UFC 111: St-Pierre vs Hardy March 27 Fight Thread!!

[dbreiden83080]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/UFC_111_Poster.jpg

Really a great card here top to bottom. I'll be there live to see my boy GSP kick the hell out of Hardy.. :ihit

Mir and Carwin is a fascinating fight and Alves/Fitch such a tough one to call..

Event Preview...

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Main Card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy
Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek


Spike TV Card

Welterweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Rory Markham
Welterweight bout: Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown


Preliminary Card

Lightweight bout: Kurt Pellegrino vs. Fabricio Camoes
Light Heavyweight bout: Rodney Wallace vs. Jared Hamman
Middleweight bout: Rousimar Palhares vs. Tomasz Drwal
Welterweight bout: Matthew Riddle vs. Greg Soto


Main Card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy

GSP will finish this fight sometime in the 3rd round IMO. Hardy does not have the wrestling or JJ to deal with GSP on the ground. GSP will strike enough to give this guy a head-ache, then put him away on the ground, Via Ref Stoppage Round 3 TKO..

Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Tough fight to call and a fascinating fight indeed. Mir looks hungry and extremely focused on that 3rd fight with Brock, but Carwin is a beast with viscious power and wrestling. This could go either way, but i'll go with Mir based on experience and thinking his JJ will be the difference..

Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger
Saunders is under-rated, i think he's a bigger force in that division than people feel at this point..

Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
I have no idea how this is going to play out. Fitch is so damn tough, a true warrior, never gonna quit. Alves is the more talented, skilled fighter of the two. A way better version of the one that Fitch beat a few years ago. Fitch grinds out a win or Alves punishes him for 3 rounds with viscious leg kicks and strikes. Either way i think this goes the distance, both guys are too hard to finish...

Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek

[Rip-Hamilton32]

GSP
Carwin
Saunders
Brown
Bocek

[Stringer_Bell]

Main Card
Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy
- I think this match will be closer contested in the early rounds than people expect, Hardy knows GSP puts a lot of pressure on himself and I have no doubt he'll find a way to use it against him. Still, I think conditioning will be a major factor and GSP will win via KO sometime in the 3rd/4th.

Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
- Hulk Mir by smothering. Shane has a brain that he uses for a real job, I can't see him putting everything on the line to beat Mir, but Mir is obsessed and knows this is his chance to fight someone similar to Brock. This one will not go to the judges.

Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger

Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
- Pierce almost stole the fight from Fitch last time, Thiago will make him pay even more if he gets caught like that.

Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek

Spike TV Card
Welterweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Rory Markham
- Should be a decent fight, Diaz will get the decision.

[dbreiden83080]

Shane has a brain that he uses for a real job, I can't see him putting everything on the line to beat Mir.

I don't doubt Carwin's desire to win this fight or lay it on the line one bit. He wins this fight and he has a UFC belt around his waist. He can retire from his day job because big pay-days will be coming.. Watching the count-down show last night, this guy wants this bad.. He could easily KO Mir..

[dbreiden83080]

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[djohn14]

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy-Dan Hardy is a really good fighter...but hes not taking GSP's belt.
Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin-My guts tell me Mir will win, but I dont want to have the same picks as stringer
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger-I think Ben has this easily
Welterweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Rory Markham
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek-Im a big fan of both Millers

[Stringer_Bell]

Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin-My guts tell me Mir will win, but I dont want to have the same picks as stringer

lol, I didn't pick the Miller fight so I picked the Diaz figth instead. You can still change it, and you probably should because I'm not buying Carwin's TV comments. Hulk Mir could cause bodily harm to Carwin that he'd rather avoid if possible.

[dbreiden83080]

lol, I didn't pick the Miller fight so I picked the Diaz figth instead. You can still change it, and you probably should because I'm not buying Carwin's TV comments. Hulk Mir could cause bodily harm to Carwin that he'd rather avoid if possible.

Wow what's with all the Carwin has no heart talk??

[dbreiden83080]

http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=314941
HARDY: 'TIME IS RIGHT TO DETHRONE ST. PIERRE AT UFC 111'


http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=315092

UFC 111: GSP SAYS HE HAS IMPROVED AFTER 8-MONTH LAYOFF

[Sausage]

Going to be a GREAT card. Anyone know any places in San Antonio that will be showing both UFC AND college basketball this weekend? Preferably with no cover?

[Stringer_Bell]

Wow what's with all the Carwin has no heart talk??

That's like me questioning why you hate on Rashad any chance you get, even comparing Brock to him as a superior wrestler when they aren't anywhere near the same weight class or have any business in the same sentence together (unless of course this very sentence). :ihit

All I'm saying is, anyone fighting Mir at this point knows they will be hurt and if Carwin can't somehow get off to a good start then you'll see an easy victory for Mir. Engineering Career + Family + Living life normally > than Mir breaking your leg off or punching your eye out. I would fight Brock before I fight Mir at this point, at least Brock is content with smothering people and not causing serious bodily harm.

[dbreiden83080]

That's like me questioning why you hate on Rashad any chance you get, even comparing Brock to him as a superior wrestler when they aren't anywhere near the same weight class or have any business in the same sentence together (unless of course this very sentence). :ihit

I am talking about what i see in the ring and on a man's resume about Rashad, you are talking about a Yoda like gut feeling you have about Shane. I love ya Stringer but there is a massive difference on that front.. Evans has vastly inferior backgrounds to guys he was compared to in my post, not a gut feeling that is based on facts. Was Evans a national champ like Brock or Koscheck or an Olympian like Hendo?? Nope.. Hendo is in Shad's weight class which i made pretty clear.. Koscheck fights 35 pds lighter than Shad.. I threw Brock in there as a back-up point.. One could easily argue, Brock's weight class is tougher to win in wrestling than Shad's was in college, considering the insane athleticism and strength you must be possess to win such a weight class.. Shane Carwin for all you know could have more heart than anyone in the UFC, but because he has yet to be tested and has a day-job to pay bills you are suggesting he is mentally weak.. Mir beat his chest about Mental toughness going into UFC 100 and then got handed a lop-sided beat-down.. Carwin may lose to Mir i picked Mir, but i doubt it will be because he does not want it as bad as Mir.. Mir is about as full of shit as anyone that has fought in MMA when it comes to opening their yap... This is the same guy that says "Brock should be ashamed for himself and his family for his UFC 100 antics" and then turns around and says in a radio interview he

"wants to be the first to cause an MMA related death when he fights Brock in their rubber match"

One minute he is about respect for MMA the next he is about murdering a man in the ring...

[Stringer_Bell]

WE all make our predictions on gut feelings, nothing on paper or TV really means anything once the cage door closes. Call it Yoda, all it Revelation, call it Better's intuition...but Shane will either shock Mir in the 1st or give up before the 3rd. I've never said he was mentally weak or didn't have heart...he's been rattled and fought through it to get a KO immediately after. But Mir is a beast NOW, and the only person besides Brock that I can see who is hungry/mean enough to deal with him is Cain. Hulk Mir might be talking out of his butt when he makes threats, but I'd rather go a round with Brock than Hulk Mir. And yes, Mir is a bit hypocritical, but I prefer his "enthusiasm" to Carwin judging everyone from his pedestal calling people "terrible human beings". Hmmm, so maybe it is a little personal on my part, but not as personal as you and Rashad. :ihit

If Carwin somehow wins or at least shows he's not afraid to risk bodily injury against Mir (which means he accepts his beating past the 3rd round), I'll renounce my criticism and take back all the mean things I said. 4 DAYS!!!

[polandprzem]

Guys, carwin will be ready for a brawl and be only aware of not being taken down and be under Mir. He wants slugfest and he might 'talk' Mir into that strategy.
IMO Mir will stay outside trying to use reach with jabs, also he is faster and alusive harder to catch. he can use angels to iritate Carwin. If he will not connect in 3 minutes of the fight he might do some mistakes.

I just wonder if Shane acually will chose to bring Mir down ala Brock style. Mir said he has an answer for that strategy now. Well all in all I can't frickin wait!

[desflood]

This is up on TMZ this morning. Hope it's not true.


UFC's Thiago "Pitbull" Alves will not fight at Saturday's UFC 111, because a CAT Scan shows an irregularity in his brain ... TMZ has learned.

Thiago was scheduled to rumble with Jon Fitch on Saturday -- but a pre-fight CAT Scan revealed an irregularity -- a source close to 26-year-old Pitbull tells TMZ the irregularity involves an artery in the brain.

UFC honcho Dana White tells TMZ he will fly Pitbull to a specialist for further evaluation. White says, "If it's true, it can be career-ending."

No one will replace Pitbull on Saturday. The headliner is Georges St- Pierre -- ironically, the fighter who solidly beat Thiago in his last fight last July.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0jCHuRjAV

[Stringer_Bell]

Oh no, that's HORRIBLE news. I've read he's a good guy, always cool with the fans and now that's he's about to get back in action there's a possibly life changing setback like this.

[dbreiden83080]

Well that blows both for him and me since i am going to this fight..

Damn Thiago..

[desflood]

Confirmed on mmajunkie:


A failed CT scan has forced UFC welterweight Thiago Alves out of a UFC 111 pay-per-view main-card bout with Jon Fitch.

The report comes from Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports, citing UFC president Dana White. New Jersey State Athletic Control Board representative Nick Lembo could not immediately be reached by MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) for comment.

A source close to the event told MMAjunkie.com Alves has been scratched from Saturday's card and confirmed the failed CT scan.

[djohn14]

Fuck!

[dbreiden83080]

Lets change those picks guys, we'll see if Fitch still fights, sounds like he won't..

[ATRAIN]

Here are my picks

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy

and for the Main EVENT

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy

[ATRAIN]

And new welterwieght champion..........daaaaaaaan hardyyyy!!!!

[dbreiden83080]

And new welterwieght champion..........daaaaaaaan hardyyyy!!!!

Look who stuck his head out of the sand.. :lol

[ATRAIN]

Look who stuck his head out of the sand.. :lol

:lmao

Yeah I would have normally picked GSP but since Hardy is now Sera 2.0 I have to go with him. Sera knows GSP's weaknesses after he beat him the last time, but the 2nd time around couldnt do it cause he was too old. Hardy is gonna smash Van Damme's face in!!

[dbreiden83080]

Due to medical licensing issues, welterweight contender Thiago Alves has been pulled from his UFC 111 rematch with Jon Fitch this Saturday at Newark’s Prudential Center. There will be no replacement opponent brought in for Fitch, and the lightweight battle between New Jersey’s own Kurt Pellegrino and Fabricio Camoes will now be moved up to the Pay-Per-View portion of the card.

The UFC 111 card, which features the welterweight title fight between Georges St-Pierre and Dan Hardy and the interim heavyweight title bout between Frank Mir and Shane Carwin, will proceed with ten bouts.

[ATRAIN]

Due to medical licensing issues, welterweight contender Thiago Alves has been pulled from his UFC 111 rematch with Jon Fitch this Saturday at Newark’s Prudential Center. There will be no replacement opponent brought in for Fitch, and the lightweight battle between New Jersey’s own Kurt Pellegrino and Fabricio Camoes will now be moved up to the Pay-Per-View portion of the card.

The UFC 111 card, which features the welterweight title fight between Georges St-Pierre and Dan Hardy and the interim heavyweight title bout between Frank Mir and Shane Carwin, will proceed with ten bouts.

Medical licensing issues??? That a nice way to say this bastard got caught roiding?? What a pussy.

[desflood]

Medical licensing issues??? That a nice way to say this bastard got caught roiding?? What a pussy.
Dude, do you pay attention at all? Guy's got something abnormal in his brain :rolleyes

[desflood]

A good point from Luke Thomas:

UPDATE [from Luke Thomas]: As unfortunate as this may be, there is a silver lining: this fight was scheduled to take place in New Jersey where this is a competent, experienced athletic commission. There are plenty of states that do not require a CAT scan to compete professionally. While this could be tragic for Alves' career and clearly hurts UFC 111, the upside here is that thorough athletic commission standards could be saving the life and well-being of a human being. That's good news even when it's bad news.

[ATRAIN]

Dude, do you pay attention at all? Guy's got something abnormal in his brain :rolleyes

Cause of the roids im sure.

[dbreiden83080]

Thiago has been out of fights because of injuries in training, he got busted for taking some weight cutting product and suspended a few years back.. IF he gets though this he needs to bite the bullet and move up to MW. I know that's rough when he is only about 5'9 but this weight cutting is killing him..

[desflood]

Main Card

Georges St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy
Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Ben Saunders vs. Jon Fitch
Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek
Kurt Pellegrino vs. Fabricio Camoes

[dbreiden83080]

Main Card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy
Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek


Spike TV Card

Welterweight bout: Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown

[desflood]

Cause of the roids im sure.
I'm sure. Couldn't possibly be due to his occupation - you know, that one where he gets punched in the face for a living :lol

[desflood]

Main Card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy
Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek


Spike TV Card

Welterweight bout: Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown
What? Don't tell me you're going to break your own rule about picking all the main card fights!

[dbreiden83080]

What? Don't tell me you're going to break your own rule about picking all the main card fights!

The fight moved up blows it's a main card fight by default..

[ATRAIN]

I'm sure. Couldn't possibly be due to his occupation - you know, that one where he gets punched in the face for a living :lol

Well im sure that has something to do with it, but you honestly dont know what some of the crap those guys take does to your body. Its very possible.

[polandprzem]

The fight moved up blows it's a main card fight by default..


Well there you go with a story :rolleyes

[ATRAIN]

DB wanna make a sig bet?? Hardy vs GSP??

[polandprzem]

[quote=dbreiden83080;4166701]

Main Card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy
Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek
Lightweight bout: Kurt Pellegrino vs. Fabricio Camoes

Spike TV Card

Welterweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Rory Markham
Welterweight bout: Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown


Preliminary Card


Light Heavyweight bout: Rodney Wallace vs. Jared Hamman
Middleweight bout: Rousimar Palhares vs. Tomasz Drwal
Welterweight bout: Matthew Riddle vs. Greg Soto

[dbreiden83080]

DB wanna make a sig bet?? Hardy vs GSP??

Sure what do ya got??


Well there you go with a story :rolleyes

Bunch a whiners today...

Des isn't Brown in your fantasy file? Better question why aren't you picking that fight??

[dbreiden83080]

Only reason Brown and Almeida didn't get moved up is they want to give the Spike TV crowd something to chew on if they are on the fence about ordering the PPV IMO

[desflood]

Well im sure that has something to do with it, but you honestly dont know what some of the crap those guys take does to your body. Its very possible.
Honestly, I do know. I am not illiterate. I do read on occasion.

Of course it's possible, but you can't really jump to that conclusion so quickly. It could be that the man just has an arterial abnormality in his brain -it's foolish to immediately assume that steroids play a part in it.

[ATRAIN]

Sure what do ya got??



Bunch a whiners today...

Des isn't Brown in your fantasy file? Better question why aren't you picking that fight??

What do I got, well a sig bet duh lol. I am not sure what we can bet any ideas??

DB why do you think I stopped picking fights, got tired of everyone taking the easy road when I picked 99% of the main even fights.

[desflood]

Des isn't Brown in your fantasy file? Better question why aren't you picking that fight??
My life is about making others happy. You seem so unhappy when people "wuss out" and don't pick the main card fights that I'm just trying to satisfy you.

Question that.

[polandprzem]

Des isn't Brown in your fantasy file? Better question why aren't you picking that fight??

Don't get it

[dbreiden83080]

What do I got, well a sig bet duh lol. I am not sure what we can bet any ideas??

Nothing that will have Kori yelling at us, but i'll give you something to write about GSP that i have to put in my sig as long as it is not way over the line, so i am told to take it down.. I'll agree to that..



DB why do you think I stopped picking fights, got tired of everyone taking the easy road when I picked 99% of the main even fights.

I know.. Now i pick one undercard fight because a main one got pulled and i am getting shit.. :lol

[ATRAIN]

Honestly, I do know. I am not illiterate. I do read on occasion.

Of course it's possible, but you can't really jump to that conclusion so quickly. It could be that the man just has an arterial abnormality in his brain -it's foolish to immediately assume that steroids play a part in it.

I sure can, yeah you might be right and I might be wrong but we can't rule that out. Reading doesnt have anything to do with it so not sure what you are trying to get at.

[dbreiden83080]

My life is about making others happy. You seem so unhappy when people "wuss out" and don't pick the main card fights that I'm just trying to satisfy you.

Question that.

I'm not unhappy you can do what you want. It's no big deal to me..

[dbreiden83080]

Don't get it


She thinks Matt Brown is hot..

[ATRAIN]

Nothing that will have Kori yelling at us, but i'll give you something to write about GSP that i have to put in my sig as long as it is not way over the line, so i am told to take it down.. I'll agree to that..



I know.. Now i pick one undercard fight because a main one got pulled and i am getting shit.. :lol

Yeah man I wouldnt do anything that bad to force someone to ask you to take it down. Just something that would embarras you and your man love for GSP :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Yeah man I wouldnt do anything that bad to force someone to ask you to take it down. Just something that would embarras you and your man love for GSP :lol

Alright i agree to those terms.. And i'll agree to the same about you and say Stretch.. "Yeah A-Train has man love for Stretch"

Sig that up.. Hardy FTW.. :lol

[ATRAIN]

I'm not unhappy you can do what you want. It's no big deal to me..

You are about to be unhappy sat night!! :ihit

[ATRAIN]

Alright i agree to those terms.. And i'll agree to the same about you and say Stretch.. "Yeah A-Train has man love for Stretch"

Sig that up.. Hardy FTW.. :lol

LMAO bringing stretch into this is hilarious. You know all that will do is bring him in here, do you really want that??

[dbreiden83080]

LMAO bringing stretch into this is hilarious. You know all that will do is bring him in here, do you really want that??

Well how confident are you in Hardy? Yes we bring Stretch into this 30 day sig no backing out..

[ATRAIN]

Well how confident are you in Hardy? Yes we bring Stretch into this 30 day sig no backing out..

OK fine im down with that. Now if I win I want you to find the gayest GSP pics out there (we all know they exist with that fruit) and put in large Caption, I TOUCH MYSELF WHEN I THINK OF GSP!!

[desflood]

I sure can, yeah you might be right and I might be wrong but we can't rule that out. Reading doesnt have anything to do with it so not sure what you are trying to get at.
I'm just pointing out that anybody who can read above a 3rd grade level can indeed comprehend exactly what steroids and other agents used by athletes can do to the human body - even some that haven't been proven by studies yet.

Calm down, AT. I never implied that steroids couldn't possibly play a part in it, just that right now there are no implications that they have done so. There's enough room for both of us to be right on this one.

[desflood]

I TOUCH MYSELF WHEN I THINK OF GSP!!
Wow, wtf? :rollin

[dbreiden83080]

OK fine im down with that. Now if I win I want you to find the gayest GSP pics out there (we all know they exist with that fruit) and put in large Caption, I TOUCH MYSELF WHEN I THINK OF GSP!!

LMAO...

Okay deal.. Huge pic of a fat guy, with the sig

A-Train has massive Man-Love for Stretch for you..

Terms agreed upon done deal...

[ATRAIN]

I'm just pointing out that anybody who can read above a 3rd grade level can indeed comprehend exactly what steroids and other agents used by athletes can do to the human body - even some that haven't been proven by studies yet.

Calm down, AT. I never implied that steroids couldn't possibly play a part in it, just that right now there are no implications that they have done so. There's enough room for both of us to be right on this one.

Well I never said you were wrong :hat

[ATRAIN]

LMAO...

Okay deal.. Huge pic of a fat guy, with the sig

A-Train has massive Man-Love for Stretch for you..

Terms agreed upon done deal...

Deal, if I lose small price to pay

If I win, ITS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!

[polandprzem]

Jeeeez U guys and gals !!!

You made more posts in last 15 minutes then in previous month

[ATRAIN]

Jeeeez U guys and gals !!!

You made more posts in last 15 minutes then in previous month

Its cause ive been gone.

[CubanSucks]

:depressed x1000 woooooooow. This just absolutely blows. Unbelievable. I was looking forward to watching Fitch just as much as the championship fights. He's my favorite fighter. At least the replacement fight is an American vs a Brazilian. I always have someone to root for in those fights even if I don't know the fighters, like in this case

[dbreiden83080]

Deal, if I lose small price to pay

If I win, ITS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!

You know Hardy is like an 8-1 dog right?

[djohn14]

Here is a comment from his trainer. I got it from 411mania/mma

"Thiago is very disappointed. But he remains in good spirits and hopes to get back in the cage very quickly. Thiago will still be at his Q&A on Friday, and hopefully he'll be able to answer all the questions then. For now, Thiago just wants to apologize to all of his fans and let them know that he's fine and will be fighting again very soon."

[ATRAIN]

You know Hardy is like an 8-1 dog right?

LOL so because he is an 8-1 dog he is gonna lose. You know as well as anyone anything can happen in MMA. GSP might try a Van Damme split and pull his vag muscles and then lose the fight.

[dbreiden83080]

LOL so because he is an 8-1 dog he is gonna lose. You know as well as anyone anything can happen in MMA. GSP might try a Van Damme split and pull his vag muscles and then lose the fight.

He's gonna lose because he is not nearly as good a fighter as GSP, that's why he's gonna lose. Hardy's got nothing for GSP..

[dbreiden83080]

Here is a comment from his trainer. I got it from 411mania/mma

"Thiago is very disappointed. But he remains in good spirits and hopes to get back in the cage very quickly. Thiago will still be at his Q&A on Friday, and hopefully he'll be able to answer all the questions then. For now, Thiago just wants to apologize to all of his fans and let them know that he's fine and will be fighting again very soon."

Hopefully he gets through this okay..

[ATRAIN]

He's gonna lose because he is not nearly as good a fighter as GSP, that's why he's gonna lose. Hardy's got nothing for GSP..

Its gonna be sweet when I rub salt in that wound!!!

[dbreiden83080]

Its gonna be sweet when I rub salt in that wound!!!

You'll be sucking Stretch's ding dong in no time..

[dbreiden83080]

Whoa check this out...

@FitchFighter just announced on his twitter page that the UFC has found a replacement and will fight on Saturday....

And now just announced on his facebook page

I've got a fight. Ben stepped up, much respect!

Jon Fitch vs Ben Saunders

Alves out Fitch Fighting Late Replacement
__________________

Cool if true..

[polandprzem]

Wtf?

[polandprzem]

They pulled off Ellenberger?

[dbreiden83080]

They pulled off Ellenberger?

Probably know by tonight 100% what's going on..

[ATRAIN]

:lmao




You'll be sucking Stretch's ding dong in no time..

:lmao

[dbreiden83080]

Train pick the main card fights here

Get back in the game..

[polandprzem]

What pussies are predicting undecards?

:madrun

[dbreiden83080]

Hours after learning opponent Thiago Alves failed a CT scan and was scratched from the card, his opponent, Jon Fitch (21-3 MMA, 11-1 UFC), has agreed to replace Jake Ellenberger (22-5 MMA, 1-1 UFC) and fight fellow welterweight Ben Saunders (8-1 MMA, 4-1 UFC) on the UFC 111 pay-per-view main card.

Multiple sources today confirmed with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) the change to Saturday's card, which takes place at the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J.

A source told MMAjunkie.com said Saunders specifically asked for the new bout when Fitch became available.

Ellenberger has been promised his "show" and "win" money to make up for the UFC's last-minute switch, we're told.

An official announcement is expected any time now from the UFC.

Fitch and Alves were scheduled to fight in a featured UFC 111 bout with potential title implications. The duo first met in 2007, when Fitch defeated Alves. However, an irregularity in a pre-fight CT prompted the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board understandably to err on the side of caution and nix the rematch. As we reported earlier today, Alves' agent, Malki Kawa of First Round Management, said the fighter doesn't have any serious injuries or ailments and hopes to return at UFC 112 in April.

Fitch looks for his fourth straight UFC win since a loss to UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre. Saunders, meanwhile, recently rebounded from his first career loss (to Mike Swick) with an impressive KO win over Marcus Davis.

[dbreiden83080]

Main Card

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy
Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jon Fitch
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek


Spike TV Card

Welterweight bout: Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown

[ATRAIN]

Train pick the main card fights here

Get back in the game..



:lol

well since you are playing an honest game ill do it

[dbreiden83080]

You know i am going to this event Train, so if i lose i got the whole ride home to think about it... :lol

[polandprzem]

main card

welterweight championship bout: georges st. Pierre (c) vs. Dan hardy
interim heavyweight championship bout: frank mir vs. Shane carwin
welterweight bout: Ben saunders vs. jon fitch
lightweight bout: jim miller vs. Mark bocek


spike tv card

welterweight bout: Ricardo almeida vs. matt brown <<<<<<-----


not main card

[dbreiden83080]

not main card

Neither is the fight that took it's place

In other words it's a bad fight..

You wanna extend to 6 fine i'll go 6 and pick it

[polandprzem]

Well manny main card fights are bad

[dbreiden83080]

Well manny main card fights are bad

You pick undercards all the time so why are you giving me shit about one change out of a 1,000 cards i pick? I only changed it because of the Alves injury. Did i pick all the main card fights for this event, before that

Yes i did

[polandprzem]

Damn I was waiting for that Alves - Fitch fight very much :cry

I wonder if Fitch will win he gonna get title shot ... If not him then who? Paulo Thiago?

[polandprzem]

You pick undercards all the time so why are you giving me shit about one change out of a 1,000 cards i pick? I only changed it because of the Alves injury

It's all l O'right

[dbreiden83080]

Damn I was waiting for that Alves - Fitch fight very much :cry
?

So was I, especially since i'll be there. Saunders and Fitch is good too

[djohn14]

Damn I was waiting for that Alves - Fitch fight very much :cry

I wonder if Fitch will win he gonna get title shot ... If not him then who? Paulo Thiago?
Fitch would get the rematch if he won. Then Paulo would probably next in line...maybe needs one more big win.

[dbreiden83080]

Forum is jumping today boys i love it...

[polandprzem]

So was I, especially since i'll be there. Saunders and Fitch is good too

It's good and Saunders last victory was impressive. I wonder how Fitch will look. His last few bouts were rather boring without fresh air. It seems like Fitch did not made a big progress.

[ATRAIN]

Forum is jumping today with boys, i love it...

Yeah we know you do........oh by the way fixed it for ya :lol

[polandprzem]

lol

I want a crush

[dbreiden83080]

Oh Stretch, your an animal

:lol

[ATRAIN]

lol

I want a crush

Well you cant have GSP cause DB will scratch and pull your hair (basically fight like a bitch lol)

How about Dan "the future champ" Hardy??

[dbreiden83080]

Well you cant have GSP cause DB will scratch and pull your hair (basically fight like a bitch lol)

How about Dan "the future champ" Hardy??

:lol

Your too much Train....


Here is the Pre-Fight press conference..

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/03/24/ufc-111-pre-fight-press-conference-video/

[ATRAIN]

I havent picked a MMA man crush since Arlovski left :depressed

[ATRAIN]

Hey DB got something for your Stretch comeback

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd133/faceblaster/gsp_performance-1.png

[dbreiden83080]

I havent picked a MMA man crush since Arlovski left :depressed

What about Page.. I got that cool figure BTW..


http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CRDS104lg.jpg

10 bucks..

[djohn14]

I have a few MMA crushes....Cain, Jon Jones, and Gegard Mousasi

[ATRAIN]

I have a few MMA crushes....Cain, Jon Jones, and Gegard Mousasi

So you want that "Brown Pride" in you?

[ATRAIN]

What about Page.. I got that cool figure BTW..


http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CRDS104lg.jpg

10 bucks..

Thats pretty freaking SWEET!! Page was never a man crush. I mean he is black and that means he is too bookoo

[djohn14]

So you want that "Brown Pride" in you?

Hell yeah boy!

[dbreiden83080]

white mormon Pride..

[CubanSucks]

If Dan Hardy wins and Jon Fitch wins, then I think Fitch needs another title shot. If GSP wins, how bout Paulo although that wouldn't be fair to Fitch and probably be pretty bad considering since Fitch dominated him with wrestling GSP would probably toss him around like a ragdoll

[dbreiden83080]

If Dan Hardy wins and Jon Fitch wins, then I think Fitch needs another title shot. If GSP wins, how bout Paulo although that wouldn't be fair to Fitch and probably be pretty bad considering since Fitch dominated him with wrestling GSP would probably toss him around like a ragdoll

There's a lot of Bad blood between Hardy and Koscheck so if he gets bye Daley than that would be the fight for Hardy in his 1st defense i would think..

[CubanSucks]

There's a lot of Bad blood between Hardy and Koscheck so if he gets bye Daley than that would be the fight for Hardy in his 1st defense i would think..

oooooooh nice I like it. Hardy can get the AKA trio. First Swick (I'd rather not remember), then Kos, and THEN Fitch

[djohn14]

Daley is going to KO Koscheck

[dbreiden83080]

Daley is going to KO Koscheck

Daley/Hardy maybe or he gets GSP..

[desflood]

I TOUCH MYSELF WHEN I THINK OF GSP!!


You'll be sucking Stretch's ding dong in no time..


lol

I want a crush


I have a few MMA crushes....Cain, Jon Jones, and Gegard Mousasi


So you want that "Brown Pride" in you?


I mean he is black and that means he is too bookoo
This has turned into the biggest, brightest, most flamingly homosexual mma thread ever in the history of combat sports.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[dbreiden83080]

This has turned into the biggest, brightest, most flamingly homosexual mma thread ever in the history of combat sports.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

See you say i have this bad temper but i am actually a very good sport. People rag on me about GSP all the time and i take it in good fun. Sig bet whatever, i am game. I'm funner than you give me credit for Des.. :hat

[desflood]

I didn't say you always have a bad temper.

[desflood]

So, have I got this right?

Georges St. Pierre vs. Dan Hardy
Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Ben Saunders vs. Jon Fitch
Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek
Kurt Pellegrino vs. Fabricio Camoes

[dbreiden83080]

I think that's it

[The TroutBum]

white mormon Pride..

Quoted for fucking TRUTH!



I can't wait to watch GSP ass rape that dung bag, and I can't wait to watch Mir break Carwin's arm.

I <3 Mir.

[dbreiden83080]

7cYWYT7JC-A&feature=sub

[The TroutBum]

7cYWYT7JC-A&feature=sub

The only thing I kept thinking was, "Dude, you're a millionaire, why do you still have the FREE Verizon Flip Phone from 2004?"

[djohn14]

Dana White tells TMZ that the irregularity found in Thiago Alves' recent CAT scan may have been a mistake, adding that CAT scans can sometimes be "inaccurate."

"I'm hoping it's a mistake and he can continue to fight ... he's one of the best fighters in the world."

White added that Alves seems fine and that he even texted him an apology for causing last-minute drama. White plans to have Alves see other specialists for clarification.


411mania/mma

[dbreiden83080]

Djohn looks your boy Bones Jones has as much man love for GSP as i do.. :lol

"I think Georges is going to annihilate Dan Hardy. He's hungry, he's focused, he's a great champion for a reason. Dan Hardy, he has lot of experience and everything but I just don't think he's ready for Georges St-Pierre. I don't think anyone in the world at 170 (pounds) is ready for Georges St-Pierre."

"He's just an amazing individual," said the 22-year-old Jones, who trains with GSP. "He does everything right and he's a blueprint for a young guy like me, of where to be, what to do, how to get there.

"He eats really healthy after practice, he trains three times a day, (even) when he has no fight near. He treats everyone he meets with respect, he's like the king of Montreal. Going out with him, everyone says hello, everyone's like all over him and he finds time to at least give a smile if he can't stop, at every single person. He inspires me so much.

"Between the people that endorsed him and all that, he's just exactly what I want to be, I mean I don't want to fight like him, I have my own style, but outside the Octagon and his image, is just beautiful. He inspires me to do the best I can outside the Octagon."

http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=315539

Jones burst on the scene so fast i am just now starting to really come around on his ability and his personality. Dude has what it takes to be champ and a great champ for a long time..

[djohn14]

Djohn looks your boy Bones Jones has as much man love for GSP as i do.. :lol

"I think Georges is going to annihilate Dan Hardy. He's hungry, he's focused, he's a great champion for a reason. Dan Hardy, he has lot of experience and everything but I just don't think he's ready for Georges St-Pierre. I don't think anyone in the world at 170 (pounds) is ready for Georges St-Pierre."

"He's just an amazing individual," said the 22-year-old Jones, who trains with GSP. "He does everything right and he's a blueprint for a young guy like me, of where to be, what to do, how to get there.

"He eats really healthy after practice, he trains three times a day, (even) when he has no fight near. He treats everyone he meets with respect, he's like the king of Montreal. Going out with him, everyone says hello, everyone's like all over him and he finds time to at least give a smile if he can't stop, at every single person. He inspires me so much.

"Between the people that endorsed him and all that, he's just exactly what I want to be, I mean I don't want to fight like him, I have my own style, but outside the Octagon and his image, is just beautiful. He inspires me to do the best I can outside the Octagon."

http://www.tsn.ca/mma/story/?id=315539

Jones burst on the scene so fast i am just now starting to really come around on his ability and his personality. Dude has what it takes to be champ and a great champ for a long time..

Hey, what can I say...hes a smart guy. Georges is a helluva guy to model yourself after. Jones has the "it" factor to be a Georges St. Pierre or an Anderson Silva type champion. One when he steps in the octagon...you dont expect him to lose. He is explosive as can be, he is very fast and athletic, and he has very good wrestling. But thats not the scary part. The scary part is he is 22 years old, has his head on straight, loves competition, and loves to train and longs to get better at every facet of the game. I give him 2 years...by then he is holding the championship and is in the position Georges and Anderson are in now. Hes going to clear out his division...and 205 is the hardest division to clear out with all that talent. Mark my words though, he will clear it out.

[dbreiden83080]

I wonder what Shad thinks of Jones being in his camp?? We know he wants another crack at the belt, but Jones is on a fast track to a title shot after that Vera dessimation. If Jones gets bye another top 205 er easily, i say give him the shot. He's young but damn he looks ready..

[djohn14]

I wonder what Shad thinks of Jones being in his camp?? We know he wants another crack at the belt, but Jones is on a fast track to a title shot after that Vera dessimation. If Jones gets bye another top 205 er easily, i say give him the shot. He's young but damn he looks ready..

He sure does look ready. Who do you have dbreiden...Shad or Page?

[dbreiden83080]

He sure does look ready. Who do you have dbreiden...Shad or Page?

I was worried about Page's mental state a month or so back, he seemed out of it and disinterested in fighting but with the news of a new deal for him i think he is back on track. He is my boy also at 205, i love the guy and i don't see Shad getting past an in shape ready Page. He loves Grudge matches and he'll bring the fire..


Page by KO, Round 2 nighty night...

[djohn14]

I was worried about Page's mental state a month or so back, he seemed out of it and disinterested in fighting but with the news of a new deal for him i think he is back on track. He is my boy also at 205, i love the guy and i don't see Shad getting past an in shape ready Page. He loves Grudge matches and he'll bring the fire..


Page by KO, Round 2 nighty night...

Yeah, thats pretty much what I was thinking. As long as Rampage comes in in shape and ready to fight then he should win it.

[CubanSucks]

Anyone know where I can watch the weigh ins?

[dbreiden83080]

Anyone know where I can watch the weigh ins?

They are up

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm

[desflood]

I'm changing my pick to Carwin. Frank looks a bit out of shape again and his cardio has always been suspect.

[dallaskd]

Welterweight Championship bout: Georges St. Pierre (c) vs. Dan Hardy
Interim Heavyweight Championship bout: Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Jake Ellenberger
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Lightweight bout: Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek

[dbreiden83080]

Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves


Alves is out, Saunders is in fighting Fitch..

[Stringer_Bell]

I'm changing my pick to Carwin. Frank looks a bit out of shape again and his cardio has always been suspect.

IMO, Frank actually looks leaner than his last fight. His cardio won't be a problem, this probably isn't going passed the 2nd round.

To Carwin's credit, he's not as small as I thought.

[djohn14]

IMO, Frank actually looks leaner than his last fight. His cardio won't be a problem, this probably isn't going passed the 2nd round.

To Carwin's credit, he's not as small as I thought.

Yeah, Frank looked to be in pretty good shape IMO

[cornbread]

GSP
Mir
Saunders
Fitch
Toquinho

[dbreiden83080]

Guys remember it's Saunders and Fitch with Alves out..

[cornbread]

Doh! Scratch the Fitch prediction and add in Miller.

[polandprzem]

Guys remember it's Saunders and Fitch with Alves out..

okay girl

[polandprzem]

we've got a time change - hopefully I'm setting the alarm clock correctly :D

hopefully my cellphone does not have a timechanging function ... it shouldn't cause it's cell phone from the previous millenium

[dbreiden83080]

okay girl

Uh okay

[polandprzem]

I need a woman sometimes ...

[dbreiden83080]

I'm off to the event

Enjoy the fights guys..

[dbreiden83080]

I need a woman sometimes ...

Try Mail Order Bride..

[CubanSucks]

Goin to work then heading straight to the theater. :ihit:ihit PEACE!

[cornbread]

okay girl

DB was just looking out for posters like myself who struggle with reading comprehension. No worries.

[polandprzem]

does anyone by chance have a link to this fight?:toast


Or does everyone pay for this?

i need one toooooo

[redzero]

Fitch is the MMA equivalent of the San Antonio Spurs.

[cornbread]

check your private messages:toast

You got a link adam?

[cornbread]

Anybody have a link?

[cornbread]

you rock!

[redzero]

Somebody call an amberlamps for Mir.

[resistanze]

Murdered!

[resistanze]

I like how my stream gave way and I missed it live, though.

[cornbread]

That was a beatdown.

[polandprzem]

Super that exactly when Carwin Mir action heppened stream went down /... fuck

[Stringer_Bell]

Fitch is the MMA equivalent of the San Antonio Spurs.

My thoughts exactly, all he needs is at least one title.

Carwin is for real, punched right through Mir's attempts to block against the cage, KO'd Mir twice before he hit the ground. Brock is HUGE, the unification fight is David vs Goliath...except David is packing canned hams as strong as Goliath.

Now time for the main event! :toast

[resistanze]

Hardy might wanna stop smiling :lol

[redzero]

Hardy is in survival mode.

[djohn14]

GSP uses steroids....no doubt lol

[polandprzem]

Serra did not teached him right


























lol

[Stringer_Bell]

What was up with the "no passing" strategy from Jackson? I don't understand it and I feel like GSP could have finished this in the 4th.

Props to Hardy for taking his beating like a man.

PS: Maybe Mir will fight Big Nog again now? Or maybe Cain, since it looks like Carwin will be ready for Brock in the Summer?

[desflood]

Once again Miragliotta proves to be one of the worst refs in mma. There was no reason for Mir to take so much unnecessary punishment.

Dan Hardy won over a lot of fans tonight. That's a never-say-die attitude.

I underestimated Batman. I figured he would have a lot more difficulty handling Camoes' bjj than he actually did.

[The TroutBum]

I'm so fucking pissed right now, I can't even think straight. What a tremendous let down. That's two in a row that Mir just sat there and took punches to the face. Nice defense/heart, you shit bag.

I love you, dog, but that was pathetic. Way to talk shit for months and months, and now you don't even get a chance to back it up. WHAT A FUCKING DISAPPOINTMENT!

[polandprzem]

Okay, so I had a chance now to watch the mir fight.

Mir is better but he could not get away from the power of Carwin against the cage. Acually same strategy that brock came up with. Shut down techniqe not agaist the ground but now against the cage and shit Carwin got power in that short punches ! If he can land one of his shots to Brock it's ova' Brock will need to change the battle into a wrestling game with him dictating the tempo and be ofensive. Otherwise Carwin will be too much.

When Mir was dropped he tried to go for an arm. Maybe if he would be more conscious he would try to take Carwin into his guard, but I think it would not help much at this point. Mirs boxing skills are better then Carwins, but Shane knew it I guess and put himself into his most comfortable position

Miragliotta is really bad ref. Nice person but bad ref. How can you be afected by crowds boos?
It will come to the point where the crowd would dictade where they want the fight to be.




GSP - fantastic performance. watching GSP is pleasure, and this fight was all I wanted to see. Well maybe some Hardy blood and a sub or a knockout to Hardy. But George was relentless. His takedowns are the best in the game. He taken down people that were the best in takedown defense.
Hardys joints - wow dudes.


Drwal - what a mistake! But what the fuck Palhares was thinking to keep spinning the leg?! It was tapped out long earlier. Hopefully Drwal is okay, and hopefully he will win his next fight. Shit damn.

[dbreiden83080]

Just got back from the fights, good event overall wish my seats had been a little better..

Crushing loss for Mir, mentally not sure where he goes from here. Could be a tough road back.. He put everything he had into this win and a showdown with Brock and he was flattened by Carwin tonight. The extra muscle did not help at all when faced with another big heavyweight that could move him around that cage.

GSP/Hardy was a good performance by GSP but even i was not blown away by it. GSP i don't get why he was trying to sub Hardy so much. After he didn't tap to that brutal armbar, in the 2nd he needed to just focus on GNP and let it go more on the feet. That should not have gone the distance, by GSP standards not a great performance.. The guy is so great maybe even his biggest fans are expecting a little too much from him anymore. I am amazed i am saying it but he really should have take a few more risks tonight. Hardy is very tough that is for sure..

That said bust out your Stretch Sig A-Train.. :lol

[CubanSucks]

Fitch is the MMA equivalent of the San Antonio Spurs.

:lmao:toast

Holy crap I thought I was on to something when I thought of this. I'm so glad I'm not the only one that noticed. My favorite fighter is parallel to my favorite basketball team. It's really a shame for Fitch however that GSP is the 2.0 version of him. Such a damn good wrestler who happens to be in the same weight class as THE best wrestler. :depressed

At this point it seems GSP has to fight another weight. I can't see ANYONE in welterweight beating him. If Matt Hughes looks good he will be the only one I'd give a chance.

I'm now a Dan Hardy fan. First of all, I never wanted to admit but I've always loved his style. The bandana, the mohawk, the cool mouthpiece, go ahead and make fun but I think it's fucking awesome. I also LOVED how he was just drinkin a monster right after the fight :lmao And now that he got humbled I don't feel too bad admiting he's a fucking badass

[polandprzem]

Mir now needs to evaluate his mental approach.

It's tough cause people liket to critisize fighter. damn they are working frickin hard and a loss is already tough thing to swallow when you have big expectations and demand from yourself.


GSP was great but I think in the stand up he also had an adventage. The problem was that Hardy has a KO power so GSP avoided it.
GSP does not have brutal g&p he is not finisher there.

[dbreiden83080]

Mir now needs to evaluate his mental approach.

It's tough cause people liket to critisize fighter. damn they are working frickin hard and a loss is already tough thing to swallow when you have big expectations and demand from yourself.


GSP was great but I think in the stand up he also had an adventage. The problem was that Hardy has a KO power so GSP avoided it.
GSP does not have brutal g&p he is not finisher there.

GSP has tremendous GNP when he lets it go. He massacred BJ in RDs 2, 3 and 4 with his GNP till they threw in the towel. Tough to GNP anyone out with such a good chin like Hardy but GSP wasted far too much time going for subs in this fight i thought..

[polandprzem]

GSP has tremendous GNP when he lets it go. He massacred BJ in RDs 2, 3 and 4 with his GNP till they threw in the towel. Tough to GNP anyone out with such a good chin like Hardy but GSP wasted far too much time going for subs in this fight i thought..

Well BJ is smaller and still all 3 rounds with GSP g&p BJ was not finished.
I'm talking about putting the guys away

[dbreiden83080]

Well BJ is smaller and still all 3 rounds with GSP g&p BJ was not finished.
I'm talking about putting the guys away

Yeah i know i mean he can put guys away with GNP or at least beat them up so they are more open for subs or finishes on the feet. GSP for whatever reason fell in love with taking the back and trying to pull off an arm sub.

[polandprzem]

btw. that was a great card. Almeida impressed me a lot in his firts cut to 170
Pellegrino as well had a great fight

Shit what a D by Jim Miller against Bocek, but I think that the refs gave Miller homer vote on the 3rd.


btw2. Who gave 50-45 for GSP on the cards? easily 2 rounds were 10-8

[dbreiden83080]

btw2. Who gave 50-45 for GSP on the cards? easily 2 rounds were 10-8

Oh 100% agreed, i had it 50-43 Hardy was destroyed in RDs 2 and 4 like crazy..

[polandprzem]

Yeah i know i mean he can put guys away with GNP or at least beat them up so they are more open for subs or finishes on the feet. GSP for whatever reason fell in love with taking the back and trying to pull off an arm sub.

He can beat guys down but can land a KO punch, which is tough ofcourse esp. with this elite competition. He just do not that kind of power.

What's next?

Fitch?

Fitch will be outstiked and I think Jon cannot take GSP down - the only chance for him to win with GSP

And GSP is too small to go up to MW. Really Silva is 220pound monster

[angelbelow]

vicious vicious knock out by carwin

[The TroutBum]

I'm still bent.

The only good thing I see coming out of this is the emergence of respect that I have for Carwin now. Before this fight, I wouldn't have given him a snowballs chance to beat ANYONE in the HW division worth a damn, but after this ass raping, I think he'll give Crock a run for his money.

Also, I love the fact that he refused to get into a shit-talking battle with Crock. Crock: "That's a fake belt, yada yada"
Carwin: "Ya, I know."

Sick burn, bro. I lol'd.

[polandprzem]

Carwin is a guy who does his thing, he needs no fuel out of shit-talking.

[Soul_Patch]

I predicted the Carwin win months ago. I am glad i was right, i really think Mir is/has been overrated for a while. I hope he knocks Brock's lights out.

Carwin is a freaking monster.


I always liked Dan Hardy, i didn't give him a chance to beat GSP at this point, but i liked him as a fighter. His performance last night cemented me as a fan. He was able to compartmentalize the pain on those sub attempts, and overcome, you could see him will it away and just work through it, impressive. Against any other fighter, that would have been enough to demoralize the opponent and swing the momentum. Give him another year or so, and he will be an elite fighter.

[djohn14]

So yeah...once again...GSP on roids

[Blackjack]

Part-time fighter Carwin making it look easy (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AmWSuLwtxjY5eQuI5Cf0o4w9Eo14?slug=ki-carwin032810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports


NEWARK, N.J. – If Shane Carwin keeps this up, he’s going to give mixed martial arts a bad name.

This is the sport that takes a lifetime to master. It requires hours upon hours of daily training. It humbles even the greatest of athletes and the strongest of men.

You don’t do MMA as a side job and win championships against the best in the world.

At least, that was the conventional wisdom before Carwin came along and blew that school of thought to bits.

Carwin still holds down a full-time job as an engineer and is a married father of a newborn daughter. That’s plenty to make the average man weary at the end of a lengthy day. When other men are calling it a day, however, is when Carwin is just beginning.

On Saturday in the co-main event of UFC 111 at the Prudential Center, he showed he’s pretty good at his side job, too.

He needed just three minutes, 48 seconds of the first round to obliterate Frank Mir, as he had his 11 previous opponents, to claim the interim UFC heavyweight title and earn the right to face champion Brock Lesnar at UFC 116 on July 3.

Carwin had never gone beyond 2:11 in any of his previous professional bouts, and he entered Saturday’s fight with Mir hounded by skeptics.

He was quizzed about his conditioning and whether he’d be able to go deep into a fight with Mir. None of his 11 victims, save for Gabriel Gonzaga, could compare to the who’s who of MMA stars that Mir had beaten, so many suggested Carwin was in over his head.

Mir’s jiu-jitsu is deadly and his boxing very technical, and there are many who believed he was too complete and too gifted for Carwin.

A few left uppercuts and a couple of hard punches on the ground, though, left Mir in a heap and pushed Carwin to the tippy top of a suddenly loaded heavyweight division.

He overpowered Mir just like he’d overpowered so many others. He may not have been technical, but he sure was effective.

“The plan was to push Frank up against the fence and dirty box him,” Carwin said. “I’m kind of mean and aggressive there. We worked on that all camp, just getting him to the fence and beating him up and trying to take him into the later rounds.”

Mir took Carwin longer than he’d ever been before, but he did little offensively. And none of that surprised the man who had beaten Mir for the title at UFC 100. Lesnar was seated at ringside and smirked when he watched Mir pull himself off the canvas.

He was confident he’d be facing Carwin, and the way the fight played out confirmed his suspicions.

“I kind of figured Shane was going to win, though I know anything can happen in this sport,” Lesnar said. “I was kind of laying back and I didn’t want to count any chickens before they hatched. Shane’s a tough guy and I just know that Frank’s time is done. This is the new evolution of the heavyweight division. Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez, Junior dos Santos, we’re the guys in this division.”

Neither Lesnar nor Carwin is too thrilled that Carwin won an interim championship. The bout was made for the interim title while Lesnar was sidelined by diverticulitis, an illness that forced him to pull out of a bout with Carwin slated for UFC 106 last November.

After the bout was signed, it was deemed that it would be for the interim belt. UFC president Dana White didn’t feel it was right to withdraw recognition after the fight had been made and Lesnar had announced his return.

Though Carwin lugged the belt to the post-fight news conference, he knows he needs another win before he can truly call himself the champion.

“Brock’s the champion,” Carwin said, graciously.

Lesnar praised Carwin’s performance and said he was happy Mir didn’t win so he didn’t have to fight the same man a third time. Lesnar is 4-1 and if he would have met Mir again, it would have been his third fight with Mir in six career fights.

Carwin put an end to that by blowing Mir out. While that earned Lesnar’s partial respect, he wasn’t going too far.

“This belt thing, well, hopefully he enjoys the moment,” Lesnar said, grinning, as Carwin posed a few feet away in the cage for photographers. “He should enjoy the win over Frank, but he has to realize that I’m the heavyweight champion. Everybody knows that. Good for him winning that fake belt.

“I had to pull out against him last fall and I didn’t feel good about that. But I couldn’t fight a guy like that if I wasn’t in the best shape of my life. I had to do what I had to do.”

Carwin did what he had to do as well, setting up what figures to be one of the UFC’s biggest pay-per-views ever.

Lesnar said he’s healthy and able to fight in July, and Carwin came out of the event without a scratch.

Fans love heavyweights, particularly heavyweights who can punch. UFC president Dana White knows he’s sitting on a gold mine with a Lesnar-Carwin bout upcoming, particularly as he puts together a highlight reel of their knockouts.

He said Carwin should have ended any doubts about his qualifications to fight for the belt by decimating a fighter as talented and respected as Mir.

“Shane finished Frank Mir very quickly tonight,” White said. “There isn’t a person in this room or at home watching on television who wasn’t blown away by Frank’s last performance. If you thought Frank Mir was going to win the fight, you said, ‘Yeah, he’ll probably beat Cheick Kongo,’ but you didn’t think he was going to drop him in the standup. Nobody did. Nobody expected that to happen. He dropped him and went over and submitted him and Frank Mir looked unstoppable.

“He was in great shape tonight, but Shane Carwin went out there and stopped him, easily. He finished Frank Mir in the first round tonight, like all those other fights, and you’re out of your mind if you don’t think that Shane has a chance against Brock Lesnar.”

He clearly has a chance against Lesnar, which should thrill the thousands of MMA fans who have made Lesnar the man they love to hate.

Speaking of hate, though, some of his peers may begin to hate on Carwin if he wins the outright title while holding down a day job, raising a young family and training in his spare time.

He’s making them all look bad by beating guys like Mir and Gonzaga as essentially a part-time fighter.

If he does the same to Lesnar, UFC lightweight champion B.J. Penn may have to share his nickname, “The Prodigy,” with Carwin.

“I do this because I love to do it, not because I have to do it,” Carwin said. “That makes a huge difference.”

[Blackjack]

St. Pierre’s standards are above and beyond (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AkBIGaf1AxlcuVU55wxEBM9XEo14?slug=dm-gsp032810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
By Dave Meltzer, Yahoo! Sports


NEWARK, N.J. – Nobody left particularly happy after Georges St. Pierre’s retained his Ultimate Fighting Championship welterweight title with a domination of Dan Hardy in the main event of Saturday night’s UFC 111.

St. Pierre wasn’t happy, even after winning five straight rounds to extend his UFC record to 25 straight-round victories dating back nearly three years.

He came in with a plan to take the fight down to the ground, and win via submission. The first part of his game plan was flawless. The second wasn’t.

St. Pierre had a few close opportunities to finish, most notably an armbar in the first round and a Kimura in the fourth round.

But a combination of what St. Pierre said was a minor technical flaw in the application of the moves, and the guts of Hardy in refusing to tap when things appeared bleak, saw the British star survive to the final horn, losing on scores of 50-43, 50-44 and 50-45.

“I was disappointed in my performance,” said St. Pierre (20-2). “I tried to finish him with an armbar and a Kimura. I forgot the technical application. I used an incorrect angle and the wrong leverage.”

Right after the fight, St. Pierre (ever the perfectionist) went straight to his Jiu Jitsu coach and asked what was wrong. He was told the mistakes he made, and said he would never make them again. He noted that in training, people would tap out to those moves right away to avoid injury, but in a fight, the mentality is different, and people will fight to the end to escape.

Hardy (23-7, 1 no-contest), for his part, couldn’t have been happy to be in a fight in which he was heavily booed by the pro-St. Pierre crowd. Still, Hardy, a native of Nottingham, England, won praise for his survival ability and and was still fighting his heart out in round five. But he got almost no offense in for 25 minutes.

Hardy expected to be taken down, but he was able to get to his feet and then tried implementing a stand-up game, where he believed he had the edge.

It didn’t happen. St. Pierre took him down at will, ten times in ten attempts over five rounds. The few times Hardy got back up, or got a momentary positional advantage in the case St. Pierre missed on a submission attempt, St. Pierre would immediately get out of trouble and take him right back down.

The crowd of about 17,000 fans, which paid a gate of $4 million at the Prudential Center, reacted more to seeing the popular St. Pierre fight and less so because the fight was all that exciting.

Arguably UFC’s most popular fighter, St. Pierre was heavily cheered throughout the first three rounds, but in the fourth, when St. Pierre opened the round with another takedown, the crowd groaned. When he opened the fifth round with another takedown, the move was greeted with a smattering of boos, likely the first for St. Pierre since he became one of the sport’s megastars.

UFC president Dana White conceded that the reaction of people watching on pay-per-view wasn’t positive.

“My twitter account was burning up and people weren’t happy,” said White. “They were saying we wanted to see a fight, not an amateur wrestling match.”

White said he didn’t agree, noting that this was mixed martial arts and the object is to exploit weaknesses, and Hardy’s takedown defense was a weakness. He said St. Pierre’s game plan wasn’t to stand and trade, something St. Pierre, who always looks at fights like a mathematical equation, later confirmed.

“I take the fight where I have the highest percentage chance of winning,” said St. Pierre. “Even though I think I could beat Dan Hardy in a stand-up, that is his strength. He’s weaker on the ground so my game plan was to take it there.”

But he admitted frustration at his inability to finish with a submission on the ground.

“When you go in looking for a submission, you often don’t get it. I’m stronger than I was and went to physically force a submission and I didn’t use the correct technique.”

The night was supposed to be a showcase for the welterweight division because St. Pierre was defending, and the consensus No. 2 and No. 3 fighters, Jon Fitch and Thiago Alves, were scheduled to battle for what would have likely been the next title shot. Fitch and Alves both had previous shots at St. Pierre, going the distance but losing five straight rounds as part of his streak.

Alves, though, had a medical issue come up in an MRI of his brain on Wednesday, and was not cleared to fight.

Fitch (25-3, 1 no contest) won a 30-27 decision over replacement fighter Ben Saunders (8-2-2). Similar to St. Pierre, Fitch won a match in which he mostly took Saunders down, although he had to fight harder than St. Pierre to get his takedowns.

Fitch smothered Saunders on the ground in what was also not a crowd-pleasing performance.

Unlike St. Pierre, who has so much star power the audience stayed interested in a one-sided match, Fitch did not get the same benefit from the crowd, which lost interest as the fight went on.

Fears regarding Alves’ future as a fighter were alleviated after he saw a specialist on Friday in New York. He will be undergoing a minor surgical procedure on Wednesday, will be able to train two weeks later and is expected to be able to fight soon.

White notes Fitch vs. Alves could still take place, depending on the schedule. Fitch, at the post-fight press conference, immediately threw his name into the hat for a rematch.

“I’m 12-1 in the UFC, with one loss to GSP,” he said. “I’ve won four straight. I wish they would have been finishers. But I’m a much better fighter than when I fought Georges the first time [nearly two years ago].”

White responded, half jokingly, that if he wanted a title shot, he should fight Josh Koscheck, his teammate and training partner at the San Jose, Calif., based American Kickboxing Academy. Fitch said that wouldn’t happen.

“If we were to fight, it would be in the gym with the doors closed,” said Fitch.

“That’ll make a lot of money,” said White sarcastically in response.

Selling a St. Pierre-Fitch rematch would be difficult because after their first match, it wouldn’t be easy to sell the idea that Fitch could win.

“Every time it’s a different fight,” said St. Pierre, who disagreed with that assessment. “He’s improved. I’m a different fighter.”

But Fitch wouldn’t be alone. St. Pierre’s takedowns and ground control is so good that nobody who isn’t an excellent wrestler can stop him. Neither Fitch nor Matt Hughes could, and both are very good wrestlers.

Koscheck won a round from St. Pierre and was the last opponent to have a competitive match with him, a 2007 fight that St. Pierre won via unanimous decision. Stylistically, he would stand the best chance to at least make it a back-and-forth fight. And from a business standpoint, because of Koscheck’s personality, it would probably be the most successful match in the division as well.

Koscheck faces Paul Daley, a great striker, on May 8 in Montreal, in a match that could go either way. Daley, unfortunately, has similar strengths and weaknesses as Hardy. Daley may be a better stand-up fighter than either St. Pierre or Hardy, but a St. Pierre vs. Daley match figures to go almost identical to Saturday’s fight.

[Blackjack]

$65,000 bonuses at UFC 11 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AlvJSTpzwvpiIHzLGRLwk22MFI14?slug=ys-mmaweek032810&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)1
By Ken Pishna/MMAWeekly.com

The Ultimate Fighting Championship returned to the East Coast on Saturday for UFC 111, featuring two title fights before a raucous crowd at The Prudential Center in Newark, N.J.

Shane Carwin not only walked away with the interim UFC heavyweight title and a shot at current champion Brock Lesnar’s title in July, he also earned the Knockout of the Night bonus of $65,000.

He devastated former champion Frank Mir with uppercuts, dropping him to the mat, before following him down with several more blows that ended the fight in devastating fashion.

Lightweight contender Kurt Pellegrino racked up his fourth straight victory by submitting Fabricio Camoes at UFC 111. He escaped a near submission in the early moments of the fight, but turned the tide and cinched on a fight ending rear naked choke on the Royler Gracie trained Camoes in round two. The submission scored him a $65,000 bonus check of his own for Submission of the Night.

The Fight of the Night went to two upstarts in the promotion, Jared Hamman and Rodney Wallace, who battled it out on the preliminary portion of the fight card. The two put on an exciting back and forth battle with Hamman using his striking to edge out a unanimous decision. However, Hamman and Wallace each go home with an extra $65,000 for their efforts.

[dbreiden83080]

Being in the crowd last night some booing did go on. In Round 1 when GSP had that armbar and looked like it was going to be over the whole Prudential Center was going apeshit. But yes by the 4th they were getting a little restless about the takedowns. I agree with that article that GSP may be setting impossible standards for himself. He is my favorite fighter of all time and i found myself a little confused by some of his tactics with Hardy. But he dominated and was never in danger of being beat of even hurt. One thing i will say is that Hardy did not do, what he said he was going to do on the feet. He said he was going to not worry about the takedown and let it go hard on the feet every shot he got. Not one exchange did Hardy let it go with bad intentions..

[polandprzem]

Umm, the fans in america are really not that great when I'm looking at UFC

All that booing ? What's that? That are not real fans who are booing GSP when he is fighting pretty phenomenal.

[polandprzem]

Damn I even getting pissed. That was one of the best cards ever and the viewers were booing and are not satisfied. And they dare to twitt at Dana that the card was no good ?

what

the

fuck

?

[dbreiden83080]

Damn I even getting pissed. That was one of the best cards ever and the viewers were booing and are not satisfied. And they dare to twitt at Dana that the card was no good ?

what

the

fuck

?

People were drunk off their ass in the crowd and fans are just whiners by nature..

[Stringer_Bell]

He is my favorite fighter of all time and i found myself a little confused by some of his tactics with Hardy.

Rounds 3-4, his corner said not to pass, rain down from the top, and wait to GnP in the last 10 seconds. Round 5, his corner told him to wait until the last 30 seconds to pass and then GnP. I was kind of confused too, but maybe they respected Hardy's stand up so much they felt it was better to not even take a chance letting him get to his feet. As a previous fan of Hardy, I was dissappointed in his performance, not cuz he got pwned, but because he didn't explode at any point.

That one ref that kept standing up legit ground fights could have gotten GSP tagged during the fight, lucky he got to work according to his gameplan without interference.

[dallaskd]

I dont think its possible to watch Fitch fight without falling asleep..

[dbreiden83080]

I dont think its possible to watch Fitch fight without falling asleep..

The crowd last night agreed with this

[dbreiden83080]

The storm has been brewing for a while. UFC president Dana White simply does not understand why teammates in the same weight class won't fight one another. The trio of welterweights from American Kickboxing Academy -- Mike Swick, Josh Koscheck and Jon Fitch -- have vowed to never fight each other. It's something that annoys White so when Fitch started stating his case for a rematch against welterweight champ Georges St. Pierre, the prez went on the attack.

"There's nothing more important to me than fighting for the title. I'm 12-1 in the UFC with one loss to GSP. I'm a better fighter than the first time we fought. And I want a title shot," said Fitch during the postfight press conference for UFC 111.

White responded by suggesting that Fitch should fight Koscheck next. When Fitch was asked if he was open to fighting his teammate for the No. 1 spot, he quickly said no.

"I guess he doesn't want the title shot that badly," said a smiling White.

Fitch joked that if the fight has to happen it'll be behind closed doors at the gym. White joked, "that'll make a lot of money."

White expanded on the whole teammate issue after the press conference.

"We're all friends and [expletive]," said White. "Like Jon said 'I want that title so bad.' Really? How bad do you want it?"

Because of their reluctance to fight one another, White also said it's a possibility both Koscheck and Fitch could get passed over for the next shot at GSP.

"There's no reason two guys can't go out and compete against each other to see who's better. It's over man, this whole 'we don't want to fight each other thing.' How long can it go on when you've got two top guys in the same division and they won't fight each other?"

All three AKA fighters have been ranked in the top 10 at 170 for much of the last two years. But since they won't fight each other they've had to face guys much lower in the rankings. Swick and Koscheck have both been victims of upsets and temporarily lost their shot at St. Pierre. Meanwhile, Fitch (22-3, 12-1 UFC) has looked lackluster against some lesser names. St. Pierre and Fitch squared off at UFC 87 with the Canadian picking up a lopsided win by decision.

When discussing the welterweight division and who gets GSP next, White teased the media a bit saying he was working on something concerning the May 8th fight at UFC 113 between Koscheck and Brit Paul Daley.

[cornbread]

I still can't believe Hardy actually pulled off the rolling armbar escape that Serra was teaching on the show.

[djohn14]

GSP is roided up like Barry Bonds

[angelbelow]

I dont really feel bad for Mir at all. his hype is self induced.

I respect him as a fighter and I actually think his stand up is better (shane just had a better gameplan) but his trash talking has gotten out of hand.

[The TroutBum]

I dont really feel bad for Mir at all. his hype is self induced.

I respect him as a fighter and I actually think his stand up is better (shane just had a better gameplan) but his trash talking has gotten out of hand.

Agreed. Dammit.

[djohn14]

Dammit Dbreiden Ive been trying to draw a response out of you since last night!

[dbreiden83080]

GSP is roided up like Barry Bonds

Nah he lacks the roid rage, the way he showed pity on Hardy last night..



Dammit Dbreiden Ive been trying to draw a response out of you since last night!

LOL, why? What about this fight has you fired up??

[BlackSwordsMan]

ufc 111 mastering the cage hugs

[djohn14]

LOL, why? What about this fight has you fired up??
Haha nothing really...but GSPs getting jacked. Maybe Ive just missed it in his last couple fights, but he looked bigger...and his neck...well he didnt really seem to have much of one. Maybe I was just too tired last night...but it looked like somebody was juiced up haha.

[Stringer_Bell]

Haha nothing really...but GSPs getting jacked. Maybe Ive just missed it in his last couple fights, but he looked bigger...and his neck...well he didnt really seem to have much of one. Maybe I was just too tired last night...but it looked like somebody was juiced up haha.

Really? I actually thought he looked a little smaller at the weigh ins than I remember him.

Also, Carwin's strategy was pretty damn genius. Wanna pound your opponent (make some nice imprints on his face), but not let him work his BJJ on the ground? Hold him against the cage and punch through his attempts at controlling your bicep! It's easier said than done, but Carwin did it pretty easily. I don't think Mir expected that at all, I sure didn't. :lol

[cool cat]

The Fight of the Night went to two upstarts in the promotion, Jared Hamman and Rodney Wallace, who battled it out on the preliminary portion of the fight card. The two put on an exciting back and forth battle with Hamman using his striking to edge out a unanimous decision. However, Hamman and Wallace each go home with an extra $65,000 for their efforts.

Not sure if it was fight of the night but it was one of the funniest fights I have ever seen. Hamman couldn't stay standing, he throw a kick and end up on his ass, and Wallace was so gassed after 2 mins I thought he was going to be the first fighter to pass out from exhaustion.

[CubanSucks]

I dont think its possible to watch Fitch fight without falling asleep..

Sure, if you don't know anything about wrestling. Just like a typical Suns fan (or in this case a mavs fan) you can't recognize greatness in anything but the ultimate highlight type of match. As Joe Rogan said during the fight in response to the boos, "that's just the meathead factor"

[The TroutBum]

Sure, if you don't know anything about wrestling. Just like a typical Suns fan (or in this case a mavs fan) you can't recognize greatness in anything but the ultimate highlight type of match. As Joe Rogan said during the fight in response to the boos, "that's just the meathead factor"

I agree w/ this to some extent. I was watching the fights with a group of 14, and I only knew 3 of the people there -- of course, there was this know-it-all douche nozzle who had to comment on everything, including how horrible GSP and Fitch are to watch, etc. That's fine, make a comment about it, but every single time a take down happened or it went to the clinch, he had to open his gob and spew that some old shit. I wanted to bash his face in.

That being said, I HATE watching Randy fight for the very reason I just bitched about. I suck.

[dbreiden83080]

200 plus replies on this thread


nice job guys...

[CubanSucks]

200 plus replies on this thread


nice job guys...

Damnit, when I saw you posted I figured it was a defense of Fitch's fighting style!

[dbreiden83080]

Damnit, when I saw you posted I figured it was a defense of Fitch's fighting style!

I love Fitch

He is delusional about fighting GSP again but i love who he is and the way he fights..

100% warrior...

[CubanSucks]

He is delusional about fighting GSP again

No one in the UFC at 170 has a chance right now. It would be like Ginobili goin up 1on1 against a bunch of high school kids

[desflood]

Somebody on Sherdog put up a haiku in tribute to Mir's loss:

Annihilation
Mir wakes up, face in canvas
Got to gain more weight

:rollin

[desflood]

No one in the UFC at 170 has a chance right now. It would be like Ginobili goin up 1on1 against a bunch of high school kids
We've got a host of completely dominant champs right now. Penn, Rush, Anderson... Machida can be beaten, obviously, but now that he's been shown his weakness he'll patch that up and Shogun will have to find a new one. Carwin looked impressive, but I'm not convinced he'll be able to beat Lesnar.

[The TroutBum]

Somebody on Sherdog put up a haiku in tribute to Mir's loss:

Annihilation
Mir wakes up, face in canvas
Got to gain more weight

:rollin

This is so sad. I don't know how I'm going to go on cheering for him... 2 days later and I'm still totally let down.

[760Spursfan]

GSP hater here he should just fight at 185 since he is obviously to strong for the guys at 170. I dont see him standing toe to toe with anyone all he does is take them down and lay on them til the last few seconds and then he GPs. Was pretty boring !

[The TroutBum]

The only time I watch MMA is when it's a highlight show or Ultimate Knockouts! BJJ is boring. Wrestling is boring. The clinch is boring. I'm off to go watch WWE! (or the Hornets)

[dbreiden83080]

GSP hater here he should just fight at 185 since he is obviously to strong for the guys at 170. I dont see him standing toe to toe with anyone all he does is take them down and lay on them til the last few seconds and then he GPs. Was pretty boring !

You must have missed the countless near submissoins he had..

[desflood]

:dont

[760Spursfan]

You must have missed the countless near submissoins he had..


I saw the "two" near subs and props to DH for hanging in there and not tapping out. The rest of the fight was :sleep IMO. Although it was the first time I've seen Carwin fight and was very impressed but I think Brock will come out on top in that fight.

[polandprzem]

I don't get it

In GSp fight there was action all the time. That fight really made the day for me. GSP worked hard for subs, worked hard for positions. Was escaping few times when Dan had a chance to put him on his back, once he made it.
On the standup GSP also had the adventage.

You can call fitch fights boring cause he is working mostly on a positions and tried to wear people down

[polandprzem]

http://i44.tinypic.com/5bsba8.gif

[dbreiden83080]

I don't get it

In GSp fight there was action all the time. That fight really made the day for me. GSP worked hard for subs, worked hard for positions. Was escaping few times when Dan had a chance to put him on his back, once he made it.
On the standup GSP also had the adventage.

You can call fitch fights boring cause he is working mostly on a positions and tried to wear people down

I agree with most of this.. It was weird that his fights with Fitch and Alves nobody complained about but this one with Hardy he is getting some grief for. Dana was even being asked in the post-fight about possible back-lash for GSP in terms of buy-rates for his next PPV.. :wow

I said earlier in the thread i was a little confused by how sub-happy he got in that fight, and it was not his best fight but he worked and dominated the whole way..

[Stringer_Bell]

I said earlier in the thread i was a little confused by how sub-happy he got in that fight, and it was not his best fight but he worked and dominated the whole way..

He was taking orders from his corner, and his corner is in charge of making sure he keeps his belt, so I can't really blame him but I'd like some comments from Greg Jackson at least regarding why he told GSP not to pass until the very last moments of the round.

70% of MMA fans always want the fight finished, on the ground or standing. We, the commentorsm, don't have problem with "boring" when it's a good battle, but Hardy was completely neutralized to the point of visual exhaustion for those 65-70%. We all like to see fights finished, and GSP is the elite kind of athlete that he can do it or perform well enough that you can't understand how the other guy didn't get finished (then we say, "wow, such great heart"). Hardy didn't have much damage on him, we got no blood or broken facial bones. You can't give people Mir/Carwin or Cain/Big Nog and expect them not to be dissappointed when GSP/Hardy does not live up to the hype...and that's probably the main thing against the fight.

That said, I won't be putting any money into UFC 112. Silva will give us a good knockout and BJ will make a gorey scene out of Edgar...but it's not exciting to me like a BJ vs Sotiropoulous or Anderson vs Sonnen card. I want to see the Champions tested without needing to be hyped into it. GSP really has no one to fight because he can just take them down and roll over them, yet I wouldn't mind seeing Fitch try again if he could beat a Daley/Koscheck :p:

[oligarchy]

I agree with most of this.. It was weird that his fights with Fitch and Alves nobody complained about but this one with Hardy he is getting some grief for. Dana was even being asked in the post-fight about possible back-lash for GSP in terms of buy-rates for his next PPV.. :wow

I said earlier in the thread i was a little confused by how sub-happy he got in that fight, and it was not his best fight but he worked and dominated the whole way..

People have complained, you just haven't listened. GSP has turned into the "wrestler." He isn't exciting or dynamic. He's too afraid to lose on his feet, that he's happy with throwing some junk to setup a takedown. Yeah, he may control that position and that's all he cares about, but it's more about "not losing" than winning.

BJ Penn, Machida, and Silva will stay on the feet all fight and work people over because they are GREAT at that aspect, and guess what? They'll go to the ground because they aren't afraid to fight there either. Penn and Silva are the epitome of DYNAMIC and true MMA fighters. They aren't afraid of taking the fight anywhere. Machida, on the other hand, hasn't been highly tested on the ground, so I won't make assumptions.

[dbreiden83080]

People have complained, you just haven't listened.

He is one of the most popular fighters in MMA, a huge draw. Those that are complaining are way out-numbered by those that love the man. I was in the crowd on sat night buddy. Everytime GSP got put up on the big screen they went nuts. The place thundered in the fight intros.. Everything from his marketing to his PPV numbers say this man is a star. So those whining must not be doing it loudly enough.. Most of the boos late in the fight, came from the drunk guys in the nosebleeds trying to rememeber where they parked their cars..



BJ Penn, Machida, and Silva will stay on the feet all fight and work people over because they are GREAT at that aspect, and guess what? They'll go to the ground because they aren't afraid to fight there either.

Silva has had fights in the past where he stayed away from committing to heavy shots out of fear of the takedown, see Thales Leites.. BJ stood and pecked away at Diego for 20 plus min, how the hell is that a risk? Diego has pillows for hands and lousy technique on his feet. He did the same to Sherk, again Sherk has zero stand-up and T-Rex Arms.. IF Penn fought Alves or Koscheck he has to stand. Why? Because his offensive wrestling is not good enough to get it down.. IS that risk taking or lacking the skill to give yourself other options? GSP took Hardy out of his game with wrestling and control. If he stood and traded and got caught then he gets ripped for a bad gameplan. Hardy's only chance was a KO, everyone knew that.. So he wins with good stragedy and the likes of you shit on him

Oh well can't please everyone..

[dbreiden83080]

And we all enjoy different types of fights. Just here on the forum, Poland was very pleased with the fight, i thought it was not GSP's best but still good.. Some people like that style, some don't..

[oligarchy]

Silva has had fights in the past where he stayed away from committing to heavy shots out of fear of the takedown, see Thales Leites..

Seriously, this is your stance? GTFO. Thales is a joke and in no way did Silva stay away from anything. Did he stay away from big shots with Cote or Forest Gump? No, he just fucks with non-contenders and lands non-"heavy shots" and still makes Gump run the cage crying


BJ stood and pecked away at Diego for 20 plus min, how the hell is that a risk? Diego has pillows for hands and lousy technique on his feet.

And he battered the fuck out of his face. Use google images.

Do you recall BJ's risk against GSP? You know, when he sent him to hospital. Use google images.


So he wins with good stragedy and the likes of you shit on him

Go fuck yourself. Oh, and go masturbate to GSP. I know you love to watch him dry hump his last 4 opponents for 25 minutes apiece. AWESOME! PURE CHAMPION!

I don't know if you know this, but it's an ENTERTAINMENT sport. Do you know what that means? Again, FUCKING GOOGLE.

Maybe your boy toy can figure out how to finish a fight, and I don't mean Finish in his pants after dry humping legs.

[dbreiden83080]

Go fuck yourself. Oh, and go masturbate to GSP. I know you love to watch him dry hump his last 4 opponents for 25 minutes apiece. AWESOME! PURE CHAMPION!

I don't know if you know this, but it's an ENTERTAINMENT sport. Do you know what that means? Again, FUCKING GOOGLE.

Maybe your boy toy can figure out how to finish a fight, and I don't mean Finish in his pants after dry humping legs.

Way to prove you are only here to troll and act like an immature fuckin asshole. You were all over Leonard every chance you got and now you want to sling mud at me just for a reaction.. This is the last time i will ever respond to anything you have to say on this forum..

Go fish elsewhere..

[CubanSucks]

Go fuck yourself. Oh, and go masturbate to GSP. I know you love to watch him dry hump his last 4 opponents for 25 minutes apiece. AWESOME! PURE CHAMPION!

I don't know if you know this, but it's an ENTERTAINMENT sport. Do you know what that means? Again, FUCKING GOOGLE.

Maybe your boy toy can figure out how to finish a fight, and I don't mean Finish in his pants after dry humping legs.

All this coming from a Spurs fan? I gotta ask, what side were you on during those Spurs/Suns rivalry years when the Spurs were getting ripped for their 'boring' gameplay? I can't fucking stand this idea that sports were made for entertainment. Sports are competition that happen to be entertaining most of the time. When they aren't, get the fuck over it

[oligarchy]

Way to prove you are only here to troll and act like an immature fuckin asshole. You were all over Leonard every chance you got and now you want to sling mud at me just for a reaction.. This is the last time i will ever respond to anything you have to say on this forum..

Go fish elsewhere..

LOL. I wouldn't respond either when I chopped down your dry humping hero. GO GSP, WORK THAT GAMEPLAN! (meaning.. dry hump for 25 minutes and complain your "performance.")

[oligarchy]

All this coming from a Spurs fan? I gotta ask, what side were you on during those Spurs/Suns rivalry years when the Spurs were getting ripped for their 'boring' gameplay? I can't fucking stand this idea that sports were made for entertainment. Sports are competition that happen to be entertaining most of the time. When they aren't, get the fuck over it

If you don't think sports were made for entertainment, you need to jump on the short bus. Shit that isn't entertaining gets canceled. If you don't know what those leagues are, ask your special ed. teacher to look it up.

On the other side of that, Spurs aren't boring. It's a misnomer of people who are uninformed. Spurs play the full sport. E.g., you can compare GSP to the Suns. The Suns played only offense and didn't play defense. Much like, GSP dryhumps, but won't stand and battle. Spurs played excellent defense and executed very well offensively.

Thanks for proving my point for me!

[Stringer_Bell]

On the other side of that, Spurs aren't boring. It's a misnomer of people who are uninformed. Spurs play the full sport. E.g., you can compare GSP to the Suns. The Suns played only offense and didn't play defense. Much like, GSP dryhumps, but won't stand and battle. Spurs played excellent defense and executed very well offensively.

Hmmm, I can see some validity in your point.
GSP (Suns) wins by outscoring opponents without getting many stops.
Silva (Spurs) wins by getting stops without scoring as many points.

I'm still of the opinion that Heavyweights spoil us with their no bullshit visual approach, it's very entertaining as of late.

[dbreiden83080]

Just days removed from Frank Mir’s beatdown defeat courtesy Shane ‘What’s the Second Round Like?’’ Carwin, one might think that the hate-hate relationship between the former champion and current king, Brock Lesnar, might just simmer down a little bit. As really, it could be a while before a rubber match fight between Mir and Lesnar materializes, if ever, so, is it time to toss a few pails of water under the bridge?

Well, in a report from Yahoo Sports, it doesn’t sound like Lesnar is expecting to fight Mir anytime soon, but that doesn’t mean that Mir will have a new found love for the champ if he reads the following quote.

“I kind of figured Shane was going to win, though I know anything can happen in this sport,” Lesnar said. “I was kind of laying back and I didn’t want to count any chickens before they hatched. Shane’s a tough guy and I just know that Frank’s time is done. This is the new evolution of the heavyweight division. Brock Lesnar, Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez, Junior dos Santos, we’re the guys in this division.”

[oligarchy]

There you go Stringer.

Although, Tim Sylvia disagrees as far as visual approach. ;)

[polandprzem]

It's a misnomer of people who are uninformed

So oligarchy does not know what mma is ... ehh whatever

[dbreiden83080]

It's a misnomer of people who are uninformed

So oligarchy does not know what mma is ... ehh whatever

GSP is not one of the sports biggest stars because he is boring. Yes i get that some people did not dig that fight with Hardy but his rep as a fighter who entertains was pretty flawless heading in. You don't draw what he does, having a rep of being a boring un-entertaining fighter..

That's the bottom line..

[Kobulingam]

GSP is not one of the sports biggest stars because he is boring. Yes i get that some people did not dig that fight with Hardy but his rep as a fighter who entertains was pretty flawless heading in. You don't draw what he does, having a rep of being a boring un-entertaining fighter..

That's the bottom line..

Are u stupid? He is the second biggest star in the UFC after Brock.

[TheTruth]

Are u stupid? He is the second biggest star in the UFC after Brock.

I think that's the point Dbreiden was trying to make. I think he was trying to say that GSP IS one of the most popular fighters, and that he didn't get that way by being boring.

Try to read things over carefully before calling people stupid. :toast

[Stringer_Bell]

Are u stupid? He is the second biggest star in the UFC after Brock.

Hehe, I think the the first sentence you read was worded a bit strange so the message was mixed but dbreiden definitely was saying GSP is a huge draw because he's been a consistently excellent fighter.

This time he got bit by the hype bug in combination with a fighter that didn't care about getting his arms broken. :downspin:

[oligarchy]

It's a misnomer of people who are uninformed

So oligarchy does not know what mma is ... ehh whatever

You should grasp the meaning and concept here, it's okay, you're polish and I know you guys are fucking morons. I've read your posts. My MMA knowledge though, is still more than you'll ever dream of. :lmao

[oligarchy]

GSP is not one of the sports biggest stars because he is boring. Yes i get that some people did not dig that fight with Hardy but his rep as a fighter who entertains was pretty flawless heading in. You don't draw what he does, having a rep of being a boring un-entertaining fighter..

That's the bottom line..

Eh. You're missing the point. He was always an exciting fighter. Enter the loss to Serra, and he hasn't been the most exciting fighter. Also, GSP promotes the fights the way he is supposed to, usually throwing a line about his standup. Will the fans backlash on GSP? Who knows, he may get multiple reprieves, but that doesn't mean he hasn't turned boring. That doesn't mean that he won't start losing his drawing power. If you disagree, okay, but you can't dismiss that he has stylistically changed since his loss to Serra.

[desflood]

TMZ's got an update on Thiage Alves:


Operating room spies tell TMZ Thiago Alves just underwent an 8 hour operation to separate an artery from a vein in his brain.

Dana White tells TMZ the operation -- in a New York City hospital -- was a complete success and Pitbull's first words ... "When can I start training again?"

Dana's answer ... a couple of weeks.

We're told Pitbull will be in ICU for the next two days.

[dbreiden83080]

TMZ's got an update on Thiage Alves:


Operating room spies tell TMZ Thiago Alves just underwent an 8 hour operation to separate an artery from a vein in his brain.

Dana White tells TMZ the operation -- in a New York City hospital -- was a complete success and Pitbull's first words ... "When can I start training again?"

Dana's answer ... a couple of weeks.

We're told Pitbull will be in ICU for the next two days.

Wow, good luck to him man. One of the best 170 pd fighters in the world, hope he makes a speedy recovery..

[polandprzem]

The sport in general is made to entertain, and people are fans of a specific sport because it entertain him/her with everything it gives.
MMA is mixing martial arts so fighters train to be the most effective fighters they can be, and they try to be effective while fighting and using martial art style(s) to be sucessfull.

If nobody saw how many things were happening in GSP vs HArdy fight he can hardly be named a fan of this sport.


PS. There is a proposition for some of here to STFU