Shaq to the spurs??

[spursfaninla]

I agree except for (2) being not likely. 2 years, $5 million/year, team option on 2nd year more like it.

you realize we are over the salary cap, so we could only sign him for 1) vet min, 2)lle, 3) leftover from mle. Right?

So, 5/per is impossible.

[yavozerb]

Another Shaq thread

Seriously, another stupid thread...Way to keep your streak alive!!

[ceperez]

you realize we are over the salary cap, so we could only sign him for 1) vet min, 2)lle, 3) leftover from mle. Right?

So, 5/per is impossible.

will sign and trade get us over the cap?

[Obstructed_View]

will sign and trade get us over the cap?

Spurs are already over the cap. And only a team with Shaq's Bird rights can sign him to trade and I don't think he was with Cleveland long enough for them to qualify.

[Bito Corleone]

You mean this guy?

http://media.theonion.com/images/articles/article/2895/Shaq-article_jpg_630x463_pad-black_upscale_q85.jpg

[E-RockWill]

Another FAILED thread...........

[Marcus Bryant]

Above all else, the need isn't there. McDyess fits perfectly the elder statesman bigman off the bench for 15 minutes a night role. The Splitter acquisition completes the Spurs' bigman rotation, and will keep McDyess' minutes down during the regular season, which is a benefit for his health and also the team as he typically doesn't turn it on until later in the season.

Anyways, back to Shaq. Yes, if the Spurs were in need of another big and Shaq was willing to accept the remainder of the MLE or the LLE, then it would be worth seriously considering. Otherwise, at this point there's no reason. The Spurs have a complete frontcourt rotation.

[elemento]

Nah Shaq should retire. I can say the same about AI

They are both cancers

[DMC]

These days, the acquisition of Shaq is the surrender flag to other teams. You have to be really desperate for attention to pick up Shaq. He's not going to get you to the promised land, he's not going to add athleticism to your team. He's not going to bring cohesion into the locker room. All he's going to do is occupy paint and doink FTs at inopportune times in the game.

Might as well try to David to come back.

If it doesn't make you a contender or contribute to a genuine rebuild, it's a bad move.

[ChuckD]

Shaq is looking for a two year farewell tour, and has said as much. Since that would overlap Tim's final years, I'll pass. Even though he probably would cringe at the attention, Tim deserves it 100X more than a broken down, vagabond Shaq would.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

if hes coming off the bench then he wouldnt be defending alot of pick and rolls, i think if we got him we can get our best pick and roll defender and shaq out there to slam bodies on the ground, we need some muscle to keep up with the massives in this league

Yeah, you're right. The only people who know how to run a pick and roll in the NBA are starting.

Seriously, WTF kind of stupid logic is that?

[AFBlue]

Nah Shaq should retire. I can say the same about AI

They are both cancers

Shaq isn't a cancer...he's a very good locker room guy, respected and appreciated by his teammates. He also brings a very specific skill-set (low-post O&D) and is effective when motivated.

Having said that, the Spurs really don't need his specific skill-set. They've already got an extremely effective low-post presence in Duncan.

[Indazone]

Bring Shaq to the Spurs. Would love to see this in a Spurs uniform :lol

AgeFmmtFbnM

99 free throws won't make one!

[murpjf88]

Shaq isn't a cancer...he's a very good locker room guy, respected and appreciated by his teammates. He also brings a very specific skill-set (low-post O&D) and is effective when motivated.

Having said that, the Spurs really don't need his specific skill-set. They've already got an extremely effective low-post presence in Duncan.

With Gasol and Bynum in L.a., you need size and muscle. Shaq wouldn't be replacing Duncan, he'd be teaming up with Duncan. Bonner and Dice don't give you much on the defensive end, and blair is gritty, but undersized and not yet a defensive presence. Splitter wasn't a great defender in Euroball, I doubt he'll be a major factor defensively here, but who knows. Bottom line, I would take Shaq at the LLE but I wouldn't pay him his asking price of 8 million.

[spursfaninla]

With Gasol and Bynum in L.a., you need size and muscle. Shaq wouldn't be replacing Duncan, he'd be teaming up with Duncan. Bonner and Dice don't give you much on the defensive end, and blair is gritty, but undersized and not yet a defensive presence. Splitter wasn't a great defender in Euroball, I doubt he'll be a major factor defensively here, but who knows. Bottom line, I would take Shaq at the LLE but I wouldn't pay him his asking price of 8 million.

I don't understand why people think that Shaq is any kind of defensive answer.

AT ALL.

The only benefit he gives defensively is that his is big and takes up space. Any big who can move AT ALL will torch him. Any big who has any mid-range game AT ALL with torch him. Any big that makes him move his feet AT ALL to defend with get him into foul trouble and torch him.

If all that was needed to beat the lakers was getting a big, fat, tall stiff, every team would have the answer. That is not it. You need a big who is athletic too.

EASILY IMAGINED DEFENSIVE NIGHTMARE WITH SHAQ: LA has two mobile bigs; just take turns with whomever SHAQ DEFENDS doing the pick n roll with kobe. Instant dunk at the basket OR wide open jumper for kobe.

thanks, but next.

[Leonard Curse]

Above all else, the need isn't there. McDyess fits perfectly the elder statesman bigman off the bench for 15 minutes a night role. The Splitter acquisition completes the Spurs' bigman rotation, and will keep McDyess' minutes down during the regular season, which is a benefit for his health and also the team as he typically doesn't turn it on until later in the season.

Anyways, back to Shaq. Yes, if the Spurs were in need of another big and Shaq was willing to accept the remainder of the MLE or the LLE, then it would be worth seriously considering. Otherwise, at this point there's no reason. The Spurs have a complete frontcourt rotation.

i disagree, if you think about an injury to lets say mcdyess then you have timmy tiago starting and blair bonner playing the rest of the game thats a hell of alot of time for bonner to be playing in the playoffs dont you think?

that example was a realistic one most likely one of these injuries will occur an even more realistic one is timmy or bonner getting injured, if timmy gets hurt were putting alot of minutes and faith in splitter/old dice/no show bonner thats alot of pressure for tiago in his first year!! if bonner gets hurt thats way to many minutes for tim and dice.

lets say they still limit dice and tim and play the shit outta splitter/blair but you know pop wont do that, and all that would be backed up with a defensive truck waiting to play and can still produce a double double from time to time w/limited minutes how in the hell is anyone going to say they would rather get some scrub other than shaq.

believe me pop will do it if shaq takes what we have, i dont know about you guys but last i checked shaq had star power/and DEFENSE on the court, he also will produce way more than that intimidated nerd bonner spurs fans if you really want to see the spurs get a ring this year were going to have to crawl our way to the top this year and shaq can help us on the court/refs and all everyone likes a good story esp stern :toast

[HarlemHeat37]

Shaq's individual defense was actually pretty good this season..opponents shot around 39% against him in individual situations..he's obviously a massive liability in pick and roll situations, but he's competent everywhere else defensively..

Duncan and Shaq would never be able to play together, except against LA, so I agree that that would be the reason the Spurs could consider him..they probably won't, because he would be like the 6th big man, which would probably turn him off, and he's a bad fit overall, but he would be a good option against the Gasol/Bynum frontcourt IMO..if anybody saw them play this year, it was pretty clear that both Bynum and Gasol are intimidated by Shaq, especially Gasol..

[Agloco]

A source confirmed to Povtak on Wednesday that, while the Spurs have great respect for Shaq, he would disrupt their chemistry.



Fixed

[dbestpro]

Yeah, Shaq is to big to play small ball.

[Indazone]

Shaq would help against the Mavs. That's your real achilles heel.

[ceperez]

as much as i dislike shaq, i wouldn't be surprised if the spurs sign him up.

the spurs championship hopes are closing real fast, and if desperate measures are needed then the f.o. should pull the trigger.

[Sense]

Shaq would help against the Mavs. That's your real achilles heel.

:rolleyes

[SpursRulez4eVeR]

when is shaq gonna give himself up and retire already...

[venitian navigator]

considering that the contenders are lak (bynum-gasol) and mia (bosh- anthony/magloire/Ilgauskas) the shaq signing makes sense...

[mystargtr34]

How would Shaq help against the Mavs? Guarding Dirk?

[rmt]

Duncan and Shaq would never be able to play together, except against LA, so I agree that that would be the reason the Spurs could consider him..they probably won't, because he would be like the 6th big man, which would probably turn him off, and he's a bad fit overall, but he would be a good option against the Gasol/Bynum frontcourt IMO..if anybody saw them play this year, it was pretty clear that both Bynum and Gasol are intimidated by Shaq, especially Gasol..

I'd sure prefer Gasol or Bynum against Shaq than the options (other than Duncan) that the Spurs have. Instead of being intimidated, Gasol would probably laugh at rookie Splitter, ancient Dice, "limo" Bonner and 2nd year Blair while telling Blair to keep working on his left hand.

Shaq will go to Boston for the vet. min before SA for the LLE or what's left of the MLE.

[Indazone]

Shaq is a big that just clogs the lane and alters shots. If the Spurs run their defenses like the Rockets, they funnel opposing players towards their bigs which forces up an errant off balance shot, blocked shot or turnover from collapsing defenses. That's what Shaq would bring to the table.

[tmtcsc]

so you give up on achampionship in the next two years?

No, not at all. I give up on Tim ever being what he once was. If this team is to win a Championship in the next 2 years, it will be because different players step up and cover the difference that Tim used to make.

We need to attack differently on offense. Tim is too slow and doesn't command double teams like he used to. He can be guarded 1 on 1 for long stretches.

[Indazone]

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Several NBA Teams Interested In Shaq As A Person07.31.10
NEW YORK—Officials from the Hawks, Celtics, and Heat expressed interest in Shaquille O'Neal as a person Wednesday, confirming league rumors that they believed the free agent center would be highly suitable for a long-term friendship. "We have made contact with Shaq's camp and have told his people that we would love for him to meet with us, and just hang out and stuff," said Atlanta Hawks president Bob Williams, adding that he was impressed with O'Neal's passion and the sense of humor he displayed in Cleveland. "Our scouts feel that even after all these years, Shaq can still contribute in small ways, especially at parties and informal get-togethers. Say what you want about him, but he's the kind of guy you want to call up and watch a basketball game with." O'Neill told reporters he's ready to make a commitment to friendship for $8 million per year.

The Onion

[K-State Spur]

Shaq is a big that just clogs the lane and alters shots. If the Spurs run their defenses like the Rockets, they funnel opposing players towards their bigs which forces up an errant off balance shot, blocked shot or turnover from collapsing defenses. That's what Shaq would bring to the table.

except teams wouldn't attack the rim. they'd just run the pick'n'roll and get wide open 12 footers all night long.

[Indazone]

except teams wouldn't attack the rim. they'd just run the pick'n'roll and get wide open 12 footers all night long.

Why would you expect just because your perimeter players play help defense on the penetrating guards funnelling them into the big that you don't play pick and roll defense? :rolleyes

[gospursgojas]

except teams wouldn't attack the rim. they'd just run the pick'n'roll and get wide open 12 footers all night long.

Shaq wouldnt play all night.

10-12 mins a game.

[TD 21]

With Gasol and Bynum in L.a., you need size and muscle. Shaq wouldn't be replacing Duncan, he'd be teaming up with Duncan. Bonner and Dice don't give you much on the defensive end, and blair is gritty, but undersized and not yet a defensive presence. Splitter wasn't a great defender in Euroball, I doubt he'll be a major factor defensively here, but who knows. Bottom line, I would take Shaq at the LLE but I wouldn't pay him his asking price of 8 million.

Wrong. You do need length, no question, but you also need mobility. I don't know why people make the Lakers front line out to be physically imposing; it's not. The Spurs have more "muscle" on the front line than the Lakers do.

[Leonard Curse]

Yeah, you're right. The only people who know how to run a pick and roll in the NBA are starting.

Seriously, WTF kind of stupid logic is that?
ok let me speak retard to you "DA 2nd unit well beee easyer tuu deefend yyaaaayy!!!" of course subs know how to pick and roll however since shaq isnt a rookie/or have no experience in these situations i think hell be fine out there against the likes of Benga/amundson/turiaf/nesterovich/kwame brown do you get what im saying now???? and if you look up his PER its still as or more productive than alot of starters in the league so lets not act like this guy has nothing to offer

[DirkISaCocLuvinPuSSy]

Shaqs bad is more harmful that Shaqs good is helpful, therefor i say kill Shaq and let the many tribes feast on him. seriously tho fuck Shaq, all he ever did was hate on Dave and Tim, so Shaq aka whack can go and slurp on Wade's nuts like Lebron cause I don't wanna see that cock goblin play pick and roll D in a Spurs jersey. Shack can go to hell and take that TWISM bullshit with him.:nope

[Blackjack]

ArtGarcia_NBA

So much for Europe. RT @SherrodbCSN #Celtics appear to be close to signing Shaquille O'Neal. Will have the story up shortly.

[Muser]

Just when I thought Boston couldn't get any older. Thank god.

[timtonymanu]

Adding Shaq to Boston makes me root against them more.

KG + Shaq. Gross.

[venitian navigator]

Celtics, with Shaq, will be full of vets...when Perkins come back, where are the minutes for everybody ?
Maybe the point is that they're really scared 'cause of Perkins Injury (supposedly a bad one)...
On our side, I'm sorry that Shaq is not going to sign with us, looked like an ideal fit against championship caliber teams...and I still think we need another big body that can play, 'cause of our vet's age, and available for the minimum or LLE.

Rasho and Shaq (that were my best options) are gone.

The best still available ? maybe, strictly for defensive purposes, someone like Kwame Brown ? or someone that already knows the system ? (Like Mohammed or Elson?)

[G-Dawgg]

it would be sick...even though shaq would be a liability vs mobile centers, thinking about him and Duncan tossing each other ally-oop passes every possession at will would be cool to see...who'd be able to prevent that from happening really? ah well better off without him.

[Leonard Curse]

Celtics, with Shaq, will be full of vets...when Perkins come back, where are the minutes for everybody ?
Maybe the point is that they're really scared 'cause of Perkins Injury (supposedly a bad one)...
On our side, I'm sorry that Shaq is not going to sign with us, looked like an ideal fit against championship caliber teams...and I still think we need another big body that can play, 'cause of our vet's age, and available for the minimum or LLE.

Rasho and Shaq (that were my best options) are gone.

The best still available ? maybe, strictly for defensive purposes, someone like Kwame Brown ? or someone that already knows the system ? (Like Mohammed or Elson?)
these people arent looking at any stats theyre just seeing his fat ass and thinking no way, if you go look at whos available for the money shaq destroys anyone , and even a couple of starters stats. it was a dumb move to be a lame ass and not go after shaq.

great now we have a good amount of time to play bonner woohoooo :lol this is awesome wait so now who do we sign???? like i said shaq would have boosted this team up and made us even more competitive unlike matt choker

[Nego]

these people arent looking at any stats theyre just seeing his fat ass and thinking no way, if you go look at whos available for the money shaq destroys anyone , and even a couple of starters stats. it was a dumb move to be a lame ass and not go after shaq.

great now we have a good amount of time to play bonner woohoooo :lol this is awesome wait so now who do we sign???? like i said shaq would have boosted this team up and made us even more competitive unlike matt choker

I know I dont post much, but I've been around awhile...so I'll say this, although it may not be popular, I mostly agree with Leonard. I think it is a mistake not to go after Shaq. I think it would be better to have the guy than not. So the guy doesnt have the best history with the Spurs, even ol' T.O danced on the Dallas Cowboy's star once.

If the guy will help you win a couple of games, and you can keep him away from teams like Boston, or Miami, why wouldnt you do it?

I know people don't care about the Barnes signing with the Lakers, etc. but I just get this feeling that we are going to regret not making these moves and letting these teams "ahead of us" get stronger, if even minutely.

Guys I just dont want to be tied with a team like Boston, in an awesome overtime game with two seconds to go... and Shaq's in there....hasn't done anything all game..but he manages to take that pass..somehow get past Duncan and Splitter, and slam down that winning goal... ...AND we lose yet another close game.

It's just frustrating sometimes..

[jermaine]

I know I dont post much, but I've been around awhile...so I'll say this, although it may not be popular, I mostly agree with Leonard. I think it is a mistake not to go after Shaq. I think it would be better to have the guy than not. So the guy doesnt have the best history with the Spurs, even ol' T.O danced on the Dallas Cowboy's star once.

If the guy will help you win a couple of games, and you can keep him away from teams like Boston, or Miami, why wouldnt you do it?

I know people don't care about the Barnes signing with the Lakers, etc. but I just get this feeling that we are going to regret not making these moves and letting these teams "ahead of us" get stronger, if even minutely.

Guys I just dont want to be tied with a team like Boston, in an awesome overtime game with two seconds to go... and Shaq's in there....hasn't done anything all game..but he manages to take that pass..somehow get past Duncan and Splitter, and slam down that winning goal... ...AND we lose yet another close game.

It's just frustrating sometimes..

I think that same shit! No Shaq is not the answer to our problems, but he dam sure can help Timmy! I've only missed 6 Spurs games in the last 3yrs & in that time I've never seen more than 1 Spur really tryin to rebound! Shaq put/will put up the stats that matter(not counting shots he will alter). Now I'm not dissin the new R&B/Rapper sensation Dejuan Blair but he & Bonner aint shit against the Lakers(see KG & Sheed). So what in the fuck made the Spurs FO think we didn't need a insurance big?

[venitian navigator]

...and another thing.
last year holt said he was committed to pay the lux tax 'till Timmy window was open.
And last year, in fact, thanks to Jefferson contract, Spurs paid a lot of money.
But now, thanks to the RJ re-negotiation, we are still under the lux tax...and, as we sow, players that can give a kmore than decent contribution to a winning team (see barnes and Shaq) has been signed for vet-min or something just more than that....

So I wonder... paying something like 3/4 millions (I suppose two contracts at LLE or vet min) or also something like 6/7 millions (if were necessary to make a sign and trade for take one player we wanted) like lux tax is an excessive price for a better chance at a title ?

And please, also for Shaq and barnes haters one thing must be at last clear...for the limited amounto of money they'll receive for the contracts they signed, they are, as of now, in all possible way, real bargains.

[K-State Spur]

Guys I just dont want to be tied with a team like Boston, in an awesome overtime game with two seconds to go... and Shaq's in there....hasn't done anything all game..but he manages to take that pass..somehow get past Duncan and Splitter, and slam down that winning goal... ...AND we lose yet another close game.


Because Shaq does that all the time now...

Yeah, it's possible that could happen - it's also possible that we could be up 2 on Boston and Kendrick Perkins hits a 3 as time expires.

Make decisions based on what's best for the team, not on hypothetical (and unlikely) scenarios that you don't want to see.

[K-State Spur]

I've only missed 6 Spurs games in the last 3yrs & in that time I've never seen more than 1 Spur really tryin to rebound!

Any minutes that Shaq gets would be minutes that another big wouldn't - and Duncan, Blair, and even McDyess are all better rebounders than Shaq at this stage in their careers. And Splitter may well prove to be.

[will_spurs]

He's signed with the Celtics.

/thread

[Ice009]

Did anyone actually read he is signing with the Celtics.

Like Will_Spurs mentioned, why are people still talking about getting him?

May as well close this thread now.

[Budkin]

Thank God this thread can die now.

[lefty]

Thank God this thread can die now.
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