch drawing comparisons between the games while using inaccurate information to do it.

But Treyarch basically made a lower quality skin of IW's design, then went out and used false information to talk shit about about IW's games while pumping up their own.

What a joke of a studio.

[z0sa]

Stupid Zosa. Read my post. Like I said, Noah Heller, the PR guy at Treyarch, went out and made up lies about CoD 2 and 4, both of which were developed by IW.

You claim IW didn't want Treyarch talking to the media. That's not true at all.

What they didn't want is Treyarch drawing comparisons between the games while using inaccurate information to do it.

But Treyarch basically made a lower quality skin of IW's design, then went out and used false information to talk shit about about IW's games while pumping up their own.

What a joke of a studio.

fine.

[balli]

Did you guys know that in WaW, there are only reload/firing animations for a portion of the guns?

Treyarch was too lazy and cheap to develop more, so their guns share animations. Sometimes it's horrendous; characters pump the non-pump action shotgun. And some of the guns that reload from the top have animations as if the clips were on the bottom.

It's hard to imagine a studio being that lazy and incompetent, especially when all they had to do was barely write more than a skin, but hey, that's Treyarch. lol.

[z0sa]

Did you guys know that in WaW, there are only reload/firing animations for a portion of the guns?

Treyarch was too lazy and cheap to develop more, so their guns share animations. Sometimes it's horrendous; characters pump the non-pump action shotgun. And some of the guns that reload from the top have animations as if the clips were on the bottom.

It's hard to imagine a studio being that lazy and incompetent, especially when all they had to do was barely write more than a skin, but hey, that's Treyarch. lol.

You win, okay? I take no joy in being ridiculed endlessly, regardless of my stance. It's such a dead topic. I don't any preference for Treyarch. If I had to pick a studio, it'd most definitely be IW. And I look forward to MW2.

[Cry Havoc]

my pc won't run the game, arrogant bastard. Besides the fact I don't have another $40 to shell on an old game I already own on xbox 360.

and my skill level is very fucking high, thank you very much. balli, add me anytime z0sa and I will gladly team up with or against you in 4 and demonstrate my abilities and knowledge of the game.

I never insulted YOUR skill level, as I'm sure you're very competent when you play.

You're the one shit-talking about how "we gave up after two hours because we couldn't handle the weapons". As if there is some massive difference between the guns in WaW and CoD4 that requires an entirely new strategy to aim with. :lol

[z0sa]

I never insulted YOUR skill level, as I'm sure you're very competent when you play.

You're the one shit-talking about how "we gave up after two hours because we couldn't handle the weapons". As if there is some massive difference between the guns in WaW and CoD4 that requires an entirely new strategy to aim with. :lol

well Havoc, I'm honestly just confused. There's no other explanation I can think of, besides a general disdain for WW2 era weaponry or scenery. It's a near exact replica of MW in that time period, with lengthy campaign/co-op and an addictive 'horde' mode plus halo 3 like 'cards' to discover to increase the difficulty of the sp/coop, along with IMO much better maps (i actually believe this to be undebatable, but whatever). None of these things existed in MW. Why is it worse? Because they didn't use enough reload animations? Jesus christ man.

[ATRAIN]

WaW is better than cod 4. I absolutely love both games and its just obvious. All you motherfuckers have played the game two hours, couldn't handle the weapons, and chalked it up to sucking because you dislike Treyarch. Or you don't like WW2. I mean, its that simple. I never denied the game is unoriginal, but its also an improvement on the formula with much better maps in MP plus NZ obviously, which is impossible not to like if you like FPS. And what the fuck are you talking CoD 2? IW developed that IIRC. Get IW's dick out of your mouth for a second so you can actually see what they've done and haven't done.

WaW sucks compared to COD4. WaW is only good for zombies bottom line. COD4 is a better campaign and multiplayer blows WaW out of the water. MW2 is going to shit on both games so there!

/end thread

[Bandwagon Spurs Fan]

MW2 is going to shit on both games so there!
/end thread

Something everyone should agree with

[balli]

Speaking of which, this isn't MP, but new footage leaked...

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[IronMexican]

Something everyone should agree with

BUMP doesn't have a 360, though. Next time we talk to him, lets lol at him.

[Trainwreck2100]

Speaking of which, this isn't MP, but new footage leaked...

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i posted that yesterday

[Trainwreck2100]

Hans Zimmer is doing the score for this game, after 117 movies, its his video game debut

[koriwhat]

you're the man z0sa!

[z0sa]

you're the man z0sa!

QFT :lol

[iggypop123]

new mutiplayer footage tuesday!

[Trainwreck2100]

Hans Zimmer is doing the score for this game, after 117 movies, its his video game debut

how am i the only one psyced for this

[z0sa]

how am i the only one psyced for this

There should be a total lack of music during realistic and other types of FPS other than menues and beginning/ends of missions

[Trainwreck2100]

There should be a total lack of music during realistic and other types of FPS other than menues and beginning/ends of missions

did you even watch the video balli posted

[z0sa]

did you even watch the video balli posted

yep

what shitty sound quality there is was absolutely ruined by the run of the mill bravado orchestration. thanks for nothing, hans

[sabar]

There should be a total lack of music during realistic and other types of FPS other than menues and beginning/ends of missions

I'd prefer the solution where you turn the music off in some sort of sound options menu.

Realism != Fun

War sucks ass, that's why there's adrenaline pumping music, respawns, and guns/explosions that don't cause you to go deaf after a few hours of firing them.

[Cry Havoc]

Retracted.

[z0sa]

:lmao

And you say CoD4 fans/Infinity Ward are butthurt. Wow. :lmao I've never seen someone critiquing demos recorded from a movie camera for "bad sound".

:lmao

wtf? The point of the joke, which it clearly was, was that the shitty sound quality might actually have been passable if there wasn't a ton of cinema-like orchestration occurring the entire time.

dude, i'm trying real hard not to insult or offend you since you unignored me. Gimme a fuckin break already. My response did NOT deserve yours.

[z0sa]

I'd prefer the solution where you turn the music off in some sort of sound options menu.

Realism != Fun

War sucks ass, that's why there's adrenaline pumping music, respawns, and guns/explosions that don't cause you to go deaf after a few hours of firing them.

I guess I agree with this sentiment. Personally, I can't stand any sort of music when I'm playing. I'm listening intently for footsteps and enemy gunfire and even the lowest ambient music gets in the way of that.

and no one cares, but I've been playing a lot of 4 lately (after about 9 days PT of WaW, lol). the trailers and leaked footage got me excited about modern weaponry again. if you got it on 360 and play still add me z0sa.

[Cry Havoc]

wtf? The point of the joke, which it clearly was, was that the shitty sound quality might actually have been passable if there wasn't a ton of cinema-like orchestration occurring the entire time.

dude, i'm trying real hard not to insult or offend you since you unignored me. Gimme a fuckin break already. My response did NOT deserve yours.

Ah, I actually didn't know it was a joke. My bad.

[SAtown]

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Looks better in HD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmodernwarfare2forum.net%2Fnew-uncut-mw2-gamplay-footage-flagrunner-t169.html&feature=player_embedded

[IronMexican]

Man, I really didn't even like 4 and I am starting to get a bit excited for this game.

[iggypop123]

is it wrong if the vid gave me and orgasm?

[Trainwreck2100]

new mp5 looks sweet

[z0sa]

new mp5 looks sweet

i'm curious if there will be any new (from 4) weapons or any type of experimental weapon. While no doubt the case is made that MW2 wants to be wholly realistic, I find it hard to believe you can have "contemporary" modern warfare without experimental weapons.

[Trainwreck2100]

i didn't recognize that first weapon he had

[balli]

While no doubt the case is made that MW2 wants to be wholly realistic
The case is made that MW2 wants to be authentic and entertaining, but not a sim; in their own words.

And there are a ton of new weapons. I'm pretty sure the gun in the vid was the Bushmaster ACR, which in the real world is just now being released for military application and public purchase.

[z0sa]

The case is made that MW2 wants to be authentic and entertaining, but not a sim; in their own words.

would you find experimental weaponry to be authentic and entertaining?

[balli]

What do you even mean experimental weaponry? Completely designed, real-world guns that are currently in some sort of testing phase? Prototypes of guns that are 10 years away from production? Made up guns conceived by IW themselves? Laser rifles? I mean, what's an experimental gun? Guns either exist, or they don't. What IW doesn't need to do is start making shit up so they can bring us weaponry based on the idea of some obscure future technology.

[z0sa]

What do you even mean experimental weaponry? Completely designed, real-world guns that are currently in some sort of testing phase? Prototypes of guns that are 10 years away from production? Made up guns conceived by IW themselves? Laser rifles? I mean, what's an experimental gun? Guns either exist, or they don't. What IW doesn't need to do is start making shit up so they can bring us weaponry based on the idea of some obscure future technology.

we don't have to talk gunpowder and lead when talking experimental weaponry.

its just an idea. while nothing in your post says it straight out, you seem annoyed someone would even consider the idea - i mean, laser rifles? c'mon now, that's nowhere near being part of active military use. advances in technology over the enemy are the difference between victory and defeat through all of history, though. since we're talking 'modern warfare,' theoretical advances should be at least represented in some way IMO. Especially since they just sold me a $60 game 2 years ago with most of today's most popular weaponry. I don't want to pay $60 for an updated engine.

and why do you think you're some expert on what IW doesn't need to do? They can do whatever they wish. It'd be oversight to not even consider near-future advances in warfare.

[balli]

Zosa, I've seen the confirmed guns list and it has all kinds of weaponry, all sorts of it, from the 21st century. The TDI Kriss- a prototype, not on the market. The ACR- just now being released to the military. A ton of others. What is that if not a consideration of near-future advances in warfare?


We don't have to talk gunpowder and lead when talking about experimental weaponry
GMAFB, you wanna shoot plasma or some lame ass shit? Go play Halo.

I still don't know WTF you mean by experimental weaponry.

And lol at anybody who's followed the MW2 vids and bitches about paying $60 for an "updated engine" of a 2.5 year old cod4. Especially when that person happily threw down $60, a year ago, for the downgraded skin of the same engine.

[Trainwreck2100]

Zosa, I've seen the confirmed guns list and it has all kinds of weaponry, all sorts of it, from the 21st century. The TDI Kriss- a prototype, not on the market. The ACR- just now being released to the military. A ton of others. What is that if not a consideration of near-future advances in warfare?


GMAFB, you wanna shoot plasma or some lame ass shit? Go play Halo.

I still don't know WTF you mean by experimental weaponry.

And lol at anybody who's followed the MW2 vids and bitches about paying $60 for an "updated engine" of a 2.5 year old cod4. Especially when that person happily threw down $60, a year ago, for the downgraded skin of the same engine.

but that one had NAZI ZOMBIES whoopdie fucking do

[z0sa]

Zosa, I've seen the confirmed guns list and it has all kinds of weaponry, all sorts of it, from the 21st century. The TDI Kriss- a prototype, not on the market. The ACR- just now being released to the military. A ton of others. What is that if not a "consideration of near-future advances in warfare"?

oh cool. thanks for simply answering my question and not being a dick about it. Tool.



GMAFB, you wanna shoot plasma or some lame ass shit? Go play Halo.

you always got something stuck up your ass?




I still don't know WTF you mean by experimental weaponry.

Me either. Hence why I am curious to see what they implement, if anything. Don't try to comprehend things in a non-defensive, normal manner or anything.


And lol at anybody who's followed the MW2 vids and bitches about paying $60 for an "updated engine" of a 2.5 year old cod4.

Hey, I haven't been overplaying it day and night this entire time like you have. I moved on to greener pastures. 4 and even WaW don't do much for me anymore. What I need is some new blood, new ideas. Hopefully there's much more destructive environments, for instance. Or experimental weaponry. Or vehicles and/or larger, less symmetrical maps. Diversity, friend. And it still makes me LOL at you to see how mindlessly you have eaten every bit of info about MW2 while still preaching your "downgraded skin" talk about WaW. MW2 looks about 10% different than MW, discounting updated gfx which shouldn't even be factored in. No great leap forward that you have demanded time and time again from WaW, which in fact was a step forward for WW2 games in the same vein MW was for modern warfare games. Not original core concepts, but original for a WW2 game. And I like WW2 games.

I even told you before "you win" with the waw talk. Yet you persist. GFY, bro. I like the game more and think its better, you don't. Get along or don't go at all.

[z0sa]

but that one had NAZI ZOMBIES whoopdie fucking do

4 nazi zombie maps to be exact, and nine new maps as opposed to 3 or 4 new MW maps you can't even filter out to play exclusively. I basically paid 10 bucks for maps I got to play 1-2% of the total time I played MW. They weren't even that good, nor are the rest of the original multiplayer maps except Crash which is a godly map.

[DarkReign]

4 nazi zombie maps to be exact, and nine new maps as opposed to 3 or 4 new MW maps you can't even filter out to play exclusively. I basically paid 10 bucks for maps I got to play 1-2% of the total time I played MW. They weren't even that good, nor are the rest of the original multiplayer maps except Crash which is a godly map.

Thatsa' why we'a playa' on da' PC! Itsa' fo' freeeeeeeeee!

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/images/s/super_mario_bros-12823.jpg

[z0sa]

Thatsa' why we'a playa' on da' PC! Itsa' fo' freeeeeeeeee!

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/pics/images/s/super_mario_bros-12823.jpg

:lol thx I needed that.

I'm seriously considering updating the GFX card on my PC for MW2. I really want to participate in leagues again and be able to do all the little things like record/playback demos and save my best scores.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol thx I needed that.

I'm seriously considering updating the GFX card on my PC for MW2. I really want to be able to use a mouse to shoot people instead of fumbling around with a clumsy joystick.

:toast

[z0sa]

:toast

For sho'. When mouse posted that topic about old games, a lot of my own quake/cs/original call of duty memories came rushing back to the surface - all played with mouse (the item, not the troll) and keyboard.

[Trainwreck2100]

Here's a wiki i found with the guns for MW2

The shotgun attachment to rifles is still rumored but would be cool. Also i look forward to using the Raptor busting Spas 12

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/Modern_Warfare_2

[balli]

^ :tu

[Trainwreck2100]

there might be maybe a new multiplayer reveal tommorow

[Trainwreck2100]

there might be maybe a new multiplayer reveal tommorow

-UAV is still the reward for 3 kills. 4 kills gives you a care package, giving you a random reward
-5 kills gives you a remote contol missile, controlled via a lapto
-Players can unlock emblems, a bit like in SF4. "If you're really into riot shields, you'll unlock a lot of riot shield titles." Opponents will see these in games.
-Shotguns can have silencers! Oh my....
-New feature.... Deathstreaks. Once you die a few times, a perk kicks in. "Copycat", for example, lets you steal an opponent's class setup once they've killed you four times.


New perk called 'Bling' gives you two primary weapon attachments.


Perks including Scavenger (resupply from dead enemy), Hardline (killstreak for 1 less kill)

(blue vulture icon seen in 1st gameplay vid. )

Equipment:

Frag
Semtex
Throwing knife
Tactical Insertion (choose where you spawn)
Blast shield

Secondary Weapon:

Machine pistols
Shotguns
Handguns
Launchers

Postgame accolades:

http://i31.tinypic.com/35hgu9g.jpg

you're welcome

[Shaolin-Style]

I really dig throwing knives.

Hopefully theres some good emblems for them.

[LnGrrrR]

However, there are plenty of reasons to pick CoD4 over WaW. For starters, the WWII thing has been beaten to death. The weapon loadout in CoD4 is unarguably more balanced (although not perfect) than WaW. There are spawn problems in WaW, resulting in much more frequently being shot from behind in the middle of a battle.


This x141264427247858792

[LnGrrrR]

Can't wait to play akimbo. I do that all the time in arcades... grab an old Area 51 game, put coins in both slots, and go John Woo. Fun as hell.

[ATRAIN]

-UAV is still the reward for 3 kills. 4 kills gives you a care package, giving you a random reward
-5 kills gives you a remote contol missile, controlled via a lapto
-Players can unlock emblems, a bit like in SF4. "If you're really into riot shields, you'll unlock a lot of riot shield titles." Opponents will see these in games.
-Shotguns can have silencers! Oh my....
-New feature.... Deathstreaks. Once you die a few times, a perk kicks in. "Copycat", for example, lets you steal an opponent's class setup once they've killed you four times.


New perk called 'Bling' gives you two primary weapon attachments.


Perks including Scavenger (resupply from dead enemy), Hardline (killstreak for 1 less kill)

(blue vulture icon seen in 1st gameplay vid. )

Equipment:

Frag
Semtex
Throwing knife
Tactical Insertion (choose where you spawn)
Blast shield

Secondary Weapon:

Machine pistols
Shotguns
Handguns
Launchers

Postgame accolades:

http://i31.tinypic.com/35hgu9g.jpg

you're welcome


HELL YES!!!

TW sorry about my whiney teamates lol. One of them bitches ALL THE TIME!!!

[jman3000]

Can't wait to play akimbo. I do that all the time in arcades... grab an old Area 51 game, put coins in both slots, and go John Woo. Fun as hell.

:tu

I used to do that at the movie theatre with House of the Dead. I always thought I looked bad ass until I realized it was a bit dorky.

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.gametrailers.com/game/modern-warfare-2/11043


5 new multiplayer videos

once again you're welcome

highrise gameplay 2 shows the remote control rocket in action

and the army rangers fight the spetznaz

[z0sa]

what the fuck do you want thanks for?

[Trainwreck2100]

if you have to ask there's no point in explaining

[iggypop123]

shotgun is a secondary weapon. haha bye bye handgun im going with a silenced shotty. now if they ever reveal the silenced sniper wow. looks like ill be using the ac 130 perk

[Cry Havoc]

shotgun is a secondary weapon. haha bye bye handgun im going with a silenced shotty. now if they ever reveal the silenced sniper wow. looks like ill be using the ac 130 perk

Meh. In hardcore mode I'll still take a pistol, since two shots are usually enough to get a kill and the pistol will still be more accurate past 10 feet.

[Trainwreck2100]

that marathon perk he was using is infinite sprint btw

[z0sa]

if you have to ask there's no point in explaining

explaining what? how to google?

[z0sa]

Meh. In hardcore mode I'll still take a pistol, since two shots are usually enough to get a kill and the pistol will still be more accurate past 10 feet.

unless there's a glaring balance flaw, i'll be doing the same. shotguns aren't great secondary weapons unless its a short rnage map - which is when you'd want a shottie as your primary.

[Trainwreck2100]

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The entire first level

[evi11emons]

This game is gonna be amazing

[koriwhat]

jKwaOg7RYPo


The entire first level

awesome! i can't wait.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Im going to spend a shit load of money in november
L4D2,AC2,MW2 Hardened edition

[xellos88330]

I am going to crush everyone here in MW2. MUAHAA!!!

[PM5K]

Im going to spend a shit load of money in november
L4D2,AC2,MW2 Hardened edition

And I hope some in October...

[Trainwreck2100]

-
Postgame accolades:

http://i31.tinypic.com/35hgu9g.jpg

you're welcome
Here's some of the accolades


Unstoppable: Longest killstreak
Devastation: Highest multikill
Clutch Player: Match Winning Kill
Overkill: Most kills/Most headshots
Supernatural: Kill/Death ratio over 10
Decimator: Killed entire enemy team without dying
Top Gun: Most Airstrikes
Blindfire: Most bullet penetration kills
Hot Potato: Most grenades thrown back
Rescuer: Most rescues
Marksman: Most longshots
Upriser: Most kills of higher rank
Genocidal: Most multikills
Sniper: Most stationary kills
Unbreakable: Most bullets deflected
Switchblade: Most knife kills
Fragger: Most frag grenade kills
Grenadier: Most grenade kills
Symtex Pro: Most symtex kills
CQB: Most SMG kills
Buckshot: Most shotgun kills
Smoking Gun: Most pistol headshots
Boomstick: Most shotgun headshots
Survivalist: Most equipment kills
Exterminator: Most thumper kills
Sprayer: Most hipfire kills
Nomad: Longest distance traveled
Loaner: Most kills with enemy weapons
Sneaker: Most time spent crouched
Grassy Knoll: Most time spent prone
Weapon Rack: Most weapon swaps
High Command: Highest average altitude
Grudge Match: Most kills of same player
Evolver: Most classes changed
Accident prone: Most suicides
Terminal: Shortest life
AFK: No kills/No deaths
Bomb Expert: Most bombs planted
Bomb blocker: Most bomb carrier kills
Dominator: Most points captured
Flag Capturer: Most flags captured
Flag Returner: Most flags returned
Double Threat: Most kills as flag carrier
Flanker: Most kills from behind

From Twitter:

@fourzerotwo Have grenade physics or blast range been altered? I don't see how someone can throw a grenade over 3 buildings!?

@GibsonD90 Grenades actually HAVE physics now. Before they did not, so they'll react realistically to the environment and world around them.

@fourzerotwo Since there is snow maps now, will there be any snow ghillie suits?

@Heirek Ohh yeah. Unique ghillie suits for each environment. Not only that, but enemy snipers look different than friendly snipers. #MW2

@fourzerotwo how do you destroy a sentry gun? with a gun or explosives?

@DevilDogNick A sentry gun can be destroyed by anything, best tactic is to flank it, get up behind, and give it a knife to the circuity


Fuck yes they're fixing the grenades
Also monster dropped the ball on the release date for DLC
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/103/1030166p1.html

[Trainwreck2100]

why they got to blow up america

[balli]

why they got to blow up america

lol I knew parts of the game would take place on American soil, but I wasn't expecting that shit. Crazy.

[Trainwreck2100]

iw's site crashed

[MaNuMaNiAc]

When is MW2 coming out?

[balli]

11-10-09

[Trainwreck2100]

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/14281102/call-of-duty-6/videos/mw2_int_joel_101509.html

interview about spec ops

[TwAnKiEs]

HKjHDwuJJ1I

man I cant wait

[Trainwreck2100]

http://www.team-dignitas.org/esports.php?id=9076


interesting, no dedicated servers for the PC version

[xellos88330]

I am going to own all of you.... ALL OF YOU I TELL YA!!!

[z0sa]

http://www.team-dignitas.org/esports.php?id=9076


interesting, no dedicated servers for the PC version


That's a mistake if you ask me.

[z0sa]

I am going to own all of you.... ALL OF YOU I TELL YA!!!

I'll be online attempting to pwn release date. z0sa is my GT.

[xellos88330]

I'll be online attempting to pwn release date. z0sa is my GT.

Hehe, I am a pro man :D.

Prepare yourself!!!

GT: Zex Santana

:ihit And don't you foget it!!! muahaha! :ihit