Patriots vs. Jets game thread

[Dave Mustaine]

:lol scoffing at Cassell going 11-5. How often does 11-5 get you to the playoffs vs not getting to the playoffs?

:cry great fuckin system quarterbacks in NE :cry

Texas Tech of the NFL tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Welker was awfully good that year, was he not? His history at that point has nothing to do with what he produced that year.
He sucked before Brady, as in Brady made him relevant. He was a scrub prior to 2007.




Instead, the Pats had a defense that was able to help them have better field position. I think that takes a lot of pressure off the offense as well.
Yeah the 2007 Patriot defense was something special.






So in other words, you think Bill sucks as a coach? Because that is basically what you are saying here, that Brady entirely made Belichick.
I'm saying that for all the talk of Belichick's great system, it's odd that Brady is the only one who's been successful with it.





I'm not tearing Brady down at all. I'm saying that he benefitted from a good system and good playcalling
So did Manning. Dungy and Tom Moore aren't exactly bums.


Imuch like Manning benefitted from good weapons. Good coaching can make mediocre weapons appear solid, and vice versa, good weapons, can make mediocre coaching appear solid. Both guys had their share of benefits on the offensive end.
Yeah Bill Belichick's awesome coaching made the Cleveland Brown's a great team in the early 1990's.


IIf you actually read what I say, I have said for a while now, that Brady is the second best QB of all time, only behind Peyton.
I'm surprised given how Bill Belichick's system could make a retarded monkey look like Joe Montana.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lol scoffing at Cassell going 11-5. How often does 11-5 get you to the playoffs vs not getting to the playoffs?

:cry great fuckin system quarterbacks in NE :cry

Texas Tech of the NFL tbh.
Given how much of a joke New England's 2008 schedule was anything worse than 11-5 woulda been pathetic.

The way you guys compliment how well your least favorite team is run just to tear Brady down is almost as sad as that one time gray named Spurfan talked about how high Dallas's payroll was and that Dirk is terrible for not being able to win a championship with such a high payroll.

[Dave Mustaine]

The difference is I haven't been serious at all with my last couple of posts.

lol defensive

[Blake]

Welker was awfully good that year, was he not? His history at that point has nothing to do with what he produced that year.



never said they werent comparable. although consider all aspects. welker is in a pass heavy offense with one of the greatest qbs ever. marshall, not so much. welker before going to the pats had quite mediocre stats

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

:lmao

[Blake]

:lol scoffing at Cassell going 11-5. How often does 11-5 get you to the playoffs vs not getting to the playoffs?

:cry great fuckin system quarterbacks in NE :cry

Texas Tech of the NFL tbh.

Harrell > Snead > Cassell

[stretch]

He sucked before Brady, as in Brady made him relevant. He was a scrub prior to 2007.

I agree, that the system and his surroundings made him a lot better than he really is. Just the way Harrison and Wayne and Garcon and Stokely look beastly with Peyton Manning throwing to them.


Yeah the 2007 Patriot defense was something special.

Better than the Colts defenses with the exception of the 2006 playoffs.


I'm saying that for all the talk of Belichick's great system, it's odd that Brady is the only one who's been successful with it.

Prove that Belichick used the same system with teams prior to the Pats.


So did Manning. Dungy and Tom Moore aren't exactly bums.

They aren't exactly Belichick either.


Yeah Bill Belichick's awesome coaching made the Cleveland Brown's a great team in the early 1990's.

Answer this. Is his system good? Or is it entirely Brady?


I'm surprised given how Bill Belichick's system could make a retarded monkey look like Joe Montana.

lol replies like this is exactly why you are referred to as monos understudy

its also funny how you are taking everything as slights against Brady, and getting sarcastic in your replies, instead of presenting a logical argument and taking my comments for what they are (ex. me saying that Brady benefitted from Belichick having a good system, results in you sarcastically saying that I think retarded monkeys could look like Joe Montana in his system). once again, very similar to mono.

[stretch]

talking about Welker being a legit offensive weapon, and comparing him to Brandon Marshall's production are two completely different things.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I agree, that the system and his surroundings made him a lot better than he really is. Just the way Harrison and Wayne and Garcon and Stokely look beastly with Peyton Manning throwing to them.
Oh OK now it's "the system". I wish I played for the 1992 Browns, I could be a 1,000 yard receiver.




Better than the Colts defenses with the exception of the 2006 playoffs.
Not really. That defense had some terrible players playing major roles.



Prove that Belichick used the same system with teams prior to the Pats.
Idk why Belichick would use any system other than the system you've been raving about for a page. How good would the Browns have been if Belichick used this "system".




They aren't exactly Belichick either.
Compare Dungy's career without Manning and Belichick's career without Brady.




Answer this. Is his system good? Or is it entirely Brady?
His system is good, but it's not on some elite lone tier by itself that makes a QB look massively better than he is.




lol replies like this is exactly why you are referred to as monos understudy
mono and I aren't the only two people who use sarcasm to scoff retarded arguments.


its also funny how you are taking everything as slights against Brady, and getting sarcastic in your replies, instead of presenting a logical argument and taking my comments for what they are (ex. me saying that Brady benefitted from Belichick having a good system, results in you sarcastically saying that I think retarded monkeys could look like Joe Montana in his system). once again, very similar to mono.
You're trying to argue Manning is better than Brady, so the only reason you bring up Bill Belichick's system would be to try and slight Brady. I have a hard time believing you brought it up just because you wanted to compliment Belichick.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

talking about Welker being a legit offensive weapon
He isn't. Any good defensive team finds ways to shut him down. I'm actually beginning to hate Welker because the love he gets is ridiculous.

[badfish22]

Matt Cassel looked pretty decent with the great fuckin perfect gameplanning and playcalling.

Consecutive 400 yard games tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

stretch, how many superbowls would a Manning Belichick duo have won? Could they have run off a decade straight as superbowl champions?

[stretch]

You're trying to argue Manning is better than Brady, so the only reason you bring up Bill Belichick's system would be to try and slight Brady. I have a hard time believing you brought it up just because you wanted to compliment Belichick.

1. this isnt the only argument I brought up. you just turned into a poon and got mad that i pointed out that belichick is a good coach who implemented a good system in New England.

2. it's not to slight Brady at all. again, I said that it benefitted him to help him succeed, the way having weapons benefitted Manning to help him succeed. if my intent was to slight Brady, I would make fun of his faggy ass haircut. but thats not my intent, and honestly, while I used to despise Brady, I have grown into a big fan of his over the past few years, and while I'm not a Pats fan at all, I do like seeing Brady succeed. He's a hell of a QB, and I'm not one to hate on someone simply because they are good.

[stretch]

He isn't. Any good defensive team finds ways to shut him down. I'm actually beginning to hate Welker because the love he gets is ridiculous.

I agree he gets too much love, and I think his tricks only work in the slot. But you cant really ask for a better slot receiver in the league, and thats what makes him a weapon.

[stretch]

stretch, how many superbowls would a Manning Belichick duo have won? Could they have run off a decade straight as superbowl champions?

2 decades

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I agree he gets too much love, and I think his tricks only work in the slot. But you cant really ask for a better slot receiver in the league, and thats what makes him a weapon.
Put Anquan Boldin in Welker's position it's scary to think of what he does.

[badfish22]

If Matt Cassel can put up consecutive 400 yd games, Manning might do it for a couple seasons straight.

[stretch]

stretch, how many superbowls would a Manning Belichick duo have won? Could they have run off a decade straight as superbowl champions?

in all seriousness, I think they would have won more than Bill and Brady did

there is nothing that Brady does, that Manning can't do

but there are things Manning does, that Brady hasn't proven he can do, such as consistently complete the tough passes Manning does, run the offense and call plays on his own, and he is physically inferior to Manning as well.

[stretch]

Put Anquan Boldin in Welker's position it's scary to think of what he does.

I agree, but Boldin is a #1 type of receiver. Welker is more of a #2 or #3. For a #3 receiver, you can't really ask for better than Welker.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

1. this isnt the only argument I brought up. you just turned into a poon and got mad that i pointed out that belichick is a good coach who implemented a good system in New England.
Well in that case I'll make a Bill Belichick appreciation thread.


2. it's not to slight Brady at all. again, I said that it benefitted him to help him succeed, the way having weapons benefitted Manning to help him succeed. if my intent was to slight Brady, I would make fun of his faggy ass haircut. but thats not my intent, and honestly, while I used to despise Brady, I have grown into a big fan of his over the past few years, and while I'm not a Pats fan at all, I do like seeing Brady succeed. He's a hell of a QB, and I'm not one to hate on someone simply because they are good.
The weapons around Manning helped Manning put up gaudy MVP stats. Belichick's system helped Brady succeed but it did nothing to help Brady win MVPs because it's not a system that lends itself to a QB putting up great numbers at all. It's a system that compliments a great defense and great kicker perfectly whereas it stays on the field, puts enough points on the boards, and limits turnovers. Once Brady was allowed to air it out because the defense sucked, he started putting up great numbers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

there is nothing that Brady does, that Manning can't do
Except for lead game winning drives in the superbowl.

[BUMP]

>my face when dirk4mvp made a TT reference

http://www.giddydanes.com/images/GiddyFace_July2003.JPG

[stretch]

The weapons around Manning helped Manning put up gaudy MVP stats. Belichick's system helped Brady succeed but it did nothing to help Brady win MVPs because it's not a system that lends itself to a QB putting up great numbers at all. It's a system that compliments a great defense and great kicker perfectly whereas it stays on the field, puts enough points on the boards, and limits turnovers. Once Brady was allowed to air it out because the defense sucked, he started putting up great numbers.

awesome, you actually debated by use of reasoning and logic.

I agree with this all as well, although even when Brady got his chance to air it out, only once has he really put up Manning-esqe numbers, and still wasn't able to do it as efficiently as Manning did the year he went ballistic.

And basically this entire discussion we have had, is why it boils down to me choosing Manning over Brady, basically over intangibles, such as Manning being superior physically, being a more precise passer, and seeming to have a higher football IQ as evidenced by his ability to run the offense and call plays now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

awesome, you actually debated by use of reasoning and logic.

I agree with this all as well, although even when Brady got his chance to air it out, only once has he really put up Manning-esqe numbers, and still wasn't able to do it as efficiently as Manning did the year he went ballistic.

Post-2007 Brady is a worse QB than Manning, I'm not debating that.

He had a higher completion % than Manning's best year, less interceptions, and his team averaged more PPG.

[stretch]

He had a higher completion % than Manning's best year, less interceptions, and his team averaged more PPG.

marginally better in those areas, yet was still less efficient overall, as evidenced by having considerably more pass attempts, and a lower QB rating. not to mention having arguably the deadliest reciever in NFL history, in Randy Moss.

to me, these stats comparing their best seasons, mainly show that Manning is a riskier passer, which fits into my point that he is superior at completing tough passes. When things seem pretty decently covered, Manning tends to try to fit passes into tight windows downfield, while Brady tends to check down if nothing is wide open.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

to me, these stats comparing their best seasons, mainly show that Manning is a riskier passer, which fits into my point that he is superior at completing tough passes. When things seem pretty decently covered, Manning tends to try to fit passes into tight windows downfield, while Brady tends to check down if nothing is wide open.
And that probably has to do with why Manning has untimely interceptions in the playoffs when he's playing defenses that capitalize on risky passes.

[stretch]

And that probably has to do with why Manning has untimely interceptions in the playoffs when he's playing defenses that capitalize on risky passes.

its not that risky of a pass if Wayne ran his route correctly. a curl route is far different than fitting a pass to a guy on a seam route 20 yards downfield, splitting 2 or 3 defenders. receivers are always taught to come to the ball, and shield defenders off on curl routes. thats football basics at its finest. wayne did neither of those things.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I wasn't only talking about that game, actually I wasn't at all since that wasn't a risky throw. That's one of many untimely interceptions Manning has thrown in the playoffs.

[stretch]

I wasn't only talking about that game, actually I wasn't at all since that wasn't a risky throw. That's one of many untimely interceptions Manning has thrown in the playoffs.

and that is something that he has clearly learned from, after his earlier years. he does tend to take less risks than he used to.

[lefty]

Pats are not winning the SB this year


(Reverse jinx !)

[Blake]

THANK YOU.

I knew he was an overrated player since I saw his true form in Miami. So fucking overrated.


Despite being undrafted, Welker has had a successful career to date. Only one player in NFL history, Gale Sayers, had more all-purpose yards in his first three NFL seasons than Welker did with the Dolphins; Welker holds the Dolphins' all-time records for total kickoff returns, kickoff return yardage, and total punt returns....

2006 season
After rumors that he would be cut during the preseason, Welker started off being the lone bright-spot of the struggling Miami Dolphins offense. Through five games, he netted a team-high 29 catches and team-high 299 yards. On October 8, he was a huge target for back-up quarterback Joey Harrington, recording a then-career high nine catches for 77 yards in a 20-10 loss to the New England Patriots. On the season, Welker had a team-best 67 receptions for 687 yards and one score. He returned 48 kickoffs for 1,048 yards (22.2 average) and 41 punts for 378 yards (9.2 average).

Ultimately, however, the Patriots decided not to use such an offer, and traded the Dolphins their 2007 second- and seventh-round draft picks for Welker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Welker




The failure at trying to dog Welker just to prove your stupid point is hilarious. :lol

[Blake]

I have watched every single Dolphins game since 2005. Including all of Welkers game. He had 1 TOUCHDOWN for all those catches. He is so overrated its not even funny.

he was undrafted, is the only receiver to have 110+ catches three years in a row (or in any 3 years), blows everyone out of the water in YAC but he is so overrated it's not funny.

your logic and your posts blow.

:td

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

he was undrafted, is the only receiver to have 110+ catches three years in a row (or in any 3 years), blows everyone out of the water in YAC but he is so overrated it's not funny.

your logic and your posts blow.

:td
He's done the same thing Troy Brown did in New England.

[Blake]

He's done the same thing Troy Brown did in New England.

:lol

seriously, wide receiver is the most overrated position in football. A guy like Brandon Marshall should not be raping the Dolphins for $10 milly a year.

The Ravens, Pats, Giants, Saints and Bucs all won SBs with average wide or no name wide receivers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

RB is def. most overrated. Not even a close call. It's obvious by how stupid it is to use a 1st rounder on a RB.

[Blake]

I dont know about most overrated position. I think that goes to RB.


RB is def. most overrated. Not even a close call. It's obvious by how stupid it is to use a 1st rounder on a RB.

RBs are overrated because a good line will make RBs interchangable, but I don't think so.

On a good day, RBs touch the ball 25 times a game running and receiving.

On a good day, WRs touch the ball 10 times a game receiving.

It's even worse to spend a 1st rounder on a WR

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

RBs are overrated because a good line will make RBs interchangable, but I don't think so.

On a good day, RBs touch the ball 25 times a game running and receiving.

On a good day, WRs touch the ball 10 times a game receiving.

It's even worse to spend a 1st rounder on a WR
Left tackle doesn't touch the ball at all and its way more important than either one. You said it already, RBs are interchangeable.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Idk why that was in response to my post. WRs > RBs, especially in today's pass happy NFL. Of the teams Blake listed -

Bucs - Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell were not "average". Keyshawn was a legit #1 receiver and McCardell was a solid #2. Joe Jurevious was also a great white slot receiver with size.

Saints - not average receivers at all. Outside of the one season he was injured, Colston has had 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs every year. Meachem, Henderson, Moore, Shockey and Patten aren't great but they collectively give NO a great way to spread the field out.

Giants - Toomer and Burress are not average. Toomer was always a great go to option on 3rd downs and Burress back then was still a top 15 receiver.

[Blake]

You need quality wideouts to be able to run.

No you don't.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Sure, you do.

Didn't you see teams fear David Clowney and Jerrico Cotchery early last year?

No?

Britt and Washington?

No?

Mason and Clayton?

[LnGrrrR]

Gotta say, glad Maroney's gone. Completely agree with Mono; wished we'd traded him a year or two when he still had value. Ah well.

I personally like Sammy Morris. Hard runner, reminds me of Antowain Smith. I wouldn't mind another Antowain Smith work-horse back, actually.

[LnGrrrR]

Also, I'm devastated that our third-down machine, Kevin Faulk, went down.

Question: Did we start to suck in the Jets game as soon as he went out?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The wideout-running game theory is also why teams like Indy, AZ, Houston and SD did so well running the ball last year.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't disagree entirely, although in the time that Brady has had Moss and Welker, he still hasn't really been able to produce monster MVP level stats on a consistent basis, the way Manning has. He had that one year, where he had 1 more TD, and a little more yardage than Mannings best year, but had to throw nearly 100 more passes than Manning in order to do that.


Uhm... wasn't that "one year" the first year with Moss and Welker? And then the second year he got his knee destroyed by Bernard Pollard (or whatever his name was)? And last year he wasn't too shabby as he came back.

I wouldn't say that he can't produce monster MVP stats on a consistent basis QUITE yet. Let's see what he does this year.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh, and can we all agree we're blessed to have this awesome Brady/Manning debate? Two all-time great QBs, in a rivalry where they meet at least once annually, and it almost always has playoff implications. Pretty lucky, especially if you're a fan of one of the two teams.

[Blake]

Bucs - Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell were not "average". Keyshawn was a legit #1 receiver and McCardell was a solid #2. Joe Jurevious was also a great white slot receiver with size.

Neither of those two made the pro bowl that year.


Meachem, Henderson, Moore, Shockey and Patten aren't great

exactly.


Giants - Toomer and Burress are not average. Toomer was always a great go to option on 3rd downs and Burress back then was still a top 15 receiver.

Burress was a top 15 receiver? In a 32 team league?

do you know what average means?


Idk why that was in response to my post. WRs > RBs, especially in today's pass happy NFL.

WRs never win NFL regular season MVP awards

/end

[Blake]

Sure, you do.

Didn't you see teams fear David Clowney and Jerrico Cotchery early last year?

No?

Britt and Washington?

No?

Mason and Clayton?

good points.

[Blake]

Uhm... wasn't that "one year" the first year with Moss and Welker? And then the second year he got his knee destroyed by Bernard Pollard (or whatever his name was)? And last year he wasn't too shabby as he came back.

I wouldn't say that he can't produce monster MVP stats on a consistent basis QUITE yet. Let's see what he does this year.

yes, but that won't stop stretch from skewing the truth to help himself believe he is a regulator.

[Blake]

The wideout-running game theory is also why teams like Indy, AZ, Houston and SD did so well running the ball last year.


Yeah, exactly. I'm sure Olandis Gary was a quality RB when he rushed for over 1,000 yards. RB is so overrated. Arian fucking Foster is dominating the NFL. I wonder why. It has nothing to do with the fact that Andre Johnson has rolled coverage to his side almost every play and they can't stack the box or add men near the LOS because Johnson will annihilate them.

:lmao

[Dave Mustaine]

Sure, you do.

Didn't you see teams fear David Clowney and Jerrico Cotchery early last year?

No?

Britt and Washington?

No?

Mason and Clayton?



The wideout-running game theory is also why teams like Indy, AZ, Houston and SD did so well running the ball last year.


DLF, with the goods.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

DLF's ability to bully niggas is underrated. He must be a really nice guy tbh, because when he wants to he owns the shit outa people.

[Dave Mustaine]

agree, imo. The ambchang of the NFL forum, with even more bully these niggas abilities.

lol neutering charger fan's tall wr theory

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

He had 1 TOUCHDOWN for all those catches.

Good point that I missed earlier.

You aren't considered an elite slot WR until you get to 3 TDs.

At least not in my book.

[monosylab1k]

Good point that I missed earlier.

You aren't considered an elite slot WR until you get to 3 TDs.

At least not in my book.

:lmao

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'm guessing that having Joey Harrington, Gus Frerotte, post-injury Daunte and Cleo Lemon as his QBs had more to do with Welker's production in Miami than letters in the alphabet.

[IronMexican]

Hah, DLF posts on Footballsfuture.com

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I do as of last week.

That site is no fun. I've already been warned.

Here's a game:

WR Targets:

159
76
47

Catch %

57%
48%
42%

One of these guys blew in 2005. Can you guess which one it is?

[IronMexican]

Yeah, it's like the complete opposite of this site. But it's good when you want to read football.

[Blake]

or the fact that Gus Frerotte got Chris Chambers to his best season as a pro? Or the fact he led them to a winning record? Gus Frerotte gave Chambers 82 catches, 1,118 yards and 11 TDs. Welker blew that season. His only good season came the next year and it wasn't even that good. 67 catches and 1 TD, when all the coverage was going to Marty Booker and Chris Chambers. No one knew who the fuck Welker was and didn't gameplan for him until the end of the year, where he had 9 catches over the last 5 games.

Were your expectations for an undrafted 1st/2nd year wide receiver really that high?

You might have the worst football knowledge in the NFL forum.

[Blake]

I do as of last week.

That site is no fun. I've already been warned.

Here's a game:

WR Targets:

159
76
47

Catch %

57%
48%
42%

One of these guys blew in 2005. Can you guess which one it is?

If they didn't get 3 TDs each, then they all blew.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Also, since 67 catches and 1 TD is overrated and not that good, please explain why 76 catches and 2 TDs vaults you right behind the guy who you said wasn't that good when he did it.

Thanks in advance.

[Blake]

Also, since 67 catches and 1 TD is overrated and not that good, please explain why 76 catches and 2 TDs vaults you into top 3 at your role.

Thanks in advance.


2005-06 Miami 5.9 YAC

YAC blows.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Damn quotes.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

If they didn't get 3 TDs each, then they all blew.

Actually, it's 2.

Three is career total.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Before you answer with your X, Y, Z, Welker was running alone on all routes because teams were rolling coverage to Marty Booker, I'll just say this:

The Pats gave up a 2nd and a 7th to get him and immediately extended him the next day.

Was that move overrated?

As for 2005, he was the fourth option in the passing game and a 2nd year player learning the nuances of the pro game.

What exactly did you expect?

[Blake]

Uh, no? I had no expectations of him. Neither did the rest of the NFL.


But he still is overrated.

[Blake]

Also.

Julian Edelman was tearing it up when he was put in Welkers spot.

2009 27 rec 359 yds 9.7 YPC 4.5 YAC 1 TD

:lol

Edelman>Welker

[Blake]

Yes Blake. I had no expectations when he was a 2nd year WR on the Dolphins. But he has proven to be the best slot in his time in NE. But he still IS OVERRATED. People think he's one of the best ever and is a sure fire for the HOF.

if he stays healthy for a few more years, he is a HOF, idiot.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I doubt he gets into the HOF.

There are way too many HOF worthy WRs ahead of him on the outside looking in.

[Blake]

Last 2 games of 2009.

10 Catches for 103 yards.

Postseason:

6 catches, 2 TDs against BALT.

good three game sample. :tu

I can see how you think his greatness far exceeds what Welker did in Miami.

[Nate Dogg]

Balkman's argument bombed it's bout to explode
Now I'm switchin my mind back into freak mode
If you want skirts step back and observe
I just left a gang o those over they on the curb

[Blake]

I doubt he gets into the HOF.

There are way too many HOF worthy WRs ahead of him on the outside looking in.

If Welker stays healthy for a 15 year career, at his current pace of 76 receptions per year, he would currently finish 2nd all time. Even a 10 year career at that pace would put him in some pretty elite company.

I guess if guys like Cris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown are still waiting, Wes will too.

[Blake]

So your saying Welker is one of the best ever? Fuck this is exactly the bullshit I am talking about. Overrated due to the slot position being glorified in the NE system.

"If he stays healthy" yes.

It's not bullshit. You're just an idiot.


Maybe if you did anything with football or experienced it first hand at a high level, you would know something about it.

Blake's wisdom of words...


saying YPC > YAC

So apparently, Malcom Floyd, Mohamed Massaquoi, Patrick Crayton, Kenny Britt, Brian Hartline, Chris Chambers, and Hakeem Nicks are some of the best in the league?

Over Wes Welker, Miles Austin, Brandon Marshall, Andre Johnson, Greg Jennings, Hines Ward?

Saying either of those two things determines how good a player is just stupid.

You saying YAC > YPC means you love Welker, dumbfuck.


saying that playing opposite of someone means physically playing on the opposite side.

Trying to say because Clark plays the Y means that he does not play opposite of Wayne because he lines up on the same side.


Holy shit no one that actually knows about football would never say such things.

Holy shit I never said such a thing.

No one actually thinks you know much about football other than what size jock strap Henne is wearing.

[Blake]

So Welker will be one of the best ever if he plays for another 6-7 years?

Lol I dont even need to refute that nonsense.

Lol he easily be top ten in career receptions at the current pace

Lol nothing to refute

You said I stated:


saying that playing opposite of someone means physically playing on the opposite side.

Trying to say because Clark plays the Y means that he does not play opposite of Wayne because he lines up on the same side.

you confirmed I actually stated:


Who was Wayne's counterpart last year?


thanks for confirming that Clark does not always line up opposite of Wayne and that you are talking out of your ass.

You're apparently an illiterate dumbfuck.

The continual self pwnage is entertaining though. :tu

[Blake]

awesome display of Clark's route running during a pass play

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/83348549.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF8789215ABF3343C02EA548F8D38FE4B9270C76 2AF8BC9809B72450755989609F7AA930E30A760B0D811297

[The_BusDriver]

fans of northeastern NFL teams are funny.

[Blake]

Whats funny is the entire time we are talking about playing opposite the wideout and you said Clark does not play opposite because he does not line up opposite of Wayne.

Good job with that one. Word it differently however you would like, but it still comes out the same with your moronic statements, like Welker will be the best ever.

More reading comprehension failure.

Congrats on officially being dumber than 90210.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

If Welker stays healthy for a 15 year career, at his current pace of 76 receptions per year, he would currently finish 2nd all time. Even a 10 year career at that pace would put him in some pretty elite company.

I guess if guys like Cris Carter, Andre Reed and Tim Brown are still waiting, Wes will too.

We'll see.

We've seen quite a few dominant runs(4-5 years) over the last two decades by guys who don't have a shot IMO at making the HOF.

Herman Moore, Jimmy Smith, Issac Bruce, Torry Holt

The latter two have the better shot but they aren't anywhere near locks.

Then you have guys like TO and Ocho that will be in line behind Brown, Carter and possibly even Reed if voters ding for the circus atmosphere. And then guys like Ward and Carolina Smith who both have excellent resumes as well.

Plus, Welker will be looked at as a compiler, never the best at his position, etc.

It took Monk, who IIRC retired #1 in receptions at the time, forever to get in and the waiting line is only going to get longer for Welker.

[Blake]

We'll see.

We've seen quite a few dominant runs(4-5 years) over the last two decades by guys who don't have a shot IMO at making the HOF.

Herman Moore, Jimmy Smith, Issac Bruce, Torry Holt

The latter two have the better shot but they aren't anywhere near locks.

Then you have guys like TO and Ocho that will be in line behind Brown, Carter and possibly even Reed if voters ding for the circus atmosphere.

Plus, Welker will be looked at as a compiler, never the best at his position, etc.

It took Monk, who IIRC retired #1 in receptions at the time, forever to get in and the waiting line is only going to get longer for Welker.

all good points.

"although he might not get in, Wes will finish with HOF consideration worthy numbers."

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

My guess is he'll end up being lumped in with guys like Derrick Mason and Keenan McCardell; the Hall of Very Good.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

But he still is overrated. You put Percy Harvin, Mike Wallace, or Davone Bess in the offense with Brady and tell me if they don't have similar numbers.

When did these guys automatically become better players than Jason Avant and Steve Breaston?

Avant is one of the most underrated WRs in the game.

[Blake]

My guess is he'll end up being lumped in with guys like Derrick Mason and Keenan McCardell; the Hall of Very Good.

I say it depends on his health. I guess we'll have a better idea 5 years from now, but if he continues this pace, I'm not sure how he doesn't get consideration.

fwiw, this hall of fame selector has a welker crush:


NFL's toughest player? Easy. Wes Welker......

Six snaps that came, as the Boston Globe's Albert Breer notes, just seven months and 17 days after tearing the ACL and MCL in his left knee. And just six months and 18 days after surgery.

Oh yeah, Welker also had his rotator cuff surgically repaired as well.

Yet there he was last night in Atlanta, catching two passes over the middle, in traffic. One went six yards. The other went 14. There would have been a third reception, but Welker was blown up on a bubble screen when our guy Randy Moss whiffed while trying to block cornerback Christopher Owens.

Perhaps more amazing than Welker's performance last night is the fact that none of his teammates are surprised. The rest of us assumed Welker would miss the first six games on PUP. His teammates knew all along that Welker would get himself squared away in the offseason and be back sooner than later.


...."No disrespect to any other receiver in the NFL, but man, he's the truth," said Patriots' 13-year veteran running back Fred Taylor.

Meanwhile, in Minnesota, the Vikings still await the return of Sidney Rice and his hip from PUP.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/101163314.html