Rj coming back

[EricB]

at a better contract.


According to Wojnarowski Pop has been personally working out RJ privately the last few weeks.


:) Suck it RJ haters.

[4>0rings]

Why do you wish this team to fail so much.

[mytespurs]

...if true, I imagine at a much lower price!!!

[DMX7]

A better contract? You mean longer? He sure as hell better not be getting 10+ million a season, which I'm sure he's probably going tl.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ugh, he's going to be here for years to come?..

[EricB]

Dont know specifics but its more "palatable" so I'm assuming 3 years 24 million something in that range.

[slick'81]

Ugh, he's going to be here for years to come?..

tell me about it :wow

[SequSpur]

good..i like rj....

[tdunk21]

i dont hate RJ....pop working out with him is good....

[DesignatedT]

Good decision IMO. I would have liked to see him play a season on a contract year though.

[EricB]

Mcdonald just posted the same thing on his Twitter account, so Im confident in my sources :)

[sananspursfan21]

whew. what a relief. we were all expecting too much out of him, but for 15 mil, rightfully so. i really think he'll be okay, especially if he's making half of what he was

[scottspurs]

If true, I'm alright with that. Nice to hear that he is dedicated. lol at everyone freaking out when he opted out though.

[Libri]

I remember that some had thought of this possibility but it seemed to outrages to happen.

[HarlemHeat37]

As I said before this happened, I like Jefferson as a 6th man..if he's a starter, the Spurs' defense is going to continue to be inconsistent and the spacing will continue to suck..he shouldn't be a role player, so the 6th man role is the best role for him..

Having him for 3 more years is annoying though, really annoying..

[Mel_13]

Passes the common sense test. 3yrs/24M would be great, wouldn't be surprised if its more.

[honestfool84]

whew. What a relief. We were all expecting too much out of him, but for 15 mil, rightfully so. I really think he'll be okay, especially if he's making half of what he was

+1

[TimmehC]

If RJ really did this for the good of the ownership and FO, then he's more of a Spur than I ever imagined.

[EricB]

As I said before this happened, I like Jefferson as a 6th man..if he's a starter, the Spurs' defense is going to continue to be inconsistent..


We shall see, from what i've heard, next year both RJ and Pop are gonna approach things differently and the Wojnarowski tweeting him and Pop personally working out together confirms that.

[angelbelow]

interesting indeed, we lose our big trade piece but at least we still have a starting sf. we arent going to find anyone of RJs calibur despite the bad fit - plus now we can operate with our LLE for another potential back up SF with RJ here or not.

[EricB]

If RJ really did this for the good of the ownership and FO, then he's more of a Spur than I ever imagined.

Yeah hearing he didn't want to be traded and this was what was proposed.

[4>0rings]

Will this mean people will now like RJ now that he's making the amount of money to match his skill level?

[ChuckD]

Mcdonald just posted the same thing on his Twitter account, so Im confident in my sources :)

That's a strike against your sources. McD is an assclown.

[Russ]

It makes perfect sense.

There's no way RJ opts out unless he has another deal in place.

And the only team he could legally talk to about any such deal before July 1 is . . . the Spurs.

[024]

the choice is between letting jefferson walk for nothing or giving him an extended contract that would tie up money for the next few years. hard decision. jefferson hasn't proved he can stay with the spurs long term, so why give him a longer contract? but if he walks, spurs get nothing in return except for massive tax relief.

[HarlemHeat37]

What exactly can Pop do for him?..

He doesn't have any lateral quickness and he often shows poor basketball IQ..the best we can hope for is that he improves his shooting and picks up better on the system(rotations, hot spots)..

He is better than nothing since he adds to depth purposes, but is it worth having him for 3 more years?..

[Trainwreck2100]

you people realize this hasn't been confirmed right?

[Sisk]

I'm betting between 8-10 million a season for 4-5 years.

I think it's a positive thing. He's getting more comfortable with his contract, taking less per year which helps holt's checkbook/cap space, and he's showing he wants to be better by working out with pop 1 on 1.

Hopefully by us scratching his back, he'll scratch ours. (waiting for gay jokes tbh)

[Creation88]

all you fucking retards suddenly caring for Richard Jefferson because you valued his CONTRACT have now morphed into you wanting him here long term!? WTF unbelievable

you guys will also be the first to bitch about him on this forum

[EricB]

interesting indeed, we lose our big trade piece but at least we still have a starting sf. we arent going to find anyone of RJs calibur despite the bad fit - plus now we can operate with our LLE for another potential back up SF with RJ here or not.

Under the luxury tax, which makes giving the FULL MLE to Splitter more palatable to Holt, and able to build depth with the LLE.

Can't reveal who they have in mind for the LLE but I was surprised when I heard it.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

if rj comes back i will not watch a spurs game until after the trade deadline real muthafucking talk i been a spurs fan since berth no bandwagon shit if he signs back to us i will stop being a fan until he is gone

[Trainwreck2100]

That's a strike against your sources. McD is an assclown.

WE'RE his fucking source

[Biggems]

I cant stand RJ, never could....however, I cannot be too down on him about last year. Pop's system is tough to learn, especially for a player who has a history of playing on teams that don't play defense. It usually takes a year to get adjusted. I feel that next season he should be much improved and far more comfortable with the team and the system on both ends.

[EricB]

Passes the common sense test. 3yrs/24M would be great, wouldn't be surprised if its more.

Yeah like I said I wasn't given numbers, purely my guess, and was told the contract was quote "nicer" :lol

[DesignatedT]

if rj comes back i will not watch a spurs game until after the trade deadline real muthafucking talk i been a spurs fan since berth no bandwagon shit if he signs back to us i will stop being a fan until he is gone

Good. - realtalk.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

someone ban eric b ho ass nigga is in luv with making the spurs a bad team go to spurs report ho

[EricB]

WE'RE his fucking source


Don't flatter yourself, your not.

[tdunk21]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aije5AsvnhNeyZEso0XYzL68vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz063010


Richard Jefferson’s decision to opt out of the final $15 million season of his contract might not be a sign he’s willing to leave the San Antonio Spurs.

Sources said Spurs coach Gregg Popovich has been personally working out Jefferson in San Antonio. The free-agent forward could re-sign with the team at a number that lowers the franchise’s luxury-tax hit while guaranteeing him more money on the back end of a multiyear contract.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, June 30, 10:30 ET

[EricB]

That's a strike against your sources. McD is an assclown.

Whatever makes you feel better.

[scottspurs]

if rj comes back i will not watch a spurs game until after the trade deadline real muthafucking talk i been a spurs fan since berth no bandwagon shit if he signs back to us i will stop being a fan until he is gone

See ya, nobody likes fans like you anyway.

[DesignatedT]

the choice is between letting jefferson walk for nothing or giving him an extended contract that would tie up money for the next few years. hard decision. jefferson hasn't proved he can stay with the spurs long term, so why give him a longer contract? but if he walks, spurs get nothing in return except for massive tax relief.

I think the choice has already been made. Like stated many times it's highly doubtful RJ would opt out of 15 mil without another deal in place. Pop personally working out with him shows they are both dedicated to try and make it work. The biggest gripe on RJ all year long was that he was making 15 mil a year. Now he will make what hes worth and save the spurs some money. Great deal for both parties.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

This is good news if this is in fact what happens. As Harlemheat said Rj would make a good 6th man. His defensive deficiencies would not be exposed as much playing against another team's second unit, their second unit can play a faster tempo which is where RJ can be at his best, and he will get more touches.

I wouldn't have minded Jefferson being moved for the right pieces, but the fact of the matter is he is the most talented option the Spurs have at the SF position. He also makes for a good 4th option, or a deadly 5th option if Hill continues to improve.

[Biggems]

if rj comes back i will not watch a spurs game until after the trade deadline real muthafucking talk i been a spurs fan since berth no bandwagon shit if he signs back to us i will stop being a fan until he is gone

well then take your fairweather ass on and dont let the door hit ya where the good Lord split yeah....to stop watching them cause of RJ is stupid.

Now if you were to stop because they signed Karl Malone, I would understand, and think strongly about joining you. But RJ is nowhere near the putrid level that Malone was, not even in the same galaxy.

[Trainwreck2100]

Don't flatter yourself, your not.

correct im not, but how many times have we said shit here and poof it gets reported?

[ducks]

I posted before here rj off the bench with hill all year
also rj could be the 6 man award if he came off the bench

[Sisk]

if rj comes back i will not watch a spurs game until after the trade deadline real muthafucking talk i been a spurs fan since berth no bandwagon shit if he signs back to us i will stop being a fan until he is gone

You've been a Spurs fan since BERTH?!

[EricB]

correct im not, but how many times have we said shit here and poof it gets reported?



Again, its not a media source....

[Ginobili2Duncan]

I posted before here rj off the bench with hill all year
also rj could be the 6 man award if he came off the bench



I said the same thing in middle of the season.

[SenorSpur]

Probably a back-loaded contract that will ease the financial burden on the Spurs.

[Sisk]

Can't reveal who they have in mind for the LLE but I was surprised when I heard it.

No one is stopping you on here. Let it spill

[ElNono]

So far it's just a rumor. In the meantime I'll be preparing my Fail, double-facepalm, etc collection in case he signs with the Nets... :lol

[DesignatedT]

RJ is better than anything we have at the position or anything we can afford in free agency... why some people would object to this is beyond stupid. The guy saves the spurs money and takes a paycut. good for him. I hope he can improve next year.

[EricB]

No one is stopping you on here. Let it spill

Losing trust from a source is whats stopping so no.

I got lucky I got one :lol

[SpursTillTheEnd]

i meant *birth* but if rj comes back i will clown everysingle one of yall unil rj is gone off this team real talk

[EricB]

So far it's just a rumor. In the meantime I'll be preparing my Fail, double-facepalm, etc collection in case he signs with the Nets... :lol

What do I get to do when it happens?

[DMX7]

How many times can this guy disappoint me in one lifetime?

[HarlemHeat37]

If Jefferson gets this deal, then damn, his agent hustled the Spurs nicely..I would have to give him a lot of credit for that, quality skills..

He knows that RJ opting out would probably hurt the Spurs, he knows RJ isn't going to get a deal from anybody else after the horrible season he just had(and the fact that he's on the decline)..the ball is in his court, and Jefferson/his agent could get the last laugh after everybody made fun of him for opting out(the media)..

[ElNono]

What do I get to do when it happens?

Self-deprecation is comical too... :toast

[SenorSpur]

As I said before this happened, I like Jefferson as a 6th man..if he's a starter, the Spurs' defense is going to continue to be inconsistent and the spacing will continue to suck..he shouldn't be a role player, so the 6th man role is the best role for him..

Having him for 3 more years is annoying though, really annoying..

True dat.

His offense will continue to suffer whenever he plays with TP.

[mattyc]

Probably a back-loaded contract that will ease the financial burden on the Spurs.

Yep. Works for me.

[Sisk]

Losing trust from a source is whats stopping so no.

I got lucky I got one :lol

:depressed

I figured that was the case, but I had to ask :toast

[DesignatedT]

If Jefferson gets this deal, then damn, his agent hustled the Spurs nicely..I would have to give him a lot of credit for that, quality skills..

You would really rather him just walk and leave us with nothing?

[Trainwreck2100]

If Jefferson gets this deal, then damn, his agent hustled the Spurs nicely..I would have to give him a lot of credit for that, quality skills..

he doesn't deserve a new deal, but the money they save might end up being more than they pay him so the spurs will still profit financially

[ChuckD]

Whatever makes you feel better.

Actually, I'd feel better if the E-N Spurs beat writer were NOT an assclown, but he is. His columns are poorly written, and riddled with basic factual errors.

[ElNono]

BTW, this is very plausible from the standpoint that RJ would get a long term deal (what he wants), and that Pop always like to give players at least two seasons under the program.

[4>0rings]

http://www.brady-quinn.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ohnowesuckagain.jpg

[EricB]

Actually, I'd feel better if the E-N Spurs beat writer were NOT an assclown, but he is. His columns are poorly written, and riddled with basic factual errors.

True.

[HarlemHeat37]

You would really rather him just walk and leave us with nothing?

It doesn't make a difference to me, I could see positives/negatives to both scenarios..

I'm just admiring the work his agent is doing if this deal is true..

[Ice009]

So who are they going for with the LLE EricB? You said someone surprising? I'm going to guess Shaq ;).

[LongtimeSpursFan]

RJ is better than anything we have at the position or anything we can afford in free agency... why some people would object to this is beyond stupid. The guy saves the spurs money and takes a paycut. good for him. I hope he can improve next year.


I dont understand why people cant see this. This is quite admirable on RJ. He has become 'Spurs' material player.

[DesignatedT]

It doesn't make a difference to me, I could see positives/negatives to both scenarios..

I'm just admiring the work his agent is doing if this deal is true..

I was just interested in seeing what you thought. Yeah, you can't deny that.

[Dr Cox]

i like this

[EricB]

So who are they going for with the LLE EricB? You said someone surprising? I'm going to guess Shaq ;).

:lol I said I couldn't tell but I can guarantee its not Shaq.

[Fabbs]

What exactly can Pop do for him?..
Pop can tell RJ how he used to have prime Big 3 plus great role players so all he should have done was roll out the practice balls and stay out of the way for the Spurs to title.

He can tell RJ he's had no clue since 2007 summer, but maybe they could embrace mediocrity together for at least 3 more years. Since Fins left him.

[DesignatedT]

Atleast tell us if its a big guy or small guy EricB. :lol then let us speculate haha

[eyeh8u]

:lol I said I couldn't tell but I can guarantee its not Shaq.
1 down 350 some odd to go, is it
Afflalo, Arron (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/arron_afflalo/index.html)

[DesignatedT]

Pop can tell RJ how he used to have prime Big 3 plus great role players so all he should have done was roll out the practice balls and stay out of the way for the Spurs to title.

He can tell RJ he's had no clue since 2007 summer, but maybe they could embrace mediocrity together since Fins left him?

Why is this not surprising?

[Fabbs]

What do I get to do when it happens?
To oil up Pop n RJ?

[Ice009]

:lol I said I couldn't tell but I can guarantee its not Shaq.

Would you tell us if we guess right???

[SenorSpur]

:lol I said I couldn't tell but I can guarantee its not Shaq.

C'mon man. It's ok to rat out your source. We wont tell anyone.

At least tell us what position it is. SF perhaps? Matt Barnes?

If we guess it correctly, just give a head nod.

[EricB]

Would you tell us if we guess right???

Nope :)

Like I said me and the source go way back and I'd like to keep it that way.

[Dunc n Dave]

:lol I said I couldn't tell but I can guarantee its not Shaq.

It's that bitch Ray Allen, isn't it? Oh God, please tell me it's not him!

[angelbelow]

Nope :)

Like I said me and the source go way back and I'd like to keep it that way.

well it doesnt seem like youre upset with the LLE candidate so thats a good sign at least

[SenorSpur]

They must be bringing back the Centerpiece. :lol

[SpursTillTheEnd]

eric b's source is his mama dont let this nigga fool yall

[Ice009]

Nope :)

Like I said me and the source go way back and I'd like to keep it that way.

Alright, but if we guess right then you're not going to lie about are you and say no way like you just did about Shaq?

I mean what was the point of even writing that if you can't say anything. I really find it pointless that you wrote it if you weren't willing to give out any hints or more info.

[HarlemHeat37]

eric b's source is his mama dont let this nigga fool yall

:lol

[Agloco]

Can't reveal who they have in mind for the LLE but I was surprised when I heard it.

Is it a godamm SF at least?

[jermaine]

Is it a godamm SF at least?

Nope its Big Z!

[4>0rings]

If Tparks happy with the LLE candidate you know he's going to be white and unathletic.

[Ice009]

If Tparks happy with the LLE candidate you know he's going to be white and unathletic.

It's not Matt Bonner is it? ;). Scalabrine?

[Mel_13]

Is it a godamm SF at least?

He implied as much.



Under the luxury tax, which makes giving the FULL MLE to Splitter more palatable to Holt, and able to build depth with the LLE.

Can't reveal who they have in mind for the LLE but I was surprised when I heard it.

[Marcus Bryant]

Jefferson gone helps the cash flow, but makes the team weaker as they'd be hard pressed to find a decent replacement, assuming the MLE goes to Splitter and they couldn't work out a S&T with Jefferson.

We'll see if he is the kind of player who needs time to figure out the Spurs' system and will show significant improvement in season two. Assuming whatever title window remains is fast closing (instead of already closed), keeping him at a lower per season price is better than not.

Splitter, Anderson, and health will fuel whatever last hurrah remains for the Duncan era Spurs.

[objective]

let's play along with the charade . . .

The LLE target must be McGrady.

An old, busted veteran who can't defend, rebound, shoot efficiently or hustle. Sounds like just the guy to become Pop's muse who plays undeserved minutes.

[jermaine]

It's not Matt Bonner is it? ;). Scalabrine?

I'm tellin yal, its Big Z or McGrady! Watch & see!

[ElNono]

My sourcezzzz just told me what's going on with RJ.

But I can't tell you my sources. Or what's going on with RJ... :hat

:lol

[Ice009]

let's play along with the charade . . .

The LLE target must be McGrady.

An old, busted veteran who can't defend, rebound, shoot efficiently or hustle. Sounds like just the guy to become Pop's muse who plays undeserved minutes.

Interesting guess.

[HarlemHeat37]

There isn't anybody that is "surprising" for the LLE, unless it's McGrady, like objective said, or somebody like Iverson(obviously not a SF)..who else would be considered "surprising"?..

[SpursTillTheEnd]

damn eric b just pm'd me, brace yourself wow this player is going to be a perfect fit
its brian cardinal

[ElNono]

There isn't anybody that is "surprising" for the LLE, unless it's McGrady, like objective said, or somebody like Iverson(obviously not a SF)..who else would be considered "surprising"?..

Amar'e? :lol

[mingus]

this is good because the spurs were so fucked at sf if he left. I expect him to do a lot better this year, esp his shooting.

[Ice009]

There isn't anybody that is "surprising" for the LLE, unless it's McGrady, like objective said, or somebody like Iverson(obviously not a SF)..who else would be considered "surprising"?..

I thought Shaq would be surprising. To me a surprising player would be someone who was a superstar like Shaq and McGrady that you'd never have been able to get for LLE type of money. Iverson would fit the bill too.

[SenorSpur]

Jefferson gone helps the cash flow, but makes the team weaker as they'd be hard pressed to find a decent replacement, assuming the MLE goes to Splitter and they couldn't work out a S&T with Jefferson.

We'll see if he is the kind of player who needs time to figure out the Spurs' system and will show significant improvement in season two. Assuming whatever title window remains is fast closing (instead of already closed), keeping him at a lower per season price is better than not.

Splitter, Anderson, and health will fuel whatever last hurrah remains for the Duncan era Spurs.

Somehow I don't see another season with the team helping RJ become a better defender or making him a more prolific 3-pt shooter.

Hopefully they can find a suitable, cheap backup SF. After all, this will most certainly be the "last hurrah".

[scottspurs]

There isn't anybody that is "surprising" for the LLE, unless it's McGrady, like objective said, or somebody like Iverson(obviously not a SF)..who else would be considered "surprising"?..

Some random foreign dude

[My Fault]

Under the luxury tax, which makes giving the FULL MLE to Splitter more palatable to Holt, and able to build depth with the LLE.

Can't reveal who they have in mind for the LLE but I was surprised when I heard it.

This and that any money shaved off RJ's contract is double the savings when in the luxury tax.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Nope :)

Like I said me and the source go way back and I'd like to keep it that way.

i think i have to ask you a question you keep on askn KBP, link source biatch

lies all lies

[DesignatedT]

damn eric b just pm'd me, brace yourself wow this player is going to be a perfect fit
its brian cardinal

:lol

[DPG21920]

Lol people cite the sources info all the time in the media. It's how they break stories. Why do you think they have them. Also lol at claiming sources on something that was reported well before your thread, WTF :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Jefferson's alright. Just not $15 mil + lux tax for a season alright.

If I'm looking for scapegoats/real issues for last season's disappointment, I'd start with the bigman rotation.

[mingus]

Last time I read Eric b had a source and he created a thread for it and it turned out 2 not pan out. Pretty sure it was Eric b

[Ice009]

What info has this source given you in the past that has been correct? I'd like a track record of this source to back this up a little.

[ElNono]

Jefferson's alright. Just not $15 mil + lux tax for a season alright.

If I'm looking for scapegoats/real issues for last season's disappointment, I'd start with the bigman rotation.

Then you're talking about RJ... lol

[EricB]

Lol people cite the sources info all the time in the media. It's how they break stories. Why do you think they have them. Also lol at claiming sources on something that was reported well before your thread, WTF :lol


I didn't do it to be the FIRST, just thought I'd let people know when I heard it.


Sorry....

[objective]

was it the source who picked the Cavs in 4 in 07? Or am I remembering it wrong?

[Marcus Bryant]

Not to mention TP's health.

Of course, if he's already headed to LA or NY mentally, then we might as well start counting the odds....

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/russ_granik_peter_holt_gregg_popovich.jpg

[Mr Bones]

I have a source too. He's on the inside-- way inside-- and he's really smart and he told me something very important and surprising. I wish I could share it with y'all, but I can't.

[crc21209]

Well if EricB...(and I trust the guy) is right...then this is good news. RJ working out with Pop is a very good sign as well. It's obvious the guy wants to improve, work hard, and probably do whatever he can to fit in with this team. What better way to start than by working out with Pop. Because if he really would bolt this team would be royally fucked with no starting SF...

[Thompson]

Come on EricB, give us a hint. At least tell us the position (SF?). Is it LeBron? It's LeBron, isn't it?! LeBron for the LLE!!!

[SenorSpur]

RJ working out with Pop is indeed a good sign. It also surprising, given the manner in which he bolted out of the locker room, without talking to the media, following that series-clinching win by the Suns in Game 4.

[Marcus Bryant]

Then you're talking about RJ... lol

Cause, not effect.

[crc21209]

Come on EricB, give us a hint. At least tell us the position (SF?). Is it LeBron? It's LeBron, isn't it?! LeBron for the LLE!!!

:lol. Hey EricB at least tell us this...it's not somebody that was on the Spurs last year right? Like Mason, Bogans, Bonner, etc.

[scottspurs]

Here is a list of potential shocking LLE signings IMO:

Josh Childress
Tony Allen
Michael Finley
Shaq
Big Z
Kwame Brown
Adam Morrison
Derek Fisher
Jermaine O'Neal
Udonis Haslem
John Salmons
Kurt Thomas
Darko M
T-Mac
Eddie House
Allen Iverson
Rasho
Oberto
Josh Howard

These would all be surprising to me.

[crc21209]

RJ working out with Pop is indeed a good sign. It also surprising, given the manner in which he bolted out of the locker room, without talking to the media, following that series-clinching win by the Suns in Game 4.

I dont blame him. He had just gotten swept....

[Creation88]

people buying into EricB's source BS. hahahaha ST is always worth laughs.

[ElNono]

Cause, not effect.

On a serious note, Splitter should help with that if he comes over...

[Chieflion]

Surprise signing would be T-Mac. But I doubt it.

[EricB]

Here is a list of potential shocking LLE signings IMO:

Josh Childress
Tony Allen
Michael Finley
Shaq
Big Z
Kwame Brown
Adam Morrison
Derek Fisher
Jermaine O'Neal
Udonis Haslem
John Salmons
Kurt Thomas
Darko M
T-Mac
Eddie House
Allen Iverson
Rasho
Oberto
Josh Howard

These would all be surprising to me.

I can easily tell you Finley Kurt Thomas and Shaq are not it.

[SenorSpur]

Surprise signing would be T-Mac. But I doubt it.

God, I'd clutch my heart, like Fred Sanford, if that happened.

"Elizabeth, I'm coming to join ya, honey"

[AFBlue]

Surprising for me would be AI...and not in a good way.

[timtonymanu]

Realistically I would say Tony Allen.

[angelbelow]

Jo!

[4>0rings]

Fat alberts going to come in after we sign the LLE and be like... yup that was the guy. :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If he's working him out he better be making him shoot 1000 three pointers a day from each corner.

[HarlemHeat37]

Or they could just not use it and bring The Centerpiece back..

[ElNono]

The only drawback with this plan is that some other team might decide RJ is a decent fallback or role player around whoever they sign, and might offer a contract that the Spurs don't want to match. RJ is looking basically at his last contract under fairly favorable CBA rules, so I'm sure he'll be looking at what's offered out there.

[Mel_13]

The only drawback with this plan is that some other team might decide RJ is a decent fallback or role player around whoever they sign, and might offer a contract that the Spurs don't want to match. RJ is looking basically at his last contract under fairly favorable CBA rules, so I'm sure he'll be looking at what's offered out there.

Then you try to work a S&T where all you get back is a trade exception equal to RJ's new first year salary. That TE can then be used to get a player from a team looking to shed salary.

[Thompson]

I don't think it can be Childress, I think the Hawks still own his NBA rights. Salmons would be nice, but I don't think there's any way he settles for the LLE. TMac would be... interesting.

Howard would be weird, unless he had a vendetta against the Mavs for trading him and wanted blood. Duncan and Pop originally wanted him anyway, and he's from Wake like Tim. If he would swear off the Mary Jane for the duration of his contract... so no, never going to happen.

[thispego]

Rofl jj reddick

[ElNono]

Then you try to work a S&T where all you get back is a trade exception equal to RJ's new first year salary. That TE can then be used to get a player from a team looking to shed salary.

Sure. That would be the ideal situation if RJ gets a big offer, but there's no guarantee that the other team would agree to that, right?

[Marcus Bryant]

I think the Spurs would rather have no Jefferson than Jefferson at $25 mil (or whatever it works out to including the lux tax), so the prospect of losing him isn't that great of a concern. I do think, yes, they wouldn't mind him back at $7mil per for 3 or 4 seasons.

If they are indeed able to add Splitter, then your top 4 bigs are TD, Splitter, McDyess, & Blair. Frankly, I'd rather see them find a way to round that out with a decent big. Of course, all they'd have would be the LLE. Maybe if Ian hadn't pissed in Pop's Bordeaux...

[SpursTillTheEnd]

eric b's source
http://i482.photobucket.com/albums/rr185/iamscuz/cremefilledgoodness.jpg
shit is never wrong

[Mel_13]

Sure. That would be the ideal situation if RJ gets a big offer, but there's no guarantee that the other team would agree to that, right?

No guarantee, but the Spurs could sweeten the deal by adding an asset or by taking back a small contract that the other team didn't want to keep.

[E-RockWill]

I have a source too. He's on the inside-- way inside-- and he's really smart and he told me something very important and surprising. I wish I could share it with y'all, but I can't.

:wow
:lmao

[Marcus Bryant]

TP & Manu healthy, Jefferson with a year under his belt, Hill a rotation mainstay, Hairston finally in the fold, and Anderson joining will give the Spurs enough on the perimeter. They've won more with less. What they need is to give Timmy help up front. Bonner has to be gone. Naturally when the league is moving to über-athletic bigs who can block shots and run the court Pop decides he hates the one he has on his bench.

[DPG21920]

I don't doubt Eric has a source. Like I said, what is wierd is saying you can't say who when that is exactly why you have a source. It is how good media people build a rep.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don't think it can be Childress, I think the Hawks still own his NBA rights. Salmons would be nice, but I don't think there's any way he settles for the LLE. TMac would be... interesting.



Correct on Childress. Hawks would have the right to match any offer to him. An LLE offer for him they'd probably take about half a second to match.

Not that I believe that TPark has the insight, but 'interesting' would be a guy like Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, Anthony Tolliver, or Travis Outlaw.

[DPG21920]

Sure. That would be the ideal situation if RJ gets a big offer, but there's no guarantee that the other team would agree to that, right?


I think the Spurs would rather have no Jefferson than Jefferson at $25 mil (or whatever it works out to including the lux tax), so the prospect of losing him isn't that great of a concern. I do think, yes, they wouldn't mind him back at $7mil per for 3 or 4 seasons.

If they are indeed able to add Splitter, then your top 4 bigs are TD, Splitter, McDyess, & Blair. Frankly, I'd rather see them find a way to round that out with a decent big. Of course, all they'd have would be the LLE. Maybe if Ian hadn't pissed in Pop's Bordeaux...

Any deal for less than 30m makes little financial sense for rj IMO.

[HarlemHeat37]

Correct on Childress. Hawks would have the right to match any offer to him. An LLE offer for him they'd probably take about half a second to match.

Not that I believe that TPark has the insight, but 'interesting' would be a guy like Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, Anthony Tolliver, or Travis Outlaw.

Mike Miller will get significantly more than the LLE..unless you meant "interesting" because they would be taking less money than they're worth..

[manufan10]

Add Ray Allen to the list of people I would be surprised to see come for the LLE. :D

[crc21209]

TP & Manu healthy, Jefferson with a year under his belt, Hill a rotation mainstay, Hairston finally in the fold, and Anderson joining will give the Spurs enough on the perimeter. They've won more with less. What they need is to give Timmy help up front. Bonner has to be gone. Naturally when the league is moving to über-athletic bigs who can block shots and run the court Pop decides he hates the one he has on his bench.

TD, Manu, TP, RJ, Splitter, Dice, Blair, Hill, Anderson, Hairston, FA wing or shooter, and FA shooting or athletic/shot-blocking big-man and we are good to go. :tu

[manufan10]

Mike Miller will get significantly more than the LLE..unless you meant "interesting" because they would be taking less money than they're worth..

I read that people are going to be throwing a little more than the MLE at Mike Miller. I'll see if I can find the link.

Edit: It was for the first year.

WojYahooNBA (https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)

Mike Miller is turning into hot property, league executives say. He can expect offers starting north of mid-level exception in 1st year.

[SenorSpur]

TP & Manu healthy, Jefferson with a year under his belt, Hill a rotation mainstay, Hairston finally in the fold, and Anderson joining will give the Spurs enough on the perimeter. They've won more with less. What they need is to give Timmy help up front. Bonner has to be gone. Naturally when the league is moving to über-athletic bigs who can block shots and run the court Pop decides he hates the one he has on his bench.

Pop has no choice. He's got to activate Mahinmi. If for no other reason than the fact that he's got no other options and little to no money. The athletic big man he needs, has been in their system for some time.

Of course, the first order of business is to get him resigned.

[texas_gator]

earl boykins

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs need a big who's athletic enough, can block a shot, board well, and not need his number called to score, and old enough so that the LLE is not a stretch for him (or not established in the league well enough to command anything more). I'd rather see them use the LLE on someone like that than spend it on a redundant perimeter player.

[Marcus Bryant]

Starters
4 Duncan
5 Splitter

Bench
4 Blair
4/5 McDyess

Something's missing and the answer is not a 6'10" tall redhead hanging around the 3 point line.

[mingus]

Defensively, Allen is a good option... but he's kinda similar to Hairston. no way the Spurs sign Salmons. he'll make more with another team. I can see the Spurs throwing something at Howard, but just over a year ago he was nearly 20 ppg, so he's going to get offered a nice contract somewhere. I think with the Spurs in a position where this is probably their last year in contention, his off the court troubles won't really have that great of an effect.

[texas_gator]

Spurs need a big who's athletic enough, can block a shot, board well, and not need his number called to score, and old enough so that the LLE is not a stretch for him (or not established in the league well enough to command anything more). I'd rather see them use the LLE on someone like that than spend it on a redundant perimeter player.

i wonder what dikembe mutumbo is up to now-a-days....

:flag:

[spursballer21]

eric
Tell us if they're resigning Ian at least.

[scottspurs]

Ronnie Brewer is now a UFA

[anakha]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3117769&highlight=practiced#post3117769

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131465

Considering how accurate TPark's sources have been in the past, I have full confidence that this is 100% true.

[E-RockWill]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3117769&highlight=practiced#post3117769

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131465

Considering how accurate TPark's sources have been in the past, I have full confidence that this is 100% true.


lol @ blue.....great shit.....

[Danny.Zhu]

Passes the common sense test. 3yrs/24M would be great, wouldn't be surprised if its more.


If that's the case, it meant that RJ didn't think he can earn 9m in 2011 and 2012. Do you think that's possible?

I say 36m for 4 years.

[manufan10]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3117769&highlight=practiced#post3117769

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131465

Considering how accurate TPark's sources have been in the past, I have full confidence that this is 100% true.


:lol

[taps]

(regarding mahinmi) Of course, the first order of business is to get him resigned.

Ian said he would talk to pop on july 1st in a french media interview i believe, so he is on the clock officially. Should be < 24 hours til they start ironing it out

[Blackjack]

Corey Brewer is now a UFA

Corey or Ronnie?

[scottspurs]

Corey or Ronnie?

I saw on ESPN that one of the Brewers is now a UFA. I'm not sure which one, but I'll go look it up.

[EricB]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3117769&highlight=practiced#post3117769

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131465

Considering how accurate TPark's sources have been in the past, I have full confidence that this is 100% true.


Awesome.

So what do your sources say?

Oh you don't have any, your just a prick who likes to act tough and try and be all "look look look he got told band info so obviously hes LYING AHAHAHAHAHAAH I WIN I WIN ITS THE INTERNET THEREFORE I AM KING!"


Congrats.

[anakha]

Awesome.

So what do your sources say?

Oh you don't have any, your just a prick who likes to act tough and try and be all "look look look he got told band info so obviously hes LYING AHAHAHAHAHAAH I WIN I WIN ITS THE INTERNET THEREFORE I AM KING!"


Congrats.

:lol at Tpark being all defensive all over again.

[EricB]

I stand by the lamar Odom signing with Miami, He had given a verbal commitment to Miami and LA had gone on, at the last minute both sides recanted LA giving into his contract demands and Odom changing his mind.

I stand by it, sorry.

[scottspurs]

Corey or Ronnie?

It was Ronnie.

[EricB]

:lol at Tpark being all defensive all over again.

:lol @ you being internet know it all.

Again, whats your point? The Manu info was not 100% off, and Odom changed his mind.

But hey, if you like to play internet know it all again, thats fine. I stand by the Odom and Manu info.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

eric b is a damn lie, but on a serious not i did say we would stop durnant's scoring streak and iw as right

[SpursTillTheEnd]

im hungry

[mingus]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3117769&highlight=practiced#post3117769

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131465

Considering how accurate TPark's sources have been in the past, I have full confidence that this is 100% true.

lmao. Guess I was right.

[anakha]

:lol @ you being internet know it all.

Again, whats your point? The Manu info was not 100% off, and Odom changed his mind.

But hey, if you like to play internet know it all again, thats fine. I stand by the Odom and Manu info.

Still didn't make what you originally reported any less incorrect. Which is why your credibility when it comes to inside info is lacking.

[mingus]

I don't need sources. I can guess right 1/3 times.

[EricB]

Still didn't make what you originally reported any less incorrect. Which is why your credibility when it comes to inside info is lacking.


Oh my, you dont think I'm credible, oh what will I ever do?!?!?!


So are you the internet cop now? just curious, do I have to clear everything I hear from now on with you?

Thanks for the heads up.

[anakha]

Oh my, you dont think I'm credible, oh what will I ever do?!?!?!


So are you the internet cop now? just curious, do I have to clear everything I hear from now on with you?

Thanks for the heads up.

TPark getting all butthurt when called out? Shocker! :lol

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

:lol @ you being internet know it all.

Again, whats your point? The Manu info was not 100% off, and Odom changed his mind.

But hey, if you like to play internet know it all again, thats fine. I stand by the Odom and Manu info.

You do understand why people are a little weary of info from your "sources" right? Or are you just being stubborn?

[polandprzem]

Tpark the insider

[Zero_Twilight]

If true, I am relieved.

That was some major backlash RJ took from the internet, in such a short while. LOL

I like RJ, and hope that he now has an idea what it's going to take to win as a Spur. Defense Defense and no mercy from the 3 blind mice. The ball into the hoop helps too, but some things just can't be controled.....or can they?:p: You know.

[EricB]

TPark getting all butthurt when called out? Shocker! :lol

You called me out?

Ok. Good for you. Not butthurt at all, just curious of your point?

That you don't find me credible? again, so what?

[EricB]

You do understand why people are a little weary of info from your "sources" right? Or are you just being stubborn?


If your gonna be leary of my sources best be leary of about 90% of the sports writers and other sources. It was widely known that Odom was gone.

Again though, whatever floats your guy's boats.

[EricB]

Tpark the insider


HEY!!!!

So just curious, when were you gonna produce the evidence that the USA basketball olympic team was on steroids in 2008?


Still waitin for that btw! Thanks!

[MB3//]

Ok I think I've narrowed it down to 2.
David Robinson
Bruce Bowen.
What's my prize?

[anakha]

Not butthurt at all

Calling me a prick and an 'internet know it all' isn't acting all butthurt? Sure, Tpark, whatever you say. :lol


That you don't find me credible? again, so what?

You'd actually have a point if all I were stating was my opinion on your sources. But the fact of the matter is still that your 'sources' have crapped out before (if they ever existed in the first place), and people should take any insider info you post with a healthy dose of skepticism until there's actual proof that what you're reporting is true.

[Kori Ellis]

I hope Pop has been working with him about spacing. It's easily correctable, but so so destructive when it's wrong. I don't mind RJ for a cheaper price tag, and if he still sucks, they can move him. Hopefully he takes the Spurs system a little more seriously this upcoming season.

[polandprzem]

HEY!!!!

So just curious, when were you gonna produce the evidence that the USA basketball olympic team was on steroids in 2008?


Still waitin for that btw! Thanks!

:lol

incredible

For how many things you have to wait? I'm sorry for you. Simply your lack of knowledge and misinterpretation of the posts kills you.

[EricB]

:lol

incredible

For how many things you have to wait? I'm sorry for you. Simply your lack of knowledge and misinterpretation of the posts kills you.



So your sayin you don't have that info.....

[EricB]

Calling me a prick and an 'internet know it all' isn't acting all butthurt? Sure, Tpark, whatever you say. :lol



You'd actually have a point if all I were stating was my opinion on your sources. But the fact of the matter is still that your 'sources' have crapped out before (if they ever existed in the first place), and people should take any insider info you post with a healthy dose of skepticism until there's actual proof that what you're reporting is true.


They didn't crap out. The players did. Period.

That doesn't make what I said wrong, things changed after what I was told it happens, but again, I don't understand why you feel the need to act all forum superhero...

[Bruno]

I rather let RJ go than re-signing him to a big contract. Letting RJ go will hurt Spurs next year, signing him to a 4 or 5 years contract with a salary above $8M per year will hurt Spurs for a long time. S&T is the best outcome for Spurs.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

They didn't crap out. The players did. Period.

That doesn't make what I said wrong, things changed after what I was told it happens, but again, I don't understand why you feel the need to act all forum superhero...

:lol "Just because what I said was going to happen didn't, doesn't make me wrong!"

[EricB]

:lol "Just because what I said was going to happen didn't, doesn't make me wrong!"


He gave a verbal commitment to Miami. He backed out on it. Was I supposed to predict that ?

[polandprzem]

So your sayin you don't have that info.....

I'm sayin that I already said all what was to say

Hey

:lol

[EricB]

I rather let RJ go than re-signing him to a big contract. Letting RJ go will hurt Spurs next year, signing him to a 4 or 5 years contract with a salary above $8M per year will hurt Spurs for a long time. S&T is the best outcome for Spurs.


Letting RJ go would kill the SPurs this year.

The SF depth is RJ and thats about it.

a 3 or 4 year deal at about 8 million a year will not hurt the Spurs for a long time...

[polandprzem]

He gave a verbal commitment to Miami. He backed out on it. Was I supposed to predict that ?

So you didn't had that info?

[EricB]

I'm sayin that I already said all what was to say

Hey

:lol


So your saying you made it up, and there was no evidence the 2008 US olympic team was doping.

Got it, thanks.

[baseline bum]

This fucking sucks. Jefferson's a talented player and all, but it's crystal clear he doesn't work on this team, and the Spurs needed to cut their losses. The Spurs not being able to flip this guy into someone who can stay in front of his man and maybe hit an open jumper is devastating news. James Anderson better really be something special. :pctoss

[EricB]

So you didn't had that info?

Uh alot of people didn't have that info.

Ask Pat Riley about Lamar Odom...

Again hot shot, waiting for that evidence of the US team's positive steroid tests.

[Bruno]

Letting RJ go would kill the SPurs this year.

The SF depth is RJ and thats about it.

a 3 or 4 year deal at about 8 million a year will not hurt the Spurs for a long time...

Well, it will hurt Spurs for 3 or 4 years. That's a long time to me.

[EricB]

This fucking sucks. Jefferson's a talented player and all, but it's crystal clear he doesn't work on this team, and the Spurs needed to cut their losses. The Spurs not being able to flip this guy into someone who can stay in front of his man and maybe hit an open jumper is devastating news. James Anderson better really be something special. :pctoss

Theres no one available for trade of what you speak of.

[polandprzem]

Uh alot of people didn't have that info.

Ask Pat Riley about Lamar Odom...

Again hot shot, waiting for that evidence of the US team's positive steroid tests.

What tests?

[EricB]

Well, it will hurt Spurs for 3 or 4 years. That's a long time to me.

Uh its balls out or nothing.

Who gives a crap in 2 or 3 years, itll be lottery time.

[polandprzem]

So your saying you made it up, and there was no evidence the 2008 US olympic team was doping.

Got it, thanks.

No you sain it.

So you got your own answer.

Probably you are satisfied with that. Let it be that way :)

[EricB]

What tests?


You stated the US basketball team was doing steroids and there was lots of evidence of it, I'm still waiting for that evidence.

[polandprzem]

You stated the US basketball team was doing steroids and there was lots of evidence of it, I'm still waiting for that evidence.

So you didn't answer it yourself yet?

I was not talking about tests back then Tpark boy

Not as evidence


Times go by and Tpark still as pathetic as he was. Go figure. :rolleyes

[baseline bum]

Theres no one available for trade of what you speak of.

The Spurs would have had plenty of time for teams to start getting desperate to slash salary. Worst case scenario is you're stuck with Dick atthe trade deadline. Nice to see the franchise said to hell with it, we'll just jump to the worst case.

[Bruno]

Uh its balls out or nothing.

Who gives a crap in 2 or 3 years, itll be lottery time.

So Spurs will be a legit title contender next year because of RJ? :lol

Signing RJ to a big long term contract won't really help Spurs in the short term and will hurt them in the long term when they won't be able to quickly rebuild the team because or his contract.

[EricB]

So Spurs will be a legit title contender next year because of RJ? :lol

Signing RJ to a big long term contract won't really help Spurs in the short term and will hurt them in the long term when they won't be able to quickly rebuild the team because or his contract.


RJ >>> letting him go and relying on D Leaguers yes.

Let RJ get a clear head this summer, let Pop keep working with him, and we shall see what happens..

He seems to have become a Pop favorite.

[baseline bum]

First Jefferson back, now Bonner... I just can't wait for Pop to bring Finley back next.

[objective]

First Jefferson back, now Bonner... I just can't wait for Pop to bring Finley back next.

No doubt Mason should come back too.

[timvp]

I like RJ on a three-year contract rather than four years. With a three-year deal, at least it'll end when Manu's contract ends. Theoretically, that could open up another window to bring in talent.

But I agree with Bruno that a good sign-and-trade is the best option. RJ for a trade exception would be fantastic. RJ for a better fitting SF would obviously be a plus.

I'm hoping the Spurs haven't promised RJ anything. If he walks, he walks. It won't be a great outcome but the poor fit on the Spurs makes him an average NBA player at best.

If I'm the Spurs, my gameplan with RJ would be to:

1) See if any team with cap space gets desperate and wants RJ in a sign-and-trade.
2) See if any team is willing to trade RJ for a SF that can shoot and/or defend.
3) See if there are any better-fitting SFs out there that are willing to sign for the LLE.
4) See if RJ will take a three-year deal.
5) Double check to see if there isn't a comparable SF willing to sign for the available money.
6) Wait for the summer league to make sure Hairston, Gee and Anderson aren't ready for big minutes in the NBA.
7) Begrudgingly offer RJ a four-year contract with the stipulation that he shoots 1,000 three-pointers a day and loses 20 pounds.

[kamikazi_player]

Why do you wish this team to fail so much.

+100000000
Lol at people wanting this guy. He had a bad year last year, and he's getting older, the Spurs need to get young, not sign bad 30 year old player contracts to multiyear deals.

[SpursTillTheEnd]

when is duncan retiring, and rj back on this team wold be stupid

[baseline bum]

I like RJ on a three-year contract rather than four years. With a three-year deal, at least it'll end when Manu's contract ends. Theoretically, that could open up another window to bring in talent.

But I agree with Bruno that a good sign-and-trade is the best option. RJ for a trade exception would be fantastic. RJ for a better fitting SF would obviously be a plus.

I'm hoping the Spurs haven't promised RJ anything. If he walks, he walks. It won't be a great outcome but the poor fit on the Spurs makes him an average NBA player at best.

If I'm the Spurs, my gameplan with RJ would be to:

1) See if any team with cap space gets desperate and wants RJ in a sign-and-trade.
2) See if any team is willing to trade RJ for a SF that can shoot and/or defend.
3) See if there are any better-fitting SFs out there that are willing to sign for the LLE.
4) See if RJ will take a three-year deal.
5) Double check to see if there isn't a comparable SF willing to sign for the available money.
6) Wait for the summer league to make sure Hairston, Gee and Anderson aren't ready for big minutes in the NBA.
7) Begrudgingly offer RJ a four-year contract with the stipulation that he shoots 1,000 three-pointers a day and loses 20 pounds.

I'm in shock that Popovich would ensure (1)-(3) are this team's only good options.:bang

[jiggy_55]

Yeah like I said I wasn't given numbers, purely my guess, and was told the contract was quote "nicer" :lol

"Nicer" for the Spurs or for RJ??? BIG difference

[jiggy_55]

Under the luxury tax, which makes giving the FULL MLE to Splitter more palatable to Holt, and able to build depth with the LLE.

Can't reveal who they have in mind for the LLE but I was surprised when I heard it.

At least give a hint! Initials or a letter lol

I'm guessing the "surprise" is that its not a swingman/SF??? You can at least say if i'm right on that, it doesn't really narrow it down much!

[Ignignokt]

WHy did i and Timvp come up with the same conclusion?

This isn't right.

[baseline bum]

MF probably.

[picnroll]

I wonder if.committing a lot of money to Jefferson seals the deal that Parker won't be a Spur in '11-'12.

[Bruno]

Even if teams with cap space didn't go with RJ, Spurs will have a hard time to lock him to a good contract. A full MLE contract is $35M/5 years and I can see some teams throwing that money to him.

It could take at least a $32M/ 4 years contract to keep him and I think it's too much money for a 30 years old RJ.

[Bruno]

A way to fix the hole created at SF could be to use Spurs non-guaranteed contracts.

Jerrells+Temple+Hairston+Gee is basically a $4M trade exception. With RJ opting out, Spurs will be far from the luxury threshold and could use these players to get a SF.

[Baseline]

On the Spurs, RJ isn't worth even MLE money. On other teams, he would be. But not on our team. If last year proved anything, it proved that.

So if we really sign him, we'll absolutely be overpaying him. If we sign him for more than 7M a year, I'll never understand it.

[ploto]

The guy sucked so let's lock him in for the long-term!

Reducing his salary from $15M to $8M this season does nothing to create room or money to sign anyone this off-season. It does, however, take anyway the only good thing about RJ heading into this off-season-- his EXPIRING contract.

[jiggy_55]

Please someone explain something to me, as I'm not aware of all the exact details.

RJ opts out = Spurs are screwed and we cannot sign a replacement since the drop off in salaries is not significant enough to give us more than the MLE. Here's the question: BUT, the Spurs can re-sign him? How is that possible? I just don't get it..
Everyone's been saying forever if he opts out it sucks cuz we won't have any added money to replace him with, but just how is it then possible to resign him or sign and trade him??? Please someone explain this to me.

As far I had understood, we're still left with the MLE whether he had opted out or not.

[polandprzem]

The question the money

Spurs as always will try to produce as many options they are able to. But it's nbever was working greatly or it was but spurs are in bad spot from get go because of the market.

We do not have to trade RJ now. There is trading window in the season and I think it is always better to see how things will go and what kind of player in RJ next season we will have and who is available.

I do not like speculations now - when we do not know nothing

[ploto]

I rather let RJ go than re-signing him to a big contract. Letting RJ go will hurt Spurs next year, signing him to a 4 or 5 years contract with a salary above $8M per year will hurt Spurs for a long time.

Scary day- Me agreeing with Bruno.

Why would the Spurs "extend" the time of his contract into the time that they need money to retain Parker? The best options were to use it to trade for someone or to let it expire to loosen the purse strings next summer.

[spectator]

if u r the spurs, do you do one of these deals:

1. hill + rj (new contract) + picks (if needed for balance) for bosh

2. splitter's rights + rj(new contract) + picks (if needed for balance) for bosh

i think if we had offered hill + splitter's rights + rj for bosh would be too much, but i would do ANY of the prev. 2 options. especially the one that includes splitter.

it won't happen, but wth - it's free agency time; pipe dreams on me!!!

[Interrohater]

It makes perfect sense.

There's no way RJ opts out unless he has another deal in place.

And the only team he could legally talk to about any such deal before July 1 is . . . the Spurs.

interesting point... I'd be happy with that, if he really did some soul-searching and decided that would be his best option. I'm definitely not a RJ hater, I think (and hope) he should be heads and shoulders above where he was last year.

[stéphane]

V-Span for the LLE :lol

[Hooks]

Please someone explain something to me, as I'm not aware of all the exact details.

RJ opts out = Spurs are screwed and we cannot sign a replacement since the drop off in salaries is not significant enough to give us more than the MLE. Here's the question: BUT, the Spurs can re-sign him? How is that possible? I just don't get it..
Everyone's been saying forever if he opts out it sucks cuz we won't have any added money to replace him with, but just how is it then possible to resign him or sign and trade him??? Please someone explain this to me.

As far I had understood, we're still left with the MLE whether he had opted out or not.

This.

[jiggy_55]

This.

Question has been answered on the other RJ thread.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4463032#post4463032

[Chieflion]

Okay, people, how many people are actually repeating my 4 years, 32 million dollar contract thing?

[milkyway21]

good..i like rj....

me too.

[jermaine]

So did EricB say who it was or he still on some hoeshit! I'm not understanding if he can't tell us who we signing, why in the fuck did he post any fucking thang!?! Quit being a bitchass lil kids an spill the dam beans! We don't give a fuck who your source is, just tell her who we signing!

[jiggy_55]

So did EricB say who it was or he still on some hoeshit! I'm not understanding if he can't tell us who we signing, why in the fuck did he post any fucking thang!?! Quit being a bitchass lil kids an spill the dam beans! We don't give a fuck who your source is, just tell her who we signing!

Seriously..

EricB, send someone on this thread who has asked you about this a private message with the name lol.. That person will post it without mentioning you!

[jermaine]

If its McGrady people are going to say we won't get out the 1st rd. If its AI then people are going to say he's to short an will shoot to much. If its Shaq he's going to be to slow to most of you. I pray its R. Brewer or Big Z! Its more than likely Bruce coming back!

[Mel_13]

I like RJ on a three-year contract rather than four years. With a three-year deal, at least it'll end when Manu's contract ends. Theoretically, that could open up another window to bring in talent.

But I agree with Bruno that a good sign-and-trade is the best option. RJ for a trade exception would be fantastic. RJ for a better fitting SF would obviously be a plus.

I'm hoping the Spurs haven't promised RJ anything. If he walks, he walks. It won't be a great outcome but the poor fit on the Spurs makes him an average NBA player at best.

If I'm the Spurs, my gameplan with RJ would be to:

1) See if any team with cap space gets desperate and wants RJ in a sign-and-trade.
2) See if any team is willing to trade RJ for a SF that can shoot and/or defend.
3) See if there are any better-fitting SFs out there that are willing to sign for the LLE.
4) See if RJ will take a three-year deal.
5) Double check to see if there isn't a comparable SF willing to sign for the available money.
6) Wait for the summer league to make sure Hairston, Gee and Anderson aren't ready for big minutes in the NBA.
7) Begrudgingly offer RJ a four-year contract with the stipulation that he shoots 1,000 three-pointers a day and loses 20 pounds.

Seems like there's a Bonzi Wells type story every year, but I'm having a hard time accepting the notion that RJ opted without some assurance that he could recoup his losses through a long-term deal.

If RJ received such an assurance from the Spurs, you have to skip straight to #3 and then go to #7. If his opt out was indeed a surprise to the Spurs, then start and #1 and work that plan.

[Spurs Brazil]

First I'd like to see the Spurs take a look if they can get some cheap SFs ay FA, if it doesn't work I hope they don't offer RJ more than a 3 year contract. And no more than $ 20 million for that span

[buttsR4rebounding]

if rj comes back i will not watch a spurs game until after the trade deadline real muthafucking talk i been a spurs fan since berth no bandwagon shit if he signs back to us i will stop being a fan until he is gone

Good!! The sooner we sign him the sooner we can stop reading your BS takes.

[K-State Spur]

Once he opted out - making trading his expiring an impossibility - bringing him back at a lower rate is probably the best case scenario.

Any formula in which the Spurs win the title next year includes RJ returning to form and fitting in seamlessly. Unlikely? Absolutely. But more likely than a bunch of D-Leaguers and minimum vets manning the position at a championship level.

[TheChillFactor]

this is the worst case scenario IMO. if he stayed in we would have had a nice trade chip. after last year i'm not interested in this clown fucking up my team for ANY price. either leave or keep the $15m trade chip.

god i hate this fucker.

[anakha]

He gave a verbal commitment to Miami. He backed out on it. Was I supposed to predict that ?

Which was still not what you initially reported. Which still means your 'source' crapped out.

Awfully convenient that all this 'after the fact' stuff you're saying is coming out now, though. Especially since I haven't seen any reports that there was a verbal agreement between Odom and Miami.

Give some proof that there was a verbal agreement, and I'll happily concede that point to you.

[mystargtr34]

First I'd like to see the Spurs take a look if they can get some cheap SFs ay FA, if it doesn't work I hope they don't offer RJ more than a 3 year contract. And no more than $ 20 million for that span

I hope your right, but i dont see the sense in him leaving $15M on the table for this season, to gain $5M over two extra years. The way he probably sees it, he would probably be looking at a deal starting at the MLE as a worst case if he were to wait until his current contract expires, which would give him around $26M over the next three years ($15M + $5.5M + $5.5M).

With that in mind, if he does re-sign, my guess would be at least $26M over three years - which is ok, but i agree with you in looking at the available FA wings for the LLE, and also look for S&T options for RJ.

Not sure i want him around for 3 more years at $9-10M Per.

[bigfan]

If we can get him at around 25 million for 3 years Id support it (not that the front office gives a crap whether or not I support it or not). If he walks, so be it.

[K-State Spur]

I rather let RJ go than re-signing him to a big contract. Letting RJ go will hurt Spurs next year, signing him to a 4 or 5 years contract with a salary above $8M per year will hurt Spurs for a long time. S&T is the best outcome for Spurs.

Any way you look at it, the Window is closing. It really doesn't matter if he's taking up a disproportionate portion of the cap when the majority of the roster will consist of rebuilding materials.

[Creation88]

people are still chasing EricB's BS source!? lol. give it up.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this is what i dont get with RJ

he left 15m on the table, why not play out the season, then test FA im sure he can still get mle for 2-4yrs? or is guaranteed contract all that important?

[Creation88]

Drew Gooden just signed for 5 yrs 32 million. i hope this prices Jefferson out of Spurs black and silver. hoping to God.

[lotr1trekkie]

Reading between the lines of the Monroe piece I got the feeling that this opt out is orchestrated. Jefferson, an intelligent man, did not want to play next season under a cloud. I get the feeling he likes security and stability. He hated his trade to the Bucks.
Spurs fans would have always hated him at 15m and rightfully so. At half that price he will fit in nicely. Probably can't get anyone better than RJ in the FA market. But not at 15m. This might work out. RJ wasn't a coaching problem but just a bad fit for Spurs BB.