I resigned from my job at the mall [Archive] - Page 2

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:08 PM

please explain. you mean the literalist christian?

I'm not sure what you mean by literalist Christian.

I'm talking about most of the Christian faiths that I have come across.

:lol sorry man.

that's like saying i'm not interested in eating healthy or exercising.

my goal is to lose weight.

no it's not like saying that.

okay. i don't know. maybe they can, maybe they can't. i think it could be possible for someone who has committed the act of murder to repent. i mean truly repent, and give their lives to Christ. but people are very flippant about what 'give your life to Christ' means. and whether that is possible when involuntarily incarcerated is a whole nuther question.

why wouldn't it be possible to give your life when being involuntarily incarcerated?

what would be the difference between that and given a diagnosis of a terminal disease?

can the person with the terminal disease not truly repent either?

Dr. Gonzo

03-10-2010, 12:09 PM

I believe angel_luv is a fantastic troll. Only she can rile up the club like this.

:tu excellent work

MannyIsGod

03-10-2010, 12:11 PM

I meant to put i'm sure she's NOT trying to gold dig.

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:13 PM

Ploto, that is enough!

Given that 95% of your and my discussions have been Rasho or Raptors related, I find it surprising that you presume you have so much inside knowledge into Bo's and my decision making process.

You do not know what you are talking about.

Assume away- but make no mistake, that is all you are doing.

I would like to be on good terms with you but if we cannot communicate honestly then there really is no point.

whoa.

If you don't like it AL, don't put it out there for people to dissect and then give their opinions.

On top of that, if you are really that confident in yourself and how you are living your life then you should really not care what some poster on a message board says about you.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 12:18 PM

I don't think she's a bad person at all, and I'm sure she's try to gold dig Bo so she can sit at home and eat bon bons, BUT I LOLed when Bo said that he was the one who brought up marriage etc etc. .

It really is the truth! :lol

Originally, I wanted to get married on October 10, 2010.

But Bo insisted that we get married sooner so frequently and passionately that he convinced me marry him on October 10, 2009. And even after I made that concession, I STILL received e-mails from Bo where he is ruefully counting down the oh so many days till our wedding date.

I have never once had to wonder if Bo really wanted to marry me. That is one of the many things I appreciate about Bo. :)

Dr. Gonzo

03-10-2010, 12:19 PM

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:20 PM

Ploto, I will admit that the tone of your posts to me in the past few months has both stung and suprised me. I considered you and I to be friends of sorts- in the regard that we have corresponded so much about the Raptors.
But to me the language of your posts gives no indication that you find me tolerable, much less likeable.

I am sure that were I to set my hurt feelings aside, I would find wisdom to be gained from your posts. That has been very difficult for me to do so far, but I plan to keep a better perspective in the future.

I think ploto is just giving an honest opinion based on what you have posted.

I don't see anything malicious.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 12:24 PM

whoa.

If you don't like it AL, don't put it out there for people to dissect and then give their opinions.

On top of that, if you are really that confident in yourself and how you are living your life then you should really not care what some poster on a message board says about you.

I don't mind people having their say. I am not afraid to live honestly before people as I search and seek, try and fail, and find my way. I know that consequences of putting myself out there and they are ones I can live with.

I just view comments from you, for example, and Ploto differently.

You have never indicated to me that we are friends. You are all around consistent in your behavior towards me. I appreciate that about you, even when I disagree with your opinion.

With Ploto, she and I have had very cordial discussions concerning the Raptors and those led me to view her as a friend.
And I would not speak to a friend as harshly as I feel Ploto has often addressed me in recent threads.
So, though perhaps I erred by mis-catergorizing Ploto's and my correspondence as a friendship, I was nevertheless disappointed to have to acknowledge that my friend, really is not one.

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:27 PM

I'm sure she doesn't really care about what these people are saying. imho, she just enjoys sharing her life with the spurstalk community. I don't think she is here trying to get justification of her decision from random strangers.

I am sure that were I to set my hurt feelings aside.....

I dunno..

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:30 PM

I don't mind people having their say. I am not afraid to live honestly before people as I search and seek, try and fail, and find my way. I know that consequences of putting myself out there and they are ones I can live with.

I just view comments from you, for example, and Ploto differently.

You have never indicated to me that we are friends. You are all around consistent in your behavior towards me. I appreciate that about you, even when I disagree with your opinion.

With Ploto, she and I have had very cordial discussions concerning the Raptors and those led me to view her as a friend.
And I would not speak to a friend as harshly as I feel Ploto has often addressed me in recent threads.
So, though perhaps I erred by mis-catergorizing Ploto's and my correspondence as a friendship, I was nevertheless disappointed to have to acknowledge that my friend, really is not one.

Blake 12:23

sometimes the true friends art the ones that giveth you their honest opinions about you instead of whateth you wanteth to heareth.

SpursWoman

03-10-2010, 12:32 PM

I think Bo and Veronica are good people even though they strike me as bat shit crazy. Then again most of the world strikes me as bat shit crazy and at least I can count on them to procreate the child stars of Jesus Camp 2: The 2nd generation which will provide me with some good entertainment.

:tu :lol

clambake

03-10-2010, 12:32 PM

how can she honestly say that they, together, came to these decisions when she fully admitted to being the one that dominates them all?

SpursWoman

03-10-2010, 12:33 PM

It really is the truth! :lol

Originally, I wanted to get married on October 10, 2010.

But Bo insisted that we get married sooner so frequently and passionately that he convinced me marry him on October 10, 2009. And even after I made that concession, I STILL received e-mails from Bo where he is ruefully counting down the oh so many days till our wedding date.

I have never once had to wonder if Bo really wanted to marry me. That is one of the many things I appreciate about Bo. :)

I wouldn't put that pedestal too high ....

we all do what we gotta do for sex

True, true. :lol :lol

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 12:35 PM

No, you guys are right.

I do care what Ploto thinks. I am not sure why, other than I really did think we were friends and I am not used to friends speaking to me the way she has.

Maybe I was somewhat over-sensitive.

clambake

03-10-2010, 12:39 PM

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 12:40 PM

Blake 12:23

sometimes the true friends art the ones that giveth you their honest opinions about you instead of whateth you wanteth to heareth.

Yes, I agree a friend should be honest with you.

But I think a friend has an equal responsibility to help you better understand yourself by asking you questions that get you talking and problem solving, instead of making snide remarks that make you feel ashamed or unworthy or stupid.

Also a true friend knows that no one is ever always on the top of their game and does not repeatedly kick you when you are down.

A friend might also recognize and appreciate how I am trying to find my way in life and give me a chance to succeed rather than assume I am going to fail.

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:40 PM

MannyIsGod

03-10-2010, 12:42 PM

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 12:46 PM

I've come to appreciate Ploto's posts over the past few years and I find myself agreeing with her more than not. I can't speak to whether or not you two are friends as I've never been privy to your private conversation but I don't think Ploto wishes you ill will or to piss you off with any of her posts.

I think that Ploto - like most on here - have trouble with looking at things with your point of view because quite frankly your point of view is incredibly different than most other people. So when you say some of the things you do, the first reaction many people have is "Uh, what?". So just think of those posts as Ploto saying "Uh, what?" in her own way.

I just know that when most of you " Uh, what?" me, I do not walk away from the conversation self-doubting and/ or feeling compelled to be ashamed of myself.

I know my views are radically different than yours. But on the same token, your views are radically different than mine.

I truly hope I have never made anyone feel worthless or useless because the decisions they make are not the ones I make.

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:46 PM

Yes, I agree a friend should be honest with you.

But I think a friend has an equal responsibility to help you better understand yourself by asking you questions that get you talking and problem solving, instead of making snide remarks that make you feel ashamed or unworthy or stupid.

If that's how remarks make you feel, then that's on you.

Also a true friend knows that no one is ever on the top of their game and does not repeatedly kick you when you are down.

eh, I guess I would define that person as a coach.

A friend might also recognize and appreciate how I am trying to find my way in life and give me a chance to succeed rather than assume I am going to fail.

A friend might also tell you that he/she thinks you are driving off a cliff.

If you feel that you aren't, then say "thanks for the advice friend, duly noted".

It seems hard, but it's really pretty simple.

Blake

03-10-2010, 12:48 PM

I just know that when most of you " Uh, what?" me, I do not walk away from the conversation self-doubting and/ or feeling compelled to be ashamed of myself.

why are you self-doubting?

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 12:49 PM

A friend might also tell you that he/she thinks you are driving off a cliff.

If you feel that you aren't, then say "thanks for the advice friend, duly noted".

It seems hard, but it's really pretty simple.

While I appreciate your concern, I think it is for each individual to decide for themselves what is fulfilling for them.
I believe this was a good move for me- granted only time will tell. I pray a lot about the decisions I make and trust God to lead me, as He always does.

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 12:52 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by literalist Christian.

I'm talking about most of the Christian faiths that I have come across.

a literalist Christian is a professed Christian whom interprets the bible literally 100%.

no it's not like saying that.

you want an answer that you have to earn handed to you on a silver platter.

why wouldn't it be possible to give your life when being involuntarily incarcerated?

what would be the difference between that and given a diagnosis of a terminal disease?

can the person with the terminal disease not truly repent either?

i didn't say it's not possible...i said i didn't know, but i seems to me that it's easy to make a choice when it's the only one you got. is it really a choice at that point? i can profess to be Mr. Charitable 2010, but what does that mean if i'm broke?

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 01:02 PM

I truly hope I have never made anyone feel worthless or useless because the decisions they make are not the ones I make.

worthless and useless are point of views dependent on the beholder.

God, Jesus, spiritual enlightenment are meaningless to some.

Material objects are meaningless to others.

are people really thinking you're gonna lets you kids go hungry from quitting a job at the mall?

or are they thinking, just don't come crying to us when you can't afford that big house, new car, etc, etc.

Cuz that what this really comes down to. Material vs. Spiritual.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 01:05 PM

why are you self-doubting?

Because I want to much to do the right thing and I have seriously wrestled over this decision. And I do recognize the ways that this move can be rightly categorized as risky.

I have been through a lot this past year. I have had to deal with a lot of situations that taxed me greatly emotionally and physically, though I won't bore you with the details.

I have done the very best to handle everything that has been thrown at me.

And I am very hopeful that now that some of the outer storms have subsided that Bo and I can begin to in earnest build the home and life that we desire to have together.

Ploto seems to make the assumption that my life is always sunshine and roses.
I have a lot to be grateful for and I choose to always be an eternal optimist.
But I have had to look past my share of dark clouds in order to find the silver lining.

And if Ploto had taken the time to get to know me, she would know that it was not an easy thing for me to quit my job. Even though I do not like the job, I love that twice a month money is flowing into my bank account. That has always given me a sense of security and of all the aspects of life I value, security is way up there on this list.

In quitting my job, I am having to reliquish control ( i.e. my paycheck, my security blanket) and trust Bo to provide financially. If I want spending money from now on, I will have to ask Bo for it. I won't have "my" money anymore.
That reality is not an easy one for a girl who is accustomed to take care of herself.

Bo and I jointly decided I would leave the mall job because having two jobs was not profitable to Bo's and my relationship. Bo and I have rejected what does not work for us and are taking great strides at disovering what does.
We ought to be commended for that, I think.

clambake

03-10-2010, 01:09 PM

but you told him that it wasn't working.

jcrod

03-10-2010, 01:10 PM

Believe what you want to believe. To each their own. But, if I get to the end of life, and I'm wrong about everything I believe. That Christianity is a big sham, and a huge lie - well, I've still lived a pretty good life, tried to do things the moral, right way - so I'm not out a whole lot. But, if you get to the end of your life and you're wrong about everything, you're in a heap of trouble.

:tu

I've said this many times, you can't go wrong.

mavs>spurs2

03-10-2010, 01:12 PM

Blake 12:23

sometimes the true friends art the ones that giveth you their honest opinions about you instead of whateth you wanteth to heareth.

mavs>spurs 3:16 says you're a faggot

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:22 PM

While I appreciate your concern, I think it is for each individual to decide for themselves what is fulfilling for them.
I believe this was a good move for me- granted only time will tell. I pray a lot about the decisions I make and trust God to lead me, as He always does.

I am sure that were I to set my hurt feelings aside.....

tlongII

03-10-2010, 01:27 PM

Strange thread. I don't understand most of the posts in here.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 01:30 PM

Yes Blake.

It did hurt my feelings that Ploto persisted in ripping me apart with her posts after I had made my decision known and she had already stated her stance on it.

I stated my decision. I read and responded to her comments.

I have yet to fail as a stay-mostly-at- home wife so why all the smugness? And if you have kind intent... why be smug at all. Some of her comments were downright mean.
And no one with any self respect would sit by and believe they deserved said cruel comments.
That is why after 8/9 pages of patiently waiting for Ploto to cease, I felt compelled to acknowledge that " Yes Ploto, I have noted all your post" and
" You do not know what you are talking about."

But I am grateful to Ploto because thanks to her, I remembered that I have a well functioning backbone.

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:31 PM

a literalist Christian is a professed Christian whom interprets the bible literally 100%.

literalist Christians, sure.

but even Christians that don't take the bible literally 100% still believe in the notion of salvation through faith.

you want an answer that you have to earn handed to you on a silver platter.

huh?

who says you have to earn salvation? you?

i didn't say it's not possible...i said i didn't know, but i seems to me that it's easy to make a choice when it's the only one you got. is it really a choice at that point? i can profess to be Mr. Charitable 2010, but what does that mean if i'm broke?

I agree, but you are getting off track or missing my original point.

I have said before that Christians I have known over the years and talked to believe that salvation is still possible even at the last minute before execution on death row.

I'd like to know what the justification is that a murderer on death row still can have last minute access to Heaven while people doing what most of us would agree on as "good works" their whole life still can go to hell if they are non-believers.

clambake

03-10-2010, 01:33 PM

hey, don't sweat it. you're not the first girl to manipulate her man.

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:35 PM

Yes Blake.

It did hurt my feelings that Ploto persisted in ripping me apart with her posts after I had made my decision known and she had already stated her stance on it.

I stated my decision. I read and responded to her comments.

I have yet to fail as a stay-mostly-at- home wife so why all the smugness? And if you have kind intent... why be smug at all. Some of her comments were downright mean.
And no one with any self respect would sit by and believe they deserved said cruel comments.
That is why after 8/9 pages of patiently waiting for Ploto to cease, I felt compelled to acknowledge that " Yes Ploto, I have noted all your post" and
" You do not know what you are talking about."

why do you feel that your friends need to tell you everything in what you feel should be a nice manner.

sometimes a good friend will tell you to get your stupid head out of your fucking ass.

I remembered that I have a well functioning backbone.

are you sure about that?

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:40 PM

mavs>spurs 3:16 says you're a faggot

'why was rogue banned' thread says you got pwned and humiliated.

blake 12:24 says you are still crying about it

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:43 PM

Cuz that what this really comes down to. Material vs. Spiritual.

Joel Osteen says God wants you to have both.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 01:44 PM

are you sure about that?

Yes, I am quite positive! :)

Tom Slick

03-10-2010, 01:44 PM

'why was rogue banned' thread says you got pwned and humiliated.

blake 12:24 says you are still crying about it

The fuck he did. You're just mad because you and that other faggot lakaluva kept trying to get his attention and all you got was "talk to the hand." :loser

:lmao

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:45 PM

We ought to be commended for that, I think.

by who?

symple19

03-10-2010, 01:46 PM

Joel Osteen says God wants you to have both.

Joel Osteen is another in a long line of scumbags profiteering off the backs of sheep

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 01:49 PM

You're so right. You're supposed to be the leading lady of your own life.

I don't know, but I think what I've got is something slightly resembling... GUMPTION!

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:50 PM

The fuck he did. You're just mad because you and that other faggot lakaluva kept trying to get his attention and all you got was "talk to the hand." :loser

:lmao

Na, I don't get mad and I don't try to get anyone's attention. If I was mad and I wanted attention I would probably spam profile pages like m>s has done on an a stalking like regular basis.

you jumping in here defending m>s internets honor is hilarious though.

:lmao

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 01:50 PM

by who?

By anyone who truly cares about us.

Good catch, Blake.

I should have said: We will be commended for that by anyone who truly cares about us.

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:51 PM

Yes, I am quite positive! :)

Your feelings seemed pretty hurt to me.

Tom Slick

03-10-2010, 01:52 PM

Na, I don't get mad and I don't try to get anyone's attention. If I was mad and I wanted attention I would probably spam profile pages like m>s has done on an a stalking like regular basis.

you jumping in here defending m>s internets honor is hilarious though.

:lmao

:loser

m>s last post on your userpage was months ago tbh, time to suck it up and get over it IMHO

Kori Ellis

03-10-2010, 01:53 PM

I have yet to fail as a stay-mostly-at- home wife so why all the smugness?

This is what I don't really understand from the whole thread. Not just from ploto but from others too. (Though I know you were more hurt but Ploto's comments, since you thought you were friends.)

I don't get why deciding to work part-time in order to concentrate on your relationship/family is a bad thing.

And though I don't completely agree with Bo's decision to quit school, if he can/wants to support his wife while she takes care of the home, then I don't get why people think that's so horrible.

It's like no one has ever heard of the wife being a homemaker and the man being the breadwinner. Not every husband in that situation will end up resentful and not every wife will end up lazy.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 01:55 PM

Kori- you and L.J. have both always been so kind to and supportive of me. I greatly appreciate you both. Thank you.

Blake

03-10-2010, 01:55 PM

By anyone who truly cares about us.

Good catch, Blake.

I should have said: We will be commended for that by anyone who truly cares about us.

my opinion is that people that really care about you will give you an honest opinion over commending you for what they feel to be foolish actions.

maybe you spending the much time self doubting and discussing this situation is God's way of telling you to think again.

clambake

03-10-2010, 01:58 PM

any real pursuit of acting roles will take more time away from bo and your other job.

Tom Slick

03-10-2010, 01:58 PM

my opinion is that people that really care about you will give you an honest opinion over commending you for what they feel to be foolish actions.

maybe you spending the much time self doubting and discussing this situation is God's way of telling you to think again.

Quit speaking for God and let angel live her own life, tbh.

Blake http://able2know.org/static/images/emoticons/icon_notequal.gif God IMHO

God > Blake tbh

Blake

03-10-2010, 02:02 PM

:loser

m>s last post on your userpage was months ago tbh, time to suck it up and get over it IMHO

since you aren't one of the last 10 visitors to my profile page, and seem to keep track of m>s 's posts, I'm guessing you are just m>s trolling as Tom Slick

There was nothing for me to get over to begin with. m>s spamming my profile page and getting absolutely torched by timvp was extremly high on my entertainment scale.

I'd say you are still butthurt over it. Maybe it's time for you to suck it up and get over it.........although I hope you don't.

:loser

Tom Slick

03-10-2010, 02:04 PM

since you aren't one of the last 10 visitors to my profile page, and seem to keep track of m>s 's posts, I'm guessing you are just m>s trolling as Tom Slick

There was nothing for me to get over to begin with. m>s spamming my profile page and getting absolutely torched by timvp was extremly high on my entertainment scale.

I'd say you are still butthurt over it. Maybe it's time for you to suck it up and get over it.........although I hope you don't.

:loser

not m>s tbh

all of m>s trolls got deleted IMHO

m>s is right though, you're a faggot

Blake

03-10-2010, 02:05 PM

Quit speaking for God and let angel live her own life, tbh.

Blake http://able2know.org/static/images/emoticons/icon_notequal.gif God IMHO

God > Blake tbh

Quit speaking for m>s and let him fail in his own e-life, tbh.

Dog > m>s tbh

Tom Slick

03-10-2010, 02:08 PM

Quit speaking for m>s and let him fail in his own e-life, tbh.

Dog > m>s tbh

dance puppet, dance muahahahaha

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 02:13 PM

my opinion is that people that really care about you will give you an honest opinion over commending you for what they feel to be foolish actions.

I get what you are saying.

maybe you spending the much time self doubting and discussing this situation is God's way of telling you to think again.

I do not spend so much time self doubting, though like anyone I do have moments where I second guess myself.

I think that some reservation/ self doubt is to be expect anytime one makes a significant change- assuming one is a thinking individual.

I don't know for certain how this move will pan out in my life- so the aspect of the unknown makes a little nervous. And nerves, if I give in to them could cause me to cling to the known.

But hasn't it been said, "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." ?

Since Bo and I know that my current working situations has not been profitable to us, wouldn't the most foolish option of all be to stick with it?
If the current way is not working then the only way to find something that does work is to try something new.

Bo and I had the courage of conviction to decide absolutely ( after numerous discussions in which our ultimate goal never varied) to resign from my job.

I had the follow through to sleep on our final decision and get up the next morning and verify with Bo that he still felt good about it.

I had the discipline to research how to compose a proper letter of resignation and to sit down and write out. Bo printed out the letter for me.

I took the initiative to call my boss and make an appointment with her to inform her of my decision. Bo was there when I made the call and allowed me to debrief with him once I hung up.

I kept that appointment with my boss, gave her my resignation letter, and here I am, finishing up my last 12 days of work at the mall.

Bo and I are following through on the plan and budget we set for ourselves and thus far are both greatly pleased with our results.

So far, things are working out and I pray the trend continues. I expect it will.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 02:23 PM

any real pursuit of acting roles will take more time away from bo and your other job.

I had said I wanted to do work this summer as an Extra.

The Spurs are not in session in the summer.

The last time I worked as an Extra we shot in Austin around 6 am and I was all done and $75 richer by noon that same day.

clambake

03-10-2010, 02:26 PM

you would drive to and from austin for 6 hours and $75?

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 02:38 PM

you would drive to and from austin for 6 hours and $75?

As any occasional adventure/ hobby- Sure!

At worst I would break even from the outing. I would probably actually profit some.

I would much rather do that than go shopping at the mall or go get my nails done.

I did not anticipate getting called up to go to Austin every day or even every month.
All I am saying is that if I got called up for a day or two a month, it will be nice to know that if I want to take the role, I can.
Until now, I have had NO flexibility in my schedule to be able to do something like that.

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 03:01 PM

literalist Christians, sure.

but even Christians that don't take the bible literally 100% still believe in the notion of salvation through faith.

:tu
yes, but again, lets not be flippant about 'through faith'. you don't just flip a switch and say, okay, i believe now, where's my ticket to heaven.

huh?

who says you have to earn salvation? you?

it's the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk.

I agree, but you are getting off track or missing my original point.

I have said before that Christians I have known over the years and talked to believe that salvation is still possible even at the last minute before execution on death row.

I'd like to know what the justification is that a murderer on death row still can have last minute access to Heaven while people doing what most of us would agree on as "good works" their whole life still can go to hell if they are non-believers.

well i don't know how they can believe that. salvation is a personal thing. but if one does not have the opportunity to walk the walk, then it rings hollow from my point of view. admittedly, i can't speak to it much either since i am not in the shoes or mind of a death row inmate at the present time.

Jimcs50

03-10-2010, 03:10 PM

March 26 is my last day. :toast

This is a change I have wanted to make for a long time. And I am so thrilled and grateful that my time has finally come. :D

I thought you moved

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 03:11 PM

Joel Osteen says God wants you to have both.

i don't know about that. i can't judge him though.

but we are very lucky to live in a country where we get to choose our paths based upon what we value most.

Blake

03-10-2010, 03:16 PM

dance puppet, dance muahahahaha

:lol

no wonder you think m>s is a winner.

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 03:16 PM

my opinion is that people that really care about you will give you an honest opinion over commending you for what they feel to be foolish actions.

well if they really care, then they might take the time to try to see it from the other's point of view before passing judgement on whether they think the actions are foolish or not.

Blake

03-10-2010, 03:19 PM

I do not spend so much time self doubting, though like anyone I do have moments where I second guess myself.

I think that some reservation/ self doubt is to be expect anytime one makes a significant change- assuming one is a thinking individual.

so if God clearly told you to quit, then why do you have any self doubt at all?

I wouldn't think self doubt is to be expected if God's message was clear.

Blake

03-10-2010, 03:21 PM

well if they really care, then they might take the time to try to see it from the other's point of view before passing judgement on whether they think the actions are foolish or not.

so after they take the time to try to see it from the other's pov, is it then ok to pass judgement?

Blake

03-10-2010, 03:26 PM

:tu
yes, but again, lets not be flippant about 'through faith'. you don't just flip a switch and say, okay, i believe now, where's my ticket to heaven.

who says that you don't just flip a switch? you or the Bible?

it's the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk.

The Bible says salvation is a free gift of God.

well i don't know how they can believe that. salvation is a personal thing. but if one does not have the opportunity to walk the walk, then it rings hollow from my point of view. admittedly, i can't speak to it much either since i am not in the shoes or mind of a death row inmate at the present time.

how much time does one have left to live before you consider it an opportunity to walk the walk?

Tom Slick

03-10-2010, 03:29 PM

:lol

no wonder you think m>s is a winner.

i see cocky tough guys like you, and i slap the shit outta em!

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 03:34 PM

so after they take the time to try to see it from the other's pov, is it then ok to pass judgement?

is it better to give and informed opinion than an ignorant one?

yes.

CosmicCowboy

03-10-2010, 03:35 PM

:lol

I can't believe this thread has gone 13 pages.

Blake

03-10-2010, 03:37 PM

i see cocky tough guys like you, and i slap the shit outta em!

cool story, bra :tu

Blake

03-10-2010, 03:39 PM

is it better to give and informed opinion than an ignorant one?

yes.

sure.

does that make someone less of a friend if the heart is in the right place, but the opinion is ignorant?

I don't think so. I think it just makes the friend ignorant.

DisAsTerBot

03-10-2010, 03:45 PM

i see cocky tough guys like you, and i slap the shit outta em!

becoming the very thing you hate?

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 03:46 PM

who says that you don't just flip a switch? you or the Bible?

i'm not good at quoting the bible. because i don't believe everything in that book is the definitive word of God.

but that's cool. cuz i don't believe in a book. i believe in a higher power.

i believe Jesus was one that knew the way.

The Bible says salvation is a free gift of God.

If they give bread away at the store, but you are not in line, you think it's gonna get delivered? You reap what you sow.

how much time does one have left to live before you consider it an opportunity to walk the walk?

that is not for me to decide. i don't know. but i would think that one that has strayed from the path of good so dramatically, i.e. the hypothetical murderer on death row, would have a longer journey.

here, i found this and it seems applicable.

Galatians 6:7
7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 03:51 PM

I thought you moved

I have moved a few times but always stayed in the same area of town.

I moved in the summer of '08 when my current landlady was no longer desirious to keep boarders.

Then I moved again this past August when Bo and I got married. I had been sharing a duplex with a friend.

angel_luv

03-10-2010, 03:53 PM

so if God clearly told you to quit, then why do you have any self doubt at all?

I wouldn't think self doubt is to be expected if God's message was clear.

There is nothing wrong with God or His Message. The issue is that my faith is not perfect and so that is how doubt comes into play.

Blake

03-10-2010, 04:20 PM

i'm not good at quoting the bible. because i don't believe everything in that book is the definitive word of God.

but that's cool. cuz i don't believe in a book. i believe in a higher power.

i believe Jesus was one that knew the way.

That's cool.

Jesus stated in the book that you don't believe in that salvation is a gift.

If they give bread away at the store, but you are not in line, you think it's gonna get delivered? You reap what you sow.

Common sense says that's the case.

Christianity does not.

that is not for me to decide. i don't know. but i would think that one that has strayed from the path of good so dramatically, i.e. the hypothetical murderer on death row, would have a longer journey.

Common sense says that's the case.

Christianity does not.

here, i found this and it seems applicable.

Galatians 6:7
7 Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

I found applicable verses for you too:

John 4:10
Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

John 4:37-38

“For in this case the saying is true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ “I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored and you have entered into their labor.”

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 04:23 PM

sure.

does that make someone less of a friend if the heart is in the right place, but the opinion is ignorant?

I don't think so. I think it just makes the friend ignorant.

i agree with you, and "if the heart is in the right place" being the key.

with regard to this thread,
i don't know if ploto's heart ever entered the equation.

she was simply giving her opinion on the sad state of affairs of the women that she knows in their 20s, and how it relates to Angel's decision to quit a mall job. she also stated she doesn't give a damn about Angel or her decisions, but from her point of view Angel's decisions gave substance to her argument.

we now see that wasn't exactly the case.

Blake

03-10-2010, 04:34 PM

There is nothing wrong with God or His Message. The issue is that my faith is not perfect and so that is how doubt comes into play.

In my opinion, an omniscient God knows our limitations as humans.

If he cared enough to send a message, he would make it crystal clear as to what the message is and who it is coming from to leave zero room for doubt, especially for imperfect humans.

I don't think Moses in Genesis had any doubt as to the message coming from the burning bush.

I might agree with Jim Gaffigan that real life Moses may have been burning some bush of his own.

Blake

03-10-2010, 04:37 PM

i agree with you, and "if the heart is in the right place" being the key.

with regard to this thread,
i don't know if ploto's heart ever entered the equation.

she was simply giving her opinion on the sad state of affairs of the women that she knows in their 20s, and how it relates to Angel's decision to quit a mall job. she also stated she doesn't give a damn about Angel or her decisions, but from her point of view Angel's decisions gave substance to her argument.

we now see that wasn't exactly the case.

I'm not sure what your point is any more.

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 04:55 PM

That's cool.

Jesus stated in the book that you don't believe in that salvation is a gift.

okay, agreed again. a gift that is there for the taking.
but again, it's not a free pizza.

Common sense says that's the case.

Christianity does not.

well i'm just a commoner in search of a true path with no predispositions other than that i believe Jesus knew the way.

I found applicable verses for you too:

Originally Posted by Jesus

John 4:10
Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

John 4:37-38

“For in this case the saying is true, ‘One sows and another reaps.’ “I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored and you have entered into their labor.”

that's the beauty of these words of wisdom in my opinion.
they are open for the interpretation of the reader.

IF she knew the gift of God.
we can all decide what it means to truly KNOW the gift.

as for the second passage, my interpretation is that he is saying others have made the bread ready for you. you didn't make it, but it's there for you. want some? come and get it.

and by bread i mean enlightenment/salvation.

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 04:57 PM

I'm not sure what your point is any more.

:lol

to discuss varying points of view. nothing more.

CuckingFunt

03-10-2010, 05:08 PM

This thread delivers.

Manny posted this several pages ago and no one turned it into a punny pizza joke?

You've let me down, SpursTalk.

Blake

03-10-2010, 05:12 PM

okay, agreed again. a gift that is there for the taking.
but again, it's not a free pizza.

according to you it's not.

according to Christians, it is a free gift.

well i'm just a commoner in search of a true path with no predispositions other than that i believe Jesus knew the way.

again, interesting that you believe in Jesus and he knew the way, but don't believe in the books that discussed how he knew the way.

that's the beauty of these words of wisdom in my opinion.
they are open for the interpretation of the reader.

that's what absolutely sucks about the Bible in my opinion. If it is truly God's word, then it really shouldn't be open for interpretation.

as for the second passage, my interpretation is that he is saying others have made the bread ready for you. you didn't make it, but it's there for you. want some? come and get it.

and by bread i mean enlightenment/salvation.

yes, the free gift is there for the taking, but ftr, enlightenment =/= salvation.

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 05:42 PM

again, interesting that you believe in Jesus and he knew the way, but don't believe in the books that discussed how he knew the way.

that's what absolutely sucks about the Bible in my opinion. If it is truly God's word, then it really shouldn't be open for interpretation.

the book is from the hands of men. and it's translated. at least the one i study is. so one must be discerning. i didn't say that i don't believe in the wisdom of the teachings of Christ as written. i said that i do not blindly follow all the words of the bible as sacred. it's a big book.

that's what absolutely sucks about the Bible in my opinion. If it is truly God's word, then it really shouldn't be open for interpretation.

yes, the free gift is there for the taking, but ftr, enlightenment =/= salvation.

depends what kind of enlightenment you are speaking of. but i see your point. regarding interpretation, Jesus speaks many times about those that have ears, let them hear. many of his teachings are in parable form.

again, it's all based upon point of view of the reader.

“And He said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand” (Luke 8:10).

Blake

03-10-2010, 06:08 PM

the book is from the hands of men. and it's translated. at least the one i study is. so one must be discerning. i didn't say that i don't believe in the wisdom of the teachings of Christ as written. i said that i do not blindly follow all the words of the bible as sacred. it's a big book.

Interesting.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Do you believe everything Jesus said, or do you think he just had some good lessons.

“And He said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand” (Luke 8:10).

that verse was written by a man

bigzak25

03-10-2010, 06:20 PM

Interesting.

Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Do you believe everything Jesus said, or do you think he just had some good lessons.

i believe that the words that Jesus spoke were 100% true. that is my faith.

but i don't believe i'm at a level where i can fully understand his teachings,
nor be 100% accurate with my discernments of their presentation.

that sure is something wonderful to strive for though, imo.

that verse was written by a man

true.

z0sa

03-10-2010, 06:47 PM

This thread is a great reminder of why posting personal information where billions can access it is just not smart.

Bukefal

03-10-2010, 06:58 PM

I dont want to join your discussion and all. But what I dont get is, why the hell are you two throwing your personal/private life and matters out in the open on a freakin forum? And afterwards wondering why people say some things you dont like and being shocked of peoples responses and them not knowing how you are. It's a matter which means much to you and shit to others. :bang

:toast

Strange thread. I don't understand most of the posts in here.

:lol

I can't believe this thread has gone 13 pages.

Yeah, 13 pages for nothing! And it's a private matter

I cant understand why you are exposing such personal matters like this on the internet. And then wondering why people say some things you dont like and then get emotional because of it. I mean come on, it's a forum!! And of all the forums, it's spurstalk! Don't find it strange when members on here dont give a shit, and dont find it strange when members on here say some things you dont like. You could have known that. That's why I dont get, that you share this with everyone.

Many wouldnt even share these personal matter with their friends, except best friends, or with most of their relatives. Let alone with some strangers on a forum, who you know will react differently.

xXx

03-10-2010, 09:15 PM

Yeah, 13 pages for nothing! And it's a private matter

I cant understand why you are exposing such personal matters like this on the internet. And then wondering why people say some things you dont like and then get emotional because of it. I mean come on, it's a forum!! And of all the forums, it's spurstalk! Don't find it strange when members on here dont give a shit, and dont find it strange when members on here say some things you dont like. You could have known that. That's why I dont get, that you share this with everyone.

Many wouldnt even share these personal matter with their friends, except best friends, or with most of their relatives. Let alone with some strangers on a forum, who you know will react differently.

it seems angel didn't give a crap about anyone's judgmental reaction except for ploto's of whom she expected different.

i am glad that you like to keep private matters private. but it's not a case of the herps, it's just quitting a fucking mall job for christ's sakes.

welcome to spurstalk. you keep it boring, we'll do the rest.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-10-2010, 09:57 PM

I guess it was smart of Andrea Yates to kill her 5 kids since Jesus told her to.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-10-2010, 10:01 PM

Yeah well, God also told Ron and Dan Lafferty to disembowel a mother and her baby child with a 13 inch bowie knife.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven#Murders

So forgive me for being skeptical when entitled weirdo zealots proclaim/brag they're having an ongoing and tangible conversation with God (and by extension, that everyone else, isn't).

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao:lmao

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-10-2010, 10:13 PM

This thread and someone of the nutjob bible thumping things said have made me lose just a little more faith in mankind.

Nbadan

03-10-2010, 10:15 PM

I'd be pissed if God told me to drop out of school to manage an Express Lube.

Pissed.

No offense, but that's some funny shit.....

dirk4mvp

03-10-2010, 10:21 PM

bra

bra

Brah has a 'h' in it tbh. Act accordingly.

Greg Oden

03-10-2010, 10:23 PM

It really is pretty simple:

Boy meet girl.
Girl wants to get married even though boy is in college.
Boy takes semester off to make wife happy since they just got married.
Buy quits college to work more.
Wife quits job.

Given that Angel is the one who "guided" Bo to his faith, he listens to her and believes what she tells him to do. Something tells me it is not so much the voice of God as it the voice of a wife getting what she wants.

It is easy to find ways to support whatever it is that you want. You can find Scripture; you can find writings; you can fnd movies; or anything else to tell you that you should do whatever it is that you want to do.

You can even assure yourself that quitting your job was the right thing because you made a meatloaf.

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

holy mother of trailblazer's big men. I haven't seen this big of a one man army bukkake since the prime days of pussyface tbh.

rack

the

muthafuckin

ploto

Ignignokt

03-10-2010, 10:37 PM

dang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Angel got sploaded!

but, I think Cuck and Pluta might be a little judgemental here.

If Bo dropped out of UTSA to manage and Express Lube, then that's just a lateral move.

mouse

03-10-2010, 10:49 PM

mavs>spurs2

03-10-2010, 10:58 PM

If you guys don't kiss and makeup I'm going to kick both of your asses and steal all your trolls, especially FatBeaner TBH

mouse

03-10-2010, 11:03 PM

What's there to make up? According to BigSnack we was never friends, I have been in many arguments with family and friends but i never at any time went to their house and mugged the shit out of them when they needed help the most. I know criminals on the street that would have at least left me 5 dollars and half a joint as they rob me blind.

What Bigzax did was not only inhuman it showed everyone who knows what he did his true character. That is the bigger loss in all of this. To me me my reputation is worth more than 60.00 dollars.

dirk4mvp

03-10-2010, 11:09 PM

hey mouse, I think I saw you riding your bike to a store the other day ago. I think tuesday. Was that you tbh?

exstatic

03-10-2010, 11:20 PM

This thread delivers.

No shit. a_l quits ONE of her jobs, and gets jumped by two "Christian" sisters.

Priceless.

a_l, I give you shit on here, but here's the truth: you can quit all of your jobs if you want, proclaim it to the world, and sit around and eat bon bons or make a porno if you want. Ploto is a COMPLETE BITCH, and you should disregard pretty much everything she says. Crooky ain't any better. Their little catfight was pretty classic, though.

Blake

03-10-2010, 11:28 PM

Brah has a 'h' in it tbh. Act accordingly.

regarding that troll, I like the way I spelled it better, tbh.

dirk4mvp

03-10-2010, 11:35 PM

regarding that troll, I like the way I spelled it better, tbh.

hey, whats up man!

Blake

03-10-2010, 11:49 PM

hey, whats up man!

hey, have you gone to the new Mavs forum yet?

good to hear from you man!

dirk4mvp

03-10-2010, 11:49 PM

krofl stretch

Ignignokt

03-10-2010, 11:50 PM

There's an assumption here, and it's a common one amongst Christians, that God is the only path to morality. Which is both untrue and, frankly, insulting. I am exceedingly confident in the fact that I am a good and moral person, who has lived a good and moral life, and I've managed it just fine even without God telling me not to steal or kill anyone.

Why is it offensive? You believe that morality derives from a different source. Infact you believe morality derives from your own experiences in life, i don't hear Angel Luv crying about your choice of truth and morality.

There are only a small amount of ways to look at life as far as morality. This whole interfaith stuff is bull. All these gods, systems, or philosphies telling everyone they are the source of all truth can not all be right. Either one of them is telling the truth, none of them is telling the truth, the one who is the truth hasn't revealed himself, or morality and truth is innate in the human experience.

There is a sole divine source of absolute truth or there isn't one.

Ignignokt

03-10-2010, 11:51 PM

No shit. a_l quits ONE of her jobs, and gets jumped by two "Christian" sisters.

Priceless.

a_l, I give you shit on here, but here's the truth: you can quit all of your jobs if you want, proclaim it to the world, and sit around and eat bon bons or make a porno if you want. Ploto is a COMPLETE BITCH, and you should disregard pretty much everything she says. Crooky ain't any better. Their little catfight was pretty classic, though.

mark it on the calender.

I agree with exstatic this one time.

BadOdor

03-11-2010, 02:53 AM

whottt

03-11-2010, 03:13 AM

angel seems like one of the least fucked at life people on this site. I don't care if you share her beliefs or not, they work well for her and she's happy with them. That's more than I can say for 96% of the people that attack her and her reglious beliefs. Plus she doesn't ever back down from the pileons, and she never seems as mean, nasty and downright ugly as the people attacking her come off.

The funniest part about these threads are that usually it's everyone trying to convert her to their way of seeing things rather than her trying to do that for them.

Keep on keepin' on angel :tu

You also have an excellent future as a troll should you pursue that route, you're a natural at it.

FWIW, I think work is in many ways a direct competitor and obstacle to a successful marriage. Sure it is a necessity, but when more time is spent working than spending your life with the person you married, the marriage is definitely taking a backseat. Too much work and not enough time together is definitely a negative that can leave you questioning the point of being married.

I don't see anything at all negative about quitting a second job if it can be done, it sure isn't a selfish move in and of itself. And besides, that's definitely up to the spouse, some spouses consider it a positive if their spouse doesn't work. Totally dependent upon the people involved if it is good move or not.

mouse

03-11-2010, 10:29 AM

hey mouse, I think I saw you riding your bike to a store the other day ago. I think tuesday. Was that you tbh?

holy shit! It was me!! Hey next time wave at me so I can stop by and see what you might need from the store. :tu

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 10:45 AM

Fuck, can you imagine what angel_luv's kids will go through? They will be attending Jesus camp by the time they hit 4......by the time they are 12, they will be little bible bots, believing crazy shit like "the earth is 5k years old!" and "Darwinism is a lie!". They are basically fucked at life.

Probably the same thing that happened to her. You don't come up with the crazy belief that god talks to you on your own, you were brainwashed at some point in life. She's gonna brainwash her kids just like someone brainwashed her.

The shitty thing is, these evangelical Christian families pollute the gene pool by having tons of kids and turning them all into little bible zealots.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 10:59 AM

What I don't get is why God didn't tell the people in Chile and Hatti there is an Earth quake coming but he found the time to give you career advice?

:lmao god damn there are so many great little zingers in here.

sonic21

03-11-2010, 11:07 AM

whottt

03-11-2010, 11:15 AM

A_L reminds me of one of my cousin. She has exactly the same way of thinking.

I blame 100% my aunt for brainwashing her. She isolated her in her childhood by homeschooling her for "religious reason".

I guess David Robinson's parents isolated him as well.

And just think...he runs a school...probably to isolate and brainwash children.

I hope some day I have it all figured out in a non-brainwashed isolated obviously clear, balanced and level headed way such as yourself.

sonic21

03-11-2010, 11:19 AM

I guess David Robinson's parents isolated him as well.

i didn't say homeschooling was bad. I was talking about my cousin. I'm sure drob parents are good people.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:20 AM

I blame 100% my aunt for brainwashing her. She isolated her in her childhood by homeschooling her for "religious reason".

Since your side, whichever it is, is 100% right and whatever religious reasons a person wants to teach their own kid must be wrong.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:22 AM

I guess David Robinson's parents isolated him as well.

And just think...he runs a school...probably to isolate and brainwash children.

I hope some day I have it all figured out in a non-brainwashed isolated obviously clear, balanced and level headed way such as yourself.

I don't think D-Rob is crazy enough to believe that god talks to him.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:24 AM

I don't think D-Rob is crazy enough to believe that god talks to him.

D-Rob is a hardcore Christian. You can be sure he thinks God talks to him in the same way A_L does. By random thoughts and signs.

Blake

03-11-2010, 11:25 AM

I guess David Robinson's parents isolated him as well.

they could only keep him away from Dennis Rodman for so long

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:26 AM

sonic never said all religion is wrong.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:28 AM

D-Rob is a hardcore Christian. You can be sure he thinks God talks to him in the same way A_L does. By random thoughts and signs.

Well then I lost respect for the guy. People who honestly believe god talks to them over other people are about as narcissistic as it gets.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:28 AM

sonic never said all religion is wrong.

Just that homeschooling your kid for religious reasons brainwashes them. Like A_L for example: clearly a fucked up member of society. :rolleyes

sonic21

03-11-2010, 11:29 AM

Since your side, whichever it is, is 100% right and whatever religious reasons a person wants to teach their own kid must be wrong.

I saw the results. In this specific case, i think my aunt was wrong. Didn't say homeschooling for religious reasons was a bad thing.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:31 AM

Just that homeschooling your kid for religious reasons brainwashes them. Like A_L for example: clearly a fucked up member of society. :rolleyes

I'd say people who convince themselves of crazy shit like Barrack Obama being the anti-Christ because god allegedly told them he was are fucked up members of society.

sonic21

03-11-2010, 11:31 AM

Just that homeschooling your kid for religious reasons brainwashes them. Like A_L for example: clearly a fucked up member of society. :rolleyes

Are you saying A_L was homeschooled? i didn't know that. Again i was just talking about a specific case.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:31 AM

I saw the results. In this specific case, i think my aunt was wrong.

Is it because your aunt "brainwashed" your cousin?

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:32 AM

Are you saying A_L was homeschooled? i didn't know that. Again i was just talking about a specific case.

No I'm not, just that being "brainwashed" by your standards doesn't mean much. Why can't someone choose to believe what they want, and teach others what they believe? A child grows up and sees the world through his/her own eyes. If they can't see any fallacy in their beliefs and you can, it must mean they're brainwashed!

Blake

03-11-2010, 11:33 AM

I don't think D-Rob is crazy enough to believe that god talks to him.

I wouldn't call someone like DR crazy, but I'm wondering if God told him to purchase a house out at the Dominion that includes his own street called Admirals Way.

sonic21

03-11-2010, 11:35 AM

Is it because your aunt "brainwashed" your cousin?

indoctrinated is a better word.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:36 AM

I'd say people who convince themselves of crazy shit like Barrack Obama being the anti-Christ because god allegedly told them he was are fucked up members of society.

Then I think you have a distorted view of what constitutes 'fucked up.' A_L might be cooky by your standards, but by hers, she's incredibly normal.

Bigzax

03-11-2010, 11:37 AM

we are very lucky to live in a country where we get to choose our paths based upon what we value most.

I valued that foil you took from me, and by the way since you know a little about the bible what part of the Bible did Jesus say go to a friends house and take his last 30 dollars?

you chose to cancel an agreement for which payment had already been made. i chose to recoup part of my losses and be done with you.

for every action, there is a reaction. if you can't handle the consequences, then choose your actions more wisely.

Matthew 7:12
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.

What's there to make up? According to BigSnack we was never friends, I have been in many arguments with family and friends but i never at any time went to their house and mugged the shit out of them when they needed help the most. I know criminals on the street that would have at least left me 5 dollars and half a joint as they rob me blind.

What Bigzax did was not only inhuman it showed everyone who knows what he did his true character. That is the bigger loss in all of this. To me me my reputation is worth more than 60.00 dollars.

you are being quite dramatic. i thought you didn't like drama.

if you feel i "mugged the shit out of you" by picking up an envelope with my name on it from under your welcome mat and then asking for a fraction of the bud that i had spotted you in the first place, then so be it.

that's your perspective. good luck to you.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:38 AM

If they can't see any fallacy in their beliefs and you can, it must mean they're brainwashed!

If their parents shelter the fuck out of them and intentionally do everything they can to make sure they don't see fallacy in the beliefs they were raised on, yes, it does mean they're brainwashed.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:41 AM

Then I think you have a distorted view of what constitutes 'fucked up.' A_L might be cooky by your standards, but by hers, she's incredibly normal.

My standards are based on facts and logic. Her standards are based on what she learned at Jebus camp. There's the difference.

SpursNextRomanEmpire

03-11-2010, 11:41 AM

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:43 AM

If their parents shelter the fuck out of them and intentionally do everything they can to make sure they don't see fallacy in the beliefs they were raised on, yes, it does mean they're brainwashed.

This isn't medieval times. Contrary opinions abound, intra-religiously even. You have to convince yourself that you're right using evidence or you're just crazy. Being crazy doesn't mean being brainwashed.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:45 AM

This isn't medieval times. Contrary opinions abound, intra-religiously even. You have to convince yourself that you're right using evidence or you're just crazy. Being crazy doesn't mean being brainwashed.

There are ways (such as homeschool) to keep your children away from contrary opinions. If you forcefeed your kid certain beliefs and do things like tell your kid people who believe other stuff are the devil and they're going to hell, you're brainwashing them.

whottt

03-11-2010, 11:49 AM

I don't think D-Rob is crazy enough to believe that god talks to him.

Drob makes angel and Bo look like agnostics.

He's also got a genius level iq and is probably more wordly and exposed to more people daily than even hardcore all day long message board posters like yourself.

Believe it or not.

His parents homeshcooled and isolated him all the way to a mathematics degree from the Naval Academy.

Granted, that's not exactly in the same league as spending 15 hours a day on a message board...but at least it's something.

sonic21

03-11-2010, 11:49 AM

No I'm not, just that being "brainwashed" by your standards doesn't mean much. Why can't someone choose to believe what they want, and teach others what they believe? A child grows up and sees the world through his/her own eyes. If they can't see any fallacy in their beliefs and you can, it must mean they're brainwashed!

In my view, a child should be allowed to come to Faith on his own terms. My mother is a religious person. I went to catechism but after that she let me make my own decision about religion.

Unfortunately, some parents are not content with their child’s mere knowledge of his or her religion; they want their children to have Faith. So they use psychological manipulation. It's called brainwashing.

Again i'm only talking about my aunt (who's still trying to convert me).

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:50 AM

Drob makes angel and Bo look like agnostics.

He's also got a genius level iq and is probably more wordly and exposed to more people daily than even hardcore all day long message board posters like yourself.

Believe it or not.

Do you know the guy or something? How the fuck do you know he's got a genius level IQ?

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:52 AM

PS - I never said D-Rob was brainwashed so no need to get butthurt defending your hero.

whottt

03-11-2010, 11:53 AM

Do you know the guy or something? How the fuck do you know he's got a genius level IQ?

His SAT score qualified him for MENSA.

I could be wrong though, I think it was my mom that told me that during a homeschooling session.

whottt

03-11-2010, 11:54 AM

PS - I never said D-Rob was brainwashed so no need to get butthurt defending your hero.

butthurt. I guess you have to not be homseschooled to develop a vocabulary like that.

Goliadnative

03-11-2010, 11:56 AM

Cane

03-11-2010, 11:56 AM

D-Rob also doesn't go around saying people he doesn't like are the antichrist.

He's what Christians and role models should aspire to be - smart, successful, upstanding citizen, and serves the community. He does talk about God a ton but from what I've seen its only during occasions where he's talking about himself. He doesn't go around quoting the Bible to fulfill a hater's agenda and how guys like Obama are the anti-christ.

He uses his religion to motivate himself and helps others....not to shit on science (being a math major in the Naval Academy helps too) nor does the Admiral use it as a tool for hate unlike the dumbass mobs that use it to persecute and shit on others.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:57 AM

His SAT score qualified him for MENSA.

Wtf is your point? You can give me an example of someone who is smart and religious? I'm not saying all religious people are brainwashed.

whottt

03-11-2010, 11:58 AM

D-Rob also doesn't go around saying people he doesn't like are the antichrist.

He's what Christians and role models should aspire to be - smart, successful, upstanding citizen, and serves the community. He does talk about God a ton but from what I've seen its only during occasions where he's talking about himself. He doesn't go around quoting the Bible to fulfill a hater's agenda and how guys like Obama are the anti-christ.

He uses his religion to motivate himself and not to shit on science (being a math major in the Naval Academy helps too) nor does the Admiral use it as a tool for hate unlike the dumbass mobs that use it to persecute and shit on others.

Obama is the anti-christ.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 11:59 AM

There are ways (such as homeschool) to keep your children away from contrary opinions. If you forcefeed your kid certain beliefs and do things like tell your kid people who believe other stuff are the devil and they're going to hell, you're brainwashing them.

A_L has 25,000 posts on this forum.

I think it's safe to say she has a good working knowledge of us sinners and our habits and mannerisms even.

She still sticks to her beliefs and feels even, that "God talks to her."

If you want to call her straight crazy, go ahead. But brainwashed? She's just operating under much different ideals. I'm sure she considers you brainwashed by the "flesh" or world.

whottt

03-11-2010, 11:59 AM

You're right, DRob doesn't go around shitting people that don't share his beliefs...maybe you can learn something from him...

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 11:59 AM

butthurt. I guess you have to not be homseschooled to develop a vocabulary like that.

Damn son, you're really sensitive about this home school thing. Sorry my vocabulary isn't professional enough for you, I didn't know this was a job interview.

Cane

03-11-2010, 11:59 AM

Obama is the anti-christ.

I'll see you in hell then. :p:

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 12:01 PM

You're right, DRob doesn't go around shitting people that don't share his beliefs...maybe you can learn something from him...

shitting people......I guess that's vocabulary you can't learn in homeschool. I don't think Jebus would appreciate that kind of language.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 12:02 PM

http://www.smokingtree.net/images/waterboy3.jpg

Foosball's da devil!!!

So is Obama!!!

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 12:04 PM

You're right, DRob doesn't go around shitting people that don't share his beliefs

Tell that to Dennis Rodman.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 12:05 PM

I do think its crazy calling someone the anti-christ... if you read in the Bible, it says little if anything (it's a subjective subject) about what will be revealed about the AC and other end-time things before the actual endtimes. All the signs of the times Christians hope for will appear after they've been raptured or the end-times themselves have begun.

John even says that all would come to pass before the end of his generation - and that was two thousand years ago.

BadOdor

03-11-2010, 12:22 PM

lol homeschooled.

angel_luv

03-11-2010, 12:26 PM

Since it is repeatedly referenced...

I am posting for the record how the whole President Obama/ Anti christ thing began.

Long story short: I was asked a question. I answered it honestly. And the rest is history.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107553&highlight=obama+anti+christ

Re: Your Vote, Your Reasons

I had put this is the I voted thread, but will repost it here:

I do not trust Senator Obama at all. I think he is dangerous.
Can I prove that he is? No.
But that is what concerns me. I think Senator Obama has ulterior motives and is such a good liar that he will fool the majority of the world before being finally found out.

That said, there would be no one more happier than myself if I were proven wrong. I just don't expect to be.

Senator McCain has not impressed me as a candidate either, but is the least disappointing choice.
I hope Senator McCain will govern in a way that I can look back and in retrospect be pleased I voted for him.

If nothing else, at least McCain is pro life, which is one thing I certainly support.

how is he dangerous?

what are his ulterior motives?

mccain will be anything you want in return for a vote. pro-life, pro-choice, you tell him and he'll say ok.

I already told you that I cannot prove my strong suspicions about Obama. Only time will tell if I am right or wrong.

I am just going to vote according to my inner convictions and gut instincts and be straight up about it.
That is all I am responsible to do.

Again let me stress, I do not like Senator McCain. I just disapprove of him less than I do Senator Obama.

You're not one of those "Obama is the anti-Christ" people, are you?

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

Oy

He'd probably say it's ridiculous because it is.

If Senator Obama was an outright scoundrel than I wouldn't think he had ulterior motives now would I?

Just because Senator Obama says the "right things" and says them well, does not mean that he is sincere and trustworthy in regards to them.

Only hindsight is 20/20. Time alone will tell the true story.

there you have it, ladys and gentlemen!

holy shit!

I don't mind the teasing at all. But I do not want anyone to think I was ever on a mission to destroy President Obama. Had I not been asked if I thought he might be the Anti-christ I would not have posted it- since it was a moot point at the time.
But having been asked a direct question, I certainly was not going to lie.

BadOdor

03-11-2010, 12:30 PM

Lady, saying you're bat shit crazy is like saying Jack the Ripper was not a very nice person. Massive Understatement

J.T.

03-11-2010, 12:35 PM

I was homeschooled for like three days then my mom put my ass in public school. Best decision she ever made imo.

angel_luv

03-11-2010, 12:40 PM

Bad Odor-

That was some game the Lakers had against my Raps two nights ago. That shot by Kobe to win the game was sick!

Fpoonsie

03-11-2010, 12:41 PM

Bad Odor-

That was some game the Lakers had against my Raps two nights ago. That shot by Kobe to win the game was sick!

:lol

Turnin' the other cheek's just gonna piss 'em off more, a_l.

angel_luv

03-11-2010, 12:43 PM

:lol

Turnin' the other cheek's just gonna piss 'em off more, a_l.

Well truth be told.

The last second Raps lost to the Lakers hurt me way more than being called a name.

And I survived the Raps lost- although they lost on me again last night. :td

Greg Oden

03-11-2010, 12:54 PM

rofl at anyone arguing with whottttttt seriously. He's the same guy who thinks DRob should be a presidential candidate.

DarkReign

03-11-2010, 12:55 PM

One thing to attack an opinion, quite another to attack a person. I wondered why a meaningless thread like this went so damn long and now I know.

Then again, you post personal info on the www, you reap what you sow.

Bukefal

03-11-2010, 01:17 PM

lol at back2basics post on that thread:

My Reaction:

Some of you people have no right to vote...or better yet should lose that right.

Angel Luv's voting capsule:

He's not a CHRISTIAN!

I don’t want someone with tainted… anything in beliefs, doing anything with my family!

Darksided!

Their entire house is darksided too!

Everything’s un-Godly!

Gargoyles!… Psychics!

Get the hell out of my house- in Jesus’ name I pray!

GET OUT!

I give it up to God I’m a GOD WARRIOR!

I had to watch this vid again;

q3mDLsyn6ns

:lmao :rollin

angel_luv

03-11-2010, 01:42 PM

I miss B2B.

He is a really cool dude and always made really entertaining threads.

mouse

03-11-2010, 01:48 PM

This using GOD for everything has been an issue for me since i can remember I am not jumping on this give GOD (if there is one) respect band wagon. In fact many of my friends treat me like I am against God (if there is one) and the Bible,and there way of life.

why can't people see its the other way around that maybe it's "THEM" who don't respect God not me. I don't ask God which shoes should i wear or if i should order extra cheese on my pizza, but there are people out there that are so wrapped up in this GOD is GOD of my life they actually think everything that happens GOD wanted it to happen for example...If I see BigZax at a GTG and I shove a broomstick up his ass and he ends up in the Emergency room (of the zoo) and they have to keep him overnight, there are people who would say GOD wanted me to go to the hospital because I was probably going to drive home drunk and kill a family of four, so Mouse thank you for shoving that broom stick up my ass you are a saint mouse!! and you must work for GOD he does work in Mysterious ways!!

That is what I don't like for some reason it bothers me. I guess I should pray about it.

mouse

03-11-2010, 01:49 PM

JudynTX

03-11-2010, 03:57 PM

lol at back2basics post on that thread:

I had to watch this vid again;

q3mDLsyn6ns

:lmao :rollin

:lol :lol I remember her.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 04:06 PM

Lady, saying you're bat shit crazy is like saying Jack the Ripper was not a very nice person. Massive Understatement

Maybe god talked to Jack the Ripper and told him to become a serial killer.

whottt

03-11-2010, 04:25 PM

shitting people......I guess that's vocabulary you can't learn in homeschool.

At least they teach you what a typo is in homeschool.

I don't think Jebus would appreciate that kind of language.

God made all the words that exist and all the words that will ever exist, and also the sounds.

whottt

03-11-2010, 04:27 PM

Tell that to Dennis Rodman.

Since it's doubtfull Dennis was homeschooled it's understandable.

whottt

03-11-2010, 04:34 PM

rofl at anyone arguing with whottttttt seriously. He's the same guy who thinks DRob should be a presidential candidate.

Maybe if Drob went to a nice sane conventional church with a nice sane preacher like Obama does he wouldn't scare people.

Oh well, at least I know what Drob's SAT score was. Which is more than you know about Obama.

I'll bet you angel, Drob, me and Trig Palin know how many states there are as well, which puts us all at least one up on Obama.

I'll bet you whatever his score is, it ends in 666.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 04:35 PM

Blake

03-11-2010, 04:36 PM

God made all the words that exist and all the words that will ever exist, and also the sounds.

I thought the devil made the words "fuck" and "off"

Interesting theory.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 04:38 PM

Maybe if Drob went to a nice sane conventional church with a nice sane preacher like Obama does he wouldn't scare people.

Oh well, at least I know what Drob's SAT score was. Which is more than you know about Obama.

I'll bet you whatever his score is, it ends in 666.

Quite the accomplishment in life to know someone else's SAT score. I hope you're proud of yourself. What's even more awesome is the fact you brag about how good someone you've never met did on the SATs.

Whatever Obama's SAT score was, he managed to be editor and chief of the Harvard law review.

J.T.

03-11-2010, 04:40 PM

Zack Morris scored 1502 on the SAT. Crominant.

Blake

03-11-2010, 04:40 PM

You know what's an interesting discussion with a Christian? God's omniscience. Since Jesus knows everything, doesn't he know the people who will never accept him of their own free will? Isn't that the same thing as condemning them before they're even born? If you're fated to lose out on jesus, you're fated to go to hell.

it's definitely tough to get past the predestination concept.

If God knows a person is going to hell, why create him/her? What kind of love is that?

Thanks a lot bin laden.

Blake

03-11-2010, 04:42 PM

Quite the accomplishment in life to know someone else's SAT score. I hope you're proud of yourself. What's even more awesome is the fact you brag about how good someone you've never met did on the SATs.

Whatever Obama's SAT score was, he managed to be editor and chief of the Harvard law review.

2 rings > Harvard law

clambake

03-11-2010, 04:44 PM

666?

sounds like whottt's back on the meth train.

Kenny Powers

03-11-2010, 04:45 PM

This chick I used to date, and by date I mean cared about only enough to get into her pants frequently and then found an excuse to bail when the pussy got boring, used to think God was talking to her. But eventually the shrooms wore off.

symple19

03-11-2010, 04:47 PM

http://fuckjesus.net/jesus_motivational_poster.jpg

whottt

03-11-2010, 04:52 PM

Quite the accomplishment in life to know someone else's SAT score.

Well hey, it's not, not know what someone's sat score is. There is that at least.

I hope you're proud of yourself. What's even more awesome is the fact you brag about how good someone you've never met did on the SATs.

Oh I've met him alright and I said nothing to lead you conclude I never had. If you had been homeschooled you be smart enough to know things like that.

Whatever Obama's SAT score was, he managed to be editor and chief of the Harvard law review.

Big deal, Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 04:55 PM

Big deal, Hitler was appointed Chancellor of Germany.

Hitler was evil but he was a smart motherfucker.

whottt

03-11-2010, 04:56 PM

clambake

03-11-2010, 04:56 PM

now america is germany.

got meth?

whottt

03-11-2010, 04:57 PM

Hitler was evil but he was a smart motherfucker.

Smarter than the idiots who suppored him, that's for sure.

And I didn't hear you guys bringing up Harvard every 5 minutes when Bush was President.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 04:57 PM

Oh I've met him alright and I said nothing to lead you conclude I never had. If you had been homeschooled you be smart enough to know things like that.

There you go whining about that home school thing again for no reason. Sonic must have really struck a nerve.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 05:02 PM

Hitler was very good with people, but overvalued himself as a tactician. The war would have been different had he relied on his generals and advisers rather than himself. They were much more qualified.

whottt

03-11-2010, 05:02 PM

There you go whining about that home school thing again for no reason. Sonic must have really struck a nerve.

Really did. Because I was homeschooled :tu

You sure did figure me out.

Meanwhile you guys act more girly than angel does when someone is critical of Obama.

Realize that if you guys go around attacking the Gods of other people, they are going to attack yours.

whottt

03-11-2010, 05:04 PM

Hitler was very good with people.

Unlike Obama, who completely sucks with people.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 05:11 PM

Really did. Because I was homeschooled :tu

You sure did figure me out.

Meanwhile you guys act more girly than angel does when someone is critical of Obama.

Realize that if you guys go around attacking the Gods of other people, they are going to attack yours.

:lmao this isn't about Obama. Regardless, I don't have a god, but sorry, I didn't know D-Rob was your god. My apologies.

Staff Sgt. Dignam

03-11-2010, 05:27 PM

Is this what the political forum posters have to deal with on a daily basis?

What I want to know is if this lace curtain fuckstick is so high on a guy who did great on the SAT's, why isn't the motherfucker doing something besides cleaning up after the fatasses at taco bell?

PM5K

03-11-2010, 05:57 PM

Lady, saying you're bat shit crazy is like saying Jack the Ripper was not a very nice person. Massive Understatement

No shit, I totally agree. I was already thinking that before I read what she wrote about Obama, now it's for certain.

blizz

03-11-2010, 06:53 PM

i couldn't get past page 5...and even that was too long to read. a couple of thoughts here:

1. this bitch is crazy
2. this bitch is CRAZY
3. the dude is an EXPRESS LUBE employee....he doesn't have "clients" or one on one time other than, "we have wipers on sale today...we can replace them for you for an extra $55...would you like us to take care of that today?"
4. sounds like both of you quit tough parts of your life and are using the "God told me to" excuse to rationalize it to yourselves.
5. both of you are losers.

angel_luv

03-11-2010, 07:01 PM

Blizz-
Bo is a Fleet manager. He spends all day on the phone with clients and putting together fleet proposals- thus all the paperwork to be stapled, sorted, and filed. That is Bo's primary job. Although he does also serve as a store manager as needed.

And insult me all you want, I don't care.
But my husband ( who is absolutely one hundred percent awesome) has done nothing to deserve spite from you.
So rip apart my posts if you must, but please refrain from being rude about Bo.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 07:02 PM

angel_luv

03-11-2010, 07:05 PM

why do you give these people the time of the day?

Well I can understand how someone would be confused about why I thought I could help Bo with his job, if they are under the assumption that he still works mainly as a mechanic.
So I wanted to clear that up.

And I do not want Bo to be hassled on account of me, so that explains the rest.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 07:13 PM

you're a really nice couple, but i bet people insulting you has an affect on Bo even if he won't admit it.

Why answer them? It's a charade. Entertainment for them. Are you being entertained?

Bukefal

03-11-2010, 07:42 PM

Exactly, that's why you should this kind of personal stuff, in this extent, to yourself, especially on a forum like ST, out of all the forums around :lol Don't wonder what people say and how they react in here afterwards

marini martini

03-11-2010, 08:01 PM

'Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater. If you give her sperm, she'll give you a baby. If you give her a house, she'll give you a home. If you give her groceries, she'll give you a meal.. If you give her a smile, she'll give you her heart. She multiplies and enlarges what is given to her. So, if you give her any crap, be ready to receive a ton of shit.'

:toast

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:01 PM

The sword fighting over Angel Luv's attention has been intense between zosa and BukkakeFail.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:02 PM

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:03 PM

The sword fighting over Angel Luv's attention has been intense between zosa and BukkakeFail.

coming from a huge attention whore, that actually kinda hurts.

:depressed

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 08:04 PM

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:04 PM

coming from a huge attention whore, that actually kinda hurts.

:depressed

coming from just a plain whore, that actually hurt.

:depressed

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:05 PM

coming from just a plain whore, that actually hurt.

:depressed

you're just a plain whore?

Bukefal

03-11-2010, 08:06 PM

The sword fighting over Angel Luv's attention has been intense between zosa and BukkakeFail.

lol nice one Mr.douchebag

And that coming from you :nerd :rollin

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:07 PM

you're just a plain whore?

Is that how it works. I call you a plain whore, and you ask me if i'm one too?

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:08 PM

what?

you're just a plain whore?

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:10 PM

don't edit your post now you koktless POS.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:10 PM

you're just a plain whore?

No, just you.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 08:11 PM

ignognokt has a point, if Angel_Luv was a guy spewing bible shit on this site people wouldn't hold back on telling her how "batshit" crazy she is.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:11 PM

At least you agree you're a huge attention whore.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:12 PM

ignognokt has a point.

I don't think that was his point at all. :toast

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:13 PM

don't edit your post now you koktless POS.

:whine

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 08:14 PM

I don't think that was his point at all. :toast

I agree with his actual point, people are nice to A_L in the off chance they'll get with her one day. I was trying to sugarcoat it. Oh well.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:14 PM

I don't think that was his point at all. :toast

Your point was to score points, but now your relegated to just rubbing your point.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:15 PM

At least you agree you're a huge attention whore.

by that same token, since you didn't deny being a whore, you just agreed to being a huge whore.:toast

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:17 PM

by that same token, since you didn't deny being a whore, you just agreed to being a huge whore.:toast

A plain whore, you mean? No, I didn't.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:18 PM

A plain whore, you mean? No, I didn't.

That's what i said. You didn't deny it.:toast

Bukefal

03-11-2010, 08:19 PM

I dont really give a shit about her or something else, unlike zosa maybe, nor am I holding back. Im just saying and said all the time that I think it's pretty stupid of them to post such personal matters on this forum . I dont understand that. And afterwards to find it strange how people react on you. :bang I mean it's ST, its not like its a surprise.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:20 PM

I agree with his actual point, people are nice to A_L in the off chance they'll get with her one day. I was trying to sugarcoat it. Oh well.

I'm sure people treat her lightly because she a woman. But not in my case. I know Christians like angel_luv, who employ the same philosophies. That's how I am so sure about DRob's ideals in this regard. Christians are taught certain ways, something I've been subjected to.

Yet I've also read the Bible. In the Bible, Paul commands Christians to live apart from non-Christians. You simply don't see this today. Turning the cheek is one thing, this thread is something else.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:21 PM

That's what i said. You didn't deny it.:toast

I'm a man-whore.

DUNCANownsKOBE2

03-11-2010, 08:21 PM

I dont really give a shit about her or something else, unlike zosa maybe, nor am I holding back. Im just saying and said all the time that I think it's pretty stupid to post such personal matters on this forum. I dont understand that. And afterwards to find it strange how people react on you. I mean it's ST, its not like its a surprise.

This I agree with. Whether you believe Jebus talks to you or not, I think most everyone agrees it isn't smart to post personal shit.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:24 PM

I'm a man-whore.

with the same client base as a woman-whore.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:24 PM

Are you still raging?

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:25 PM

Are you still raging?

No, i'm not filled with rage at all.:lmao

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:27 PM

No, i'm not filled with rage at all.:lmao

Yeah, that is a pretty hilarious concept imposed upon the current forum rage-whore.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:31 PM

Yeah, that is a pretty hilarious concept imposed upon the current forum rage-whore.

Why does everything have to involve whores with you. Is it because you've never had consensual sex without money being involved?

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:35 PM

Why does everything have to involve whores with you. Is it because you've never had consensual sex without money being involved?

Consensual sex is overrated. :downspin:

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 08:38 PM

Consensual sex is overrated. :downspin:

:nope badly played, rapist.

z0sa

03-11-2010, 08:39 PM

:nope badly played, rapist.

Can't rape the willing. :D

Capt Bringdown

03-11-2010, 08:44 PM

God told you to quit school in order to further your "career" as a express lube employee?

Yours is a very foolish God.

Good luck with that.

xXx

03-11-2010, 08:58 PM

Blake

03-11-2010, 09:09 PM

'Whatever you give a woman, she will make greater.

Give a woman money, she make your debt greater.

:toast

Blake

03-11-2010, 09:16 PM

That's how I am so sure about DRob's ideals in this regard. Christians are taught certain ways, something I've been subjected to.

Matt 19
21Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

He's a great guy, just not perfect.

Ignignokt

03-11-2010, 09:47 PM

Can't rape the willing. :D

That's pretty pathetic zosa, "she/he was asking for for it" is not a legitamate excuse.

DarkReign

03-12-2010, 10:08 AM

you're a really nice couple, but i bet people insulting you has an affect on Bo even if he won't admit it.

Why answer them? It's a charade. Entertainment for them. Are you being entertained?

Sound advice...the only sound advice in the entire thread.

angel_luv

03-12-2010, 11:30 AM

Angel, i'm just curious why you never pursued a college degree or did you and then put it on hold?

you speak of it now as not being an option since by the time you graduate and get a job it will be child rearing/raising time.

but why not 10 years ago?

I went to Texas Bible Institute and attended their two year Bible college programs there. The second year portion was a year long Leadership Training Course.

I had the benefit of both Bible based instructional classes and a lot of hands of experience in minstering- as the campus was host to events for men, women, and children ( various events for each) every weekend.

Also with having graduated from the school comes the ability to network with a long list of churches- which will come in handy should I ever move and want to find a new church and/ or find a job in a church.

I graduated from Bible college in 2002.

My heart desire has always been primarily to dedicate myself to my husband and household and to serve together with my husband in church ministry and possibly as a foster parent.

ToughActinTinactin

03-12-2010, 11:50 PM

Sound advice...the only sound advice in the entire thread.

Sounds good to me.

Re-Animator

03-13-2010, 12:26 AM

Sounds good to me.

Hey what program did you install to hear when a poster replies? I can't hear crap. Do I maybe have my speakers hooked up wrong?

Pick of Destiny

03-13-2010, 12:54 AM

You made the right move AL. Follow your destiny!

marini martini

03-13-2010, 12:57 AM

Hey what program did you install to hear when a poster replies? I can't hear crap. Do I maybe have my speakers hooked up wrong?

PM da mouse!!!:toast

mogrovejo

03-13-2010, 01:17 PM

it's definitely tough to get past the predestination concept.

If God knows a person is going to hell, why create him/her? What kind of love is that?

Thanks a lot bin laden.

Inscrutabilia sunt judicia Dei.

I think you're confusing predestination with Predestinarianism though, the later implying a rejection of the free will. There are many theological disputes regarding Predestination, but from Scripture and Tradition, God predestines no one to evil:

If any one saith, that it is not in man's power to make his ways evil, but that the works that are evil God worketh as well as those that are good, not permissively only, but properly, and of Himself, in such wise that the treason of Judas is no less His own proper work than the vocation of Paul.
- Council of Trent, Canon VI of the Decrees on Justification

If any one saith, that the grace of Justification is only attained to by those who are predestined unto life; but that all others who are called, are called indeed, but receive not grace, as being, by the divine power, predestined unto evil; let him be anathema.

-Council of Trent, Canon XVII of the Decrees on Justification

All men are called to this catholic unity of the People of God…. And to it, in different ways, belong or are ordered:the Catholic faithful, others who believe in Christ, and finally all mankind, called by God’s grace to salvation.

Reprobation by God does not take anything away from the power of the person reprobated. Hence, when it is said that the reprobated cannot obtain grace, this must not be understood as implying absolute impossibility: but only conditional impossibility: as was said above, that the predestined must necessarily be saved; yet a conditional necessity, which does not do away with the liberty of choice. Whence, although anyone reprobated by God cannot acquire grace, nevertheless that he falls into this or that particular sin comes from the use of his free-will. Hence it is rightly imputed to him as guilt

- Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologiae, Qt 23

So it's a mistake to embrace the theory that predestination implies an
exclusio a gloria for certain men. Predestination, as Albert Magnus and Francis de Sales put it, is, at most, post praevisa merita.

I appreciate Angel_Luv. Even though she's very probably a heretic protestant, she behaves with uncommon decency, with true Christian affability. Omne animal diligit simile sibi, sic et omnis homo proximum sibi. I sincerely wish you and your family the best, AL.

Blake

03-15-2010, 03:42 PM

I think you're confusing predestination with Predestinarianism though, the later implying a rejection of the free will. There are many theological disputes regarding Predestination, but from Scripture and Tradition, God predestines no one to evil:

I'm not suggesting a rejection of free will here on earth at all. My question is regarding the apparent paradox in God's motives for creation.

Again, if God in his omniscience can see the future, then by that rule he would know who is and who isn't going to hell.

Why would a loving God create something knowing he loves, knowing full well that it will end up burning/tortured for eternity?