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He ain't rang....and soon Media is gonna get after him for it.
And I can't wait.
There has never been a player this good at this age.
LeBron is best, most complete player to ever play in the NBA right out of high school. He is light years ahead of Kobe Bryant at every age since 18.
When Kobe was sitting on the bench for his first couple of NBA seasons, LeBron was averaging 20+ PPG, 5 asst, 6 rebs right out of the gate.
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Statistics prove LeBron is head and shoulders above Bryant
Key Offensive Stats
There are many categories to compare, but the top three offensive statistics offer the best starting ground. Kobe Bryant averages 25.1 points per game, 5.3 assists per game, while shooting 45 percent from the field. The Cavs LeBron James averages 27.5 points per game, 6.6 assists per game and shoots 47 percent. The most obvious assessment here is that LeBron is better in every key offensive category. Interestingly, Kobe is known as a much better outside shooter, yet he is only a fraction better from 3-point range than LeBron (34 percent to 32 percent).
Defensive Comparison
A couple of years ago, most people would say Kobe Bryant was much better than LeBron James defensively, likely due to Bryant's on-ball pressure. With LeBron exerting himself, though, this opinion has changed in NBA circles. Plus, LeBron has always had better statistics defensively than Kobe Bryant. LeBron outrebounds Bryant, outsteals him and blocks more shots.
So, any argument that Kobe Bryant is a better defender than LeBron James is really no longer a valid argument.
Single Game Performances
The only category that Kobe Bryant owns is single-game scoring outbursts. He has numerous 60-point games and one 81-point eruption. LeBron James, though, has always been more interested in the all-around game, as evidenced by LeBron's 20 triple-doubles, compared to only 16 for Kobe, who has played hundreds more games than James.
Plus, anyone who saw LeBron James against Detroit in a close-out game in the 2007 playoffs would see what a gamer he can be, when he wants to take over. King James scored 24 straight points in the fourth quarter that night, including some unseemly 3-pointers with defenders draped all over him. James also hit the game-winning shot.
Summarizing the James versus Bryant Debate
There are times when intangibles make a difference when comparing athletes. This is not one of those times. There is certainly nothing intangible that Kobe Bryant can do better than LeBron James; both are supreme athletes who can run and jump with the best players in the NBA. Both have the proverbial killer instinct that great players have.
So, the numbers have to settle the debate. In this case, they certainly do. LeBron James is simply better than Kobe Bryant.
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Top 5 reasons why LeBron is the best player in the NBA, better than Bryant
Reason #1
Kobe's 40, 8 and 8 were good enough to beat Orlando, but LeBron's 49, 6 and 8, nor his 44, 12 and 7 performance were good enough to beat Orlando. That tells me one thing: Kobe's team is way better than LeBron's. If Kobe can have a night like that and blow out the Magic by 25, then why wouldn't a similar night result in at least a win for LeBron? It just goes to show you what type of talent the two have playing around them. That's why LeBron's accomplishments with this team are amazing, and it is also why the "Kobe made the Finals" argument doesn't win the debate for Mr. Bryant.
Reason #2
LeBron is the better passer and rebounder. Say what you will about Kobe's ability to score, but LeBron is better at just about every phase of the game, especially passing and rebounding. LeBron's assists numbers destroy Kobe Bryant. Even when Kobe Bryant was
more of a facilitator and had Shaq-Daddy to throw lob passes to, he only averaged 5, or at best 6, assists per game. Compare that to LeBron's 7.5 and it's a not contest, especially when you consider the no-names he is pass the ball to. As for the rebounding, it's not even close. Forget the actual boards, LeBron grabs 11.9% of all boards available, and 19% of all defensive boards. That's an amazing stat for a guy who plays out on the perimeter as much as he does.
Reason #3
LeBron is in his prime. Listen, there was a time when Kobe Bryant was a better player than LeBron James, but that time has passed. Not to say that Kobe is losing it already, but he's not the high-flying, super crossover, defending Allen Iverson type of player he once was. LeBron on the other hand is still doing all of those things, and he is doing them at a high level. I mean can you really imagine Kobe doing all of the acrobatic, dunk contest type of stuff he use to do? You can't, and neither can I. Which is why, at the very least, Kobe backers have to admit that LeBron has passed Kobe as an athlete.
Reason #4
LeBron is playing defense. Just last year, the big issue everyone had with LeBron is that he wasn't a defender. ESPN analyst after ESPN analyst would point to the fact that Kobe gets it done on both ends of the floor and that's why they considered him a better player than LeBron. But those days are over. LeBron is a defensive stand-out. I'm not saying he's the best defender ever now, but those AP guys did vote him to the first-team All Defense this year, meaning that they considered him among the top 5 defenders in the league. Yes, Kobe was right there alongside of him, but no longer can anyone say that Kobe's defense is what separates him from LeBron, because right now there is little separation in that department, if any.
Reason #5
LeBron James is more clutch than Kobe Bryant. Can we really stop with the nonsense that Kobe is the guy you would rather have in the last 5 minutes of a game? Have you seen what LeBron did against the Magic? He was as clutch as ever. It's not his fault his team wasn't up to the task!
Jerry West says LeBron is the best player today
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"But even though it's hard for me to be objective, because I brought Kobe to Los Angeles, I do think LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player."
" - Jerry West - May 2009
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Last edited by MiamiHeat; 12-21-2009 at 06:57 PM.
He ain't rang....and soon Media is gonna get after him for it.
And I can't wait.
There has never been a player this good at this age.
LeBron is best, most complete player to ever play in the NBA right out of high school. He is light years ahead of Kobe Bryant at every age since 18.
When Kobe was sitting on the bench for his first couple of NBA seasons, LeBron was averaging 20+ PPG, 5 asst, 6 rebs right out of the gate.
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Key Offensive Stats
There are many categories to compare, but the top three offensive statistics offer the best starting ground. Kobe Bryant averages 25.1 points per game, 5.3 assists per game, while shooting 45 percent from the field. The Cavs LeBron James averages 27.5 points per game, 6.6 assists per game and shoots 47 percent. The most obvious assessment here is that LeBron is better in every key offensive category. Interestingly, Kobe is known as a much better outside shooter, yet he is only a fraction better from 3-point range than LeBron (34 percent to 32 percent).
Defensive Comparison
A couple of years ago, most people would say Kobe Bryant was much better than LeBron James defensively, likely due to Bryant's on-ball pressure. With LeBron exerting himself, though, this opinion has changed in NBA circles. Plus, LeBron has always had better statistics defensively than Kobe Bryant. LeBron outrebounds Bryant, outsteals him and blocks more shots.
So, any argument that Kobe Bryant is a better defender than LeBron James is really no longer a valid argument.
Single Game Performances
The only category that Kobe Bryant owns is single-game scoring outbursts. He has numerous 60-point games and one 81-point eruption. LeBron James, though, has always been more interested in the all-around game, as evidenced by LeBron's 20 triple-doubles, compared to only 16 for Kobe, who has played hundreds more games than James.
Plus, anyone who saw LeBron James against Detroit in a close-out game in the 2007 playoffs would see what a gamer he can be, when he wants to take over. King James scored 24 straight points in the fourth quarter that night, including some unseemly 3-pointers with defenders draped all over him. James also hit the game-winning shot.
Summarizing the James versus Bryant Debate
There are times when intangibles make a difference when comparing athletes. This is not one of those times. There is certainly nothing intangible that Kobe Bryant can do better than LeBron James; both are supreme athletes who can run and jump with the best players in the NBA. Both have the proverbial killer instinct that great players have.
So, the numbers have to settle the debate. In this case, they certainly do. LeBron James is simply better than Kobe Bryant.
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Jerry West says LeBron is the best player today
"But even though it's hard for me to be objective, because I brought Kobe to Los Angeles, I do think LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player."
"I look at Cleveland say to myself, 'How many games could they win without LeBron James?' West told Reuters in an interview. "That's how great he is.
"He has a chance to be arguably the greatest player ever to play the game."
West, the NBA's executive of the year with the Lakers in 1995 and the Memphis Grizzlies in 2004, said playing both ends of the floor was what made Jordan so great.
"Michael Jordan was the best defensive player in the league but he was also the best offensive player," said West. "It wasn't a one-year fluke, he proved it over time.
"LeBron James will do the same type of things because he's getting better. He's a much more effective shooter. When's he's making his shots from the outside, you can't play him.
"He's just too big, too strong, too quick. And he has incredible body control. But more than that, he's a great team mate. You can see his team mates love him." - Jerry West - May 2009
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@ Jerry West backstabbing the Laker fanbase
The Heater just busted his own goober.
, please delete this thread.
Last edited by ChrisRichards; 12-21-2009 at 07:00 PM.
You fake you. And here I thought you really liked old Cubby.
I don't read all your posts and threads or always pay attention, but is this the first time ChrisRichards actually admitted he is MiamiHeat?
I love Cubby, if it was'nt for the Culb, I would go all out with the Kobe hate on this board.Im on idle mode right now
lol @ ChrisRichards troll
stole my thread and trying to pass it off as if he was me
idiot
It's not
ChrisRichards is a Laker troll, who is riding my . Laker fans are using Spurs NBA forum as a trolling ground
dont make up stories jamstone
go yourself bandwagoner, i dont need your here asshole.
yeah, im the ChrisRichards troll using my own usernamegood grief you're delusional.
You're a troll because you tried to say you were me, asshole
and you are a Laker fan in disguise. It's clear you are no heat fan.
You say you hate me so much, but here you are, wasting your time trolling me.
Jokes on you
First off, who's the best supporting player that LeBron has ever had? A guy name Mo Williams, who can shoot when he's open and score a few buckets. He now has a washed up Shaq past his prime, but even that may be enough to win a le.
Who has Kobe had?
Shaq, in his prime. He now has Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum, the best front court in the league. He also has Lamar Odom, and many veterans such as Derek Fisher.
Wasn't that pretty obvious though?
Yes, but his actually admitting it, or rather mistakenly let it be known, is something new, right?
I don't have any other accounts, asshat. Why would I post the same thing twice, on two different accounts?
Since when the am I ever scared to say anything that I would need a troll account?
Dumb Laker fans are dumb.
ChrisRichards = a laker fan troll trying to pass off as me
They like me a lot, even though they say they hate me. That's because they are attention deprived in real life, so they follow me around because I actually respond to the kobe threads.
I already told you it's not me, but you ignored me and now talking to the Laker fans
so I am taking it you are trolling too
Everybody already knew. He was trying to say it wasn't him. I don't think anyone bought it.
Because your computer froze and you logged on as your other account by mistake.
It would have made more sense had you allowed ChrisRichards to continue to pretend that he was in fact trying to troll you. However, instead you went another route and had ChrisRichards deny what he said as well and edit his post after the fact. Good thing I quoted it. It makes less sense that both of you deny it now and you have MiamiHeat make up the story that he's trying to troll you.
Son, pick up your troll game.
Jammie is right.
The fact that he and Chris Richards are "arguing" is a classic defense mechanism.
whatever, I'm not gonna feed your stupid game.
ChrisRichards really is a Laker fan troll, who is obsessed with me
your game won't work on me. i'm not replying anymore to this thread.
Hop off his nuts real quick.
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