John Stockton Vs Jason Kidd

[D2Procon]

Both are white, both made it to the finals in 2 consecutive years, Both lost the finals. Both can dish out assists however Stockton has the edge since he has more career assists. But Jason Kidd is a triple double machine. They both impacted the team they play on.

So what do you guys think? Who is better?

[Bob Lanier]

Stockton wasn't a liability in the halfcourt for 80% of his career.

[Amarelooms]

Kidd is better...if he played with Malone all those years he would have more assists

:elephant

[ChrisRichards]

Kidd is half black, his breed is much more superior than pure Whitey.

[Halberto]

Stockton. Kidd is a good defender, but he doesn't compare to Stockton.

[DMX7]

Stockton is a better shooter

[mavsfan1000]

Stockton no doubt

[The TroutBum]

Are you shitting me? This is almost as bad as the, "Chauncy a HOF?" thread. Give me strength. Anyone who takes Kidd over Stockton is a complete butt fuck clown.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'd probably take Stockton without thinking about it or looking into it too much, but he's one of the more overrated players in NBA history IMO..

[Halberto]

^The dude is far and away the all-time leader in career assists AND steals!!!

I don't understand how you can think that

[Muser]

Stockton.

[LnGrrrR]

Alright guys... Chris Paul or Vin Baker?

:lol

[timvpimp]

Alright guys... Chris Paul or Vin Baker?

:lol
not even the same position, you attention seeking whore.

[LnGrrrR]

not even the same position, you attention seeking whore.

And the award for most obvious post goes to...

Timvpimp!

Take a bow!

[pauls931]

Gotta be Stockton. One team, outrageous numbers, dirty, he had it all. Kidd is vastly superiour physically though, but is slowing down to where he's going to be come a liability soon. Dallas better do their damage now, or they'll be wanting Devin back.

[Ghazi]

Harris is a fucking scrub.

[sefant77]

Well assuming it was the Jazz and 50% their scorekeepers i say his real assist number is something around 12000...

[dirk4mvp]

Stockton.

Although Kidd deserves a ton of credit for making Neck Lips and Dick Jefferson look like competent NBA players on a few Finals team.

[JMarkJohns]

I'd probably take Stockton without thinking about it or looking into it too much, but he's one of the more overrated players in NBA history IMO..

You're gonna need to explain exactly who is overrating him. He's generally referred to as the second-greatest PG, and I've seen him listed anywhere from 2/3 most of the time, and as low as fourth on one list. While many might say his assists and steals totals are a product of longevity, his per-game averages at his peak were ridiculous, and for a career some of the best around. Fantastic shooter, he easily could have been a 20-10 guy if he had so chosen.

I've never seen his name mentioned in the top-10 players of All-Time, nor do I recall even in the top-20. I would say a fair ranking is 20-25, and I think that's where most would have him.

Not overrated at all. While not underrated, I think because he never got a Title, his career is underappreciated, and this thread is evidence of that.

[Girasuck]

Well assuming it was the Jazz and 50% their scorekeepers i say his real assist number is something around 12000...

Which means he's still the all-time leader in assists by more than 1,000. What's your point?

[mavsfan1000]

Harris is a fucking scrub.
You are a clown. Harris gave us huge intangibles. They didn't always show up in the box score but he was great at getting loose balls and teams were forced to give him a lot of attention on offense. Thus opening up more shots for other players. Oh and we got more free points in fast break with his speed. His defense against Parker was awesome. He could probably handle Chris Paul pretty well also. Now we have no one to guard Parker.

[Ghazi]

Harris is a fucking scrub.

[dirk4mvp]

Still on Harris' nuts? That act is tired. Find some other shtick, imho.

[Blake]

If not for Duncan, Kidd would have an MVP trophy. Stockton played with an MVP that was arguably the 2nd best power forward of all time.

Kidd.

[mavsfan1000]

Still on Harris' nuts? That act is tired. Find some other shtick, imho.
Wow you sure know a lot. :rolleyes We only got to the Finals with Harris and had a 67 win game season. It was not until we got reinforements with Butler, Marion, and Haywood that we became a contender again. And we still miss that slashing off the ball. The only thing stopping us from being a total jumpshooting team.

[dirk4mvp]

Wow you sure know a lot. :rolleyes We only got to the Finals with Harris and had a 67 win game season. It was not until we got reinforements with Butler, Marion, and Haywood that we became a contender again. And we still miss that slashing off the ball. The only thing stopping us from being a total jumpshooting team.

First of all, you're trying to use the argument that Harris is a better transition player than Jason Kidd. If going 1 on 4 then blowing the layup is your evidence, then yeah I agree.

Kidd is the 2nd best player on a top 4 team in the NBA. Who the hell is Devin Harris?

[Ghazi]

First of all, you're trying to use the argument that Harris is a better transition player than Jason Kidd. If going 1 on 4 then blowing the layup is your evidence, then yeah I agree.

Kidd is the 2nd best player on a top 4 team in the NBA. Who the hell is Devin Harris?

The 2nd best player on a historically bad team :smokin

[mavsfan1000]

First of all, you're trying to use the argument that Harris is a better transition player than Jason Kidd. If going 1 on 4 then blowing the layup is your evidence, then yeah I agree.

Kidd is the 2nd best player on a top 4 team in the NBA. Who the hell is Devin Harris?
Kidd is 37 years old. He is still a good player but his liabilities like not being able to drive and keep defenders in front of him is very noticeable. In a perfect world, Harris and Kidd would be the perfect compliment in the backcourt. But we got Terry who doesn't drive worth shit. So our chemistry is hurt due to that or was hurt until Butler and Marion came around.

[jacobdrj]

If Utah had 2010 J-Kidd back in 1997, do they get to the Finals?

[Halberto]

Probably, but the outcome would be the same.

[mavsfan1000]

If Utah had 2010 J-Kidd back in 1997, do they get to the Finals?
The pic and roll with Malone would be less useful since Kidd didn't shoot well back then.

[dirk4mvp]

Reading is fundamental.

[endrity]

This is Stockton.

Kidd took to much to learn how to shoot. If he shot like this back in the day than maybe this is closer. At his peak Kidd was a much better defender, probably as good as the league has seen at the PG spot, and much better in full court.

[lil_penny]

Stockton. Kidd is a good defender, but he doesn't compare to Stockton.

Always been a fan of kidd, but stockton is the better of the two imho

[angelbelow]

dude stockton is like a nash and kidd hybrid. why would you pick kidd when you can have a nash-kidd hybrid?

[JamStone]

I personally would take Kidd over Stockton.

Stockton has the slightly more decorated career. I do think Sloan's pick-and-roll offense helped Stockton's assist numbers. And, I found it interesting when I heard Sloan say that he had started to allow Deron Williams to almost exclusively call the offensive sets and Stockton never did. Sloan called the sets with Stockton.

Stockton was definitely the better shooter, but I think the difference is not as big as it would appear. Stockton was only a marginally better three point shooter in his career. Kidd has actually been a solid three point shooter for much of his career. And from what I do remember of Stockton, he would rarely take contested shots or shots with great difficulty. He would take shots he knew he could make. That's to his credit for having good shot selection and knowing his limitations, but I think that's a big part of why his FG% is as impressive as it is. Kidd would attack the basket much more and going up against big forwards and centers, he would get blocked and miss more shots than Stockton taking open jumpers.

You still give Stockton the advantage in shooting. But, Kidd's advantages with rebounding, more versatility in defending, and creativity are things that I would rather have. Neither was a prolific scorer, so looking at shooting numbers isn't as important as if we were comparing shooting guards.

I understand the argument for Stockton, but personally, I'd take Kidd.