It's not over.

[Kori Ellis]

The Suns-Mavs series is tied 2-2 just like the Spurs-Sonics series. Everyone thought that the Suns and the Spurs were going to just roll to the Western Conference Finals and they aren't. Maybe they got cocky. Maybe their opponents are better than we think.

But bottomline, nobody is going to roll into the WCF now.

No fans were bitching about the offense when the Spurs were up 2-0 and Manu, Tony and Tim were all averaging 20+. No one was bitching about the defense when Ray was a :cat when Bruce Bowen was in his shirt.

Tonight sucked. It was a bad, bad game. The offensive execution sucked. The defense sucked. But why do a lot of you put more value into this sucky day than the Spurs great days?

Re-group.

Believe.

Win.

:princess

[T Park]

sorry I just cant.

Sorry if this is for BELIEVERS only, but nothing has given me hope that the Spurs can do it.

[Kori Ellis]

sorry I just cant.

Sorry if this is for BELIEVERS only, but nothing has given me hope that the Spurs can do it.

Again I ask, why do you give a bad game more value than the Spurs good games?

BTW, get Danny Ferry and Believe out of your sig.

[Vashner]

lol people melting down... The challenges are what makes a good series. It's game on now. It's 2 out of 3 now... winner takes all.

[E20]

The only thing I'm mad about is that I predicted the Spurs in 5 :(, I guess it's now Spurs in 6.

[Manu20]

I BELIEVE!

Spurs in 6

[SPARKY]

NOT IN OUR HOUSE.

Seattle's gaggle of chumps won't get off like they did tonight on the road. They need that crowd behind them.

[T Park]

why do you give a bad game more value than the Spurs good games

because they didnt try. They got blown out by an inferior team.

They took a series with all the momentum and lost it, and now are in danger of pulling an 03 04.


Also, we fell into the rut of not adjusting.

WE ARE NOT ADJUSTING!! THEY FIXED NO PROBLEMS FROM GAME 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Summers]

Re-group.

Believe.

Win.

Damn straight. Bring on game 5.

[Kori Ellis]

because they didnt try. They got blown out by an inferior team.

They took a series with all the momentum and lost it, and now are in danger of pulling an 03 04.


Also, we fell into the rut of not adjusting.

WE ARE NOT ADJUSTING!! THEY FIXED NO PROBLEMS FROM GAME 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luke Ridnour had the quarter of his life. If not for that, the Spurs -- despite sucking ass -- win. Do you realize that?

Snap out of it, TPark.

Ask your mom to slap you.

[T Park]

I would, but everyone is in bed.


Luke Ridnour had the quarter of his life


because of our failure to adjust to the pick and roll!!!


DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kori Ellis]

I would, but everyone is in bed.

:lmao

Wake her up. These are desperate times. You are one of the greatest homers of all time. The Spurs can't lose you. ;)

[polandprzem]

Spurs ;ost gmame 3 because they didn't execuite, now the bad game.
What will be the game number 5 like?

I still belive but I remember the last year.

Damn I'm so pissed of

[Ginofan]

I originally THOUGHT Spurs in 6. Guess it's just gonna have to come true. :fro

BELIEVE BABY!

[T Park]

You are one of the greatest homers of all time


maybe, its time I stop being one.


I disagree, a Homer, would also be blindly support Brent Barry right now, and I dont, so Im sorry, im not a homer, probobly a die hard stupid fan, but not a homer.

[Obstructed_View]

If the Spurs' effort and the history of this team is any indication, there might be one team rolling into the WCF...

No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because Parker and Ginobili went toward the basket and got easy scores, drew contact, drew double teams, opened up opportunities for their big men to get offensive boards and for their shooters to get wide open looks. No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because open players took shots with confidence and hit them. No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because their defense was active and got turnovers which turned into easy baskets on the other end.

I don't know about anyone else but I put a lot of value into a sucky game only when it follows a bad loss and shows a complete lack of heart on the part of every player in the game not wearing number 21, as well as showing a complete lack of preparation or adjustments by the team since they got completely torched by the same play two games in a row.

If the Spurs can't figure out the pick and roll with Jerome James, Danny Fortson, Luke Ridnour and Nick Collison there's no way they're going to be able to beat any of the other teams still in the playoffs. If they don't figure out a way to regain their aggression and stop looking to the refs to bail them out every trip down the court they won't beat Seattle again.

[Kori Ellis]

maybe, its time I stop being one.


I disagree, a Homer, would also be blindly support Brent Barry right now, and I dont, so Im sorry, im not a homer, probobly a die hard stupid fan, but not a homer.

Off topic ... did you hear Pop call Walter Pasacrita a homer in the postgame press conference after game two when Walter asked if the foul calls were questionable? :lmao

Pop saying Homer repeatedly was hysterical.

Okay, back to the thread.

[T Park]

If the Spurs' effort and the history of this team is any indication, there might be one team rolling into the WCF...

No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because Parker and Ginobili went toward the basket and got easy scores, drew contact, drew double teams, opened up opportunities for their big men to get offensive boards and for their shooters to get wide open looks. No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because open players took shots with confidence and hit them. No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because their defense was active and got turnovers which turned into easy baskets on the other end.

I don't know about anyone else but I put a lot of value into a sucky game only when it follows a bad loss and shows a complete lack of heart on the part of every player in the game not wearing number 21, as well as showing a complete lack of preparation or adjustments by the team since they got completely torched by the same play two games in a row.

If the Spurs can't figure out the pick and roll with Jerome James, Danny Fortson, Luke Ridnour and Nick Collison there's no way they're going to be able to beat any of the other teams still in the playoffs. If they don't figure out a way to regain their aggression and stop looking to the refs to bail them out every trip down the court they won't beat Seattle again.




a fucking men.

[polandprzem]

Off topic ... did you hear Pop call Walter Pasacrita a homer in the postgame press conference after game two when Walter asked if the foul calls were questionable? :lmao

Pop saying Homer repeatedly was hysterical.

That was just great.

[firepopovich]

newsflash: its been over

pop gave up after game 3.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

My cynicism comes from realizing Pop's one great flaw: adjustments. If a team makes a major adjustment in a playoff series on defense, our offense gets shut down. And that starts the vicious cycle where we start pressing on defense, making mistakes, allowing scores, while not scoring at the other end, and the downward spiral begins.

Most recently it's been:

'02 - Lakers start doubling Duncan viciously, while effectively "zoneing" the Spurs weakside shooters - three players defended by two men. Offense, and the Spurs = toast.

'04 - Lakers start packing the paint to make life hell for Duncan and shut off Tony's casual strolls down the lane. Offensively, they started screen Bowen to get him off Kobe. Game, set, match.

'05 - Seattle has made the same adjustment on defense - zone the lane, and by proxy Duncan. And on offense, they've moved their pick and roll from the angle over to the top of the key, neutering the Spurs "send them to the baseline defensive system."

Two games and four days later, Seattle is rolling and beating us over the head with the same fucking play over and over again. And Pop doesn't know what to do.

Game, set, match.

I've always been a big picture kind of guy. You only need two colors, black and blue, to paint one of our playoff offense.

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And here's the kicker: back in the fall when we were getting out and running, and running a lot of motion on offense, we were rolling teams. KILLING them. Naming the score every night. Hell, even Barry was looking good running with Beno and the bench brigade.

Then the clock struck '05, Pop started getting "playoff mode", and we have gone back to a postage-stamp sized playbook, and are getting our teeth kicked in yet again.

ShoogarBear put it the best a few weeks ago: the personnel change, but the trends remain the same.

There's only two guys who have been here the whole time ('00-current) we've been looking like ass on offense in the playoffs: Tim and Pop.

I don't know about anyone else, but push comes to shove, see ya Pop.

[T Park]

cant argue with that.

[Kori Ellis]

And if the Spurs re-group and adjust, figure out how to defend the pick-and-roll, and get back to executing on offense ... and win. Then what?

[Kori Ellis]

Of course you can argue that. You are talking about what happened last season against a Shaq and Kobe Lakers team. You aren't talking about now. Series don't end after four games. They end after four wins.

[T Park]

key word IF.

If they win?? Great, I think phoenix will be even tougher.


But I dont think they are winning, cause precedant shows Popovich doesnt fuckin adjust.

[Kori Ellis]

key word IF.

Well we can only say IF. The games haven't been played yet.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

And if the Spurs re-group and adjust, figure out how to defend the pick-and-roll, and get back to executing on offense ... and win. Then what?

Then we move on, and pray that someone gets hot from outside.

I think the reasons most people, myself included, are really down is that

1. its' the same old shit on offense in the playoffs

2. everyone was expecting this team to respond to the game 3 BS, and especially to Seattle's bulletin board statements to the press, and instead we came out and let them bully us around defensively, and on offense Antonio, Ray, and Luke took turns strolling down the lane without ever getting put on their ass.

I hope I'm wrong, but I saw nothing tonight to make me think otherwise.

[nickbroken]

I can understand being down about a loss, but still you took the best game Luke's had and Tony and Manu playing like crap, they wont repeat the same thing even less likely to happen at home I just can't for the life of me see the Spurs losing at home and it's sad because I believe they will come back and take it in game 6, and it will be funny to see how many of you "fans" will come running back and swear we are going to go all the way when that happens, have a little faith in your team sheesh.

[Obstructed_View]

And if the Spurs re-group and adjust, figure out how to defend the pick-and-roll, and get back to executing on offense ... and win. Then what?
Then it will be a refreshing change, and completely out of character, and I'll be happy again. After being dragged behind the boat long enough you'll either learn to ski or let go of the rope.

[boutons]

"figure out how to defend the pick-and-roll,"

when Pop said in the Pop Show "that's the toughest play in basketball", the fact was irrefutable, but Pop's fatalistic tone really hit me. As if "there's nothing to be done".

How long has the p'n'r existed? Why are the Spurs, with the NBA-best defense, still trying to "figure out how to defend it" ? Wasn't that the main task after Game3?

The Spurs just didn't seem well prepared today, not by Pop, not in their personal attitudes.

[Kori Ellis]

1. its' the same old shit on offense in the playoffs

Was it the same old shit on offense when Tim, Tony and Manu each were scoring 20+ in the first couple games?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Kori, no, and then Seattle thought about LA and though "hmm, we should pack the lane."

And we're screwed now...

I'll put it another way: is there anything impressive about our offense when you can shut it down simply by packing the lane?

Our entire playoff success offensively is predicated on guys who have never been considered pure shooters getting hot from outside. In '99 we had Elliott and Jaren. In '03 we had Buckets and Kerr. But expecting TWO players to get hot outside for a month and a half of basketball is foolish at best, stupid at worst, but that's the Spurs playoff offense for ya, yeah after year.


How long has the p'n'r existed? Why are the Spurs, with the NBA-best defense, still trying to "figure out how to defend it" ? Wasn't that the main task after Game3?

That's the frustrating thing. After game 3 it was obvious solving the middle pick and roll was priority #1, 2, and 3 for our coaching staff. Tonight we looked like we've never seen it before.

Pop doesn't know what to do with that play, because both players are going to the rim from the top of the key, and we can't force anyone to go baseline, effectively neutering Pop's defensive "system." Game over.

[Obstructed_View]

I can understand being down about a loss, but still you took the best game Luke's had and Tony and Manu playing like crap, they wont repeat the same thing even less likely to happen at home I just can't for the life of me see the Spurs losing at home and it's sad because I believe they will come back and take it in game 6, and it will be funny to see how many of you "fans" will come running back and swear we are going to go all the way when that happens, have a little faith in your team sheesh.
I don't understand why anybody thinks that making an intelligent observation about the team and worrying about their having mailed it in two games in a row somehow makes someone a bad fan.

Are we required not to evaluate performances and effort and instead reduced to making stupid statements about our faith in the team? I've got news for you: there are probably fans sitting in New Orleans that believe in the Hornets and they won't be hoisting any trophies this year.

I hope the Spurs don't have your attitude after this game. They apparently had it after game 3. "Gee, we didn't hit free throws and we only lost by 1, we don't have to make any adjustments, we just need to step out on the court and the Sonics will crumble because we are number 1 in the ESPN power rankings."

If that's the case they'll be saying "Gee, we had a lot of turnovers and that's the only reason we lost. We'll be fine once we get home. I can't imagine we would lose again even if we play the same way."

[timvp]

I'll take partial blame for this loss. The coaching staff and I had the same idea on guarding their pick-and-rolls.


The way to stop the pick-and-roll is to make Ridnour score. He's not that good of a finisher and he doesn't shoot well on the move, so the Spurs' bigs should just stay with their man and the point guard for the Spurs should go under the screen. If Ridnour hits a few jumpers, that's better than giving dunks and getting fouls on top of it.

The Spurs did exactly that. They made the guards beat them by scoring the ball.

And you know what? They did. The Spurs made the adjustment and got burned.

I would have done the same thing.

[SequSpur]

Was it the same old shit on offense when Tim, Tony and Manu each were scoring 20+ in the first couple games?


All I can say is.......

Lakers vs. Spurs... 2004.

Whut happened?

Popovich didn't make anything happen.

Late.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

it will be funny to see how many of you "fans" will come running back and swear we are going to go all the way when that happens, have a little faith in your team sheesh.

I have faith in my team. I've been a Spurs fan 20 years, and I will be until the day I day.

I don't, however, have any faith in Pop's offense come playoff time.

If you came up to me with a gun and said my life depends on Pop drawing up a play to win a playoff game, I'd take the gun, pull the trigger, and get it over with.

[T Park]

at least bring a take you spineless wonder.


BTW,

TIMVP, I was thinking about that on the ride home.

The Spurs did waht TIMVP wanted, and they got blown out, WTF lol.

[nickbroken]

It's one thing to be worried about things ,but when I see loads of posts saying how we are done?What kinda shit is that, that isn't a good fan we still have atleast two more games and everyone swears we are finished when we've had only one bad game in this series it happens, last I looked the Heat were the only ones to of swept in the second round everyone is having to play, it's not like we are playing a scrub team in the sonics, but I have faith and am not stressing the small stuff.

[Obstructed_View]

when Pop said in the Pop Show "that's the toughest play in basketball", the fact was irrefutable, but Pop's fatalistic tone really hit me. As if "there's nothing to be done".

Wow, I'm surprised to hear that too. It's not like they're defending Stockton and Malone or Nash and Dirk out there. Hell, it's not even like it's Ray Allen out there very often. It's Nick Collison and Jerome James, or Luke Ridnour and Antonio Daniels. If you don't have the personnel to defend those guys there's something seriously wrong.

[Kori Ellis]

The Spurs did exactly that. They made the guards beat them by scoring the ball.

And you know what? They did. The Spurs made the adjustment and got burned.


Exactly.

I don't know why people keep saying the Spurs did nothing to adjust from games three to four. They did adjust ... they did exactly what you said and got killed by the guards. Instead of Jerome James dunking on them, they had Ridnour put up a 15 point quarter. They'll need to adjust again. And they will.

[SequSpur]

The Spurs didn't do shit. They never showed up. From the tip off, they got their asses spanked. Turnovers, missed shots, sissie play, ref calls, etc. etc...

Then a time out. The time to adjust, come back and get ass spanked again.

[SequSpur]

The Sonics came out with a 3 guard rotation, the Spurs should've slammed it down their throats but Duncan settled for shooting Dirk shots. Game over.

[T Park]

Duncan settled for shooting Dirk shots


Now I know you didnt watch the game kingpin...

[nickbroken]

You think maybe you are putting too much on the whole Pop's offense suck things?I mean if it was as simple the offensive philosophy Wouldn't you see Phil Jackson take and scrub team to the playoffs year after year instead of trying to find a team with two hall of famers aleast,This loss is on the Spurs not pop, I didn't see pop out there telling them to make bad passes, or turning the ball over, or passing up open shots.

[SequSpur]

When Duncan is a part of the offense just inside the 3 point line, I have a problem with that.

[Obstructed_View]

It's one thing to be worried about things ,but when I see loads of posts saying how we are done?What kinda shit is that, that isn't a good fan we still have atleast two more games and everyone swears we are finished when we've had only one bad game in this series it happens, last I looked the Heat were the only ones to of swept in the second round everyone is having to play, it's not like we are playing a scrub team in the sonics, but I have faith and am not stressing the small stuff.
If there's a "we are done" post in here, I know I didn't post it. And just to clue you in, the Spurs have had two bad games in this series and they were in a row. The second one was a blowout loss and they were torched by a team that has two of their top three players out of the game, and that's as close to a scrub team as there is left in the playoffs. Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili being afraid to drive to the basket is not small stuff.

The fact that the Spurs made the same mistakes for a second game in a row should set off alarms for anyone that watches. It doesn't mean I'm not hopeful that they'll turn it around, and it doesn't mean that I don't think absolutely that this series is the Spurs' to lose and that the Sonics can't possibly beat the Spurs if both teams play their best ball, but it does mean that it's starting to smell like 2004 in the WCS.

[Obstructed_View]

When Duncan is a part of the offense just inside the 3 point line, I have a problem with that.
That's two plays, what about the other 80?

[HB22inSA]

The Spurs are officially in trouble.

One more bad game, and...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

nick,

Forget it man. The Spurs are great, they have no issues, Pop's a genius, forget any of us ever said anything.

[nickbroken]

nick,

Forget it man. The Spurs are great, they have no issues, Pop's a genius, forget any of us ever said anything.


Will do, I'm just not stressing it, and everyone is up and arms over it, they were freaking out over the loss to Denver and I just have faith, I'm more of a football fan then a basketball fan so its harder for me to stress losing two games out of a best of seven series.

[mouse]

Snap out of it, TPark. Ask your mom to slap you.

(insert picture of T park with his Barney undies down to his knees)

after all the Smack talk you do in here 24/7 ? you turn out to be nothing but another Buddy Holly ? a Fraud?

I rather hang out with a new BandWagon Spur fan who still has faith in the Spurs ,than some fat bastard who claims to be the Donald Trump on Spurs Jeseys just to see his Mrs Butter worth ass melt down and give up like you did.

Dam T park, your no better than wet backs you hire............

[Obstructed_View]

Exactly.

I don't know why people keep saying the Spurs did nothing to adjust from games three to four. They did adjust ... they did exactly what you said and got killed by the guards. Instead of Jerome James dunking on them, they had Ridnour put up a 15 point quarter. They'll need to adjust again. And they will.
No, the adjustment after game 3 would be to rotate quicker and more effectively defend the pass or to double the guy with the ball really hard to disrupt the rhythm. I would even accept just switching and force them to take advantage of the mismatch. The fact that the Spurs made the exact same mistake but the opposite direction does not constitute an "adjustment". You have a choice with the pick and roll, and the design of the play is to take what the defense gives you. The fact that the Sonics did that AGAIN means the Spurs didn't adjust.

[nickbroken]

If there's a "we are done" post in here, I know I didn't post it. And just to clue you in, the Spurs have had two bad games in this series and they were in a row. The second one was a blowout loss and they were torched by a team that has two of their top three players out of the game, and that's as close to a scrub team as there is left in the playoffs. Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili being afraid to drive to the basket is not small stuff.

The fact that the Spurs made the same mistakes for a second game in a row should set off alarms for anyone that watches. It doesn't mean I'm not hopeful that they'll turn it around, and it doesn't mean that I don't think absolutely that this series is the Spurs' to lose and that the Sonics can't possibly beat the Spurs if both teams play their best ball, but it does mean that it's starting to smell like 2004 in the WCS.


I was speaking about you bro, I'm speaking about others who swear we are finished and it's over and Pop sucks so bad and doesn't know what he's doing, I guess they should just take over for Pop since he sucks so bad and they are so well qualified to coach an pro basket ball team. :lol

[Obstructed_View]

I was speaking about you bro, I'm speaking about others who swear we are finished and it's over and Pop sucks so bad and doesn't know what he's doing, I guess they should just take over for Pop since he sucks so bad and they are so well qualified to coach an pro basket ball team. :lol
I have to agree with you there; I don't particuarly like the "woe is we" posts or the "I hate this team" posts.

Regarding Pop, I thought the change in the rotation and what I perceived to be "punishment" by sitting players in game 3 was a really bad decision, but ONLY because the game turned out to be so close, and that makes it a hindsignt observation, which isn't really fair. I got the feeling Pop was struggling to find someone that felt like helping Timmy out tonight, and just couldn't find anyone. I'm sure he knows that Manu and Tony were intimidated, and I'm sure he tried everything he could think of to get them to grow some balls, but they just didn't do it, so he tried to ride the MVP as long as he could hoping they would turn around. When they showed absolutely no sign of doing so, he pulled Timmy and made them deal with it. I can't see how that's not good coaching, especially when your team decides to hang their heads and cry for whistles instead of playing aggressively and being professionals.

[nickbroken]

Pop is just getting too much blame, you can adjust all the turnovers the team made, Pop can't make Manu and Tony stop being scared to drive the paint,Pop can't wave a magic wand to make Barry stop sucking (Granted anything short of selling his soul to Satan wont help him)

[Ridnour]

"figure out how to defend the pick-and-roll,"

when Pop said in the Pop Show "that's the toughest play in basketball", the fact was irrefutable, but Pop's fatalistic tone really hit me. As if "there's nothing to be done".

How long has the p'n'r existed? Why are the Spurs, with the NBA-best defense, still trying to "figure out how to defend it" ? Wasn't that the main task after Game3?

The Spurs just didn't seem well prepared today, not by Pop, not in their personal attitudes.

As a Sonics fan I thought I'd add my 2 cents to the Spurs difficulty with the p'n'r. Ultimately, the Spurs are having trouble "figuring it out" because there's nothing to figure out. The Sonics don't really have set plays, so much as a general pattern of cuts and the ability to run a pick and roll with any two players on the court, (save Fortson, James and Evans with the b-ball). The "3 guard" rotations like the Spurs saw tonight really don't change the Sonics offense at all but create problems for the Spurs defensive match-ups. Pop tries real hard to diagram a defense to stop the p'n'r or Allen and can't. That's because the Sonics don't even know where their going with the ball during an offensive set-up play. How is Pop supposed to figure out where they're going with the ball?<p>
Secondly, the Supes have done a great job in games 3 and 4 of identifying the Spurs defensive strategy and exploiting it. Tonight the Spurs focused on keeping close on Allen and keeping the Sonics big men from getting to the basket. As a result, Ridnour, Daniels and Wilkins light it up. The Spurs didn't react to the Sonics guards all game and didn't adjust to Nate McMillan's decision to turn the guards lose. Pop's got to make adjustments in 2 minutes, so far he hasn't adjusted in two games. The Spurs are probably the better team, but McMillan's starting to run rings around Pop when it comes to quick adjustments. That inability of Pop to make quick adjustments is a problem for SA. The Sonics adjusted more from game 3 to 4 than the Spurs did. Now the question is, "Does Pop have any adjustments before game 5?" If he does then this'll continue to be a good series. If he doesn't adjust from game 4 . . . well . . . . we only need 1 win in San Antonio.

<p>Enjoy the rest of the series y'all.

[Ridnour]

Wow, I'm surprised to hear that too. It's not like they're defending Stockton and Malone or Nash and Dirk out there. Hell, it's not even like it's Ray Allen out there very often. It's Nick Collison and Jerome James, or Luke Ridnour and Antonio Daniels. If you don't have the personnel to defend those guys there's something seriously wrong.

Nothings wrong. Remember that those are guys who've been in the league for 2-3 yrs, except Daniels. Collison's basically a rookie. You're just hearing these names for the first time, you'll here them again. Give Ridnour 2 years and then you'll hear his name a LOT.

[leemajors]

start ginobli please, experiment over. not working any more. we need him to be aggressive from the get go. if you bring barry in, let him run point and play parker as off guard to encourage ball movement.

[Obstructed_View]

Nothings wrong. Remember that those are guys who've been in the league for 2-3 yrs, except Daniels. Collison's basically a rookie. You're just hearing these names for the first time, you'll here them again. Give Ridnour 2 years and then you'll hear his name a LOT.
You just made my point. The Spurs should be ashamed that they made those guys look like world beaters.

[mattyc]

We are the Spurs. They are not.

Watch us win this series.

[Ginofan]

Come on guys this is the Seattle SuperSonics, not the 4HOF stacked Lakers. They did what they were supposed to do, they held their own on their own court. It's time for us to do the same. This isn't over until the road team wins, and I'll be damned if that happens on Tuesday.

[Shelly]

Thank you for that post, Kori.

It's hard to read this forum after a loss with all the doom and gloom going on. It's nice to see a positive post like yours...especially from someone who's basketball knowledge and opinion I believe in.

If you had said, "It's over!" I'd be on that cliff right next to TPark. :Lol

[SpursWoman]

I have to admit....I feel somewhat better now that the Dallas/Phoenix series is tied as well.

Now it's Best-of-3, with the Spurs having home court advantage. Bring it on. :cooldevil

[travis2]

You are one of the greatest homers of all time.

If he's abdicating, I would be honored to take up the crown! :)

Spurs big in Game 5. Bank on it.





Believer since 1973.

[T Park]

people just hate the truth...

[SpursWoman]

TPark, go take some fucking Wellbutrin. :)

[Ginofan]

T Park get rid of Barry man! Infact, switch teams (ala mouse)...we don't need your negativity!

[beirmeistr]

If the Spurs' effort and the history of this team is any indication, there might be one team rolling into the WCF...

No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because Parker and Ginobili went toward the basket and got easy scores, drew contact, drew double teams, opened up opportunities for their big men to get offensive boards and for their shooters to get wide open looks. No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because open players took shots with confidence and hit them. No fans were bitching about the offense in games 1 and 2 because their defense was active and got turnovers which turned into easy baskets on the other end.

I don't know about anyone else but I put a lot of value into a sucky game only when it follows a bad loss and shows a complete lack of heart on the part of every player in the game not wearing number 21, as well as showing a complete lack of preparation or adjustments by the team since they got completely torched by the same play two games in a row.

If the Spurs can't figure out the pick and roll with Jerome James, Danny Fortson, Luke Ridnour and Nick Collison there's no way they're going to be able to beat any of the other teams still in the playoffs. If they don't figure out a way to regain their aggression and stop looking to the refs to bail them out every trip down the court they won't beat Seattle again.
Good post. Magic said the Sonics were playing "crazy" basketball and confusing the Spurs. Maybe that was part of the problem in game 4. It pisses me off that the Spurs lacked the energy that is required in the playoffs. I think they'll win the series, but the fact that they followed a disappointing game 3 with this type of play is disturbing. Duncan tried but the team was uninspired. And they showed that they are still susceptible to the fear-of-the-Lakers syndrome.

[JustSpurs]

I gotta agree with Kori on this...it ain't over ladies and gents....yeah, they played lethargic the last couple of games and they stopped playing in-their-face D.but we're at home now and I think they are tired of losing. I expect a blow-out. Maybe I am a homer but I still love my Spurs.

[Obstructed_View]

Good post. Magic said the Sonics were playing "crazy" basketball and confusing the Spurs. Maybe that was part of the problem in game 4. It pisses me off that the Spurs lacked the energy that is required in the playoffs. I think they'll win the series, but the fact that they followed a disappointing game 3 with this type of play is disturbing. Duncan tried but the team was uninspired. And they showed that they are still susceptible to the fear-of-the-Lakers syndrome.
In games 1 and 2 the commentators mentioned that the Spurs were playing at a different speed than the Sonics. The reverse was true in games 3 and 4.

[Ishta]

Game 5 is ours.. The Spurs will come back after getting their asses kicked from seattle to SA by Pop on the plane.These guys will come in on TUESDAY and rip the Sonics apart.. Someone(don't care who) please wipe that smarty pants smile off of Ray Allens face for goodness sake! GO SPURS GO

BELIEVE

[blaze89]

Game 5 is ours.. The Spurs will come back after getting their asses kicked from seattle to SA by Pop on the plane.These guys will come in on Saturday and rip the Sonics apart.. Someone(don't care who) please wipe that smarty pants smile off of Ray Allens face for goodness sake! GO SPURS GO

BELIEVE

Saturday? Game 5 and 6 would have both been played by then.

[Ishta]

I fixed that ! I am sure you can understand i am a little off today!:lol

[50 cent]

The Spurs need to get physical and start intimidating Barbie and the others. If not, we will continue to play right into their hands. I say start Massenburg and let him make his contribution by throwing a 'bo right in Ray Allen's grill in the first few minutes of the game. If Ridnour needs one next, then find somebody else at the end of the bench to do that as well.

[bonesinaz]

The Spurs will regroup and adjust.... it really was just one game. Seattle won't win another game in this series. The Spurs have some great vet players in Horry, GRob, TMass and yes, even Barry. Devin is seeing minutes now and I think that Pop will use him more.

Horry, Gino and TD will have to be the leaders in this fight. Each can motivate, each can instill confidence and can make the team play Spurs basketball.

I can hardly wait until Tues. :)

[T Park]

we don't need your negativity

The truth is negativity??


Sorry the truth is the truth, dont like it, but you cant hide from it and bury your head in the sand.

[MadDog73]

The truth is negativity??


Sorry the truth is the truth, dont like it, but you cant hide from it and bury your head in the sand.


What "truth" are you talking about exactly?

That the Sonics are better than the Spurs? That's not true, and a 1 pt game and a 12 pt game don't make it true.

[SpursWoman]

The truth is negativity??


Sorry the truth is the truth, dont like it, but you cant hide from it and bury your head in the sand.



Which truth are you talking about....the Spurs losing the series?


Going off the deep end about something that has yet to happen is not the truth, it's negativity.

[jalbre6]

1.Yao Ming
2.Nazr Mohammed
3.Rasho Nesterovic
4.David Robinson (retired)
5.Dikembe Mutombo
6.Erick Dampier


Does Hakeem Olajuwon not live in Houston anymore?

[ALVAREZ6]

I lost all my confidence. I am scared of game 5 because I'm worried that the Spurs are going to get destroyed again, and Pop won't adjust. It's time to fucking start Manu, and let barry jerk off on the bench.

Every game that I feel really confident about, the exact opposite of likely happens. For example: Game 4: Spurs coming off a loss, smelling revenge. No Vladimir, no Rashard. I thought that it should have been pretty easy to win. I guess not.

I am no longer going to be confident because it just backfires somehow. After the Spurs kept making these little comebacks, tieing the game up, I thought they would eventaully take the lead...but they never did.

[MasterYoda]

I lost all my confidence. I am scared of game 5 because I'm worried that the Spurs are going to get destroyed again



lack faith, you do. always fluid is the future. but win going away, the spurs shall.


remember, fear leads to hate. hate to anger. i'm telling you, it ain't no bullshit.

[smeagol]

lack faith, you do. always fluid is the future. but win going away, the spurs shall.


remember, fear leads to hate. hate to anger. i'm telling you, it ain't no bullshit.
Master Mouse is the master of disguise :lmao

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

We're not coming home to play Game 7.

We're coming home to play Game 1.

Believe.

[nickbroken]

I lost all my confidence. I am scared of game 5 because I'm worried that the Spurs are going to get destroyed again, and Pop won't adjust. It's time to fucking start Manu, and let barry jerk off on the bench.

Every game that I feel really confident about, the exact opposite of likely happens. For example: Game 4: Spurs coming off a loss, smelling revenge. No Vladimir, no Rashard. I thought that it should have been pretty easy to win. I guess not.

I am no longer going to be confident because it just backfires somehow. After the Spurs kept making these little comebacks, tieing the game up, I thought they would eventaully take the lead...but they never did.

Spoken like a true Philly fan. :rolleyes

[SpursWoman]

and let barry jerk off on the bench.


No, I think Barry lives too close to the Quarry. I think he should keep his jerking off to the privacy of his own home.

[ALVAREZ6]

lack faith, you do. always fluid is the future. but win going away, the spurs shall.


remember, fear leads to hate. hate to anger. i'm telling you, it ain't no bullshit.
I'm just not confident, because everytime I am, we lose.

No more confidence.

[Obstructed_View]

Does Hakeem Olajuwon not live in Houston anymore?
Hakeem's 43 years old. I figured putting two 39 year olds ahead of Dampier on the list was insult enough.

[ALVAREZ6]

Obstructed View, on your signature...


Top Centers in Texas
1.Yao Ming
2.Nazr Mohammed
3.Rasho Nesterovic
4.David Robinson (retired)
5.Dikembe Mutombo
6.Erick Dampier
Shouldn't Robinson be #1 and Rasho #6?

Just a thought.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

and let barry jerk off on the bench.



As long as there aren't any off-duty constables guarding the bench area.

[td4mvp21]

Why is everyone giving up on them???? I know its easy but don't any of you have faith? the 03 championship team did the same thing. They looked PATHETIC at times in the playoffs. And what did they end up with? A CHAMPIONSHIP. What happened to the Pistons championship team last year? They were 2-0 against NJ and then lose three straight before blowing them out in the next two. I was mad and disappointed too, but its even. Its just like starting over. Our team is good. You shouldn't give up just because of one loss. People are starting to say how we didn't make any adjustments from game 3-What adjustments do we need to make?!?!?!!?! we lost by one stinking point!!!!!!!!! Our freethrows lost us game 3 and we come back and hit over 80% of them. It was a bad game. Aren't the Spurs allowed to have one of those? If the Spurs lose this series, then so be it. We weren't meant to be champions. But if we win, all of you will be coming back and happy as ever. Everyone acts as if the series is over. Yes, they looked like last years meltdown team in Game 4, but they looked pititful two years ago too. Have faith.

[Bandit2981]

i originally thought spurs in 6, but got a little prediction happy (4-0!) after the first 2 games...however, seattle IS a good team, they weren't #3 in the freakin conference for nothing! the spurs are the better team, and will win the next 2 games and the series. miami hasnt had any competition in the playoffs so far, so its hard to judge how good they really are at this point. every other team is 2-2, even the world champs playing what some might say is an inferior team. i dont understand why everyone gets so down on the spurs if they dont sweep everybody, yes they didnt play that well in game 4, but the games against denver and the first 3 against seattle(with the exception of missed free throws) should in no way get overshadowed by a bad game. BELIEVE!!! and dont ask to hop back on the bandwagon for the phoenix series :)

[ALVAREZ6]

BTW, does anyone know when Rashard Lewis is expected to return?

Thanks.

[tlongII]

BTW, does anyone know when Rashard Lewis is expected to return?

Thanks.

Shard is day to day. It's possible that he could play tomorrow.

[Leetonidas]

WE ARE NOT ADJUSTING!! THEY FIXED NO PROBLEMS FROM GAME 3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only problem from Game 3 was the free throws, maybe the pick and roll defense, and that was fine until Timmy went out.

Spurs in 6.

BELIEVE!

P.S. -- I hope all you bandwagoning losers leave when this series is over.

[ALVAREZ6]

Shard is day to day. It's possible that he could play tomorrow.
OK. I hope he doesn't though.

[Horry For 3!]

I still have faith in the Spurs! Hopefully they will get it done in 6.

[1Parker1]

We're not coming home to play Game 7.

We're coming home to play Game 1.

Believe.


Nice!!! :smokin

[DayTripper]

Well, I'm new in here - but I've been a Spurs fan for about as long as I can remember. Most of y'all seem to really know the ins and outs of basketball while I'm doing good just to figure out where the damn ball is - but, by God, I know this team and this team ain't finished yet.

Not only do I think the Spurs will play a great game tomorrow night (they're home and they'll have an audience that's really into them), but I think the Sonics are gonna be just a little too big for their britches. They're a young team and they've gotta be feeling real cocky right now.

That'll play to the Spurs - and they'll get it done.

Just my humble opinion.

[SpursWoman]

Well, I'm new in here - but I've been a Spurs fan for about as long as I can remember. Most of y'all seem to really know the ins and outs of basketball while I'm doing good just to figure out where the damn ball is - but, by God, I know this team and this team ain't finished yet.

Not only do I think the Spurs will play a great game tomorrow night (they're home and they'll have an audience that's really into them), but I think the Sonics are gonna be just a little too big for their britches. They're a young team and they've gotta be feeling real cocky right now.

That'll play to the Spurs - and they'll get it done.

Just my humble opinion.


And a very appreciated one. It's about time you finally posted! :)

[E20]

Props to YODA!!! :lmao

[DayTripper]

Thanks, Spurswoman! Like I said, all the basketball knowledge displayed here can be pretty intimidating to a non-expert like me.

But I just hate to see the Spurs being crapped on by so many fairweather fans. It ain't over til the fat lady sings and she hasn't even taken a deep breath yet! This negativity is contagious and that's dangerous for all of us.

[beirmeistr]

Thanks, Spurswoman! Like I said, all the basketball knowledge displayed here can be pretty intimidating to a non-expert like me.

But I just hate to see the Spurs being crapped on by so many fairweather fans. It ain't over til the fat lady sings and she hasn't even taken a deep breath yet! This negativity is contagious and that's dangerous for all of us.
chill, daytripper. The fat lady isn't going to sing. The closest thing, though, could be jerome james donning a dress and singing the I-should-have-kept-my-mouth-shut blues.

[Obstructed_View]

Obstructed View, on your signature...


Shouldn't Robinson be #1 and Rasho #6?

Just a thought.

It's making fun of Erick Dampier's claim that he was the "second best center in the NBA" when he's the sixth best center in the state of Texas. It's a joke. Robinson shouldn't even be on the list but I was trying to illustrate how ludicrous his boast was.