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Jimcs50
05-12-2005, 04:37 PM
Was asked to comment on the comment that Stoudemire is on same level as Tim Duncan and Shaq.

AJ said that he was not. Dan Patrick asked again incredulously if that was true that Amare was not as good as Tim Duncan.
AJ said that TD and Shaq are in a different stratosphere, and until Amare wins a couple of championships or MVPs, then he is in the next level down from those two.

Way to go AJ, you are not sucking up to Phoenix and Amare with coachspeak...you are tell the truth, and are not affraid of bulletin board material, and retribution by Phoenix. :smokin
Spurminator
05-12-2005, 04:38 PM
What a stupid question to ask.

I wouldn't have even answered it.
Jimcs50
05-12-2005, 04:43 PM
What a stupid question to ask.

I wouldn't have even answered it.

Dan Patrick was just asking him to comment of what some tv commentator said, I think it was Bill Walton.
nkdlunch
05-12-2005, 04:44 PM
That Dan Patrick is gotta be dumb as shit to ask that
Jimcs50
05-12-2005, 04:45 PM
That Dan Patrick is gotta be dumb as shit to ask that

see above post.

dan is not dumb.
nkdlunch
05-12-2005, 04:45 PM
Bill Walton.

Now it all makes sense :lol
PM5K
05-12-2005, 04:48 PM
Amare's stats speak for themselves....
samikeyp
05-12-2005, 04:55 PM
so do his pushups.
Lonestar
05-12-2005, 04:57 PM
Why does everything that Walton says piss me off?
nkdlunch
05-12-2005, 05:10 PM
http://nbadraft.net/actor/billwalton.jpg

"He'sh the greatest player in the hishtory of the nba!!" :smokin :smokin
exstatic
05-12-2005, 05:21 PM
Amare's stats speak for themselves....

So did Derrick Coleman's and he was never a great player, despite putting up 20/10 over a long career. Although some great players put up stats, stats don't make the player great. His effort level is lacking. How does someone of that size and athleticism average less than nine rebounds a game over the course of three seasons? He's a pretty crappy post defender, too. He made Erick Dampier look like Shaq in the post for game 2. Until he's ready to do the dirty work, and not just run out on the break, he won't be a great player.
vsnba
05-12-2005, 05:25 PM
No player better than Shaq and TD at this time. If anyone think any one better than TD and Shaq ,then they don't have clue about games. I am not Shaq fan but I have to accept him as one of the top two player in NBA
SPARKY
05-12-2005, 05:27 PM
He doesn't have the post game that TD and Shaq have, but he has a great face up game and his J keeps looking more solid every season. Naturally his game fits quite well with Nash.

Unlike Clavin I think his game isn't that bad. He's got a ways to go to be at the TD/Shaq level but hell, Evil became a superstar getting passes from a great point guard...
RobinsontoDuncan
05-12-2005, 05:33 PM
You have to question his place in even the level directly below Duncan and Shaq, is Amare on par with guys like Garnett, Brand, JO'Neil, and Nowitizki? I remember how bad he was playing without Nash and you have to wonder, without all those dishes for high percentage dunks and layups, where would Amare be? He can be easily dominated without Nash, and a defense that limits the transition game and bothers Nash will take Amare out of the game.

Duncan and Shaq don't need dominant guards to be great, they need great players around them to win championships, but they don't need Steve Nash or Jason Kidd to have career years.
foodie2
05-12-2005, 05:51 PM
Besides, does Amare play defense at all? I think you have to bring it at both ends to be considered one of the great ones.
Ishta
05-12-2005, 05:56 PM
Why does everything that Walton says piss me off?That's an easy one Walton is a Prick with a capital P.
He hates the Spurs. Always has.


ONE TEAM, ONE GOAL
Obstructed_View
05-12-2005, 06:03 PM
Greatest Walton quote:

"Ahwww...Where would ya like it, Samaki?"
Spurminator
05-12-2005, 06:09 PM
He hates the Spurs. Always has.

No he doesn't.
Spurminator
05-12-2005, 06:12 PM
Jim, I didn't mean it was dumb from the standpoint of someone really believing Amare was on that level... I just meant that it seemed like he was fishing for some kind of controversy.

The answer is obviously No, so asking Avery to comment basically corners him into giving chalkboard material to the opponent (unless he chooses not to answer).
T Park
05-12-2005, 06:13 PM
He hates the Spurs. Always has

That is 100% wrong.

Bill Walton was a big fan of theirs in 2003, and last year.

This year?? I have no clue cause I have hardly heard him commenting this year.
samikeyp
05-12-2005, 06:14 PM
Actually with Walton it depends. If they are doing well, he is all for them, if they are losing...the other team is his favorite. He goes back and forth more than Anne Heche at a swingers weekend.
Manu20
05-12-2005, 06:15 PM
Amare does not even deserve to be in the same paragraph with Tim and Shaq.


He hates the Spurs. Always has.
Does not true he does like the spurs.
PM5K
05-12-2005, 06:29 PM
less than nine rebounds a game over the course of three seasons?

Nine boards a game isn't bad, I notice you didn't mention any of his other stats like the fact that he averages five more points per game, six percentage points higher field goal percentage, he also shoots more free throws and has a higher percentage along with more steals per game than Tim Duncan. He also averages a respectable 1.6 blocks per game which isn't bad for a forward and is about one less than Duncan.

Don't forget that although Tim averages eleven boards per game the Suns are actually the better rebounding team so Amare has other capable rebounders as well such as Marion (11.3) who is only 6'7 and averages more rebounds than Tim Duncan.....
Obstructed_View
05-12-2005, 06:34 PM
Oh my freaking God. PLEASE do not start citing statistics to say why Amare deserves to be mentioned in the same breath with Duncan, ESPECIALLY this year's numbers.

I understand that you were responding to someone else's statistics, but here's where there's a difference. Every stat that the Suns have is elevated by the huge number of possessions that happen in a game. That's why they allow so many points but actually have a decent defense.

There is absolutely no doubt that Amare has it all over Duncan in athletic ability, but Duncan has developed in so many other ways. I agree that Patrick was trying to paint AJ into a corner, and AJ just manned up and told the truth, unlike his center.
picnroll
05-12-2005, 06:42 PM
Walton's schtick is hyperbole. He's part of the circus that is the NBA. He doesn't take himself seriously so it's pretty silly for others to take him seriously and get bent out of shape by what he says. He and Barkley are the clown princes of the NBA.
Bandit2981
05-12-2005, 07:09 PM
Duncan and Shaq dont need Steve Nash on their team to make them look good
Jimcs50
05-12-2005, 07:12 PM
Now, I might not be even right on whether it was Bill Walton that said that...Dan said who it was not paying attention until I heard TD's name.....it was some tv announcer, it could have been someone else like SAS or Greg Anthony, although I doubt it.
PM5K
05-12-2005, 07:21 PM
You know I only take up for the other side because you guys can never give any credit to anyone if they are compared to Tim Duncan. We could sit here all day talking about how great Bill Russell was but the moment someone says he's better than Tim Duncan the bitches come out of the wood work....
SequSpur
05-12-2005, 07:23 PM
Amare is not very good.
Jimcs50
05-12-2005, 07:29 PM
You know I only take up for the other side because you guys can never give any credit to anyone if they are compared to Tim Duncan. We could sit here all day talking about how great Bill Russell was but the moment someone says he's better than Tim Duncan the bitches come out of the wood work....

I think we can all agree that Bill Russell> TD

Once TD gets his 11th ring though, then let's talk again.

:)
RobinsontoDuncan
05-12-2005, 07:32 PM
How did this become about bill russel? Amare is a very 1 dimensional player with inflated numbers this year.
Cant_Be_Faded
05-12-2005, 07:41 PM
So did Derrick Coleman's and he was never a great player, despite putting up 20/10 over a long career. Although some great players put up stats, stats don't make the player great. His effort level is lacking. How does someone of that size and athleticism average less than nine rebounds a game over the course of three seasons? He's a pretty crappy post defender, too. He made Erick Dampier look like Shaq in the post for game 2. Until he's ready to do the dirty work, and not just run out on the break, he won't be a great player.


Solid post, Usul.

And PM5k, you have to realize that field goal percentage goes up when you are given the ball in such a time and place so that all you have to do is dunk it.

Also, points go up when you play with the best point guard in the game.

If Steve Nash played on the spurs, do you think Duncan's field goal percentage and points would go up or down?

exactly.
spurster
05-12-2005, 07:50 PM
Was asked to comment on the comment that Stoudemire is on same level as Tim Duncan and Shaq.
Amare is 2nd team all-NBA, not first team.
Obstructed_View
05-12-2005, 08:31 PM
You know I only take up for the other side because you guys can never give any credit to anyone if they are compared to Tim Duncan. We could sit here all day talking about how great Bill Russell was but the moment someone says he's better than Tim Duncan the bitches come out of the wood work....
If we were comparing KG to Tim Duncan, or comparing Shaq to Duncan, or comparing Karl Malone to Duncan, I could see your point. Comparing someone, while very talented, that has played 2 1/2 years in the NBA to Duncan and then suggesting that people that scoff are just homers is ridiculous.