The two people I feel the absolute worst for are...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Tim Duncan and Peter Holt.


Especially Peter Holt.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Tim Duncan and Peter Holt.


Especially Peter Holt.


Add Mcdyess to that list for me, I'm sure he wasn't expecting this.

[narmerguy]

Add Mcdyess to that list for me, I'm sure he wasn't expecting this.

Well we were kinda expecting more from him too.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Add Mcdyess to that list for me, I'm sure he wasn't expecting this.

Well, if he'd pick up the slack instead of putting up constant 20 + minute nights with 3 points and 2 boards, I'd feel sorry for him.

He's new and learning, but lately he's turning into a glorified Kurt Thomas.

[Mal]

Trade Parker or Gino and avoid taxes, cause this isn`t going the it should

[Johnny RIngo]

It's awfully pathetic that the FO couldn't bring in ONE decent big to play next to Duncan since Robinson's retired. Garnett has Perkins, Gasol has Bynum, and Duncan has over-the-hill Dice, a one-dimensional stiff in Bonner, and an undersized rookie. Too bad they fucked up on Scola and Splitter.

[TD 21]

Tim Duncan and Peter Holt.


Especially Peter Holt.

I don't feel sorry for Holt at all. I know he's one of the least rich owners in the NBA, but if not for his being "frugal" throughout the entire Duncan-era, you could easily make the argument that this franchise would have even more hardware. How nice of him that he finally decided to pony up when it's towards the end of the Duncan-era and he does so without the team filling their biggest need, which was a center-sized in his prime athletic big to pair with Duncan. The front line still isn't good enough and Jefferson looks to be a surprisingly awful fit.

Duncan, I do feel (within' reason; let's not forget how much money he's made or how much success he's had, not that he didn't earn it) sorry for. Still the only player on the team who brings it every night, yet you always hear people talk about Ginobili's intensity and competitiveness. He can't hold a candle to Duncan, who plays alone in the paint most nights, plays significantly more minutes and competes his ass off.

[alchemist]

How nice of him that he finally decided to pony up when it's towards the end of the Duncan-era and he does so without the team filling their biggest need, which was a center-sized in his prime athletic big to pair with Duncan.
Uhhh....Where is this Center you speak off?

[Sigz]

The FO fucked up the ending for Duncan.

Thanks a fucking LOT!

[Spurs Brazil]

The FO fucked up the ending for Duncan.

Thanks a fucking LOT!

The FO bring the players. They need to play better

[PublicOption]

I feel sorry for me.....I gotta cheer this shitty team on.

[Hayden.Panettiere]

I feel sorry for Eva Longoria.

[Johnny RIngo]

He can't hold a candle to Duncan, who plays alone in the paint most nights, plays significantly more minutes and competes his ass off.

In addition, Duncan's a year older and has logged twice as many games in his NBA career. He's the real warrior on the team.

I don't want to blame Manu though. It's not his fault that he has a fragile body.

[ffadicted]

Definitly, Timmy is showing up every night to play and getting almost no support.

And Holt, after years of ignoring the lux tax, he takes a chance, and so far no good. Let's hope it turns around by '10!

[TD 21]

Uhhh....Where is this Center you speak off?

Not on this team, that's for sure. I realize that the type of player I described doesn't grow on trees, but with their willingness to spend (a rarity in this league in this economic climate) and their cadre of expiring contracts, surely this team could have acquired someone like Kaman or Camby. Neither is necessarily what I had in mind, but they're both center-sized, starting caliber big men who can rebound, block shots and in the case of Kaman, score.

[Udokafan05]

This thread is pathetic. 17 games in and all the bandwagoners are jumping off. Just don't return when they turn it around.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It's awfully pathetic that the FO couldn't bring in ONE decent big to play next to Duncan since Robinson's retired. Garnett has Perkins, Gasol has Bynum, and Duncan has over-the-hill Dice, a one-dimensional stiff in Bonner, and an undersized rookie. Too bad they fucked up on Scola and Splitter.

Dice put up 10/10 last year and he's moving fine. There's no reason he shouldn't be helping the team more except that he doesn't get his role in the system yet.

Yeah, pity about Scola (Splitter will arrive next year).

[Chomag]

This thread is pathetic. 17 games in and all the bandwagoners are jumping off. Just don't return when they turn it around.

Insightful.

[Johnny RIngo]

Yeah, pity about Scola (Splitter will arrive next year).

The Scola move still pisses me off, especially after seeing how much effort he puts in for the Rockets night after night(wish we got that kind of passion from Rasho, Nazr, Thomas, or Bonner).

Knowing our FO, Splitter probably stays in Europe and we end up signing another old vet like Camby.

[Höfner]

Tim Duncan feels the worst now. Peter Holt's hangover will make him feel the worst tomorrow.

[TD 21]

My God, you're probably the best poster here. I've said Camby for the past 2 years among nodding my head on every post you make. I've enjoyed your strong pimp hand against benefactor(benny) and his troll Mel. I hope you stay around here posting.

Truer words were never spoken. :lol

[Spursox]

Will Duncan have enough in the tank by playoffs...

[ElNono]

Will Duncan have enough in the tank by playoffs...

Or the knees... I'm asking the same question every game. But what other option do we have right now?

[DJB]

I feel sorry for the people that are posting in this thread.

[lefty]

I feel sorry for Eva Longoria.
I feel bad for Tony Parker.



And Sequ

[murpjf88]

The FO bring the players. They need to play better

The FO bet on the wrong horse. The spurs should have made a different trade than the one for RJ. The sad thing is their losing a lot of ground. Their losing home games that they need to win. The spurs have not fared well on the road to say the least.

[sabar]

Eh, I don't feel for either of them. Timmy D has his championships and millions, and Holt has no doubt gotten a huge return on investment from all the years of contending. Ignoring Scola, bigs are also really hard to come by, as evidenced by the fact that mediocre guys make the top 10 active center lists.

Probably feel most sorry for Manu as you can see his frustration as he plays and gets injured. But he has his accolades too.

[Chieflion]

The FO bet on the wrong horse. The spurs should have made a different trade than the one for RJ. The sad thing is their losing a lot of ground. Their losing home games that they need to win. The spurs have not fared well on the road to say the least.
Who else was available? Vince Carter brought in expirings and Courtney Lee. The Spurs were not going to match that because our expirings are actually productive. Shaq was going to be available for a huge expiring but we don't have the pieces. Jefferson was a deal that had to be made due to a lack of time because of the contract situation of Bowen and Oberto.

[whottt]

I feel sorry for everyone that isn't satisfied with the 4 championships they have won in the past 11 years and doesn't realize how lucky and fortunate the Spurs were. It was always going to end some time, we got about as much as any fans of any teams outside of those built around Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Bill Russell.

Thanks Tim and Pop, and Peter Holt :tu



All that said, I don't for sure yet that the Spurs are totally done, most likely yeah, it's over, however Spurs signings who were primarily offensive players are notorious for struggling offensively in their first year here when adjusting to the Spurs densive focus and feeling comfortable shooting the ball on a team with Parker, Manu and Duncan, and that could very well be the problem with Dice and Jefferson. And Scola and Splitter would be no different.


As for Manu, I don't really think Manu is frail or fragile...the guy played an insanely physical style and there was a period of about 4 years where Manu did nothing but play basketball for the entire year. Those two things are why he is in the condition he is now. I mean I could tell you Manu wasn't going to have a long career the first time I saw him play...I forget who said it...I think it was Kenny Smith who said, Manu is going ot be one of those guys that will barely be able to walk by the time he is 50 because of the way he played. If he'd played any other way, he wouldn't have been Manu,. So thanks also Manu :tu

I also think he will adjust after going through these injuries, he is not ever going to be the Manu he once was for an entire season again though...but you might get it from him for a few games, and eventually you'll only get it for parts of games...hopefully they'll be the right ones.

[baseline bum]

Fuck this thread.

[TJastal]

Well, if he'd pick up the slack instead of putting up constant 20 + minute nights with 3 points and 2 boards, I'd feel sorry for him.

He's new and learning, but lately he's turning into a glorified Kurt Thomas.

Last night in 23 minutes he had 6 boards, 1 block, 1 steal, and ZERO turnovers. He missed all 3 of his shots however, but otherwise he did contribute.

[JustinJDW]

this thread is pathetic. 17 games in and all the bandwagoners are jumping off. Just don't return when they turn it around.+1.

[BillMc]

I feel sorry for everyone that isn't satisfied with the 4 championships they have won in the past 11 years and doesn't realize how lucky and fortunate the Spurs were. It was always going to end some time, we got about as much as any fans of any teams outside of those built around Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Bill Russell.

Thanks Tim and Pop, and Peter Holt :tu



All that said, I don't for sure yet that the Spurs are totally done, most likely yeah, it's over, however Spurs signings who were primarily offensive players are notorious for struggling offensively in their first year here when adjusting to the Spurs densive focus and feeling comfortable shooting the ball on a team with Parker, Manu and Duncan, and that could very well be the problem with Dice and Jefferson. And Scola and Splitter would be no different.


As for Manu, I don't really think Manu is frail or fragile...the guy played an insanely physical style and there was a period of about 4 years where Manu did nothing but play basketball for the entire year. Those two things are why he is in the condition he is now. I mean I could tell you Manu wasn't going to have a long career the first time I saw him play...I forget who said it...I think it was Kenny Smith who said, Manu is going ot be one of those guys that will barely be able to walk by the time he is 50 because of the way he played. If he'd played any other way, he wouldn't have been Manu,. So thanks also Manu :tu

I also think he will adjust after going through these injuries, he is not ever going to be the Manu he once was for an entire season again though...but you might get it from him for a few games, and eventually you'll only get it for parts of games...hopefully they'll be the right ones.

Very well said. Manu's "all out style" reminds me of Bird, who dove for every ball, etc. Bird was great but his body began to give out on him at a relatively young age.

[dbestpro]

[QUOTE=whottt;3894180]I feel sorry for everyone that isn't satisfied with the 4 championships they have won in the past 11 years

Why should a working stiff who has to pay major portions of their money to guys who will never have to worry about most of life's problems be satisfied for anything less that a championship. Take that shit to the Clippers or Memphis.

[spurtech09]

yeah feel pretty sorry for the people that are posting this thread.....

[benefactor]

Fuck this thread.
....and 90% of the others on the front page.

[dbreiden83080]

I feel sorry for sequ spur

[baseline bum]

I feel sorry for everyone that isn't satisfied with the 4 championships they have won in the past 11 years


Why should a working stiff who has to pay major portions of their money to guys who will never have to worry about most of life's problems be satisfied for anything less that a championship. Take that shit to the Clippers or Memphis.

No, you take your shit to LA where a team is only worth supporting if it's winning titles.

[ElNono]

timvp and Kori... having to clean up this place after every meltdown...

[DPG21920]

The franchise does owe something to the fans. Winning titles previously has nothing to do with it. What they owe the fans each and every single year is doing their best to field a team that can compete. They must be trying to win.

The Spurs FO is doing that. The titles mean nothing, because no one can win every single year in any sport. Even though the Spurs won't likely win a title this year, that does not mean the organization is not doing right by the fans.

[024]

tim duncan needs to right this ship. parker isn't the leader of this team, duncan is. this team is talented enough to be among the elite teams but it's currently lacking leadership. the burden of carrying the spurs falls on duncan once again.

[dbreiden83080]

tim duncan needs to right this ship. parker isn't the leader of this team, duncan is. this team is talented enough to be among the elite teams but it's currently lacking leadership. the burden of carrying the spurs falls on duncan once again.

Duncan is doing everything he can. It's hard, because he is not what he was 4 or 5 years ago but this is not new territory for the Spurs. They have had lots of turnover and needed time to adjust in the past, there is no need to panic..

[duncan228]

...there is no need to panic..

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/gifs/chickenlittlegif.gif

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x282/duncan228/gifs/panic2.gif

[ezau]

Tim Duncan is no doubt, the greatest player that this franchise has ever had. With so much mileage on his legs, he's still dominating against bigs who are supposed to be in their prime.

[Chieflion]

Why would you feel sorry for multi-millionaires?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Why would you feel sorry for multi-millionaires?

Because there's more to life than just money

[Chieflion]

Because there's more to life than just money
And they are living a happy life, all they have to do is just do well in their life, which they are.

[duhoh]

I feel sorry for everyone that isn't satisfied with the 4 championships they have won in the past 11 years and doesn't realize how lucky and fortunate the Spurs were. It was always going to end some time, we got about as much as any fans of any teams outside of those built around Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Bill Russell.

Thanks Tim and Pop, and Peter Holt :tu



All that said, I don't for sure yet that the Spurs are totally done, most likely yeah, it's over, however Spurs signings who were primarily offensive players are notorious for struggling offensively in their first year here when adjusting to the Spurs densive focus and feeling comfortable shooting the ball on a team with Parker, Manu and Duncan, and that could very well be the problem with Dice and Jefferson. And Scola and Splitter would be no different.


As for Manu, I don't really think Manu is frail or fragile...the guy played an insanely physical style and there was a period of about 4 years where Manu did nothing but play basketball for the entire year. Those two things are why he is in the condition he is now. I mean I could tell you Manu wasn't going to have a long career the first time I saw him play...I forget who said it...I think it was Kenny Smith who said, Manu is going ot be one of those guys that will barely be able to walk by the time he is 50 because of the way he played. If he'd played any other way, he wouldn't have been Manu,. So thanks also Manu :tu

I also think he will adjust after going through these injuries, he is not ever going to be the Manu he once was for an entire season again though...but you might get it from him for a few games, and eventually you'll only get it for parts of games...hopefully they'll be the right ones.

YES!

Thanks indeed for what's already been given to us fans. Anything more is icing on the cake!

[z0sa]

I feel bad for Tony Parker.



And Sequ

I feel bad for Sequ's liver.

[gospursgojas]

I feel sorry for ugly fat kids

[vander]

I only feel sorry for Duncan, the FO didn't really even try to surround him with legit talent until finally this year, but they were inexperienced at this new concept and perhaps didn't do to well at it, though it's a little early to totally give upon on RJ and McDyess

[whottt]

No, you take your shit to LA where a team is only worth supporting if it's winning titles.

:tu thanks base

[whottt]

Why should a working stiff who has to pay major portions of their money to guys who will never have to worry about most of life's problems be satisfied for anything less that a championship.

Because whether you are satisfied or not has nothing to do with whether or not you are going to get it. Because you aren't going to get it every year. Because even if they do everything in their power to get it, they still usually aren't. And because no one forces you to give them money.

You can feel entitled to unreasonable expecations all you want, I'll just let you in on the fact that you are in for a long hard road that is going to end in disappointment more often than not.

It's an unreasonable expectation and do you personally like listening to people whine and bitch? I'm guessing no, and guess what? Most people are no different.


The Spurs are not going to win a title every year, no matter how many tantrums you throw, so you might as well shut up about it and stop expecting it.





Take that shit to the Clippers or Memphis.

I beg your pardon, you're the fairweather fan...that's what a fan who turns on his team and kicks them when they are down rationalizing his character flaw based on his unreasonable expectations is. That is the very definition of it.

Furthermore, this team has already had one of the most successful runs in NBA history. The only teams with more titles are the Celtics, Lakers and Bulls. Imagine what it must be like for all those fans of teams who have never won shit, that still support their teams.


Me personally...I was satisfied for pretty much a lifetime after 2003. Sure I want to see them win, at the same time, this particular core deserves absolutely nothing but respect. If they never win another game for the rest of their careers, they've already been better than any core we are likely to ever have again, and all about 3 other cores in NBA history.


You want to treat them like garbage now that they are no longe the best? You are the one that is weak.

Only 4 times in the 30+ years have the Spurs lived up to that extremely rare achievement you have convinced yourself you are entitled too...and that's one of the best marks in NBA history. It will still be if they don't win another title for 30 years.

Ingrate.

[Mel_13]

Why should a working stiff who has to pay major portions of their money to guys who will never have to worry about most of life's problems be satisfied for anything less that a championship. Take that shit to the Clippers or Memphis.

Congrats to you on identifying yourself as a bandwagoning, fair-weather fan. Most people so fickle are more circumspect in letting everyone see how shallow they are. There are plenty of fans who can't be bothered to support their team when it's down, very few will so openly admit it.:toast

[whottt]

I only feel sorry for Duncan, the FO didn't really even try to surround him with legit talent until finally this year, but they were inexperienced at this new concept and perhaps didn't do to well at it, though it's a little early to totally give upon on RJ and McDyess

Dude, the best Spurs teams were the ones where we didn't get what we wanted. I mean the seasons we have gotten our first choices are usually the ones that have ended in disappointment and the one where we didn't were the ones that usually produced a title.

I've been saying it for years, the worst offseasons are the ones where Pop gets exactly what he wants. His second and third choices were always better than his first.

It's not about money and this offseason proves it. It's about getting the right players and it's just not that easy to do.

[stealthjbravo]

Will Duncan have enough in the tank by playoffs...

I hope so but its not looking good

[Amuseddaysleeper]

yup

[HarlemHeat37]

I wonder if Duncan thought he would still have to put in this work at this point of the season..it's actually ridiculous, how the fuck are his knees supposed to hold up when he has to carry this team every night?..

[Spurs Brazil]

I wonder if Duncan thought he would still have to put in this work at this point of the season..it's actually ridiculous, how the fuck are his knees supposed to hold up when he has to carry this team every night?..

Yep, I fell bad for him; this regular season was supposed to be for TD to rest but he needs to carry the team since RJ, TP and Manu SUCKS so far

[Buddy Holly]

Let's get this done:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydrzxqt

[TD 21]

I wonder if Duncan thought he would still have to put in this work at this point of the season..it's actually ridiculous, how the fuck are his knees supposed to hold up when he has to carry this team every night?..

I know. It's easy to look at his minutes (roughly 32 mpg), but look at how arduous many of those minutes are. There's nothing easy about them. He's singlehandedly having to guard the paint, is often the lone rebounder on the court and is having to fight for deep post position and score tough baskets against erstwhile post defenders on nearly every possession and all that just to keep the team competitive. At this rate, he's going to wear down by mid-season again.

Either this team goes and finds a legit starting big (not some old 6'9'' backup) to put next to him, or they can not only forget about winning the championship, but they can forget about having a relatively fresh Duncan for the playoffs or doing any damage whatsoever. Assuming they get there, what's there upside at this point? Winning a round?

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Something needs to be done, the it's only "December" is BS. I wish I had the answer though. Trading for another guy could only make matters worse.

[Flux451]

Let's get this done:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydrzxqt

nothing came up

[Buddy Holly]

I can dream can't I.

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9913/trade3.png

[SouthTexasRancher]

Tim Duncan and Peter Holt.


Especially Peter Holt.


Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxactly...!!!