Is Kobe going to retire with 6 rings?

[Darrin]

That tells me Wilt Chamberlain was incredibly talented, which is, again, not what we're discussing here. Wilt did much more than drop 100 on the Knicks. You and I both know that.

And Kobe has done more than drop 81 on the Toronto Raptors. Just because Jalen Rose and not Bruce Bowen, doesn't mean it wasn't dominant.

Then we both know that Bill Russell's Celtics got the better of him on more than one occasion. They sent Russell out in style in 1969, even though game seven of the NBA Finals was in LA. Wilt never can match the team success that Russell carried. It doesn't mean Chamberlain was any less dominant offensively on this league.

[ElNono]

And Kobe has done more than drop 81 on the Toronto Raptors. Just because Jalen Rose and not Bruce Bowen, doesn't mean it wasn't dominant.

Then we both know that Bill Russell's Celtics got the better of him on more than one occasion. They sent Russell out in style in 1969, even though game seven of the NBA Finals was in LA. Wilt never can match the team success that Russell carried. It doesn't mean Chamberlain was any less dominant offensively on this league.

What's your point? Both Wilt and Russell are arguably two of the best players to ever play the game. Kobe simply never dominated the way MJ did. At his age, he's simply not going to catch up.
You're delusional if you think he's going to play 9 more seasons. Big man normally play late into their careers, not guards. Heck, even take a look at MJ when he was on the Wizards, and he simply was unable to perform at an extremely high level anymore.

[HarlemHeat37]

the Raptors were 29th in the NBA defensively, which is rarely mentioned LOL..they rarely double teamed him, it was literally 2 or 3 times the entire game, or something along those lines..their interior defense was Chris Bosh, Charlie Villanueva, and Matt Bonner..

The Raptors of that season allowed 24 30+ point games..so you also factor in the fact that a lot of their losses were blowouts where guys weren't even playing a lot of the game, and they still managed to allow a ridiculous 24 performances like that..

some notables..Rashard Lewis with 41 points..Iverson with 42 and 34 on back-to-back nights..Arenas with 37, Wade with 37, McGrady with 37, Carter with 42, Anthony with 37..Mike Bibby with 42 LOL..Tony Parker with 32-13(far from a star at that time)..a washed up Antoine Walker with 32-8-5..

They allowed season-highs to scrubs or average players(at the time) like Nick Collison, John Salmons, Jeff Foster, Tyronn Lue, Chris Duhon, Michael Finley, Matt Carroll, Barbosa..

I don't think some people understand how bad they were..

great performance any time you put up 81, but it's not THAT surprising considering his talent, horrible opponent, and the amount of shots he took..

[Darrin]

What's your point? Both Wilt and Russell are arguably two of the best players to ever play the game. Kobe simply never dominated the way MJ did. At his age, he's simply not going to catch up.
You're delusional if you think he's going to play 9 more seasons. Big man normally play late into their careers, not guards. Heck, even take a look at MJ when he was on the Wizards, and he simply was unable to perform at an extremely high level anymore.

So how many years to you think Kobe has left?

[Darrin]

What's your point?

My point is that Wilt has a knock against him--he beat the mighty Celtics only once in the postseason.

1959-60: lost 4-2 in Division Finals.
1961-62: lost 4-3 in Division Finals.
1963-64: lost 4-1 in NBA Finals.
1965-66: lost 4-1 in Division Finals.
1966-67: won 4-2 in Division Finals.
1967-68: lost 4-3 in Division Finals.
1968-69: lost 4-3 in NBA Finals.

Still, no one doubts Wilt's ability to dominate the league. He is widely accepted as the most dominant offensive player in NBA history. Russell is not seen as a better player because he has all those rings.

[ChrisRichards]

I cant wait until the Lakers lose in the WCF against Denver this season.



Kobe's quest for a championship stops @ 1.=== :lol

[carrao45]

It was still a 15 point game with 2 minutes to go... I mean, come on

It had gone from 28, down to 10

[carrao45]

Why? The former 5th All-time Leading scorer played for 8 teams. He's Moses Malone, not Wilt Chamberlain. He's not that great. I'd take Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, Robert Parish, Bob Lanier, and Dave Cowens over him. He talks like he's the most dominant ever, and he really didn't show it. He had a good three-year run and that was about it.

Those in bold over Shaq?...:lmao

[Darrin]

Those in bold over Shaq?...:lmao

Yes.

[Darrin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAXc6u_jGVM

Look at him run the floor. Look at him hustle. Look at him guard on the perimeter.

[Darrin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yozuhTvxKVo&feature=related

Huge hands. Great at running the floor. He's got just as much power as Shaq. Doesn't need to gather like the big fella.

[carrao45]

So you agree he was padding stats... gotcha.
LOL washed up Jalen Rose...

Who on the planet now can score 81 points in an NBA game on any NBA player?

[carrao45]

Considering the Lakers were up 34, I would say yeah, he was definitely padding stats. And I'm fairly sure if Phil didn't have the decency to sit him down at that point, Kobe would have gladly kept on playing.

Now, don't get me wrong. It takes a lot of talent to score 30 points all by himself in a quarter. And Kobe should get all the credit for being a very talented player. That's certainly out of the question.

Kobe decided to sit out the 4th that game. But hey, when trying to prove a point, who needs facts?

[carrao45]

Yes.

Agree to disagree. But there is no disagreeing Shaq was one of the laziest stars of all time.

[Darrin]

Agree to disagree. But there is no disagreeing Shaq was one of the laziest stars of all time.

Man, I wish he played like this his entire career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSN1KnAW-Y

[carrao45]

1,001 Post!!!

[carrao45]

Man, I wish he played like this his entire career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSN1KnAW-Y

What could've been...he cheated himself

[Darrin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBrEsNS9zKg

[Donkeybong]

i like this video:

3pc7sKXoZ3U

[Darrin]

I just want to take the opportunity to say that Dwight Howard is not in the pantheon of these great centers. He's not as explosive as they are and he doesn't have the skills. His brain is the size of a walnut and he doesn't have the instincts these other players had with the ball. He's closer in skills to Ben Wallace than to Shaq or Hakeem or Dave Cowens.

[jmill]

I cant wait until the Lakers lose in the WCF against Denver this season.



Kobe's quest for a championship stops @ 1.=== :lol

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http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6443/philchampagne.jpg

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