If Rondo somehow develops a jumper

[BadOdor]

Is he basically top 2 pg?

[Cane]

Needs a jumper and needs to be more consistent at the free throw line.

He's got everything else though. I thought Boston were idiots for giving Rondo that contract but damn he really is the best Celtic nowadays and easily one of the top PG's.

[DJ Mbenga]

if he develops a jumper he no longer goes inside.

[BadOdor]

The thing is, he's even hitting some of them completely open jumpers the cavs are letting him take right now, it's not a stretch to imagine he could improve in that area.....

Deron>Rondo>Cp3 imho.

[Cane]

Playoffs are also a pretty tiny sample size but obviously the most important. Give Rondo those opportunities across the season and he's shown to suck ass from outside or at the line.

[HarlemHeat37]

I love Rondo, always have, but LOL @ better than CP3..

A healthy Chris Paul is the best PG in the NBA, I wouldn't have to think too much about it..

As for Rondo, he's behind Paul and Williams, but it's debatable after that..

Rondo vs. Nash would be a decent argument..other than passing, they're pretty much completely different players, but I would probably still take Nash for now and maybe another year, since Nash's system is much better suited for him..

Derrick Rose is obviously a better and more versatile scorer, but Rondo has him beat in pretty much every other aspect of basketball, especially defensively..so that would depend on what your team needs..

[TDMVPDPOY]

he is playin with 3 allstars on that team, makes things just easier for him...replace him with any of the top5 pgs and they put up the same stats as his

[badfish22]

Deron>Rondo>Cp3 imho.

+1.

If he develops a jumper, he might be the best PG in the league. But that probably wont happen.

[Killakobe81]

I love Rondo, always have, but LOL @ better than CP3..

No, but he is narrowing the gap Dwill is #1 in my list Rondo is just below Paul for now ...

[Goran Dragic]

he is playin with 3 allstars on that team


If you think KG or Allen are anything close to an AS these days idk what basketball you're watching. 29 point, 18 rebound, 13 assist games don't happen just because you have 3 good teammates.

[resistanze]

CP3 is getting the DWade treatment from 2008. You get injured and everyone's better than you.

[Medvedenko]

He's as dynamic as any PG in the league. He's fearless and rebounds with aplomb. I love his game!

[j.dizzle]

Rondo took a fat shit on Cle today, end of story. This is anyones series IMO...Boston seems to play better on the road too.

[BRHornet45]

CP3 is getting the DWade treatment from 2008. You get injured and everyone's better than you.

son thank you for being one of the very few posters on here who actually understand the game of basketball. most people on here have the ignorant mindset of "what have you done for me today?" when judging players.

[BadOdor]

lol 121-63
lol jannero pargo
lol chuck telling cp3 to his face deron>him and watching cp3 almost cry

[BRHornet45]

he is playin with 3 allstars on that team, makes things just easier for him...replace him with any of the top5 pgs and they put up the same stats as his

son exactly ... just imagine if Paul, Williams, or Nash played on the Celtics? the assist stats would be insane from any of them. in the meantime Ronda can't even average 10 assist with that team.

[TampaDude]

Rondo took a fat shit on Cle today, end of story. This is anyones series IMO...Boston seems to play better on the road too.

^ this

[Goran Dragic]

If Paul Williams or Nash played on Boston they'd have less assists because they'd have players around them who can create their own shot and they wouldn't need to do all the creating for their team. Point guards with other viable all star options on their time don't rack up a ton of assists, anyone with an iota of basketball knowledge knows that.

[Roddy Beaubois]

If Rwàjon Rwondo developed a jumpeâr, he would be me.

[BRHornet45]

sons everyone has their own opinions and favorite players ... but Rondo? are some of you being serious? or is this thread meant to be a joke? Rondo isn't even near being a top 5 point guard in this league, nowhere near it! Some of you really need to educate yourselves on how the game of basketball works and stop buying into TNT/ESPN playoff hype. Sure Rondo has had some damn good games during this playoff run, but to even question him being a top point guard??? LMAO

sons at least the Paul/Williams argument is debatable and legit. It could go either way with those two, but Paul has the edge and his stats completely back it up. the top 5 point guards in this league are (in no particular order other than #1) ...
1.Paul
Williams
Nash
Rose
Parker

others who are on the outside of the top 5
-------------------------------
Billups
Ellis
Brooks
Rondo

[BRHornet45]

If Paul Williams or Nash played on Boston they'd have less assists because they'd have players around them who can create their own shot and they wouldn't need to do all the creating for their team. Point guards with other viable all star options on their time don't rack up a ton of assists, anyone with an iota of basketball knowledge knows that.

well in that case Paul would be dropping 25+ points per game then.

[j.dizzle]

Btw if ppl say Lebron is one of the best defenders in the league then why doesnt he step up & guard Rondo? We all saw what Westbrook was doing to fisher, when Kobe decided to guard him the series was a wrap.

[Goran Dragic]

well in that case Paul would be dropping 25+ points per game then.

Not really. He'd be less important and his stats would just be down across the board.

[badfish22]

sons everyone has their own opinions and favorite players ... but Rondo? are some of you being serious? or is this thread meant to be a joke? Rondo isn't even near being a top 5 point guard in this league, nowhere near it! Some of you really need to educate yourselves on how the game of basketball works and stop buying into TNT/ESPN playoff hype. Sure Rondo has had some damn good games during this playoff run, but to even question him being a top point guard??? LMAO

sons at least the Paul/Williams argument is debatable and legit. It could go either way with those two, but Paul has the edge and his stats completely back it up. the top 5 point guards in this league are (in no particular order other than #1) ...
1.Paul
Williams
Nash
Rose
Parker

others who are on the outside of the top 5
-------------------------------
Billups
Ellis
Brooks
Rondo


Rose above Rondo? :lol
Parker above Rondo? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[BRHornet45]

Not really. He'd be less important and his stats would just be down across the board.

not true at all. Paul is a legit scorer and easily the best scoring point guard in the NBA.

[BRHornet45]

Rose above Rondo? :lol
Parker above Rondo? :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

hands down no doubt about it ... LMAO at you for showing your ignorance. son you can't honestly believe that Rondo is better than either Rose or Parker? or you sure you want to stand by that foolish opinion?

[BRHornet45]

lol Rondo is a 10 and 6 point guard ... but hey! he has had a few damn good games during this playoff run therefor he is arguably the best in the league!!!!

[Roddy Beaubois]

Rondo averages the last two playoff years:
17/11/8

[badfish22]

hands down no doubt about it ... LMAO at you for showing your ignorance. son you can't honestly believe that Rondo is better than either Rose or Parker? or you sure you want to stand by that foolish opinion?

Did you watch todays game? Or this years playoffs? what about last years series with the bulls? Rondo is a beast.

[baseline bum]

CP3 is getting the DWade treatment from 2008. You get injured and everyone's better than you.

Or the Tony Parker treatment (from Spurs fans) in 2010.

[BRHornet45]

Rondo averages the last two playoff years:
17/11/8

son stop rounding up numbers and exaggerating the stats ... in the last two playoff years Rondo has put up 16/10/7, not 17/11/8 .... you can't just take a number like 16.3 and round it up to 17 lol ... nice try at attempting to make his numbers look better than they are though.

in other news, the two legit best point guards have put up the following averages in the playoffs ...

Paul - 22/11
Williams - 21/10

[spursfan1000]

"if" is a big word.

[Roddy Beaubois]

son stop rounding up numbers and exaggerating the stats ... in the last two playoff years Rondo has put up 16/10/7, not 17/11/8 .... you can't just take a number like 16.3 and round it up to 17 lol ... nice try at attempting to make his numbers look better than they are though.

in other news, the two legit best point guards have put up the following averages in the playoffs ...

Paul - 22/11
Williams - 21/10

Fils, I have no biased toward Rondo. He can suck my burnt french fry for all I care. But his ppg is 16.7, which rounds up to 17. His assist is 10.5, which averages up 11. and his rebounds is 7.7, which averages up to 8. Again we are only counting his last few years. lol at your Louisiana education.

Plus I don't know why you are bringing cp3 and Deron up, you said Parker was better than Rondo.

[BRHornet45]

Fils, I have no biased toward Rondo. He can suck my burnt french fry for all I care. But his ppg is 16.7, which rounds up to 17. His assist is 10.5, which averages up 11. and his rebounds is 7.7, which averages up to 8. Again we are only counting his last few years. lol at your Louisiana education.

Plus I don't know why you are bringing cp3 and Deron up, you said Parker was better than Rondo.

Parker is light years ahead of Rondo. the fact that anyone would even attempt to argue otherwise is laughable.

[Goran Dragic]

Or the Tony Parker treatment (from Spurs fans) in 2010.


That's not nearly as funny as the 2009 Parker treatment when Spurfan said he was a top3 PG because of 1 career season.

[Roddy Beaubois]

That's not nearly as funny as the 2009 Parker treatment when Spurfan said he was a top3 PG because of 1 career season.

plus un

[Fillmoe]

The thing is, he's even hitting some of them completely open jumpers the cavs are letting him take right now, it's not a stretch to imagine he could improve in that area.....

Deron>Rondo>Cp3 imho.

youre on drugs...

its easily CP3>Deron>Rondo

[Roddy Beaubois]

youre on drugs...

its easily CP3>Deron>Rondo

Deron>cp3.

[SomeCallMeTim]

CP3 is getting the DWade treatment from 2008. You get injured and everyone's better than you.

Agreed. Everyone clowns on the injured guy like he's "done" and it's possible he could be constantly battling injuries here on out but I wouldn't bet on it. He'll be back to being a top PG and Mav fans can go back to passively-aggressively taking shots at him for the same reason they do Wade... Battered Fan Syndrome...

[Roddy Beaubois]

Hes not done, but that doesn't mean Dwill isn't better than him.

[BRHornet45]

Hes not done, but that doesn't mean Dwill isn't better than him.

son are you THAT bitter? ... I know over the last 3 years the Hornets with CP3 have owned the Mavs and D-Wade has owned them since 06, but really are you that damn bitter?

[Roddy Beaubois]

When CP3 and Dwade were owning the mavs I was swinging from the trees in Pointe-à-Pitre, Guadeloupe.

[Ghazi]

The "CP3 was hurt" debate. Blow me.

Guy was healthy in the 09 playoffs, and lost by fucking 60 and was TERRIBle and clearly outplayed by Billups.

Guy was healthy in 08 playoffs and let Jannero fucking Pargo take 13 4th quarter shots.

D-Whistle at least has had some excellent playoff games (although the refs gave him a ring). This is not similar to CP3 at all. Did Whistle lose by 60 on his home court and get outplayed by another 2 guard in the playoffs? DId Whistle let...say Gary Payton or Mario Chalmers try to win Game 7?

No comparions, Wade is a legit NBA talent. Cp3 was just a flash in the pan. A gimmick. a has been. or more appropriately, a never was.

[BRHornet45]

The "CP3 was hurt" debate. Blow me.

Guy was healthy in the 09 playoffs, and lost by fucking 60 and was TERRIBle and clearly outplayed by Billups.

Guy was healthy in 08 playoffs and let Jannero fucking Pargo take 13 4th quarter shots.

D-Whistle at least has had some excellent playoff games (although the refs gave him a ring). This is not similar to CP3 at all. Did Whistle lose by 60 on his home court and get outplayed by another 2 guard in the playoffs? DId Whistle let...say Gary Payton or Mario Chalmers try to win Game 7?

No comparions, Wade is a legit NBA talent. Cp3 was just a flash in the pan. A gimmick. a has been. or more appropriately, a never was.

son get your facts straight. Paul was NOT healthy in the 08 playoffs and you know it. stop trying to make up bullshit to make yourself feel better and stop living thru the Nuggets success of kicking our ass ... you know, the same Nuggets who face fucked your pussy ass Mavericks and scared your faggot owner off the court.

son the refs didn't help D-Wade win shit. your choking vagina's in blue led by their great white hope Dirk decided to blow the entire series whenever they had it in the bag. NO TEAM led by Dirk will ever accomplish anything. Dirk is a second option at best, no team leader. D-Wade has owned your team and the surrounding area of Dallas more than any other player in the NBA. the dude has raised not one, but TWO different MVP trophies there within the last 5 years! (Finals MVP & All Star Game MVP) LMAO!!!!!

[Ghazi]

lol @ dude who always complains about free throws turning a blind eye to whistles 50 in the last 2 games.

:lmao double standard

:lmao fat coon state

:lmao 121-63

[BRHornet45]

lol @ dude who always complains about free throws turning a blind eye to whistles 50 in the last 2 games.

:lmao double standard

:lmao fat coon state

:lmao 121-63

LMAO son keep digging your hole deeper you $250 hand job paying cab driver!

[badfish22]

cp3s frail ass hasn't led the Hornets anywhere.

[ChrisRichards]

LMAO son keep digging your hole deeper you $250 hand job paying cab driver!
:rollin

[ChrisRichards]

cp3s frail ass hasn't led the Hornets anywhere.
wcf aint is not anywhere?

[badfish22]

hes never led them to the wcf

[Lars]

hes never led them to the wcf

Are you retarded?

[Bob Lanier]

Paul's midget ass is as much a defensive liability as Steve Nash. Now, Rondo's defense is overrated, but not that much.

[BRHornet45]

Paul's midget ass is as much a defensive liability as Steve Nash. Now, Rondo's defense is overrated, but not that much.

son yet he has led the NBA in steals 3 different years and has been voted to the All-Defensive 1st and 2nd teams. go back to sleep now.

[LnGrrrR]

son yet he has led the NBA in steals 3 different years and has been voted to the All-Defensive 1st and 2nd teams. go back to sleep now.

Rondo led this year and got the second most votes for the All-Defense team.

I'd say Rondo is top 5. Rose is an awesome scorer, but I think Rondo runs the offense better and plays D better, so I barely give him the nudge. I've got CP3, DWill, and Nash (even though his defense is mediocre at best) and Parker just barely above him.

[BRHornet45]

Rondo led this year and got the second most votes for the All-Defense team.

I'd say Rondo is top 5. Rose is an awesome scorer, but I think Rondo runs the offense better and plays D better, so I barely give him the nudge. I've got CP3, DWill, and Nash (even though his defense is mediocre at best) and Parker just barely above him.

son Rondo can arguably be considered for top 5 no doubt, but top 2 or 3 hell no ... that was the point I was trying to make. oh and the only reason he led the league in steals this season is because Paul got hurt lol.

[LnGrrrR]

oh and the only reason he led the league in steals this season is because Paul got hurt lol.

Probably. But being second best in steals isn't too bad. :lol

[BRHornet45]

Probably. But being second best in steals isn't too bad. :lol

son no doubt about that. plus Rondo and Paul were neck and neck with steals anyways whenever Paul got hurt so in fairness, Rondo may have beat him.

[TheMACHINE]

Rondo>Fisher>Nash>Williams>Nelson>Parker>Rose>Collison>Westbrook>Dragic>Calderon>Blake>Duhon>Cp3

[Ghazi]

Paul is not good defensively. Fucking midget

[BRHornet45]

Paul is not good defensively. Fucking midget

lol well son at least he isn't a bitch made choker like Dirk.

[Ghazi]

lol well son at least he isn't a bitch made choker like Dirk.

The fuck he isnt

2nd seed WF lose to WVU
blows 2-0 lead v Spurs and lets Pargo take 13 4th quarter shots
121-63.
guides team with preseason championship expectations to 49 wins and the most embarrassing, gutless loss in the history of professional sports.

[BRHornet45]

The fuck he isnt

2nd seed WF lose to WVU
blows 2-0 lead v Spurs and lets Pargo take 13 4th quarter shots
121-63.
guides team with preseason championship expectations to 49 wins and the most embarrassing, gutless loss in the history of professional sports.

son Dirk has done nothing but choke his entire life. JUST FACE THE FACTS! your great white hope is the most overrated power forward of all time! simply because of his skin color!

lol you claiming Dirk a top PF, yet he has never once in his career put up 20 and 10

lol Dirk having no post game whatsoever

lol Dirk relying on hail mary / fluke jump shots to fall in

lol Dirk being shit out of luck if the refs don't put him at the line

lol 8th seed GSW

lol 2006 NBA champion Heat

lol 7th seed Spurs

lol knocking up crackhead felons

lol paying $250 for a hand job on a cab driver salary

[JMarkJohns]

Rondo has needed a jumper since he was a sophomore in high school. It was his biggest critique then, and remains such now. If he hasn't drastically improved it in the nine years since it was first brought to his attention, I doubt it is an area that improves to drastically. He could get it where he can at least hit an open jumper, but I don't think he has even that in him. He likely won't focus on it until his athleticism is in decline, and by then his chance to maximize his skills will be gone. He's a fantastic athlete and a great PG, but I don't like it when a player has but one weakness and can't improve it in a decade of knowing, than I doubt it's something that's fixed. I cite Kidd as exhibit A for this.

[BRHornet45]

Rondo also needs to learn how to shoot free throws as well.

[boston.balla]

yo you faggot fat white posing as a black mexican. Yeah, I'm calling you out brhornet. When you play the fucking passing lanes and go for the steal don't you leave your man open (In a league that is so stacked at pg)? That's matador defense.
the steals argument is imbecile, only man to man steals is good defense, the rest is risk and a good d does not risk at pg only if it has a rondo or payton and cp3 ain't one
Cp3 lack of size is clear when he defends bigger guards .. kinda always :lol. He ain't as feisty as rondo to composate for lack of size. This sure does bring a concern in a league with so much talent and size at pg ( dwill, drose, tyreke, john wall, etc). How does cp3 fare against them defensively?

He's a great passer and offensive , even rebounder for pg, but as player but you gotta go both ways. For a scrub ass team he is perfect stat padder. For a contender coach he lacks 3/4 of requirements:
- physical talent (met)
- leadership/mental toughness (LOL 121-63 LACK)
- size (LACK)
- defense(the steals argument is imbecile, only man to man steals is good defense, the rest is risk and a good d does not risk at pg only if it has a rondo or payton => LACK)


So did dwill get completely outplayed and quit like a pussy 121-63 style? Did cp3 lead the jazz to wcf?
take a good look at utah's roster and their injuries since forever and at the fact that they alaways played deep in the playoffs (wcf, 2xwcsf), look at what cp3 has accomplished with quality comparable relatively healthy rosters in the playoffs (3 missed completely out five, an wcsf ) , look at deron vs cp3 alltime stats, and now if you still think cp3's better go post in the wnba threads you cuckold.

I've fuckin grown tired of your idiotic trolling and "he the black jesus best in the world " leading a team over the luxury cap no-fucking-were. God damn you're dumber than a bloody rock.

[EmptyMan]

Rondo is a bad man. Quickly becoming my favorite PG in the league.

[mogrovejo]

Rondo has needed a jumper since he was a sophomore in high school. It was his biggest critique then, and remains such now. If he hasn't drastically improved it in the nine years since it was first brought to his attention, I doubt it is an area that improves to drastically. He could get it where he can at least hit an open jumper, but I don't think he has even that in him. He likely won't focus on it until his athleticism is in decline, and by then his chance to maximize his skills will be gone. He's a fantastic athlete and a great PG, but I don't like it when a player has but one weakness and can't improve it in a decade of knowing, than I doubt it's something that's fixed. I cite Kidd as exhibit A for this.

You cite Kidd as an example that PGs with deficient jump-shots who don't fix it in their first seasons in the league will never fix it? That's... odd.

Rondo has been slowly improving his jumper. He'll never be good, but hopefully he'll become serviceable enough.

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I've always said Deron Williams was the best PG in the league even when Paul was the flavour of the day and Williams was dealing with multiple injuries. Paul dominates the ball an awful lot and his size makes him a bit of defensive liability. Leaves lots of shots to be properly contested.

To me, it's:

1. Williams
2. Paul

then in another tier you have Nash + Rondo.