Study on how TP is loved / hated in France & in the US [Archive]

TonyParkerBlog.com

05-15-2005, 12:47 PM

Hi there !

I'm the webmaster of TonyParkerBlog.com (http://www.tonyparkerblog.com) , unofficial french TP's blog. I've been very surprised of one thing : on french basketball forums, lots of basketball fans can't stand TP. For several reasons, but that's not the subject here.

I'd like to make a study on the way / the reasons why TP is loved or hated and the differences between France and the US. I think it can be interesting...

So I posted topics on several french basketball forums and spursreport.com forums is one of the US forums I've selected.

Please tell me if you love, hate, do not have opinion on Tony and why.
I'm not only speaking about his game or his personnality, but about the whole Tony

(please scuse me for my poor english, I really suck : )

Thanks for your help.

ps : I have another question... do you know a huge general basketball forum. This one is about Spurs and should be full of Spurs fans... I'm looking for an US general basketball forums with lots of basketball fans, not only Spurs fans. If you have suggestions, please send me a PM ;)

picnroll

05-15-2005, 12:52 PM

Ask Eva about the love and IceColdBrewski about the hate.

TonyParkerBlog.com

05-15-2005, 12:53 PM

There's no article about that subject. That's the reasons why I'm making a study ;)

It seems they think he's pretentious, selfish... especially after the defeat of national French team in European Championship 2 years ago. Some players didn't seem to be 100% in the game, and Tony criticized them in the media after the game.

There are lots of reasons, but that's not the subject here. I'd just like to have your opinion, coming from the US ;)

Lady M

05-15-2005, 12:55 PM

translate an article on why they hate him
it isn't articles, journalists love TP but in the french forums we can see TP haters (jalousy)

TonyParkerBlog.com

05-15-2005, 01:16 PM

it isn't articles, journalists love TP but in the french forums we can see TP haters (jalousy)
It may be also because journalists love TP too much that some french basketball fans hate TP ;)

Kori Ellis

05-15-2005, 01:22 PM

I have another question... do you know a huge general basketball forum. This one is about Spurs and should be full of Spurs fans... I'm looking for an US general basketball forums with lots of basketball fans, not only Spurs fans. If you have suggestions, please send me a PM

insidehoops.com

basketballboards.net

TonyParkerBlog.com

05-15-2005, 01:59 PM

thx ;)

Aggie Hoopsfan

05-15-2005, 01:59 PM

Don't take this the wrong way but...

I would think a Tony Parker site would be more concerned with the positive aspects of fan support towards Tony.

I'm not really seeing where you're going with this whole love/hate thing unless it's some bent to make Americans more cynical than the French.

Can't you just celebrate his good performances and leave it at that?

cqsallie

05-15-2005, 02:13 PM

It may be also because journalists love TP too much that some french basketball fans hate TP ;)
C'est vrai! Une vue saine. (That's right. A sound viewpoint)
The same thing (la meme chose) can be seen here among fans of a particular team. The more attention a player from an opposing team receives, the more he is despised by the fans of other teams. We may intellectually accept the dominance of Shaq, but our gut instinct is to hate him - even though he is a graduate of a San Antonio high school. Even though we may accept the fact that he is a "native son," the fact that he doesn't play for the SA Spurs damns him in the eyes of Spurs fans.
So, although we San Antonians love TP (I, for one, absolutely adore everything about his game), it's only natural that many French citizens see him as no longer the hometown idol. If he were still playing in France, he'd be idolized, n'est pas?
Ici, en les Etats Unis - San Antonio - le sentiment: "En voila un qui fera son chemin!" (Here, in the United States - San Antonio - the sentiment is: "That kid will go far!"
By the way, doesn't Tony turn 23 today? Or is the 18th?
Merci pour le question! Bon chance! :elephant

Kori Ellis

05-15-2005, 02:15 PM

By the way, doesn't Tony turn 23 today? Or is the 18th?

17th.

cqsallie

05-15-2005, 02:20 PM

17th.
Thanks, Kori!
Makes me look like a real Tony Parker fan, eh? Well, I was in the right church - only the pew was wrong. LOL! :rolleyes

stéphane

05-15-2005, 03:37 PM

Well imo, Tony deserves more respect for his game in SA and more respect for what he's doing in the NBA. People from SA enjoys his way of playing, follow his performances week after week. Lots of people from France doesn't know anything about bball and just stick with Tony cause is playing "good" in the NBA and because he's fashionable. A good "product" to sell in France. In Texas you see the player, in France we have, mostly, to deal with his "product" image.
So, as a player, people from US are more objective and like/hate him for his play on the court more than for his last gf or if he does look sexy...

Vashner

05-15-2005, 03:48 PM

I would not be suprised if the people that don't like Tony are also some of the Bush bashers...

GrandeDavid

05-15-2005, 03:50 PM

I really know very little, if anything, about Tony Parker's personality, so I really cannot make a valid judgment of him. His image is fine enough to me. I did hear that he was "bashful" if not rude at Malik's restaurant grand opening in San Antonio by beelining to the back of the restaurant to avoid contact with fans, presumably. Meanwhile, Malik, David Robinson and other players had big smiles on their faces and mingled with the fans.

As long as Tony Parker continues to improve I have no problem with him. I would certainly say that Parker appears much less fan-friendly than, say, Manu Ginobili. But Manu is rare.

stéphane

05-15-2005, 03:54 PM

Manu's personality looks better to me too... I mean he seems more fan-friendly at least...
Tony's personality may be much more enjoyable in the locker room.
But Manu's a little bit older so may had something to do too...

ducks

05-15-2005, 03:55 PM

tp may not be as comfortable talking in english and fans in the past might have made fun of his trouble speaking in english

I do not know I do not know tp

Vashner

05-15-2005, 03:56 PM

If a person let's public opinion shape what and how they do... they are not very much of a special person. Tony is a good guy that enjoy's life. Hopefully he an anyone else won't care much what negative people say about him.

ducks

05-15-2005, 03:57 PM

manu may be more outgoing and tp may be more quiet tell he knows you
but either of those traits do not make you better then the other person

stéphane

05-15-2005, 03:59 PM

tp may not be as comfortable talking in english and fans in the past might have made fun of his trouble speaking in english

I do not know I do not know tp
Tony "You know" Parker.
He does that 1 time a sentence.
Even me i dont use this that often, you know?

GrandeDavid

05-15-2005, 04:02 PM

Vashner, that's cool that you evidently know Tony Parker so well. How long have you guys been buddies?

timvp

05-15-2005, 04:37 PM

Tony Parker is a ballhog.

Sincerely,

Argentina

ALVAREZ6

05-15-2005, 04:56 PM

I like Parker a lot, he's a great PG for the Spurs.

tp may not be as comfortable talking in english and fans in the past might have made fun of his trouble speaking in english

Who cares? Manu has an accent as well, and neither of them grew up in the US. I don't think anyone dislikes them for their pronuciation and english speaking skills, I mean, they are professional basketball players. Being a pro athlete doesn't require talking at all.

I don't really know where people are getting this hate for TP, after all, he isn't the one being attacked by every opponent on purpose (k-mart,melo,jerome james,george karl, etc.).

(please scuse me for my poor english, I really suck : )
Your english is great!

ducks

05-15-2005, 05:07 PM

Tony Parker is a ballhog.

Sincerely,

Argentina

for the record tp passed to manu for an assist last game

ShoogarBear

05-15-2005, 05:10 PM

Tony Parker is a ballhog.

Sincerely,

Argentina
:lol

Tek_XX

05-15-2005, 05:12 PM

There will always be haters

end of study

ducks

05-15-2005, 05:32 PM

spur fans are spoiled they think all spur players have to be like david robinson
some players just might not like the spotlight
duncan does not
that is one MAIN REASON HE STILL IS IN SA

Man Sauce

05-15-2005, 06:40 PM

I go to Best Buy quite a bit and they say Tony is very conceited. Thats what they tell me at least.

CHAMPS AGAIN

05-15-2005, 08:30 PM

unnosy

05-16-2005, 02:53 AM

forget the love/hate thing.
can someone translate to tony parker in french that he better give us a birthday gift and come out strong enough to win tomorrow.
or else...
we just might trade eva to miami heat.

stéphane

05-16-2005, 05:59 AM

Whatever you loser that's why your are unofficial TP blog
you gotta learn respect.

GrandeDavid

05-16-2005, 06:21 AM

I'm definitely gonna loathe Tony Parker on and off the court if he doesn't return to the playoffs in Game 5 Tuesday night against the Sonics.

TonyParkerBlog.com

05-23-2005, 04:14 AM

Hey guys

thanks for your answers.
I'll write my article until the end of the week. If you have thoughts to share and things to say, that's the moment !

ducks

05-23-2005, 12:20 PM

cool

angel_luv

05-23-2005, 05:47 PM

Tony is a disappointment only in that he seems to be content to be a sports' icon when what I really want is for him to be part of the family.

1Parker1

05-23-2005, 05:53 PM

Tony is a disappointment only in that he seems to be content to be a sports' icon when what I really want is for him to be part of the family.

Part of the family??? What do you mean?

PS. HI ANGEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE MISS YOU IN CHAT ! :)

PPS. And if that last comment was supposed to be an insult to Tony...don't even get me started on Rasho, girl! :smokin

tlongII

05-23-2005, 06:00 PM

Tony Parker has excellent taste in women. His biggest problem is that he's french.

2centsworth

05-23-2005, 06:08 PM

Tony-

ON a personal level, most fans like Tony very much. He's a young guy, well spoken, and confident. He's even a pretty funny guy. Sometimes he can be a little too hip hop for people, but overall his personality meshes well with people in San Antonio.

On a professional level, it's Tony's extreme inconsistency that drives people crazy. When I say extreme I mean he can score 30 pts and be totally unstoppable in one game, and the very next game score 2 pts with 5 TOs. However, this year Tony has been way more consistent and when he has struggled in the playoffs, he has figured out a way to be productive for his team.

Overall, Tony is very good point guard with the chance of being great very soon.

mookie2001

05-23-2005, 06:13 PM

Sometimes he can be a little too hip hop for people

parker is "hiphop"?

shouldnt have called it the tonyparker "blog" how about something original like the tony parker "complacent" or the tony parker "agressive" tony parker "confidence", tony parker "humble" or something that you only hear 100 times a day

spot2180

05-23-2005, 06:18 PM

How many NBA players aren't conceited? For that matter, how many professional athletes aren't conceited? This doesn't matter to me. What matters is that he works hard on both offense and defense, and he is coachable. He isn't a chest thumper and a hot dog, and he doesn't get into trouble off the court. His demeanor on the floor is great. In my opinion, he doesn't get enough press, but that may be because he can be a little inconsistent at times. Tony Parker is one of the best PGs right now, and I think when all is said and done, he may end up being one of the best statistically. After this year's playoffs, Tony Parker may be 23 and have two championship rings. How many players that have played in the NBA can say that?

Brodels

05-23-2005, 06:32 PM

Focus. Consistency. Perimeter shooting. The lack of those things is what drives many fans nuts.

His potential is huge. If he ever successfully conquers those three areas, he'll be great.

angel_luv

05-23-2005, 06:36 PM

Parker!!!!!!!!!!! I miss you guys too! Anyone going in tonight for the Piston/Heat game?
I am house sitting and have internet! Wohoo!

I like Tony all right. He just doesn't strike me as very open. I am okay with whoever anyone is, so long as they are genunine.

angel_luv

05-23-2005, 06:37 PM

I'm sorry Parker. Tony has skills but I see him and my gut feeling is poser.

1Parker1

05-23-2005, 07:52 PM

"I like Tony all right. He just doesn't strike me as very open."

Yes, because everyone knows Rasho is quite the funny, open guy in the lockerroom :)

nkdlunch

05-23-2005, 08:11 PM

There will always be haters

end of study

Excellent conclusion. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one.

Tony seems like an ok guy to me. I think quiet and reserved guys are often confused as conceited. I can see his teammates love him so this must mean he's a good guy. There will always be haters in every sport, in every country.

No offense, but your "study" seems like a waste of time, you won't find any "special reason" why Tony is hated/loved. Its the same thing for all athletes all over the world. Your "study" could be interesting if you generalize it for all athletes.