Questions about the Bible...

[Jekka]

Well then, seems I have reading to do. Thanks for the heads up. :toast

Follow-up text to Rev. Mom's original reply:

And if you think more about it, why would God send Godself to hell. Makes no sense to me.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Jekka]

And:

Might be missing a few "gears" in the bicycle!

:lol

[JoeChalupa]

I ain't going anywhere near Rev. Mom.

[JoeChalupa]

I've never been one to quote scripture though.

[redzero]

Nothing is stopping you from saying that.

But if you truly seek the truth and do so with a pure heart, the truth shall be revealed to you. Many cannot see the forest for the trees. I see both.

And would you still see the truth if you never heard of the Bible or the Christian God?

I don't know why you speak like you know what you're talking about, yet can't come up with a single reason why the word of God condones slavery other than saying that it's Satan trying to trick us.

[clambake]

I am promoting True Love. If you wish to call me a heretic, that is your choice.

I already said I was not familiar with that scripture, which if you say it does not exist, I have to take your word for it at this time...so I have reading to do.

where are you going to look for it?

[Ignignokt]

Follow-up text to Rev. Mom's original reply:

And if you think more about it, why would God send Godself to hell. Makes no sense to me.

who is rev mom... is your mom a reverend?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Actually I probably have tried but only by memory and not by Mark 3:15-18.

[Shelly]

You're all HEATHENS! Repent!

And Chalupa, I'll gladly condemn some margaritas also!

[MannyIsGod]

I ain't going anywhere near Rev. Mom.

If Minister Mom starts mocking you - its all over.

[JoeChalupa]

My dad is a Deacon. :tu

[redzero]

When Our Father in Heaven is none of those things.

And you know that how?

[Jekka]

who is rev mom... is your mom a reverend?

Yes, now retired.

[JoeChalupa]

You're all HEATHENS! Repent!

And Chalupa, I'll gladly condemn some margaritas also!

:tu

[Ignignokt]

Because Lucifer wants to confuse us into thinking that Our Father is imperfect and that he is wrathful and vengeful and judgmental.

When Our Father in Heaven is none of those things.

Dude, please use scripture instead of whatever retarded feel good prosperity word of faith preacher you're qouting.

Fortunately the Kingdom of God allows for the illiterate.

[MannyIsGod]

who is rev mom... is your mom a reverend?

Methodist minister.

[LnGrrrR]

I'll bite... I would venture to say that you, like the majority here in this thread, don't really care about any of this, consider it all baloney, and simply enter such threads to turn them into mockfests and to continue to justify your own unbelief (amongst everyone's reasons)...

I don't feel I need justification for my unbelief. I am curious about what people believe, and why. I merely ask questions so that others may reflect on their beliefs and determine if they are held for valid reasons; that's not so wrong, is it?


NOW, as for your question... The answer unfortunately is "no"... Redemption after our ephimeral life here on Earth is not possible in the 'afterlife'... because at that point you would no longer be acting out of faith, but out regret...

I'm ok with that, with one exception. Why would you punish people who didn't have faith with you? I could understand God saying, "Look, you didn't have faith in me, so you're not set up for Heaven." That's at least debatably fair. But I don't see the justification for eternal punishment.

[Ignignokt]

Yes, now retired.

wow.

what denom... is she calvinist or arminian...etc..

[Ignignokt]

Methodist minister.

ah.

[Ignignokt]

My theory was proved correct.

Joe Chalupa encourages shitty takes and posts.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

Because Jesus walked a path to salvation that we must all walk if we wish to be saved.

God allows for Jesus to be tempted by Lucifer so that Jesus would resist that temptation, and defeat Lucifer, thus freeing all of our souls from condemnation should we choose to walk the path of righteousness as Jesus did. Text her that. :toast

Because Bigzax is talking out of his ass and making baby jesus sad.

[Jekka]

Because Jesus walked a path to salvation that we must all walk if we wish to be saved.

God allows for Jesus to be tempted by Lucifer so that Jesus would resist that temptation, and defeat Lucifer, thus freeing all of our souls from condemnation should we choose to walk the path of righteousness as Jesus did. Text her that. :toast

... so you're saying, what. That Jesus was taking vengeance on Lucifer for tempting him in the desert by going down to Hell after his crucifixion to pound his ass? This makes no sense. What would Jesus accomplish by going to hell?

[JoeChalupa]

My theory was proved correct.

Joe Chalupa encourages shitty takes and posts.

I see I encouraged you. :lol

So then you are saying everyone in this thread has shitty takes and posts?

[Ignignokt]

Yes, and many thought the same of Jesus as well at the time.

Jesus was never found naked in public, cheated on his wife, or stole a company laptop.

He also knew the law back and forth.

[LnGrrrR]

Many cannot see the forest for the trees. I see both.

:rolleyes

Brilliant minds have struggled with these philosophical questions for centuries, and yea, all we needed was a poster from Spurstalk to enlighten us. Verily.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

Because Bigzax is talking out of his ass and making baby jesus sad.

That's pretty much it. He's already admitted to disregarding parts of the Bible because he doesn't like them.

[JoeChalupa]

Jesus was never found naked in public, cheated on his wife, or stole a company laptop.

He also knew the law back and forth.

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

[Ignignokt]

I see I encouraged you. :lol

So then you are saying everyone in this thread has shitty takes and posts?

Nice I'm paper and you're glue reply.

I'm just saying that you encouraged Zax to suck sax, you're seal of approval is a seal of mediocrity tbqh.

[bigzak25]

Our Father is True Love.

[MannyIsGod]

Yes, and many thought the same of Jesus as well at the time.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Did you just compare yoruself to Jesus????

[Ignignokt]

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

You even steal my schticks..

[clambake]

Probably not, which is why I believe it is written that we will all know the word of God before judgment day.

but you've made it clear that you don't know the word of god.

[redzero]

Probably not, which is why I believe it is written that we will all know the word of God before judgment day.

Except for all the people who never get to see judgment day


Yes, I cannot come up with a single reason except for THE reason.

Which is?

Give me a good reason why God doesn't condone slavery, and don't just brush my challenge off by saying that Lucifer said it.

[Jekka]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Did you just compare yoruself to Jesus????
It's okay, being "Christ-like" isn't blasphemous if you don't call it blasphemy.

[bigzak25]

I'm ok with that, with one exception. Why would you punish people who didn't have faith with you?

Satan punishes. God takes out the trash.

[Ignignokt]

It's okay, being "Christ-like" isn't blasphemous if you don't call it blasphemy.

Blasphemy is ok if it's done out of love.. because the Father is love.

[redzero]

http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm (Don't whine about the name of the site. If you think it's lying, look up the passages yourself.)


1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Quotes from the New Testament. I guess they must be inspired by the devil, too.

[Ignignokt]

Neither God nor Lucifer would tolerate this stupidity by Zax currently supported by Joe Chalupa.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

I'm speaking from my heart and I feel Jesus would be happy that I am standing tall.

Do you also claim to speak for jesus even though you don't know his scripture??

[JoeChalupa]

Nice I'm paper and you're glue reply.

I'm just saying that you encouraged Zax to suck sax, you're seal of approval is a seal of mediocrity tbqh.

Hey, I just post boring takes the rest is not up to me. :lol Then you started posting your mediocre takes but I do give you my seal of approval.

[LnGrrrR]

Parts of the Bible that BigZak likes/agrees with: Word of God
Parts of the Bible that BigZak doesn't like/doesn't agree with: Word of Satan

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Neither God nor Lucifer would tolerate this stupidity by Zax currently supported by Joe Chalupa.

I support my own beliefs and your continued posting shows your own tolerance and support. Thanks for playing.

[Ignignokt]

Hey, I just post boring takes the rest is not up to me. :lol Then you started posting your mediocre takes but I do give you my seal of approval.

Encouraging a med taking lunatic is quality posting. :tu

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

bigzak, I know your plate is full at the moment, but would you mind responding to this post?


http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm (Don't whine about the name of the site. If you think it's lying, look up the passages yourself.)



Quotes from the New Testament. I guess they must be inspired by the devil, too.

[JoeChalupa]

Who would have known that boring equates to a 12 page thread?

[LARRY MERCHANT]

Although Bigzax is out numbered he seems to come back after each blow!


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/222-2.jpg

[JoeChalupa]

Encouraging a med taking lunatic is quality posting. :tu

Thanks. I knew you'd come around.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LnGrrrR]

If your father puts a cookie on the table, says it's yours, and you still choose not to eat it, is he punishing you and keeping the cookie from you?

You make your own choices. That is what free will is all about.

As if eating a cookie and pledging allegiance to a creator were of equal magnitude.

And if God told me I was grounded for not eating the cookie, then he would be punishing me, correct?

[bigzak25]

That's pretty much it. He's already admitted to disregarding parts of the Bible because he doesn't like them.


NO. I disregard no part of the bible.

My goal is only to read with a pure heart.

[Ignignokt]

I support my own beliefs and your continued posting shows your own tolerance and support. Thanks for playing.

You chose to play it safe. When it was obvious this Zax guy is being judgmental while proclaiming ignorance about the standard he's enforcing on everybody. Lame and Boorrinngg.

It's like you're hear to support and encourage the dumbest and least interesting takes on spurstalk.

[JIM LAMPLEY]

Although Bigzax is out numbered he seems to come back after each blow!

With chalupa as his cut man I am not at all surprised. Now if only that lame ring bitch ignignot would shut up we'd have a classic.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

NO. I disregard no part of the bible.

My goal is only to interpret the bible clearly.

Respond to my previous post, please.

[Ignignokt]

Although Bigzax is out numbered he seems to come back after each blow!

you seem to be doing all the blowing here.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

With chalupa as his cut man I am not at all surprised. Now if only that lame ring bitch ignignot would shut up we'd have a classic.

:lol

Two shitty trolls aren't better than Zax.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace.

[JoeChalupa]

You chose to play it safe. When it was obvious this Zax guy is being judgmental while proclaiming ignorance about the standard he's enforcing on everybody. Lame and Boorrinngg.

It's like you're hear to support and encourage the dumbest and least interesting takes on spurstalk.

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

Like I said, you've got my support. :tu

[Ignignokt]

The word of God is LOVE. Now we all know. :toast

How do you know, if you never read it??

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Ig, you are bringing nothing to this thread. Read and learn or leave.

He cannot be saved. Let it go.

[Ignignokt]

Ig, you are bringing nothing to this thread. Read and learn or leave.

I've correctly identified your shit doctrine to be Marcionite, i gave you a clue to look up on your beliefs.

I've done my job.

[JoeChalupa]

God bless Texas!

[Ignignokt]

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

Like I said, you've got my support. :tu

I don't accept.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

I just pour mustard on my hotdog and read readers digest!!


I'll condemn some Margaritas with you joe!!

[Ignignokt]

Are you two believers now or not?

It is rather insulting to be judged by non-believers.

It's insulting that non believers know more about your doctrine than you and Joe "Impotency is cool! Margarita Time!!" Chalupa. :rollin

[LnGrrrR]

Are you two believers now or not?

It is rather insulting to be judged by non-believers.

Why is it insulting to be judged by non-believers? After all, you were judging non-believers yourself.

[redzero]

http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm (Don't whine about the name of the site. If you think it's lying, look up the passages yourself.)


1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Quotes from the New Testament. I guess they must be inspired by the devil, too. Second time I've had to post this.

[Ignignokt]

Why is it insulting to be judged by non-believers? After all, you were judging non-believers yourself.

:lol topsy turvy world you know...

[JoeChalupa]

It's insulting that non believers know more about your doctrine than you and Joe "Impotency is cool! Margarita Time!!" Chalupa. :rollin

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

[LnGrrrR]

NO. I disregard no part of the bible.

My goal is only to interpret the bible clearly.

You've said that you feel parts of the Bible were written/inspired by Lucifer, including some laws, correct?

Do you follow those laws, or not? If you do, you're following Lucifer, if not, you're disregarding parts of the Bible.

[LnGrrrR]

It's insulting that non believers know more about your doctrine than you

I find that I tend to know much more about Christianity and the Bible than most Christian believers... sadly.

Most Jewish people tend to actively pursue their faith, and so have reflected on these issues. Also, their beliefs are slightly more sensible than Christians.

[bigzak25]

Do you also claim to speak for jesus even though you don't know his scripture??


NO, Jesus has spoken and His words are there for all to read.

[Ignignokt]

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

You're pretty comfortable in your own language, Joe.:tu

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

I'm still waiting for bigzak to respond to all of those New Testament quotes that tell us not to ignore the Old Testament. If they are also inspired by the devil, then the entire Bible is.

[Ignignokt]

NO, Jesus has spoken and His words are there for all to read.

Jesus told the roman soldiers "I AM". Does that mean that the "I AM" of the Old testament (Jehova) was lucifer and therefore Jesus Christ was lucifer incarnate?

NM, you're clinically retarded.

[JoeChalupa]

I find that I tend to know much more about Christianity and the Bible than most believers... sadly.

:tu I know enough that I believe in Jesus Christ. I'll be the first to admit I am no Biblical Scholar nor claim to be one. Oh yeah, and I have boring takes and enjoy a margarita.

[JoeChalupa]

You're pretty comfortable in your own language, Joe.:tu

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

[Ignignokt]

redzero, it will take me some time to dissect this. I promise you that I will, but my son and I have to goto Costco now.

God Bless you all and please continue to post your questions as I will do my best to post answers.

They don't sell ownage protectors at Costco, i've already checked for you. :depressed

[LARRY MERCHANT]

Bigzax......... is......... not....... giving ...... up.......... he........ returns......... after........ each ........ punch........ how .....long............... can..... he..... go ..on?


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/222-2.jpg

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

I'm actually pretty comfortable most of the time except when my diabetes makes me piss all night long.

[Ignignokt]

:sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep :sleep

Why do you have bronzed skin around your eyes joe?? is it schaffing from all the sleep you do from reading your own posts?

[JoeChalupa]

They don't sell ownage protectors at Costco, i've already checked for you. :depressed

Don't you mean "regulators"?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Death In June]

So Mouse, if man did not evolve, how did homo sapiens come into existence?Obvious reason for not believing in evolution: he doesn't understand it.

[JoeChalupa]

Why do you have bronzed skin around your eyes joe?? is it schaffing from all the sleep you do from reading your own posts?

I have sleep apnea remember?

[Ignignokt]

I did nothing of the kind. Saying Matt Bonner has choked in the playoffs thus far is not judging him. It's a statement of fact.

But you said it yourself that you are ignorant of those facts you speak of.

[redzero]

Too be honest, I think bigzak is trolling the shit out of us. I don't think he honestly believes he can just pick and choose which parts of the Bible are right because God has spoken to him.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

Don't you mean "regulators"?

That would be regulator protectors..from regulators like muah, breh.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Ignignokt]

Because I trust Jesus and I know Jesus.

Pfftttt!! :rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Ignignokt]

I am drug free. :tu

Since monday?

[JoeChalupa]

I am drug free. :tu

So am I. :tu

[Jekka]

Are you two believers now or not?

It is rather insulting to be judged by non-believers.

a) Not judging, just lighthearted mocking
b) Why does it matter if I'm a believer? Because if I'm not one then I must not be able to understand what believing in some bizarre selective version of Christianity feels like?

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

I'm just plain bizarre.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Stringer_Bell]

I'm still waiting for bigzak to respond to all of those New Testament quotes that tell us not to ignore the Old Testament. If they are also inspired by the devil, then the entire Bible is.

Not to intrude on whatever conversation is going on between all the people debating here, but as someone passing by and reading the interpretations of the Gospel that you posted...there's a lot of bullshit in there IMHO. Obviously, anyone can read whatever they want into it (that's half the fun!), but I think Raptor Jesus intended something quite different based on his actions in the New Testament and that post just smelt of a biased agenda on account of whoever bothered reading those versions of the bible.

No one's going to get it all right, devil or Christ inspired, it's all an approximation.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

Obvious reason for not believing in evolution: he doesn't understand it.

There's no point in trying to have a discussion with Mouse. He dodges questions all the time and makes himself look like an idiot.


Mouse tried to discredit the Big Bang Theory because a science fiction writer came up with the name "Big Bang Theory." Keep in mind that this science fiction writer came up with the name to mock the theory because he didn't actually believe it himself.

After coming to the logical conclusion that a scientific theory can't be true if a science fiction writer named it, Mouse thought he "owned" me.

Fuck it, read it yourself: http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155793&highlight=fred+hoyle&page=2

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Forever good buddy. When you are right, you're right....and Jesus, my Teacher, was and is right and forever shall be. :toast

So you are saying Jesus is in your corner? :tu

[redzero]

I am not ignorant of True Love and that is the most important part.

Aren't you supposed to be shopping right now? If not, tell me why we should disregard most of the Old Testament even thought the New Testament told us not to do so.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

And I do not believe I can pick and choose what parts of the Bible are right.

I believe I can read the bible clearly and see who was the inspiration behind the actions of the people in the Bible.

[JoeChalupa]

I am no troll. .

You are many trolls!! :lmao

Or are they all me? Good job my friend.

[DAF86]

It never fails.

[Emanuel Steward]

Bigzax with his back against the ropes is still trading blows at an astounding rate!


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/55-4.jpg

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[LARRY MERCHANT]

Big....zax......seems....to.....be...going.....toe ........to......toe....with...his......replies.... .I.....don't.....see........him.....giving....up.. ...any.....time......soon...

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/222-2.jpg

[Heath Ledger]

Http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com
Nuff' said.....

[Emanuel Steward]

Later Spurstalkers, I gotta go to Costco :tu

Bigzax pulls out the Costco card?

Down goes Jesus!

Down goes Jesus!


http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/RackTheMouse/55-4.jpg

[JIM LAMPLEY]

Only thing that would have made this better was if this was pray for view.

[LnGrrrR]

:tu I know enough that I believe in Jesus Christ. I'll be the first to admit I am no Biblical Scholar nor claim to be one. Oh yeah, and I have boring takes and enjoy a margarita.

That's cool with me, as long as you're not judging others using the words of the Bible. Although I do suggest you should read more into it someday. :)

[LnGrrrR]

Parts of the Bible preaching Love, inspired by God.

Parts of the Bible preaching Hate, inspired by Lucifer.

And what part does the "not eating shellfish" requirement come from?

[JoeChalupa]

That's cool with me, as long as you're not judging others using the words of the Bible. Although I do suggest you should read more into it someday. :)

I did belong to a Bible Study group years ago and I do listen to the scriptures during Mass on Sunday's. But I have found, as someone else posted, that people can read into it what they want. I just have never found that delving into the Bible was that crucial to my faith.

[LnGrrrR]

I am no troll. And I do not believe I can pick and choose what parts of the Bible are right. I believe I can read the bible clearly and see who was the inspiration behind the actions of the people in the Bible.

How humble of you.


The whole of the Bible is true as far as I'm concerned...with the one footnote being that Lucifer is posing as God in many instances in the Old Testament.

That's a rather large footnote.

[easjer]

This thread is FULL of WIN. None of it from bigzax, of course - not in the way he intended anyhow.

There are so many things I'd like to say, Zack, but I'll stick with this:

Jesus the Christ was not the perfect Christian; he was Jewish, quite proudly so.

You really, really need to stop talking. You are only doing your cause harm by your ridiculous statements and back-tracking and totally made-up nonsense. Half the stuff you claim to believe isn't biblical at all (leaving aside the issues with things that ARE biblical); it's exigent philosophies. For that matter, your understanding of Lucifer is pretty skewed as well and not really biblical.

Which makes me think perhaps this is simply a smashing troll job.

That said - Jekka, my offer to marry you (and Manny) stands. I would totally go polygamous and bi-sexual for you.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Phenomanul]

I don't feel I need justification for my unbelief. I am curious about what people believe, and why. I merely ask questions so that others may reflect on their beliefs and determine if they are held for valid reasons; that's not so wrong, is it?

There is no way of proving your comments' sincerity... so, were I to take them at face value, my response would be, "fair enough."



I'm ok with that, with one exception. Why would you punish people who didn't have faith with you? I could understand God saying, "Look, you didn't have faith in me, so you're not set up for Heaven." That's at least debatably fair. But I don't see the justification for eternal punishment.

Eternal life IS defined by coming to know GOD, and acknowledging JESUS' role in the defeat of sin according to John 17. Those who reject GOD are basically turning their back on that communion. GOD basically says, "this is your choice? To reject my Son? To reject the gift of salvation that was attained by spilling the blood of He who knew not sin? Since that is your choice, and your choice alone - now you must live with the consequences of that choice - eternally apart from me".

After all, if our free will wasn't paired along with the accountability for our choices, then what would be the point of having it? In other words, if we don't willingly choose GOD; we've essentially rejected Him. Consider this, the demons that decided to side with satan are no longer redeemable either.

Another thing, you might not see or understand "the justification for eternal punishment"... but we are not GOD, HE is. Our reasoning and His reasoning aren't even on the same footing.

[easjer]

But what are you praying to, man? This is a pretty bizarre thing you've constructed out of random passages of scripture and philosophies you don't understand.

It's just unreal. Seriously - there is no logic in this at all. None. There is no support for your wild claims - Lucifer poses as God in the OT? The OT is unnecessary, because there is a NT? You don't believe it, but you do?

The contradictions you've presented here are nearly as astounding as those contained in the bible, which utterly fails as a hermeneutical exercise, btw, because of the internal inconsistencies.

You aren't bringing glory to God. You are being judgmental and asinine. Only True Believers, as defined by your half-assed, unschooled, scripturally inaccurate ideas, understand love?

You are delusional.

You want to make a difference. Live your life well. Stop preaching on the internet - that is the opposite of humility. You are utterly filled with pride, and you don't even see it. In fact, you'll give some ridiculous answer to this that tries to turn it around and lays everything at God's feet.

Whatever.

[Ignignokt]

But what are you praying to, man? This is a pretty bizarre thing you've constructed out of random passages of scripture and philosophies you don't understand.

It's just unreal. Seriously - there is no logic in this at all. None. There is no support for your wild claims - Lucifer poses as God in the OT? The OT is unnecessary, because there is a NT? You don't believe it, but you do?

The contradictions you've presented here are nearly as astounding as those contained in the bible, which utterly fails as a hermeneutical exercise, btw, because of the internal inconsistencies.

You aren't bringing glory to God. You are being judgmental and asinine. Only True Believers, as defined by your half-assed, unschooled, scripturally inaccurate ideas, understand love?

You are delusional.

You want to make a difference. Live your life well. Stop preaching on the internet - that is the opposite of humility. You are utterly filled with pride, and you don't even see it. In fact, you'll give some ridiculous answer to this that tries to turn it around and lays everything at God's feet.

Whatever.

Bigzax has gotten chode bloated i saaaiiiiiiiiiiddddd!!!!

[Ignignokt]

Zach, seriously keep on making a fool of yourself.


thanx,

Your regulator

gtown

[Phenomanul]

Another thing... it appears bigzak has been trolling everyone for months (years, if one accounts for his flip-flopping ways... going way back)... but the concept that the GOD of the Old Testament and the New Testament are somehow different is erroneous without the context of the Covenants GOD established between Himself and mankind...

The New Covenant under the grace of Jesus' blood, protects us from facing the consequences of our actions as would otherwise be required if we were still under the Old Covenant (under the Law).

GOD is HOLY and still demands payment for our sin; JESUS thus established a bridge to the Father whereby we are covered by His blood and aren't subjected to the only valid form of payment: death.

GOD IS forever unchanging.... our accessability to Him, however, HAS changed by virtue of those covenants.

That right there is the concept people seem to conveniently ignore as they ramble on about the supposed inconsistencies in GOD's nature. Only they don't really care to understand. It makes them feel better to believe that GOD can't exist if that ambivalent nature were to hold any weight. To each their own...

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

C'mon Joe, I did not say that I do not post under other screen names. Only that I am no longer a troll, if I ever as one in the classic sense.

As you may or may not have known, I post as xxx, gatoloco, fatbeaner, triumph, Master Yoda, Lt. Dan, Mr. Miyagi, skywalker...the list goes on and on...:toast

Dang, that is a long list. :tu

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Jekka]

I don't know what hermeneutical means. You are smart, but are you wise?

I will pray for God to give you guidance that I am not qualified to give.

I have not been preaching. I have been discussing. Thanks for your advice though, I will take it to heart.

Rather judgmental, but maybe you have a point. I will check myself before I wreck myself. :tu

I think you may have some valid points. Thank-you and God Bless you. :toast

... if you made any sense here I'd say you were pretty patronizing. But you don't, really, so no harm done I guess!

However, that being said, what is this about your time here being "shorter than most"? Are you planning on going somewhere?

[Ignignokt]

The day you can regulate yourself is the day you can claim to regulate anyone else. That day has not come Ig.

That day has passed, I don't play nice anymore. I don't have patience for idiots.
You've been nothing but a judgemental prick here and at the same time I can only feel pity for you because you have been zosa'd throughout all this thread.

To be honest, I don't see in which way you're honoring the Lord. Blasphemy, Self Righteousness, and intellectual laziness is not the way to promote the kingdom.
You're probably going to say that you're going to pray for me. But honestly, i don't see how anyone is listening to your prayers. You've constructed a God out of your bias and your inclinations to fit your expectations, but he's not any God written in scripture.

Infact, the god you've constructed fits your ID and seems to tolerate your whims, your ignorance. The god you speak of is just a Cosmic Santa Clause who loves because love is the answer to all your shortcomings and logical missteps. Your god is basically your projections of your mind which are based off of nothing but nursery ryhmes and cheap hallmark declarations of spirituality. YOu don't even read the word of God, and you doubt it. If you have doubt of scripture, why not just be honest and question Jesus christ and his existence, or the validity of God?

Afterall human beings don't need lucifer to cause terror on this earth, man is already fallen to sin. Man is already biologically driven to choose death over life, to be whimsical, to think of the short term gain at the expense of the longterm gain, cheat, lie, and justify all in the name of self esteem. Why do we need a Ying and a yang, or opposing forces.

But you're not an intellectual or honest person. You'd rather be like that bumbling lazy Joe Chalupa and praise ignorance over truth seeking. You're not going to read the bible, you're just going to spout endless bromides you pull out of your ass and cast judgement from moral systems that you pulled from the same source you pulled your bromides.

So don't pray for me, or insult me with your kindness. Please take time and evaluate your contradictory existence which has caused you to cease to function properly, and is weighing you down. Face reality, and take responsibility for your own actions.

Every time you say anything to a non believer they are reminded of your foolishness in Dublin, and your temper tantrums. You have no basis on which to judge anybody, yet you do and you did.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[JoeChalupa]

Bigzak, I know you have a good heart my friend. :tu I keep my faith, for the most part, to myself because I know that I am not a Biblical scholar and can be schooled by many on scripture. I don't profess to understand or know Canon Law of the Catholic Church I just know what I believe and I leave it at that. And even though I am a sinner I still do my best to teach my children what is right and wrong as I see it. Yes, the do as I say and not as I do, thought is hypocritical but it doesn't mean that parents who have made wrong decisions in their pasts should not talk to their kids about what is right and wrong but rather use their past indiscretions and a teaching tool. Some have said I have no right talking about morality and they do have a valid point but I also know many past convicts, drug addicts and what not take what the bad they have done and turn it into good for others.
I've taken a lot of criticism for my faith, not to mention my boring posts which is getting old, but that isn't going to keep me from posting my opinions and view points on subjects that interest me.
I know you are busy with your new born son but we do need to GTG some time for a few laughs. God bless.

[JoeChalupa]

JoeChalupa.

Mouse.

ScoobyDoo

First Comic Sitting

:lol :tu

[Ignignokt]

I am not certain, but I feel that God has a higher calling for me and that I will not see the year 2013 on earth. I have cried a bit about it this morning as I will miss my family, but I am accepting my destiny if it is in fact what I believe it to be.

As for Spurstalk, I plan for tonight to be my last night posting here. I know many are eye rolling at that statement because "no one ever leaves"...but I feel my work here is done and that it is time for me to move on and not look back. Midnight is what I feel is appropriate. So if I don't get to say it later, God Bless you all, and know that I truly do love you all.

And I do think the Spurs win the Championship this year and Redskins too! :lol

But that's just the sports fan in me talking I suppose. :toast

Dude. seek some counseling. IF this is not a medical problem, which i wish you the best to recover, you need some counseling hardcore.

[Leetonidas]

There is no God. This I am 100% sure of.

Now you can all stop arguing.

[Ignignokt]

Bigzak, I know you have a good heart my friend. :tu I keep my faith, for the most part, to myself because I know that I am not a Biblical scholar and can be schooled by many on scripture. I don't profess to understand or know Canon Law of the Catholic Church I just know what I believe and I leave it at that. And even though I am a sinner I still do my best to teach my children what is right and wrong as I see it. Yes, the do as I say and not as I do, thought is hypocritical but it doesn't mean that parents who have made wrong decisions in their pasts should not talk to their kids about what is right and wrong but rather use their past indiscretions and a teaching tool. Some have said I have no right talking about morality and they do have a valid point but I also know many past convicts, drug addicts and what not take what the bad they have done and turn it into good for others.
I've taken a lot of criticism for my faith, not to mention my boring posts which is getting old, but that isn't going to keep me from posting my opinions and view points on subjects that interest me.
I know you are busy with your new born son but we do need to GTG some time for a few laughs. God bless.

You just have boring posts. That's fixable. Just post shakira gifs.

[Ignignokt]

There is no God. This I am 100% sure of.

Now you can all stop arguing.

Good for you, he won't have to judge your faggot ass.

[JoeChalupa]

That day has passed, I don't play nice anymore. I don't have patience for idiots.
You've been nothing but a judgemental prick here and at the same time I can only feel pity for you because you have been zosa'd throughout all this thread.

To be honest, I don't see in which way you're honoring the Lord. Blasphemy, Self Righteousness, and intellectual laziness is not the way to promote the kingdom.
You're probably going to say that you're going to pray for me. But honestly, i don't see how anyone is listening to your prayers. You've constructed a God out of your bias and your inclinations to fit your expectations, but he's not any God written in scripture.

Infact, the god you've constructed fits your ID and seems to tolerate your whims, your ignorance. The god you speak of is just a Cosmic Santa Clause who loves because love is the answer to all your shortcomings and logical missteps. Your god is basically your projections of your mind which are based off of nothing but nursery ryhmes and cheap hallmark declarations of spirituality. YOu don't even read the word of God, and you doubt it. If you have doubt of scripture, why not just be honest and question Jesus christ and his existence, or the validity of God?

Afterall human beings don't need lucifer to cause terror on this earth, man is already fallen to sin. Man is already biologically driven to choose death over life, to be whimsical, to think of the short term gain at the expense of the longterm gain, cheat, lie, and justify all in the name of self esteem. Why do we need a Ying and a yang, or opposing forces.

But you're not an intellectual or honest person. You'd rather be like that bumbling lazy Joe Chalupa and praise ignorance over truth seeking. You're not going to read the bible, you're just going to spout endless bromides you pull out of your ass and cast judgement from moral systems that you pulled from the same source you pulled your bromides.

So don't pray for me, or insult me with your kindness. Please take time and evaluate your contradictory existence which has caused you to cease to function properly, and is weighing you down. Face reality, and take responsibility for your own actions.

Every time you say anything to a non believer they are reminded of your foolishness in Dublin, and your temper tantrums. You have no basis on which to judge anybody, yet you do and you did.

You see what I mean Bigzak? :sleep Remarks like this don't bother me enough to change the way I post. I am who I am and I'm stickin' to it.

[Leetonidas]

And BigZak I hope you're just trolling everyone because that 2012 shit is complete BS. Nowhere in the Mayan history does it say the world is going to end. There is nothing happening on that day in 2012.

I know some of you guys will think this is government bullshit, but take a look, because this 2012 shit started like a rumor that just grew and grew into some completely different shit than it started out as.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012.html

[JoeChalupa]

You just have boring posts. That's fixable. Just post shakira gifs.

Yet you still respond. :lol Why fix what is not broken?

[Ignignokt]

You see what I mean Bigzak? :sleep Remarks like this don't bother me enough to change the way I post. I am who I am and I'm stickin' to it.

Why try to change, when you were made to suck, amirite???

[Ignignokt]

Yet you still respond. :lol Why fix what is not broken?

I don't think you can fix, my solution was for you to post less. You're actually a lost cause.

[JoeChalupa]

Why try to change, when you were made to suck, amirite???

And yet where ever my boring posts are.....there you are. amiwrong?

[JoeChalupa]

I don't think you can fix, my solution was for you to post less. You're actually a lost cause.

Yet a cause you see worthy of following.

[DoubtingThomas]

Interesting thread.

[Ignignokt]

Yet a cause you see worthy of following.

This is what i'm talking about.
I'm not pathetic in that i seek validation because my opponent responds to me.

[Ignignokt]

And yet where ever my boring posts are.....there you are. amiwrong?

Just regulatin, don't try to elevate yourself because of my prescence, you're pathetic.

[easjer]

I am not certain, but I feel that God has a higher calling for me and that I will not see the year 2013 on earth. I have cried a bit about it this morning as I will miss my family, but I am accepting my destiny if it is in fact what I believe it to be.

As for Spurstalk, I plan for tonight to be my last night posting here. I know many are eye rolling at that statement because "no one ever leaves"...but I feel my work here is done and that it is time for me to move on and not look back. Midnight is what I feel is appropriate. So if I don't get to say it later, God Bless you all, and know that I truly do love you all.


You've got serious issues, dude.

If this isn't simply an amazingly thorough, longterm troll-job, then I truly do feel sorry for your wife and kids.

Perhaps you should consider smoking pot again.

Honest to god, I would feel a lot better about your poor kids if you've been trolling the shit of us for months now.

[JoeChalupa]

Just regulatin, don't try to elevate yourself because of my prescence, you're pathetic.

So pathetic that you respond. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

You've got serious issues, dude.

If this isn't simply an amazingly thorough, longterm troll-job, then I truly do feel sorry for your wife and kids.

Perhaps you should consider smoking pot again.

Honest to god, I would feel a lot better about your poor kids if you've been trolling the shit of us for months now.

That about sums it up.

[JoeChalupa]

This is what i'm talking about.
I'm not pathetic in that i seek validation because my opponent responds to me.

That is where you are wrong for I don't see you as an opponent at all. Not even close.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[MannyIsGod]

You're on the crazy train.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[Leetonidas]

But doesn't the Bible (or Jesus) say that NO ONE knows the date of his return/the end, only God?

[oh crap]

Leetonidas, I feel that the date is symbolic of us entering the age of enlightenment. I do feel the world as we know it is going to end one day, but I do not know that day or year...and I will say that when that day comes, it will be a glorious day, for the world as we know it currently, sucks, and I for one, look forward to it's end.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/auciker/PhilCrazy.jpg

[JoeChalupa]

You are a good man with a good heart in my opinion Joe, and I think we all see that you truly love your children. Keep fighting the good fight, keep walking the good path and getting closer to Jesus. I love you man.

And yeah man, a GTG or whatever is fine with me. I no longer drink alcohol but I have been known to get crazy and order a Sprite from time to time. :lol

Soungs good. I had a few beers on Saturday on a date day with the wife but hadn't had a drink since I stopped smoking.

Time to hit the bricks.

[Phenomanul]

Jesus would not bestow plagues on the Egyptians. Jesus would love his neighbor as Himself.

Jesus would not collapse the walls of the Red Sea on the Egyptians to kill them. Thou shalt not kill.

Jesus staff would not turn into a Serpent, but perhaps a Dove. The serpent is symbolic of the deceiver.

"For GOD so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son. That whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For I have not come to condemn the world, but that the world may be saved through me." - JESUS

Clearly, JESUS already extended salvation to humanity. His act of redemption, and His triumph over death occurred in the past, "once and for all eternity"... we simply have to believe and acknowledge it.

That said, read about what JESUS will do to those that don't believe in the book of Revelations (last book of the New Testament).

Jesus will say, "I do not know you. Apart from me!"

Jesus is described as having a sword in his mouth, and radiant blazing eyes like the sun. He will wreck destructive havoc on the enemy.

He will defeat satan once and for all, and cast him and all his followers to the lake of fire...

Again, RIGHT NOW, this very moment, we are living under the grace of the New Covenant. But GOD is Righteous and Holy. Sin will be dealt with accordingly because GOD's attributes demand as much.

Besides, Lucifer couldn't have orchestrated the Israelite's exodus out of Egypt... He had no idea about GOD's redemptive plan, how or when it would unfold. The mesianic template (archetype) left by the exodus events, mimic what JESUS eventually fulfilled in the New Testament. There's no way one can believe that satan would mimic GOD's eventual plan - when he couldn't have known its details (so many I don't even have the time to explain them fully).

Just come to terms with the reality that GOD exacts justice as He sees fit. Unfortunately, for many of those that lived before JESUS' earthly lifespan, those that lived during the time of the Old Covenant, they managed to see GOD's justice up close and personal.

[leemajors]

Jesus would not bestow plagues on the Egyptians. Jesus would love his neighbor as Himself.

Jesus would not collapse the walls of the Red Sea on the Egyptians to kill them. Thou shalt not kill.

Jesus staff would not turn into a Serpent, but perhaps a Dove. The serpent is symbolic of the deceiver.

So know the Ten Commandments apply to Jah as well. The All Powerful has been bound by his rules for man.

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[bigzak25]

This is my last post and I'd just like to say it has been a pleasure and an honor to meet and talk with so many of you, even if only through a keyboard.

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[clambake]

bravo, sac. you got phenom to a full blown chant.

props.

[silverblk mystix]

Big Zak

You got pwned so bad and then you quit...:lmao

I stated the truth on page 1 and then got pretty busy...

I came back to see that this thread was 17 pages long and on most of those you looked like a complete idiot....and were outclassed..

but then for you to give up AFTER judging those who ---

were NOT ---

TRUE CHRISTIANS :lmao:lmao

well, my friend you went out with a whimper :lmao

I will leave YOU with this for you to ponder;

The ONLY thing that made JESUS different had nothing to do with sin, salvation, heaven,hell,blah,blah.....

it was that he was AWAKE

that is it

HE WAS AWAKE


and THAT

is what this is all about


NOT: repentance, rewards,punishment, heaven,hell,satan.ad nauseum

it is to be awake,

because one is incapable of evil when one is awake

sinners or whatever you want to call them only commit evil when they are asleep---when they don't know---NOT in awareness

that is what is meant by ...forgive them for they know not what they do...

it was because they were not yet awake

and jesus was

you QUIT

when you claimed to be some kind of an agent


then you QUIT :lmao

[redzero]

So bigzak, do you accept slavery or not?

[Insomniac]

Didn't think bigzak was the quitting kind.

[mouse]

Bigzax is not going anywhere, what part of Bi-polar do you guys not get?

Also last time I checked a person can worship anyone or anything they choose and can interpret the bible or God as he or she sees fit. If Bigzax wants to think Jesus preferred boxers over briefs that's his right.

Those of you who seem to know a lot don't seem to know enough not to debate with Bigzax about the Bible in the first place so who is really the misinformed ones here?

[redzero]

so who is really the misinformed ones here?

You and bigzak.

[Leetonidas]

Bigzax is not going anywhere, what part of Bi-polar do you guys not get?

Also last time I checked a person can worship anyone or anything they choose and can interpret the bible or God as he or she sees fit. If Bigzax wants to think Jesus preferred boxers over briefs that's his right.

Those of you who seem to know a lot don't seem to know enough not to debate with Bigzax about the Bible in the first place so who is really the misinformed ones here?

Debating over fictional books isn't very entertaining

[Bipolar Bob]

Debating over fictional books isn't very entertaining

Neither is debating over fictional movies but it happens all the time. Not to worry, bigzaks will return in 3 days.

[J.T.]

http://i36.tinypic.com/w2elw7.jpg

[TimothyLeary]

http://i36.tinypic.com/w2elw7.jpg

:lmao you are a trip jt.

[mouse]

You and bigzak.

How can we be we followed your gay brownie recipe to the letter.

[redzero]

How can we be we followed your brownie recipe to the letter.

It isn't "my" brownie recipe; it's the people's brownie recipe.

[lefty]

It isn't "my" brownie recipe; it's the people's brownie recipe.
Why did you remove "gay" from the quote ?

[Leetonidas]

http://i36.tinypic.com/w2elw7.jpg

It's kinda ironic, considering one of the ways religion grew was through the human experimentation with psychedelic plants/fruits/whatever, making them trip balls and have "religious/spiritual experiences."

It's all peyote and shrooms, imo.

[Jesus]

“If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them gets lost, what will he do? Won’t he leave the ninety-nine others in the wilderness and go to search for the one that is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he will joyfully carry it home on his shoulders. When he arrives, he will call together his friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me because I have found my lost sheep."

Bigzak, my son, I am with you.

[Jesus]

It's kinda ironic, considering one of the ways religion grew was through the human experimentation with psychedelic plants/fruits/whatever, making them trip balls and have "religious/spiritual experiences."

It's all peyote and shrooms, imo.

You young doubters. :nope

[redzero]

Why did you remove "gay" from the quote ?

I didn't.

Looks like Mouse retroactively put that in there.

[Shelly]

Zak--

1) Do you talk regularly with a preacher, minister, priest, revererend, or whatever? If not, (and it sounds like you don't) you probably should.

2) Is Wifey on board with your philosiphies? Are you preaching to her constantly? Because I'm starting to envision you becoming like the mom in 'Carrie'.

[Leetonidas]

I like BZ but damn brah, this is the kinda shit that ends with the headline on the news "local man kills family and self to ascend to heaven because Jesus told him to"

[JoeChalupa]

Bigzaks is good people and I wish him nothing but the best. I do hope he is talking to someone though as Shelly stated.

[easjer]

I like BZ but damn brah, this is the kinda shit that ends with the headline on the news "local man kills family and self to ascend to heaven because Jesus told him to"

You are definitely not the only person to have that thought.

[silverblk mystix]

“If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them gets lost, what will he do? Won’t he leave the ninety-nine others in the wilderness and go to search for the one that is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he will joyfully carry it home on his shoulders. When he arrives, he will call together his friends and neighbors, saying, ‘Rejoice with me because I have found my lost sheep."

Bigzak, my son, I am with you.

...and then you kill the lamb...and call it a sacrifice...and eat it and call it something else....

but all is good in the name of god...

[CavsSuperFan]

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth"

Face it folks, all of us are going to be working for Big Zak one day...

[redzero]

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth"

Face it folks, all of us are going to be working for Big Zak one day...

Nah, I say that Lucifer inspired that line. We shouldn't follow it.

[DarkReign]

dl3fdkbjdCA

[bigzak25]

This post is to proclaim what everyone already knows.

My word means nothing.

Only the words of Jesus are infallible.

I have asked Kori before to delete my accounts.

bigzak25
bigzax
bigzak

and even MasterYoda, as I was never worthy to post as that troll.

She has her own reasons for not doing so as of yet, but I submit the request once more as humbly as I can do so.

I am not stopping posting at Spurstalk because I want to prove a point.

I have no points to prove.

I am stopping because my wife wants me to and I want to respect her wishes.

I am stopping because I have nothing left to say here that has any meaning, not that anything I ever said had any meaning to begin with.

I am stopping because I no longer really care whether the Spurs win or lose.

I am stopping because, while for so long I saw this site as a family, I now realize that it is nothing of the kind.

It is difficult to walk away and not look back because I mean what I say when I say I love you.

But I love God and Jesus more.

I want to hug my true family, and I will no longer waste time trying to hug a virtual one.

With Love,

lil sac. :toast

[oh crap]

well that lasted all of 27 hours.

[Y0DA]

well that lasted all of 27 hours.

Keep out of the dark side, he cannot not.

[LnGrrrR]

There is no way of proving your comments' sincerity... so, were I to take them at face value, my response would be, "fair enough."

Thanks. I think that everyone should examine their beliefs deeply. (The important ones, of course. I'm not expecting anyone to reflect greatly on why they believe Mountain Dew is better than Coca-Cola.)


Eternal life IS defined by coming to know GOD, and acknowledging JESUS' role in the defeat of sin according to John 17. Those who reject GOD are basically turning their back on that communion. GOD basically says, "this is your choice? To reject my Son? To reject the gift of salvation that was attained by spilling the blood of He who knew not sin? Since that is your choice, and your choice alone - now you must live with the consequences of that choice - eternally apart from me".

But "apart from me" isn't quite the same as Hell is usually depicted. If God is perfect, and our creator, I would assume that what is generally "moral" for humanity is moral for God. If I were to give a gift to someone, and they rejected it, it would be moral, of course, for me to decide to cut ties with them. We would not consider it moral, however, to punish someone for not accepting a gift. Agreed?


Another thing, you might not see or understand "the justification for eternal punishment"... but we are not GOD, HE is. Our reasoning and His reasoning aren't even on the same footing.

Yes, but with a statement like this, how can you justify his actions? If we can not "know his ways" as it were, then how can anyone say what is justified and what is not?

I believe in a system of morality based on rationality and liberty. Many of the Ten Commandments follow these guidelines, as did Jesus. But if God allows for slavery, punishes far greater than one would expect, etc etc, how can these actions be moral in any sense other than "It's God, so it's different"?

[Ignignokt]

This post is to proclaim what everyone already knows.

My word means nothing.

Only the words of Jesus are infallible.

I have asked Kori before to delete my accounts.

bigzak25
bigzax
bigzak

and even MasterYoda, as I was never worthy to post as that troll.

She has her own reasons for not doing so as of yet, but I submit the request once more as humbly as I can do so.

I am not stopping posting at Spurstalk because I want to prove a point.

I have no points to prove.

I am stopping because my wife wants me to and I want to respect her wishes.

I am stopping because I have nothing left to say here that has any meaning, not that anything I ever said had any meaning to begin with.

I am stopping because I no longer really care whether the Spurs win or lose.

I am stopping because, while for so long I saw this site as a family, I now realize that it is nothing of the kind.

It is difficult to walk away and not look back because I mean what I say when I say I love you.

But I love God and Jesus more.

I want to hug my true family, and I will no longer waste time trying to hug a virtual one.

With Love,

lil sac. :toast


Good Gawd:rolleyes

Own up to your mistakes and your ignorance. You opened your big trap and you got shut down here. You came out as an arrogant judgemental prick and now you're crying for victim status.

I have no pity for you, you're pathetic. And you should have always held your real family above your virtual one. You didn't get scoffed because people here are big meanies, but because of the consequences of your arrogance and your condescencion.

If you do leave, good riddance. This wasn't much of a debate or a discussion of ideas. This was some bible thumper acting typical, yet not to knowledgeable about the bible, rules of logic, or anything outside of tasks that only require muscle memory.

You can stay, you can leave. You can grow a thick skin, or you can be so sentimental and weak and scurry away like a dog with his tail tucked between his legs.

[ClintSquint]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/clintsquint/leavalone.jpg

[silverblk mystix]

:lmao:lmaothe wife ordered him to quit spurstalk...

the wife ordered him to stop toking...watching sports in bars...drinking...


the wife got him brainwashed on the bible...

sounds like TRUE LOVE to me...:lmao:lmao

[gatoloco]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[gatoloco]

sounds like TRUE LOVE to me.

:toast

[Amarelooms]

what a douche bag this idiot OP is....saying the same stupid ass line all over this thread. Fuck you dummy.....nothing I hate more than blind ass ignorant religious people.

:elephant

[xXx]

nothing I hate more than blind ass ignorant religious people.


the fact that you hate is the reason why you don't understand. :toast

[redzero]

Bigzak is a dedicated troll.

[man on wire]

Bigzak is a dedicated troll.

about time you all figured that out :lmao

[Venti Quattro]

how many contradictions are on the Bible?

[xXx]

how many contradictions are on the Bible?

Matthew 5
The Sermon on the Mount

1 One day as he saw the crowds gathering, Jesus went up on the mountainside and sat down. His disciples gathered around him, 2 and he began to teach them.
(http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Matthew+5&book_id=47&version1=51&tp=28&c=5)

[Ignignokt]

Matthew 5
The Sermon on the Mount

1 One day as he saw the crowds gathering, Jesus went up on the mountainside and sat down. His disciples gathered around him, 2 and he began to teach them.
(http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults2.php?passage1=Matthew+5&book_id=47&version1=51&tp=28&c=5)

what's the contradiction here?

[Blake]

how many contradictions are on the Bible?

the awesome thing about the Bible is that almost anyone can spin it in any number of ways.

There are anywhere from none to greater than 100 depending on who you ask.

[redzero]

There are anywhere from none to greater than 100 depending on whom you ask.

[Blake]

I can start with one in Genesis:

Genesis 1:31 (New International Version)

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.


Genesis 6:6

6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.



It sure didn't take God long to realize he screwed up.

[redzero]

If one really wants to know how many contradictions are in the Bible, google it.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

There are several on the first page of the search results.

[Blake]

I'm a grammar nazi.

Depending on whom you ask, the use of the word who in this instance is acceptable in casual conversation.

[easjer]

One need not look terribly far into it - the mere fact that multiple translations exist is evidence of the fact that there are issues.

Just compare translations - the word choice the translator uses influences the context and meaning of the sentence, sometimes in profound ways.

Like that favorite passage at weddings? I Corinthians 13? The great 'love is' passage?

The original English translation was Charity. And it is perhaps a better word choice from the original language. But there is a difference in meanings between charity and love.

Because love used in this passage could mean something entirely different from love used in another passage.

It's always, always worth remembering that the Bible is a translated work and it is translated by man. Leaving all the compilation (political image crafting) aside - that should make one wary of over-reliance on the Bible.

[xXx]

Bigzak is a dedicated troll.


Please define troll from your point of view.

[xXx]

what's the contradiction here?


There is no contradiction.

[redzero]

Depending on whom you ask, the use of the word who in this instance is acceptable in casual conversation.

It just bugs me when people forget to use "whom," man. It's right up there with "your" instead of "you're."

[xXx]

I can start with one in Genesis:

Genesis 1:31 (New International Version)

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.


Genesis 6:6

6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain.



It sure didn't take God long to realize he screwed up.



There is no contradiction.

[xXx]

One need not look terribly far into it - the mere fact that multiple translations exist is evidence of the fact that there are issues.

Just compare translations - the word choice the translator uses influences the context and meaning of the sentence, sometimes in profound ways.

Like that favorite passage at weddings? I Corinthians 13? The great 'love is' passage?

The original English translation was Charity. And it is perhaps a better word choice from the original language. But there is a difference in meanings between charity and love.

Because love used in this passage could mean something entirely different from love used in another passage.

It's always, always worth remembering that the Bible is a translated work and it is translated by man. Leaving all the compilation (political image crafting) aside - that should make one wary of over-reliance on the Bible.


What is the difference between charity and love easjer?

[silverblk mystix]

so it appears that XXX is also

Big Zak

who is also

Big Zak25

who is also....

fuck it

what is the difference between trolls?

[xXx]

so it appears that XXX is also

Big Zak

who is also

Big Zak25

who is also....

fuck it

what is the difference between trolls?


Please define troll from your point of view.

[redzero]

So, bigzak, is slavery okay?

[IronMexican]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/4/45270/1253930-this_thread_again_super.jpg

[xXx]

So, bigzak, is slavery okay?



physical or spiritual?

[xXx]

May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace. :toast

[redzero]

physical or spiritual?

Physical.

[xXx]

Physical.


Thank-you.

Now please define what you mean by "okay".

[clambake]

lol just say no.

[redzero]

Thank-you.

Now please define what you mean by "okay".

Does the idea of physical slavery upset you?