Ex-Rockets Guard Wafer Signs With Olympiakos

[ChumpDumper]

The upper decks of the Palalido in Milano appear to have bench seating.

http://www.sangabasket.com/News/Upload/palalido1.jpg

I hereby bash the Palalido.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If you have newer pictures of those small arenas, post them. I posted the picture of Maroussi's arena from their website.

No one has those pictures. Are you serious? This is the ONLY guy that went over whole of Hellas to get them and it took him years. And this is one of reasons of course why site will be naturally outdated. Also there is teams and arenas on islands. You need a ferry and all this crap to get there.

Please do not make me laugh.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The upper decks of the Palalido in Milano appear to have bench seating.

http://www.sangabasket.com/News/Upload/palalido1.jpg

I hereby bash the Palalido.

Why don't you bash some of the old POS NBA arenas? Of course in your world view every NBA arena is perfect and the best and better than any other arena outside of US. Of course most NBA arenas are not even that good.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I tried to find a small arena in the ACB to bash, but they all hold at least 5,000 people. Nevertheless, if I find a picture of bleacher seating or plastic patio furniture in another upper level league's venue, rest assured it will be bashed.

RACIST

If a Greek arena has even 20,000 capacity you bash it, there is something wrong with it, it is a "barn" a "high school gym" but a low 5,000 Spanish arena and there is "nothing to bash".

You are not even clever.

[Mel_13]

No one has those pictures. Are you serious? This is the ONLY guy that went over whole of Hellas to get them and it took him years. And this is one of reasons of course why site will be naturally outdated. Also there is teams and arenas on islands. You need a ferry and all this crap to get there.

Please do not make me laugh.

The pictures of the Panellinios facility are from November, 2008

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The pictures of the Panellinios facility are from November, 2008

Bull shit. Panellinios arena has a different parking lot, a different field and a different row of seats.

In the first place actually it has been changed TWO times since those pictures.

[ChumpDumper]

No one has those pictures. Are you serious? This is the ONLY guy that went over whole of Hellas to get them and it took him years. And this is one of reasons of course why site will be naturally outdated. Also there is teams and arenas on islands. You need a ferry and all this crap to get there.

Please do not make me laugh.So no one in Greece has cameras.

There is no photographic record of any game that has been played in a renovated arena.

No one actually attends games or covers them for the vaunted Greek media can take a picture.

Do you realize what you are saying?

[Mel_13]

Bull shit. Panellinios arena has a different parking lot, a different field and a different row of seats.

In the first place actually it has been changed TWO times since those pictures.


prove it

[manufan10]

RACIST

If a Greek arena has even 20,000 capacity you bash it, there is something wrong with it, it is a "barn" a "high school gym" but a low 5,000 Spanish arena and there is "nothing to bash".

You are not even clever.

I would think that if a guy from Spain was trying to pimp out the Spanish league to have the best players, they would get dumped on too, IMO.

[manufan10]

prove it

He can't and he won't.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So no one in Greece has cameras.

There is no photographic record of any game that has been played in a renovated arena.

No one actually attends games or covers them for the vaunted Greek media can take a picture.

Do you realize what you are saying?

They have TV in Hellas too you know. Of course you probably think they don't considering all the horrible things you say about Greece.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I would think that if a guy from Spain was trying to pimp out the Spanish league to have the best players, they would get dumped on too, IMO.

NBA fans = arrogant

Spanish fans = arrogant

They are both just as arrogant and just as full of shit.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

prove it

Prove all the endless lies you posted so far in this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Why don't you bash some of the old POS NBA arenas?If the Spurs still played in Hemisfair arena, I would bash it. Hell, if they still played in the Alamodome I would bash it because that place sucked for basketball. I would guess the Bradley Center and Arco Arena are currently the shittiest venues in the NBA, but they are nowhere as shitty as the shitty little Greek and Italian ones pictured in this thread.

The Greek teams still play in shitty little arenas with bench seats and patio furniture. Nothing you have posted refutes this.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

He can't and he won't.

They have rules in Greek League for arenas. Panellinios arena had to be renovated twice before they could play there. After that the club itself changed some things because they have a very rich ownership now.

[Mel_13]

They have TV in Hellas too you know. Of course you probably think they don't considering all the horrible things you say about Greece.

They must be televising those games in Greece. The fans sure aren't attending those Eurocup games in person.

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[manufan10]

Kill_Bill_Pana = arrogant

He is just as arrogant and just as full of shit.

[ChumpDumper]

They have TV in Hellas too you know. Of course you probably think they don't considering all the horrible things you say about Greece.So you're saying there is video of the newly improved small shitty Greek arenas.

Post them.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If the Spurs still played in Hemisfair arena, I would bash it. Hell, if they still played in the Alamodome I would bash it because that place sucked for basketball. I would guess the Bradley Center and Arco Arena are currently the shittiest venues in the NBA, but they are nowhere as shitty as the shitty little Greek and Italian ones pictured in this thread.

The Greek teams still play in shitty little arenas with bench seats and patio furniture. Nothing you have posted refutes this.

In other words you are an Imperialst scum.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

They must be televising those games in Greece. The fans sure aren't attending those Eurocup games in person.

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666 your true number

[Mel_13]

They have rules in Greek League for arenas. Panellinios arena had to be renovated twice before they could play there. After that the club itself changed some things because they have a very rich ownership now.

Rules which allow half of the teams to play their home Greek League games in facilities that seat less than 3000 fans.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

manufan = angry that his racism is getting complaints

[mogrovejo]

Panellinios play their Greek game home games in their small arena. They may have changed the parking lot and painted the field with new sponsors, but there were no major changes. I think it seats 1,500 fans. They play their games in the Helliniko arena in the old airport (that, btw, it's one of the nicest arenas I've ever visited, Europe or America).

Who cares about the capacity of the Greek Arenas? Except in some games with the major teams, especially in the Euroleague, there are only a few hundred of guys actually seeing them. I think the A1 average attendance last season was less than 2.000 per game.

[Mel_13]

666 your true number

That would represent a 50% attendance increase for Panellionis home Eurocup games.

[ChumpDumper]

Here is a very large picture of Varese's team from last year standing in front of their endcourt bleachers. They are in A1 this season

http://www.marketingjournal.it/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/atomic-squadra-pallacanestro-varese-cimberio.jpg

Consider them bashed.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Rules which allow half of the teams to play their home Greek League games in facilities that seat less than 3000 fans.

"Facilities" = racist propaganda

But I see you are trying to get more "clever" with your racism now. You must be getting worried. But still your attempts are very small brained.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That would represent a 50% attendance increase for Panellionis home Eurocup games.

Another lie. I already told you in Greece season tickets are banned from being counted. Panellinios sold ALL season tickets every year. You stupid jerk.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So you're saying there is video of the newly improved small shitty Greek arenas.

Post them.

You fool I am saying that on TV you can watch the game, see the arena see the changes and even be told of the capacities. Which also by the way are all almost all of them wrong on that site.

[Mel_13]

"Facilities" = racist propaganda


You're really losing it now.

[manufan10]

manufan = angry that his racism is getting complaints

Kill_Bill_Pana, I'm not angry. I'm also not being a racist. If I am, prove it. Again, don't be so selective. You are the arrogant one. You are the one who has incessantly called me out for no apparent reason. I've only tried to keep my posts civilized. Still you persist to call me out and insult me. When I continue to post in a civil manner you ignore it. Again, prove that I've been racist, ignorant, or arrogant in any of my posts. Prove that I've been insulting, using bad language or any of the like.

[ChumpDumper]

Another lie. I already told you in Greece season tickets are banned from being counted. Panellinios sold ALL season tickets every year. You stupid jerk.So how many tickets are ALL?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Panellinios play their Greek game home games in their small arena. They may have changed the parking lot and painted the field with new sponsors, but there were no major changes. I think it seats 1,500 fans. They play their games in the Helliniko arena in the old airport (that, btw, it's one of the nicest arenas I've ever visited, Europe or America).

Who cares about the capacity of the Greek Arenas? Except in some games with the major teams, especially in the Euroleague, there are only a few hundred of guys actually seeing them. I think the A1 average attendance last season was less than 2.000 per game.

Again they do NOT count season tickets at the gate. They also NEVER count the soccer tickets at the gate from people who see a soccer match. The attendance is far FAR more than 2,000.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So how many tickets are ALL?

1,200 season tickets. So NBA "attendance" means they had 1,200 for EVERY game. But Mel is so stupid that he can't even count.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Panellinios play their Greek game home games in their small arena. They may have changed the parking lot and painted the field with new sponsors, but there were no major changes. I think it seats 1,500 fans. They play their games in the Helliniko arena in the old airport (that, btw, it's one of the nicest arenas I've ever visited, Europe or America).

Who cares about the capacity of the Greek Arenas? Except in some games with the major teams, especially in the Euroleague, there are only a few hundred of guys actually seeing them. I think the A1 average attendance last season was less than 2.000 per game.

But posters here said several times the arena is only 800. They then claim "I never lied"

[Mel_13]

Another lie. I already told you in Greece season tickets are banned from being counted. Panellinios sold ALL season tickets every year. You stupid jerk.

So they sold out their 1200 seat arena for their Greek League home games with season tickets?

And they're 'banned' from including the number of season tickets when they report total attendance?

By that logic, reported total attendance would be zero for every one of their home Greek League games.

Now you've told some big fibs in your time, but this is a good one.

If you can produce any reputable public source that shows reported attendance of zero for any Panellionis home Greek League game, I will never post in a thread after you have posted ever again.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Kill_Bill_Pana, I'm not angry. I'm also not being a racist. If I am, prove it. Again, don't be so selective. You are the arrogant one. You are the one who has incessantly called me out for no apparent reason. I've only tried to keep my posts civilized. Still you persist to call me out and insult me. When I continue to post in a civil manner you ignore it. Again, prove that I've been racist, ignorant, or arrogant in any of my posts. Prove that I've been insulting, using bad language or any of the like.

Ignorance is bliss. You are ignorant so because of that you cannot grasp the truth.

[ChumpDumper]

1,200 season tickets. So NBA "attendance" means they had 1,200 for EVERY game. But Mel is so stupid that he can't even count.So you're saying they counted actual attendance and not tickets sold.

Ok.

Even if you added 1,200 to all the Eurocup attendance figures, they would still suck.

2,000 people in a 15,000 seat arena sucks.

They are better off staying in their shitty small arena -- which is precisely what they do for their own league games.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So they sold out their 1200 seat arena for their Greek League home games with season tickets?

And they're 'banned' from including the number of season tickets when they report total attendance?

By that logic, reported total attendance would be zero for every one of their home Greek League games.

Now you've told some big fibs in your time, but this is a good one.

If you can produce any reputable public source that shows reported attendance of zero for any Panellionis home Greek League game, I will never post in a thread after you have posted ever again.

You clearly are retarded.

[ChumpDumper]

But posters here said several times the arena is only 800.No one ever said that -- not that I saw. I certainly didn't.
They then claim "I never lied"They can truthfully claim they never said capacity of 800.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So you're saying they counted actual attendance and not tickets sold.

Ok.

Even if you added 1,200 to all the Eurocup attendance figures, they would still suck.

2,000 people in a 15,000 seat arena sucks.

They are better off staying in their shitty small arena -- which is precisely what they do for their own league games.

Like I said Euroleague and Eurocupo have rules. 5,000 minimum arena. Panellinios is not better off to ignore this because that means they are not having a good record every year.

But then Mountainballer had to jump in with his lies to start a fight in another thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Like I said Euroleague and Eurocupo have rules. 5,000 minimum arena. Panellinios is not better off to ignore this because that means they are not having a good record every year.So their attendance in the large arena sucks.

Ok.

[DPG21920]

KBP, the moderator has just informed me that you will be permanently banned for your continuing lies, foul mouth and bashing of Americans.

The moderators have heard the case I have made against you and agreed with me over you. I wanted to give you fair warning, man to man. Sorry it had to come to this, but you would not stop and what you did was clearly wrong.

If you apologize and clean up your act, I might consider having them change their minds. If not, you will be banned, probably in the next few days as they mods put together their case against you.

Sorry it had to come to this. I love Greece Basketball.

[Mel_13]

You clearly are retarded.

You said the low reported attendance figures are due to a 'ban' on including season tickets in reported totals.

You said they sold 1200 season tickets.

They have a 1200 seat arena.

Using the information you provided, the logical conclusion is that when the 1200 season ticket holders take their seats in the 1200 arena, the official attendance would be reported as zero.

Bizarre conclusions can result when they are based on information that you provide, but there it is.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

No one ever said that -- not that I saw. I certainly didn't.They can truthfully claim they never said capacity of 800.

There was a post that said they have 800 arena. The actual capacity is something like 1,500 to 1,700 to maybe 2,000 probably.

Let me put it like this. Maroussi arena is listed at the stadia.gr as 1,350 and eurobasket.com says 1,700. I would have to look at ESAKE and at Maroussi basket for more listings.

But I am sure they are all saying something like 1,300 to 1,700.

But the fact is these arenas add small amount of seats gradually over time. About once every couple years Maroussi adds some seats. Definitely the arena is able to hold over 2,000 people now but will you see this listed anywhere?

You NBA fans are absurdly arrogant and racist and have bizarre and strange fixations and ideas. And you force your world view and your culture onto everything else. Maybe in US how big your arena is means you are a better team but it does not mean shit in Greece.

No one cares to go make websites posting daily images and capacities of arenas because no one is so stupid and brain washed by bull shit marketing to believe that arena size = "pro basketball" like all NBA fans are brain washed and are disturbed really on this subject.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You said the low reported attendance figures are due to a 'ban' on including season tickets in reported totals.

You said they sold 1200 season tickets.

They have a 1200 seat arena.

Using the information you provided, the logical conclusion is that when the 1200 season ticket holders take their seats in the 1200 arena, the official attendance would be reported as zero.

Bizarre conclusions can result when they are based on information that you provide, but there it is.

Chumpdumper is obviously much smarter than you.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So their attendance in the large arena sucks.

Ok.

In never argued this. You only make up any "facts" to support your false "arguments".

Of course the attendance in a different area and during the same times when Panionios, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos are all playing in European games in Athens is a problem.

5 teams from Athens in the games.

Are you telling me that San Antonio would sell out NBA games if it had 5 NBA teams in the city? I guess in your world "view" this means "Greeks don't attend basketball games".

You show may anywhere that will sell out FIVE games for the same city.

[Spursfan092120]

Chumpdumper is obviously much smarter than you.
http://static.open.salon.com/files/douchebag1243519591.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

But the fact is these arenas add small amount of seats gradually over time. About once every couple years Maroussi adds some seats. Definitely the arena is able to hold over 2,000 people now but will you see this listed anywhere?Maroussi says on their own website they don't hold that much.


You NBA fans are absurdly arrogant and racist and have bizarre and strange fixations and ideas. And you force your world view and your culture onto everything else. Maybe in US how big your arena is means you are a better team but it does not mean shit in Greece.I said nothing about the quality of the teams. That is your strange fixation. My criteria for a good first division arena are pretty straightforward:

1) Hold more than 3,000 people.

2) No bench seating.

3) No patio furniture.


No one cares to go make websites posting daily images and capacities of arenas because no one is so stupid and brain washed by bull shit marketing to believe that arena size = "pro basketball" like all NBA fans are brain washed and are disturbed really on this subject.Who asked for daily images?

No one.

You lied about that.

I asked for a shot of the arena, any shot, that had been taken in the last year -- you know, when these alleged basketball games were played.

[ChumpDumper]

In never argued this. You only make up any "facts" to support your false "arguments".

Of course the attendance in a different area and during the same times when Panionios, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos are all playing in European games in Athens is a problem.

5 teams from Athens in the games.

Are you telling me that San Antonio would sell out NBA games if it had 5 NBA teams in the city? I guess in your world "view" this means "Greeks don't attend basketball games".

You show may anywhere that will sell out FIVE games for the same city.In my world view, Greeks are stupid to have that many huge venues in the city that no one wants to rent unless they are forced to by competition rules.

Stick to the small shitty ones.

[ChumpDumper]

Hey! I finally found a Spanish arena I can bash!

http://estaticos01.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundodeporte/especiales/2005/10/liga_acb/equipos/img/pabellones/nou-congost.jpg

Take that, Nou Congost!

[DPG21920]

KBP, the moderator has just informed me that you will be permanently banned for your continuing lies, foul mouth and bashing of Americans.

The moderators have heard the case I have made against you and agreed with me over you. I wanted to give you fair warning, man to man. Sorry it had to come to this, but you would not stop and what you did was clearly wrong.

If you apologize and clean up your act, I might consider having them change their minds. If not, you will be banned, probably in the next few days as they mods put together their case against you.

Sorry it had to come to this. I love Greece Basketball.

Do you not see this KBP? Still you continue with the insults and lies in the face of permanent ban? Unreal.

[Mel_13]

So riddle me this Billy.

You say that the reported attendance at games held in Greece does not include season ticket holders. OK

Panathinaikos is one of the two most popular basketball teams in Greece. They play their home games in a basketball palace with a capacity of over 18000. Surely if Panellinios has sold 1200 season tickets, then Panathinaikos must have sold several times that number.

So, then how is it possible that the reported attendance for this Euroleague playoff game was 18000? If 18000 non season ticket holders attended the game, where did the thousands of loyal season ticket go to see this game?

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamenumber=17&gamecode=171&phasetypecode=PO

[Rappin' V-Span]

http://www.stadia.gr/marousi/marousi2.jpg


This is a beautiful court. I wish I could play in there instead of my gym :depressed

[ChumpDumper]

Another!

http://www.codemadeporte.com/intranet/documentos/eventos/PolideportivoPisuerga.jpg

Don't try to weasel out of this one on a technicality, Polideportivo Pisuerga!

[Rappin' V-Span]

KBP, also I am very upset and sad at you. You have the ability to be best poster on site, but now you have turned into the very thing we Greeks hate about America.

I cannot believe I clicked you to be my friend and you have changed.

[manufan10]

Ignorance is bliss. You are ignorant so because of that you cannot grasp the truth.

:lol

I'm the ignorant one, but you cannot find a single post of me insulting you or the Greek. Yet you still insult me. Nice one genius. :tu

[manufan10]

Another!

http://www.codemadeporte.com/intranet/documentos/eventos/PolideportivoPisuerga.jpg

Don't try to weasel out of this one on a technicality, Polideportivo Pisuerga!

It looks like they're sitting on a portable toilet. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

So riddle me this Billy.

You say that the reported attendance at games held in Greece does not include season ticket holders. OK

Panathinaikos is one of the two most popular basketball teams in Greece. They play their home games in a basketball palace with a capacity of over 18000. Surely if Panellinios has sold 1200 season tickets, then Panathinaikos must have sold several times that number.

So, then how is it possible that the reported attendance for this Euroleague playoff game was 18000? If 18000 non season ticket holders attended the game, where did the thousands of loyal season ticket go to see this game?

http://www.euroleague.net/main/results/showgame?gamenumber=17&gamecode=171&phasetypecode=POThey set up some patio furniture and a 27 inch TV in the abandoned Olympic pool.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/18/article-1036373-0200C45500000578-729_233x423.jpg

[Mel_13]

They set up some patio furniture and a 27 inch TV in the abandoned Olympic pool.



You're on a roll:lol

[Rappin' V-Span]

I want to say my mind ST:

KBP's future is looking bleak
But don't judge him for all us Greeks
Most are cool, he used to be
Who cares if I ball in a gym you used in grade 3

Lies and insults they must be quit
Greece is 130,800 SQ KM
Come see all of it

I know we can make it
If we all get along
V-Span raps with his heart
Not with his dong

[kamikazi_player]

I want to say my mind ST:

KBP's future is looking bleak
But don't judge him for all us Greeks
Most are cool, he used to be
Who cares if I ball in a gym you used in grade 3

Lies and insults they must be quit
Greece is 130,800 SQ KM
Come see all of it

I know we can make it
If we all get along
V-Span raps with his heart
Not with his dong
Damn, where's epic fail, he's been absent lately

[fo'shizzle]

Can you read? EVERY team has to pay it. Your reasoning level is scary. If a team defaults then another team pays it. EVERY team pays it. It is not like NBA where they let the poor NBA owners not pay the fee. Because half of them are bankrupted in NBA. And NBA players already have to give 9% of their checks back to the owners so the league can stay from bankruptcy. Greek league is not in same financial mess like NBA.

Fucking Greek Lies!!! :lol

[Banzai]

I want to say my mind ST:

KBP's future is looking bleak
But don't judge him for all us Greeks
Most are cool, he used to be
Who cares if I ball in a gym you used in grade 3

Lies and insults they must be quit
Greece is 130,800 SQ KM
Come see all of it

I know we can make it
If we all get along
V-Span raps with his heart
Not with his dong

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/pacsmh.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=4003)

[mogrovejo]

Again they do NOT count season tickets at the gate. They also NEVER count the soccer tickets at the gate from people who see a soccer match. The attendance is far FAR more than 2,000.

What's this counting season tickets is banned crap? Are you serious? What the heck does that mean? Hey, you can't possibly know, but we've been broadcasting A1 games in Eurosport2 all last season. Easy to check how many people are actually in the stands.

Here's the average attendance in Europe per league:

League 2008/2009 2007/2008 Difference
1 SPAIN (ACB) 6988,12 6387,0 9,41%
2 ITALY (Lega) 3862,13 3740,8 3,24%
3 GERMANY (BBL) 3666,15 3469,7 5,66%
4 FRANCE (ProA) 3564,94 3503,6 1,75%
5 RUSSIA (Superlg) 2394,10 2276,8 5,15%
6 ITALY (LegaDue) 2377,00 2340,0 1,58%
7 SPAIN (LEB Gold) 2159,72 2944,4 -26,65%
8 BALTIC (Elite) 2118,00 2239,0 -5,40%
9 ADRIATIC League 2069,99 1179,6 75,48%
10 FRANCE (ProB) 1779,56 1720,0 3,46%
11 ISRAEL 1670,0
12 GREECE 1428,53 1228,3 16,30%

[mogrovejo]

For clubs.

Teams Average League Change
1 CAI Zaragoza 10263,0 ACB 0,62%
2 ALBA BERLIN 9360,0 Bundesliga 35,50%
3 TAU Cerámica 9231,0 ACB 6,98%
4 MMT Estudiantes 8962,0 ACB -7,04%
5 Unicaja Malaga 8753,0 ACB -4,36%
6 Real Madrid 8587,0 ACB -3,70%
7 Bruesa GBC 8294,0 ACB 31,65%
8 Pamesa Valencia 7443,0 ACB 8,44%
9 CB Granada 7406,0 ACB -1,23%
10 DKV Joventut 7340,0 ACB -5,22%
11 La Fortezza 6767,3 Lega -3,17%
12 Brose Baskets 6588,2 Bundesliga -4,03%
13 Iurbentia Bilbao 6506,0 ACB 13,21%
14 Maccabi Tel Aviv 6091,0 Israel Premier
15 Cajasol 5950,0 ACB 11,15%
16 Zadar 5772,7 Adriatic League
17 Scavolini Spar 5507,7 Lega -14,57%
18 ViveMenorca 5350,0 ACB 0,75%
19 SLUC Nancy 5310,0 ProA
20 Alta Gestión 5255,0 ACB 3,06%
Source (http://www.ballineurope.com/countries/spain/cai-zaragoza-tops-the-club-ranking-again/)

No greek clubs in the top-20. Or 30.

There's Olympiacos in 36th spot (3,900 fans per game), Panathinaikos is 57th (3,100 fans per game), PAOK 73th (2,800 per game), Aris 75th, Kolossos 137th, Olympia 178th and Kavala 184th (1,089 per game). None of the other greek teams average an attendance superior to 1,000 fans per game.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What's this counting season tickets is banned crap? Are you serious? What the heck does that mean? Hey, you can't possibly know, but we've been broadcasting A1 games in Eurosport2 all last season. Easy to check how many people are actually in the stands.

Here's the average attendance in Europe per league:

League 2008/2009 2007/2008 Difference
1 SPAIN (ACB) 6988,12 6387,0 9,41%
2 ITALY (Lega) 3862,13 3740,8 3,24%
3 GERMANY (BBL) 3666,15 3469,7 5,66%
4 FRANCE (ProA) 3564,94 3503,6 1,75%
5 RUSSIA (Superlg) 2394,10 2276,8 5,15%
6 ITALY (LegaDue) 2377,00 2340,0 1,58%
7 SPAIN (LEB Gold) 2159,72 2944,4 -26,65%
8 BALTIC (Elite) 2118,00 2239,0 -5,40%
9 ADRIATIC League 2069,99 1179,6 75,48%
10 FRANCE (ProB) 1779,56 1720,0 3,46%
11 ISRAEL 1670,0
12 GREECE 1428,53 1228,3 16,30%

Season tickets are NOT counted in Greece. You would know that if you really were from Europe.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

For clubs.

Teams Average League Change
1 CAI Zaragoza 10263,0 ACB 0,62%
2 ALBA BERLIN 9360,0 Bundesliga 35,50%
3 TAU Cerámica 9231,0 ACB 6,98%
4 MMT Estudiantes 8962,0 ACB -7,04%
5 Unicaja Malaga 8753,0 ACB -4,36%
6 Real Madrid 8587,0 ACB -3,70%
7 Bruesa GBC 8294,0 ACB 31,65%
8 Pamesa Valencia 7443,0 ACB 8,44%
9 CB Granada 7406,0 ACB -1,23%
10 DKV Joventut 7340,0 ACB -5,22%
11 La Fortezza 6767,3 Lega -3,17%
12 Brose Baskets 6588,2 Bundesliga -4,03%
13 Iurbentia Bilbao 6506,0 ACB 13,21%
14 Maccabi Tel Aviv 6091,0 Israel Premier
15 Cajasol 5950,0 ACB 11,15%
16 Zadar 5772,7 Adriatic League
17 Scavolini Spar 5507,7 Lega -14,57%
18 ViveMenorca 5350,0 ACB 0,75%
19 SLUC Nancy 5310,0 ProA
20 Alta Gestión 5255,0 ACB 3,06%
Source (http://www.ballineurope.com/countries/spain/cai-zaragoza-tops-the-club-ranking-again/)

No greek clubs in the top-20. Or 30.

There's Olympiacos in 36th spot (3,900 fans per game), Panathinaikos is 57th (3,100 fans per game), PAOK 73th (2,800 per game), Aris 75th, Kolossos 137th, Olympia 178th and Kavala 184th (1,089 per game). None of the other greek teams average an attendance superior to 1,000 fans per game.

Are you a fucking retard? They do not count season tickets in Greece you jackass.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The OWNER of the website that this idiot is giving the source CONFIRMS Greece is only league that does not count season tickets.

Damn there are some idiots on these forums.

[Mel_13]

Help us understand.

Given the following scenario:

-1000 season ticketholders

-500 of the season ticketholders actually attend the game and 500 no-show

-500 tickets sold at the gate-all of which attend the game

What is the announced/reported attendance for the game?

A. 500 (individual game tickets sold)

B. 1000 (actual attendees)

C. 1500 (total tickets sold)

D. Some other number (please explain)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Help us understand.

Given the following scenario:

-1000 season ticketholders

-500 of the season ticketholders actually attend the game and 500 no-show

-500 tickets sold at the gate-all of which attend the game

What is the announced/reported attendance for the game?

A. 500 (individual game tickets sold)

B. 1000 (actual attendees)

C. 1500 (total tickets sold)

D. Some other number (please explain)


WTF is wrong with you? A little kid should be able to figure it out.

[Mel_13]

WTF is wrong with you? A little kid should be able to figure it out.

Why can't you just answer a question without insults?

As you have said, the Greek League reports attendance differently than any other league. I can only guess from what you have said before that the answer is either tickets sold at the gate or actual number of attendees. It seems clear that no-show season ticketholder are not counted.

If you will answer the question, we can all be on the same sheet of music.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow, Spain really kicks Greece's ass.

[BlackBellamy]

Wow, Spain really kicks Greece's hairy, gay ass.

fixed. As per the informative descriptions that I'd heard of Greece in some other thread.

Ya looks like Espana's basketball has the very best professional teams in Europe.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Why can't you just answer a question without insults?

As you have said, the Greek League reports attendance differently than any other league. I can only guess from what you have said before that the answer is either tickets sold at the gate or actual number of attendees. It seems clear that no-show season ticketholder are not counted.

If you will answer the question, we can all be on the same sheet of music.

This is how it works. Only people in the gate is counted. But also even people in the gate will NOT be counted if they come from the soccer games. In Greece if you go to a home soccer game of your club and then also there is a basketball home game then you are only counted in soccer attendance but you can also attend the basketball game.

Just in one game last year Panathinaikos had 13,000 fans from the soccer game at the basketball game and none were counted for the basketball game attendance.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

fixed. As per the informative descriptions that I'd heard of Greece in some other thread.

Ya looks like Espana's basketball has the very best professional teams in Europe.


Attendnce = how good a team is ? :blah:rollin:rolleyes:nope

[ChumpDumper]

This is how it works. Only people in the gate is counted. But also even people in the gate will NOT be counted if they come from the soccer games. In Greece if you go to a home soccer game of your club and then also there is a basketball home game then you are only counted in soccer attendance but you can also attend the basketball game.

Just in one game last year Panathinaikos had 13,000 fans from the soccer game at the basketball game and none were counted for the basketball game attendance.So they don't pay to watch the basketball games, just soccer.

[Spursfan092120]

lol 92-69
lol 108-77

lol Greece

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So they don't pay to watch the basketball games, just soccer.


I take it back you are also an idiot.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

lol 92-69
lol 108-77

lol Greece

WTF is this bull shit?

2004 Olympics

USA 77 - Greece 71

2006 World Championship

Greece 101 - USA 95

2008 Olympics

USA 92 - Greece 69

Stop making up your pathetic lies.

[Spursfan092120]

WTF is this bull shit?

2004 Olympics

USA 77 - Greece 71

2006 World Championship

Greece 101 - USA 95

2008 Olympics

USA 92 - Greece 69

Stop making up your pathetic lies.
Pathetic lies? Shit, boy..don't you even know your own team's scores? 92-69..olympics..World University Games, USA beats Greece 108-77. I could also say 88-80, if you'd like...would that be better?

[manufan10]

This is still going on?? :lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Pathetic lies? Shit, boy..don't you even know your own team's scores? 92-69..olympics..World University Games, USA beats Greece 108-77. I could also say 88-80, if you'd like...would that be better?

World University Games?

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I take it back you are also an idiot.I'd say the Greeks are idiots if they can't keep a count of who walks through the doors of their arenas.

[Mel_13]

Greece is currently hosting a 4-team tourney leading up to the Euro championships. Host nation plus Russia, serbia, and Lithuania. They are playing in the Olympic Arena (18000+).

Greece v. defending Euro champs Russia right now. Wait for a long view from under the basket or a high view during a time out. Estimate the attendance for yourselves.

http://www.justin.tv/imtestingagain

[manufan10]

I'd say the Greeks are idiots if they can't keep a count of who walks through the doors of their arenas.

Ok that's 1,2... damn.. hold on I have to start over.. 1,2,3... CRAP!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Greece is currently hosting a 4-team tourney leading up to the Euro championships. Host nation plus Russia, serbia, and Lithuania. They are playing in the Olympic Arena (18000+).

Greece v. defending Euro champs Russia right now. Wait for a long view from under the basket or a high view during a time out. Estimate the attendance for yourselves.

http://www.justin.tv/imtestingagain

That arena is 20,000 plus you idiot.

[Indazone]

This thread is hilarious! +1000

And it never gets old.

[ChumpDumper]

That arena is 20,000 plus you idiot.Right, and there are like 3,000 people in the stands.

I know, I can't count the invisible season ticket holders.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Right, and there are like 3,000 people in the stands.

I know, I can't count the invisible season ticket holders.

1,000 dumb ass. You NEVER EVER get any facts right.


There are fires near there idiot. The fires are all the way to the edge of north part of Athens area. That is exactly where OAKA arena is at idiot. Hardly anyone is even allowed around. It was just people related to the game in some way that was allowed in there you tool.

[ChumpDumper]

1,000 dumb ass. You NEVER EVER get any facts right.You're saying there's only 1,000 people watching the game in a 20,000 seat arena?

I stand corrected. :lmao



There are fires near there idiot. The fires are all the way to the edge of north part of Athens area. That is exactly where OAKA arena is at idiot. Hardly anyone is even allowed around. It was just people related to the game in some way that was allowed in there you tool.There were 1,000 people related to the game?

:rollin

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You're saying there's only 1,000 people watching the game in a 20,000 seat arena?

I stand corrected. :lmao


There were 1,000 people related to the game?

:rollin

There are 4 national teams playing there dumb ass. All the press from 4 countries, all the basketball systems people on all levels of 4 countries, all the families of all the players and so forth. You have established you are an ignorant moron. So just keep confirming it every day like you always do.

[ChumpDumper]

Thousands!

[DPG21920]

What is the reasoning or benefit of them not being able to count the season ticket holders?

[Mel_13]

What is the reasoning or benefit of them not being able to count the season ticket holders?

They apparently don't count no-shows in reported attendance. Per KBP they also do not club supporters who attend games with their tickets from the soccer team associated with clubs. Per one of his own posts, a Panathinaikos game was attended by over 13000 such non-paying supporters that were not included in the reported attendance. What that says about the ability to sell seats to basketball games in Greece is obvious; even the most popular team in the country is giving away tickets that have not been sold.

What is completely obvious and irrefutable is that Greek basketball, outside of Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, is a poorly attended sport, with crowds typically less than 2,000 and often well below 1,000. Many leagues around Europe have much, much greater attendance. Our fake Greek friend is greatly upset by the reporting of these simple facts and responds to them with his typical insults and profanity.

[ChumpDumper]

Greeks are not advanced enough to have turnstiles.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

What is the reasoning or benefit of them not being able to count the season ticket holders?

Because they do not believe season ticket holders count as attendance. Just like in NBA you see Heat or Grizzlies game or even Rockets game and they give "attendance" number of 15,000 and it looks like maybe at most 5,000 are in the arena.

In Greece that would be considered a lie to record the number of tickets sold because in future someone would mistake as how many were in the arena. Actualy Greece is right on how they count it and the other countries are wrong. It should not be called "attendance" just because a ticket was sold yet just look at NBA no matter what it is called "attendance" even if the people never show up just because a ticket was sold.

In Greece there are two categories "tickets sold" and "attendance" and actually Greece is right on that and the other places are wrong.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

They apparently don't count no-shows in reported attendance. Per KBP they also do not club supporters who attend games with their tickets from the soccer team associated with clubs. Per one of his own posts, a Panathinaikos game was attended by over 13000 such non-paying supporters that were not included in the reported attendance. What that says about the ability to sell seats to basketball games in Greece is obvious; even the most popular team in the country is giving away tickets that have not been sold.

What is completely obvious and irrefutable is that Greek basketball, outside of Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, is a poorly attended sport, with crowds typically less than 2,000 and often well below 1,000. Many leagues around Europe have much, much greater attendance. Our fake Greek friend is greatly upset by the reporting of these simple facts and responds to them with his typical insults and profanity.

Stop making up shit idiot. Where the fuck did you get the idea that you can go to the basketball games free? No one goes to the games free unless they are part of the club. There are discounts for relatives and people that used to be part of the club and things like that. But you do NOT go for free just because you have a soccer stub.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

They apparently don't count no-shows in reported attendance. Per KBP they also do not club supporters who attend games with their tickets from the soccer team associated with clubs. Per one of his own posts, a Panathinaikos game was attended by over 13000 such non-paying supporters that were not included in the reported attendance. What that says about the ability to sell seats to basketball games in Greece is obvious; even the most popular team in the country is giving away tickets that have not been sold.

What is completely obvious and irrefutable is that Greek basketball, outside of Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, is a poorly attended sport, with crowds typically less than 2,000 and often well below 1,000. Many leagues around Europe have much, much greater attendance. Our fake Greek friend is greatly upset by the reporting of these simple facts and responds to them with his typical insults and profanity.

And again you make up nonsense. Panathinaikos and Olympiacos are only clubs with good attendance? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Aris has almost as much as they do and usually almost every year PAOK is 1-3 in the league and many years they are number 1 in attendance.

[DPG21920]

Because they do not believe season ticket holders count as attendance. Just like in NBA you see Heat or Grizzlies game or even Rockets game and they give "attendance" number of 15,000 and it looks like maybe at most 5,000 are in the arena.

In Greece that would be considered a lie to record the number of tickets sold because in future someone would mistake as how many were in the arena. Actualy Greece is right on how they count it and the other countries are wrong. It should not be called "attendance" just because a ticket was sold yet just look at NBA no matter what it is called "attendance" even if the people never show up just because a ticket was sold.

In Greece there are two categories "tickets sold" and "attendance" and actually Greece is right on that and the other places are wrong.

So do you have the tickets sold numbers for the clubs?

[ChumpDumper]

Because they do not believe season ticket holders count as attendance. Just like in NBA you see Heat or Grizzlies game or even Rockets game and they give "attendance" number of 15,000 and it looks like maybe at most 5,000 are in the arena.

In Greece that would be considered a lie to record the number of tickets sold because in future someone would mistake as how many were in the arena. Actualy Greece is right on how they count it and the other countries are wrong. It should not be called "attendance" just because a ticket was sold yet just look at NBA no matter what it is called "attendance" even if the people never show up just because a ticket was sold.

In Greece there are two categories "tickets sold" and "attendance" and actually Greece is right on that and the other places are wrong.Greeks are also wrong because attendance is supposed to be the number of people who attend the game.

Their numbers are always wrong.

Greeks are wrong.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So do you have the tickets sold numbers for the clubs?

The only way is if clubs release all tickets sales. And they never release that because simply is no reason to because in Greece is just not counted like that so they have no reason to release it.

Last year one of the sports magazines had season tickets. Remember this is NOT ticket sales overall this is JUST season tickets. It is like you would have to add these numbers to the attendance numbers that were from ballineurope that do not count these tickets. But only add to as much as is arena capacity. And I know also pretty much those actual numbers for arenas and not all the old and wrong ones from stadia.gr So I guess the actual attendance numbers could be figured with some work. Then from there I can remember pretty good the games and for what clubs where it was dual ticket of soccer and basketball and in those just certain times when also attendances were not counted.

Also I know of all the games when the arenas were close to the publics because of the riots and attacks by the fans. This is also something that ballineurope acts like complete morons that they give an "average" attendance number but count games when attendance was zero because the police banned all fans because of rioting. For some strange reason ballineurope thinks that games where no one was allowed to attend should count as an "average". So once again they have false numbers. I know also which games for which clubs where the fans were banned. Ballineurope does not even mention this when in other leagues they did not have games where fans were banned.

Also please remember ballineurope figures do NOT count any playoff games. Olympiacos and Panathinaikos were at huge attendances in playoffs and they are not counted by ballineurope. They do not count that for Euroleague or Greek League numbers.

Here is the season tickets sales (again not overall sales just season tickets sales)

1. Olympiacos 11,400

2. Panathinaikos 8,500

3. PAOK 4,500 (lowest in many years for them - usually they get about 8,500)

4. Aris 4,500 (lower than normal for them - usually they get about 5,000-5,500)

5. Olympia Larissa 3,850

6. AEL 3,500

7. AEK 3,200 (lowest in many years for them)

8. Panionios 2,400

9. Trikala 2,000 (first time in league)

10. Maroussi 1,700

11. Kavala 1,700 (first time in league)

12. Kolossos 1,300

13. Egaleo 1,200

14. Panellinios 1,200


Then like I say add the season tickets to the attendance numbers and then also add the games where the soccer attendances are not counted and then add in the playoff games and then also figure for the games where fans were banned by police when you figure on the "average".

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So do you have the tickets sold numbers for the clubs?

Season tickets yes but not overall tickets sold. This would have to be figure out. I guess it should be actually and sent to ballineurope because their numbers are crap.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Greeks are also wrong because attendance is supposed to be the number of people who attend the game.

Their numbers are always wrong.

Greeks are wrong.

No. The Greek secretary general of sports and the police knows how many are in each game.

[ChumpDumper]

No. The Greek secretary general of sports and the police knows how many are in each game.Well let's see those real attendance numbers.

[mountainballer]

And I know also pretty much those actual numbers for arenas and not all the old and wrong ones from stadia.gr






Here is the season tickets sales (again not overall sales just season tickets sales)

1. Olympiacos 11,400

2. Panathinaikos 8,500

3. PAOK 4,500 (lowest in many years for them - usually they get about 8,500)

4. Aris 4,500 (lower than normal for them - usually they get about 5,000-5,500)

5. Olympia Larissa 3,850

6. AEL 3,500

7. AEK 3,200 (lowest in many years for them)

8. Panionios 2,400

9. Trikala 2,000 (first time in league)

10. Maroussi 1,700

11. Kavala 1,700 (first time in league)

12. Kolossos 1,300

13. Egaleo 1,200

14. Panellinios 1,200



:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

and you child genius didn't figure that the season ticket numbers (those that you call "actual numbers") and the capacity numbers from stadia.gr (those that you called "old and wrong") are exactly the same for Panellinios, Egaleo, Colossus, Kavala, Maroussi.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
all the places you claim to have been rebuilt, extended etc. have sold exactly the number of season tickets that match with the "old and wrong" numbers for their arena's seats.

you remember that guy Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", who shouts "Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off! " after Arthur has just cut his arms and legs off?
well, that guy pretty much is you, the difference is just that you don't even need a King Arthur to defeat you. you cut off your arms and legs yourself whenever you try to back up your idiotic claims.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

and you child genius didn't figure that the season ticket numbers (those that you call "actual numbers") and the capacity numbers from stadia.gr (those that you called "old and wrong") are exactly the same for Panellinios, Egaleo, Colossus, Kavala, Maroussi.
WHAT A COINCIDENCE!
all the places you claim to have been rebuilt, extended etc. have sold exactly the number of season tickets that match with the "old and wrong" numbers for their arena's seats.

you remember that guy Black Knight in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", who shouts "Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off! " after Arthur has just cut his arms and legs off?
well, that guy pretty much is you, the difference is just that you don't even need a King Arthur to defeat you. you cut off your arms and legs yourself whenever you try to back up your idiotic claims.

Hey you fucking IDIOT they don't count the bleachers as season tickets MORON. They only count the built in seats for season tickets. Use your brain if you have one at all.

[ChumpDumper]

So how can one find out exactly how many people actually attended a game in Greece?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

So how can one find out exactly how many people actually attended a game in Greece?

I explained it already.

[ChumpDumper]

I explained it already.No you didn't.

Where does one find the actual number of people that watched a professional basketball game in Greece?

[mountainballer]

So how can one find out exactly how many people actually attended a game in Greece?

as they always did: ask the Oracle of Delphi
http://www.athenstaxi.net/photos/oracle-delphi.jpg

[mountainballer]

Hey you fucking IDIOT they don't count the bleachers as season tickets MORON. They only count the built in seats for season tickets. Use your brain if you have one at all.

with bleachers you mean the plastic patio furniture?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Just announced, Rubio signed officially with Barcelona. 5 years contract.

[Muser]

Just announced, Rubio signed officially with Barcelona. 5 years contract.


lol rubio
lol timberwolves
lol olympiakos
lol wafer

any more?

[Mel_13]

Where the fuck did you get the idea that you can go to the basketball games free?



This is how it works. Only people in the gate is counted. But also even people in the gate will NOT be counted if they come from the soccer games. In Greece if you go to a home soccer game of your club and then also there is a basketball home game then you are only counted in soccer attendance but you can also attend the basketball game.

Just in one game last year Panathinaikos had 13,000 fans from the soccer game at the basketball game and none were counted for the basketball game attendance.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Where the fuck did i say you get in free?

[Mel_13]

Hey you fucking IDIOT they don't count the bleachers as season tickets MORON. They only count the built in seats for season tickets. Use your brain if you have one at all.

So they don't count season tickets in attendance figures? When this supposed "fact" paints you into a corner when added to provable facts from reliable sources; what do you do?

Make up new facts!!!:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[Mel_13]

Where the fuck did i say you get in free?

So they paid for the soccer game and paid again for the basketball game, but were not counted in the basketball game attendance because they had attended the soccer game????

Or did they pay for the soccer game and use their stub to gain admittance to the basketball game as you said?

[Mel_13]

10. Maroussi 1,700




And again you make up nonsense. Panathinaikos and Olympiacos are only clubs with good attendance? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao


Capacity: 1,350
Location: The hall is located in Maroussi, a suburb 9 km north of the Athens city centre. It lies only 500m away from the Athens Olympic Sports Complex (OAKA).

Built in: 1997
Home of: Maroussi B.C. (A1 Division)
More data: Maroussi Indoor Hall is a relatively new one, having been inaugurated in the year that Maroussi B.C. were promoted to the A1 Division.

Up until then, they played their home games in the old "Spyros Louis Indoor Hall", which lies opposite the Maroussi metro station, about 3 km to the north of their current home.

Although the hall is very small, sold-outs are rare (only when the home club plays against Olympiakos, Panathinaikos or AEK). However, the club consider expanding it. The plan is to expand the two small stands along the court by constructing two extentions on each side of the building. This will almost double the capacity of the arena.

http://stadia.gr/marousi/marousi.html

[Mel_13]

The Greek League is one of the top leagues in Europe.

Panathinaikos is one of the top teams in the Euroleague and Olympiacos is also a long-time Euroleague fixture. They play in two of the several modern indoor arenas in Greece.

The Greek National Team is a factor in every major tournament and will be among the favorites in the European championships next month.

These are undeniable facts, but apparently any mention of other, less flattering, facts about Greek basketball is quite upsetting to our friend.

Facts such as:

-several Greek A1 league teams play their home Greek League games in arenas with capacities below 3,000.

-there are only two Greek League who are guaranteed to play Euroleague regular season games. Another two teams are in a group of teams in a qualification tourney from which it is possible for only one Greek League team to succeed. Our friend counts entry in the qualification tourney as membership in the league and objects when this is shown to be false.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I checked in the Greek forums about the arenas.........

FACTS

1. Aris is building a new 10,000 arena that they OWN. Will be done by 2010-11 season.

2. Aris current arena (5,500) will then be given to Iraklis who have 2,500 arena now. It will then be expanded to 10,000 but will still be owned by Greek state.

3. PAOK arena (they own it) had renovation and now has 8,700 capacity. There is plans to make it to 10,000 by 2012.

4. AEL and Olympia will merge as one club. Also they will have new 10,000 arena that they will OWN ready before 2013 (part of new AEL sports complex)

5. Current AEL arena (5,500) will go to youth national teams of Greece

6. Trikalla is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 2,500 arena now). They will not own it.

7. Olympiacos is building new 20,000 arena that they will OWN. Ready by 2013.

8. Current Olympiacos arena (15,000-16,000) will go to Peristeri (they have 4,000 arena now).

9. AEK is building new 12,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new AEK sports complex. Will be ready by 2012.

10. Panionios is building new 10,000 arena that they will OWN. To be ready by 2012. Part of new Panionios sports complex.

11. Current Panionios arena (15,000) will go to Panellinios who will rent it (moving from their 1,500 arena) and it will stay owned by Hellenic Cup and Hellenic Basketball Federation.

12. Panathinaikos is building new 17,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new Panathinaikos sports complex. To be ready by 2013.

13. Current Panathinaikos arena (19,000-20,000) will go to Maroussi who will rent it (moving from their 1,700 arena now) and it will also stay as home of senior national team and Acropolis Cup and owned by Greek Basketball Federation.

14. Kolossos is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 1,300 arena now). They will not own it.

15. Iraklio is moving into the Heraklion (5,500). Ownership of it will stay with Greek Basketball Federation.


There is 2 new rules for the arenas.

1. ULEB says all arenas for Euroleague must be 10,000 at least by 2011 and all arenas for Eurocup must 5,000 at least by 2011.

2. Greek Basketball Federation made new rule that all the big multi sports clubs of A1 must have at least 10,000 arena for Greek league by 2013.

These rules have been passed and the arenas are already being worked on. The land for all of them is purchased, the plans are done and ALL of them have already began in construction.

:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit :ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit:ihit

Make your pathetic racist little jokes while you still can.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

the greek league is one of the top leagues in europe.

Panathinaikos is one of the top teams in the euroleague and olympiacos is also a long-time euroleague fixture. They play in two of the several modern indoor arenas in greece.

The greek national team is a factor in every major tournament and will be among the favorites in the european championships next month.

These are undeniable facts, but apparently any mention of other, less flattering, facts about greek basketball is quite upsetting to our friend.

Facts such as:

-several greek a1 league teams play their home greek league games in arenas with capacities below 3,000.

-there are only two greek league who are guaranteed to play euroleague regular season games. Another two teams are in a group of teams in a qualification tourney from which it is possible for only one greek league team to succeed. Our friend counts entry in the qualification tourney as membership in the league and objects when this is shown to be false.

fuck you

[manufan10]

Greeks are not advanced enough to have turnstiles.

Maybe the Greek's should hire this guy to teach them how to count how many people actually attend games:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/muppet/images/thumb/7/76/The_Count%27s_Countdown_%28CD%29.jpeg/300px-The_Count%27s_Countdown_%28CD%29.jpeg

[manufan10]

I checked in the Greek forums about the arenas.........

FACTS

1. Aris is building a new 10,000 arena that they OWN. Will be done by 2010-11 season.

2. Aris current arena (5,500) will then be given to Iraklis who have 2,500 arena now. It will then be expanded to 10,000 but will still be owned by Greek state.

3. PAOK arena (they own it) had renovation and now has 8,700 capacity. There is plans to make it to 10,000 by 2012.

4. AEL and Olympia will merge as one club. Also they will have new 10,000 arena that they will OWN ready before 2013 (part of new AEL sports complex)

5. Current AEL arena (5,500) will go to youth national teams of Greece

6. Trikalla is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 2,500 arena now). They will not own it.

7. Olympiacos is building new 20,000 arena that they will OWN. Ready by 2013.

8. Current Olympiacos arena (15,000-16,000) will go to Peristeri (they have 4,000 arena now).

9. AEK is building new 12,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new AEK sports complex. Will be ready by 2012.

10. Panionios is building new 10,000 arena that they will OWN. To be ready by 2012. Part of new Panionios sports complex.

11. Current Panionios arena (15,000) will go to Panellinios who will rent it (moving from their 1,500 arena) and it will stay owned by Hellenic Cup and Hellenic Basketball Federation.

12. Panathinaikos is building new 17,000 arena that they will OWN. Part of new Panathinaikos sports complex. To be ready by 2013.

13. Current Panathinaikos arena (19,000-20,000) will go to Maroussi who will rent it (moving from their 1,700 arena now) and it will also stay as home of senior national team and Acropolis Cup and owned by Greek Basketball Federation.

14. Kolossos is getting a new 5,500 arena to be ready by 2011 (they have 1,300 arena now). They will not own it.

15. Iraklio is moving into the Heraklion (5,500). Ownership of it will stay with Greek Basketball Federation.


There is 2 new rules for the arenas.

1. ULEB says all arenas for Euroleague must be 10,000 at least by 2011 and all arenas for Eurocup must 5,000 at least by 2011.

2. Greek Basketball Federation made new rule that all the big multi sports clubs of A1 must have at least 10,000 arena for Greek league by 2013.

These rules have been passed and the arenas are already being worked on. The land for all of them is purchased, the plans are done and ALL of them have already began in construction.

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Make your pathetic racist little jokes while you still can.

Those aren't facts until you can actually PROVE it. Provide a real source, a link, anything that proves what you've just said. It shouldn't be anything that someone else has said on another forum. Just because you said it, doesn't make it true. You're not God or Jesus, so not everything that comes out of your mouth is truth.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Those aren't facts until you can actually PROVE it. Provide a real source, a link, anything that proves what you've just said. It shouldn't be anything that someone else has said on another forum. Just because you said it, doesn't make it true. You're not God or Jesus, so not everything that comes out of your mouth is truth.

It is in the GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING GREEK CONSTRUCTION FORUMS.

Go fucking read it yourself ASSHOLE

[Mel_13]

It is in the GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING GREEK CONSTRUCTION FORUMS.

Go fucking read it yourself ASSHOLE

Perhaps you should spend your time reading and posting in those places.

[manufan10]

It is in the GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING GREEK CONSTRUCTION FORUMS.

Go fucking read it yourself ASSHOLE

So then it's all fake Greek lies that you make up. Ok, got it. I understand. :toast

[anakha]

It is in the GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING GREEK CONSTRUCTION FORUMS.

Go fucking read it yourself ASSHOLE

Looks like KBP's 'Good English' switch got turned on again.

[Mel_13]

Our fake Greek friend is greatly upset by the reporting of these simple facts and responds to them with his typical insults and profanity.


fuck you

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

LEAVE ME ALONE you sick RACIST bastards:depressed:depressed:depressed:depressed:d epressed:depressed:depressed:depressed:depressed:d epressed:depressed:depressed:depressed:depressed:d epressed:depressed:depressed:depressed

[manufan10]

Our fake Greek friend from Arkansas is about to go off the deep end! :lol

Seriously, if you actually would post of substance and back up what you're saying we wouldn't have a problem with it. We post sources and links, yet we are called liars. You post random information and you act like those are stone cold facts without proving anything, and when we call you out on it you resort to childish behavior. We do a little ribbing, like is done to everyone on here, and you start calling everyone racist. Grow up a little man. You're giving Arkansas a bad name.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Our fake Greek friend from Arkansas is about to go off the deep end! :lol

Seriously, if you actually would post of substance and back up what you're saying we wouldn't have a problem with it. We post sources and links, yet we are called liars. You post random information and you act like those are stone cold facts without proving anything, and when we call you out on it you resort to childish behavior. We do a little ribbing, like is done to everyone on here, and you start calling everyone racist. Grow up a little man. You're giving Arkansas a bad name.

Do NOT ever post at me again.:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:ban g

[Indazone]

Actually Arkansas is the capital of inbred.

Made possible because of the Nuclear Power Plant and its radiation effects.

Many men now have grown third arms

This better to hold their sister down while having their way with them.

[manufan10]

Do NOT ever post at me again.:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:ban g

The truth hurts!

http://attendingtheworld.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/jacknicholson.jpg

[Mel_13]

Is Hamed Haddadi the Persian VSpan?

Remember how VSpan's natural ascent to NBA greatness was sabotaged by the evil and incompetent Jeff Van Gundy? Well, Haddadi seems to think his path to greatness is being thwarted by the coaches of the Grizzlies:

“Grizzlies’ officials don’t let me show my abilities. I have done my best every time I was called up to play for my team, but I don’t know why they don’t trust me,” added Haddadi, who was the first Iranian basketball player to make it to the NBA.

“I want to play regularly for the Grizzlies; nevertheless I will have to change my team now since I am a star of the team but sitting on the bench,”

First the Greeks, now the Persians. Why are NBA coaches keeping these sons of classical cultures from reaching their true potential?

http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=201885

[manufan10]

:lol

[Cry Havoc]

It is in the GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING GREEK CONSTRUCTION FORUMS.

Go fucking read it yourself ASSHOLE

Let me get this straight....

You just spent close to 20 pages arguing with about a 1/3rd of Spurstalk about what the Greek basketball clubs are doing for their stadiums...

But when it comes to posting an actual link, that's too much work for you to do? Because 15 pages of long-winded posts of insults and calling everyone out for being racist takes less time?

[anakha]

That's it? No long-winded flame?

Man, I'm disappointed. That's the weakest meltdown I've seen.

[Spursfan092120]

It is in the GOD DAMN MOTHERFUCKING GREEK CONSTRUCTION FORUMS.

Go fucking read it yourself ASSHOLE
Let us stop insults please.

[manufan10]

Professional Greek basketball arena:

http://www.vnews.com/rwanda/img/rwanda-basketball.jpg

Ok I'm lying.

[Spursfan092120]

Professional Greek basketball arena:

http://www.vnews.com/rwanda/img/rwanda-basketball.jpg

Ok I'm lying.
Professional Greek basketball court

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1359/662680987_4969695b00.jpg

totally not lying

[manufan10]

Greek practice facility:

http://www.nppa6.org/clips/2006/march/Mar06_FeatMult1_2.jpg

Ok I'm lying again!

[Spursfan092120]

Greek main athletic facility

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xbZwWuurmG4/SjhqncuxXwI/AAAAAAAAF7Y/tfTU1Cvj7nU/s400/IMG_1112.JPG

[BlackBellamy]

Greek Cheerleader?...
http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/Black_Bellamy/hairy-woman.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

Greek team fitness center

http://www.stemlerfit.com/USERIMAGES/n671637268_1872394_6339.jpg

[manufan10]

Greek team bus:

http://img1.eyefetch.com/Portfolio%5Cbowerbird%5C73081.jpg

Yes, they all share the same bus.

[BlackBellamy]

Greek team showering facility...
http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/Black_Bellamy/dormitory8_shower.jpg

[Cry Havoc]

Greek Mascots:

http://www.eisenlohr.us/images/G1%20greek%20mascot.jpg

http://www.malus-sanguis.com/pedobar.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

picture of proposed new Greek stadium

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3416/3589085882_f65fbf4e35.jpg

it can accomodate 25. They are giving away 24 sets of season tickets, hoping for a sellout in at least 5 games.

[manufan10]

:lmao

KBP is going to jump off a bridge.. or whatever it is they have in Mountain View, Arkansas. :lol

[Spursfan092120]

Greek team water facilities on the sidelines of their brand new "state of the art" court.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3347/3339878646_69ee24529d.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

Greek team prayer before the game...
http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/Black_Bellamy/IdolWorship.jpg

[BlackBellamy]

Greek basketball fans "celebrate", after a victory over another Greek team...
http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af206/Black_Bellamy/greekscelebrate.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

Highway exit to the new Greek stadiums...yes..all of them..

http://www.definitivejux.net/files/imagecache/container_full/files/news/assholes.jpg