Repug majority nutters and Obama's Muslimism

[boutons_deux]

Poll: Majority Of GOP Believes Obama Sympathizes With Islamic Fundamentalism, Wants Worldwide Islamic Law


A majority of Republicans believe that President Barack Obama "sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic law around the world," according to a survey released on Monday.

That figure, buried at the very end of a newly released Newsweek public opinion poll, reflects the extent to which a shocking bit of smear and misinformation has managed to become nearly commonplace within the GOP tent.

A full 14 percent of Republicans said that it was "definitely true" that Obama sympathized with the fundamentalists and wanted to impose Islamic law across the globe. An additional 38 percent said that it was probably true -- bringing the total percentage of believers to 52 percent. Only 33 percent of Republicans said that the "allegation" (as Newsweek put it) was "probably not true." Seven percent said it was "definitely not true." The rest (eight percent) either didn't know the answer or didn't read the question.

The Newsweek findings add more kindling to the already-heated debate raging around the persistent rumors that Obama is a closeted Muslim (he's not). In an illustration of just how deeply news outlets have been drawn to the topic, the magazine devoted seven of its 24 questions to Muslim-themed topics, producing, in the process, a number of telling and newsworthy numbers.

Fifty-nine percent of Republicans, for instance, said they believed the president favored "the interests of Muslims over other groups of Americans," while only 34 percent of said he had been "generally even handed" in his approach. In contrast, nine percent of Democrats said Obama favored "the interests of Muslims over other groups of Americans" while 82 percent of Democrats said he had been even-handed.

On a more uplifting front, 16 percent of all respondents said they had a very favorable view of Muslims while 45 percent said they had a "mostly favorable" view -- the highest and second highest totals recorded for those answers in the survey's history, respectively.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/obama-islamic-fundamentalist-gop-polled-majority-says_n_699883.html?view=print

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And these ignorant, confused Repug assholes are going to vote in what kind of politicians? Ignorant, lying Repug politicians.

[LnGrrrR]

Wow... that's pretty insane if the question was worded correctly.

[Darrin]

I've solved the immigration problem! We'll we out the ignorant! We need to have an anti-ignorance test and if you don't pass, you are deported to Mexico. Go hold your ideals as immigrants. That includes the politicans. If a politican says something 3 times in public and it can be proven, it should be considered what he considers the truth.

[ChumpDumper]

Wow... that's pretty insane if the question was worded correctly.I'll let TeyshaBlue verify it for me.

[Nbadan]

Fifty-nine percent of Republicans, for instance, said they believed the president favored "the interests of Muslims over other groups of Americans,"

I'm not sure how you can word that any differently....none-the-less it helps to prove that wing-nut aren't held together by ideology anymore, just conspiracy theories...

[TeyshaBlue]

I'll let TeyshaBlue verify it for me.

I'm on it.:lol

So far, it looks pretty grim for the OP as the results appear to be very construed.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm not sure how you can word that any differently....none-the-less it helps to prove that wing-nut aren't held together by ideology anymore, just conspiracy theories...



After reviewing the survey/poll, I found no instance whatsoever of this 59% figure that Huffpo is trotting out.

[TeyshaBlue]

Ah hell, there's two polls referenced in the Newsweek article that Huffpo is cribbing from. I was looking at the Pew Inst. Poll.

Now I'm reveiwing the Princeton Survey Research Associates International poll.

+/- 6.5 points?:wow

[TeyshaBlue]

Poll: Majority Of GOP Believes Obama Sympathizes With Islamic Fundamentalism, Wants Worldwide Islamic Law


A majority of Republicans believe that President Barack Obama "sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic law around the world," according to a survey released on Monday.

That figure, buried at the very end of a newly released Newsweek public opinion poll, reflects the extent to which a shocking bit of smear and misinformation has managed to become nearly commonplace within the GOP tent.

A full 14 percent of Republicans said that it was "definitely true" that Obama sympathized with the fundamentalists and wanted to impose Islamic law across the globe. An additional 38 percent said that it was probably true -- bringing the total percentage of believers to 52 percent. Only 33 percent of Republicans said that the "allegation" (as Newsweek put it) was "probably not true." Seven percent said it was "definitely not true." The rest (eight percent) either didn't know the answer or didn't read the question.

The Newsweek findings add more kindling to the already-heated debate raging around the persistent rumors that Obama is a closeted Muslim (he's not). In an illustration of just how deeply news outlets have been drawn to the topic, the magazine devoted seven of its 24 questions to Muslim-themed topics, producing, in the process, a number of telling and newsworthy numbers.

Fifty-nine percent of Republicans, for instance, said they believed the president favored "the interests of Muslims over other groups of Americans," while only 34 percent of said he had been "generally even handed" in his approach. In contrast, nine percent of Democrats said Obama favored "the interests of Muslims over other groups of Americans" while 82 percent of Democrats said he had been even-handed.

On a more uplifting front, 16 percent of all respondents said they had a very favorable view of Muslims while 45 percent said they had a "mostly favorable" view -- the highest and second highest totals recorded for those answers in the survey's history, respectively.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/obama-islamic-fundamentalist-gop-polled-majority-says_n_699883.html?view=print

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And these ignorant, confused Repug assholes are going to vote in what kind of politicians? Ignorant, lying Repug politicians.

You are the mirror image of what you despise. You fall for every, single tidbit of quasi-information that will somehow validate your almost pathalogical hatred of Conservatism without bothering to even give it a cursory examination.

As I suspected, the results are very construed.

For example: A full 14 percent of Republicans said that it was "definitely true" that Obama sympathized with the fundamentalists and wanted to impose Islamic law across the globe. An additional 38 percent said that it was probably true -- bringing the total percentage of believers to 52 percent. makes no mention of the +/-6.5 point MOE. :lmao


Another glaring example is the question quoted "the interests of Muslims over other groups of Americans," while only 34 percent of said he had been "generally even handed" in his approach." would lead you to believe that 59% of Republicans think that President Obama sides with Muslims over Americans, period. The question is actually: "Thinking about Barack Obama and what he has said about issues like the proposal to build an Islamic cultural center and mosque a few blocks from the World Trade Center site in New York City… Do you think Obama favors the interests of Muslim Americans over other groups of Americans, or do you think he has generally been even-handed?"

The question was specifically couched within the context (provided by the survey group no less) of the 9/11 Cultural Center brouhaha. 59% of Republicans believe President Obama favors the interests of Muslim Americans over other groups of Americans as regards this issue. To extrapolate this farther, more questions needed to be asked, which didn't happen.
Personally, I think that 59% is wrong. However, depending upon their interpretation of the question, I can understand their vote.

The leading statement: "A full 14 percent of Republicans said that it was "definitely true" that Obama sympathized with the fundamentalists and wanted to impose Islamic law across the globe. An additional 38 percent said that it was probably true -- bringing the total percentage of believers to 52 percent. Only 33 percent of Republicans said that the "allegation" (as Newsweek put it) was "probably not true." Seven percent said it was "definitely not true." The rest (eight percent) either didn't know the answer or didn't read the question." is equally disingenuous.
Here's the answer they didn't show:

36 Probably not true Rep33%, Dem 37%, Ind. 37%

The question is also very poorly composed.
Some people have alleged that Barack Obama sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic law around the world. From what you know about Obama, what is your opinion of these allegations? Do you think they are…

Some people? Allegations? These are they types of descriptors that prompt particular behaviors. Some people is a soft target. We all agree with some people some of the time. Allegations often invokes images of legal system and legal structures...much different than "Rumors".

Suppose the descriptor "Some people" was left off and allegations are removed from the question and the question is simply stripped down to: Barack Obama sympathizes with the goals of Islamic fundamentalists who want to impose Islamic law around the world.
What do you suspect the answers would look like then? Probaly very similar to the Pew Institutes poll conducted in July.
http://people-press.org/report/645/

Here's the poll...read for yourself.
http://nw-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/pdf/1004-ftop.pdf


Contrast the way the questions are asked in both polls. Notice that Pew's are clean and concise, with no open ended descriptors like "Some People" nor ID labels like "Allegations". Also notice that the results overall of the Pew and the Princeton don't exacltly jive.

Wonder why that is.:rolleyes

[CosmicCowboy]

Pretty small sample too.

I definitely thought the question was slanted.

[boutons_deux]

Screw percentages.

Anybody, any percentage, Repug or other, who "believes" (as in fantasy land, like Bible-thumpers) Magic Negro is a foreigner, or a Muslim, or that he wants or sympathizes with world-wide Muslim/Sharia domination is fucking nutcase.

It's very clear from any poll that insane percentages of Repugs and similar right-wing ilk believe one or all of the above.

[TeyshaBlue]

Screw facts.

fify:rolleyes

It's very clear from your post that your Oscar is missing it's Meyer.

[Spurminator]

So they added the margin of error to the percentage to come to the 59%? How stupid. Why even do that? Is 52% not a compelling enough number?

[boutons_deux]

I didn't say "screw facts", you did. so STFU

[TeyshaBlue]

I didn't say "screw facts", you did. so STFU

Defend your OP and it's idiotic massaging of the poll results or you can kindly STFU.:lmao

[boutons_deux]

No matter what the percentages are, there are definitely Repugs who believe these fantasies. the defense rests.

Go twiddle around with +/- errors and question phrasing.

[TeyshaBlue]

No matter what the percentages are, there are definitely Repugs who believe these fantasies. the defense rests.

Go twiddle around with +/- errors and question phrasing.

Nobody claims there aren't. Newsflash...there are Dems who believe this too.

What you did was make several false claims, by proxy, then backpeddle furiously when you got called on it. It's ok. I realize you're wrong even if you can't.

[Wild Cobra]

After reviewing the survey/poll, I found no instance whatsoever of this 59% figure that Huffpo is trotting out.
Yep, it's 52%. Doesn't matter. Most of us sympathize with people we disagree with. The 59% is "Favors the interests of Muslims."

Besides. I would answer "Definitely true," just for shits~n~grins. I hate pollsters, and I like playing games with them.

Then again, it is the huff~n~puff post.

[jack sommerset]

I wonder if the remodeling at the White House includes the installation of some prayer rugs.

[DarrinS]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a Muslim, so why does the left act like this is an insult of the highest magnitude?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jvX5O8q3Rb_5xM:http://www.dohomerepair.com/barack-obama-muslim/images/obama-muslim.jpg&t=1

[clambake]

lol darrins reaffirming his birther status.

[boutons_deux]

"why does the left act like this is an insult of the highest magnitude"

because in the mouths of the Repugs, Christian supremacists, and other insanes, it IS an insult of the highest magnitude, along with he's black, he's a foreigner, he's a terrorist/sympathisizer, not a native-born citizen, etc, etc.

[DarrinS]

Well, if listening to 20 years of radical black seperatist theology has no influence on him, I doubt any radical imam could.


Probably doesn't help when he has Freudian slips.


bMUgNg7aD8M

[clambake]

birther

[TeyshaBlue]

Well, if listening to 20 years of radical black seperatist theology has no influence on him, I doubt any radical imam could.


Probably doesn't help when he has Freudian slips.


bMUgNg7aD8M

I noticed you couldn't bring yourself to post the clip in context. Here, let me demonstrate intellectual honesty. Take notes.
iQqIpdBOg6I

[TeyshaBlue]

btw, snopes called. They say you've lost your mind.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp

[DarrinS]

You guys are so easily infuriated on this issue. :lol

[RandomGuy]

Nobody claims there aren't. Newsflash...there are Dems who believe this too.

What you did was make several false claims, by proxy, then backpeddle furiously when you got called on it. It's ok. I realize you're wrong even if you can't.

Cutting through all of this:

More and more people, especially the people who get the majority of their information from heavily slanted conservative sources, are buying into the provably false "Obama is a muslim" idea.

http://people-press.org/report/645/ that you posted shows that this idea, being heavily pushed by genuine nutters, shows how readily predisposed the average Republican is to believing this type of conspiracy theory.

The fact that no small percentage of them think that supporting the right to build a mosque whereever they want to is interpreted as "putting the intrests of muslims" ahead of everybody else, is just as disturbing, and indicative to me of an overly-simplistic mindset, regardless of whether it is a majority or not.

The subtlety of supporting the rights of a religious minority on principle, in order to protect all religions is not present in a lot of "conservative" thinkers minds, as can so easily be seen here.

muslim=bad
rights for muslims=bad

Is not too far off of the way a lot of Republicans think, and in larger proportions than any conservative poster on this message board would admit to. Hell, there are some who post here who actively believe this bullshit.

corporations=bad
Is just as dogmatically illogical for the left and a lot of Democrats

Does anyone really doubt that?

Do we need a poll to tell us that the right's emotional propaganda and constant reinforcement of subtle and no-so sublte falsehoods is going to have an effect?

[RandomGuy]

You guys are so easily infuriated on this issue. :lol

You guys are so easily mislead on so many issues. :lol

[DarrinS]

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1701/poll-obama-muslim-christian-church-out-of-politics-political-leaders-religious




The view that Obama is a Muslim is more widespread among his political opponents than among his backers. Roughly a third of conservative Republicans (34%) say Obama is a Muslim, as do 30% of those who disapprove of Obama's job performance. But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009.



:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You guys are so easily infuriated on this issue. :lolYou are so easily stupid and Islamophobic on this issue. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Cutting through all of this:

More and more people, especially the people who get the majority of their information from heavily slanted conservative sources, are buying into the provably false "Obama is a muslim" idea.

http://people-press.org/report/645/ that you posted shows that this idea, being heavily pushed by genuine nutters, shows how readily predisposed the average Republican is to believing this type of conspiracy theory.

The fact that no small percentage of them think that supporting the right to build a mosque whereever they want to is interpreted as "putting the intrests of muslims" ahead of everybody else, is just as disturbing, and indicative to me of an overly-simplistic mindset, regardless of whether it is a majority or not.

The subtlety of supporting the rights of a religious minority on principle, in order to protect all religions is not present in a lot of "conservative" thinkers minds, as can so easily be seen here.

muslim=bad
rights for muslims=bad

Is not too far off of the way a lot of Republicans think, and in larger proportions than any conservative poster on this message board would admit to. Hell, there are some who post here who actively believe this bullshit.

corporations=bad
Is just as dogmatically illogical for the left and a lot of Democrats

Does anyone really doubt that?

Do we need a poll to tell us that the right's emotional propaganda and constant reinforcement of subtle and no-so sublte falsehoods is going to have an effect?

I would agree with the bulk of this. However, I was responding to the use of misconstrued conclusions to support a predetermined outcome. You of all people recognize the validity of the old saw "You don't know what you don't know".
It was obvious that boutons had not looked at a scrap of the underlying data. It's just as disturbing that Huffpo chose to adapt the Fox News model of information dissemination.

[RandomGuy]

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1701/poll-obama-muslim-christian-church-out-of-politics-political-leaders-religious



:lmao

Indeed. Speaks more strongly to the effectiveness of the propaganda. There are some fairly conservative Democrats to be sure, and they get a good chunk of their news out of the same sewer as you do.

[LnGrrrR]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a Muslim, so why does the left act like this is an insult of the highest magnitude?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jvX5O8q3Rb_5xM:http://www.dohomerepair.com/barack-obama-muslim/images/obama-muslim.jpg&t=1

A word by itself is relatively useless without context. Otherwise, there wouldn't be many successful satirists. Or did you think that Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" was actually calling for the eating of babies?

The word Muslims can certainly be used as an epithet, just like the word "woman" is used as an epithet in a statement like this: "What does she know about cars, she's a woman!"

Logically, being a woman obviously says nothing about whether she knows about cars or not; socially, it uses the implication that women don't know alot about cars.

Obviously the same occurs when people feel the need to spell out Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Did the same people feel the need to say George WALKER Bush? Of course not; so there's some reason for it. I'm pretty sure it's not just because they like the way the name sounds.

[LnGrrrR]

You guys are so easily infuriated on this issue. :lol

The "you being wrong and not admitting it" issue, or the "you always having to rely on strawmen" issue?

[LnGrrrR]

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1701/poll-obama-muslim-christian-church-out-of-politics-political-leaders-religious
:lmao

Wow! Call the press, quick! DarrinS has proved that there are alot of idiots in America, and he's one of them!

[Spurminator]

Let's not forget that, because Democrats are less likely to call themselves Christian than Republicans are, they would be less likely to see a lack of Christian faith by a President as a bad thing.

I know, like, WHOA!

[Wild Cobra]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a Muslim, so why does the left act like this is an insult of the highest magnitude?

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:jvX5O8q3Rb_5xM:http://www.dohomerepair.com/barack-obama-muslim/images/obama-muslim.jpg&t=1
Because they hate, but are too politically correct to admit it???

[Wild Cobra]

btw, snopes called. They say you've lost your mind.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslimfaith.asp
Except Obama went with the correction (to lie) rather than correcting him.

[LnGrrrR]

Except Obama went with the correction (to lie) rather than correcting him.

I didn't know you've recently developed psychic powers. When did this occur, exactly?

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't know you've recently developed psychic powers. When did this occur, exactly?
Did you listen to the video?

Obama said "Muslim faith" the Stepanopolis corrected him to "Christian" and Obama went with it. If it was a reference to Obama saying McCain didn't make anything of the spin, of him being Muslim, why go along with the "Christian" if he was saying McCain didn't make anything of the Muslim angle?

This does not make sense except to say Obama was referring to his actual faith, then realized in the correction, he needed to lie. If you have a different take, please explain.

[ChumpDumper]

Did you listen to the video?

Obama said "Muslim faith" the Stepanopolis corrected him to "Christian" and Obama went with it. If it was a reference to Obama saying McCain didn't make anything of the spin, of him being Muslim, why go along with the "Christian" if he was saying McCain didn't make anything of the Muslim angle?

This does not make sense except to say Obama was referring to his actual faith, then realized in the correction, he needed to lie. If you have a different take, please explain.Yeah, my take is your an idiot.

Put "muslim faith" in quotes (just like I did here) in the transcript and maybe you'll understand.

But you won't, because you are just that stupid.

[LnGrrrR]

Did you listen to the video?

Obama said "Muslim faith" the Stepanopolis corrected him to "Christian" and Obama went with it. If it was a reference to Obama saying McCain didn't make anything of the spin, of him being Muslim, why go along with the "Christian" if he was saying McCain didn't make anything of the Muslim angle?

This does not make sense except to say Obama was referring to his actual faith, then realized in the correction, he needed to lie. If you have a different take, please explain.

He was talking about how some in the Republican camp were talking about him having a Muslim faith, but McCain didn't do that. He says, "You're absolutely right that McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith" because he meant that McCain hadn't claimed that Obama is of Muslim faith. Then, just to make sure because there are people that will twist anything he says, he specifically restates his answer later.

The only reason he said, "My Christian faith" is because he realized he worded the Muslim faith thing awkwardly, and should have said that McCain hadn't claimed he was Muslim.

Honestly WC, do you really think he's a closet Muslim?

[Wild Cobra]

Honestly WC, do you really think he's a closet Muslim?
I don't know what to think. The automatic response would have been to clarify that the topic was people assuming he was Muslim, and that's why he said Muslim instead of Christian. Him agreeing with the correction doesn't add up.

[ChumpDumper]

I don't know what to think. The automatic response would have been to clarify that the topic was people assuming he was Muslim, and that's why he said Muslim instead of Christian. Him agreeing with the correction doesn't add up.Got damn you are stupid.

[Blake]

I don't know what to think. The automatic response would have been to clarify that the topic was people assuming he was Muslim, and that's why he said Muslim instead of Christian. Him agreeing with the correction doesn't add up.

And if he is Muslim? Is that a dilemma for you?

I know if DarrinS ever got on board Air Force One, he would watch Obama like a hawk.

[Wild Cobra]

And if he is Muslim? Is that a dilemma for you?
Only that he would lie about it if that the case.

[Spurminator]

Well, I'd be pretty pissed if he lied about being a time traveler from the distant future but I'm not going to spend a lot of time wondering about whether he is one or not.



(Galileo might.)

[ChumpDumper]

Only that he would lie about it if that the case.Why is he eating pork and drinking beer?

[Spurminator]

Why is he eating pork and drinking beer?

How do we know it's real pork? Maybe the beer was Odouls.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't know what to think. The automatic response would have been to clarify that the topic was people assuming he was Muslim, and that's why he said Muslim instead of Christian. Him agreeing with the correction doesn't add up.

But he DID automatically clarify. Look at what he said directly after his momentary confusion.

"My Christian faith... well, what I'm saying is..."

"... that he hasn't suggested I'm a Muslim, and I think that his upper echelon campaign managers haven't either. What I think is fair to say is that coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that I am what I say I am when it comes to my faith, something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a long time."

How much more clearly can he put it? He DOES clarify, saying he thinks John McCain hasn't called him a Muslim, but others in the Republican camp have tried to paint him as one.

[Winehole23]

Let's not forget that, because Democrats are less likely to call themselves Christian than Republicans are, they would be less likely to see a lack of Christian faith by a President as a bad thing.

I know, like, WHOA!To be completely clear, there exist traditionally reverent people who see the value of secular government, too.

[Winehole23]

Why is he eating pork and drinking beer?Perhaps Rahm assured him it was halal.

[RandomGuy]

It's just as disturbing that Huffpo chose to adapt the Fox News model of information dissemination.

Agreed.

Liberals are usually better at not going that route, IMO.

On the other hand, perhaps it is time to counter the landslide of bullshit being thrust on people by Fox et al. with (gasp) an opposing viewpoint.

[TeyshaBlue]

Agreed.

Liberals are usually better at not going that route, IMO.

On the other hand, perhaps it is time to counter the landslide of bullshit being thrust on people by Fox et al. with (gasp) an opposing viewpoint.

Intellectual dishonesty is still intellectual dishonesty. I was unaware there was an acceptable rationale or threshold for it.

[LnGrrrR]

Intellectual dishonesty is still intellectual dishonesty. I was unaware there was an acceptable rationale or threshold for it.

Well, if you're of the opinion that most Americans are idiots, and only listen to the facts that confirm their own bias (instead of using their reasoning), then you might think it acceptable to "massage" their opinion to the proper one in order to accomplish (what you think) are necessary policies that need to be enacted.

[DarrinS]

Fuel for the fire...


Obama is Not a Muslim


http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2010/09/01/obama_is_not_a_muslim/page/full/






The nonsense about President Obama being a Muslim has got to stop. I rise to defend him from this absurd accusation by pointing out that he is obviously an atheist.

Leave aside Obama's fanatical opposition to allowing Illinois hospitals to save the lives of babies with God-given souls inadvertently born alive during abortions. Also leave aside the fact that neither of his parents were Christians. And leave aside his current crop of "spiritual advisers," which is a collection of Mother Earth worshippers, polytheists and other nonbelievers.

Now rest from all that "leaving aside."

The only evidence for Obama's Christianity is that he faithfully attended the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years.

Yes, the guy bellowing "God damn America!" is the one vouching for Obama's Christianity. That's like saying you got sober with the help of your A.A. sponsor Lindsay Lohan. :lmao

It is a fact that any non-retarded person (thank you, Rahm Emanuel!) sitting in the Rev. Wright's church for 20 minutes, much less 20 years, does not believe in God. Even stepping inside Wright's church for a moment to get out of the rain is borderline racist.

Going to Trinity United Church of Christ is even stronger evidence of nonbelief than Bill Clinton returning from Sunday services to receive oral sex from Monica Lewinsky. This isn't mere sin -- everybody sins (though some with more frequency and less remorse than others).

Attending Wright's church is the conscious, calculated decision to immerse yourself in hate-filled demagoguery and call it "Christianity."

But according to North Korean TV's Chris Matthews, :lmao it is a provable, scientific fact that Obama is a Christian because he says so. "Everybody watching right now," Matthews said to his several viewers last week, "gets credit for being of the religion you say you are. ... We accept that in America. It's called freedom of religion and respect for religion."

That would make professions of religious belief, unlike all other self-professions, unchallengeable. Liberals say conservatives don't believe in civil rights. I say liberals are godless traitors. Why is one statement debatable and the other not?

Doesn't anyone question the Christianity of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker? How about the Satanists claiming to be Christians who stand outside soldiers' funerals with signs that say "God Hates Fags"?

And, for the record, the allegedly inviolate assertion of one's own religious belief wasn't so inviolate when it came to Ronald Reagan.

Tip O'Neill used to question President Reagan's Christianity all the time, taunting the president for not attending church regularly. Matthews might remember that: He was working for O'Neill at the time.

In fact, parading to church in front of the TV cameras carrying a 10-pound Bible -- like a certain serial adulterer, impeached president I could name -- is strongly discouraged by the creator of the universe. ("Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven." Matthew 6.1)

Some conservatives have cited Obama's near complete refusal to go to church to suggest he's not the "devout Christian" who "prays every day" as the White House claims.

But that's not your proof, Christians. To the contrary, it's Obama's church attendance -- back in Chicago -- that proves he's an atheist.

This was inadvertently admitted by Obama's leading butt-boy, Richard Wolffe, on North Korean TV Monday night. :lmao Wolffe acknowledged that Wright's liberation theology was not Christianity, but then forcefully distinguished Obama from the Rev. Wright –- i.e., Obama's sole character witness for his alleged Christianity.

Of Glenn Beck's denunciation of liberation theology as a false religion, Wolffe said: "Is he debating Jeremiah Wright or Barack Obama? They're two different people. If he wants to debate liberation theology with Wright, he's got something to talk about. But liberation theology hasn't been anything espoused by this president."

But it was espoused in the only church Obama ever attended regularly -- for 20 years, no less -- was married in and had his daughters baptized in. The title of Obama's autobiography came from the title of one of Wright's sermons and snippets from Wright's sermons have appeared in Obama's work.

So the sole evidence of Obama's supposed Christianity is his longtime pastor, who everyone admits is a racist nut.

No sentient human is required to take Obama's profession of Christianity any more seriously than if it were coming from a 1980s blow-dried, money-grubbing televangelist with a mistress on the side.

All liberals are atheists. Only the ones who have to stand for election even bother pretending to believe in God.

Not being acquainted with any actual Christians, they aren't particularly good bluffers. That's why Democrats babble incoherently whenever the subject of religion comes up. Liberals acting devout always looks like the love scenes between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis in "Top Gun": awkward and unconvincing. :lmao

Former divinity student Al Gore famously botched a biblical verse, switching God's instruction that we put heaven before earthly things ("For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also," Matthew 6:21) by saying we should make the Earth our treasure. (In the druidical religion of liberalism, not separating your recyclables is a sin, but abortion is just a medical procedure.)

Howard Dean told a reporter his favorite book of the New Testament was Job.

It took the Democrats' born-again Christian Jimmy Carter three decades to announce, in 2005, that he didn't think Jesus would approve of abortion ("unless the mother's life or health was in danger or perhaps the pregnancy was caused by rape or incest," etc. etc.).

There's only one true Christian liberal in the country and that's Mike Huckabee.

[LnGrrrR]

As I said before, unless you're praying loudly and often in public, then you're not a Christian, right?

And the guy bellowing "Got Damn America" was doing it in a uniquely Christian way, by pointing out that it's not very Christian to start wars with other countries. It's the one thing he somewhat got right, that many "Christians" today don't. (Anyone who follows the Jesus = Warrior thing has serious issues.)

I'd ask "What's so wrong with not believing in God?", but since there is, I think, a total of ONE proclaimed atheist in all of Congress, it's certainly not that hard to figure out that there are more non-religious types. (Atheists make up around 6-8% of the American population last I checked.)

[ChumpDumper]

Fuel for the fire...What fire?

Anyone who takes that Coulter dude seriously and takes the time to bold statements like "butt-boy" has a different kind of fire burning down below.

[TeyshaBlue]

Well, if you're of the opinion that most Americans are idiots, and only listen to the facts that confirm their own bias (instead of using their reasoning), then you might think it acceptable to "massage" their opinion to the proper one in order to accomplish (what you think) are necessary policies that need to be enacted.

Well, I haven't gone completely down that path...yet. My cynicism waxes more than it wanes these days tho.:depressed

[AFBlue]

Well, if you're of the opinion that most Americans are idiots, and only listen to the facts that confirm their own bias (instead of using their reasoning), then you might think it acceptable to "massage" their opinion to the proper one in order to accomplish (what you think) are necessary policies that need to be enacted.

Everyone is guilty of looking at situations from their own viewpoint and then choosing the information with which to re-inforce it...building a box and then finding stuff to put in it. It's human nature, not something constrained to idiots or Americans.

[Winehole23]

It's human nature, not something constrained to idiots or Americans.Certainly not but that doesn't excuse it (from the standpoint of rationality.)

Quite the contrary, it implies it.

[boutons_deux]

"total of ONE proclaimed atheist in all of Congress"

because Americans apply an unconstitutional "religious test" to hold office. If you're not a Christian, you're out. If you're a Jew, you better run where there are lots of Jewish voters. Else, don't bother, you've failed the "religious test".

[Winehole23]

Piffle.