Dallas Mavericks: Dark Horse to win it all next season

[RsxPiimp]

Yes. I believe so. I think Dirk will have on crazy ass season (similar to his MVP year) and believe it or not the acquisition of Marion will definitely make them the third best team in the West. Marion has been an All Star performer with a great playmaking guard and Kidd imo is still one of the best in the game.


Kidd, Marion, Jason Terry, Gooden, Tim Thomas, Dampier and J-Ho will keep the tempo,the mismatches, physicality and the perimeter shooting to keep them close in the game, while Dirk being one of the best clutch/takeover player in the game can finish it. They are still one of the best offensive team in the league and truthfully their coach is one of the best X and O's out there,. I think Cube's will bring in one more reinforcement this off season.


If you're going to jump in the bandwagon. Now's the time.

[iilluzioN]

lol, Marion......

1. Marion is not an All-Star
2. Marion Chokes during playoff time.
3. The player who will help them more is Gooden IMO

[picc84]

Marion is beyond overrated. He wont be that effective, especially in an isolation offense like the Mavs.

Every year the Mavs add a bunch of role players that come just short of being real, actual impact players. Tim Thomas and Drew Gooden are no different.

[tlongII]

:lmao

[RsxPiimp]

lol, Marion......

1. Marion is not an All-Star
2. Marion Chokes during playoff time.
3. The player who will help them more is Gooden IMO

1. Lol. Ok.
2. So does KG
3. Negative. Gooden is a 7th or an 8th man player off the bench.

[RsxPiimp]

Marion is beyond overrated. He wont be that effective, especially in an isolation offense like the Mavs.

Every year the Mavs add a bunch of role players that come just short of being real, actual impact players. Tim Thomas and Drew Gooden are no different.

Mavs plays a match of transition and quick uptempo sometimes. With Marion on board, it would be foolish to think no adjustments are going to be made to cater to his explosiveness.

[BlackSwordsMan]

:lol:rollin:lmao

[DJB]

Congratulations on being a dark horse.

[Hops]

Mavs should never be favorites or dark horses again after '06

[KSeal]

I personally think Portland is more of a dark horse then Dallas. But Dallas will be pretty good next year, I really can't see them beating SA or LA though.

[picc84]

Mavs plays a match of transition and quick uptempo sometimes. With Marion on board, it would be foolish to think no adjustments are going to be made to cater to his explosiveness.

Thats exactly what i'm telling you.

Especially when it comes to the playoffs. The game is going to slow down, like it always does, and his talents are going to minimize again, like they always do. You as a Spurs fan should know this more than anyone. Marion consistently drops off production and gets owned come playoff time because of just that.

[Jacob1983]

David Stern will not allow this. He will do everything in his power to make sure that the Lakers repeat as NBA champs next year.

[iggypop123]

all a darkhorse buys you is a loss to the lakers in the WCF

[Manu-of-steel]

marion's numbers have decreased, but playing with kidd would greatly help him. kidd is still a very good passer. Marion can capitalize on alley-oops assists from kidd,IMO.

Still, i do not agree that dallas is a better team than blazers.

[blink]

lol this has to be a joke. the mavs have come a long way since the end of last season but they are not dark horses to win it all. actually, no one is. it's gonna be spurs, lakers, or celtics. denver, orlando, and the cavs are gonna get crushed by one of those 3.

edit: i take that back, orlando isnt gonna get crushed but has an outside chance of winning it. they are darkhorses.

[in2deep]

:lmao Gooden

enjoy our leftovers Mavs

[dirk4mvp]

lol, Marion......

1. Marion is not an All-Star
2. Marion Chokes during playoff time.
3. The player who will help them more is Gooden IMO

lol spur/celtic fan

[ElNono]

Have they signed a franchise player yet? Otherwise, this is the same old story...

[Goran Dragic]

They should trade Kidd for me and they'd win it all.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao

I'll take scoffing from Laker or Spurs fans, but I damn sure ain't taking it from a Blazers fan. Don't forget that we owned your pansy ass team every game last season. Curbstomped the shit out of them to be more precise.

[rayray2k8]

_allas Mavericks of 2003 are back.

[Shank]

Some bitter motherfuckers in here.

Mono. Sup.

[BUMP]

Some bitter motherfuckers in here.

Mono. Sup.

:lol

Bitter SpurFans? No Way.

[Shank]

_allas Mavericks of 2003 are back.

Because Antoine Wright is gone?

[ElNono]

LOL tschlong... LOL Oden...

[all_heart]

that dark stuff on those horses is called dirt, they will get it from being kicked to the curb over and over again. just lay off the pipe man!

I heard Marion is not really liked by his team mates, maybe that's why he's getting around the league so much lately. hmmm..

[ehz33satx]

If you're going to jump in the bandwagon. Now's the time.


You jump. I will stay right here backing the San Antonio Spurs.


Fuck the Mavs.

[Rogue]

that dark stuff on those horses is called dirt, they will get it from being kicked to the curb over and over again. just lay off the pipe man!

I heard Marion is not really liked by his team mates, maybe that's why he's getting around the league so much lately. hmmm..
Marion has only played on 3 different teams in 10 years before becoming a boy in blue, obviously we're not talking about someone who had his footprints in 5 different cities during the same length of span, like Ron Artest. If Marion has kind of unacceptable personality, then how did the Suns tolerate him for so long? Dude just slipped a lot in recent years and his big contract became something no team likes, then it was not anything amazing that he got ping-ponged pretty frequently in these 2 years.

[all_heart]

Marion has only played on 3 different teams in 10 years before becoming a boy in blue, obviously we're not talking about someone who had his footprints in 5 different cities during the same length of span, like Ron Artest. If Marion has kind of unacceptable personality, then how did the Suns tolerate him for so long? Dude just slipped a lot in recent years and his big contract became something no team likes, then it was not anything amazing that he got ping-ponged pretty frequently in these 2 years.

I just heard from somebody who once met Jalen Rose a few years ago when the Suns were in town. She was Pistons fan and knew her basketball and ran into Rose at a club here in SA. I wasn't there, maybe she couldn't hear him well.. who knows. But didn't he want out of Phoenix because of lack of touches?

[Spursfan 87]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/TheREALPoisonIvy/mavssuck.jpg

[mavsfan1000]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/TheREALPoisonIvy/mavssuck.jpg
That picture fails. Mavs beat the spurs in that series. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

I don't understand the response to threads like this.

The Mavs are going to be a VERY tough team next year, they could easily finish with a top 3 record in the league, maybe 2nd or 1st when you factor injuries into the account.

They're also going to be a tough out for any team in the playoffs. Kidd passing to Marion will be a very solid combination, and Marion is a great 1-4 defender. I don't understand people that say he's overrated because he hustles, he plays excellent D, and he can explode offensively if he's fed properly. Most teams in the league need a player like him. So what if he can't create his own shot? Iverson creates shots for himself all the time -- and misses them. If Marion can keep his temperament down at being the #2 or 3 option on offense, the Mavs could go a long way in the playoffs.

The hate for Marion is just strange to me. I don't know of another player in the league who plays very solid defense that Spurs fans hate. Bowen can't create his shot either, and we love Brucie.

[KSeal]

I don't understand the response to threads like this.

The Mavs are going to be a VERY tough team next year, they could easily finish with a top 3 record in the league, maybe 2nd or 1st when you factor injuries into the account.

They're also going to be a tough out for any team in the playoffs. Kidd passing to Marion will be a very solid combination, and Marion is a great 1-4 defender. I don't understand people that say he's overrated because he hustles, he plays excellent D, and he can explode offensively if he's fed properly. Most teams in the league need a player like him. So what if he can't create his own shot? Iverson creates shots for himself all the time -- and misses them. If Marion can keep his temperament down at being the #2 or 3 option on offense, the Mavs could go a long way in the playoffs.

The hate for Marion is just strange to me. I don't know of another player in the league who plays very solid defense that Spurs fans hate. Bowen can't create his shot either, and we love Brucie.

:wow Top three record in the league and maybe first or second, are you kidding me?????? Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, possibly Blazers, Celtics, Magic and Cavs will all have a better record even if they do get banged up. You're overrating the Mavs just like you overrated the Cavs last year. The Mavs improved no doubt but adding a 31 Marion who's fallen off a bit and Drew Gooden does in no way make them a top three team in the league, not even the West. Even if Marion was the Marion from a few years ago they're still the fourth best team in the West.

[Lars]

I am not buying in. No defensive presence, tons of players but I doubt chemistry will be there. I give them just as much chance to land the 7th or 8th seed.

[baseline bum]

On paper they look pretty good. I'm no fan of Marion, but he can be decent if that team runs next season.

[Muser]

They improved, championship level? Doubt it.

[admiralsnackbar]

Dirk being one of the best clutch/takeover player in the game can finish it.


Right. Dirk "nerves of steel" Nowitzki :lol

[VivaPopovich]

Yes.

No. No defense, no championship.

[Rogue]

I am not buying in. No defensive presence, tons of players but I doubt chemistry will be there. I give them just as much chance to land the 7th or 8th seed.
That's why some further moves are needed. I'm content with the work Donnie has done this summer and some more significant positive changes are expected. With Marion playing as the starting 3, Josh Howard can be moved to 2 in our starting lineup, then our team will have a very solid and efficient lineup squad also with Dirk and Kidd at 1 and 4. Only the 5 seems a little bit weak with Dampier as the starting guy and only man to fill this spot, Dampier is an above-average center in vision of the whole league but it's inarguable dude is a weak spot compared to the other 4 starting guys. Okafor would be an upgrade over damp even though not very significant, I still think Donnie will have chance to make a decent shot at him when the Hornets relapse with their financial disease, probably Donnie will get this work done by the deadline of next season to fuel our team up for the postseason.

Anyway the Mavs won't be a dark horse next season, as the boys in blue are generally expected to be a top 3 team at least in the west and they are very likely to fulfill our expectations. while the Rockets will definitely be considered dark horse only if they don't finished at the bottom seat when the season ends.

[Rogue]

They improved, championship level? Doubt it.
I have to admit the Mavs are not an almost guaranteed team for championship like the Lakers, but the Lakers dynasty may very probably be conspired by teams like Spurs, Cavs, Magic, the Celtics in green and the Boys in Blue.

The trading window will remain open till late in feburary, which means Donnie can make some further upgrades at any time before the deadline, especially when the purse-tightened teams like Hornets are working asses off dumping salaries during the last several days before the window closes. I guess Okafor will get traded around that era alongside some garbage fillers to Dallas for Damp, unless Damp happens to make the allstar game next season and extends his outrageous contract to 10-11 season.

[all_heart]

I have to admit the Mavs are not an almost guaranteed team for championship like the Lakers, but the Lakers dynasty may very probably be conspired by teams like Spurs, Cavs, Magic, the Celtics in green and the Boys in Blue.

The trading window will remain open till late in feburary, which means Donnie can make some further upgrades at any time before the deadline, especially when the purse-tightened teams like Hornets are working asses off dumping salaries during the last several days before the window closes. I guess Okafor will get traded around that era alongside some garbage fillers to Dallas for Damp, unless Damp happens to make the allstar game next season and extends his outrageous contract to 10-11 season.

Sure the Mavs can be dangerous if they add a couple pieces, AND play some good D this year.. however... we'll see

Lakers dynasty?! whoa, IF they can beat a healthy west this year and win it all again, then MAYBE you can talk dynasty.. dynasties are earned not given out ahead of time..

[Phillip]

right now, i think the Celtics are the favorites to win it all.

Lakers still don't play defense for crap.

its ironic that Laker fans are talking about the Mavs defense, when the Lakers are one of the shittiest defensive teams in the league. if they met a healthy Celtics again in the finals, the Celtics would kick the shit out of them.

[Basketballgirl25]

You jump. I will stay right here backing the San Antonio Spurs.


Fuck the Mavs.

I'll jump, the Spurs actually had the one player who wanted to be a Net:toast, so have to root for his team

[2Cleva]

right now, i think the Celtics are the favorites to win it all.

Lakers still don't play defense for crap.

its ironic that Laker fans are talking about the Mavs defense, when the Lakers are one of the shittiest defensive teams in the league. if they met a healthy Celtics again in the finals, the Celtics would kick the shit out of them.

LA had one of the top 5 defensives in the league last year.

- 2nd in point differential
- 6th in opp FG%
- 3rd in opp 3PT%
- 4th in opp TOs.
- 10th in blocked shots
- 2nd in steals
- 3rd in TO differential.

Only measure you can say LA's defense was average is opp PPG (13th) but that has a lot to do with the tempo LA plays at and the number of shots both teams get (LA 3rd in PPG). LA also was the top rebounding team in the league.

Hope and pray all you want LA doesn't play D but it just ain't so.

:nope

[Rogue]

I'll jump, the Spurs actually had the one player who wanted to be a Net:toast, so have to root for his team
the Mavs fanbase doesn't have any room for a douche like you basketballtart25, though the Lakers fanbase will keep their door wide open for anyone willing to jump onto their bandwagon. I think you can make a decent shot at the Lakers fanbase, and the Lakers are more like a champion team than the Mavs in terms of our current squads, given the Lakers are very close to re-signing Lamar Odom. Only decent fans are qualified for Mavs bandwagon.

[2Cleva]

That said, Dallas will be better than last year.

Injuries aside, they are a bad matchup for SA, even healthy. They are too quick - both up front and on the perimeter. SA doesn't have the lockdown D anymore and they can't win a shootout with Dallas.

Flip side Dallas doesn't play physical enough to handle Denver or LA.

And they can't beat LA period. 1-6 over the past 2 seasons vs LA.

[Hops]

That said, Dallas will be better than last year.

Injuries aside, they are a bad matchup for SA, even healthy. They are too quick - both up front and on the perimeter. SA doesn't have the lockdown D anymore and they can't win a shootout with Dallas.

Flip side Dallas doesn't play physical enough to handle Denver or LA.

And they can't beat LA period. 1-6 over the past 2 seasons vs LA.

Exactly, and the fact that Denver, the most undisciplined team of all, scored at will on Dallas

[spursfan1000]

Marion dosen't even have a consistant shot...

[2Cleva]

Marion dosen't even have a consistant shot...

He doesn't need to. Him being a slasher and getting easy buckets is what that team needs to play their best. And his D will be solid as well.

And Dallas still has one more card to play. If Redd comes back from injury I can see a Josh Howard for Redd swap as Milwaukee tries to save money. Cuban has been after Redd for a long time.

[leemajors]

This was commendable troll bait.

[Culburn369]

I personally think Portland is more of a dark horse

Only if the Lakers are scheduled in there 82 games in-a-row.

Otherwise:::Portland=:sleep80 games.

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Anyhow, onto a team that has some legitimacy: the Dallas Mavericks. Good choice for darkhorse. It's a longshot, but, a solid choice. I think Howard is underrated. He's on ESPN's shitlist so everybody else follows suit, f'in sheep.

There is no crushing need for a superior center in the West so Dampier will be serviceable there.

Marion will be adequate, though his shot release is a real problem come playoff time. Prepare yourself.

Kidd has really settled into a nice groove, a real comfort zone with impact.

Fine threadage.

[mystargtr34]

That said, Dallas will be better than last year.

Injuries aside, they are a bad matchup for SA, even healthy. They are too quick - both up front and on the perimeter. SA doesn't have the lockdown D anymore and they can't win a shootout with Dallas.

Flip side Dallas doesn't play physical enough to handle Denver or LA.

And they can't beat LA period. 1-6 over the past 2 seasons vs LA.

I think the Mavs might be the ones that struggle to keep up with the Spurs on the perimeter. Parker is too quick for anyone on their roster, while Manu and Jefferson are every bit as athletic as Marion and Howard. Howard has always killed the Spurs, mainly because its been Michael Finley defending him for about 30 minutes a night - Jefferson should be able to limit his point parade somewhat.

The Spurs biggest problem with the Mavs always was, and is Dirk. They still dont have anyone whos really suited to guard him (then again who does) - so its always going to be their biggest problem should they meet up again. The best bet might be McDyess, and occasionally throw big, long athletic 3's at him ala Golden State with Stephen Jackson. Richard Jefferson fits that mould, but he doesnt have the defensive rep of Jax.

Either way, health permitting, Spurs and Mavs is garuanteed at least 6 close games.

[j-money24]

If the Spurs and the Mavericks meet in the playoffs this year.. Mavs will win easily..

[mystargtr34]

If the Spurs and the Mavericks meet in the playoffs this year.. Mavs will win easily..

Your right. They won 4-1.

[2Cleva]

I think the Mavs might be the ones that struggle to keep up with the Spurs on the perimeter. Parker is too quick for anyone on their roster, while Manu and Jefferson are every bit as athletic as Marion and Howard. Howard has always killed the Spurs, mainly because its been Michael Finley defending him for about 30 minutes a night - Jefferson should be able to limit his point parade somewhat.

The Spurs biggest problem with the Mavs always was, and is Dirk. They still dont have anyone whos really suited to guard him (then again who does) - so its always going to be their biggest problem should they meet up again. The best bet might be McDyess, and occasionally throw big, long athletic 3's at him ala Golden State with Stephen Jackson. Richard Jefferson fits that mould, but he doesnt have the defensive rep of Jax.

Either way, health permitting, Spurs and Mavs is garuanteed at least 6 close games.

Parker was quicker than anyone else last year and it didn't do SA any good. Parker may be able to score but Terry and Barrea countered that well. Hill will have to get a lot of PT and doing so takes another proven scoring threat off the floor.

But yeah, SA has no one that really has a chance to slow down Dirk. And unless Tim is 100%, SA doesn't have anyone who can make Dallas pay. And SA may actually be less physical than Dallas is.

[j-money24]

Your right. They won 4-1.

They did that last season and they will this season if they meet.

[Phillip]

LA had one of the top 5 defensives in the league last year.

- 2nd in point differential
- 6th in opp FG%
- 3rd in opp 3PT%
- 4th in opp TOs.
- 10th in blocked shots
- 2nd in steals
- 3rd in TO differential.

Only measure you can say LA's defense was average is opp PPG (13th) but that has a lot to do with the tempo LA plays at and the number of shots both teams get (LA 3rd in PPG). LA also was the top rebounding team in the league.

Hope and pray all you want LA doesn't play D but it just ain't so.

:nope

Meh, running up the score against crappy teams doesnt mean you play good defense. Their offense is their defense. They have such a proficient offense, that it makes it hard for other teams to keep up, causing them to force quick, bad shots.

All you have to do is watch the Lakers, and see that they don't shut anyone down. They go for turnovers on defense, and try to outscore them like crazy. And the style works for them, as opposed to teams like the Suns, or Mavs/Kings of old, because the Lakers are capable of operating in a half court set. That's what annoys me about when people say that an offensive heavy team cant win. Because they can, its just that teams that have no half-court offense, are the ones that run into trouble. The Lakers offense IMO is just as good as the Suns was a few years ago (not as flashy, but just as effective and efficient). But since they have players that can create their own shot (as opposed to the Sun when it was just Nash), they can still score when the game slows down.

The Lakers are an offensive-first team, and anyone that says otherwise are morons.

[mystargtr34]

Parker was quicker than anyone else last year and it didn't do SA any good. Parker may be able to score but Terry and Barrea countered that well. Hill will have to get a lot of PT and doing so takes another proven scoring threat off the floor.

But yeah, SA has no one that really has a chance to slow down Dirk. And unless Tim is 100%, SA doesn't have anyone who can make Dallas pay. And SA may actually be less physical than Dallas is.

I dont think Terry and Barea come close to offsetting what Parker does for the Spurs. I think thats a pretty clear advantage for SA. The biggest factor on the perimeter in last seasons series was Josh Howard going LeBron James on Michael Finley and Ime Udoka. Theres a good chance he comes back to the J-Ho we all know and love with someone actually guarding him. RJ is a capable defender, hes no Shane Battier, but hes big, strong and athletic.

Dirk will get his 25 PPG on 50% with 3 or 4 assists - thats just Dirk, i dont think you can go into a series hoping to shut a player of that caliber down.

And i disagree about your point on physicality. McDyess is one of the tougher, more physical players there is in the NBA. Not to mention Tim Duncan aswell.

[Culburn369]

All you have to do is watch the Lakers, and see that they don't shut anyone down. They go for turnovers on defense, and try to outscore them like crazy. And the style works for them, as opposed to teams like the Suns, or Mavs/Kings of old, because the Lakers are capable of operating in a half court set. That's what annoys me about when people say that an offensive heavy team cant win. Because they can, its just that teams that have no half-court offense, are the ones that run into trouble. The Lakers offense IMO is just as good as the Suns was a few years ago (not as flashy, but just as effective and efficient). But since they have players that can create their own shot (as opposed to the Sun when it was just Nash), they can still score when the game slows down.

The Lakers are an offensive-first team

Phillip, with the goods. Stout post.

[Phillip]

And they can't beat LA period. 1-6 over the past 2 seasons vs LA.

Mavs really arent as far off as you think. Every last one of those games went down to the final moments. Mavs may not have been able to pull off wins, they have consistently played the Lakers as tough as any team in the NBA over the past 2 years. Hopefully this year, with their improvements, the Mavs can finally finish a couple of those games off.

[hater]

:lmao Gooden

enjoy our leftovers Mavs

http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/food-handling-and-prepared-food-06-storage-of-leftovers-in-fridge.jpg

[Muser]

If the Spurs and the Mavericks meet in the playoffs this year.. Mavs will win easily..


Beating SA doesn't "win it all" though.

If somehow Dallas get through to the finals they would be lucky not to get swept by a healthy Celts IMO.

[2Cleva]

Meh, running up the score against crappy teams doesnt mean you play good defense. Their offense is their defense. They have such a proficient offense, that it makes it hard for other teams to keep up, causing them to force quick, bad shots.

All you have to do is watch the Lakers, and see that they don't shut anyone down. They go for turnovers on defense, and try to outscore them like crazy. And the style works for them, as opposed to teams like the Suns, or Mavs/Kings of old, because the Lakers are capable of operating in a half court set. That's what annoys me about when people say that an offensive heavy team cant win. Because they can, its just that teams that have no half-court offense, are the ones that run into trouble. The Lakers offense IMO is just as good as the Suns was a few years ago (not as flashy, but just as effective and efficient). But since they have players that can create their own shot (as opposed to the Sun when it was just Nash), they can still score when the game slows down.

The Lakers are an offensive-first team, and anyone that says otherwise are morons.

Being offensive-first doesn't mean they don't play D. They aren't mutually exclusive as you claim. Forcing TOs and holding opponents to a low percentage is what D is all about.

[BUMP]

Meh, running up the score against crappy teams doesnt mean you play good defense. Their offense is their defense. They have such a proficient offense, that it makes it hard for other teams to keep up, causing them to force quick, bad shots.

All you have to do is watch the Lakers, and see that they don't shut anyone down. They go for turnovers on defense, and try to outscore them like crazy. And the style works for them, as opposed to teams like the Suns, or Mavs/Kings of old, because the Lakers are capable of operating in a half court set. That's what annoys me about when people say that an offensive heavy team cant win. Because they can, its just that teams that have no half-court offense, are the ones that run into trouble. The Lakers offense IMO is just as good as the Suns was a few years ago (not as flashy, but just as effective and efficient). But since they have players that can create their own shot (as opposed to the Sun when it was just Nash), they can still score when the game slows down.

The Lakers are an offensive-first team, and anyone that says otherwise are morons.

That's a really good post. The Lakers don't play terrible defense or anything, but more like average D and they use their offense to frustrate teams trying to keep up.

When you face a team that just scores points in bunches you tend to get out of your rhythm trying to keep up. That's just the nature of the game

[hater]

http://nuclear.tamu.edu/%7Ejohnm/award.jpg

this never fails

[picc84]

The Mavs matchup advantage on the Spurs is overblown in the first place. They've beat them at full strength once in the playoffs this decade. That could happen to anyone. Even if Ginobili had played at 50% in the series this spring the outcome could easily have been different.

With Jefferson their athleticism edge is diminished even further.

[z0sa]

if the spurs and mavs meet healthy this next postseason, the mavs will be lucky to win 1 game.

[picc84]

Meh, running up the score against crappy teams doesnt mean you play good defense. Their offense is their defense. They have such a proficient offense, that it makes it hard for other teams to keep up, causing them to force quick, bad shots.

All you have to do is watch the Lakers, and see that they don't shut anyone down. They go for turnovers on defense, and try to outscore them like crazy. And the style works for them, as opposed to teams like the Suns, or Mavs/Kings of old, because the Lakers are capable of operating in a half court set. That's what annoys me about when people say that an offensive heavy team cant win. Because they can, its just that teams that have no half-court offense, are the ones that run into trouble. The Lakers offense IMO is just as good as the Suns was a few years ago (not as flashy, but just as effective and efficient). But since they have players that can create their own shot (as opposed to the Sun when it was just Nash), they can still score when the game slows down.

The Lakers are an offensive-first team, and anyone that says otherwise are morons.

Ridiculous. The Lakers arent as good a defensive team as the top couple teams in the league but they are well above average. The only team that defended the Magic better in the playoffs were the Celtics. The Nuggets series was also won on defense.

The reason the Mavs and Suns couldn't win is because their defense was pitifully coached. Even the Suns, with decent defensive personnel, were swiss cheese defensively and never could get stops in key situations. When the suns lost in the playoffs every year the final score didnt reflect a team that failed to put the ball in the basket, it said that they couldnt defend ANYONE. Offense in half-court sets had little to do with it, its the fact that they couldnt defend in half court OR transition.

The Mavs could score in a halfcourt, their entire offense was predicated on iso's. But they had no idea how to defend penetrating guards, and even years later after the Dwade debacle still are clueless. Thats the reason these teams lose year after year in the playoffs, not because of some alleged failure to run a set offense. The Lakers defense this year was leagues better than either of those teams.

[picc84]

That's a really good post. The Lakers don't play terrible defense or anything, but more like average D and they use their offense to frustrate teams trying to keep up.

When you face a team that just scores points in bunches you tend to get out of your rhythm trying to keep up. That's just the nature of the game

Also wrong. With an 'average' defense we would have gotten blown out of the finals in 5 games and likely not even made it there.

[Culburn369]

if the spurs and mavs meet healthy

Hey, dummy, that's a given...quit f'in sayin' that shit, I'm beggin' ya. You don't have to say it. Nobody does. It's worthless.

Use your common sense, man.

[Phillip]

Being offensive-first doesn't mean they don't play D. They aren't mutually exclusive as you claim. Forcing TOs and holding opponents to a low percentage is what D is all about.

And they do that by outscoring opponents, making more opponents keep up with them. Much like the Mavs in 02 and Suns in 06 did (both teams actually ended up with pretty decent looking defensive stats, but we all know that their defenses sucked, and it was because they would stomp crappy teams guts out). All that offense will force an undisciplined team into a lot of bad shots, resulting in inflated stats. Yes, the Lakers do play at least a little defense, but to say that they are capable of shutting opponents down when their shots arent falling, is crazy. It's just not often that their shots dont fall due to the amount of offensive skills they have all around.

[Phillip]

this never fails

it just did

[Phillip]

The Mavs matchup advantage on the Spurs is overblown in the first place. They've beat them at full strength once in the playoffs this decade. That could happen to anyone. Even if Ginobili had played at 50% in the series this spring the outcome could easily have been different.

With Jefferson their athleticism edge is diminished even further.


if the spurs and mavs meet healthy this next postseason, the mavs will be lucky to win 1 game.

easy to make excuses. mavs could use excuses that Dirk played half asses, that terry played like garbage, that howard could have averaged 40 instead of 20, had he not been playing with busted ankles, etc...

what happened, happened.

[Phillip]

The Mavs could score in a halfcourt, their entire offense was predicated on iso's. But they had no idea how to defend penetrating guards, and even years later after the Dwade debacle still are clueless. Thats the reason these teams lose year after year in the playoffs, not because of some alleged failure to run a set offense. The Lakers defense this year was leagues better than either of those teams.

That Mavericks team actually played defense. I'm talking about the Nelly-ball teams.

FACT: Lakers win due to their offense, not their defense.

FACT: The Lakers offense is so well balanced, that they don't often have off-nights.

FACT: If the Lakers shots arent falling however, they are fucked.

[Phillip]

Lakers have a very average defense, but thankfully our offense and Kobe is good enough to keep the ball going through the hoop, making it hard to beat us. But when we face a truly good defensive team, we get fucked in the ass with 30+ point losses in the Finals.

[Cry Havoc]

:wow Top three record in the league and maybe first or second, are you kidding me?????? Lakers, Spurs, Nuggets, possibly Blazers, Celtics, Magic and Cavs will all have a better record even if they do get banged up. You're overrating the Mavs just like you overrated the Cavs last year. The Mavs improved no doubt but adding a 31 Marion who's fallen off a bit and Drew Gooden does in no way make them a top three team in the league, not even the West. Even if Marion was the Marion from a few years ago they're still the fourth best team in the West.

Ack. You know what? You're right. I'll amend my post to a top three record in the West.

[BUMP]

They've beat them at full strength once in the playoffs this decade. That could happen to anyone.

and guess what? The Spurs Failed to beat us even once this decade at full strength.


if Ginobili had played at 50% in the series this spring the outcome could easily have been different.



uh 50%?

Yeah, it would've been a sweep for us then dumbass

[picc84]

Magic vs:

Celtics - 96ppg
Cavs - 103ppg
Lakers - 91ppg
Season - 101ppg

Nuggets vs:

Hornets - 108ppg
Mavs - 114ppg
Lakers - 102ppg
Season - 104ppg


Lakers have a very average defense, but thankfully our offense and Kobe is good enough to keep the ball going through the hoop, making it hard to beat us. But when we face a truly good defensive team, we get fucked in the ass with 30+ point losses in the Finals.

It doesn't even take a good defensive team to fuck the mavs in the ass by 30+. They can do it against an 8th seed team of midgets in the first round.

Mavs and Mavs fans wouldn't know good defense if it hit them in the face with a larry o'brien trophy. Which it never will.

[picc84]

and guess what? The Spurs Failed to beat us even once this decade at full strength.

Guess what again. I didnt say the Spurs have the Mavs number. I said the Mavs dont have their's. No one has an advantage, contrary to your belief.

[BUMP]

Magic vs:

Celtics - 96ppg
Cavs - 103ppg
Lakers - 91ppg
Season - 101ppg

Nuggets vs:

Hornets - 108ppg
Mavs - 114ppg
Lakers - 102ppg
Season - 104ppg



It doesn't even take a good defensive team to fuck the mavs in the ass by 30+. They can do it against an 8th seed team of midgets in the first round.

Mavs and Mavs fans wouldn't know good defense if it hit them in the face with a larry o'brien trophy. Which it never will.

:tu

ok LakerFan, as soon as you get your ring let me know, mmk?

[j-money24]

Also wrong. With an 'average' defense we would have gotten blown out of the finals in 5 games and likely not even made it there.

Its one reason why im happy we got Artest.
Ariza is an overrated defender, he's only good in steals, last year the lakers needed a lock down defender like Artest. Lakers defense was very overrated but that could change this year and i believe it will.

Also Bynum sucks ass hell on the defensive end too, all he does is foul.

[Phillip]

Magic vs:

Celtics - 96ppg
Cavs - 103ppg
Lakers - 91ppg
Season - 101ppg

Nuggets vs:

Hornets - 108ppg
Mavs - 114ppg
Lakers - 102ppg
Season - 104ppg

Neat. A team that relies on jumpshots and 3s, and another team that has possibly the worst BBIQ in the NBA. Very impressive.


It doesn't even take a good defensive team to fuck the mavs in the ass by 30+. They can do it against an 8th seed team of midgets in the first round.

Mavs and Mavs fans wouldn't know good defense if it hit them in the face with a larry o'brien trophy. Which it never will.

Ooooh, you sure made a good point there. That has everything to do with the discussion at hand, in regards to the fact that the Lakers do not have a good defense.

Being a Mavs fan has nothing to do with basketball knowledge. You obviously are new here, and have a lot to learn about Spurstalk, but that "your a mav fan so u dont know wht defense means! LOL!!!" doesnt fly around here, fuckstick. Step your game up, or kindly go fuck yourself with your father's herpes infested penis.

[picc84]

:tu

ok LakerFan, as soon as you get your ring let me know, mmk?


How exactly would you know whether the fans get rings or not? Maybe we do, maybe we don't...but you have about as much clue of that as if there's life on Mars, dont you.

For all you know I could be wearing mine right now. :lol

[Phillip]

How exactly would you know whether the fans get rings or not? Maybe we do, maybe we don't...but you have about as much clue of that as if there's life on Mars, dont you.

For all you know I could be wearing mine right now. :lol

what

the

shit

?

time for someone to break out the epic fail troll

[picc84]

Neat. A team that relies on jumpshots and 3s, and another team that has possibly the worst BBIQ in the NBA. Very impressive.

You said our D was average. Clearly it is not. They scored bunches of points on other teams with the same reliance on jumpshots and 3's and bad bball IQ, and were held to their lowest ppg against LA. Obviously we were doing better than average on D.


Ooooh, you sure made a good point there. That has everything to do with the discussion at hand, in regards to the fact that the Lakers do not have a good defense.

What did your post about last years game 6 loss have to do with the discussion at hand? It was an attack, nothing more, and also irrelevant considering it was last year with different personnel. I thought we were talking about THIS year? Guess only when it jives with your arguments, huh.


Being a Mavs fan has nothing to do with basketball knowledge. You obviously are new here, and have a lot to learn about Spurstalk, but that "your a mav fan so u dont know wht defense means! LOL!!!" doesnt fly around here, fuckstick. Step your game up, or kindly go fuck yourself with your father's herpes infested penis.

Is this how it works here around Spurstalk?

haha

I was just responding to your unecessary and irrelevant comment. I didnt start attacking until you did.

[z0sa]

How exactly would you know whether the fans get rings or not? Maybe we do, maybe we don't...but you have about as much clue of that as if there's life on Mars, dont you.

For all you know I could be wearing mine right now. :lol

well I agree if the security guards get a ring, the fans should too :wakeup

[Phillip]

You said our D was average. Clearly it is not.

You're right. It's mediocre.


What did your post about last years game 6 loss have to do with the discussion at hand? It was an attack, nothing more, and also irrelevant considering it was last year with different personnel. I thought we were talking about THIS year? Guess only when it jives with your arguments, huh.

It had everything to do with it. It was bringing up the fact that when the Lakers face a truly good defensive team, they have problems, because they cant truly stop anyone, therefore their team relies on their offense. It showed when the Celtics stomped their guts out in the Finals. But obviously you're too stupid to figure that out on your own, as you have to have people point it out for you, eh?


Is this how it works here around Spurstalk?

haha

I was just responding to your unecessary and irrelevant comment. I didnt start attacking until you did.

1. Your attack was lame

2. As just stated, you were too ignorant to realize the point of bringing up the Lakers loss to the Celtics.

Die.

[picc84]

what

the

shit

?

time for someone to break out the epic fail troll

Phillip, do you always start shit with other teams fans and then become indignant when they respond in kind? Only until you break out the vulgar string of expletives that is...i'm assuming the indignation ends there and you go straight to rage.

[picc84]

It had everything to do with it. It was bringing up the fact that when the Lakers face a truly good defensive team, they have problems, because they cant truly stop anyone, therefore their team relies on their offense. It showed when the Celtics stomped their guts out in the Finals. But obviously you're too stupid to figure that out on your own, as you have to have people point it out for you, eh?

Its like you really dont understand that last years team and this years team weren't the same team. Wow.

"You're right. It's mediocre."

If our D was mediocre, what were the other teams' that Denver and Orlando played? :(


1. Your attack was lame

2. As just stated, you were too ignorant to realize the point of bringing up the Lakers loss to the Celtics.

Die.

Wow. :lol

[Phillip]

Phillip, do you always start shit with other teams fans and then become indignant when they respond in kind? Only until you break out the vulgar string of expletives that is...i'm assuming the indignation ends there and you go straight to rage.

Stab yourself with a rusty knife. Right through the jugular. Make the world a better place.

[all_heart]

Its one reason why im happy we got Artest.
Ariza is an overrated defender, he's only good in steals, last year the lakers needed a lock down defender like Artest. Lakers defense was very overrated but that could change this year and i believe it will.

Also Bynum sucks ass hell on the defensive end too, all he does is foul.

Can't agree w/you there. Ariza helped shore up the D on the Lakers bench, even if he only got steals. Lakers lost a lot of length and speed w/Ariza. Artest is not the lock down defender he used to be, not that he's bad though. Ariza was a better fit with Lakers than Artest will be IMO. Not to mention he's a ball chucker and dribbles too much. All in all, Lakers took a step back this offseason.

[j-money24]

Stab yourself with a rusty knife. Right through the jugular. Make the world a better place.

:lmao

[Phillip]

Its like you really dont understand that last years team and this years team weren't the same team. Wow.

Differences?

They had Ariza.

Bynum was around and sucked a little less, even though the team is clearly better when Odom and Pau are together, than Bynum.

Vujacic wasn't playing out of his mind, and sucked like he does.

Major differences. :rolleyes


Wow. :lol

Yeah, you already said that. Quit being a baby and grow a pair.

[picc84]

Stab yourself with a rusty knife. Right through the jugular. Make the world a better place.

I could do this and die happy saying I lived to see my team win a championship. Can you? :rollin

[Phillip]

I could do this and die happy saying I lived to see my team win a championship. Can you? :rollin

No, because unlike you, I don't go to bed each night beating off to videos of Kobe and Magic. Try porn instead.

[2Cleva]

Its like you really dont understand that last years team and this years team weren't the same team. Wow.

"You're right. It's mediocre."

If our D was mediocre, what were the other teams' that Denver and Orlando played? :(


He won't answer that one.

[picc84]

So much anger from you Phillip. Where could you, a mavs fan, possibly have gotten so angry from? It doesn't make any sense.

:rollin

[z0sa]

No, because unlike you, I don't go to bed each night beating off to videos of Kobe and Magic. Try porn instead.

so you prefer beating off to gay porn?

question.

[all_heart]

I could do this and die happy saying I lived to see my team win a championship. Can you? :rollin

Good one :lol
Mavs fans are a bunch of haters.. kinda reminds me of..

(http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=24419&title=the-playa-haters-ball)

[Phillip]

I play with young boys nipples:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin: rollin:rollin:rollin :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Phillip]

so you prefer beating off to gay porn?

question.

did i type gayporn

question.

[z0sa]

did i type gayporn

question.

you were talking about beating off to men beforehand.

[Phillip]

He won't answer that one.

No need to because I'm not going to waste my time on such ignorance. Asking such a question is basically implying that they beat other teams with offenses that are of the same caliber as the Lakers, just with less defense, which is clearly not the case at all. If there was any though process that went on inside your idiotic, lamebrained skulls, you would have been able to answer that yourselves.

[TJastal]

The mavs are going to be a dangerous wild-card. Darkhorse to a championship? Doubt they'll get that far, but they may with a little luck make the conference finals.

Contrary to what's been said in this thread, they aren't going to have an easy time if they happen to face the spurs again. The major problems the spurs have had with that team was keeping JHoward, Dirk and Barea in check, in that order. With Jefferson, McDyess, and George Hill (who hopefully will be playing the entire season, and not riding the pine for half of it) those 3 matchup nightmares are significantly neutralized.

The Kidd-Marion fast break tandem may provide some new problems, but the spurs should have plenty of new problems for the mavs as well.

I would put the mavs along with the nuggets and rockets in the 2nd tier of elite teams after the lakers, blazers and spurs. Dangerous enough to knock out a 1st tier team but not likely.

[BUMP]

The major problems the spurs have had with that team was keeping JHoward, Dirk and Barea in check, in that order. With Jefferson, McDyess, and George Hill (who hopefully will be playing the entire season, and not riding the pine for half of it) those 3 matchup nightmares are significantly neutralized.


1 Jefferson can't guard Howard
2 No way in hell can McDyess guard Nowitzki
3 If you guys have to put arguably your most athletic player to neutralize a goofy elf then thats another plus for us as well

[nkdlunch]

1 Jefferson can't guard Howard


prove it

[Phillip]

prove it

the real question, is prove that he CAN. he has always been known as a mediocre to crappy defender.

[BUMP]

prove it

K fine,

Howard averaged 23 last year in the two games against Milwaukee, while outscoring Jefferson in both

19 in Milwaukee

http://www.nba.com/games/20090121/DALMIL/boxscore.html

27 in Dallas

http://www.nba.com/games/20090225/MILDAL/boxscore.html

[nkdlunch]

the real question, is prove that he CAN. he has always been known as a mediocre to crappy defender.

link to where you heard this BS.

[nkdlunch]

K fine,

Howard averaged 23 last year in the two games against Milwaukee, while outscoring Jefferson in both

19 in Milwaukee

http://www.nba.com/games/20090121/DALMIL/boxscore.html

27 in Dallas

http://www.nba.com/games/20090225/MILDAL/boxscore.html

and Jefferson was guarding him what % of the time?

[Phillip]

link to where you heard this BS.

link to where you have reason to dispute otherwise.

[all_heart]

K fine,

Howard averaged 23 last year in the two games against Milwaukee, while outscoring Jefferson in both

19 in Milwaukee

http://www.nba.com/games/20090121/DALMIL/boxscore.html

27 in Dallas

http://www.nba.com/games/20090225/MILDAL/boxscore.html


Numbers like this are stupid, can you say that Jefferson guarded each other the whole night.. and like the Bucks played great team D anyway..

[BUMP]

and Jefferson was guarding him what % of the time?

wtf? How am i supposed to know? I didn't tape and analyze every single game. You guys are the ones saying Jefferson can neutralize him, but when he played Jefferson's team he was 8 ppg higher than his career average.

Common sense says it was Jefferson though.

Starters for both teams

Dallas

Kidd
Wright
Howard
Dirk
Dampier

Milwaukee

Ridnour
Redd
Jefferson
Villanueva
Gadzuric

You really think they would put Michael Redd on him? :rolleyes

[nkdlunch]

wtf? How am i supposed to know? I didn't tape and analyze every single game. You guys are the ones saying Jefferson can neutralize him, but when he played Jefferson's team he was 8 ppg higher than his career average.

Common sense says it was Jefferson though.

Starters for both teams

Dallas

Kidd
Wright
Howard
Dirk
Dampier

Milwaukee

Ridnour
Redd
Jefferson
Villanueva
Gadzuric

You really think they would put Michael Redd on him? :rolleyes

I am not saying Jefferson can neutralize Howard. YOu said he can't guard Howard. I say he can do as good a job as any other spur has done.

and that's good enough, because offensively he is a HUGE improment.

[clambake]

why don't you guys wait until they play?

isn't this a contract year for howard? if he plays out of his mind this year, i'm gonna puke.

[DAF86]

WC power rankings IMO-

1-Lakers
2-Spurs
3-Nuggets
4-Blazers
5-Jazz
6-Mavs
7-Rockets
8-Hornets

So no, I don't think the Mavs have much of a chance.

[in2deep]

blazers #4???

what r u smoking?

[Phillip]

I am not saying Jefferson can neutralize Howard. YOu said he can't guard Howard. I say he can do as good a job as any other spur has done.

and that's good enough, because offensively he is a HUGE improment.

and a big decline defensively. Bruce >>>>>>>>> Jefferson on defense and hustle

not to mention no one is going to be scared shitless of that corner three. you guys are going to miss that more than you think.

there might not be a more feared shot by the spurs than that corner three. in fact, i dont think there is a shot that i have ever feared as much as that corner three by Bruce. everytime he shot it, i thought it was good. it was about as reliable as Jordan in the clutch.

[Phillip]

WC power rankings IMO-

1-Lakers
2-Spurs
3-Nuggets
4-Blazers
5-Jazz
6-Mavs
7-Rockets
8-Hornets

So no, I don't think the Mavs have much of a chance.

your opinion has about the same amount of logic as a steamy pile of shit

so no, i dont think your opinion on the mavs chances matters much.

[nkdlunch]

and a big decline defensively. Bruce >>>>>>>>> Jefferson on defense and hustle

not to mention no one is going to be scared shitless of that corner three. you guys are going to miss that more than you think.

:lol

you obviously havent watched basketball in a couple of years. Bruce is done and last year he didnt even get much playing time vs. Mavs.

Not to mention Jefferson is deadly from anywhere behind the arc, moreso than Bowen.

FAIL

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

WC power rankings IMO-

1-Lakers
2-Spurs
3-Nuggets
4-Blazers
5-Jazz
6-Mavs
7-Rockets
8-Hornets

So no, I don't think the Mavs have much of a chance.


How the hell are the Jazz up there?

IMO the Mavs, Blazers, nugs, Spurs and Lakers are the clear cut top 5 Western teams that are all playoff locks.

[Phillip]

:lol

you obviously havent watched basketball in a couple of years. Bruce is done and last year he didnt even get much playing time vs. Mavs.

his team defense >>> jeffersons defense

1-on-1, sure he wasnt as effective

but he knew his place in the system well

and as said, the corner three... thats going to be missed by the spurs, and not missed at all by opposing teams. makes it a LOT easier to crowd the lane for guys like Jefferson, Manu and Parker slashing.

[nkdlunch]

and as said, the corner three... thats going to be missed by the spurs, and not missed at all by opposing teams. makes it a LOT easier to crowd the lane for guys like Jefferson, Manu and Parker slashing.



Not to mention Jefferson is deadly from anywhere behind the arc, moreso than Bowen.

FAIL

[cornbread]

If the new guys in their system click well and the team peaks at the right time, I'd say the Mavs have as good a shot as anybody next season. Considering that a few other teams are the ones getting all the hype, it's probably not unreasonable to consider them a dark horse.

[Phillip]

Not to mention Jefferson is deadly from anywhere behind the arc, moreso than Bowen.

Um, not really. I mean if he gets hot, cool. But he isn't a guy that you can rely on to hit it consistently. He's definitely been a streaky shooter through his career.

[DAF86]

How the hell are the Jazz up there?
IMO the Mavs, Blazers, nugs, Spurs and Lakers are the clear cut top 5 Western teams that are all playoff locks.

They kinda have the same core of guys that made it to WCF a couple of years ago, IMO this will be a breakout year for Deron Williams and it's always tough to play on Utah. Besides, I really don't think the Mavs have improved much: Kidd will be 36-37? Marion isn't the same player that he was on Phoenix and really all the other guys they added aren't difference makers.

[BUMP]

They kinda have the same core of guys that made it to WCF a couple of years ago, IMO this will be a breakout year for Deron Williams and it's always tough to play on Utah. Besides, I really don't think the Mavs have improved much: Kidd will be 36-37? Marion isn't the same player that he was on Phoenix and really all the other guys they added aren't difference makers.

I'm not so sure.

Obviously his offensive numbers are gonna drop going from the Suns to Miami.

PHX had the run and gun from Hell in 04-07.

He's back with a good team and isn't too old, but i think he will definitely be more productive here in Dallas with Kidd running the show. maybe something like 16 ppg

[Goran Dragic]

They kinda have the same core of guys that made it to WCF a couple of years ago


They had some real stiff competition when they got there.

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao at this thread.

[dirk4mvp]

If Bowen consistently got worked by Howard, what makes anyone think fluffy voice will be able to check him?

[Goran Dragic]

:lmao fluffy voice.

[RamReddy]

I personally think Portland is more of a dark horse then Dallas. But Dallas will be pretty good next year, I really can't see them beating SA or LA though.

this guy said it right.
It's pretty much going to be LA and SA in the WCF.
SA will win it in six.

... and then win the :lobt2:

[Findog]

Isn't Richard Jefferson gay? Didn't he just dump his beard? I find it hard to imagine Josh will get checked by such an effeminate qweah.

[Morg1411]

Isn't Richard Jefferson gay? Didn't he just dump his beard? I find it hard to imagine Josh will get checked by such an effeminate qweah.

More genius comments from the Mavs fanbase. You guys rock.

[Findog]

More genius comments from the Mavs fanbase. You guys rock.

Sounds like somebody can dish it, but can't take it. Maybe I'll go start talking some smack to Warriors fans about how the Mavs have made the playoffs 8 more times this decade and have 1 more conference championship over that span of time. Anytime I'm feeling insecure about myself, as a Mavs fan, it's good to go talk trash to Warriors fans.

[Findog]

Kobe is a rapist.

Lamar Odom likes gummy bears and sweet tarts har har har har

[crc21209]

Yes. I believe so. I think Dirk will have on crazy ass season (similar to his MVP year) and believe it or not the acquisition of Marion will definitely make them the third best team in the West. Marion has been an All Star performer with a great playmaking guard and Kidd imo is still one of the best in the game.


Kidd, Marion, Jason Terry, Gooden, Tim Thomas, Dampier and J-Ho will keep the tempo,the mismatches, physicality and the perimeter shooting to keep them close in the game, while Dirk being one of the best clutch/takeover player in the game can finish it. They are still one of the best offensive team in the league and truthfully their coach is one of the best X and O's out there,. I think Cube's will bring in one more reinforcement this off season.


If you're going to jump in the bandwagon. Now's the time.

Let's face it...Dallas' best chance at the title was in 06'. It didnt happen. And Shawn Marion, Tim Thomas, and Drew Gooden are not going to be that big of difference makers as some people may think. Marion fades as the season goes on, and Gooden and Thomas are horrible on defense.

[Hops]

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60907/20090731/mavericks_arent_interested_in_mccants/


Rashad McCants tweeted on Thursday morning that he hoped to sign with the Mavericks, but Dallas has no interest in the free agent.

[crc21209]

Isn't Richard Jefferson gay? Didn't he just dump his beard? I find it hard to imagine Josh will get checked by such an effeminate qweah.

Didnt know you knew him personally. Seriously everyone needs to stop being fucking gossipers around here about RJ being gay. Has he ever said it publicly? No. Sooo how do we know you're not gay? Hmm.....

[Findog]

Didnt know you knew him personally. Seriously everyone needs to stop being fucking gossipers around here about RJ being gay. Has he ever said it publicly? No. Sooo how do we know you're not gay? Hmm.....

What is wrong with being gay? It's the 21st Century. Your post is defensive and you come across like you think being gay is a bad thing.

[in2deep]

the only Dark Horse here is Dirk's wife

[crc21209]

What is wrong with being gay? It's the 21st Century. Your post is defensive and you come across like you think being gay is a bad thing.

I didn't say it was a bad thing, but you and other posters around here keep posting that RJ is gay when he has never confirmed it himself so maybe you think something is wrong with it since you like to post it so much.

[crc21209]

You're also the one who used the term "qweah," not me.

[BUMP]

Didnt know you knew him personally. Seriously everyone needs to stop being fucking gossipers around here about RJ being gay. Has he ever said it publicly? No. Sooo how do we know you're not gay? Hmm.....

Oh wow. Cry me a river. And you guys can get away with calling Kobe a rapist?

Boohooohooo

:cry:cry:cry

[redzero]

Hornets are the real darkhorses.

[KSeal]

this guy said it right.
It's pretty much going to be LA and SA in the WCF.
SA will win it in six.

... and then win the :lobt2:

You Spurfans really need to wait and see what Duncan and Manu look like before you start making claims that you'll make it to the WCF and whatnot. Duncan looked really bad the second half last year, he still put up pretty good numbers, but really looked old. Meanwhile Manu hasn't been healthy for two years now and is another year older. I have a hard time seeing the Spurs holding up by the time the playoffs start.

[dirk4mvp]

You Spurfans really need to wait and see what Duncan and Manu look like before you start making claims that you'll make it to the WCF and whatnot. Duncan looked really bad the second half last year, he still put up pretty good numbers, but really looked old. Meanwhile Manu hasn't been healthy for two years now and is another year older. I have a hard time seeing the Spurs holding up by the time the playoffs start.

Much less, god forbid they run into the Mavs before they play the Lakers. We all know how that's worked out for them the past couple of times.

[Rogue]

I didn't say it was a bad thing, but you and other posters around here keep posting that RJ is gay when he has never confirmed it himself so maybe you think something is wrong with it since you like to post it so much.
Nope, it isn't a bad thing actually. Homosexuality is the second most efficient way to reduce the fast exploding population, only one seat behind war. That's why the thoughts of gay have been pretty popular in recent years from Hollywood to silicon valley, and the movies relating to gay are also very preferable in the Oscar election. Like the "Milk" featuring Sean Penn, who won the Oscar award for the best performance by actor in a leading role earlier in Jan this year, not to mention the "broke back mountain" which is even gayer.

[Mori Chu]

I didn't say it was a bad thing, but you and other posters around here keep posting that RJ is gay when he has never confirmed it himself so maybe you think something is wrong with it since you like to post it so much.

I went to University of Arizona, and let me tell you: If Richard Jefferson was gay, he hid it pretty well. I personally knew a couple of women who swore they had slept with him, and the tales of his various escapades were pretty legendary.

[mystargtr34]

Id like the Mavs chances more if they hired Mike Dantoni as coach.

[mystargtr34]

Much less, god forbid they run into the Mavs before they play the Lakers. We all know how that's worked out for them the past couple of times.

We know how those wins worked out for the Mavs too.

[dirk4mvp]

We know how those wins worked out for the Mavs too.

So are you a spurfan or are you going to piggyback another team to talk down on the Mavericks? Cuz Spur fan doesn't have any room to talk to daddy Mav fans.

[mystargtr34]

So are you a spurfan or are you going to piggyback another team to talk down on the Mavericks? Cuz Spur fan doesn't have any room to talk to daddy Mav fans.


I really couldnt give a shit who eliminates the Spurs, because in the end its all about the rings. Thats why I admire you talkin big talk and stompin your feet the way you do, being a Mavfan and all.

[dirk4mvp]

I really couldnt give a shit who eliminates the Spurs, because in the end its all about the rings. Thats why I admire you talkin big talk and stompin your feet the way you do, being a Mavfan and all.

Why wouldn't Mavfans talk shit to Spurfans? The Mavs own the Spurs. That'd be like Colt fan talking shit to Charger fan.

[mavs>spurs2]

i just got my dick sucked by some chick ive never even met before tonight.

how that relates to this thread is anyones guess

cool story bro

[mystargtr34]

Why wouldn't Mavfans talk shit to Spurfans? The Mavs own the Spurs. That'd be like Colt fan talking shit to Charger fan.

The Spurs own the Hornets. You see how stupid i sound? Since the Lakers ended up beating the Spurs ass in the WCF, and now just one year later no body remembers or gives a shit about the Spurs beating the Hornets.

[BUMP]

I really couldnt give a shit who eliminates the Spurs, because in the end its all about the rings. Thats why I admire you talkin big talk and stompin your feet the way you do, being a Mavfan and all.

Yeah, Its really hard talking shit on a message board to a team we've owned worse than i own a buffet line.

i have to take a deep breath every time i sign in :rolleyes

[holcs50]

Why wouldn't Mavfans talk shit to Spurfans? The Mavs own the Spurs. That'd be like Colt fan talking shit to Charger fan.

wow dirk4whoever, seen you on here but didn't think you are such a dumbass. And congrats mavfans you have some shit to talk you have beaten the spurs last year(spurs were awful) and in 06 (great series i have no excuses), but ya still have nothing to show, gosh golly darn it mavs fans, well fuck now what do we do to get you a chip? well darn your time has passed, don't talk to spursfans about ownage when your team has done shit, your best accomplishment was beating the spurs in 06, congrats. And do you really think the spurs would've lost to the heat that year? paaaa, you represented the WC well, cough cough fuckin cough. OT-PS, i like the analogy to the chargers-haha, chargers always own the stupid colts-but chargerfan only cares about beating the fucking cheating pats now, hope merriman puts brady out again-and also fatass roethlisberger

[BUMP]

i want 20 seconds of my life back after reading that senseless garbage

[Rogue]

wow dirk4whoever, seen you on here but didn't think you are such a dumbass. And congrats mavfans you have some shit to talk you have beaten the spurs last year(spurs were awful) and in 06 (great series i have no excuses), but ya still have nothing to show, gosh golly darn it mavs fans, well fuck now what do we do to get you a chip? well darn your time has passed, don't talk to spursfans about ownage when your team has done shit, your best accomplishment was beating the spurs in 06, congrats. And do you really think the spurs would've lost to the heat that year? paaaa, you represented the WC well, cough cough fuckin cough. OT-PS, i like the analogy to the chargers-haha, chargers always own the stupid colts-but chargerfan only cares about beating the fucking cheating pats now, hope merriman puts brady out again-and also fatass roethlisberger
The boys in blue shoulda been the CHAMPIONS that year. We just lost a rigged series to the Miami CHEAT. Well, I have to admit the Spurs were also assembled well and ALMOST as damn perfect as the boys in blue. Luck played a minor role in the western semi-finals that year and it stood on our side, but it wasn't something big enough to be used as an excuse by Spurs fans for their team being defeated. The boys in blue and Spurs in black&white were the best two teams in that season and both of them deserved to be champions, I mean, whichever team beat the other should be the champion and the winners of that series were the boys in blue.

[SpurCharger]

The Mavs Will Be A 4 or 5 Seed in the West, Behind Lakers, Spurs, Blazers, Jazz/Mavs....

[dirk4mvp]

blah blah blah blah blah

Thanks for that.

Hopefully LT will stop pussing out so the Charges might actually do something important.

[all_heart]

Mav fans talk a lot of shit for being so light in the ass!! Mavs own nothing.. Spurs own 4 trophies and a bunch of rings. So unless you count Finley because he was still on your payroll when the Spurs won..

[MavDynasty]

The Mavs Will Be A 4 or 5 Seed in the West, Behind Lakers, Spurs, Blazers, Jazz/Mavs....

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[all_heart]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

guess you are thinking 1st seed.. remember the last time you guys had the 1st seed. :lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Greg Oden]

guess you are thinking 1st seed.. remember the last time you guys had the 1st seed. :lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:lmao:lmao:lmao

hi warrior fan.

[MavDynasty]

guess you are thinking 1st seed.. remember the last time you guys had the 1st seed. :lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:lmao:lmao:lmao

Nah but I remember your Spurs being the one seed and losing in ot on your own home floor.

'nuff said.

[all_heart]

hi warrior fan.

just that series! :lol

[Greg Oden]

pathetic.

[all_heart]

Nah but I remember your Spurs being the one seed and losing in ot on your own home floor.

'nuff said.


Better than getting your asses whipped by a lowly 8th seed... nuf said!

[Greg Oden]

So what do you think about your warriors for the upcoming season?

[MavDynasty]

Better than getting your asses whipped by a lowly 8th seed... nuf said!

Damn, I guess you're still butthurt from 4-1.

[all_heart]

Not at all, but our ankles feel better and feel a little spry, so look out pony fan!

[djohn2oo8]

LMAO @ Mav fans who hold on tight to those wins against the spurs, and yet the Mavs don't have any rings to show for it

[MavDynasty]

LMAO @ Mav fans who hold on tight to those wins against the spurs, and yet the Mavs don't have any rings to show for it

Lol,how did it feel to lose your virginity after 10 years?


Too bad your team is going back to the shithole next season.

[all_heart]

LMAO @ Mav fans who hold on tight to those wins against the spurs, and yet the Mavs don't have any rings to show for it

tell me about it..

BTW are guys happy about the "Ariza-Artest trade"?

[RocketsDynasty]

LMAO @ Mav fans who hold on tight to those wins against the spurs, and yet the Mavs don't have any rings to show for it

Exactly, our 2nd round trophy is just as good as theirs.

[Greg Oden]

Why is a rocket fan in a thread where there's a discussion about teams that will be competitive this season?

[all_heart]

Lol,how did it feel to lose your virginity after 10 years?


Too bad your team is going back to the shithole next season.

At least they got 2 trophies! how many do you guys have?!:rollin

[MavDynasty]

Not at all, but our ankles feel better and feel a little spry, so look out pony fan!

lol spurs

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n21/afacelesssoldier/mavsscore2.jpg

[RocketsDynasty]

The Mavs Will Be A 4 or 5 Seed in the West, Behind Lakers, Spurs, Blazers, Jazz/Mavs....

I agree. The Mavs are so pathetic that they might finish one seed behind themselves. If the Mavs got the 4 and 5 seed, that series would be an infinite vortex of choking.

[djohn2oo8]

Why is a rocket fan in a thread where there's a discussion about teams that will be competitive this season?

The same could be said for Gred Oden

[Greg Oden]

The same could be said for Gred Oden

Not really, since the Blazers will actually be in the playoff hunt next year.

[djohn2oo8]

tell me about it..

BTW are guys happy about the "Ariza-Artest trade"?

Yeah, b/c we get younger, and more athletic

[djohn2oo8]

Lol,how did it feel to lose your virginity after 10 years?


Too bad your team is going back to the shithole next season.

2-0, Wade FTW 4 STRAIGHT TIMES......

[MavDynasty]

2-0, Wade FTW 4 STRAIGHT TIMES......

It kinda reminds me of you guys being up 2-0,only to lose by 40 in game 7.


Suck it bitch.

[RocketsDynasty]

2-0, Wade FTW 4 STRAIGHT TIMES......

You said it brother! Nothing beats living vicariously through other teams to enjoy watching the Mavs lose in the playoffs, since our team has never done it!

[djohn2oo8]

It kinda reminds me of you guys being up 2-0,only to lose by 40 in game 7.


Suck it bitch.

LMAO @ Mav fans who claimed the 2006 finals were rigged while they forget the 2005 series against the Rockets was refereed by none other than Tim Donaghy.......Rest on your laurels guys, if it helps you sleep at night

[MavDynasty]

lmao @ mav fans who claimed the 2006 finals were rigged while they forget the 2005 series against the rockets was refereed by none other than tim donaghy.......rest on your laurels guys, if it helps you sleep at night

116-76

[Greg Oden]

LMAO @ Mav fans who claimed the 2006 finals were rigged while they forget the 2005 series against the Rockets was refereed by none other than Tim Donaghy.......Rest on your laurels guys, if it helps you sleep at night

Maybe your gigantic gook should learn to set proper, non moving screens.

[djohn2oo8]

Maybe your gigantic gook should learn to set proper, non moving screens.

This coming from someone who is more fragile than Yao

[MavDynasty]

This coming from someone who is more fragile than Yao

lol rooting for 7'6 piece of ****

[Greg Oden]

lol getting owned by rogue at every opportunity.

[all_heart]

Mavs fans are some of most verbal abuses/haters on the planet, kind of reminds me of..

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=24419&title=the-playa-haters-ball

[MavDynasty]

Mavs fans are some of most verbal abuses/haters on the planet, kind of reminds me of..

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=24419&title=the-playa-haters-ball

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n21/afacelesssoldier/mavsscore2.jpg

[all_heart]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n21/afacelesssoldier/mavsscore2.jpg

So you admit.. your a hater!!

[djohn2oo8]

lol getting owned by rogue at every opportunity.

lol @ you thinking it is possible to get owned on a message board

[djohn2oo8]

lol rooting for 7'6 piece of ****

Lol rooting for a 7ft choker named Dirk

[dirk4mvp]

lol @ you thinking it is possible to get owned on a message board

It is possible. Rogue proves it every time.

[djohn2oo8]

It is possible. Rogue proves it every time.

LMAO @ Mav fans who think posting on a message board can really hurt someone's feelings :rollin

[Goran Dragic]

:lmao the people talking to Greg Oden like he really is Greg Oden.

[Findog]

I agree. The Mavs are so pathetic that they might finish one seed behind themselves. If the Mavs got the 4 and 5 seed, that series would be an infinite vortex of choking.

Excuse me, but why is Rocket fan even talking about choking? Why is Rocket fan giving Mav fan shit about choking?

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[Findog]

I agree. The Mavs are so pathetic that they might finish one seed behind themselves. If the Mavs got the 4 and 5 seed, that series would be an infinite vortex of choking.


An Open Letter to Rocket fan,

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Now Shut the Fuck Up.

Sincerely,

Findog

[Findog]

LMAO @ Mav fans who hold on tight to those wins against the spurs, and yet the Mavs don't have any rings to show for it

And you're too young to remember Clutch City and the Dream Shake, so you've never witnessed your team win a ring either.

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[Rogue]

LMAO @ Mav fans who think posting on a message board can really hurt someone's feelings :rollin
then how come you sneaked into this thread while ignoring my comments on you in another thread? Escapists can only blind themselves while their shitty faces still remain the same old disgusting portraits to the entire world.

[Rogue]

And you're too young to remember Clutch City and the Dream Shake, so you've never witnessed your team win a ring either.


that idiot is old enough to fuck his mom though. Presumably it's not his youth or innocence that makes him an idiot, that dude is probably even older than you and mono, or even you guys' ages combined.

No to mention being a Rockets FAN, I can pledge you that djohn2oo8 didn't even know shit about the NBA or the Rockets team in the several years of his pathetic life prior to 02's draft night where the Rockets wrongly selected a 7'6 piece of ****.

[djohn2oo8]

that idiot is old enough to fuck his mom though. Presumably it's not his youth or innocence that makes him an idiot, that dude is probably even older than you and mono, or even you guys' ages combined.

No to mention being a Rockets FAN, I can pledge you that djohn2oo8 didn't even know shit about the NBA or the Rockets team in the several years of his pathetic life prior to 02's draft night where the Rockets wrongly selected a 7'6 piece of ****.

Y7cG9NrfhM0

[Findog]

Y7cG9NrfhM0

Who the fuck are you talking to? Your team set the standard for choking. Your team choked against my team. Why are you commenting in this thread? You have nothing to add.

The only way Yao Ming or Tracy McGrady will ever get to a Finals is if they buy a ticket.

[djohn2oo8]

OJ13zhPOtu0

[Rogue]

You're being a dumbass right now just as what exactly you are supposed to be, youtube can never help cover your private body parts when you are already naked.

[Findog]

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[redzero]

The Spurs own the Hornets. You see how stupid i sound? Since the Lakers ended up beating the Spurs ass in the WCF, and now just one year later no body remembers or gives a shit about the Spurs beating the Hornets.

You call winning 8 out of the last 15 games "owning?"

[Findog]

There is no more Epic Fail than Rocket fan making fun of another team for choking and being soft.

[djohn2oo8]

P8Ul3NP6tKQ

[Findog]

^

:lmao


Where are the videos of the Rockets closing out all those 2-0 and 3-1 leads?

[Findog]

I was going to post the videos of the Rockets getting to the Finals and closing out all those series leads, but I couldn't find anything on youtube.

[BUMP]

Fans who claim that their team have championships mean nothing.

When the clock winds down to 0 and your team starts to celebrate. What do you do? You jump up and down and yell for like a minute. Then what? Does your life really change?

If your a fat cow and live in your mom's basement then you will still wake up the next day with pictures of Kim Kardashian on your right with your right hand ready to go.

[djohn2oo8]

I was going to post the videos of the Rockets getting to the Finals and closing out all those series leads, but I couldn't find anything on youtube.

i guess you didnt type in houston rockets championships

[redzero]

Fans who claim that their team have championships mean nothing.

When the clock winds down to 0 and your team starts to celebrate. What do you do? You jump up and down and yell for like a minute. Then what? Does your life really change?

If your a fat cow and live in your mom's basement then you will still wake up the next day with pictures of Kim Kardashian on your right with your right hand ready to go.

http://www.handicappedparkingforall.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/youreyour.jpg

[BUMP]

ok so Kori closes the NBA Forum for a little while, u apologize for it, and as soon as she reopens it you just continue the argument that caused it too close?

[djohn2oo8]

Fans who claim that their team have championships mean nothing.

When the clock winds down to 0 and your team starts to celebrate. What do you do? You jump up and down and yell for like a minute. Then what? Does your life really change?

If your a fat cow and live in your mom's basement then you will still wake up the next day with pictures of Kim Kardashian on your right with your right hand ready to go.

Championships can do alot for a city, or town.....The Saints going to the NFC championship game help to lift the spirits of New Orleans folks

[mavs>spurs2]

LMAO @ Mav fans who claimed the 2006 finals were rigged while they forget the 2005 series against the Rockets was refereed by none other than Tim Donaghy.......Rest on your laurels guys, if it helps you sleep at night

How can you rig the worst assraping in nba history? it's not like you guys barely lost because of some bad calls...it was brutal

[djohn2oo8]

How can you rig the worst assraping in nba history? it's not like you guys barely lost because of some bad calls...it was brutal

We can go back and forth on what happened, but I'll just say this, it was only brutal b/c Donaghy was there, and it was proven that it was fixed

[Findog]

We can go back and forth on what happened, but I'll just say this, it was only brutal b/c Donaghy was there, and it was proven that it was fixed

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

[mavs>spurs2]

We can go back and forth on what happened, but I'll just say this, it was only brutal b/c Donaghy was there, and it was proven that it was fixed

How can one ref account for that much of a disparity? 116-76. Do the math. Oh wait, you're an idiot. Sit down

[Findog]

How can one ref account for that much of a disparity? 116-76. Do the math. Oh wait, you're an idiot. Sit down

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

[KidCongo]

Fans who claim that their team have championships mean nothing.

When the clock winds down to 0 and your team starts to celebrate. What do you do? You jump up and down and yell for like a minute. Then what? Does your life really change?

If your a fat cow and live in your mom's basement then you will still wake up the next day with pictures of Kim Kardashian on your right with your right hand ready to go.

It does, you come on a forum and talk smack.

[djohn2oo8]

How can one ref account for that much of a disparity? 116-76. Do the math. Oh wait, you're an idiot. Sit down

They were set on taking Yao out of the game, and were left without anyone to clog the lane

[Greg Oden]

America, eatin' my lunch from a single bowl in my parents basement, where I'm livin'. Happy Birthday, I'm forty-three.

Don't want to waste those precious calories...chewin'. Jesus come move my jaw for me, help me get my sloppy food down my throat.

[Findog]

They were set on taking Yao out of the game, and were left without anyone to clog the lane

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

[djohn2oo8]

But its all moot now, continue on, one victory which did not lead to anything

[polysylab1k]

If you take the best player out of the game, and no one is left to clog the middle
Mike James was ejected in the blowout game, but I don't think he was the best player in Rocket jersey when T-Mac was also suited up for that game.

[Findog]

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii...and the Mavs asked the League office to start calling moving screens on Yao after the first two games. The League office reviewed the tapes of the first two games and agreed that Yao was moving on screens. That is all.

[polysylab1k]

But its all moot now, continue on, one victory which did not lead to anything
Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

[mavs>spurs2]

They were set on taking Yao out of the game, and were left without anyone to clog the lane

You ever stop and think that retardedly oversized people are slow and clumsy, and maybe he had late rotations and committed some bad fouls? Not to mention he was setting moving screens all series long

[Findog]

Barack Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

[djohn2oo8]

I think Van Gundy was fined $125,000 for complaining about the officials

[Findog]

You ever stop and think that retardedly oversized people are slow and clumsy, and maybe he had late rotations and committed some bad fouls?

It's like arguing with the Birthers. You can show them the edition of the Honululu Advertiser with the Obama birth announcement from the day he was born and they won't change their minds. There's nothing you can say to people who have a psychological need to not accept reality.

[Findog]

I think Van Gundy was fined $125,000 for complaining about the officials

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

[djohn2oo8]

You ever stop and think that retardedly oversized people are slow and clumsy, and maybe he had late rotations and committed some bad fouls? Not to mention he was setting moving screens all series long

Possibly, but he wasn't the only one.....anyway, I'll let that game go

[mavs>spurs2]

I think Van Gundy was fined $125,000 for complaining about the officials

Mark Cuban's been fined in the millions. It's a conspiracy. 2006 champs faggots

[BUMP]

Karma is a bitch that never works in Yao's favor.

Even if he didn't set illegal screens, he'd probably break his femur if he started setting legal ones so it all balances out

[djohn2oo8]

Mark Cuban's been fined in the millions. It's a conspiracy. 2006 champs faggots

Congrats, 2006 NBA Champions Dallas Mavericks, but unfortunately your rings are in Miami

[polysylab1k]

I think Van Gundy was fined $125,000 for complaining about the officials
Since becoming the owner of an NBA team, Mark Cuban has been fined 10 times more than the value of Jeff Van Gundy, which is roughly reckoned 3 million in total.

[djohn2oo8]

Karma is a bitch that never works in Yao's favor.

Even if he didn't set illegal screens, he'd probably break his femur if he started setting legal ones so it all balances out

Wish Yao would just retire

[polysylab1k]

Congrats, 2006 NBA Champions Dallas Mavericks, but unfortunately your rings are in Miami
Barack Obama was indeed born in Hawaii.

[djohn2oo8]

Since becoming the owner of an NBA team, Mark Cuban has been fined 10 times more than the value of Jeff Van Gundy, which is roughly reckoned 3 million in total.

for complaining?

[redzero]

Where was Barack Obama born again?

[polysylab1k]

for complaining?
Cuban would have been bankrupted by the bills had he been as cheap as the owner of Rockets team.

[Findog]

Where was Barack Obama born again?

The Houston Rockets choked away a 2-0 series lead in the 2005 Western Quarterfinals against the Dallas Mavericks.