Argentina vs. Mexico

[Spurologist]

my pick to win it all is still in the hunt. I don't ever see myself rooting for Mexico.

The Road to 'Maradona running down the streets of Argentina naked' continues

3-1

Messi
Messi
Hernandez
Messi

[lefty]

my pick to win it all is still in the hunt. I don't ever see myself rooting for Mexico.

The Road to 'Maradona running down the streets of Argentina naked' continues

3-1

Messi
Messi
Hernandez
Messi

You know Messi is not the only Argie player on the roster, right?

[ElNono]

I just hope Tevez keeps playing as hard as he has been. His energy has been key for us.

[Spurologist]

You know Messi is not the only Argie player on the roster, right?

when you're drunk he is.

[lefty]

when you're drunk he is.
:lol

[Muser]

Messi has done everything but score, truly the best player in this tournament.

[Dinamita]

Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco Please don't start Franco/Blanco

If both those fagots start i ain't watching..

[IronMexican]

Blanco can come in off the bench. He can't start though. Just ruins Mexico's tempo in first half.


Thank god they play at 11:30. I went to bed at 4 yesterday and woke up at 8. Doubt I'll be waking up before 9 tomorrow.

[Dinamita]

Projected line up

---------Perez-----------
Salcido Moreno Maza Osorio
--Torrado Marquez Juarez--
--Barrera Chicharito Gio--

http://liveingrace.org/images/uploads/praise.jpg

Holy shit there is a God. (hope it's true)

Now if Mexico loses it will be much easier to bear knowing we had our best line up out there. (Still have a shitty goalie though)

[IronMexican]

No Guardado? I hate shitty ass Juarez.

[IronMexican]

Nice to see Barrera start over an underwhelming Vela.

[Dinamita]

No Guardado? I hate shitty ass Juarez.

It's either Juarez or Castro.. Juarez >>> Castro. He has been playing pretty bad this world cup though. This is were Mexico would of benefited from keeping Jona Dos Santos.. but instead we got whack ass Bofo on the bench.
He should switch Barrera with Guardado though. And have Barrera first off the bench.

[IronMexican]

We gonna go to HP to watch the game? :lol


Maybe we can see the INS waiting in the bars to take all the illegals.

[Dinamita]

We gonna go to HP to watch the game? :lol


Maybe we can see the INS waiting in the bars to take all the illegals.

:lol :lmao

[Sense]

According to one of the Univision broadcasters, it is rumored that Ochoa might start tomorrow....


And that apparently Guardado is pissed because he's not playing where he's best.


I think Vela is going to start, he's practiced today... so he might be in the starting line up.


I hope for a

Ochoa
Salcido Moreno Maza Osorio
Torrado Marquez Guardado
Dos Santos Hernandez Vela/Barrera

We all know that's not going to happen so I can only hope for a 2-1 Argentina

[SAtown]

Unlike 06, I'm not at all scared of this match. I've seen this movie before, I know how it ends.

Good luck to the Argies vs England next match.

[IronMexican]

There's no way it could hurt as bad as 2006. The cock tease to go up early and lose in ET. Not even losing in penalties can be that bad, cause Mexico has been bad at penalties forever.

[SAtown]

I hope for a

Ochoa
Salcido Moreno Maza Osorio
Torrado Marquez Guardado
Dos Santos Hernandez Vela/Barrera



That would be pretty damn nice

Also, imagine Jonathan Dos Santos playing on the opposite side of Gio, It would give the team other options throughout the match and have threats on both sides. Aguirre is still an idiot, regardless of the miracle that will happen.

[SAtown]

There's no way it could hurt as bad as 2006. The cock tease to go up early and lose in ET. Not even losing in penalties can be that bad, cause Mexico has been bad at penalties forever.

The loss to Bulgaria in pk's at the Meadowlands in 94 hurt pretty fucking bad, actually, a lot more than the Maxi loss.

[Sense]

What really sucked about 06... was that Mexico outplayed Argentina for the majority of the game.

Maxi's shot was amazing.

[IronMexican]

I was 4.

[Sense]

I was 6 :/

[SAtown]

i was 9 lol

I had just gotten done with Spurs Camp that day too, I was fucking pumped for the match

[DAF86]

According to one of the Univision broadcasters, it is rumored that Ochoa might start tomorrow....

That's strange, why would Aguirre change his goalie now after some normal performances by him?

[DAF86]

This could be a pretty entertaining match with a lot of goals, they both have a lot of talent and speed in the attack and are a little shaky and slow in the back.

I'm so fucking nervous, I have an awful feeling about this match.

[Sense]

That's strange, why would Aguirre change his goalie now after some normal performances by him?

To be honest, I don't know... but this is a good thing.

Putting Perez to start the last 3 games was a bad decision

[IronMexican]

To be fair to Perez, all gols scored on him, he could do nothing about it. Maybe on the Shabalala gol, he could have run out.

[Sense]

This could be a pretty entertaining match with a lot of goals, they both have a lot of talent and speed in the attack and are a little shaky and slow in the back.

I'm so fucking nervous, I have an awful feeling about this match.

You really shouldn't be nervous... your team delivers when it has to, and they make their opportunities count.


Mexico on the other hand, does have a history of choking in big games. Has had A LOT of trouble this year trying to get ANY goal in the net.

It's hard to say how we're going to be able to score, Vela and Dos Santos haven't really been playing well together recently, and with Aguirre's lineups, no one's used to playing together.

Overall, I'm not nervous about Mexico, I know what they can do.. but I also know a lot about the choke jobs they've done in past games/world cups. It is more likely that Mexico chokes than Argentina gets surprised.

[urunobili]

lol Ole kissing Uruguay's ass

http://www.ole.com.ar/mundial/uruguay/Arriba-celeste-blanca_0_287371376.html

I am an Argie follower but they should let them know about "Uruguayans best kept secret" :lol

[Sense]

To be fair to Perez, all gols scored on him, he could do nothing about it. Maybe on the Shabalala gol, he could have run out.


This is true, but who would you rather see in the field?

I still think Ochoa is the better keeper, and we want to give Ochoa some time on the field in the biggest tournament in the world. He needs to get that experience for other world cups, as do Chicharito, Guardado, Vela, and Barrera

[DAF86]

You really shouldn't be nervous... your team delivers when it has to, and they make their opportunities count.


Mexico on the other hand, does have a history of choking in big games. Has had A LOT of trouble this year trying to get ANY goal in the net.

It's hard to say how we're going to be able to score, Vela and Dos Santos haven't really been playing well together recently, and with Aguirre's lineups, no one's used to playing together.

Overall, I'm not nervous about Mexico, I know what they can do.. but I also know a lot about the choke jobs they've done in past games/world cups. It is more likely that Mexico chokes than Argentina gets surprised.
IMO, Mexico's play in this WC has been underrated (mostly because they haven't been able to score) and Argentina's a little overrated (yes we have created a lot of chances but we've suffer in the back against teams that aren't even half as offensive minded as Mexico).

I fear the fact that Mexico is a great passing team and could take the ball away from us, that's what most hurts this team, imo, I would rather play a defensive team that waits in their own half the whole game.

I also feel uneasy with the rivalry between this two and the fact that Mexico is due a victory against us, the law of averages is with you.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Would you two quit trying to out-jinx the hell out of each other!!

[Sense]

Would you two quit trying to out-jinx the hell out of each othe!!

lol it seems like that, but c'mon....


We all know Mexico chokes, it's no secret.

[DAF86]

Would you two quit trying to out-jinx the hell out of each other!!

Did you see my pick were I predicted Argentina to go to the semis? I'm not much of an "anti-jinx" guy, I say what I think or in the strange case of not wanting to "jinx" something I just stay quiet, I don't write shit up that I don't bealive just to don't jinx my team. I really have a bad feeling about this one.

Besides I gave my reasons of why I don't feel comfortable playing Mexico, it's not just because.

[IronMexican]

This is true, but who would you rather see in the field?


Agreed. Just giving Perez a little props for playing decent:lol



Starting to get the butterflies for tomorrow.

[Sense]

Agreed. Just giving Perez a little props for playing decent:lol



Starting to get the butterflies for tomorrow.

Yeah while DAF86 makes some valid points, I'm still just trying to be realistic.


I hope for a great game on both parts, and may the best team win.

[DAF86]

No Samuel tomorrow, huge loss, he's our best defender.

[ElNono]

I officially cannot sleep. This is going to be a very competitive match.
Supposedly, Argentina starting eleven are:

-----------------Romero-----------------
Otamendi-Demichelis-Burdisso-Heinze
---Maxi-----Mascherano----Di Maria---
-----------Messi---------Tevez----------
-----------------Higuain-----------------


Looks like Samuel is not fit yet, and I don't know what's up with Verón...
Otamendi for Jonas has probably to do with Maradona liking what Otamendi did as a full back against Greece.

[ElNono]

So, is Mexico going to do man-to-man on Messi? If they do, who takes him? Salcedo? Marquez?

[SAtown]

So, is Mexico going to do man-to-man on Messi? If they do, who takes him? Salcedo? Marquez?

Probably Salcido since Marquez is playing as a defensive mid now. He's a great defender, but that doesn't matter vs Messi

[ElNono]

I still feel uneasy about Argentina's reaction if they fall behind... I don't know how and if they can handle it. If Argentina is forced forward, Mexico is going to have quite a few chances on the counter.

[ElNono]

World Cup 2010: Mexico's great love-hate relationship with Argentina (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/jun/26/world-cup-2010-mexico-argentina)
The USA have always been Mexico's arch rivals – but there's something about La Albiceleste that rankles

Posted by
Marco Dávila

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2010/6/17/1276777861925/Mexico-training-006.jpg

When Mexico's president, Felipe Calderón, published an analysis last week of the drug wars that bleed our country, it came as no surprise he referred so much to the US. After all, it's part of our culture to point the finger at Uncle Sam whenever something bad happens to us.

If we're an underdeveloped country with an everlasting economic crisis, child obesity, industrial pollution and a shameful political class, we think it's because of them.

Of course that's only perception. What's for real is that sometimes they treat Mexican immigrants as criminals, and that over 150 years ago they took from our country the modern-day states of California, Arizona and New Mexico in the infamous Mexican-American war. Those are some of the main reasons why the "Star Spangled Banner" is booed everytime the USA play in the Azteca Stadium. The others have to do with football.

Over the past years the US soccer team has been our biggest rival; our nemesis; the team we love to hate so much that it seemed impossible there could be another one. But then came Argentina.

We've never fought a war against them. Neither have they invaded us, or taken a square foot from our territory. In fact we've always had a good relationship. Argentinians make us feel at home when we visit Buenos Aires and never behave like Idaho spring-breakers when they come to Cancún.

Besides, there are thousands of "porteños" who live in Mexico City. Some of them own excellent Argentinian restaurants, others work as creative divas in advertising agencies. If they're women and they're pretty, they get work as actresses or models; and if they play football a little better than the Argentina-born Guille Franco, they might get Mexican citizenship and play for our national team in the World Cup.

Nevertheless, we cannot stand their football team. We just can't. How could we when La Albiceleste has beaten El Tri over and over again?

Back in 1993, when the best Mexican side of all time reached the final of the Copa América, Argentina beat us 2-1. Later on, in 2005, when Mexico were playing the best football in the Confederations Cup, they kicked our ass in the semi-final, and a year later they did it again in the second round of the World Cup.

On Sunday, when both teams face each other for the 10th time in five years, millions of Mexicans will be praying for revenge. But even the Virgin of Guadalupe can't do much when they have Lionel Messi and Gonzalo Higuaín on their side, while we have Franco on ours.

So we can expect that Argentina will win, as usual; Mexico will be looking for someone to blame, as always; and the USA will remain in second place among the teams we love to hate, forever.

[ElNono]

World Cup: Guillermo Franco pledges allegiance to the Mexican flag (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/06/world-cup-franco-pledges-allegiance-to-the-mexican-flag.html)

If things had worked out a little differently, Mexican forward Guillermo Franco could have been on the other side of the field when El Tri takes on Argentina Sunday in a second-round World Cup match.

At least that's what Franco's birth certificate says.

His heart, however, says something different.

Born in Argentina, Franco has started all three of Mexico's matches in this World Cup and has played in two dozen international matches for El Tri. And he insists there will be no mixed emotions Sunday.

"I'm Mexican," Franco said in a press conference. "I feel 100% Mexican since the day I was naturalized.

"I made the decision to be Mexican. I didn't decide where I was born -- God made that decision. But I made the decision to become Mexican and I feel proud of that."

Franco, 33, began his professional soccer career with San Lorenzo of the Argentine first division, playing there from 1996 to 2002. He joined Monterrey of the Mexican Primera Division midway through 2002 and became a naturalized Mexican citizen two years later, a year before being selected to the national team. In 2006 he played for Mexico in the World Cup.

"I never imagined my life would change during my time in Mexico," Franco said. "The opportunities that country has shown me, the love, I have two Mexican daughters -- there are a lot of reasons why I tipped my heart towards Mexico."

Now he faces the homeland he left in a game in which only one can go on -- just as in 2006, when Argentina sent Mexico home with a 2-1 victory.

"Soccer always gives you the opportunity for revenge and in this World Cup that has been the case," Franco said. "That's why we are preparing very well for Argentina. Now I just hope the victory is there for us."

-- Kevin Baxter in Rustenburg, South Africa

[ElNono]

Maradona worried by Mexico (http://sports-betting-news.bestbetadvice.com/maradona-worried-mexico)

Argentina coach Diego Maradona has admitted he is worried by the threat posed by Mexico ahead of their second round clash.

El Tri have looked good going forward in the build-up to the World Cup and at the tournament itself, creating plenty of opportunities in their three matches thus far.

While they haven't taken the majority of those, Maradona is worried by the prospect of facing a side who could pose Argentina their first serious threat.

"I don't know if (Cuauhtemoc) Blanco will play, or (Guillermo) Franco, although I hope he doesn't because he's good in the air. I think (Javier) Hernandez will play, he moves well all across the front line," the former world cup winner said.

"I think Marquez will play at sweeper because he looked lost in midfield. But these are just my ideas. We know it will be a tough match but with the team and players we have, we can move forward."

Mexico will have plenty of motivation to overcome Argentina having been dumped out by the two time winners at the same stage in 2006 World Cup.

Mexico are likely to bring back Efrain Juarez back into the defence after his one game ban while Carlos Vela could also be available having overcome a hamstring injury.

Maradona has a fully fit squad to choose from and is likely to bring back the likes of Carlos Tevez, Javier Mascherano and Gonzalo Higuain after they were rested for the game against Greece.

[ElNono]

Mexico battles its inferiority complex before match with soccer powerhouse Argentina (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-argentina-20100627,0,1019971.story)
Mexicans go into Sunday's game aware their team is the underdog against the fabled Albicelestes. They're torn between national pride that whispers 'just maybe' and the louder voice that says 'no way.'
By Tracy Wilkinson, Los Angeles Times

Reporting from Mexico City —
Three days before Mexico faced powerhouse Argentina in the World Cup knockout phase, the new Argentine ambassador here happened to be presenting her credentials to Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

"I told the president, 'May the best team win,' " Patricia Vaca recalled. "He said, 'No, no, may Mexico win!' "

Mexicans go into Sunday's game fully aware that they are the underdog against fabled Argentina. They are torn between national pride that whispers "just maybe" and the louder voice that says "no way."
The World Cup qualifying shuffle that pitted Mexico against Argentina revived deep-seated Mexican feelings of inadequacy — even as those sentiments were tinted with awe for best-on-the-planet Lionel Messi, the larger-than-life Diego Maradona and the great Albicelestes (white-and-sky-blue), as the Argentine team is known.

"Mexico does not have the weapons to win against a team like Argentina," Jose Ramon Fernandez, one of Mexico's top sports commentators, said in a radio interview. "Argentina has talented players and a good game. What does Mexico have? Nothing. It will look ridiculous."

Ouch.

One Mexican newspaper survey had more than two-thirds of Mexicans predicting that their team would lose. The social media networks were full of dire assessments. Even Mexico's 2-0 defeat of France had more to do with the implosion of the French team than any talent from Mexico, said the chattering masses.

(This, from "Carlos" on Twitter: Cheer up friends! Better to prepare for the defeat and then it won't hurt so badly.)

Miffed, star defender Rafael Marquez weighed in to say that he had had enough of the gloom and doom. As Mexicans, he said, we allow pessimism to defeat us. He spoke of the national inferiority complex and urged his compatriots to shelve it.

"Unfortunately sometimes we don't seem to believe in ourselves, and that's the extra 'plus' that other teams have," Marquez said in a news conference in Pretoria, South Africa. "And not just in football. We need to change that mentality and do the best we can in order to be great."

He added: "Yeah, it's Argentina. So what?"

As Vaca, the Argentine ambassador, pointed out, Mexico is home to thousands of Argentines, which will make for some up-close-and-personal rivalry come game time Sunday. Mexico has often welcomed Latin America's outcasts, and Argentines sought refuge here from brutal military juntas in the 1970s and '80s and, again, during Argentina's more recent economic collapse.

Overall, this World Cup has been very good for Latin Americans. Six of the seven Latin American teams that started out advanced to the second round (the exception: unlikely Honduras). Five of the surviving teams are from South America (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chile and Brazil), a record-high representation for that continent.

And as Uruguay's struggle to conquer South Korea on Saturday proved, anything can happen. Uruguay prevailed, 2-1, but it was no walk in the park against what was widely considered a weaker team.

Maybe Mexicans should take heart in that. Exactly four years ago, in the same round-of-16 stage of the World Cup, Mexico faced Argentina amid similarly negative forecasts. But a scrappy Mexican squad managed to hold Argentina to a tie through regulation play, before the Argentines finally won in overtime.

Mexico's coach then was Ricardo La Volpe — an Argentine.

[Sense]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if you guys took Franco back.

[Sense]

(This, from "Carlos" on Twitter: Cheer up friends! Better to prepare for the defeat and then it won't hurt so badly.)


Exactly what I'm trying to do :lol


"Unfortunately sometimes we don't seem to believe in ourselves, and that's the extra 'plus' that other teams have," Marquez said in a news conference in Pretoria, South Africa. "And not just in football. We need to change that mentality and do the best we can in order to be great."


This.... I can't believe Rafa admitted it, but he knows what it is to be a winner.

He knows this teams weakness, if Mexico doubts the club, the players doubt themselves.

They don't play as a team, they only thrive on expectations, and they fall apart when they think they're supposed to.

I hope I'm wrong, I hope this team comes out confident and ready to prove Mexico they can win.

But it is highly unlikely.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

To be honest, I wouldn't mind if you guys took Franco back.

:lol

[Libri]

Guardado is super pissed and has a right to be.

[Sense]

I'm fixing to get really drunk tomorrow....


Brought my uncles grill, got the seasonings ready,fixing to buy some meat tomorrow... beers.

I'm going enjoy the loss lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

From what I keep reading, it looks like you've got nothing to be worried about. I mean, if you already think you're losing, then you can only be pleasantly surprised, right?

[Sense]

From what I keep reading, it looks like you've got nothing to be worried about. I mean, if you already think you're losing, then you can only be pleasantly surprised, right?

I will only be surprised if Aguirre decides to take his head out of his ass and starts Ochoa, Guardado, and Chicharito.

Since it won't happen, I can only expect a loss.


If I do get surprised however, I'll be watching the game differently.

[Libri]

I'm fixing to get really drunk tomorrow....


Brought my uncles grill, got the seasonings ready,fixing to buy some meat tomorrow... beers.

I'm going enjoy the loss lol

I like to put onion, wrapped in foil, on the grill.

[Phenomanul]

I will only be surprised if Aguirre decides to take his head out of his ass and starts Ochoa, Guardado, and Chicharito.

Since it won't happen, I can only expect a loss.


If I do get surprised however, I'll be watching the game differently.


^This

[ElNono]

I hate the fact that Mexico is due for a breakthrough... It's making me incredibly nervous...

[SevenX]

Hopefully the Aguirre plays our best players instead of dinosaurs. It's good that Chicharito is supposedly starting, but I'm worried he won't start Guardado.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. That damn goal from 06 still haunts me.

[IronMexican]

And eat the onion? Since going vegetarian, the only thing I can eat at a carne asada is grilled corn.

[Libri]

Apparently, Barrera and Chicharito will start.

[Sense]

I like to put onion, wrapped in foil, on the grill.

We can't do a cook out without the onions...

take em out, mix them with butter, pepper and lemon.

mmmmm

[Dinamita]

Argentina coach Diego Maradona has admitted he is worried by the threat posed by Mexico ahead of their second round clash.


"I don't know if (Guillermo) Franco, will play, although I hope he doesn't because he's good in the air.
Maradona got Jokes

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[FkLA]

Juarez is a pimp, cant believe some of you are bad mouthing him...easily an undisputed starter. Hasnt been had his best performances in the WC, partially because of the two yellow cards, but still there's no player like him at holding mid/right back. The kid runs the entire 90 minutes non-stop, he was widely considered Mexico's best player during the preparation games. Very likely he'll get picked up by a European club after the WC.

I do think they should make room for Guardado though, so Id take out Osorio and move Juarez to right back and have Guardado take Juarez' place in midfield. Osorio has lost that speed that used to make up for his lack of size imo. Guys like Shabalala and Mphela made him look slowwww.

[FkLA]

http://escuelasjuarez.com/juarez/images/stories/bandera%20mexicana.jpg

[ffadicted]

2 - 1 Mexico, with Messi remaining scoreless for the argies; the headlines read of maradona's failure and Messi's continued international disapointment tomorrow.

:smokin

[ElNono]

2 - 1 Mexico, with Messi remaining scoreless for the argies; the headlines read of maradona's failure and Messi's continued international disapointment tomorrow.

:smokin

I thought you had him on your fantasy team?

[ffadicted]

I thought you had him on your fantasy team?

he may or may not be my captain today lol :wakeup

[ElNono]

he may or may not be my captain today lol :wakeup

:lol

[MB20]

I'm nervous.
Everybody is saying that this is a sure Argie victory...Mexico can't win...blah blah blah

If they have some pride, mexican players will be super motivated.
I know I would be...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

he may or may not be my captain today lol :wakeup

:lol

[Muser]

Argentina win 3-1

[MB20]

2hs30mins to go...heartbeat over 100/min already.

[IronMexican]

If Mexico loses today, at least I can say my coach doesn't have such a faggy earring. That would be embarrassing.

[DAF86]

he may or may not be my captain today lol :wakeup

That's it, we're officially screwed.

[ElNono]

If Mexico loses today, at least I can say my coach doesn't have such a faggy earring. That would be embarrassing.

Just give me the earrings... at 25k euros each, I'll take them faggy or not...

[Sense]

That's it, we're officially screwed.

lol you should say that when Bokefal makes his predictions, he's been horrible :lol

[IronMexican]

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/102418198.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E69FBBC162AB1E8CE1 38F3C74D8762DB2AD86F269AC9BB2A4EE30A760B0D811297



Thom Yorke at the Glasto on Friday. Can't lose with the power of Thom:hat

[ElNono]

wish Univision would stop putting a mic in every Argie face... lol

[IronMexican]

wish Univision would stop putting a mic in every Argie face... lol

What are they saying? I got my headphones on. I just look up whenever I see the chicks.

[ffadicted]

:lol

:lol

That's it, we're officially screwed.
Fuck you all, I'm not doing THAT bad lol :depressed

[ElNono]

What are they saying? I got my headphones on. I just look up whenever I see the chicks.

That Argentina is going to win.

[Sense]

lol@the mexican dude saying " El Argentino que nos va hacer mas daño es Franco"

[SevenX]

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/102418198.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF87892102A727B1636DE2E69FBBC162AB1E8CE1 38F3C74D8762DB2AD86F269AC9BB2A4EE30A760B0D811297



Thom Yorke at the Glasto on Friday. Can't lose with the power of Thom:hat

Really? Fuck yeah.

[Libri]

I heard that goal keepers don't get as many offers to play in Europe unless they stand out. This WC was Ochoa's opportunity to show case himself as a very good goal keeper and maybe get some offers from European clubs. It wouldn't surprise me if his confidence starts to go down because he wasn't given an opportunity to demonstrate his skills and thus play overseas.

[ElNono]

Is el Bofo playing? :lol

[Libri]

I saw this on Twitter from Fernando Schwartz, alineación: Conejo. Juárez, Maza, Moreno, Salcido. Torrado, Rafa, Guardado en el medio, Bofo, Gio y Chicharito.
--------

Bofo starting?

[ElNono]

I'm liking el Conejo... :tu

[ElNono]

I bet you Verón is going to start for Argentina... They keep saying Maxi, but Verón wouldn't want to miss this game unless he's injured...

[DAF86]

I bet you Verón is going to start for Argentina... They keep saying Maxi, but Verón wouldn't want to miss this game unless he's injured...

The thing is that it doesn't matter what Veron wants is what Maradona wants.

[SevenX]

Bofo? Awwww fuck you Aguirre.

We're fucked.

[IronMexican]

Bofo starting. Time to watch this game for the comedy. Hopefully Barrera can come in and it's still a tie.

[ElNono]

I saw this on Twitter from Fernando Schwartz, alineación: Conejo. Juárez, Maza, Moreno, Salcido. Torrado, Rafa, Guardado en el medio, Bofo, Gio y Chicharito.
--------

Bofo starting?

They just confirmed this lineup on Univision.

Maxi also starts for Argentina...

[Sense]

I saw this on Twitter from Fernando Schwartz, alineación: Conejo. Juárez, Maza, Moreno, Salcido. Torrado, Rafa, Guardado en el medio, Bofo, Gio y Chicharito.
--------

Bofo starting?

:bang


Why isn't Vela or Barrera in there?


Sigh, we at least he's better than Franco and Blanco... lol I hope

[Dinamita]

ARe you fucking kidding me???????? Bofo?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

[IronMexican]

Still a whole hour away.

[Dinamita]

Cant wait to see bofo kick the ball 30 feet above the keepers head. And Super excited to see his excellent passing skills and his amazing ability to maintain the ball!!

[IronMexican]

Cant wait to see bofo kick the ball 30 feet above the keepers head


You remember the copa de oro in 2007? He had the ball right in front of the net and kicked it to the moon.

[IronMexican]

Takis commercial:tu

[Dinamita]

You remember the copa de oro in 2007? He had the ball right in front of the net and kicked it to the moon.

This happens every time he plays bitch thinks he's good too.

[ElNono]

Univision cat fight filler is the lamest shit ever... show me some interviews, some history on the game, some goals, or a fucking strip tease of the bitches... this is lame as hell.

[Dinamita]

I would rather have Franco start instead of lame ass Bofo.. :bang

[Dinamita]

Univision cat fight filler is the lamest shit ever... show me some interviews, some history on the game, some goals, or a fucking strip tease of the bitches... this is lame as hell.

I hate that shit too. Especially their half time show. Fernando Fiore doesn't know shit. I always switch over to ESPN during half time.

[Spurologist]

is Vela still injured?

[ElNono]

I'm surprised Univision hasn't called some kind or witch or spiritist to conjure some black magic shit...

[IronMexican]

http://i47.tinypic.com/nmyvxd.png

[ffadicted]

Vamos Mexico!!!

http://ed101.bu.edu/StudentDoc/current/ED101sp09/peaton/taco.jpg

[IronMexican]

Lol, that Argentine could barely speak.

[IronMexican]

Lol that one talks the same

[mudyez]

hope argentina wins!

just for manu!

and I'd like us to face them again the the QF...makes for a nice match!

[FkLA]

Why do these fucking coaches always have to mind fuck Mexican fans...I mean seriously Bofo?!?! He's easily the worst player on the team and is just as slow as Cuau but lacks the balls. I mean how the hell do you try to field a 'fast' line-up yet have someone like Bofo in there, fucking disgrace.

Regardless of the outcome of today's game give me Bielsa as our coach. Aguirre is a fool.

[ffadicted]

Time for some Mexico domination :stirpot:

[IronMexican]

God fucking Bofo

[~Sweetmelody~]

Come on Mexico! Si se puede!

[ffadicted]

Damn those argentine kits are ugly with the blue shorts lol

[boston.balla]

i love the colors of the argentinian jerseys :)

[boston.balla]

Damn those argentine kits are ugly with the blue shorts lol

lol brazilian with *golden* thoughs .. *green* light to those :lol

[IronMexican]

Fucking vuvuzelas.

[boston.balla]

daaaaaaaaamm long range bomb

[ffadicted]

Shit that looked like it was in for a sec lol

[IronMexican]

man

[boston.balla]

sons it's fair to say mexico should be 1-0 after those two shots .. argies is lucky.

[Spurologist]

:lmao

Romero

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Mexico is definitely outplaying us

[IronMexican]

Mexico is definitely outplaying us

But Mexico doesn't have the same talent.

[tlongII]

Mexico's back line looks shaky.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

But Mexico doesn't have the same talent.

that wasn't a jinx attempt, Mexico is playing better

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It really doesn't matter whether we win today or not. We're not beating Germany playing like this. Maradona's "all heart, no strategy" bullshit approach is getting exposed.

[Muser]

Mexico dominating early on.

[IronMexican]

that wasn't a jinx attempt, Mexico is playing better

They are. But they don't have the capabilities to finish.

[IronMexican]

Juarez is garbage.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Awful, awful football by Argentina

[Spurologist]

Is Veron injured? I thought he played well in the group stages

[boston.balla]

It really doesn't matter whether we win today or not. We're not beating Germany playing like this. Maradona's "all heart, no strategy" bullshit approach is getting exposed.

the no density in midfield heinze and demichelis first team are gonna bite you .. you can't win with that formation... told you before, maradona destroys a great argie generation.

[boston.balla]

lol messi is so poorly used i find it hard to watch...

[Muser]

Messi breaks his drought.

No it was tevez. lol offside.

[IronMexican]

Matter of time.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

:lol Messi makes something out of nothing once again

[Spurologist]

didn't see that coming

[boston.balla]

let's hope the goal creates more space for some nice football

[Muser]

It's been a bad day for linesman.

[tlongII]

Waaay offside!

[boston.balla]

yeaaah I love it when it gets ugly early...

[Spurologist]

if the ref made the call, i don't think you can change it

[Sense]

offside... shame

[Muser]

:lmao at the linesman looking scared as shit.

[IronMexican]

Wow, super offside.

[resistanze]

Fuck this World Cup. Embarrassment.

[tlongII]

These guys are worse than NBA refs! :lmao

[boston.balla]

damm boy that's what i'm talking bout!!!

[IronMexican]

Mexico has lost it already.

[resistanze]

How the fuck does a linesman miss that? Are you serious?

[45 bank shot]

lol @ people complaining how bad the nba officiating is lol

[tlongII]

At least NBA refs have an agenda. These guys are just incompetent.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol ref = same douche bag whose been in a few controversy game calls...wtf they still usin this clown

[Sense]

Games have been decided by the refs way too much in this World Cup

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Don't worry, Mexico playing like they are, they are bound to tie

[Spurologist]

The problem with Mexico is I don't know if they are a comeback team. Every time US fathers them with a lead, they unravel

[boston.balla]

this has all the chances to get out of hand ... look for some more ugly tackles, that latin blood. ... now seriously, feel bad for mexico, the refs just cut the air out of them

[Sense]

Don't worry, Mexico playing like they are, they are bound to tie

:rolleyes

[IronMexican]

The problem with Mexico is I don't know if they are a comeback team. Every time US fathers them with a lead, they unravel

I've seen Mexico come back from 1-0 vs USA. It was at Estadio Azteca. They are done though. Mexico is not a come back team.

[lefty]

Soooooooooo






Some vidéo review


Someday




Someday

[IronMexican]

Game over.

[boston.balla]

Lol lmao

[MaNuMaNiAc]

:lol that was a pretty fucking dismal mistake

[tlongII]

:lmao

[mudyez]

wow the mexican defender gets payed too?

[Sense]

Nice assist by MExico

[Muser]

John Terry plays for Mexico.

[Spurologist]

:lmao

Heinze hitting the camera after getting hit

[mudyez]

he didnt even try to hide he is bribed! :)

[TheProfessor]

Oops.

[timvp]

lmao mexico

[boston.balla]

the argie keeper is bound for a robert green moment..

[timvp]

rofl mexico

[resistanze]

:lmao

Heinze hitting the camera after getting hit

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[45 bank shot]

did the Argentinian player shoved the cameraman after he banged his head on the camera lol?

[Muser]

Another mistake :lmao

[boston.balla]

man this is unreal how many mistakes... shit even kids dont make such stuff...

[Spurologist]

:rollin Osorio

[boston.balla]

the ref is annoying as hell with all those whistles .. let them play fucktard.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

did the Argentinian player shoved the cameraman after he banged his head on the camera lol?

to say Heinze is a hothead would be the understatement of the century

[Sense]

It's a shame I really believe this should be 0-0

That offside killed Mexico's mentality

[Muser]

No, Mexicos shitty defending has cost them.

[Sense]

No, Mexicos shitty defending has cost them.

:lol


You obviously don't know this team...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It's a shame I really believe this should be 0-0

That offside killed Mexico's mentality

you should be glad though, now you have your excuse served. You know you're looking for one

[resistanze]

It's a shame I really believe this should be 0-0

That offside killed Mexico's mentality

That mental lapse by the Mexican defender was unacceptable. But seriously, the referees need to be assaulted after the game.

These blindsmen are watching the game and not doing their job.

[IronMexican]

Juarez is so dirty. I hate him.

[IronMexican]

Anyone who knows Mexico knows they were done once it was 1-0. The way they acted after the first gol shows you.

[Muser]

:lol


You obviously don't know this team...

No, but I can see from these 40 minutes that they've sucked on defense.

[boston.balla]

what a miss

[ffadicted]

Higuain is such a bum lol

[Muser]

Should've been 3.

[Sense]

you should be glad though, now you have your excuse served. You know you're looking for one

It's not about excuses... Mexico was outplaying Argentina once again. This time, it wasn't an amazing goal that killed them.

It seems like you want to be on denial as far as the refs in this world cup. This certainly doesn't help your cause when it comes to that.

I definitely didn't expect them to win, but right now Argentina free goal is going to be remembered... especially by us.

This team coming in seemed like they were confident that they could beat this team.

Like I've been saying over and over... that's the reason this team loses, when the game changes on an offside like it did.

That's it, their mind is not in the game... they become nervous and lose all composure.

You're witnessing this

[urunobili]

Argentina's luck with rebounds, rivals idiocy and and ref help will eventually stop... they have been WAY WAY too lucky :wakeup

[Muser]

But that is an excuse, I could say Lampards dissalowed goal to make it 2-2 cost us the game. But like Mexico it was our shitty defending that cost us.

Although our defending was much, much worse.

[Dinamita]

First gol was offside but before it even got to that point Conejo should of held on to the fuckin ball! and then osorio gave argentina a gift.. faggots osrio plz go DIAF

Look at bofo out there stinking it up.

[Sense]

But that is an excuse, I could say Lampards dissalowed goal to make it 2-2 cost us the game. But like Mexico it was our shitty defending that cost us.

Although our defending was much, much worse.

I actually believe it could've been way more of a game.

England scored twice in what seemed a blink of an eye, when the momentum shifts it's a huge advantage.

Call it an excuse, up until that goal if you really didn't think Mexico had a great chance of beating Argentina then I don't know what game you're watching.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It's not about excuses... Mexico was outplaying Argentina once again. This time, it wasn't an amazing goal that killed them.

It seems like you want to be on denial as far as the refs in this world cup. This certainly doesn't help your cause when it comes to that.

I definitely didn't expect them to win, but right now Argentina free goal is going to be remembered... especially by us.

This team coming in seemed like they were confident that they could beat this team.

Like I've been saying over and over... that's the reason this team loses, when the game changes on an offside like it did.

That's it, their mind is not in the game... they become nervous and lose all composure.

You're witnessing this

I've been pretty straight forward about what I think about the reffing this tournament, there is no denial.

Yes, that was offsides. Mexicans taking the opportunity to blame it instead of themselves is pretty fucking pathetic. Not even the English are blaming the loss on the goal.

and by the way, Mexico is STILL outplaying us, and you're still losing. To say it should be 0-0 is fucking laughable. Say it should be 0-1 if anything... which means you'd STILL be losing.

[ffadicted]

Argentina looks like shit against the first half decent team they play. Germany is gonna feast on these pussies lol

[Muser]

Look at the Mexicans :lmao

[DAF86]

you should be glad though, now you have your excuse served. You know you're looking for one

Why are you such a bitch?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we're winning because of anything we're doing right to be honest. I think Mexico's defense has made horrible mistakes. So far, Mexico is playing better.

[Spurologist]

It's not about excuses... Mexico was outplaying Argentina once again. This time, it wasn't an amazing goal that killed them.

It seems like you want to be on denial as far as the refs in this world cup. This certainly doesn't help your cause when it comes to that.

I definitely didn't expect them to win, but right now Argentina free goal is going to be remembered... especially by us.

This team coming in seemed like they were confident that they could beat this team.

Like I've been saying over and over... that's the reason this team loses, when the game changes on an offside like it did.

That's it, their mind is not in the game... they become nervous and lose all composure.

You're witnessing this

those are excuses dude.....many teams are getting fucked by officiating. what sucks is that Mexico went from world beatings to playing like school boys. Those defensive mistakes are not caused by officiating. Now they are arguing with the refs like they think they've lost already....disgraceful.

[DAF86]

lol FIFA

I think it's pretty obvious by now that they should use the help of the technology. Expect a lot of compensation calls in the second half, the refs know they screwed up thanks to cameras in the stadium, another FIFA fail.

[Sense]

I've been pretty straight forward about what I think about the reffing this tournament, there is no denial.

Yes, that was offsides. Mexicans taking the opportunity to blame it instead of themselves is pretty fucking pathetic. Not even the English are blaming the loss on the goal.

and by the way, Mexico is STILL outplaying us, and you're still losing. To say it should be 0-0 is fucking laughable. Say it should be 0-1 if anything... which means you'd STILL be losing.

How can you blame the Mexicans on a terrible ref call?

Either way 2-0>1-0

I guess you expected Argentina to be given a gift by Osorio anyways?
:lol

If you really think it could've still been 1-0 then why isn't it 3-0?

2 gifts... yeah one was Mexico's fault, but had that offside not happened, what are the chances that it happens again?

Let's say Messi scores on one of his chances, what about Mexico's chances?

Your logic doesn't make sense

[ffadicted]

lol FIFA

I think it's pretty obvious by now that they should use the help of the technology.

lol... now? More like years ago

[Muser]

Also if it wasn't for shitty goalkeeping Messi wouldn't of got the ball to Tevez in the first place.

[IronMexican]

No one should be surprised by this. The moment Mexico faces ANY adversity, they crumble.

[FkLA]

ADD INSTANT REPLAY.

First goal took everything out of Mexico. Moreno shouldve been in there instead of Osorio too.

[IronMexican]

This is definitely Aguirre's last game. Only good thing.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Why are you such a bitch?


Let me put it this way, if Mexico decides to pack it in because of an uncalled offside, they deserve to lose, period.

So far, it doesn't look like they are packing it in. They are still outplaying us.

[boston.balla]

lol FIFA

I think it's pretty obvious by now that they should use the help of the technology. Expect a lot of compensation calls in the second half, the refs know they screwed up thanks to cameras in the stadium, another FIFA fail.

son you dreaming

[IronMexican]

Bofo was also about as bad as we all expected.

[Sense]

those are excuses dude.....many teams are getting fucked by officiating. what sucks is that Mexico went from world beatings to playing like school boys. Those defensive mistakes are not caused by officiating. Now they are arguing with the refs like they think they've lost already....disgraceful.

They've witnessed, just like you and I.. that most teams that end up getting screwed like they just did end up losing. They might be giving up already, but trying to fight it like they did was smart and they had the right to do that. They made the ref think about the call and it MIGHT help us in the second half.

You can't have those types of mistakes, especially against a team like Argentina

[boston.balla]

fifa will never alter the soul of the game.

[Whisky Dog]

Mexico doesn't have the mental toughness of the US team to rebound from goals although they have more talent. If you put Mexico's talent with the US's heart and toughness and a keeper taller than 5'8":lmao you'd have a very strong and hard to beat team.

I like the announcer : "Will these Argentinian players ever just get up when they go down instead of laying on the ground looking to get someone booked? It gets tiresome."

dirty floppers:lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

How can you blame the Mexicans on a terrible ref call?

Either way 2-0>1-0

I guess you expected Argentina to be given a gift by Osorio anyways?
:lol

If you really think it could've still been 1-0 then why isn't it 3-0?

2 gifts... yeah one was Mexico's fault, but had that offside not happened, what are the chances that it happens again?

Let's say Messi scores on one of his chances, what about Mexico's chances?

Your logic doesn't make sense

the "what if" game you are playing has no logic, so what exactly are you asking me? you're saying Osorios fuck up was because of the first goal, I'm saying you're full of shit. "What ifs" are excuses, period.

[boston.balla]

damn at the break I got a hd stream that shows alot of highlights ... that mistake by osario is insane ..

[DAF86]

I told you all that Higuain was world class.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This half has been all Argentina. They look like the team that is 10 times better.

The first goal sucked for Mexico, but that there is no excuse for that second one.

Mexico looked like the better from the tip off till the 8th minute. Then it all went downhill.

[Dinamita]

This is definitely Aguirre's last game. Only good thing.

Not because he's getting fired. He said he was done after the World Cup when he took the job. Now he gets to ride off into the sunset..

[DAF86]

fifa will never alter the soul of the game.

Bad reffing isn't the soul of the game.

[boston.balla]

This half has been all Argentina. They look like the team that is 10 times better.

The first goal sucked for Mexico, but that there is no excuse for that second one.

Mexico looked like the better from the tip off till the 8th minute. Then it all went downhill.

son have you been watching the same game as all of us?

[Spurologist]

Bofo was also about as bad as we all expected.

Bofo Bautista was close to signing in the MLS......that's all I need to know about him.

[DAF86]

I like the announcer : "Will these Argentinian players ever just get up when they go down instead of laying on the ground looking to get someone booked? It gets tiresome."

dirty floppers:lol

:rolleyes GTFO

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Let me be clear about this, I know it was offsides, I'm all for video replay being introduced so things like this don't happen.

[Spurologist]

This half has been all Argentina. They look like the team that is 10 times better.

The first goal sucked for Mexico, but that there is no excuse for that second one.

Mexico looked like the better from the tip off till the 8th minute. Then it all went downhill.

:rollin

[FkLA]

I told you all that Higuain was world class.

There were actually people arguing against this? He's the starting striker for Real Madrid for fucks sake.

[boston.balla]

Bad reffing isn't the soul of the game.

cmooooon ... it is THE soul of the game. ask blatter .. stern needs to take a course at the blatter academy, he just a toddler compared to the real puppet masters.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

:rolleyes GTFO

he's right

[SevenX]

2nd goal was fail. I feel bad for every player aside from Osario and Perez.

[mudyez]

Let me be clear about this, I know it was offsides, I'm all for video replay being introduced so things like this don't happen.

would it be boring without the germany-england non goal and things like that, we can talk about?

do you really want to have a perfect sport? I tell you: Its boring!

[boston.balla]

There were actually people arguing against this? He's the starting striker for Real Madrid for fucks sake.

like real madrid mean something... world class is villa, drogba..

[Spurologist]

Fifa ain't changing shit.....the most they'll do is add an extra referee

[Sense]

the "what if" game you are playing has no logic, so what exactly are you asking me? you're saying Osorios fuck up was because of the first goal, I'm saying you're full of shit. "What ifs" are excuses, period.

It's simple, do you think it happens if the goal doesn't count?

To say that the goal wasn't a game changer is being ignorant.
Sadly, yes Mexico should still be concentrated on the game, but Mexico has had some chances to score too. After the goal the team has been fouling more, passes have worse, and the defense has gotten worse as well.

I'm telling you this team needs confidence to win, how is that goal not a punch in their confidence's gut?

[DAF86]

There were actually people arguing against this? He's the starting striker for Real Madrid for fucks sake.

Yep, I was beign called a homer by most here for saying that Higuain was good.

[Whisky Dog]

:rolleyes GTFO

That's what the announcer said, not me. He called y'all a bunch of floppers, whichbis funny considering all you Argie fans were bitching so hard about it recently.

News flash bitches - every mother fucking team does it to a horrible extent. Your team included.

[Muser]

lmao italy.

[DAF86]

he's right

They aren't doing anything different to what all the other players in the world do.

[MannyIsGod]

People will look at the final scores and they will never tell the story of how much a bad call can impact a game. They see 2-0 and think "Oh a messed up single goal doesn't matter then" but thats the most foolish shit ever because obviously its a lot easier to lose focus when you're in a 1-0 situation due to a bad call then if you're at nil nil and out playing the other team. You can knock a team for mental toughness but teams shoudln't have to play in these holes they don't deserve. Its an artificial hurdle to have to cross and honestly it is really putting some serious tarnish on this WC.

I hope Mexico can show some heart and get some goals in the 2nd half but they've seemed to have lost all focus.

[mudyez]

Fifa ain't changing shit.....the most they'll do is add an extra referee

give them as many reffs as they want and make it a lumberjack match!!!

[boston.balla]

Yep, I was beign called a homer by most here for saying that Higuain was good.

he is just spooon fed, he didn't create shit and he misses alot.
He looks like a cristiano ronaldo type, all the people who watch stats jizz,
all the people who watch games are "good but not great"

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Maybe I am missing something? It seems like Argentina has been getting way way more opportunities than Mexico has in the first half.

Has ARG just been lucky or something?

[DAF86]

That's what the announcer said, not me. He called y'all a bunch of floppers, whichbis funny considering all you Argie fans were bitching so hard about it recently.

News flash bitches - every mother fucking team does it to a horrible extent. Your team included.

I didn't say shit.

[Dinamita]

Bofo Out Barrera in
Osorio Out Moreno in

please.

[FkLA]

like real madrid mean something... world class is villa, drogba..

higuain was second to messi for most goals in La Liga if im not mistaken, and right now he's the leading goalscorer in the WC so far...what exactly does he have to do to be world class?

[Kriz-Maxima]

With today's technology correcting a bad call like a blatant offside or the England goal shouldn't even take much time.

And if a team crumbles because of a bad call, they don't deserve to be in the game anyway.

[Sense]

Yep, I was beign called a homer by most here for saying that Higuain was good.

You're the most neutral Argentine fan on this board.

I've yet to see your homer side.

[DAF86]

he is just spooon fed, he didn't create shit and he misses alot.
He looks like a cristiano ronaldo type, all the people who watch stats jizz,
all the people who watch games are "good but not great"

Did you see the cold blood running through his vains as he went through past Perez?

[boston.balla]

People will look at the final scores and they will never tell the story of how much a bad call can impact a game. They see 2-0 and think "Oh a messed up single goal doesn't matter then" but thats the most foolish shit ever because obviously its a lot easier to lose focus when you're in a 1-0 situation due to a bad call then if you're at nil nil and out playing the other team. You can knock a team for mental toughness but teams shoudln't have to play in these holes they don't deserve. Its an artificial hurdle to have to cross and honestly it is really putting some serious tarnish on this WC.

I hope Mexico can show some heart and get some goals in the 2nd half but they've seemed to have lost all focus.

you're right, but the real thing here is not necesarily mental toughness (pro players should be used to this) but tactics imbalance, that is what really fucks a team up as in exposing yourself.

[urunobili]

lol FIFA

I think it's pretty obvious by now that they should use the help of the technology. Expect a lot of compensation calls in the second half, the refs know they screwed up thanks to cameras in the stadium, another FIFA fail.

:tu

[IronMexican]

Barrera wooo