Make You All time Team

[Brazil]

To follow DAF thread.

yaschine
cafu beckenbauer maldini carlos
cruyff maradona Platini Garrincha
Pele De Stefano

[sonic21]

Yashin
Djalma Santos, Bobby Moore, Beckenbauer, Nílton Santos
Cruyff, Platini, Garrincha
Pelé, Di Stefano, Maradona.

[Brazil]

^Bobby Moore is a good one indeed

It's also safe to say that we cannot avoid on a all time team: Cruyff, Yashin, Maradona, Pelé, Platini et/ou Zidane, Di Stefano and Beckenbauer

[sonic21]

I wanted to put Puskas too

[resistanze]

Kahn
R. Carlos Maldini Baresi Beckenbauer
Cruyff Platini Zidane
Maradona Ronaldo Pelé

[Brazil]

^Ronaldo can be included in a all time list even if I think it's difficult to not includ Di Stefano.

IMO Yashin cannot be discussed, Kahn is a great goal keeper but not for that list.

Anyway it's a hell of a team.

[DAF86]

I'm going to make a team with the players I've seen (live or on tapes), I know Pele, Distefano, etc. were good, but I can't pick them 'cause I've never seen them play.


Filliol

Cafu Beckenbauer Passarella Maldini

Zidane Cruyff Maradona

Messi Ronaldo R.Baggio

[resistanze]

^Ronaldo can be included in a all time list even if I think it's difficult to not includ Di Stefano.

IMO Yashin cannot be discussed, Kahn is a great goal keeper but not for that list.

Anyway it's a hell of a team.

Yeah, as DAF86 mentioned, I didn't want to include player I admittedly have never seen on tape. Same reason why I wouldn't add Bill Russel and George Mikan for an NBA All-Tim list. Yashin I know is generally regarded as the greatest, but I've never seen him.

[TwinTowers]

Kahn
Caffu, Beckenbauer, Baresi, Carlos Alberto
Cruyff, maradona, zico, Garrincha
Maradona, Pele

[DAF86]

Kahn
Caffu, Beckenbauer, Baresi, Carlos Alberto
Cruyff, maradona, zico, Garrincha
Maradona, Pele

Maradona was so good that it had to be selected twice.

[Brazil]

Maradona was so good that it had to be selected twice.

we could imagine a team of 12 maradona ! One thing is for sure Maradona would have been a good goal keeper, he has good hands. Henry should also try I'm sure he will be successful too.

[Phenomanul]

Starters:
Goalie: P. Schmeichel
Defenders: Cafu --- P. Maldini --- F. Beckenbauer --- R. Carlos
Midfielders: J. Cruyff --- M. Platini --- Maradona --- Garrincha
Forwards: Pelé --- Ronaldo

Bench:
Goalies: O. Kahn --- L. Yashin
Defense: B. Moore --- F. Baresi --- C. Puyol --- L. Thuram --- A. Nesta
Midfield: Z. Zidane --- Zico --- A. Di Stéfano --- Ronaldinho -- L. Matthaus --- R. Gullit
Strikers: H. Sánchez --- M. Van Basten --- G. Batistuta --- D. Bergkamp --- J. Klinnsman --- Romario

Note: Several other players from the current generation could likely be on this list...

[lefty]

P. Schmeichel
Cafu --- P. Maldini --- F. Beckenbauer --- R. Carlos
J. Cruyff --- M. Platini --- Maradona --- Garrincha
Pelé --- Ronaldo

Bench:
Goalies: O. Kahn --- L. Yashin
Defense: B. Moore --- F. Baresi --- C. Puyol --- L. Thuram --- A. Nesta
Midfield: Z. Zidane --- Zico --- A. Di Stéfano --- Ronaldinho -- L. Matthaus --- R. Gullit
Strikers: H. Sánchez --- M. Van Basten --- G. Batistuta --- D. Bergkamp --- J. Klinnsman --- Romario

Wow, someone here who knows Yashin, I'm impressed :tu

(Edit: just realized he was already mentioned)

But Schmeichel over him WTF ?

And what about Dassaev, Banks, Pfaff ????

[Phenomanul]

Wow, someone here who knows Yashin, I'm impressed :tu

But Schmeichel over him WTF ?

And what about Dassaev, Banks, Pfaff ????

Schmeichel was what? 6'-4" and had huge hands... he dominated a over decade of his generation's football world.

I can't really comment on the other three you mention...
but G. Buffon, Paliugca, I. Casillas and even J. Campos were other quality goalkeepers I considered...

[DAF86]

Schmeichel was what? 6'-4" and had huge hands... he dominated a over decade of his generation's football world.

I can't really comment on the other three you mention...
but G. Buffon, Paliugca, I. Casillas and even J. Campos were other quality goalkeepers I considered...


This guy?

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv104/COCHIfz/campos11.jpg

Seriously?

[Phenomanul]

This guy?

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv104/COCHIfz/campos11.jpg

Seriously?

Why not? He even played stints at forward scoring some pretty amazing goals... look them up on youtube (I can't cause it's blocked here at work)...

And for his size the dude could flat out jump. It's not his fault Mexican goalies have made a living off of the Mexican league and prefer not to jump ship to the European leagues, a place that historically has been highly *racist towards integration of Mexicans... they're comfortable in Mexico... They earn more in Mexico than they would if they played in France, Germany, or even Holland... the only leagues that would pay more would probably be England's, Spain's and Italy's... But England is not nearly as desirable for Mexicans due to the language barrier, particularly if they play positions that require constant communication (goalies and defenders)... And both Spain and Italy are notoriously racist towards Mexicans. Hugo Sanchez basically lost two and half years of his prime getting less minutes than he deserved while trying to prove that he belonged. When he finally got the chance with Real he made his coach at Atletico look like a dunce... Cuahutemoc Blanco's coach called him an "indio" repeatedly and robbed him of any opportunity to show his talent. Having said that, the current influx of Mexicans in the European ranks from this generation of footballers may indicate that some of those walls are finally begining to fall...

[lefty]

Schmeichel was what? 6'-4" and had huge hands... he dominated a over decade of his generation's football world.

I can't really comment on the other three you mention...
but G. Buffon, Paliugca, I. Casillas and even J. Campos were other quality goalkeepers I considered...

:lmao

[DAF86]

Why not? He even played stints at forward scoring some pretty amazing goals... look them up on youtube (I can't cause it's blocked here at work)...

And for his size the dude could flat out jump. It's not his fault Mexican goalies have made a living off of the Mexican league and prefer not to jump ship to the European leagues, a place that historically has been highly *racist towards integration of Mexicans... they're comfortable in Mexico... They earn more in Mexico than they would if they played in France, Germany, or even Holland... the only leagues that would pay more would probably be England's, Spain's and Italy's... But England is not nearly as desirable for Mexicans due to the language barrier, particularly if they play positions that require constant communication (goalies and defenders)... And both Spain and Italy are notoriously racist towards Mexicans. Hugo Sanchez basically lost two and half years of his prime getting less minutes than he deserved while trying to prove that he belonged. When he finally got the chance with Real he made his coach at Atletico look like a dunce... Cuahutemoc Blanco's coach called him an "indio" repeatedly and robbed him of any opportunity to show his talent. Having said that, the current influx of Mexicans in the European ranks from this generation of footballers may indicate that some of those walls are finally begining to fall...

I know "Campitos", in fact when I was I kid I loved to watch him play because of his outfits and "uniqueness" but as I grow older I realized that he really wasn't such a good goalkeeper and a lot of journalists used to make fun of him 'cause they didn't understand how he could be the starting goalkeeper for a National Team.

[Brazil]

Why not? He even played stints at forward scoring some pretty amazing goals... look them up on youtube (I can't cause it's blocked here at work)...

And for his size the dude could flat out jump. It's not his fault Mexican goalies have made a living off of the Mexican league and prefer not to jump ship to the European leagues, a place that historically has been highly *racist towards integration of Mexicans... they're comfortable in Mexico... They earn more in Mexico than they would if they played in France, Germany, or even Holland... the only leagues that would pay more would probably be England's, Spain's and Italy's... But England is not nearly as desirable for Mexicans due to the language barrier, particularly if they play positions that require constant communication (goalies and defenders)... And both Spain and Italy are notoriously racist towards Mexicans. Hugo Sanchez basically lost two and half years of his prime getting less minutes than he deserved while trying to prove that he belonged. When he finally got the chance with Real he made his coach at Atletico look like a dunce... Cuahutemoc Blanco's coach called him an "indio" repeatedly and robbed him of any opportunity to show his talent. Having said that, the current influx of Mexicans in the European ranks from this generation of footballers may indicate that some of those walls are finally begining to fall...

I don't pretend to be ironic or something but this is the first time in my life I'm hearing about european racism towards Mexicans ! :wow

[Brazil]

oh and big lol at J Campos...

[Phenomanul]

I don't pretend to be ironic or something but this is the first time in my life I'm hearing about european racism towards Mexicans ! :wow

You live in France, I'm assuming... they weren't on the list of those deep-heartedly racist...

I've been to Spain on two occasions, and once to Italy... a couple of people from both of those countries made for some unpleasant experiences against our whole group...


oh and big lol at J Campos...

I don't know what the big fuss is about... he wasn't included on my list. I just happen to have a soft spot for his game. The dude played in 3 world cups... And had he played against the U.S. in Korea 2002 instead of Oswaldo the outcome could have been different... Not only that but he wasn't formally trained as a goalie... he debuted as his team's forward and in one particular game where the backup goalie was ejected, he reluctantly agreed to finish the game at that spot... he had 5 incredible saves... and was initially forced to play that role until the starting goalie came back... but that date never arrived... he played so well, the team and the fans did not want him to relinquish the role...

And the guy wasn't a scrub forward either... check these out:

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Having said that, I probably should have included G. Buffon on the bench... I think he's that good... Edwin Van der Saar and Petr Cech are two other great goalies that haven't even been mentioned....

[TDMVPDPOY]

gk - schmiechel
df - roberto carlos, sol cambell, john terry, stam
mf - ronaldo, zidane, keane, giggz
f - batistuta, del pierro...

man i need some enforcers on this team so no one will pull a dirty on them

national team under achieve netherlands.....damn them had a nice fkn team in the 90s
fkn overmars, de boer brothers, stam, davids, berkamp.....and ur tellin me you cant dominate a decade? fck

[Brazil]

^ I agree Netherlands teams are clearly the biggest underachievers ever and the 90's team is nothing compared to the Cruyff generation.

On the top 5 of underachievers we have also the platini/tigana/giresse/bossis etc... team, we have the socrates/zico generation.

[Brazil]

You live in France, I'm assuming... they weren't on the list of those deep-heartedly racist...

I've been to Spain on two occasions, and once to Italy... a couple of people from both of those countries made for some unpleasant experiences against our whole group...



I don't know what the big fuss is about... he wasn't included on my list. I just happen to have a soft spot for his game. The dude played in 3 world cups... And had he played against the U.S. in Korea 2002 instead of Oswaldo the outcome could have been different... Not only that but he wasn't formally trained as a goalie... he debuted as his team's forward and in one particular game where the backup goalie was ejected, he reluctantly agreed to finish the game at that spot... he had 5 incredible saves... and was initially forced to play that role until the starting goalie came back... but that date never arrived... he played so well, the team and the fans did not want him to relinquish the role...

And the guy wasn't a scrub forward either... check these out:


Having said that, I probably should have included G. Buffon on the bench... I think he's that good... Edwin Van der Saar and Petr Cech are two other great goalies that haven't even been mentioned....

ok I got it anyway it's quite funny to see the name of Campos in the midle of an all time team discussion even on the bench.

By the way in your opinion what is the all time Mexican team ?

For France

Bats
Desailly Blanc Thuram Trésor (I know no laterals...)
Tigana Giresse Deschamps Platini
Fontaine Zidane (I know... but impossible to not consider Tigana Giresse)

[sonic21]

you didn't put kopa?

[MB20]

ok I got it anyway it's quite funny to see the name of Campos in the midle of an all time team discussion even on the bench.

By the way in your opinion what is the all time Mexican team ?

For France

Bats
Desailly Blanc Thuram Trésor (I know no laterals...)
Tigana Giresse Deschamps Platini
Fontaine Zidane (I know... but impossible to not consider Tigana Giresse)

I loved the ´86 midfield of Tigana, Platini and Fernandes!!!
France-Brazil in Mexico 86 was the best game of that WC.
It was also Platini´s birthday, and he missed a penalty kick.
Zico also missed a penalty kick during regulation.
Good times...:hat

[MB20]

My team:

Yashin
Cafu Baresi Beckenbauer R.Carlos(not sure about this one)
Pele Distefano Cruyff Maradona
Garrincha Puskas

For Argentina:
Fillol
Olguin Perfumo Passarela Marzolini
Moreno Mascherano JJ Lopez
Maradona
Sivori Artime

[Brazil]

you didn't put kopa?

it was Fontaine or Kopa it's a tossup I don't know actually but hard to put both anyway

[Brazil]

My team:

Yashin
Cafu Baresi Beckenbauer R.Carlos(not sure about this one)
Pele Distefano Cruyff Maradona
Garrincha Puskas

For Argentina:
Fillol
Olguin Perfumo Passarela Marzolini
Moreno Mascherano JJ Lopez
Maradona
Sivori Artime

no love for Batista ?

for the all time team I agree the Cafu / R. Carlos duo is not enough convincing for me. Globally these positions have no real obvious choice, there is a lack of quality at these positions anyway. For me in your team Platini is missing. On the best players list we have a clear 1 and 2 Pele Maradona then we can discuss between Platini Cruyff Beckenbauer Garrincha Distefano

[DAF86]

Argentina-


Filliol

Zanetti Ayala Passarella Sorin

Ardiles Redondo Kempes

Maradona

Messi Batistuta

I would maybe put Caniggia instead of Zanetti or Sorin.

[sonic21]

Sorin :tu

He played one year for psg and it's impossible to not love this guy.

[sonic21]

For France

Bats
Thuram Desailly Blanc Lizarazu
Deschamps
Zidane Platini Kopa
Cantona Papin

[Brazil]

For France

Bats
Thuram Desailly Blanc Lizarazu
Deschamps
Zidane Platini Kopa
Cantona Papin

Ok for the Bats Thuram Desailly Blanc Lizarazu. My Tresor choice was clearly an homer stuff but Cantona / Papin over Tigana or Giresse or Fontaine ? wtf ? Cantona never played at a high level for France anyway idem for Papin.

[sonic21]

Ok for the Bats Thuram Desailly Blanc Lizarazu. My Tresor choice was clearly an homer stuff but Cantona / Papin over Tigana or Giresse or Fontaine ? wtf ? Cantona never played at a high level for France anyway idem for Papin.

well true but imo they were the better player. It's a shame France choked against Israel and Bulgaria because they had a stacked team and were playing impressive.

[DAF86]

Sorin :tu

He played one year for psg and it's impossible to not love this guy.

He played in River and he was great for us too, it's unbelievable the amount of goals he scored playing as a left back.

[MB20]

no love for Batista ?

for the all time team I agree the Cafu / R. Carlos duo is not enough convincing for me. Globally these positions have no real obvious choice, there is a lack of quality at these positions anyway. For me in your team Platini is missing. On the best players list we have a clear 1 and 2 Pele Maradona then we can discuss between Platini Cruyff Beckenbauer Garrincha Distefano

Batista? You mean Batistuta?
I love the guy, and had to think that twice. But Sivori/Artime were as good as him or better.

I even thought about including Arsenio Erico in my all time world team.
The man scored something like 300 goals in 400 games back in the day.
I couldn´t include him in my Argie team because he was born in Paraguay.

Anyway, there are so many players I left out: Eusebio, Bobby Charlton, Zidane, Platini, Del Piero, Weah, Van Basten, Gullit, Rikjaard, Zico, Romario, Ronaldo, Jairzinho, Tostao, Rivelino...ugh...a thousand brazilians actually.

[Brazil]

Batista? You mean Batistuta?
I love the guy, and had to think that twice. But Sivori/Artime were as good as him or better.

I even thought about including Arsenio Erico in my all time world team.
The man scored something like 300 goals in 400 games back in the day.
I couldn´t include him in my Argie team because he was born in Paraguay.

Anyway, there are so many players I left out: Eusebio, Bobby Charlton, Zidane, Platini, Del Piero, Weah, Van Basten, Gullit, Rikjaard, Zico, Romario, Ronaldo, Jairzinho, Tostao, Rivelino...ugh...a thousand brazilians actually.

sorry I forgot the tu !
What I consider as a great achievement for Batistuta is being able to be a great striker while playing in Italy and we know that as far as Defense is concerned Italian teams are the best in the world.

[MB20]

sorry I forgot the tu !
What I consider as a great achievement for Batistuta is being able to be a great striker while playing in Italy and we know that as far as Defense is concerned Italian teams are the best in the world.

He is also the all time leading scorer for our national team.
Unfortunately, he never won anything with the NT. A couple of America Cup, and that´s it.
I miss him so much right now. We don´t have a 9 like him.

[sonic21]

He played in River and he was great for us too, it's unbelievable the amount of goals he scored playing as a left back.

He was playing in the midfield for us with Heinze behind him as a left back. Good memories, that was the last season psg qualified for the CL (they finished 2nd).

[lefty]

For France

Bats
Thuram Desailly Blanc Lizarazu
Deschamps
Zidane Platini Kopa
Cantona Papin

I would have Maxime Bossis instead of Dessailly.

And Deschamps might be the worst Captain to lift a World Cup


Hard to argue with the rest though

[Brazil]

I would have Maxime Bossis instead of Dessailly.

And Deschamps might be the worst Captain to lift a World Cup


Hard to argue with the rest though

Bossis was brilliant but not a ferious defender like Desailly.

What do you mean by worst captain to lift a world cup ? For me he has been the most important piece of France team for at least a decade. What about Dunga for the worst in this kind of player ?

As already stated an all time french team must include IMO tigana and giresse

[sonic21]

i don't get the deschamps hate either, he succeed everywhere and no french player has won more than him.

[lefty]

Bossis was brilliant but not a ferious defender like Desailly.

What do you mean by worst captain to lift a world cup ? For me he has been the most important piece of France team for at least a decade. What about Dunga for the worst in this kind of player ?

As already stated an all time french team must include IMO tigana and giresse
Dessailly was more athletic; Bossis was much more skinny, but had a better technique

I'm not a big fan of Deschamps; he has an impressive palmares, but Luis Fernandez was better IMHO (you can disagree :D)

[Brazil]

Dessailly was more athletic; Bossis was much more skinny, but had a better technique

I'm not a big fan of Deschamps; he has an impressive palmares, but Luis Fernandez was better IMHO (you can disagree :D)

no problemo !

We need to define better at what ? Fernandez has a better offense but defensively Deschamps was just a beast and on top of that he is the perfect definition of a captain: without him France 98 would be ringless. He was the coach / the boss on the field, he gave the tempo. For me Deschamps = Dunga they lead a limited generation offensively speaking to a world cup. Now France 2000 is another story, this was maybe the most talented FNT ever.

[lefty]

no problemo !

We need to define better at what ? Fernandez has a better offense but defensively Deschamps was just a beast and on top of that he is the perfect definition of a captain: without Zidane France 98 would be ringless. He was the coach / the boss on the field, he gave the tempo. For me Deschamps = Dunga they lead a limited generation offensively speaking to a world cup. Now France 2000 is another story, this was maybe the most talented FNT ever.

Fixed it :D

[sonic21]

Zidane was awesome in other tournaments. In the 1998 WC he was average until the finale.

[Brazil]

Zidane was awesome in other tournaments. In the 1998 WC he was average until the finale.

this

and clearly at that time he was not the leader of the team

[lefty]

Zidane was awesome in other tournaments. In the 1998 WC he was average until the finale.

Yep

In 98, the man was Ayme Jacquet

[Brazil]

98 there was 4 men: Desailly Blanc Deschamps and mémé. These 4 were the fundation of the win.

[Sotongball21]

Hmm, of all time. Well, I can't do that because I only watched soccer for the last 10 years or more.
So, there will be a lot of "homerism" :D

Buffon

R. Carlos - Thuram - Maldini - Cafu

Emerson

Nedved - Del Piero - Garrincha

Batistusta - Trezeguet

[MB20]

I only watched soccer for the last 10 years

That would explain your choices. There were still better players than Trezeguet in the last 10 years...
And Garrincha doesn´t belong on that team, imo.

:toast

[sonic21]

Hmm, of all time. Well, I can't do that because I only watched soccer for the last 10 years or more.
So, there will be a lot of "homerism" :D

Buffon

R. Carlos - Thuram - Maldini - Cafu

Emerson

Nedved - Del Piero - Garrincha

Batistusta - Trezeguet

are you italian?

just wondering because 9 players have played in italy on your team.

[Brazil]

I found a nice article on Di Stefano in l'équipe.fr it's in french.

Je ne sais pas vous, mais on a senti pendant les vacances que certains sujets de l'actualité avaient un peu radicalisé la façon dont le public accepte - ou plutôt, n'accepte plus - le volume d'argent brassé par le football. Comme si les patinages de la FFF et de l'intéressé autour de la prime perçue par Raymond Domenech avaient réveillé le vieux réflexe qui sommeille en chacun, celui du «trop payés», avec dans son sillage ces jugements définitifs sur le foot qui n'aurait - si on laisse bien traîner les oreilles - plus qu'un lointain rapport avec le sport. Du business, mon bon Monsieur, pratiqué par des gens qui peinent à masquer leur faible envie de courir et qui les poussent aux plus vils comportements. Aux qualifications arrachées avec l'aide de la main, tiens, par exemple. On y a eu droit en décembre, dans un mélange des genres saisissant, entre le foie gras et la dinde. Même l'élite de la nation envoie le message que ces gens-là sont des nantis. Frédéric Thiriez, dans ses voeux 2010 diffusés sur internet, en fronce le sourcil de rage, parlant de l'«indignité» et des «attaques démagogiques» du Parlement contre les revenus des sportifs pro.



Alfredo di Stefano a eu le malheur d'exercer avant que la télé devienne un média de masse. C'est simple : ceux qui l'ont vu évoluer le placent devant tous les Platini, Cruyff, Zidane et autres Messi.



Heureusement, pour les vrais amateurs de ballon, il reste le football de papa. Quelques décennies de souvenirs étoilés sans rapport avec les minables calculs des hommes d'affaires en short d'aujourd'hui. De vrai foot, quoi. Le mensuel So Foot vient de faire paraître un hors-série en forme de Bible du foot-nostalgie, consacré à 50 légendes. Douze pages y sont consacrées à Alfredo di Stefano, qui raconte son itinéraire dans un remarquable document en forme d'entretien fleuve. Le nom de l'actuel président d'honneur du Real Madrid et de l'UEFA est probablement connu de tous, même si peu nombreux sont ceux qui mesurent la place de l'Hispano-Argentin dans l'histoire de ce jeu, lui qui a eu le malheur d'exercer avant que la télé devienne un média de masse. C'est simple : ceux qui l'ont vu évoluer le placent devant tous les Platini, Cruyff, Zidane et autres Messi. Décrivent un joueur total, surdoué techniquement et formidable d'impact physique. Cela lui a valu d'être sacré seul Super Ballon d'Or de l'histoire, en 1989. En 2005, à la veille de la cinquantième finale de C1 de l'histoire, Jacques Ferran, qui fut l'un des créateurs de la compétition et n'en a pas manqué grand chose, nous l'a juré au cours d'un dîner à Istanbul : Di Stefano était le plus grand de tous, sans exception.



Dans cet entretien, on en apprend de belles sur l'innocence tant regrettée du foot en noir en blanc. Sur la grève des footballeurs argentins qui a abouti à son départ pour la Colombie en 1949, Di Stefano nous dit : «Les joueurs n'étaient que des marchandises.» Son départ de River Plate à Bogota : «J'ai hésité. Mais quand les dirigeants des Millonarios m'ont annoncé ce que j'allais toucher, j'ai fait mes valises sans me poser de question. (...) Je gagnais autant d'argent en un an qu'en dix ans à River Plate. (...). Si River m'avait offert le même salaire (...), je serais resté en Argentine, c'est sûr. (...) Il y avait énormément de joueurs étrangers (...), tous là pour une seule chose : l'argent.» Sur le mythe voulant que Franco l'ait arraché au FC Barcelone : « Non, c'était une affaire de football et de gros sous ».

Histoire de nous prendre un ultime sourire, Di Stefano confie avoir été « l'un des premiers joueurs de l'histoire à marquer de la main ». Peu tiraillé par la morale, il s'étonne : « Pourquoi je l'aurais dit ? C'était un but ! »


Histoire de nous prendre un ultime sourire, Di Stefano confie avoir été «l'un des premiers joueurs de l'histoire à marquer de la main». « Le défenseur tente de dégager le ballon, je mets mes mains en avant, et je touche la balle sans faire exprès. But !». Peu tiraillé par la morale, il s'étonne : «Pourquoi je l'aurais dit ? C'était un but !». Qu'on ne s'y trompe pas, Di Stefano plaçait le jeu au-dessus de tout. Quand le Real a voulu le forcer à devenir dirigeant, il a préféré filer à l'Espanyol Barcelone pour continuer sa carrière, à 37 ans. Il l'arrêterait en 1967 la quarantaine passée. Nul doute que la plupart des pros d'aujourd'hui n'en jugeraient pas l'utilité après leur dernier bon contrat. Mais à l'aune du témoignage de Di Stefano, les certitudes indignées des vrais connaisseurs du football n'ont pas fini de nous amuser. Quand il sera président d'honneur d'Arsenal dans trente ans, que la France fêtera en 2048 le demi-siècle de son titre de champion du monde, Thierry Henry sera l'Alfredo Di Stefano d'autres donneurs de leçons. Un souvenir ému. On regrettera le foot des années 2000, celui des Liverpool - Milan et autres Lyon - Marseille. A l'époque, voyez vous, on mouillait vraiment le maillot.

[Brazil]

Hmm, of all time. Well, I can't do that because I only watched soccer for the last 10 years or more.
So, there will be a lot of "homerism" :D

Buffon

R. Carlos - Thuram - Maldini - Cafu

Emerson

Nedved - Del Piero - Garrincha

Batistusta - Trezeguet

You choosed only one historical guy: Garrincha. Why ?

[Sotongball21]

because he is the best dribbler of all time! haha

No one that is currently playing that i know of is better than him.

[TDMVPDPOY]

im suprise no one has even mention drogba on their lists....

sotongball has trezequet on his list....

del peiro > trez

[Brazil]

im suprise no one has even mention drogba on their lists....

sotongball has trezequet on his list....

del peiro > trez

Drogba in all time list ??? Maybe Weah at the deep end of the bench

[peter_slb]

Michel Preud'Homme
Carlos Alberto
David Luiz (this is a projection, in 10 years he'll deserve to be here)
Beckenbauer
Maldini
Lothar Matthaus
Johan Cruyff
Zidane
Pelé
Marco Van Basten
Eusébio