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[DarrinS]

antimvp,


Are you lost?

[Marcus Bryant]

The interesting thing, and of course this is pure speculation on a recent event for which limited and perhaps questionable information is trickling out, is how a member of the armed forces who exhibited signs of, well, not being right, was able to remain a member in good standing.

It's always tempting to fall back on the old 'lone nut' conclusion, that, 'hey, what can you do, it happens' view of things. But does not the military require personal discipline rather stringently? After all, if a member's sexual activity is of concern to maintaining an effective military force, is not their mental well-being as well? How'd he fall through the cracks?

[rjv]

In my lifetime, no other particular group has carried out more attacks against the US.


Can you disprove that?


the only other group that i can think of that has committed such heinous acts against americans would be americans themselves.

[Winehole23]

It's not like one particular group was responsible, Darrin, or that they all had the same motivations in doing attacking us. Hezbollah is not the same as Al Qaeda, is not the same as the Iraq insurgents, is not the same as the Taliban. All those are "one particular group" only in your own mind.

[rjv]

It's not like one particular group was responsible, Darrin, or that they all had the same motivations in doing attacking us. Hezbollah is not the same as Al Qaeda, is not the same as the Iraq insurgents, is not the same as the Taliban. All those are "one particular group" only in your own mind.

where have you been? don't you know that the japs and chinese are all chinks and that mexicans and south americans are all meskins ?

[Oh, Gee!!]

the only other group that i can think of that has committed such heinous acts against americans would be americans themselves.

what's the profile in this country for a mass murderer?--it's probably white, male, christian, etc.

[Winehole23]

http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/terrorism2.jpg

[Winehole23]

In the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States), acts of domestic terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism) are generally considered to be uncommon. According to the FBI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI), however, between the years of 1980 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980) and 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000), 250 of the 335 incidents confirmed as or suspected to be terrorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism) acts in the United States were carried out by American citizens.

per:


^ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States#cite_ref-0) Militant Extremists in the United States - Council on Foreign Relations (http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/american.html)

[Winehole23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

[DarrinS]

WH,

Why are you limiting it to domestic terrorism?

And your graph is a little dated.

[Winehole23]

WH,

Why are you limiting it to domestic terrorism?You said attacks on the US. I took that to mean the territorial US.


And your graph is a little dated.Well within your own forty years. Maybe you just weren't paying attention. Or maybe you just don't know very much about terrorism.

[clambake]

attacks on occupying american soldiers is terrorism?

[Winehole23]

attacks on occupying american soldiers is terrorism?They were supposed to praise us for occupying and bombing the shit out of them. Ingrates.

[Winehole23]

At any rate, Darrin has yet to post anything backing up his own contention that "one particular group" is disproportionately responsible for terrorism.

[clambake]

At any rate, Darrin has yet to post anything backing up his own contention that "one particular group" is disproportionately responsible for terrorism.

well, the only way to get to darrin is through hannity or beck.

[Marcus Bryant]

So when will the war to bring freedom to Puerto Rico be launched?

[Ignignokt]

after that we should liberate San Francisco and UT-austin.

[Winehole23]

So when will the war to bring freedom to Puerto Rico be launched?Never.

[Winehole23]

US Territory, forever.

[DarrinS]

At any rate, Darrin has yet to post anything backing up his own contention that "one particular group" is disproportionately responsible for terrorism.


I can't tell you how many times I've heard about some crazy Buddhist yelling "Karma muthafuckas", before spraying bullets into a crowd.

You're as old as I am (if not older) -- can you name me some major Peurto Rican terrorist attacks?

<WH goes Googling>

[clambake]

we're sure you can't tell us how many times.

[rjv]

I can't tell you how many times I've heard about some crazy Buddhist yelling "Karma muthafuckas", before spraying bullets into a crowd.

You're as old as I am (if not older) -- can you name me some major Peurto Rican terrorist attacks?

<WH goes Googling>

buddhists? i thought we were making muslims are pariah of the day.

[Marcus Bryant]

Never.

But we have to take the fight to the 'terrerists', no?

[MannyIsGod]

Darrin, what I fail to understand is that if this information is so obvious and glaring then why can't you back it up?

[Ignignokt]

Puerto Ricans... serious stuff.

[Ignignokt]

Darrin, what I fail to understand is that if this information is so obvious and glaring then why can't you back it up?

It's because DarrinS has been completely pwned. Doesn't he remember the day Puerto Ricans flew the Marc Anthony tour jet into the Sears Tower on Nueve del Once?

[Winehole23]

I can't tell you how many times I've heard about some crazy Buddhist yelling "Karma muthafuckas", before spraying bullets into a crowd.

You're as old as I am (if not older) -- can you name me some major Peurto Rican terrorist attacks?

<WH goes Googling>The time some Puerto Rican radicals bombed the US House. Was it 1975? I didn't have to google that.

[whottt]

where have you been? don't you know that the japs and chinese are all chinks and that mexicans and south americans are all meskins ?

And all Europeans and Americans are simply "white". What's your point?

[Ignignokt]

The time some Puerto Rican radicals bombed the US House. Was it 1975? I didn't have to google that.

in a period from 1974-1980.. the FALN or FLAN!:lmao killed a total of 5 people.


How stupid can you be?

[Winehole23]

I don't see anything stupid about it. Still less occasion for hilarity.

[Winehole23]

At any rate, about 2/3 of terrorist incidents in the US are homegrown. That's neither funny nor insignificant IMO.

[DarrinS]

Darrin, what I fail to understand is that if this information is so obvious and glaring then why can't you back it up?


I can't mathematically prove that followers of Islam have committed more acts of terrorism than, say, Buddhists, but it seems pretty obvious to me.

But, as WH has illustrated, we were bombarded by waves of Peurto Rican terrorists attacks in the 80's and 90's -- just none that anyone can remember.

[rjv]

And all Europeans and Americans are simply "white". What's your point?

so you also call all euros and americans "white" ? i guess that would be your point. but if your sardonic hue is meant to imply a disgust with the ignorant classification of a diverse group into one generic set then i guess you should already understand the point.

[Winehole23]

I can't mathematically prove that followers of Islam have committed more acts of terrorism than, say, Buddhists, but it seems pretty obvious to me.Only if you ignore the universe of readily available information. It does not support your hypothesis that "one particular group" is disproportionately responsible for terrorism.


But, as WH has illustrated, we were bombarded by waves of Peurto Rican terrorists attacks in the 80's and 90's -- just none that anyone can remember.Yeah.

Bombing the US House of Representatives is no big deal to Darrin. Neither are FBI and CFR reports on terrorism that tend to refute what he says.

[DarrinS]

Bombing the US House of Representatives is no big deal to Darrin.


It is a BIG deal, I just don't remember this incident.

[Winehole23]

You seemed to be mocking it.

[Ignignokt]

At any rate, about 2/3 of terrorist incidents in the US are homegrown. That's neither funny nor insignificant IMO.

Its funny that you try to equate Puerto rican terrorism with Islamic.

[Winehole23]

...

[Winehole23]

Its funny that you try to equate Puerto rican terrorism with Islamic.I did no such thing. The question I was responding to concerned terrorism in the US. I just wanted to show Darrin that's there's a melange of bad guys out there.

[Winehole23]

Most of the ones who have attacked us were neither foreign, nor Islamic.

[PixelPusher]

Puerto Ricans... serious stuff.

Yeah, we weren't pussies about domestic terrorism back then.

[Ignignokt]

I did no such thing. The question I was responding to concerned terrorism in the US. I just wanted to show Darrin that's there's a melange of bad guys out there.

So, does saying that Muslim fanatics who show signs of hostility and support for suicide bombings should be monitored equate to "Only Mulsims have committed "terrorist" attacks."

No one said that.

You keep looking more idiotic by every post to those who don't subscribe to PC.

[Ignignokt]

Yeah, we weren't pussies about domestic terrorism back then.

Snarky comments are the greatest tool against terrorism.

[PixelPusher]

Snarky comments are the greatest tool against terrorism.

You're right. If we don't take terrorism very, very seriously and give them all the attention they deserve, then the terrorists win.

[Winehole23]

So, does saying that Muslim fanatics who show signs of hostility and support for suicide bombings should be monitored equate to "Only Mulsims have committed "terrorist" attacks."Darrin actually said we should divert all Muslims at airports.


No one said that. Darrin said "one particular group" is disproportionately responsible for terrorism. He is wrong.

[Ignignokt]

In my lifetime, no other particular group has carried out more attacks against the US.


Can you disprove that?


This is Darrin's original statement.

While Darrin is wrong on the quantity part. No doubt he meant to say more "devastating".

And he said, in broad terms.. against the US. Nowhere did he limit it to domestic terrorism.

Only a tool like Winehole, and MannyisGaping made the argument about just domestic "homegrown, naturally born" terrorism. Shoot what a deceptive way to skirt around 911.

Srsly.. that's as if Loss prevention for Sears looked at data concerning shrinkage and theft and found out that there was a higher rate of theft occured towards cosmetics and toys.. completely neglecting that Electronics although less occurring resulted in more loss.

So If these tools were in charge they would monitor revlon aisle just as much as the Plasma Tv section.

This is the kind of logic these guys use, and liberals use towards terrorism.

I'm glad the right party was in charge on 911.

[clambake]

good point. how many sears stores have been attacked in foreign territory?

[Winehole23]

Srsly.. that's as if Loss prevention for Sears looked at data concerning shrinkage and theft and found out that there was a higher rate of theft occured towards cosmetics and toys.. completely neglecting that Electronics although less occurring resulted in more loss.

So If these tools were in charge they would monitor revlon aisle just as much as the Plasma Tv section.The conversation never really got as far as profiling because, as you admit yourself, Darrin's premises were wrong.

We do know that if Darrin was in charge of Homeland Security, travelers would be segregated by religion for screening.

How dumb is that?

[ChumpDumper]

What's great is that the round-em-all-up conservative internets tough guys are reacting exactly the way bin Laden and his ilk want them to.

Keep reading from his script, American heroes.

[Winehole23]

Only a tool like Winehole, and MannyisGaping made the argument about just domestic "homegrown, naturally born" terrorism. Shoot what a deceptive way to skirt around 911.Pointing out the prevalence of homegrown terrorism in no way diminishes or skirts 9/11. Nor does mentioning 9/11 lend support to Darrin's arguments in this thread.

[Ignignokt]

What's great is that the round-em-all-up conservative internets tough guys are reacting exactly the way bin Laden and his ilk want them to.

Keep reading from his script, American heroes.

He also called us pussies for pulling out of Mogadishu.. I guess he hates all of us. But most of us new that when 911 happened.

[Ignignokt]

The conversation never really got as far as profiling because, as you admit yourself, Darrin's premises were wrong.

We do know that if Darrin was in charge of Homeland Security, travelers would be segregated by religion for screening.

How dumb is that?

So dumb the Israelis do it.

[ChumpDumper]

He also called us pussies for pulling out of Mogadishu..And Beirut, which weas much more of a cut and run situation. It's interesting that no one on the right could ever bring himself to acknowledge this. I don't expect you to now either.
I guess he hates all of us. But most of us new that when 911 happened.I think most people didn't know him until that day. Of course you were a terra watchdog back then.

[ChumpDumper]

So dumb the Israelis do it.So you are advocating this now as well?

A snarkless yes or no will do.

[Ignignokt]

You're right. If we don't take terrorism very, very seriously and give them all the attention they deserve, then the terrorists win.

Lets just settle with seriously.

[Ignignokt]

So you are advocating this now as well?

A snarkless yes or no will do.

Yes. we should.

[Winehole23]

So dumb the Israelis do it.We're not Israel. Vive la difference.

[DarrinS]

I think most people didn't know him until that day. Of course you were a terra watchdog back then.


Unless you were one of the millions who watched John Miller interview him on ABC in 1998.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes. we should.Doesn't seem like that would have stopped yesterday's shooting, and it also seems quite unnecessary if you want to pimp the post 9/11 safety record as everyone was eager to do for Bush.

[ChumpDumper]

Unless you were one of the millions who watched John Miller interview him on ABC in 1998.As I said, most did not know who he was.

[Ignignokt]

And Beirut, which weas much more of a cut and run situation. It's interesting that no one on the right could ever bring himself to acknowledge this. I don't expect you to now either.I think most people didn't know him until that day. Of course you were a terra watchdog back then.


LOL, irrelevant. I wasn't trashing Clinton here, no need to defend him. My point is that whether weak or strong, Osama himself will use whatever he can against us for propaganda.

Reading is Fundamental, you know.

[Ignignokt]

Doesn't seem like that would have stopped yesterday's shooting, and it also seems quite unnecessary if you want to pimp the post 9/11 safety record as everyone was eager to do for Bush.

yeah it would. The FBI knew of his internet postings months in advance. The army could have relieved him along with his past poor performance with this crucial info.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL, irrelevant. I wasn't trashing Clinton here, no need to defend him.LOL, still not acknowledging it. Predictable.


My point is that whether weak or strong, Osama himself will use whatever he can against us for propaganda.

Reading is Fundamental, you know.My point is it wouldn't be propaganda -- you would be actively fulfilling his wishes. He woldn't have to say a word about it.

[Ignignokt]

We're not Israel. Vive la difference.

That doesn't work with them... and i don't mean Puerto Ricans.

[ChumpDumper]

yeah it would. The FBI knew of his internet postings months in advance. The army could have relieved him along with his past poor performance with this crucial info.How would he have had his internets posting screened at physical search at the airport?

You really don't know how these things work.

[Winehole23]

A lack of religious/ethnic profiling hasn't been national suicide for us. And it won't be.

[DarrinS]

A lack of religious/ethnic profiling hasn't been national suicide for us. And it won't be.


Yeah, the NSA isn't monitoring any one specific group.

[Winehole23]

You can bet your ass they aren't.

[Ignignokt]

LOL, still not acknowledging it. Predictable.

You proclaimed yourself the winner here.. predictable.


My point is it wouldn't be propaganda -- you would be actively fulfilling his wishes. He woldn't have to say a word about it.


He also wishes we'd do little or nothing. We're both fullfilling his wishes i guess. Not that i put weight in what he thinks, but you appaerently did.

[boutons_deux]

Republican congressional recruit: ‘Enemy is infiltrating our military’

from Raw Story Breaking News by Raw Story

fthood Republican congressional recruit: Enemy is infiltrating our militaryOne of the Republicans' most favored congressional candidates -- a former commander at Fort Hood, Texas -- said Friday that the "enemy" had infiltrated the US military after a Muslim Army psychiatrist allegedly massacred at least 13 at the Texas military base.

According to the Hill, the comments were made by GOP candidate Allen West.

Allen West (R-Fla.), a retired military colonel who served as a commander at the Texas base, said in a release that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's attack may indicate a broader effort by Islamic extremists to recruit downtrodden members of the military.

"This enemy preys on downtrodden soldiers and teaches them extremism will lift them up," West said in a statement. "Our soldiers are being brainwashed."

The release added that West claims "the horrible tragedy at Fort Hood is proof the enemy is infiltrating our military."

http://rawstory.com/2009/11/republican-congressional-recruit-enemy-infiltrating-military/

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So the military can't even keep out infiltrators, letting them get well up in the officer corps, so how the hell is military gonna defend The Great American People? :lol

sounds like the only brain that is washed is this old fart's brain. washed with paranoid delusions.

[DarrinS]

You can bet your ass they aren't.

Whatever you say chief.

[Ignignokt]

How would he have had his internets posting screened at physical search at the airport?

You really don't know how these things work.

You mean profiling only can be administered at airports? :lmao
Oh shoot.. does there have to be a commercial airport at the military base for this argument to work?

Wow, chump you're a tool.

[Winehole23]

It's not like Islamic extremists have a proprietary monopoly on threats to the US. Not even close.

[ChumpDumper]

You proclaimed yourself the winner here.. predictable.It was a predictably easy win.




He also wishes we'd do little or nothing. We're both fullfilling his wishes i guess. Not that i put weight in what he thinks, but you appaerently did.No, doing nothing in the area of needlessly targeting all Muslims is precisely what he doesn't want.

If you don't put any weight into what he thinks, why are you pissing your pants about what Muslims in airports might think? You were the one who said this shooting could be stopped by screening this guy at an airport and somehow finding out what he thought on the internets.

[DarrinS]

It's not like Islamic extremists have a proprietary monopoly on threats to the US. Not even close.

There's no doubt. I just don't think the NSA has to be all PC like airport security screeners with their stupid ass random searches of old ladies, etc. They can be much more focused on groups that they suspect are the greatest threats.

[Winehole23]

Whatever you say chief.Yeah. We have more than one enemy in the world, chief. Way more than one.

[DarrinS]

Yeah. We have more than one enemy in the world, chief. Way more than one.

Agreed. See my post above.

[Ignignokt]

It's not like Islamic extremists have a proprietary monopoly on threats to the US. Not even close.

Your right.. The Barbary Pirates, Santa Anna, The Germans of 1918 and 41 did too. Quick someone contact the NSA with this info.

[Winehole23]

There's no doubt. I just don't think the NSA has to be all PC like airport security screeners with their stupid ass random searches of old ladies, etc. They can be much more focused on groups that they suspect are the greatest threats.I suspect the opposite may be true, With FISA basically defunct, we can't be at all sure they aren't casting a wider net than ever.

[ChumpDumper]

The Bush administration certainly didn't consider Islamic extremists the only threat when it took office, and certainly not the greatest threat.

Did those other threats simply never exist?

[Ignignokt]

It was a predictably easy win.

Nobody said self declarations aren't easy.






If you don't put any weight into what he thinks, why are you pissing your pants about what Muslims in airports might think? You were the one who said this shooting could be stopped by screening this guy at an airport and somehow finding out what he thought on the internets.

Before you declare yourself the winner.. find the post where i said the Fbi Should conduct airport screenings on Military bases.

Also, the israelis also use profiling at check points across the country, and in the city to guard against bombings. I guess that shits on your hunt.

[DarrinS]

I suspect the opposite may be true, With FISA basically defunct, we can't be at all sure they aren't casting a wider net than ever.


Kinda like doing a google search using the entire contents of Websters dictionary -- sounds efficient.

[Winehole23]

Your right.. The Barbary Pirates, Santa Anna, The Germans of 1918 and 41 did too. Quick someone contact the NSA with this info.Sometimes you barely make any sense, gtown.

[Ignignokt]

The Bush administration certainly didn't consider Islamic extremists the only threat when it took office, and certainly not the greatest threat.

Did those other threats simply never exist?

:lmao.. Never thought i'd see this but, you're using bush to defend your argument, you will try anything.

[Winehole23]

Kinda like doing a google search using the entire contents of Websters dictionary -- sounds efficient.Do a google search on data mining. It's no joke.

[ChumpDumper]

Nobody said self declarations aren't easy.You're a little upset about it. Predictable.



Before you declare yourself the winner.. find the post where i said the Fbi Should conduct airport screenings on Military bases.You said airport screenings could have prevented yesterday's shooting.


Also, the israelis also use profiling at check points across the country, and in the city to guard against bombings. I guess that shits on your hunt.I believe you have already been told the US is not Israel. I guess that shits on your hunt.

[sook]

Fucking Fucking Fucking Idiots.

As a muslim I can't stand these bastards. Get the fuck out of here if you don't like it. Its amazing how these small % of morons can bring everyone down. I hope they burn in hell for eternity.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao.. Never thought i'd see this but, you're using bush to defend your argument, you will try anything.In my mind it was a question of priorities. If you think those other threats did not exist at the time, speak up. Let's hear your argument. Use your words.

[sook]

You're a little upset about it. Predictable.


You said airport screenings could have prevented yesterday's shooting.

I believe you have already been told the US is not Israel. I guess that shits on your hunt.

I'm actuall for added security, but this igneoiejroit fucker is some Israeli war mongerer. Don't listen to him, he is fucking stupid.


If it adds to the safety of everyone....i don't mind extra security, I don't really look foreign so I have never had problems, but if it keeps everyone safe including myself, I'm all for it.

[Ignignokt]

You're a little upset about it. Predictable.

I thought you hate projecting. hypocrite.


You said airport screenings could have prevented yesterday's shooting.


Nah.. i said provide a link where i said that.. Still waiting.



I believe you have already been told the US is not Israel. I guess that shits on your hunt.


Also need another link, where i said the US is Israel. I shouldn't expect too much from you.

[Ignignokt]

In my mind it was a question of priorities. If you think those other threats did not exist at the time, speak up. Let's hear your argument. Use your words.

It isn't my argument. Because i'm not arguing the past, i'm arguing the now.
Islamic Terrorism is still the number one threat.

It would be easier if you could construct strawmen trolls to argue with. Then you could consider yourself the winner all the time, since that is your obsession.

[ChumpDumper]

It isn't my argument. Because i'm not arguing the past, i'm arguing the now.You're afraid to go there.

Predictable.

[ChumpDumper]

Also, the israelis also use profiling at check points across the country, and in the city to guard against bombings. I guess that shits on your hunt.So since there are also Jewish extremists who plant bombs in Israel, they should all be profiled and rounded up too.

That really shits on your hunt.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah.. i said provide a link where i said that.. Still waiting.
Doesn't seem like that would have stopped yesterday's shooting, and it also seems quite unnecessary if you want to pimp the post 9/11 safety record as everyone was eager to do for Bush.
yeah it would. The FBI knew of his internet postings months in advance. The army could have relieved him along with his past poor performance with this crucial info.

[Ignignokt]

You're afraid to go there.

Predictable.

The argument is whether the US should use profiling in this day and age to prevent things like 911 and Ft hood from happening.

I don't know how arguing Bush's lack of recognizing the threat of terrorism at first, or reagan's dismissal of it bolster's or discredits my argument.

If you lose, just accept it, don't start new arguments or make up ones that no one raised, that is classic chump, and we know you're not above that anyway.

[Ignignokt]

So since there are also Jewish extremists who plant bombs in Israel, they should all be profiled and rounded up too.

That really shits on your hunt.

If you want to profile extremist jewish terrorist, no one is stopping you.

[Ignignokt]

I still haven't found a link where Gtown said the Fbi should have conducted an airport screening at Fort Hood. Let me go off subject.

[ChumpDumper]

The argument is whether the US should use profiling in this day and age to prevent things like 911 and Ft hood from happening.

I don't know how arguing Bush's lack of recognizing the threat of terrorism at first, or reagan's dismissal of it bolster's or discredits my argument.

If you lose, just accept it, don't start new arguments or make up ones that no one raised, that is classic chump, and we know you're not above that anyway.I'm basically tap dancing on your head now. If you can't follow more than one facet of the conversation, just say so. I'll let up on you.


If you want to profile extremist jewish terrorist, no one is stopping you.Actually, it's what you would want Israel to do if you were at all consistent.

Tell me, does Israel do this?

[ChumpDumper]

[BS]Actually I did.

[ChumpDumper]

I expect to see some more complaining and perhaps a couple of ad hominems by the time I get back.

[Ignignokt]

I'm basically tap dancing on your head now. If you can't follow more than one facet of the conversation, just say so. I'll let up on you.

So you made a strawman, and you're upset i don't pick up it's mythological argument? If you can't stick to the original point, just admit it to yourself, we all know anyway.


Actually, it's what you would want Israel to do if you were at all consistent.

Tell me, does Israel do this?

:lol, You're not too bright. I said we should use a tactic that's worked with the Israelis.

By your standards, just because Woodrow Wilson's previous staff and FDR admired some of Mussolini's programs, to be consistent, they should have also persecuted the jews, and joined the Axis powers.

You're too tool for school.

[Ignignokt]

I expect to see some more complaining and perhaps a couple of ad hominems by the time I get back.

:lol, that's because it will most likely occur coincedentaly at the time you actually come back.

[ChumpDumper]

So you made a strawman, and you're upset i don't pick up it's mythological argument? If you can't stick to the original point, just admit it to yourself, we all know anyway.Well, there's the complaining. I was just trying to expand my ownership of this thread. Kudos for recognizing your ass had been pre-kicked.


:lol, You're not too bright. I said we should use a tactic that's worked with the Israelis.:lol so you are saying they should do that with Jewish extremists as well. They are in Israel, and they plant bombs. In your world, there is no reason not to profile all Jews in Israel as well. If there is. let us all know what it is.


By your standards, just because Woodrow Wilson's previous staff and FDR admired some of Mussolini's programs, to be consistent, they should have also persecuted the jews, and joined the Axis powers.They're your standards. You think they are so effective they must be used, so they should be used on every potential terrorist. Which is, in reality, everyone.


You're too tool for school.And there's the ad hominem.

Predictable. :tu

[Ignignokt]

Well, there's the complaining. I was just trying to expand my ownership of this thread. Kudos for recognizing your ass had been pre-kicked.

:lol so you are saying they should do that with Jewish extremists as well. They are in Israel, and they plant bombs. In your world, there is no reason not to profile all Jews in Israel as well. If there is. let us all know what it is.

They're your standards. You think they are so effective they must be used, so they should be used on every potential terrorist. Which is, in reality, everyone.

And there's the ad hominem.

Predictable. :tu


I know you know you think you won.

:lmao

You still self declare victory, you still make arguments for people they didn't make. When are you going to start owning up to yourself?

[Ignignokt]

Chump never dissapoints with hypocrisy.

He complains about ad hominems, and projecting 24/7 it's his schtick.


Next he's going to bitch about not staying on subject or people not ever taking positions.

How can the Toros hire an unstable person?

[ChumpDumper]

I know you know you think you won.It's self evident.


You still self declare victory, you still make arguments for people they didn't make. When are you going to start owning up to yourself?So are you saying there are practical limits to whom should be profiled?

Yes or no?


What argument are you really making here?

[ChumpDumper]

Chump never dissapoints with hypocrisy.

He complains about ad hominems, and projecting 24/7 it's his schtick.Props for not going to the homo smack.



Next he's going to bitch about not staying on subject or people not ever taking positions.I am trying to figure out exactly what you view is here, but we can talk about anything you like.


How can the Toros hire an unstable person?I don't work for the Toros.

[Ignignokt]

It's self evident.

So are you saying there are practical limits to whom should be profiled?

Yes or no?


Dumb question, it wouldn't be profiling if we profiled everyone indiscriminately.

[ChumpDumper]

Dumb question, it wouldn't be profiling if we profiled everyone indiscriminately.Should Israel screen all Jews since there are Jewish terrorists?

[Ignignokt]

Props for not going to the homo smack.

Props for not calling on your buddies to tag team with you in this thread because you needed help.



I am trying to figure out exactly what you view is here, but we can talk about anything you like.

My view is that the FBI should have gave information to the military concerning their soldier, and if they already did that.. the military should have demoted him, and or kicked him out along with his poor performance and issues with his sanity and statements.

I think, sans the knowledge of his internet postings, the military knew about the major's remarks and strange behaviour, they should have seen this and immediately acted instead of being PC.

[ChumpDumper]

Props for not calling on your buddies to tag team with you in this thread because you needed help.I have never done that as i have never needed help.


My view is that the FBI should have gave information to the military concerning their soldier, and if they already did that.. the military should have demoted him, and or kicked him out along with his poor performance and issues with his sanity and statements.Which statements were actionable by the military?

[Ignignokt]

I have never done that as i have never needed help.

Which statements were actionable by the military?

his postings in which he elevated suicide bombing to be heroic, and statements from his colleagues about him saying that the iraqi's should fight against the american forces.

That atleast should have brought in his loyalty into question.

[ChumpDumper]

his postings in which he elevated suicide bombing to be heroic, and statements from his colleagues about him saying that the iraqi's should fight against the american forces.

That atleast should have brought in his loyalty into question.Are those actionable statements in the military?

[Ignignokt]

Are those actionable statements in the military?

with his poor performance coupled with his eval? That should be enough. He wanted out from serving.. the military could have granted his wish either way.

[ChumpDumper]

with his poor performance coupled with his eval? That should be enough.But is it actually enough? That was my question.

[doobs]

So he's at BAMC?

[antimvp]

I am a nurse at BAMC.........any instructions guys.

[boutons_deux]

right-wing lie-rag reports with prestige and honor:

"Shooter advised Obama transition"

--- WorldNetDaily

[hope4dopes]

right-wing lie-rag reports with prestige and honor:

"Shooter advised Obama transition"

--- WorldNetDaily I hear eric holder is pulling out all the stops on this one. He's not going to rest until he unearths this piece of shit's ties to right wing terrorists.

[hope4dopes]

But is it actually enough? That was my question. Yeah excellent question maybe we should get the thoughts of the family of the americans he massacred.

[spurms]

America should screen all Jews because that country is run by Jews, oh wait...nvm. Half of your congress is more loyal to Israel than the USA, keep the masses happy with Hollywood, feed them Zionist controlled mass media, while keeping the real information away from their hopelessly brainwashed people. Like the issue that the entire world is against the Illegal Jewish occupation of the West Bank and only America and Israel are for it, lol, United states of Zionist. At the end of the day, you gentiles, or whatever i should call you still outnumbered the Zionist 100:1, and what did you do about it? Feed yourselves fat and happy, only a very few are willing to fight for the truth or human principles, no America has lost it's morale ground forever, along with Israel now sweating like a bitch after losing the Lebanese war in 2006, and the prospect of Iran armed with nukes, so they go out and killed 400+ Palestinian children and called it a fight against terrorism!

[Winehole23]

We lost the morale ground forever. Funny stuff, spurms. Are you a Rockettes fan?

[Winehole23]

I hear eric holder is pulling out all the stops on this one. He's not going to rest until he unearths this piece of shit's ties to right wing terrorists.I'd kinda be surprised if Major Hasan had ties to any terrorist at all besides himself. Do you know something about this that we don't, micca?

[spurms]

We lost the morale ground forever. Funny stuff, spurms. Are you a Rockettes fan?

Are you a dumbass? That is a rhetorical question btw! Let's discuss the real issue at hand, are you a willing moron, or a zionist? There's only two types of people in your great homeland of lies and deceit. There's hardly any room for the third type because they get weeded out real quickly by the real fools and their zionist masters. :lol

[spurms]

you see, you guys claim to have the free will, the freedom, instead, it's you americans who doesn't have the free will, willing to be subjugated from within your own country! No wonder you so freely invade the sovereignty of other countries! cause you guys have been invaded by zionist policy makers that dictates your countries over the years, say hi to Kissinger, and Brzezinski! When will you learn that being subjacated will not be accepted by anyone? You have lost all wars in countries you try to invade, starting from the Korean War, Vietnam War, and now the Afghan War, but the biggest war you lost is the zionist control of your country, when is the time to put up and fight, no you people are willing drones, happy that your country is being invaded from within by another sovereign power.

[Winehole23]

Let's discuss the real issue at hand, are you a willing moron, or a zionist? There's only two types of people in your great homeland of lies and deceit. There's hardly any room for the third type because they get weeded out real quickly by the real fools and their zionist masters. :lolOnly two flavors at the spurms ice cream shop? No thanks. Think I'll pass.

[Winehole23]

Are you a Rockets troll, spurms?

[spurms]

Are you a Rockets troll, spurms?

Are you willfully avoiding this debate, sheep?

[Winehole23]

you see, you guys claim to have the free will, the freedom, instead, it's you americans who doesn't have the free will, willing to be subjugated from within your own country! No wonder you so freely invade the sovereignty of other countries! cause you guys have been invaded by zionist policy makers that dictates your countries over the years, say hi to Kissinger, and Brzezinski! When will you learn that being subjacated will not be accepted by anyone? You have lost all wars in countries you try to invade, starting from the Korean War, Vietnam War, and now the Afghan War, but the biggest war you lost is the zionist control of your country, when is the time to put up and fight, no you people are willing drones, happy that your country is being invaded from within by another sovereign power.Being subjacated will not be accepted by anyone. How true.

Maybe you should start your own thread on this. The connection with this one is pretty tenuous, and you're more likely to get the breadth of response your deep thinking on the topic deserves. Here it just looks like a kooky rant.

[spurms]

Being subjacated will not be accepted by anyone. How true.

Maybe you should start your own thread on this. The connection with this one is pretty tenuous, and you're more likely to get the breadth of response your deep thinking on the topic deserves. Here it just looks like a kooky rant.

There's no need for deep thinking on this issue, only a willful moron, or the devil's advocate couldn't figure it out, till it's too late.

[Winehole23]

Are you willfully avoiding this debate, sheep?My question was first. Why are you avoiding it?

[Winehole23]

There's no need for deep thinking on this issue, only a willful moron, or the devil's advocate couldn't figure it out, till it's too late.Enough small talk. Are you ashamed of your team? Why won't you admit you're a Rockettes fan?

[spurms]

My question was first. Why are you avoiding it?

I am not going to go argue with your one liner banter, a pretty lame attempt to divert attentions away from your Zionist issues, you would think a grown man could think of something better, like come up with a real debate instead of acting like a pussy:lol

[Winehole23]

What debate? You've already got your mind made up. It isn't my job to change it. I think you should stay exactly as you are.

A Rockets troll with an inferiority complex and pronounced paranoid obsessions. It becomes you. :tu

[spurms]

What debate? You've already got your mind made up. It isn't my job to change it. I think you should stay exactly as you are.

A Rockets troll with an inferiority complex and pronounced paranoid obsessions. It becomes you. :tu

You are obsessed with the Rocketts it seems, and everything about you revolves around sub culture. What the fuck is WRONG with you people? Willfull morons indeed.

[spurms]

A Rockets troll with an inferiority complex and pronounced paranoid obsessions. It becomes you. :tu

You needn't throw out medical terms that you don't even understand, you wouldn't like it if i call you autistic because you are a drone within your own country.

[Winehole23]

I read through your posts. You're basketball obsessed, and there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to support my self-loathing Rockettes fan hypothesis.

The prosonomasia is, uh, a bit of a giveaway. *spurms* is not infrequently found dribbling out of the mouths of Rocketsfans.

[Winehole23]

You needn't throw out medical terms that you don't even understand, you wouldn't like it if i call you autistic because you are a drone within your own country.Thanks for the clean bill of health. :lol

[spurms]

I read through your posts. You're basketball obsessed, and there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to support my self-loathing Rockettes fan hypothesis.

The prosonomasia is, uh, a bit of a giveaway. *spurms* is not infrequently found dribbling out of the mouths of Rocketsfans.

You are trying too hard to figure out who i am instead on focusing on what i said, you are focusing on who i am, that is an obvious sign of paranoia. You are not paranoid are you? Or do you just choose to live the rest of your life in denial?

[Winehole23]

I only suggested you let your mind run away with you. And that you're a pitiful Rockets troll. You said the USA is a Zionist sock-puppet. Which sounds more paranoid to you?

[spurms]

I only suggested you let your mind run away with you. You said the USA is a Zionist sock-puppet. Which sounds more paranoid to you?

The facts are on the table, every other countries around the world, that are not in support of the Zionist agenda knows this, The United states of Zionist knows this, Their AIPAC Jewish lobbyist knows this, their congress bought out by JEws and almost dominated by Jewish Zionist knows this, the illegal establishment of the state of Israel and the extermination of the Palestinian who provided shelter to the Jews from the Nazi's can attest to this. The world hasn't forgotten, not matter how hard the Zionist media tries to sweep it under the rug, the UN Charter haven't forget no matter how hard the US and Israeli bloc try to spin the issue, again the truth is on the table, it's easy to seek it out, if you are not a willful moron.

[Winehole23]

Keep digging. Please don't stop til you see a chinaman, ok?

[Winehole23]

We can all see what rooting for the Rockets has done to you. You a damn mess, son.

[spurms]

Keep digging. Please don't stop til you see a chinaman, ok?

Now you are resorting to speaking gibberish, have you decided to cover within your own turtle shell now? Are you afraid to hear the truth, does it really hurt so bad? Only willful morons or zionist are hurt by the truth :)

[spurms]

We can all see what rooting for the Rockets has done to you. You a damn mess, son.

We can do this in private my dear daughter, you seems to like me very much, hell so much so that, i am going to post real world news not Zionist media news on this forum every other day, and i will take your cue on it, i will start my own thread!

[Avitus1]

I work on Fort Hood... and it was crazy...

[Winehole23]

Now you are resorting to speaking gibberish, have you decided to cover within your own turtle shell now? Are you afraid to hear the truth, does it really hurt so bad? Only willful morons or zionist are hurt by the truth :)Oh, I heard you alright. Just, I don't keep counsel with pathetic trolls who stroll in here wearing sandwich boards.

Hold that against me if you like. I won't mind a bit.

[Winehole23]

you seems to like me very much, hell so much so that, i am going to post real world news not Zionist media news on this forum every other day, and i will take your cue on it, i will start my own thread!You should have done that to start with. Your contribution to this thread was nil.

[spurms]

Oh, I heard you alright. Just, I don't keep counsel with pathetic trolls who stroll in here wearing sandwich boards.

Hold that against me if you like. I won't mind a bit.

You dont keep counsel with a fuck what? Gibberish again, sandwich boards? Is that a Zionist thing?

[Winehole23]

I work on Fort Hood... and it was crazy...We've not yet had anything first hand in this thread, I think. Please feel free to amplify, Ativus1.

[Winehole23]

You dont keep counsel with a fuck what? Gibberish again, sandwich boards? Is that a Zionist thing?Not necessarily.


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[ChumpDumper]

Yeah excellent question maybe we should get the thoughts of the family of the americans he massacred.I was thinking more along the lines of anyone with actual knowledge of the procedural and legal issues, but you've already inserted your ignorance into the void for no good reason.

BTW, the gunman was American also.

[hope4dopes]

I was thinking more along the lines of anyone with actual knowledge of the procedural and legal issues, but you've already inserted your ignorance into the void for no good reason.

BTW, the gunman was American also.
Yeah well I was thinking more along the lines of people who actually had some kind of actual real life experinces, instead of a white bread suburbanite
adolecent living life through a computer screen,while fondeling his inflatable doll.

[MannyIsGod]

I work on Fort Hood... and it was crazy...

Glad to see you're ok.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah well I was thinking more along the lines of people who actually had some kind of actual real life experinces, instead of a white bread suburbanite adolecent living life through a computer screen,while fondeling his inflatable doll.Oh yeah, micca of da streets!

micca of the rich life experience.

Did you learn anything about the legal and procedural issues in this particular case on the streets during your hard tough guy upbringing, or you just excited at the thought of having another chance to meltdown on the internets?

[hope4dopes]

Do you blame Christianity for the OKC bombing? Or Roman Catholicism for the IRA? Stupid...... religon has nothing at all to do with what happened in ulster

[hope4dopes]

Oh yeah, micca of da streets!

micca of the rich life experience.

Did you learn anything about the legal and procedural issues in this particular case on the streets during your hard tough guy upbringing, or you just excited at the thought of having another chance to meltdown on the internets?Not that I recall, just about the difference between jacked up punk bitches and stand up folks.

[ChumpDumper]

Not that I recall, just about the difference between jacked up punk bitches and stand up folks.I was asking if anyone knew the procedural and legal issues involved because I didn't. As far as I could see, the military was planning on suspending him for a time, but didn't see that they could do anything else because there really wasn't anything else to punish.

Your upbringing on da streets didn't give you any knowledge of the issues either, did they?

You're a real stand-up guy, micca of da streets, admitting your ignorance like that.

[Winehole23]

Stupid...... religon has nothing at all to do with what happened in ulsterI never said it didn't. But the IRA didn't become terrorists because of what they learned in catechism.

[hope4dopes]

I was asking if anyone knew the procedural and legal issues involved because I didn't. As far as I could see, the military was planning on suspending him for a time, but didn't see that they could do anything else because there really wasn't anything else to punish.

Your upbringing on da streets didn't give you any knowledge of the issues either, did they?

You're a real stand-up guy, micca of da streets, admitting your ignorance like that.


I'm sorry chimp I assumed Radio Shack only had you stock the shelves I wasn't aware you were one of their lawyers....... I mean otherwise it'd look ridiculous for a shelf stocker to be discussing legal minutea.

[hope4dopes]

I never said it didn't. But the IRA didn't become terrorists because of what they learned in catechism. Well the fact this shithead was heard to scream" allah akbar" a well known islamist battle cry while he butchered people is different, in that I've never heard of the IRA spraying bullets and then screaming "take that from the holy father cunts"

[clambake]

Well the fact this shithead was heard to scream" allah akbar" a well known islamist battle cry while he butchered people is different, in that I've never heard of the IRA spraying bullets and then screaming "take that from the holy father cunts"

:lol now that is funny. :toast

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sorry chimp I assumed Radio Shack only had you stock the shelves I wasn't aware you were one of their lawyers....... I mean otherwise it'd look ridiculous for a shelf stocker to be discussing legal minutea.I don't work at Radio shack and I'm not a lawyer, micca of da streets.

Thanks for not discussing anything but me, though. It's good to know what's important to you.

[whottt]

I am still waiting for someone to present a compelling argument on why this guy doesn't need the living shit tortured out of him.

I know it's just a matter of time until his rights become more important than the 13 US troops he murdered and the 50 or 60 lives he just ruined, but I figure you guys are waiting until the bodies are in the ground before you start throwing them under the bus.


See I can tell you I would be saying this exact same thing if his name was John Smith and he was a christian. I do not give a fuck what his name is or what his religion is.

This is not an eye for an eye, for he was never mudered by 13 people previously. Although we certainly have that opportunity to repay him now. And to anyone familiar with his faith, it would be totally ok to do so according to it.

I do not believe he is subject to any civil laws because his targets were military personnel.

I do not believe he deserves the treatment accorded the Geneva convention because he did not adhere to it by clearly marking himself as an enemy combatant.



BTW, I am not interested in being better than them, I just like myself better than I like them...so don't even go there. If you try that logic in a life or death situation with a terrorist or anyone intent on causing your harm, you will wind up dead. It only works on people that are not going to hurt you. Since I am no better than they are, do not attempt to use it. And if you do...then you need to also use it on them instead of the current tactics ya'll use of inserting their dicks in your mouths and sucking(insert insults to gays here)


Simple question...


Why does this man not deserve to be tortured based on his actions?


This is the part where you guys stop sounding intelligent and start sounding like idiots with a complete detatchment from reality who are only unfraid to be critical of one group, white male christian raised men, otherwise known as yourselves...and who live in a world where no one kills 13 US Troops with families (it's all in our sociopathic little minds).

Spy or traitor...or mass murder. Why doesn't he deserve that fate when his guilt is beyond question?

[Winehole23]

Why does this man not deserve to be tortured based on his actions? Because he is an American and we are, too. Because torture is untraditional, illegal and immoral. Those are pretty good reasons for some people, though not, I would expect, for you.

Each to his own taste.

[panic giraffe]

I do not believe he is subject to any civil laws because his targets were military personnel.



i can agree with him being tried under UCMJ. especially with him being an officer, he betrayed the trust of those who may not have respected his religious beliefs, but had respect for his rank. how are you supposed to trust those who are barking orders at you if you have a deep seeded fear of that they might kill you? and even if it was some sort of a faith based attack (which i honestly don't believe, seems to me that he just snapped after not being able to deal with the horror stories he heard as a shrink to our stressed out soldiers, and the fact that he felt biased against due to his religion but that's just my two cents) he just caused more discrimination against every other arab or muslim american soldier.



Why does this man not deserve to be tortured based on his actions?


because i don't remember anywhere in the UCMJ does it say "punishable by torture" but i do remember seeing "punishable by death" in a few places.

[johnsmith]

I got through about 9 pages of this thread with the final conclusion being: you people are fucking idiots.


Those of you that "heard he hired a lawyer" about him being harassed..........good for you, you're now taking the word of a crazy person.........those of you that are making this into a political issue, you should kill yourself..........those of you that are wanting anything other then this man to die after being sentenced by our own military, go fuck yourself.


This forum is gay.

[Winehole23]

those of you that are wanting anything other then this man to die after being sentenced by our own military, go fuck yourself.I don't think anyone weighed in on this yet. The death sentence seems appropriate to me.

[ChumpDumper]

I think he should be punished to the full extent of the law. If that law includes torture, so be it. I'm not sure that it currently does, however.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't think anyone weighed in on this yet. The death sentence seems appropriate to me.

Someone mentioned "firing squad." I'll bet more Ft. Hood soldiers would volenteer than they could accomodate.

I think death by firing squad is long overdue.

[panic giraffe]

I don't think anyone weighed in on this yet. The death sentence seems appropriate to me.

i thought that was the consensus so far? i mean, i was just arguing against torture, because its un-American. however, i find nothing wrong with this case going only before a military court, and i believe the punishment for killing a fellow soldier in a non-friendly fire situation is pretty cut and dry. death. wacko or not he killed 12 enlisted men (going to assume there weren't any officers, but i haven't seen any name list yet) while being an officer and there was even one civilian causality, the guys fate is set in stone. i'm usually anti-death penalty, but i've said before the govt should not have a right to kill, unless in time of war, now while this isn't in a warzone, it was on base and was aimed at servicemen.

[Winehole23]

i thought that was the consensus so far? i mean, i was just arguing against torture, because its un-American. however, i find nothing wrong with this case going only before a military court, and i believe the punishment for killing a fellow soldier in a non-friendly fire situation is pretty cut and dry. death.Some people are so PO'd about this that probably anything said here would be annoying. It's understandable.


i'm usually anti-death penalty, but i've said before the govt should not have a right to kill, unless in time of war, now while this isn't in a warzone, it was on base and was aimed at servicemen.Me too, but I'm inclined to agree with you. This guy was a US officer. There were oaths involved. Whatever the UCMJ requires is fine by me.

[whottt]

Because he is an American and we are, too.

I'm pretty sure he just commited about 5 different types of treason, whether he acted alone or not and all it takes is one, so he is about to very shortly...no longer be an American.

In addition, regardless of what anyone says, people that commit acts of espionage and sabotage against a country do not get the treatment the laws say they are supposed to get. They get fucked, and I know this because I had a friend that was in the Special Forces and did these very things, long long before 9/11 happened.






Because torture is untraditional

Untraditional, for a predominantly christian country? Are you on crack?



Nothing untraditional about it, it is very traditional. Would you like some examples of past tortures on this very soil? American, pre-American, christian, Native American? Take your pick. Or would you just prefer an example of just about every other country in world history doing it?






illegal


Is it illegal in this case? I don't believe it actually is.



and immoral.

According to whom? Walt Fucking Disney?



Those are pretty good reasons for some people, though not, I would expect, for you.

Each to his own taste.

My taste is a utopian world where I teach the world to sing in perfect harmony and buy them a coca-cola and chump actually admits when he loses an argument with me, however, my taste is pure fantasy and unfortunately not one shared by the rest of the world, which is why it will remain a fantasy for a looooooooong time.


You know why there is no civilization in history like you guys expect America to be? Because all the people that attempted it got erased.

[Winehole23]

I'm pretty sure he just commited about 5 different types of treason, whether he acted alone or not and all it takes is one, so he is about to very shortly...no longer be an American. Tell me more, profe. I'm unfamiliar with the process.


In addition, regardless of what anyone says, people that commit acts of espionage and sabotage against a country do not get the treatment the laws say they are supposed to get. Says you. Usually they do.


They get fucked, and I know this because I had a friend that was in the Special Forces and did these very things, long long before 9/11 happened. Sure. That can happen. There is such a thing as informal justice.


Untraditional, for a predominantly christian country? Are you on crack? Untraditional for us, if you go by the rules. I'll readily accept that ignoring the rules is also a tradition. That's what the rules are for.


Nothing untraditional about it, it is very traditional. Would you like some examples of past tortures on this very soil? American, pre-American, christian, Native American? Take your pick. Or would you just prefer an example of just about every other country in world history doing it? Pass.


Is it illegal in this case? I don't believe it actually is. It's illegal under the eighth amendment, the Reagan-era treaty and the 1996 US statute. Not that I expect that to mean anything to you.




You know why there is no civilization in history like you guys expect America to be? Because all the people that attempted it got erased.Like who? Have we been erased yet?

[koriwhat]

id say chop his hands off, blind him, and drop his ass off in the middle of iraq. with no hands he can't injure any more soldiers and without eyes he won't see the bullets headed straight for him.

[whottt]

Tell me more, profe. I'm unfamiliar with the process.

My pleasure:

www.google.com

www.wikipedia.com






Untraditional for us, if you go by the rules. I'll readily accept that ignoring the rules is also a tradition. That's what the rules are for.

It's not untraditional for Muslims historically either, or Jews that for matter.






It's illegal under the eighth amendment, the 1996 treaty and US statute. Not that I expect that to mean anything to you.

Would you mind showing me exactly what you mean?

Because I can show you this guys own religious creed saying it's perfectly ok to take off some body parts(no horses necessary), and since he clearly showed himself to be in sympathy with the most fundamentalist ones and I know how you much respect you guys have for the Muslim Faith fundamentalist or not, I'd say this is definitely the time to take the views of other cultures and relgions into account and not just dismiss them for our superior American ways.

I'd say pretty inarguably this guy was a devout one.


Furthermore, this guy was a member of the US Military it is highly likely him considering himself to be a muslim(and not a bad one), that he knew some other muslims with similar slant to their views and just may have passed information along to them then could be used by those we are war with.

I know I'm probably being completely delusional in thinking this devout Muslim man knew any other Muslims, and for not realizing that there are actually no muslims of any branch that hate the US and that is all in my head. He probably didn't know a single one in fact, probably just some silly nut that went to work and then went home with absotely no social life ...but still, technically I believe I have valid point that it just might be to our benefit to extract information out of him.....given the fact that, we actually are at war with an Islamic Theocratic movement that has shown the ability to arm substantial numbers of people and willingness to use them. And believe it or not...they actually declared war on us.










Like who? Have we been erased yet?

Who's we?



Anyway, I can tell by the glum responses the fate that awaits this man is kind of a sad realization for many of you...

Just pretend it's Bush, or Sarah Palin(just joking on that one, I sincerely want to cheer you guys up).

Even better...pretend he's an Afghani man who drinks his own sewage, or woman who dreams of the day she'll have a better life than a llama as she lights herself on fire because it's just, their way(and also drinks her own sewage)....fuck them, savages, not our probem(but oh how we respect them), etc.


You guys don't want Muslims being wrongly persecuted? Neither do I...you cannot handle this guy with kid gloves. He needs to be treated as a traitor, as a spy, as a saboteur, and as an example, and you know what, believe it or not, the men and women in our military have rights to, they have the right to be supported by us and for us to do everything in our power to protect them rather than tying not one but both hands behind their back in a time of war as we stick our stupid heads up our overly idealistic asses.

[Winehole23]

we actually are at war with an Islamic Theocratic movementI know you mean well, but you might as well be taking orders from UBL. This is exactly what he wants: hypermasculine deluded crusader mentality. You and your kind have done Al Qaeda's recruiting for them. Probably for the next couple of generations. You justify their deluded theology for them, and prove to them what they've been saying about us all along is true. Nice work!


Because I can show you this guys own religious creed saying it's perfectly ok to take off some body parts(no horses necessary), and since he clearly showed himself to be in sympathy with the most fundamentalist ones and I know how you much respect you guys have for the Muslim Faith fundamentalist or not, I'd say this is definitely the time to take the views of other cultures and relgions into account and not just dismiss them for our superior American ways.

I'd say pretty inarguably this guy was a devout one. When you pull things out of the air you always say you can demonstrate it but you never do. Don't get me wrong, fiat is fine by me. But you should drop the conceit that you've *shown* us anything. It's pretentious bullshit.


Even better...pretend he's an Afghani man who drinks his own sewage, or woman who dreams of the day she'll have a better life than a llama as she lights herself on fire because it's just, their way(and also drinks her own sewage)....fuck them, savages, not our probem(but oh how we respect them), etc.The pose of the high-minded humanitarian sooo does not suit you.

Anyway, I thought you wanted to eliminate the shitholes of the earth, not alleviate them. In your morbid zeal to insult others you seem to have forgotten yourself somewhat. Intemperate rage can throw you off like that.


Neither do I...you cannot handle this guy with kid gloves.Who suggested that? The death penalty may not satisfy you, but it would be the effective end of Major Hasan.


rather than tying not one but both hands behind their back in a time of war Your gift for overstatement is truly impressive. Nice rant, whottt.

[clambake]

manufacturing evidence to justify war should be an act of treason.

all treasonous actors should suffer. not just the ones who act alone.

[whottt]

Fucking Fucking Fucking Idiots.

As a muslim I can't stand these bastards. Get the fuck out of here if you don't like it. Its amazing how these small % of morons can bring everyone down. I hope they burn in hell for eternity.

Sook, they do not drag you down. And you are not responsible for the actions of some idiots. No one but a select group of idiots thinks all Muslims are terrorists. That said the moderate ones are not nearly as loud and noticable as the violent ones, and they tend to lose control of their countries to the asshole ones. And no one can really tell which is which because hte moderates don't do a very good job of drawing the distinction(and I know some of them try).

I do think many Muslims love the concept of Islamic states like Westerners love Democracy and that frankly scares the shit out of me as I do not want to live in any sort of Islamic state.

Main reason being? Nearly every big country that is any kind of Islamic Monarchy, Theocracy or whatever kind of archy you want to add to it, treats it's people like complete shit. And they are flat out fucking experts at blaming someone else for it. And it's got nothing to do with money or US Support either.


Israel may for instance may the biggest collection of assholes on the planet in the eyes of many Muslims, however, they treat their people better than any big Islamic anything I can think of.


We support the shit out of Saudi Arabia, they are our ally every bit as much as Israel is and have been for much longer, they are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and they still treat their people like shit, especially their women.

Pakistan, the original Islamic State of the modern world is the worst fucking Government in Asia outside of the Taliban. I mean even India is obviously a much better place to live inspite of it's massive population. Same people once upon a time, one wanted to be a Theocracy and the other Democracy and the Democracy is clearly a better place to live, I mean India isn't totally based on upon bribes, Pakistan is.

Iran is also one of the wealthiest countries in the world and they also treat their people like shit, although, not as badly as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia do. Some of it is due to sanctions but there is absolutely no doubt that Theorcracy treats it's people much much shittier than the previous regime did.


Islam backslid particularly in the area of women's rights and between the constant wars in the ME and that, that is the problem I see in those countries, that is the gap I see.


And I'm not just talking from ignorance, because I have dated a Muslim girl before from a moderate family, she is still one of my dearest friends and I know her stories of growing up, I know exactly what a rare occurence that was and I also know how her family reacted to her dating me, and it was a total and complete shitstorm. (she hated the wars too btw, and she actually blames the women for their own lack of status in Pakistan, but I disagree).


That is why those countries are shitholes IMO and that is why most of Europe, the Americas and parts of Asia are not. Women's rights.


You see pussywhipped countries are more humane countries, we are all pussywhipped, and the ME is not. That is why they trail in humanitarian rights and produce radicals of an extremely violent and destructive nature.


It is basically a race to see if we can pussywhip the ME as we ourselves have been pussywhipped, before we are too pussywhipped to do it.


Yes some of the women will get spoiled and turn meaner, in some ways meaner than any man could ever hope to be, and there will no longer be control over them, and we will all be much better off for it. It is their right as human beings, and their voice is an important one when it comes to humanitarian type shit, as they are the nuturers and we are the killers.

[whottt]

manufacturing evidence to justify war should be an act of treason.

all treasonous actors should suffer. not just the ones who act alone.

I'm guessing you'll be wearing black for at least one day after his trial.

[whottt]

I know you mean well, but you might as well be taking orders from UBL. This is exactly what he wants: hypermasculine deluded crusader mentality.

No you are the one that might as well be taking orders from him, and that's exactly what he wants you to think.

He is not in a cave because of your willingness to suck him off. He is probably quite willing to take you up on it just as soon as he gets out of his cave.

He is in a cave because he has zero desire to die at the hands of the US Military.

It's not that hard to see that their supply of willing suicide bombers declined severely to the point where they had to drug aind intimidate people into doing it.

Recruiting tool, my ass.

A 10,000 to 1 death ratio is not a recruiting tool for even the biggest of idiots.

9/11 is the recruiting tool, the victory over the Soviets was the recruiting tool, victories in Iraq and Afghanistan would be recruiting tools. The shitty governments are the recruiting tool(aimed at us) Getting slaugthered is not, there are only so many people that have a shitty enough life they are willing to do that.


You and your kind have done Al Qaeda's recruiting for them. Probably for the next couple of generations. You justify their deluded theology for them, and prove to them what they've been saying about us all along is true. Nice work!

Riight, and kicking the shit out Germany was a recruiting tool for Nazis. Dropping some atom bombs on Japan was a recruiting tool for feudal Japan.

Seriously...you are so fucking detatched from reality it is not even funny.




When you pull things out of the air you always say you can demonstrate it but you never do. Don't get me wrong, fiat is fine by me. But you should drop the conceit that you've *shown* us anything. It's pretentious bullshit.

It's hilarious that you are lecturing someone on pretentiousness...when I want to be pretentious, I simply read your posts and take notes. If I want to OD on it I will read any extended dialogue between you and Marcus Bryant.




The pose of the high-minded humanitarian sooo does not suit you.

Well you know what? I am a high minded humanitarian, and my postion does not change, and has not changed for pretty much most of my time in this forum, it is a consistent position on nearly every subject. I am the most humane guy in the world, until it comes to fuckwads. And there is a difference between being a humanitarian and a complete fucking idiot.




Anyway, I thought you wanted to eliminate the shitholes of the earth, not alleviate them. In your morbid zeal to insult others you seem to have forgotten yourself somewhat. Intemperate rage can throw you off like that.

You make no sense with that statement. And my positions on shitholes are consistent, I think they are bad.




Who suggested that? The death penalty may not satisfy you, but it would be the effective end of Major Hasan.

Well, you kill someone to eliminate the threat of them harming anyone else, not for revenge.

Since he is paralyzed I think it will be difficult for him to kill anyone again.

And I think he potentially could save lives and alleviate distrust with the right extraction methods applied to him.




Your gift for overstatement is truly impressive. Nice rant, whottt.

And your gift for getting own by trolls(shitty and good) is pretty much beyond compare. Hats off to ya Mr. Hole. You know I actually felt sorry for what happened to you with Spurms for a second. Till this ample reminder that it was deserved.

[hope4dopes]

death by torture works for me.

[Nbadan]

I think some people are gonna wish he'd already died...

[Winehole23]

He is not in a cave because of your willingness to suck him off. He is probably quite willing to take you up on it just as soon as he gets out of his cave.Gay smack. The first refuge of idiots. You put yourself in the range of this forums other secret swishes gtown, jacksommerset and micca with analysis like this.


9/11 is the recruiting tool, the victory over the Soviets was the recruiting tool, victories in Iraq and Afghanistan would be recruiting tools. The shitty governments are the recruiting tool(aimed at us) Getting slaugthered is not, there are only so many people that have a shitty enough life they are willing to do that. This is where your ignorance shows. Invading Muslim countries and killing Muslims creates an obligation of revenge that will never go away.


It's hilarious that you are lecturing someone on pretentiousness...when I want to be pretentious, I simply read your posts and take notes. If I want to OD on it I will read any extended dialogue between you and Marcus Bryant. You make shit shit up and pretend you *know* something. That is the very definition of pretentious, It's not a lecture. It's a description.


Well you know what? I am a high minded humanitarian, and my postion does not change, and has not changed for pretty much most of my time in this forum, it is a consistent position on nearly every subject. I am the most humane guy in the world, until it comes to fuckwads.And modest too.


You make no sense with that statement. And my positions on shitholes are consistent, I think they are bad. You once said all the shitholes ought to be bombed out of existence. Now you pretend you want to lift them up. That doesn't go too well with your gospel of brutality and endless war, but whatever.

[whottt]

Gay smack.The first refuge of idiots. You put yourself in the range of this forums other secret swishes gtown, jacksommerset and micca with analysis like this.

I didn't say anything about gays.


You are the one jumping to that conclusion. You are the one that considers the intent behind my comment as an insinuation you are gay. You are the one considers that to be an insult.






This is where your ignorance shows. Invading Muslim countries and killing Muslims creates an obligation of revenge that will never go away.

Oh...ok, well in that case guess what? Then I guess it's ok for us to invade any and all Muslim countries since they are at officially at war with us, not to mention engage in open warfare with any persons of Muslim faith anwhere if what you say is true. In fact, why even bother to invade. we have the capacity to blast most of them off planet and should probably do so to ensure our own survival if what you say is true.

And if also what you say is true, then the immediate roundup and either expulsion and or extermination of all Muslims would be an act of self defense.


Assuming what you say is true...and you are the one that said it, not I.


In that case, I still say you sucking Usama off is a bad move. Probably better to kill him and anyone else inclined to agree with his views rather than blow them.




You make shit shit up and pretend you *know* something. That is the very definition of pretentious, It's not a lecture. It's a description.

Ok.




And modest too.

You once said all the shitholes ought to be bombed out of existence.
Would you mind providing the link so I can see the context in which it was made and who I was making it to? I'm not doubting I said something like that, however I doubt very seriously the comment was as clear cut as that.






Now you pretend you want to lift them up.

I don't pretend shit, I'm not the guy that's been saying we should pull out of Iraq because they are savages for the last 6 years, that would be the more vocal liberals that say that. Nbadan and boutons(among others).





That doesn't go too well with your gospel of brutality and endless war
My gospel? You are the one that just claimed Muslims consider themselves to now be in an unending war with us, not I.




but whatever.

Yes, whatever indeed...sucker of Usama's dick(and I'm not calling you gay btw).

Let me rephrase that since your obvious homophobia is preventing you from getting the primary intent behind that comment...

Yes what ever...heterosexual straight male who prefers sexual relations with women, not men, willing sucker of Usama's dick.


Does that make it a little more clear to you? If not let me know and I will rephrase it again.

[sook]

Sook, they do not drag you down. And you are not responsible for the actions of some idiots. No one but a select group of idiots thinks all Muslims are terrorists. That said the moderate ones are not nearly as loud and noticable as the violent ones, and they tend to lose control of their countries to the asshole ones. And no one can really tell which is which because hte moderates don't do a very good job of drawing the distinction(and I know some of them try).

I do think many Muslims love the concept of Islamic states like Westerners love Democracy and that frankly scares the shit out of me as I do not want to live in any sort of Islamic state.

Main reason being? Nearly every big country that is any kind of Islamic Monarchy, Theocracy or whatever kind of archy you want to add to it, treats it's people like complete shit. And they are flat out fucking experts at blaming someone else for it. And it's got nothing to do with money or US Support either.


Israel may for instance may the biggest collection of assholes on the planet in the eyes of many Muslims, however, they treat their people better than any big Islamic anything I can think of.


We support the shit out of Saudi Arabia, they are our ally every bit as much as Israel is and have been for much longer, they are one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and they still treat their people like shit, especially their women.

Pakistan, the original Islamic State of the modern world is the worst fucking Government in Asia outside of the Taliban. I mean even India is obviously a much better place to live inspite of it's massive population. Same people once upon a time, one wanted to be a Theocracy and the other Democracy and the Democracy is clearly a better place to live, I mean India isn't totally based on upon bribes, Pakistan is.

Iran is also one of the wealthiest countries in the world and they also treat their people like shit, although, not as badly as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia do. Some of it is due to sanctions but there is absolutely no doubt that Theorcracy treats it's people much much shittier than the previous regime did.


Islam backslid particularly in the area of women's rights and between the constant wars in the ME and that, that is the problem I see in those countries, that is the gap I see.


And I'm not just talking from ignorance, because I have dated a Muslim girl before from a moderate family, she is still one of my dearest friends and I know her stories of growing up, I know exactly what a rare occurence that was and I also know how her family reacted to her dating me, and it was a total and complete shitstorm. (she hated the wars too btw, and she actually blames the women for their own lack of status in Pakistan, but I disagree).


That is why those countries are shitholes IMO and that is why most of Europe, the Americas and parts of Asia are not. Women's rights.


You see pussywhipped countries are more humane countries, we are all pussywhipped, and the ME is not. That is why they trail in humanitarian rights and produce radicals of an extremely violent and destructive nature.


It is basically a race to see if we can pussywhip the ME as we ourselves have been pussywhipped, before we are too pussywhipped to do it.


Yes some of the women will get spoiled and turn meaner, in some ways meaner than any man could ever hope to be, and there will no longer be control over them, and we will all be much better off for it. It is their right as human beings, and their voice is an important one when it comes to humanitarian type shit, as they are the nuturers and we are the killers.

Although after recent evidence it is likely he didn't do it for religon, it doesn't help that muslims have been gven a bad name by 9/11 terrorists etc.. and that this piece of shit commits this type of atrocity.

And I'm not against torturing him for the record.

[sook]

Well the fact this shithead was heard to scream" allah akbar" a well known islamist battle cry while he butchered people is different, in that I've never heard of the IRA spraying bullets and then screaming "take that from the holy father cunts"

He didn't.

[panic giraffe]

anyone else see this yet?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/fort_hood_shootings/Profiles_of_Fort_Hoods_victims.html

really sad, and i was wrong before thinking they were all enlisted, 4 officers(reserve and active), 8 enlisted (including a pregnant sgt.).

[Nbadan]

A preliminary review of the computer of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the accused shooter in Thursday's rampage at Fort Hood in which 13 people were killed, has revealed no evidence of any connection to terror groups or conspirators, according to law enforcement officials.

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/08/national/main5578580.shtml)

[DarrinS]

I believe that 911 was committed by Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, and George Bush; therefore, anything I have to say about the subject of terrorism has ZERO credibility.

[MannyIsGod]

K, but that wasn't something Dan said that was something CBS reported an official investigating said.

[hope4dopes]

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/08/national/main5578580.shtml)


Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan Malik was a lifelong Muslim.

"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife...

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."
As Sultan Knish (http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2009/11/brief-update-fort-hood-shooters-former.html) notes:
Faizul Khan is not just some (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspect) Imam. He is on the board of directors of ISNA, the Islamic Society of North America. ISNA's links to terrorist are extensive and well known (http://www.investigativeproject.org/1076/isnas-ties-to-terror).....The Islamic Society of North America (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6178) is a Wahhabi Islamist group (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6178)co-created by Sami Al Arian, of the Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Islamic Jihad.

Islam scholar Stephen Schwartz describes ISNA as "one of the chief conduits through which the radical Saudi form of Islam passes into the United States."

According to terrorism expert Steven Emerson, ISNA "is a radical group hiding under a false veneer of moderation"; "convenes annual conferences where Islamist militants have been given a platform to incite violence and promote hatred" (for instance, al Qaeda supporter and PLO official Yusuf Al-Qaradhawi was invited to speak at an ISNA conference); has held fundraisers for terrorists (after Hamas leader Mousa Marzook was arrested and eventually deported in 1997, ISNA raised money for his defense); has condemned the U.S. government's post-9/11 seizure of Hamas' and Palestinian Islamic Jihad's financial assets; and publishes a bi-monthly magazine, Islamic Horizons, that "often champions militant Islamist doctrine."

Adds Emerson: "I think ISNA has been an umbrella, also a promoter of groups that have been involved in terrorism.....ISNA has sponsored extremists, racists, people who call for Jihad against the United States."

Emerson further reports that "In September 2002, a full year after the 9/11 attacks, speakers at ISNA's annual conference still refused to acknowledge Bin Laden's role in the terrorist attacks."
....Faizul Khan is not just a member, he's on the Board of Directors and held down a major Saudi funded mosque in Washington. Khan was also the Administrator and Assistant Director of Rabita, the Muslim World League.

[Winehole23]

http://www.atlargely.com/atlargely/2009/11/abc-journalism-mia.html

[Winehole23]

More leftist insanity.


Was It a Terrorist Attack? [Jonah Goldberg (%4ao%6eah%4e%52O@%67ma%69%6c.com)]

Much of the chatter over the weekend was whether or not the Fort Hood shooting can be classified a "terrorist attack." It seems to me this reveals one of the shortcomings of the language of the war on terror. I know there are all sorts of legalistic definitions about what constitutes terrorism and what doesn't. But it seems to me a case could be made that this was, variously, an act of war, an act of treason, or a war crime, but not an act of terrorism.

Terrorism is, by conventional definition, an attack on civilians intended to strike fear in the non-military population in order to advance a political or ideological agenda. Hasan didn't attack civilians, he attacked uniformed members of the U.S. Army in advance of their deployment to the frontlines. It was an evil act, but was it an act of terrorism?

Ultimately, if we're going to call the violent acts of Jihadis "terrorism" wherever and whenever they occur, then I guess I'm fine with calling it terrorism. But I can't help but think this illuminates some blind spots in the way we think about these questions.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YTRjMWY5MGNiMzQyNzM3Zjg0ZmJjYzA4NTMxYjEzYjg=

[Winehole23]

Re: Was It Terrorism? [Cliff May]


My two cents: The most widely accepted definition of a terrorist is someone who intentionally targets non-combatants with violence for political purposes. The shooter at Fort Hood, by contrast, was targeting uniformed combatants. In that sense, he was not a terrorist. So what was he? A traitor, a man who wore his country’s uniform, and killed his fellow countrymen in the service of his country’s enemies.

Is there a reason we no longer use the word “traitor”? Maybe it’s time to reintroduce it into our vocabulary?

There is this complicating factor: Soldiers acting as peace-keepers, e.g. the U.S. Marines in Beirut who were suicide-bombed by Hezbollah in 1983, are considered non-combatants. So attacking them does count as terrorism.

By contrast, the troops at Fort Hood had been (or were to be) fighting al-Qaeda and the Taliban. They were combatants, even if they were not on a conventional battlefield.

I think our working assumption has to be that what took place at Fort Hood was an act of treachery and asymmetrical warfare, an act — in the eyes of the perpetrator — of jihad on behalf of Islamist terrorists.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2YwN2EyODk4ZTVlNWM4NzIyZDk3OTlkMmI4ODIyNzQ=

[Nbadan]

Looks like more misdirection from Brian Ross and ABC News


U.S. intelligence agencies were aware months ago that Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan was attempting to make contact with people associated with al Qaeda, two American officials briefed on classified material in the case told ABC News.

Army knew suspected Fort Hood gunman had contact with al Qaeda recruiter.[/B]

According to the officials, the Army was informed of Hasan's contact, but it is unclear what, if anything, the Army did in response.

Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), the ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said that he requested the CIA and other intelligence agencies brief the committee on what was known, if anything, about Hasan by the U.S. intelligence community, only to be refused.

In response, Hoekstra issued a document preservation request to four intelligence agencies. The letter, dated November 7th, was sent to directors Dennis Blair (DNI), Robert Mueller (FBI), Lt. Gen Keith Alexander (NSA) and Leon Panetta (CIA).

Hoekstra said he is "absolutely furious" that the house intel committee has been refused an intelligence briefing by the DNI or CIA on Hasan's attempt to reach out to al Qaeda, as first reported by ABC News.

"This is a law enforcement investigation, in which other agencies—not the CIA—have the lead," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said in a response to ABC News. " Any suggestion that the CIA refused to brief Congress is incorrect."
Related

Investigators want to know if Hasan maintained contact with a radical mosque leader from Virginia, Anwar al Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen and runs a web site that promotes jihad around the world against the U.S.

In a blog posting early Monday titled "Nidal Hassan Did the Right Thing," Awlaki calls Hasan a "hero" and a "man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people."

That is so bullshit....it's a shame what has happened to ABC after Peter Jennings died...there would be no way in hell Hasan would have been giving military security clearances and sent back to Iraq if he was suspected of collaborating with a guy like Awalaki....ABC News and Brian Ross's agenda seems to be to paint Hasan as a terrorists...I'll let you think about the why....

[boutons_deux]

Terrorism sells ads.

The Army is saying "Allahu Ahkbar" is speculation.

Impossible to know, but the Army will tell any lie to cover its ass and inflate itself.

75 suicides at Ft Hood this year through July. LOTS of non-Muslims are cracking up from the Repugs bullshit, bogus wars.

[johnsmith]

75 suicides at Ft Hood this year through July. LOTS of non-Muslims are cracking up from the Repugs bullshit, bogus wars.

Again, you're a fucking idiot..........you should really READ your "facts" before you post them on here.

[Winehole23]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/11/06/Fort-Hood-plagued-by-suicides/UPI-33131257558240/

[johnsmith]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2009/11/06/Fort-Hood-plagued-by-suicides/UPI-33131257558240/

Thank you sir.

[Winehole23]

75 suicides since 2003:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us/10post.html

[doobs]

It was an act of jihadism.

I'll leave it to other to decide whether to call it terrorism.

[johnsmith]

75 suicides since 2003:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/10/us/10post.html

No no no.........boutons said it's 75 this year...........in multiple threads..........so it has to be that way.

[Winehole23]

boutons relied on the blogs. I'm guessing he saw the piece in Alternet.

[doobs]

http://volokh.com/2009/11/10/a-peek/

Pretty funny.

[whottt]

So tell me dan and boutons, what do you guys think should happen to this fellow? I'm genuinely interested in knowing.

[whottt]

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2YwN2EyODk4ZTVlNWM4NzIyZDk3OTlkMmI4ODIyNzQ=


You could have just posted my definition, from earlier in this thread.



I'll tell you something else, he is clearly guilty of Treason which is grounds for loss of citizenship,. thus rendering him a man without a country that is a signatory of the Geneva Convention, not that Al-Qaeda is either, a fact that seems to confuse just about every anti-war in the country.


If you tell me he is just a typical <uslim that feels America is at war with Muslims, well guess what? That is a belief of the terrorist we are war with, and it was they that declared war upon us.

That all muslims are at war with the United States is also a belief of those at war with, and if it is a belief of all Muslims, then all Muslims must be considered terrorist sympathizers.

However I know that is not true, because sook has clearly pointed that is not the case.


No one else seems to be pickin up on this so let me state this also, he is also spy and a saboteur and he is guilty of espionage.

You see as a psychiatrist he has a been in a position to not only profile US Soldiers, say to discern the the primary cause of what makes them lose their effectiveness a soldier and cause them to become mentally unstable, he's also been in a position to learn sensitive and classified information those soldiers may have inadvertantly revealed in the course of a session with him.

It's entirely possible that he sees how many US troops ere already distrustful of Muslims, and this act may have been the direct result of that information.

For it most certainly does inhibit the effectiveness of the US Military by promoting an atmosphere of distrust, and that is sabotage.


And when I read he is talking to a known radical Muslim Imam with ties to Al-Qaeda about what seems to be a relatively benign topic like PTSD among US Soldiers, the fact that he has a been in a position to compile profiles on the usual causes of PTSD or other thing US Soldiers struggle with, I consider that espionage, it is clearly spying for the enemy.

And since that enemy just so happens to be a terrorist organization, that makes him a terrorist, whether this was an act of terrorism, or not.



I do not consider the severing of this mans limbs to be socially unacceptable since there are roughtly 1 billion people in the world that adhere to a religious belief that claims it is totally ok to do so, in the case of treason, including several nations. And including the terrorist organization we are at war with, and this man himself.


I personally think anyone that solicits the chance to defend this obviously guilty man or attempts to prevent the US Military from questioning him, and or any methods they deem acceptable to extract information from him, should also be considered a traitor and a sympathizer of Al-Qaeda is who attempting to act on their behalf. And I don't care what their religion or ethnicity is.


At the end of the day the score on this one should clearly read America and US Troops 1, terrorists and liberals 0. And if it doesn't, I have a feeling the recipients of any backlash will be the Muslim population of the United States of America. And you can say it shouldn't happen, but that's not going ito make it not happen. And it will be entirely due to the fallout of the liberals attempting to defend and protect an obviously guilty enemy of the United States of America who murdered 13 US Troops.

So unless you guys want to actively promote distrust of Muslims, which would not surprise me since Al-Qaeda also wants that, I suggest you shut the fuck up about insanity and let this obviously guilty man be fed to the wolves....er pigs, legs first for the benefit of the country.

[DarrinS]

So tell me dan and boutons, what do you guys think should happen to this fellow? I'm genuinely interested in knowing.





I would give him a nice, brisk genital massage.







The war-for-oil repubnicunt @#$^$%'ers owe him reparations.

[hope4dopes]

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[George Gervin's Afro]

You could have just posted my definition, from earlier in this thread.



I'll tell you something else, he is clearly guilty of Treason which is grounds for loss of citizenship,. thus rendering him a man without a country that is a signatory of the Geneva Convention, not that Al-Qaeda is either, a fact that seems to confuse just about every anti-war in the country.


If you tell me he is just a typical <uslim that feels America is at war with Muslims, well guess what? That is a belief of the terrorist we are war with, and it was they that declared war upon us.

That all muslims are at war with the United States is also a belief of those at war with, and if it is a belief of all Muslims, then all Muslims must be considered terrorist sympathizers.

However I know that is not true, because sook has clearly pointed that is not the case.


No one else seems to be pickin up on this so let me state this also, he is also spy and a saboteur and he is guilty of espionage.

You see as a psychiatrist he has a been in a position to not only profile US Soldiers, say to discern the the primary cause of what makes them lose their effectiveness a soldier and cause them to become mentally unstable, he's also been in a position to learn sensitive and classified information those soldiers may have inadvertantly revealed in the course of a session with him.

It's entirely possible that he sees how many US troops ere already distrustful of Muslims, and this act may have been the direct result of that information.

For it most certainly does inhibit the effectiveness of the US Military by promoting an atmosphere of distrust, and that is sabotage.


And when I read he is talking to a known radical Muslim Imam with ties to Al-Qaeda about what seems to be a relatively benign topic like PTSD among US Soldiers, the fact that he has a been in a position to compile profiles on the usual causes of PTSD or other thing US Soldiers struggle with, I consider that espionage, it is clearly spying for the enemy.

And since that enemy just so happens to be a terrorist organization, that makes him a terrorist, whether this was an act of terrorism, or not.



I do not consider the severing of this mans limbs to be socially unacceptable since there are roughtly 1 billion people in the world that adhere to a religious belief that claims it is totally ok to do so, in the case of treason, including several nations. And including the terrorist organization we are at war with, and this man himself.


I personally think anyone that solicits the chance to defend this obviously guilty man or attempts to prevent the US Military from questioning him, and or any methods they deem acceptable to extract information from him, should also be considered a traitor and a sympathizer of Al-Qaeda is who attempting to act on their behalf. And I don't care what their religion or ethnicity is.


At the end of the day the score on this one should clearly read America and US Troops 1, terrorists and liberals 0. And if it doesn't, I have a feeling the recipients of any backlash will be the Muslim population of the United States of America. And you can say it shouldn't happen, but that's not going ito make it not happen. And it will be entirely due to the fallout of the liberals attempting to defend and protect an obviously guilty enemy of the United States of America who murdered 13 US Troops.

So unless you guys want to actively promote distrust of Muslims, which would not surprise me since Al-Qaeda also wants that, I suggest you shut the fuck up about insanity and let this obviously guilty man be fed to the wolves....er pigs, legs first for the benefit of the country.


So if any muslim on the street feels that this is a war on Islam they are our enemy? Are we now at war with people's opinions?

[hope4dopes]

So if any muslim on the street feels that this is a war on Islam they are our enemy? Are we now at war with people's opinions? No not at all we pretend this all just part of the great mulitcultural tapestry until the moment a bullet enters some innocents head, and then we call it an unfortunate turn of events.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I don't know whottt, I don't think a spy is going to bring attention to himself by going on a shooting spree.

[George Gervin's Afro]

No not at all we pretend this all just part of the great mulitcultural tapestry until the moment a bullet enters some innocents head, and then we call it an unfortunate turn of events.

So you want to go to war with Islam.. great idea. let's call all of them blood thirsty pigs and declare our intent to wipe a couple of billion of people off of the earth.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I don't know whottt, I don't think a spy is going to bring attention to himself by going on a shooting spree.

he's not very bright..in fact none of the dead enders have a whole lot going on with anything above their respective shoulders..

[Oh, Gee!!]

he's not very bright..in fact none of the dead enders have a whole lot going on with anything above their respective shoulders..

he's also making the case for torture after the attack is over. used to be they were for it only because of the famous "bomb on the train" scenario.

[George Gervin's Afro]

he's also making the case for torture after the attack is over. used to be they were for it only because of the famous "bomb on the train" scenario.

that's the christian thing to do.

[whottt]

So if any muslim on the street feels that this is a war on Islam they are our enemy? Are we now at war with people's opinions?


Do I need to do a forum search to see if you've ever labeled Rebublicans as racist, or can I count on you to just tell me the truth?

[whottt]

Do I need to do a forum search to see if you've ever labeled Rebublicans as racist, or can I count on you to just tell me the truth?


that's the christian thing to do.

Even fucking better....

[George Gervin's Afro]

Do I need to do a forum search to see if you've ever labeled Rebublicans as racist, or can I count on you to just tell me the truth?

Republicans aren't racists whott... what's the point other than you wanting to declare war on islam?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Even fucking better....

Torturing people after the fact is a christian thing to do.. are you a christian?

[whottt]

Torturing people after the fact is a christian thing to do.. are you a christian?

#1. It actually is a Christian thing to do. Often.

#2. The servering of limbs is also an acceptable punishment for traitors accoring to the Quran...and Muslims. In fact there is a muslim named sook in this thread who agreed he should be tortured.

Why don't you call him a christian dead ender? Self deceiving Fuckwad.



#3. I am not saying he should be tortured for the attack. In fact I don't even know how you came to that conclusion.



#4. Not I am not, at least not in the traditional sense, and have said so many times, but the fact that you drew that conclusion is enormously amusing and pretty much shoved your own double standard up your ass much better than I could have in a million years.


You are not smart, what you are is programmed and hopelessly bigoted. Thoroughly.

[jack sommerset]

are you a christian?

Gay.

[jack sommerset]

Seriously. It's obvious this guy should die. Lets get pass all the bullshit and kill him sometime today.

[hope4dopes]

So you want to go to war with Islam.. great idea. let's call all of them blood thirsty pigs and declare our intent to wipe a couple of billion of people off of the earth. Nah but an intelligent awarness of the fact that Islam seems to have declared war on us may be in order. I wasn't thinking of pigs, more along the lines of say..........THE GREAT SATAN......or has that already been taken.

[whottt]

Republicans aren't racists whott... what's the point other than you wanting to declare war on islam?

Link to me saying I want to declare war on Islam? I never said it.

[ChumpDumper]

Nah but an intelligent awarness of the fact that Islam seems to have declared war on us may be in order. I wasn't thinking of pigs, more along the lines of say..........THE GREAT SATAN......or has that already been taken.So you're calling all Muslims "THE GREAT SATAN"?

[jack sommerset]

Some of the Obama democrats "woooo hooooo" when the choosen one appeared durning the ceremony for the dead.

[clambake]

Some of the Obama democrats "woooo hooooo" when the choosen one appeared durning the ceremony for the dead.

so.

[ChumpDumper]

Some of the Obama democrats "woooo hooooo" when the choosen one appeared durning the ceremony for the dead.Which ones?

[jack sommerset]

so.

It's not a rock concert. It's a funeral. Show some class troll. That is so.

[whottt]

Nah but an intelligent awarness of the fact that Islam seems to have declared war on us may be in order. I wasn't thinking of pigs, more along the lines of say..........THE GREAT SATAN......or has that already been taken.

We aren't at war with Inodnesia or a host of Muslim countries and there are plenty of Muslims that think terrorists are completely and absolutely fucked in the head, in fact that's why many of them want to get the fuck out of the Middle East in the first place...and the terrorists have killed more Muslims in Iraq than they have US Troops. In fact I would say their primary target more often than not have been Muslims. And those same actively seek to create suspicion and distrust of Muslims because they want them to see the world as they do. And the liberals play right into their hands with they attempt to protect a guy like this.

They are essentially no different than Christian, Jews, Hindus, or Bhuddists with the exception that most of their countries are inordinately shitty places to live and when you live in a shitty place, religious fanatacism is often your only refuge and thus they produce more fantatics than the other religons or so it seems. ..The reason their countries are often shitty places to live, is not so much due to Islam itself especially in the ME, and history bears this out, it due to a continual pattern of countries seeking to control the ME for it's mineral wealth and fucking with the governments of that region including installing ones that serve external interests totally rather than their own people. This in addition to carving up geographical boundaries that group, groups of Muslims that do not like one another at all, together without even asking them.

IOW, if there weren't many shitholes in the ME and SW Asia, there would not be so many terrorists.


IOW, yes there are a lot of them fucked up, no they aren't all fucked up, and a big part of the reason they are fucked up is due to what other countries have done to them as much as anything they have done to themselves.

That is the reality of this situation. That is why we need to install legitimate representative government in the countries we went into, instead of just letting them descend into shitholery. Since we are already there and contrinuted directly to them becoming biger shitholes.


Those Governments need to represent all their people, first and foremost, just like our Government doee and most of the non-shithole countries in the world.


You want better people? Stop forcing them to live in shitholes. Shitholes do not create better people.


However, my point is that there is absolutely no argument you can make on this guys behalf and doing so actually only serves to increase distrust and paranoia, not only within our military, but within our country as well.

Sorry libs, but this is a guy you need to give up. Period. And don't you even begin to tell me about this fuckwad's rights. He willingly ceded them to kill Troops.

[clambake]

It's not a rock concert. It's a funeral. Show some class troll. That is so.

i've been watching for the last hour. civilians and soldiers have been talking and laughing the entire time.

wipe your tears.

[ChumpDumper]

It's not a rock concert. It's a funeral. Show some class troll. That is so.OK.

Obama should have been in Germany anyway.

[hope4dopes]

So you're calling all Muslims "THE GREAT SATAN"? No you haven't been paying attention. that has already been taken....... can you guess by who Chimp....come on 3 guesses.

[spursncowboys]

Did Obama condemn the terrorist as quickly as he did the Police Dept. that arrested his buddy?

Or as quickly as he did Don Imus?

[ChumpDumper]

No you haven't been paying attention. that has already been taken....... can you guess by who Chimp....come on 3 guesses.But you want to call all Muslims THE GREAT SATAN, right?

[hope4dopes]

But you want to call all Muslims THE GREAT SATAN, right? that's one...you got two more guesses.....

[spursncowboys]

But you want to call all Muslims THE GREAT SATAN, right?

You and your troll cohorts should get together and discuss your plan so you don't re-troll.

[clambake]

Did Obama condemn the terrorist as quickly as he did the Police Dept. that arrested his buddy?

Or as quickly as he did Don Imus?

no, he's congratulating him on his marksmanship.

[ChumpDumper]

that's one...you got two more guesses.....I'm not asking about other people. I'm asking about what you, micca of da streets, want to call all Muslims.

[hope4dopes]

Now that's two....pay attention bitch you only got one more guess.

[clambake]

running out of time, micca?

you shoulda said 20 guesses.

[ChumpDumper]

No shit. micca of da streets' tuff education on da streets didn't prepare him to answer simple questions on the internets.

[hope4dopes]

No shit. miccas of da streets tuff education on da streets didn't prepare him to answer simple questions on the internets.That's three.....What do you mean I gave you 3 guesses and you still couldn't answer the question.

Hey dude hows the fishing.

[jack sommerset]

No shit. micca of da streets' tuff education on da streets didn't prepare him to answer simple questions on the internets.

You mean never ending questions.

[clambake]

ceremony is over. no sign of bush, cheney or rummy.

typical.

[DarrinS]

ceremony is over. no sign of bush, cheney or rummy.

typical.


Were Bill Clinton and Al Gore there?

[ChumpDumper]

Hey micca of da streets, do you really believe we are at war with all Muslims? I know some Muslims use the great Satan term for westerners, and you said as much in your post.

Do you consider all Muslims the great Satan they way some Msulsims consider westerners the great Satan?