Why LeBron James is better than Kobe Bryant

[MiamiHeat]

There has never been a player this good at this age.

LeBron is best, most complete player to ever play in the NBA right out of high school. He is light years ahead of Kobe Bryant at every age since 18.

When Kobe was sitting on the bench for his first couple of NBA seasons, LeBron was averaging 20+ PPG, 5 asst, 6 rebs right out of the gate.

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Statistics prove LeBron is head and shoulders above Bryant (http://nba.suite101.com/article.cfm/lebron_james_is_better_than_kobe_bryant)

Key Offensive Stats

There are many categories to compare, but the top three offensive statistics offer the best starting ground. Kobe Bryant averages 25.1 points per game, 5.3 assists per game, while shooting 45 percent from the field. The Cavs LeBron James averages 27.5 points per game, 6.6 assists per game and shoots 47 percent. The most obvious assessment here is that LeBron is better in every key offensive category. Interestingly, Kobe is known as a much better outside shooter, yet he is only a fraction better from 3-point range than LeBron (34 percent to 32 percent).

Defensive Comparison

A couple of years ago, most people would say Kobe Bryant was much better than LeBron James defensively, likely due to Bryant's on-ball pressure. With LeBron exerting himself, though, this opinion has changed in NBA circles. Plus, LeBron has always had better statistics defensively than Kobe Bryant. LeBron outrebounds Bryant, outsteals him and blocks more shots.

So, any argument that Kobe Bryant is a better defender than LeBron James is really no longer a valid argument.

Single Game Performances

The only category that Kobe Bryant owns is single-game scoring outbursts. He has numerous 60-point games and one 81-point eruption. LeBron James, though, has always been more interested in the all-around game, as evidenced by LeBron's 20 triple-doubles, compared to only 16 for Kobe, who has played hundreds more games than James.

Plus, anyone who saw LeBron James against Detroit in a close-out game in the 2007 playoffs would see what a gamer he can be, when he wants to take over. King James scored 24 straight points in the fourth quarter that night, including some unseemly 3-pointers with defenders draped all over him. James also hit the game-winning shot.

Summarizing the James versus Bryant Debate

There are times when intangibles make a difference when comparing athletes. This is not one of those times. There is certainly nothing intangible that Kobe Bryant can do better than LeBron James; both are supreme athletes who can run and jump with the best players in the NBA. Both have the proverbial killer instinct that great players have.

So, the numbers have to settle the debate. In this case, they certainly do. LeBron James is simply better than Kobe Bryant.

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Top 5 reasons why LeBron is the best player in the NBA, better than Bryant (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1823001/top_5_reasons_lebron_james_is_better.html)

Reason #1

Kobe's 40, 8 and 8 were good enough to beat Orlando, but LeBron's 49, 6 and 8, nor his 44, 12 and 7 performance were good enough to beat Orlando. That tells me one thing: Kobe's team is way better than LeBron's. If Kobe can have a night like that and blow out the Magic by 25, then why wouldn't a similar night result in at least a win for LeBron? It just goes to show you what type of talent the two have playing around them. That's why LeBron's accomplishments with this team are amazing, and it is also why the "Kobe made the Finals" argument doesn't win the debate for Mr. Bryant.


Reason #2

LeBron is the better passer and rebounder. Say what you will about Kobe's ability to score, but LeBron is better at just about every phase of the game, especially passing and rebounding. LeBron's assists numbers destroy Kobe Bryant. Even when Kobe Bryant was
more of a facilitator and had Shaq-Daddy to throw lob passes to, he only averaged 5, or at best 6, assists per game. Compare that to LeBron's 7.5 and it's a not contest, especially when you consider the no-names he is pass the ball to. As for the rebounding, it's not even close. Forget the actual boards, LeBron grabs 11.9% of all boards available, and 19% of all defensive boards. That's an amazing stat for a guy who plays out on the perimeter as much as he does.

Reason #3

LeBron is in his prime. Listen, there was a time when Kobe Bryant was a better player than LeBron James, but that time has passed. Not to say that Kobe is losing it already, but he's not the high-flying, super crossover, defending Allen Iverson type of player he once was. LeBron on the other hand is still doing all of those things, and he is doing them at a high level. I mean can you really imagine Kobe doing all of the acrobatic, dunk contest type of stuff he use to do? You can't, and neither can I. Which is why, at the very least, Kobe backers have to admit that LeBron has passed Kobe as an athlete.

Reason #4

LeBron is playing defense. Just last year, the big issue everyone had with LeBron is that he wasn't a defender. ESPN analyst after ESPN analyst would point to the fact that Kobe gets it done on both ends of the floor and that's why they considered him a better player than LeBron. But those days are over. LeBron is a defensive stand-out. I'm not saying he's the best defender ever now, but those AP guys did vote him to the first-team All Defense this year, meaning that they considered him among the top 5 defenders in the league. Yes, Kobe was right there alongside of him, but no longer can anyone say that Kobe's defense is what separates him from LeBron, because right now there is little separation in that department, if any.


Reason #5

LeBron James is more clutch than Kobe Bryant. Can we really stop with the nonsense that Kobe is the guy you would rather have in the last 5 minutes of a game? Have you seen what LeBron did against the Magic? He was as clutch as ever. It's not his fault his team wasn't up to the task!

Jerry West says LeBron is the best player today (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE54H5PF20090518)

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"But even though it's hard for me to be objective, because I brought Kobe to Los Angeles, I do think LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player."
" - Jerry West - May 2009

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[Culburn369]

He ain't rang....and soon Media is gonna get after him for it.

And I can't wait.

[ChrisRichards]

There has never been a player this good at this age.

LeBron is best, most complete player to ever play in the NBA right out of high school. He is light years ahead of Kobe Bryant at every age since 18.

When Kobe was sitting on the bench for his first couple of NBA seasons, LeBron was averaging 20+ PPG, 5 asst, 6 rebs right out of the gate.

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Key Offensive Stats

There are many categories to compare, but the top three offensive statistics offer the best starting ground. Kobe Bryant averages 25.1 points per game, 5.3 assists per game, while shooting 45 percent from the field. The Cavs LeBron James averages 27.5 points per game, 6.6 assists per game and shoots 47 percent. The most obvious assessment here is that LeBron is better in every key offensive category. Interestingly, Kobe is known as a much better outside shooter, yet he is only a fraction better from 3-point range than LeBron (34 percent to 32 percent).
Defensive Comparison

A couple of years ago, most people would say Kobe Bryant was much better than LeBron James defensively, likely due to Bryant's on-ball pressure. With LeBron exerting himself, though, this opinion has changed in NBA circles. Plus, LeBron has always had better statistics defensively than Kobe Bryant. LeBron outrebounds Bryant, outsteals him and blocks more shots.

So, any argument that Kobe Bryant is a better defender than LeBron James is really no longer a valid argument.
Single Game Performances

The only category that Kobe Bryant owns is single-game scoring outbursts. He has numerous 60-point games and one 81-point eruption. LeBron James, though, has always been more interested in the all-around game, as evidenced by LeBron's 20 triple-doubles, compared to only 16 for Kobe, who has played hundreds more games than James.

Plus, anyone who saw LeBron James against Detroit in a close-out game in the 2007 playoffs would see what a gamer he can be, when he wants to take over. King James scored 24 straight points in the fourth quarter that night, including some unseemly 3-pointers with defenders draped all over him. James also hit the game-winning shot.
Summarizing the James versus Bryant Debate

There are times when intangibles make a difference when comparing athletes. This is not one of those times. There is certainly nothing intangible that Kobe Bryant can do better than LeBron James; both are supreme athletes who can run and jump with the best players in the NBA. Both have the proverbial killer instinct that great players have.

So, the numbers have to settle the debate. In this case, they certainly do. LeBron James is simply better than Kobe Bryant.

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Jerry West says LeBron is the best player today (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE54H5PF20090518)

"But even though it's hard for me to be objective, because I brought Kobe to Los Angeles, I do think LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player."

"I look at Cleveland say to myself, 'How many games could they win without LeBron James?' West told Reuters in an interview. "That's how great he is.

"He has a chance to be arguably the greatest player ever to play the game."

West, the NBA's executive of the year with the Lakers in 1995 and the Memphis Grizzlies in 2004, said playing both ends of the floor was what made Jordan so great.

"Michael Jordan was the best defensive player in the league but he was also the best offensive player," said West. "It wasn't a one-year fluke, he proved it over time.

"LeBron James will do the same type of things because he's getting better. He's a much more effective shooter. When's he's making his shots from the outside, you can't play him.

"He's just too big, too strong, too quick. And he has incredible body control. But more than that, he's a great team mate. You can see his team mates love him." - Jerry West - May 2009

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:lol@ Jerry West backstabbing the Laker fanbase

[Culburn369]

The Heater just busted his own goober.

[ChrisRichards]

fuck, please delete this thread.

[Culburn369]

You fake you. And here I thought you really liked old Cubby.

[JamStone]

fuck, please delete this thread. i already created another one two minutes ago, my computer froze so i had to create another not knowing the browser actually loaded, sorry mods lol

I don't read all your posts and threads or always pay attention, but is this the first time ChrisRichards actually admitted he is MiamiHeat?

[ChrisRichards]

I love Cubby, if it was'nt for the Culb, I would go all out with the Kobe hate on this board.:toast Im on idle mode right now ;)

[MiamiHeat]

lol @ ChrisRichards troll

stole my thread and trying to pass it off as if he was me

idiot

[MiamiHeat]

I don't read all your posts and threads or always pay attention, but is this the first time ChrisRichards actually admitted he is MiamiHeat?

It's not

ChrisRichards is a Laker troll, who is riding my cock. Laker fans are using Spurs NBA forum as a trolling ground

[ChrisRichards]

I don't read all your posts and threads or always pay attention, but is this the first time ChrisRichards actually admitted he is MiamiHeat?
dont make up stories jamstone

[ChrisRichards]

lol @ ChrisRichards troll

stole my thread and trying to pass it off as if he was me

idiot
go fuck yourself bandwagoner, i dont need your shit here asshole.

[ChrisRichards]

It's not

ChrisRichards is a Laker troll, who is riding my cock
yeah, im the ChrisRichards troll using my own username:rolleyes good grief you're delusional.

[MiamiHeat]

You're a troll because you tried to say you were me, asshole

and you are a Laker fan in disguise. It's clear you are no heat fan.

You say you hate me so much, but here you are, wasting your time trolling me.

Jokes on you :lol

[MiamiHeat]

First off, who's the best supporting player that LeBron has ever had? A guy name Mo Williams, who can shoot when he's open and score a few buckets. He now has a washed up Shaq past his prime, but even that may be enough to win a title.

Who has Kobe had?

Shaq, in his prime. He now has Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, the best front court in the league. He also has Lamar Odom, and many veterans such as Derek Fisher.

[21_Blessings]

I don't read all your posts and threads or always pay attention, but is this the first time ChrisRichards actually admitted he is MiamiHeat?

Wasn't that pretty obvious though?

[JamStone]

Wasn't that pretty obvious though?

Yes, but his actually admitting it, or rather mistakenly let it be known, is something new, right?

[MiamiHeat]

I don't have any other accounts, asshat. Why would I post the same thing twice, on two different accounts?

Since when the fuck am I ever scared to say anything that I would need a troll account?

Dumb Laker fans are dumb.

ChrisRichards = a laker fan troll trying to pass off as me

They like me a lot, even though they say they hate me. That's because they are attention deprived in real life, so they follow me around because I actually respond to the kobe threads.

[MiamiHeat]

Yes, but his actually admitting it is something new, right?

I already told you it's not me, but you ignored me and now talking to the Laker fans

so I am taking it you are trolling too

[IronMexican]

I don't read all your posts and threads or always pay attention, but is this the first time ChrisRichards actually admitted he is MiamiHeat?

Everybody already knew. He was trying to say it wasn't him. I don't think anyone bought it.

[JamStone]

I don't have any other accounts, asshat. Why would I post the same thing twice, on two different accounts?

Since when the fuck am I ever scared to say anything that I would need a troll account?

Dumb Laker fans are dumb.

ChrisRichards = a laker fan troll trying to pass off as me

They like me a lot, even though they say they hate me. That's because they are attention deprived in real life, so they follow me around because I actually respond to the kobe threads.


Because your computer froze and you logged on as your other account by mistake.

It would have made more sense had you allowed ChrisRichards to continue to pretend that he was in fact trying to troll you. However, instead you went another route and had ChrisRichards deny what he said as well and edit his post after the fact. Good thing I quoted it. It makes less sense that both of you deny it now and you have MiamiHeat make up the story that he's trying to troll you.

Son, pick up your troll game.

[Culburn369]

Jammie is right.

[BUMP]

The fact that he and Chris Richards are "arguing" is a classic defense mechanism. :lmao

[MiamiHeat]

Because your computer froze and you logged on as your other account by mistake.

It would have made more sense had you allowed ChrisRichards to continue to pretend that he was in fact trying to troll you. However, instead you went another route and had ChrisRichards deny what he said as well and edit his post after the fact. Good thing I quoted it. It makes less sense that both of you deny it now and you have MiamiHeat make up the story that he's trying to troll you.

Son, pick up your troll game.

whatever, I'm not gonna feed your stupid game.

ChrisRichards really is a Laker fan troll, who is obsessed with me

your game won't work on me. i'm not replying anymore to this thread.

[Greg Oden]

Jammie is right.

Hop off his nuts real quick.

[BUMP]

Just admit it anyway, its not like it matters in real life. If i got caught I would admit it who cares? people will get over it

[MiamiHeat]

The fact that he and Chris Richards are "arguing" is a classic defense mechanism. :lmao

lmao BUMP troll account

why exactly would I need a troll account? don't I already say anything I want on THIS account?

dumbass.

i'm out

[IronMexican]

trolling?

You really think that I would create another acct and say shit I already say on this account?

nevermind some stupid attempt at "Oh sorry already posted it, whoops!"

you are joking right?


Go waste your time with someone else, dumbshit.


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That's how I replied to his PM.

[Kamnik]

Lebron is a douchebag.

Kobe ain't perfect... but he isn't so retarded.

[MiamiHeat]

Douchebag > Rapist

[Spursfan092120]

lol King Nothing.
Kobe cheated, he didn't rape. It was consensual. And I'm not a Kobe lover by any means, but dude...he's miles better than Lebron.

[MiamiHeat]

STATS speak for themselves.

All statistics point to LeBron James being better.

[namlook]

Kobe 4 rings

Lebron 0 rings

Lebron needs to win some rings first. Stats mean nothing if championships are not attached to them.

[Spursfan092120]

First off, who's the best supporting player that LeBron has ever had? A guy name Mo Williams, who can shoot when he's open and score a few buckets. He now has a washed up Shaq past his prime, but even that may be enough to win a title.

Who has Kobe had?

Shaq, in his prime. He now has Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, the best front court in the league. He also has Lamar Odom, and many veterans such as Derek Fisher.
I don't think you quite get it. Sure, Kobe had Shaq and Lebron hasn't had anyone. But the fact is, supporting cast and non supporting cast, one guy has won, and one hasn't...that's all that matters. You can't say a guy is better than another guy because he hasn't had the same teammates. That just doesn't work. Kobe makes other players better. He made Derek Fisher a good shooter by taking all the pressure away. Once Lebron figures out how to make his teammates better, he'll be on Kobe's level, but who knows when that'll happen.

[TheNextGen]

Cp3 has great stats, therefore Cp3 > Kobe

[Spursfan092120]

STATS speak for themselves.

All statistics point to LeBron James being better.
Kobe is better because he makes his teammates better...Lebron doesn't...it's not just about what he does with his own game. This is a team sport...

[TheNextGen]

Kobe is better because he makes his teammates better...Lebron doesn't...it's not just about what he does with his own game. This is a team sport...

you mean Lebron holding the ball at the top of the 3 point line for 22 seconds isnt making his teamamtes better?

[MiamiHeat]

you mean Lebron holding the ball at the top of the 3 point line for 22 seconds isnt making his teamamtes better?

I know you only have 800 posts, but

here I can tell you didn't read my post

Reason #2

LeBron is the better passer and rebounder. Say what you will about Kobe's ability to score, but LeBron is better at just about every phase of the game, especially passing and rebounding. LeBron's assists numbers destroy Kobe Bryant. Even when Kobe Bryant was
more of a facilitator and had Shaq-Daddy to throw lob passes to, he only averaged 5, or at best 6, assists per game. Compare that to LeBron's 7.5 and it's a not contest, especially when you consider the no-names he is pass the ball to. As for the rebounding, it's not even close. Forget the actual boards, LeBron grabs 11.9% of all boards available, and 19% of all defensive boards. That's an amazing stat for a guy who plays out on the perimeter as much as he does.

[Culburn369]

you mean Lebron holding the ball at the top of the 3 point line for 22 seconds isnt making his teamamtes better?

Or, his newest tact: taking the ball into corner of the sideline and half court line and standing there. :rolleyes

[TheNextGen]

I know you only have 800 posts, but

here I can tell you didn't read my post

Reason #2

LeBron is the better passer and rebounder. Say what you will about Kobe's ability to score, but LeBron is better at just about every phase of the game, especially passing and rebounding. LeBron's assists numbers destroy Kobe Bryant. Even when Kobe Bryant was
more of a facilitator and had Shaq-Daddy to throw lob passes to, he only averaged 5, or at best 6, assists per game. Compare that to LeBron's 7.5 and it's a not contest, especially when you consider the no-names he is pass the ball to. As for the rebounding, it's not even close. Forget the actual boards, LeBron grabs 11.9% of all boards available, and 19% of all defensive boards. That's an amazing stat for a guy who plays out on the perimeter as much as he does.

you're right, i didnt read your post. I forgot that Kobe handled the ball the whole time like Lebron during the Shaq era. =P

[TheNextGen]

this thread is classic.

[Culburn369]

Go waste your time with someone else, dumbshit.


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That's how I replied to his PM.

Iron is right, Heat. You shamed yourself tonite. & needlessly so

[MiamiHeat]

Looking at the facts,

it's quite clear that LeBron James is the best player today.

[KidCongo]

James after 6 seasons:

1xNBA MVP
1xROY
5xNBA All Star
1xScoring Champion
3xAll NBA 1st Teams
2xAll NBA 2nd Teams
1xAll-Defensive 1st Team
1xFinals Appearance

27.5ppg 7rpg 6.7apg 1.7spg 0.8bpg 47% 32.5%3pt 73.8%FT 40:33mpg

Kobe Bryant after 6 seasons:

3xNBA Championships
4xNBA All Star
1xAll NBA 1st Team
2xAll NBA 2nd Team
1xAll NBA 3rd Team
1xAll-Defensive 1st Team
2xAll-Defensive 2nd Team

19.8ppg 4.7rpg 3.8apg 1.3spg .6bpg 45.2% 31% 3pt 82.6% FT 32:47mpg

Kobe got the 3 rings and was a much better defender than LeBron in his 1st 6 seasons compared to LeBron gathering greater individual accolades and statistics whilst reviving a dead franchise.

[Spursfan092120]

Looking at the facts,

it's quite clear that LeBron James is the best player today.
I believe you're trolling..well..I hope you're trolling. No way you actually believe what you're saying here.

[MiamiHeat]

I believe you're trolling..well..I hope you're trolling. No way you actually believe what you're saying here.

Are you 15 years old?

you sound like a young kid

Kid, go read my post before you reply ok? The facts speak for themselves.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Kobe is so not good that he is on your mind 24/7. :lol

[ChrisRichards]

.....dp nm...

[ginobili's bald spot]

how is he on my mind, this is a basketball forum of course we're going to talk about basketball:rolleyes


idiot




LOL




MIAMIHEAT FORGOT TO LOG OUT OF HIS CHRIS RICHARDS ACCOUNT




:lol
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[jacobdrj]

Kobe is a great great player, one of the best offensive weapons in the NBA while he played, and a very good defender (for 30 seconds at a time, no more than 3 times a game).

However, Kobe has shown a kryptonite-like weakness to his game: Phil Jackson. Kobe is ineffective as a player when Phil doesn't coach. Not that he can't score, or can't win regular season games, most of the time, but he can't put things 'together' without him, at least not yet.

LeBron has had his own issues with coaches (Snow getting rid of Sials? Yeah right...), But he has at least been able to cary his team into the playoffs and advance fairly far. Now his Finals run was a bit fraudulent (a paper thin injured Wiz, mentally unstable Pistons, etc.) but he was fighting his coach the whole way, as he does to this day.

That is pretty amazing.

[MiamiHeat]

how is he on my mind, this is a basketball forum of course we're going to talk about basketball:rolleyes


idiot

:rollin

you are obsessed with me, haha.

I got a fan on the internet!!!!!!!!!!!! i am awesome :)

you know you aren't the first though right? I've had internet stalkers before you chrisrichards :)

[MiamiHeat]

LOL




MIAMIHEAT FORGOT TO LOG OUT OF HIS CHRIS RICHARDS ACCOUNT




:lol
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how about I go get Kori to come post and tell us if I am Chrisrichards?

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe is a great great player, one of the best offensive weapons in the NBA while he played, and a very good defender (for 30 seconds at a time, no more than 3 times a game).

However, Kobe has shown a kryptonite-like weakness to his game: Phil Jackson. Kobe is ineffective as a player when Phil doesn't coach. Not that he can't score, or can't win regular season games, most of the time, but he can't put things 'together' without him, at least not yet.

LeBron has had his own issues with coaches (Snow getting rid of Sials? Yeah right...), But he has at least been able to cary his team into the playoffs and advance fairly far. Now his Finals run was a bit fraudulent (a paper thin injured Wiz, mentally unstable Pistons, etc.) but he was fighting his coach the whole way, as he does to this day.

That is pretty amazing.

yup.

It's quite obvious LeBron is the best.

[jacobdrj]

(Wins/Losses)/('Coach Strength'*'Teammate Strength')

[ginobili's bald spot]

how about I go get Kori to come post and tell us if I am Chrisrichards?


Lets see... You both post about the same thing. You are both HeatFans. And he responds to posts directed at you as if they were directed at him. And you went back and edited the post after I caught you. :lol

And to the post you edited... yes this is a basketball forum idiot. And Kobe is the ONLY basketball player you obsess over. So much that you even made another account to obsess over him with so that it would seem less obvious. :lmao He's on your mind all the time. It's funny how you feel the need to obsess about how NOT good someone supposedly is. :lol If that were true then you wouldn't dedicate your life to posting about it and there wouldn't be 50 threads about him on the front page of the NBA forum. People who are actually overrated hardly get talked about in here (sup Wade)

[MiamiHeat]

He's trolling me because he's also a Laker fan like you. He's doing that on purpose. it's not hard, create another account, talk about the same shit, and then reply to posts direct at ginobili and say "woops,forgot to change accounts"

you got owned by him, is all I will say on that. He fooled you

[MiamiHeat]

and I notice Laker fans have no response to the facts presented.

Kobe isn't even the best player in the NBA today. LeBron James is.

[Banzai]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/worfisfrustratedmz8.gif (http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=977)

[MiamiHeat]

NBA Commissioner David Stern will be on The $ports Take with Rick Horrow (on Versus) on Tuesday, Oct. 27. Stern was asked about LeBron James, and this is some of what he had to say:

He may be the best player ever to have played. Michael might dispute that, but he has a lot of canvas yet on which to paint. I have no doubt the picture is going to be beautiful.

You know, he hasn’t won anything yet but he may be the best player ever to descend to this planet. It’s a delight to watch him; it’s a delight to watch him grow, to see his width and breadth, in terms of his interest and capacities. He’s a great kid and a great player.

[Culburn369]

Kobe looks uncomfortable mentally.

James looks uncomfortable physically.

[MiamiHeat]

Reigning MVP.

[LakasRool4eva]

loling @ da hataz........ i didnt read any of it but u would have to be a blind homer to say Ledork is da best.............

[23LeBronJames23]

Only if LeBron would have had a better team and thought twice before he did some things, then he would had atleast 1 championship ring for sure..

all the stats prove LeBron is better except for that Kobe has 4 rings & Lebron has 0.

[Findog]

This message wasn't read because MiamiHeat is on your dumb-fuck list.

Go heat up a pizza and cry, you assbag.

[Findog]

loling @ da hataz........ i didnt read any of it but u would have to be a blind homer to say Ledork is da best.............

Okay, whoever this is, good troll. It took me a few posts before I caught on. Great parody of a Laker fan.

[Culburn369]

Kobe has it all figured out.

James hasn't a clue.

[MiamiHeat]

Yeah, Kobe has "I demand a trade, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

until management steals Gasol and Fisher to stack his team.

then suddenly, kobe has it figured out.

[JoeTait75]

If 18-year old Kobe Bryant walked into the exact same thing as 18-year old LeBron James walked into: a Cavaliers team that had lost 50-plus games four seasons in a row and had finished with the worst record in the NBA the year before...

Instead of the best and most prestigious organization in the sport, and one that was all loaded up for another big run with the league's most dominant big man...

Do you think Kobe would have gotten the Cavaliers as far as LeBron has gotten them?

[Culburn369]

Sure, James has taken the Cavs nowhere, ever. Kobe could do that.

[21_Blessings]

Do you think Kobe would have gotten the Cavaliers as far as LeBron has gotten them?

What I know is Lebron still wouldn't have a post-game if he was on the Lakers.

Doesn't matter what the team they are on. Kobe is the superior basketball player. Lebron may be more physicall and athletically dominant. But basketball skill? Kobe and it isn't even close.

Imagine Kobe posting the league up like he has been in a 6'8 275 frame.

[Gouken]

This thread is a fucking joke. lol Christmas Day bitches.

[23LeBronJames23]

Do you think Kobe would have gotten the Cavaliers as far as LeBron has gotten them?

if kobe woulda had same teammates as LeBron then No

[Culburn369]

What I know is Lebron still wouldn't have a post-game if he was on the Lakers.

I God's, have you ever seen anything like in yer life, 21?

[Smooth Criminal]

There has never been a player this good at this age.

LeBron is best, most complete player to ever play in the NBA right out of high school. He is light years ahead of Kobe Bryant at every age since 18.

When Kobe was sitting on the bench for his first couple of NBA seasons, LeBron was averaging 20+ PPG, 5 asst, 6 rebs right out of the gate.

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Statistics prove LeBron is head and shoulders above Bryant (http://nba.suite101.com/article.cfm/lebron_james_is_better_than_kobe_bryant)

Key Offensive Stats

There are many categories to compare, but the top three offensive statistics offer the best starting ground. Kobe Bryant averages 25.1 points per game, 5.3 assists per game, while shooting 45 percent from the field. The Cavs LeBron James averages 27.5 points per game, 6.6 assists per game and shoots 47 percent. The most obvious assessment here is that LeBron is better in every key offensive category. Interestingly, Kobe is known as a much better outside shooter, yet he is only a fraction better from 3-point range than LeBron (34 percent to 32 percent).Easier to get more assists when the entire offense is LeIso. And LeBron didn't get drafted by a Team with an All-Star playing his position. And he was drafted in a time when players out of HS were given more of a chance

Defensive Comparison

A couple of years ago, most people would say Kobe Bryant was much better than LeBron James defensively, likely due to Bryant's on-ball pressure. With LeBron exerting himself, though, this opinion has changed in NBA circles. Plus, LeBron has always had better statistics defensively than Kobe Bryant. LeBron outrebounds Bryant, outsteals him and blocks more shots.Blocks and Steals can be indicative of poor defense as well...And LeBron is not close to Kobe on ball defensively

So, any argument that Kobe Bryant is a better defender than LeBron James is really no longer a valid argument.

Single Game Performances

The only category that Kobe Bryant owns is single-game scoring outbursts. He has numerous 60-point games and one 81-point eruption. LeBron James, though, has always been more interested in the all-around game, as evidenced by LeBron's 20 triple-doubles, compared to only 16 for Kobe, who has played hundreds more games than James.

Plus, anyone who saw LeBron James against Detroit in a close-out game in the 2007 playoffs would see what a gamer he can be, when he wants to take over. King James scored 24 straight points in the fourth quarter that night, including some unseemly 3-pointers with defenders draped all over him. James also hit the game-winning shot.Kobe does that, he gets whipped for "BallHogging"

Summarizing the James versus Bryant Debate

There are times when intangibles make a difference when comparing athletes. This is not one of those times. There is certainly nothing intangible that Kobe Bryant can do better than LeBron James; both are supreme athletes who can run and jump with the best players in the NBA. Both have the proverbial killer instinct that great players have.I'd like to see some of LeBron's killer instinct...LeBron has won ONE playoff series against a 50+ win team. Kobe, WAY more.

So, the numbers have to settle the debate. In this case, they certainly do. LeBron James is simply better than Kobe Bryant.

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Top 5 reasons why LeBron is the best player in the NBA, better than Bryant (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1823001/top_5_reasons_lebron_james_is_better.html)

Reason #1

Kobe's 40, 8 and 8 were good enough to beat Orlando, but LeBron's 49, 6 and 8, nor his 44, 12 and 7 performance were good enough to beat Orlando. That tells me one thing: Kobe's team is way better than LeBron's. If Kobe can have a night like that and blow out the Magic by 25, then why wouldn't a similar night result in at least a win for LeBron? It just goes to show you what type of talent the two have playing around them. That's why LeBron's accomplishments with this team are amazing, and it is also why the "Kobe made the Finals" argument doesn't win the debate for Mr. Bryant.


Reason #2

LeBron is the better passer and rebounder. Say what you will about Kobe's ability to score, but LeBron is better at just about every phase of the game, especially passing and rebounding. LeBron's assists numbers destroy Kobe Bryant. Even when Kobe Bryant was
more of a facilitator and had Shaq-Daddy to throw lob passes to, he only averaged 5, or at best 6, assists per game. Compare that to LeBron's 7.5 and it's a not contest, especially when you consider the no-names he is pass the ball to. As for the rebounding, it's not even close. Forget the actual boards, LeBron grabs 11.9% of all boards available, and 19% of all defensive boards. That's an amazing stat for a guy who plays out on the perimeter as much as he does.

Reason #3

LeBron is in his prime. Listen, there was a time when Kobe Bryant was a better player than LeBron James, but that time has passed. Not to say that Kobe is losing it already, but he's not the high-flying, super crossover, defending Allen Iverson type of player he once was. LeBron on the other hand is still doing all of those things, and he is doing them at a high level. I mean can you really imagine Kobe doing all of the acrobatic, dunk contest type of stuff he use to do? You can't, and neither can I. Which is why, at the very least, Kobe backers have to admit that LeBron has passed Kobe as an athlete.
I don't remember LeBron locking up Allen Iverson or any Star Scorer...ever.
Reason #4

LeBron is playing defense. Just last year, the big issue everyone had with LeBron is that he wasn't a defender. ESPN analyst after ESPN analyst would point to the fact that Kobe gets it done on both ends of the floor and that's why they considered him a better player than LeBron. But those days are over. LeBron is a defensive stand-out. I'm not saying he's the best defender ever now, but those AP guys did vote him to the first-team All Defense this year, meaning that they considered him among the top 5 defenders in the league. Yes, Kobe was right there alongside of him, but no longer can anyone say that Kobe's defense is what separates him from LeBron, because right now there is little separation in that department, if any.
LeBron also was voted 2nd in DPOY, but does anyone seriously believe he deserved second over Shane Battier, Ron Artest, KG (Before Injury), or Tim Duncan?

Reason #5

LeBron James is more clutch than Kobe Bryant. Can we really stop with the nonsense that Kobe is the guy you would rather have in the last 5 minutes of a game? Have you seen what LeBron did against the Magic? He was as clutch as ever. It's not his fault his team wasn't up to the task!Can you really call LBJ more clutch than Kobe after the Miami game and the Bucks game? And there is a reason LeBron's teammates are just spot up shooter waiting for a pass. It's because LeIso's style of play forces that role on them.

Jerry West says LeBron is the best player today (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE54H5PF20090518)

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"But even though it's hard for me to be objective, because I brought Kobe to Los Angeles, I do think LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player."
" - Jerry West - May 2009

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[jdev82]

you wanna know what these numbers tell me? they tell me that statistics dont show even half the impact on games that any player has. they also show that miamiheat doesnt know basketball.

[23LeBronJames23]

Sure, James has taken the Cavs nowhere, ever. Kobe could do that.

he turned the team into playoff contenders, got to the the finals, turned mike brown into coach of the year etc...

[JoeTait75]

Doesn't matter what the team they are on.

How would Kobe have fared if he'd come to Cleveland in 2003 instead of L.A. in 1996?

That's the question.

I didn't ask "How would LeBron have done had he come to Los Angeles in 1996?"

I think we should know the answer to that one. :rolleyes

[JoeTait75]

Sure, James has taken the Cavs nowhere, ever.

You apparently didn't see them the year before he got there

[21_Blessings]

I God's, have you ever seen anything like in yer life, 21?

Caught this cute girl picking her nose once and that was way less awkward than watching Usurper James attempting to post anybody up.

[Smooth Criminal]

Reigning MVP.

And reigning Eastern Conference Semi-Finals Co-Champion

[Smooth Criminal]

Only if LeBron would have had a better team and thought twice before he did some things, then he would had atleast 1 championship ring for sure..

all the stats prove LeBron is better except for that Kobe has 4 rings & Lebron has 0.

So basically Kobe has an a huge lead in the most important stat...

[Gouken]

you wanna know what these numbers tell me? They tell me that statistics dont show even half the impact on games that any player has. They also show that miamiheat doesnt know basketball.

+1

[23LeBronJames23]

So basically Kobe has an a huge lead in the most important stat...

yeah what some people call most important

[ChrisRichards]

So basically Kobe has an a huge lead in the most important stat...
yeah he does, kobe leads with the most help coming from a teammate

:wakeup

[ChrisRichards]

+1
-2

[namlook]

Until Lebron wins rings this isn't even a discussion.

[ChrisRichards]

Until Lebron wins rings this isn't even a discussion.
lol ok there laker fan, you keep telling us this

[23LeBronJames23]

if we just talking Championships then Robert Horry is better than both of them (Kobe & LeBron)

[ChrisRichards]

if we just talking Championships then Robert Horry is better than both of them (Kobe & LeBron)
pippen too

[MiamiHeat]

Until Lebron wins rings this isn't even a discussion.

Yeah, unlike Kobe, who just carried Shaq to 3 rings and got the 2009 championship without a stacked team

poor lebron

[Kobe™]

So Chris Richards=MiamiHeat?

[MiamiHeat]

Reason #1

Kobe's 40, 8 and 8 were good enough to beat Orlando, but LeBron's 49, 6 and 8, nor his 44, 12 and 7 performance were good enough to beat Orlando. That tells me one thing: Kobe's team is way better than LeBron's. If Kobe can have a night like that and blow out the Magic by 25, then why wouldn't a similar night result in at least a win for LeBron? It just goes to show you what type of talent the two have playing around them. That's why LeBron's accomplishments with this team are amazing, and it is also why the "Kobe made the Finals" argument doesn't win the debate for Mr. Bryant.

[Kori Ellis]

The number of Kobe threads is ridiculous. Stick your repetitive thoughts all in one place. Thanks.

[namlook]

if we just talking Championships then Robert Horry is better than both of them (Kobe & LeBron)

Get real. Horry was a role player not one of the top two players on a championship team.

Comparisons are for great players only:

Kobe Shaq
Jordan Pippen
Magic Kareem
Bird McHale

etc.

Bottom line is Lebron's career will never favorably match up with Kobe's until he wins multiple rings. It's no different than KG and Tim. When KG wins multiple rings then people can start comparing him to Tim. Same thing with Lebron and Kobe.

[Mitch Kupchak]

Yeah, unlike Kobe, who just carried Shaq to 3 rings and got the 2009 championship without a stacked team poor lebron Since when did GM moves became a determining factor on who's the best player in the NBA? Is it Kobe's fault that the Lakers went out and got all those pieces? Or are we giving Cavs management a pass and give LeBron a pat on the back because they've given him less talent to work with?

[MiamiHeat]

notice how the facts owned these laker fans.

Facts are facts - LeBron owns Kobe in almost every single statistical category and is dead even in others.

[namlook]

notice how the facts owned these laker fans.

Facts are facts - LeBron owns Kobe in almost every single statistical category and is dead even in others.

KG has been a stat freak his whole career too. Yet who is better? KG or Duncan?

[Ghazi]

Kobe is more skilled than Lebron, but I still think Lebron has a greater impact on basketball games. It's all about perception really... after the Cheat were gifted a title by the refs a poll on ESPN if I recall correctly had D-Whistle leading as the best player in the NBA... and Kobe/Lebron were on mediocre teams at the time.

Now Kobe is coming off of a championship, and the Lakers still look like the best team in the NBA... I don't think the Kobe v Lebron debate is that legitimate, Lebron to me clearly has a greater impact on basketball games, the only reason it is such a debate is because of Kobe having a great team around him at this point in time.

If you give D-Whistle Kobe's supporting cast we're probably having a D-Whistle v Lebron debate with Kobe considered the 3rd best player in the league... everyones perceptions are skewed by how good a players' team is at a given point.

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe is more skilled than Lebron, but I still think Lebron has a greater impact on basketball games. It's all about perception really... after the Cheat were gifted a title by the refs a poll on ESPN if I recall correctly had D-Whistle leading as the best player in the NBA... and Kobe/Lebron were on mediocre teams at the time.

Now Kobe is coming off of a championship, and the Lakers still look like the best team in the NBA... I don't think the Kobe v Lebron debate is that legitimate, Lebron to me clearly has a greater impact on basketball games, the only reason it is such a debate is because of Kobe having a great team around him at this point in time.

If you give D-Whistle Kobe's supporting cast we're probably having a D-Whistle v Lebron debate with Kobe considered the 3rd best player in the league... everyones perceptions are skewed by how good a players' team is at a given point.

Excellent post.

even the parts about The Whistler. :lol

[TheMACHINE]

so what happens when Lebron has another HoF around him when he wins championships? Are we going to say he isnt that good cuz he had a great team, but Cp3 is better cuz he doesnt?

[Smooth Criminal]

You're a troll because you tried to say you were me, asshole

and you are a Laker fan in disguise. It's clear you are no heat fan.

You say you hate me so much, but here you are, wasting your time trolling me.

Jokes on you :lol

So ChrisRichards is to you...What you are to Kobe...interesting

[Smooth Criminal]

yeah what some people call most important
Winning in Basketball>MVP or anything else

yeah he does, kobe leads with the most help coming from a teammate

:wakeup

Hey I'll take the help if it gets my team 4 titles

[Smooth Criminal]

if we just talking Championships then Robert Horry is better than both of them (Kobe & LeBron)


pippen too

Yeah rings should be used in conjunction with actually watching the games...and when you do that it's pretty clear Kobe>Lebron, at least to me. And it's clear Kobe>Lebron>Horry

[Smooth Criminal]

Reason #1

Kobe's 40, 8 and 8 were good enough to beat Orlando, but LeBron's 49, 6 and 8, nor his 44, 12 and 7 performance were good enough to beat Orlando. That tells me one thing: Kobe's team is way better than LeBron's. If Kobe can have a night like that and blow out the Magic by 25, then why wouldn't a similar night result in at least a win for LeBron? It just goes to show you what type of talent the two have playing around them. That's why LeBron's accomplishments with this team are amazing, and it is also why the "Kobe made the Finals" argument doesn't win the debate for Mr. Bryant.

40-8-8 doesn't necessarily equal another players 40-8-8...Did one player play better defense, did he get his teammates EASY shots rather than making them stand around waiting for a pass (LeIso), Did he get timely momentum changing baskets, etc.

[Killakobe81]

Why? Because you either on:
1. Crack
2. Live in the "land of Happily ever after"
3. Are from Cleveland
4. Are a hater

Oh dont get me wrong the gap narrows year by year but most real basketball folks compare Kobe to MJ (even if he falls short) Lebron comparisons are sooo last year ...

[Killakobe81]

STATS speak for themselves.

All statistics point to LeBron James being better.

Stats can tell you whatever you want I could put plenty up that show Kobe is betetr and Mj is better than both ..who cares? Postiong stats are gonna change a Kobe hater's mind?

[hater]

So ppl that think Lebron is > Kobe are Kobe haters.

ppl that think Jordan > Kobe are also Kobe haters.

gotcha lakerfan :rolleyes

as I said. Lakerfans = insecure

[DeadlyDynasty]

Lets see... You both post about the same thing. You are both HeatFans. And he responds to posts directed at you as if they were directed at him. And you went back and edited the post after I caught you. :lol

And to the post you edited... yes this is a basketball forum idiot. And Kobe is the ONLY basketball player you obsess over. So much that you even made another account to obsess over him with so that it would seem less obvious. :lmao He's on your mind all the time. It's funny how you feel the need to obsess about how NOT good someone supposedly is. :lol If that were true then you wouldn't dedicate your life to posting about it and there wouldn't be 50 threads about him on the front page of the NBA forum. People who are actually overrated hardly get talked about in here (sup Wade)

+1...just do a search of his recent posts/threads...almost all of them are Kobe-related (seriously, check it out for yourself) :lmao
MiamiHeat continually makes an idiot out of himself...we know you're a closet Laker fan or you wouldn't post about them as often as you do.

[Killakobe81]

No people that think MJ is better (that SAW him play) reasonable and valid.
People that say Lebron > kobe = Dwight>Duncan
Physically you would want Howard and Lebron no doubt but the game is MUCH more than that .. give me Kobe and Duncan and some solid role players and I'll take that team against anyone .. Kobe and Duncan are proven winners and champions so far both Lebron and Howard were found wanting when it mattered most ...and have lost in the Finals to these guys ...

[hater]

No people that think MJ is better (that SAW him play) reasonable and valid.
People that say Lebron > kobe = Dwight>Duncan
Physically you would want Howard and Lebron no doubt but the game is MUCH more than that .. give me Kobe and Duncan and some solid role players and I'll take that team against anyone .. Kobe and Duncan are proven winners and champions so far both Lebron and Howard were found wanting when it mattered most ...and have lost in the Finals to these guys ...

wrong. I can actually see how some ppl might think Dwight > Duncan, especially Magic fans. They are not Duncan haters in my book.

maybe because I am not insecure??

[JoeTait75]

so what happens when Lebron has another HoF around him when he wins championships? Are we going to say he isnt that good cuz he had a great team, but Cp3 is better cuz he doesnt?

Hey, you Lake Show fans are the ones using rings as the only criteria. If you're going to make it all about rings you have to take the organizations, the front offices, the coaching and the supporting casts into account.

[23LeBronJames23]

Can i ask you a question Laker fans? If Kobe had 0 Championships right now who would you consider better Kobe or LeBron

[Culburn369]

Kobe.

James is way over hyped.

[ChrisRichards]

Can i ask you a question Laker fans? If Kobe had 0 Championships right now who would you consider better Kobe or LeBron
stupid question


people are already calling bron as the better player despite not having any championship. if kobe does'nt have a title right now, he'd be on gilbert arenas, joe johnson status. all star player that can put up huge points but thats it.

[23LeBronJames23]

stupid question


people are already calling bron as the better player despite not having any championship. if kobe does'nt have a title right now, he'd be on gilbert arenas, joe johnson status. all star player that can put up huge points but thats it.

im askin that LA fans because they are obssesed with kobe that they dont even see that LeBron would be still better but they cant except it.

[ChrisRichards]

im askin that LA fans because they are obssesed with kobe that they dont even see that LeBron would be still better but they cant except it.
Oh my bad bro. But we already know tha answer to that too...

[TheMACHINE]

im askin that LA fans because they are obssesed with kobe that they dont even see that LeBron would be still better but they cant except it.

if Kobe has 0 and lebron has 0, they both be fail and noone would be talking about them just like Arenas, Bosh, Johnson. Thats why Lebron is overhyped...great stats and hasnt achieved a damn thing.

[ChrisRichards]

if Kobe has 0 and lebron has 0, they both be fail and noone would be talking about them just like Arenas, Bosh, Johnson. Thats why Lebron is overhyped...great stats and hasnt achieved a damn thing.
Kobe will be a bigger fail. Ask me why.

[TheMACHINE]

Kobe will be a bigger fail. Ask me why.

why? cuz he didnt he didnt want to cum in your mouth?

[ChrisRichards]

why? cuz he didnt he didnt want to cum in your mouth?
Smart mouth.


Kobe will be a bigger failure because at season 14 and still without a ring, he would be no better than Allen Iverson.

[MiamiHeat]

It's not just 'some' statistics than point in LeBron's favor.

It's almost EVERY SINGLE one.

Even the "Clutch Factor" statistics. LeBron is ahead... in fact, Kobe ranks right below the top 10 in Clutch Factor.


and you can't say Kobe plays better D anymore.

LeBron is playing defense. Just last year, the big issue everyone had with LeBron is that he wasn't a defender. ESPN analyst after ESPN analyst would point to the fact that Kobe gets it done on both ends of the floor and that's why they considered him a better player than LeBron. But those days are over. LeBron is a defensive stand-out. I'm not saying he's the best defender ever now, but those AP guys did vote him to the first-team All Defense this year, meaning that they considered him among the top 5 defenders in the league. Yes, Kobe was right there alongside of him, but no longer can anyone say that Kobe's defense is what separates him from LeBron, because right now there is little separation in that department, if any.

[Killakobe81]

It's not just 'some' statistics than point in LeBron's favor.

It's almost EVERY SINGLE one.

Even the "Clutch Factor" statistics. LeBron is ahead... in fact, Kobe ranks right below the top 10 in Clutch Factor.


and you can't say Kobe plays better D anymore.

LeBron is playing defense. Just last year, the big issue everyone had with LeBron is that he wasn't a defender. ESPN analyst after ESPN analyst would point to the fact that Kobe gets it done on both ends of the floor and that's why they considered him a better player than LeBron. But those days are over. LeBron is a defensive stand-out. I'm not saying he's the best defender ever now, but those AP guys did vote him to the first-team All Defense this year, meaning that they considered him among the top 5 defenders in the league. Yes, Kobe was right there alongside of him, but no longer can anyone say that Kobe's defense is what separates him from LeBron, because right now there is little separation in that department, if any.

Wrong. Kobe has hit the most gamewinners in the NBA with 3 seconds or less since 2005 ...
Lebron makes great blocks and HAS IMPROVED on defense but he is not a shutdown defender ....When focused Kobe still is ...
And I am NOT saying ...that EVERYONE who thinks Lebron is better is a Kobe hater that was just talking crap ...
Im just saying that if you watch the game with no bias, or have played the game at a high level you can SEE with your own EYES that Kobe's skill level is on a much higher plane than Lebron. Lebron is now (and always was) the better athlete and I think he may even have that edge on MJ. But where he lacks:
1. Clutch shot making Lebron has gotten better no doubt about it and his willingness to pass makes him especially dangerous IF his guys are hot.
But every GM or player poll shows that Kobe would be chosen to take that shot STILL ...until this changes Kobe is more clutch
2.Lebron's foot work (except where it matters MOST on the dancefloor LOL) is suspect on defense and in the post ...watch Lebron on a regular basis his inside game is all speed and power and his blocks are hops ...his foot work sucks (well needs work) that is why he travels so much ...
3. HIS FT shooting still is suspect ...i know I chose him first in my FANTASY draft ..over Kobe, Wade and CP3 and he kills me ...a player of his baliber should be 85% and above as much as he gets fouled at that rate he would probaly outscore Melo and Kobe ...easily ...

The things Lebron does Exceptional now drive, pass, dunk and come from behind blocks ...dont make up for Kobe's superior post game, foot work, shot making mid-range game use of his left ...
If im making a tape of b-ball between the two defense (JVG pointed this out vs. Miami) I use kobe, jumpshot: Kobe, post game: Kobe FT? Kobe Only thing I use for Lebron? Dunking and Passing that is it ...
Anyone that would argue otherwise don't know ball ...

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe has taken the most, and missed the most, clutch shots since 2005

LeBron is much higher efficiency in clutch time than Kobe does.

Fact

Kobe being the best closer is a myth